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#[Velvet] New Unit Megathread
charred needle
short marlin
So she steals ammo from enemy? How did that work against rapture? 
dense narwhal
50 hit in full burst?
Smells like manual malding
spiral moon
is that even achievable
short marlin
She swap weapon on burst
acoustic ledge
So she steals ammo from enemy? How did that work against rapture? <:dorocross:12...
She has a PSU that stores the rapture's energy so they can't fire, duh
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spiral moon
ah right
bitter glade
selfish dps b2 huh
short marlin
Probably changed to ar or smg
spiral moon
so it costs the support ability
bitter glade
she barely buff allies
bleak plover
warm palm
Can I bring the maid to my house?
warm palm
What the.....
wraith lance
How is she full charging if she changes to a non charge weapon
rain heart
I guess all of her shots are treated as full charge
it will explain why she needs to full charge 50 shots during FB
wraith lance
50 “normal attacks”
rain heart
her speed looks like MG no?
heady wigeon
heady wigeon
her speed looks like MG no?
It does
vapid ember
spiral moon
How is she full charging if she changes to a non charge weapon
off burst
short marlin
I think yeah, the change weapon treated as full charge
fast shell
Oh, her kit is out?
look who is here
wraith lance
She triggers her first 300 ammo spend at 1 second into burst (50 shots fired) which is too fast for smg so yeah, I’m saying mg rate
If all shots were treated as full charges this number would be going down faster. I’m with @spiral moon interpretation that full charge is off burst
rain heart
dunno if it forces 1 ammo sr/rl become 0
to force a reload
could be funny interaction in pee ve pee
fast shell
Weird kit, too tired to think it through
I see +100% charge damage for allies
Is it big on bScarlet?
short marlin
It didn't say max ammo, so i'm curious about that too
fast shell
Since bScarlet spams full charge attacks
wraith lance
Wouldn’t effect bscarlets skill damage enough to matter but Alice spam would
short marlin
It's only 3 second
fast shell
So Alice buff, but too many B2s and there's already Grave or bAde or mMast to go with Alice
And that's if Alice isn't benched
short marlin
I guess it's extra 2-3 shot dmg basically depend on how fast your quickshot is
fast shell
It's every Full Charge shot by Velvet during Full Burst
short marlin
Ah right, my bad
fast shell
She assuredly keeps it up, but there's still a problem
When she bursts, it seems she might swap to a non-charging weapon
heady wigeon
aka 50 shots
Tell me if she's good for sub DPS
Compare to MMast Vs velvet for wind
restive nebula
If she swaps to a non-charging weapon on burst, then how can she activate Full Charge during Full Burst?
Is that only for if another B2 is bursting?
fast shell
33.33 shots per sec?
Is she firing her sniper rifle like a SMG? 👀
rain heart
SMG is 21
probably MG in 30 FPS
her kit is too complicated, I understand no shit
also
fast shell
The writer of the burst skill failed us
If he had written better, we'd perfectly understand wtf is going on lol
restive nebula
She seems like an off-burster who buffs other charge units with +100% charge damage.
fast shell
Nothing was written about the new weapon's rate of fire or charge time
raw urchin
I DON'T WANNA PLAY WITH U ANYMORE DOROSI
raw urchin
Velvet muh new frend now 
rain heart
it makes Cinderella very fun
rain heart
because Cinderella auto attack is half of her dmg
with basic attack is 50% of that half
Auto attack: 32% with 200% Full charge (64%)
Bonus attack: 136%
oh but nvm, 100% charge dmg won't improve much, add 32% to auto attack will make her gain like 16% auto attack dmg
spiral moon
<:peepoBlushPoint:756057701091639336> look who is here
🥰
heady wigeon
oh but nvm, 100% charge dmg won't improve much, add 32% to auto attack will make...
Is she looking like a better DPS than say, Ssakura
fast shell
Is she looking like a better DPS than say, Ssakura
You mean for a team like Nayuta, bScarlet, Siren, Liberalio, Velvet?
Since Velvet never bursts, she's always buffing Liberalio, bScarlet, and Nayuta (she's using a sniper rifle during her burst) with +100% charge damage during Full Burst
(assuming that Velvet can't full charge during her own burst)
edgy sparrow
Yea someone need to sacrifice his rocks and build her 4 atk 4 ele and see in the full wind team better to use her or mmast lol 
fast shell
Crown offburst: Caster's ATK ▲ 64.51%, Reloading Speed ▲ 44.35%, Attack Damage ▲ 20.99%
mMast offburst: Critical Rate ▲ 20.05%, Caster's ATK ▲ 35.02%, Distributed Damage ▲ 15.03% * Drunken, Reloading Speed ▲ 15.04% * Drunken
mMast burst: (the above and...) Critical Damage ▲ 40.04%, Attack Damage ▲ 15.04%, Caster's ATK ▲ (20.06% * Drunken)
Velvet offburst: Caster's ATK ▲ 25.2%, Charge Damage ▲ 100.8%
It's easy enough to decide
First calculate how useful or worthless 100% charge damage is
random badger
Velvet looks...interesting from her skills alone.
edgy sparrow
First calculate how useful or worthless 100% charge damage is
Thats the only place I could think of since half of her buffing kits need offburst to work cause it need the SR full charge
Dunno where else we need offburst b2
glossy portal
I hope we get more "ammo pouch" units with the next event
Seems like a strange mechanic that she doesn't make full usage off by herself
potent estuary
She looks decent. Might be with Nayuta sbs libe
Since all 3 have charge dmg
She can spam quickshots to charge burst but have MG dps when bursting
silk garden
Her ammo pouch seems to be permanent (refreshes every time b2 is used regardless if it’s her). She can never burst and just provide the buffs from full charge attacks. Seems like a big buffer to characters like
Alice
Red hood
Sbs
Maybe milk?
Who have spammable charge shots
potent estuary
Milk should be great since majority of dps comes from her normal attackz
Same for Alice RH
sturdy trout
attack share and charge damage will surely help bmilk's ten billion attack up buff and her spam shots
potent estuary
Since charge dmg is usually undiluted, going from 250% to 350% is 40% dmg buff
silk garden
Idk who put the trash emoji, velvet actually seems like one of the rare cases of a “must pull future proof character that isn’t a SR premium”
sturdy trout
She can't burst to buff allies
Full charge during full burst means she hasn't switched weapon with her burst
potent estuary
Aka offburst
sturdy trout
If she bursts she doesn't buff allies but she doesn't look like she does enough damage for that
silk garden
Which is precisely what the idea here is
Offburst
Her allies buff skills are not conditioned on her bursting
Ammo reload happens on entering burst stage 2 irrespective of who’s bursting
Full charge buff happens during full burst irrespective of whether she bursted (obviously not) or not
sturdy trout
The attack share 25% of a supporter attack stat so charge damage up is basically carrying all the weight
potent estuary
SR still need 5 team (maybe the EX mode increases it idk) and with all the recent units having ridiculous self dmg buffs, she may be good enough
silk garden
The attack share 25% of a supporter attack stat so charge damage up is basically...
Yes and the charge damage up is carding A LOT here
Especially on spammable characters like Alice and red hood (burst)
sturdy trout
Charge dmg gets reduced in value on characters that spam fire since you start at 100% either way so you need a full charge sniper
Also no SBS
normal verge
will her personal dmg be decent?
sturdy trout
Maybe Alice SBS velvet?
silk garden
Charge dmg gets reduced in value on characters that spam fire since you start at...
Alice and red hood basically. Both are at 100% on burst
sturdy trout
We got Liberalio at home
potent estuary
Charge dmg is a separate modifier in dmg calc so its pretty good too for chargers rhat can use it
silk garden
And the question is whether you start at 100% in this case or 200%. This buff is not conditioned on the ally doing the full charge shot but velvet herself
sturdy trout
Alice and red hood basically. Both are at 100% on burst
Who still plays Alice?
There's no way you start charging at 200% lmao
potent estuary
Maybe Alice SBS velvet?
Alice: i am inevitable
silk garden
So in an essence, this is a buff that may apply before charge speed equation is taken into account
sturdy trout
Alice: i am inevitable
Macro use up by 100000%
She might actually be good for bmilk because her full charge strat wasn't too far behind keep the full charge buff + spam fire the rest strat
So that's something
potent estuary
Not saying she's like must pull, but she's looking pretty good at least
For a pre-collab unit
silk garden
She’s an arcana type of unit to me tbh
sturdy trout
I don't think there has been any completely useless units in a long time
silk garden
The buffs she provides to the right units can actually change their damage a lot
sturdy trout
If they want a filler banner they just make it a pvp unit
EmmaTU maybe but she's still waiting for a team copium
potent estuary
I don't think there has been any completely useless units in a long time
Cough jill cough
potent estuary
EmmaTU maybe but she's still waiting for a team copium
Emma waiting for the CDR
fast shell
What gun does she have
Intern-kun: NOT TELLING YOU
wooden compass
Trash unit ngl
fast shell
Do we know what 100% charge damage is equivalent to?
Can it be expressed better as attack damage or something?
wooden compass
I can only imagine Nayuta synergy but u use Miranda there
fast shell
Like 100% charge damage = 5% attack damage?
wooden compass
Like 100% charge damage = 5% attack damage?
On 250% its 40% TDM
More like a pvp unit
fast shell
That's pretty weak then. bAde and Grave wins easily or are comparable
I suppose she'll still have a place in hardcore Wind element raids though
Because she's set up as dealing personal damage according to the kit
Which means high Ele Dmg will scale her well there
stone swift
They must be doing a second valentines event after this, because this is atrocious for a supposed b2 support
Although I was very amused when I looked at the first skill and read STICKY FINGAAAAAAHS
dapper wind
lmao
stone swift
Also, since when do common raptures use bullets?
potent estuary
That's pretty weak then. bAde and Grave wins easily or are comparable
But you can use her as flex
Its a 40% dmg increase for normal charge weapons
silk garden
Or off burst
bright crow
Skip or good or pvp slop
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charred needle
sth new at least in this game
which is asking for a lot
poor devs working very hard 
hybrid elm
young bluff
calling this new is generous
charred needle
i do feel very generous
young bluff
they took the nayuta route of "default weapon is another entirely unrelated type"
charred needle
i meant the ammo pouch thing but yea i get what you mean
young bluff
ah yeah but even that is just wtf
how are you gonna steal bullets from raptures who have never ever had a bullet system you've played around to even have an idea of how that works, and i doubt using her in pvp is gonna be a real thing
if they said allies sure, however it works i'd be down with if whatever velvet ends up with makes it interesting
young bluff
have fun bro
hybrid elm
Support so she got like 5/6 atk modifier, so she only do like 25% off burst and 25% on burst
edgy sparrow
Its funny that it both says 3s and continously for the atk buff
Meanwhile the charge damage theres no continously word
Must been another intern typo
hybrid elm
Also like sniper dps for wind are like in skill dmg
So Charge dmg scaling doesn't do impact
young bluff
yeah, it's gonna take a lot to convince me that she's worth a slot when she's, at best, a buffer giving 35% supporter caster's atk + 100% charge damage unit before her self dmg stuff. the charge damage is conditional and is already on top of the 250% or so charge damage you're looking at on a unit that uses charge already
restive nebula
You won't get the +100% charge dmg at the same time as +35% attack damage though. Since they seem mutually exclusive.
vapid ember
i hate how recently, hot + not pilgrim/limited = shit
young bluff
You won't get the +100% charge dmg at the same time as +35% attack damage though...
amazing
edgy sparrow
You won't get the +100% charge dmg at the same time as +35% attack damage though...
Guy above you said caster atk tho not atk damage
obtuse comet
50 hit in full burst?
Smells like manual malding
She change weapon and judging by the new multi, I guess into MG
restive nebula
Guy above you said caster atk tho not atk damage
My bad then. Not sure what 35% that referred to then.
obtuse comet
selfish dps b2 huh
She buff herself off burst, buff allies during full burst
hybrid elm
From vid showcase, the stolen bullet transfer to mg
Also, like really
10% bullet steal to sniper/ rocket launcher
obtuse comet
No, stolen ammo is basically stored as cost for her skill
obtuse comet
You won't get the +100% charge dmg at the same time as +35% attack damage though...
You do
edgy sparrow
My bad then. Not sure what 35% that referred to then.
Its the line above charge damage
The atk damage that wont activate is in s1 since its self
obtuse comet
Basically, if she use her burst skill she become DPS, if she doesn't she become support
restive nebula
You mean the 25% of caster attack then?
obtuse comet
Ye
restive nebula
Cause the 35% is just for her in the burst
There doesn't seem to be any other 35%, unless I am just blind.
obtuse comet
During full burst, if she doesn't use her burst skill, she give all ally 25% atk and 100% charge damage
obtuse comet
Not like wind need that.
I mean, would you compete with nayuta for b2 wind slot?
This seems like designed to work beside nayuta
restive nebula
Yeah, that is tough
obtuse comet
Note that nayuta during burst become RL
restive nebula
Sure, not a bad point
dense narwhal
She change weapon and judging by the new multi, I guess into MG
Yeah i see It later,
She is basically a dps or support, if you use her as offburst She Will give buff but you Will not get those 50 hits, if you burst with her She Will play as a dps
obtuse comet
So yeah, she buff the heck out of nayuta, SBS and liberalio comp
hybrid elm
SBS: Dmg on skill
Nayuta: dmg on skill
restive nebula
So yeah, she buff the heck out of nayuta, SBS and liberalio comp
Ok, fair enough. Though, wind is so strong already that it is just overkill at that point.
obtuse comet
100% charge damage isn't to be scoffed at
hybrid elm
So she only like benefit Liberalio only
obtuse comet
SBS too
obtuse comet
She has low base charge damage, so the buff would be more prevalent
restive nebula
So she is a Union raid unit then
hybrid elm
Union raid but we run 3 different element comp
Kek lmao
Bold of you whel think we are not hard stuck pre 4
sturdy trout
Cough jill cough
Jill will be meta with privaty treasure trust
It's gonna give last bullet effect +500%
obtuse comet
Does velvet apply the team buff when using MG?
heady wigeon
Does velvet apply the team buff when using MG?
Well she can't full charge during burst
obtuse comet
That's what I thought
heady wigeon
Just calculate her deeps
If it's high enough it's good
If it's not, she's bad
Her off burst buffs aren't enough
Her off burst dps isn't enough
In burst someone calculate and just assume 6000 ammo at the statt
Start of burst
obtuse comet
What's her ammo count during MG state?
Or does she use her ammo pouch like people say?
heady wigeon
What's her ammo count during MG state?
I think infinite
obtuse comet
So it doesn't consume her ammo pouch except 300 every 50 shots?
heady wigeon
So it doesn't consume her ammo pouch except 300 every 50 shots?
Yeah I think so
charred needle
Velvet treasure will bump that up to 6s
mighty bone
Man she only buffs charge damage/atk when she's off burst?
That's kinda lame
I guess you could slot her in a nayuta, lib, sbs comp while being off burst
But she will see use as a main b2 in tetra tower for sure though
The ammo steal mechanic could make or break the character though. Im going to assume that 5% is enough to max her bullet pouch and bosses/mobs have infinite ammo
sturdy trout
The ammo steal mechanic could make or break the character though. Im going to as...
she already maxes her pouch every burst
and it literally doesn't matter how much she steals
it's a pvp passive
mighty bone
How much can 5% really do in pvp though
It would have to be something way higher to actually matter
sturdy trout
it nerfs emilia by a bit i guess
it does more in pvp than in pve
she gets 6000 bullet every burst and up to 6000 bullet
i'm sure it exists for a reason but i don't see the vision
it hurts emilia because she uses all her ammo and thats about it
mighty bone
I missed the part where she fills her pouch instantly
sturdy trout
SBS recharges her ammo on b3 so it doesn't matter if she loses some on b2
mighty bone
Like the bullet steal mechanic is kinda just there then
fading umbra
glossy portal
She probably doesn't work with siren either, and by that I mean count towards the bullets needed to reproc her bubbles
mighty bone
Why would that be the case
obtuse comet
But its only for 3 secs lmao
Her buff is applied everytime she attack with full charge, MG doesn't do full charge
obtuse comet
The ammo steal mechanic could make or break the character though. Im going to as...
She always get 6k bullet,
mighty bone
Yeah we already discussed that
obtuse comet
5% is only affecting how many bullet opponent lost
Stealing 20 bullet off modernia won't matter tho
Even if we round it up, she only steal 1 bullet from SG/SR/RL
So yeah, I don't see that particular mechanic being useful in pvp
Hold up
How does charge damage increase work again?
Like assuming no other buff, does it 250 + 100? Or is it straight up doubling the damage?
sturdy trout
Like assuming no other buff, does it 250 + 100? Or is it straight up doubling th...
It's 250+100 but how many charge units do only basic attack damage
obtuse comet
Not pilgrim
obtuse comet
It's 250+100 but how many charge units do only basic attack damage
Only one I have in mind
glossy portal
Why would that be the case
Siren's skill description
royal barn
mid af
obtuse comet
wtf am i even reading on this kit
Looks loaded but actually just 2 separate kits
umbral widget
Looks loaded but actually just 2 separate kits
wtf is ammo
how does rapture even have ammo
sturdy trout
Alice has higher base charge DMG so +100% is only like 30% damage and red hood has at least the same base charge damage as Alice if not more
umbral widget
????
obtuse comet
Whoever say rapture?
mighty bone
mid af
She's not a total brick like label though. She can be a good off burst b2 for wind team or main b2 for tetra tower
obtuse comet
As I said, she's not pilgrim so stop judging her like she's failing to meet expectation
delicate cedar
Why would you use her over bade in tower
sturdy trout
Imagine doubling that one shot
obtuse comet
That's why I asked
mighty bone
Why would you use her over bade in tower
Because tetra tower needs more mg units and bade is a sniper
sturdy trout
Because tetra tower needs more mg units and bade is a sniper
if your velvet is mg you're not buffing alice and bmilk
worn parcel
umbral widget
Whoever say rapture?
wtf am i shooting if not a rapture 
sturdy trout
wtf am i shooting if not a rapture <:weird:608253851560050700>
enemy women
umbral widget
enemy women
idk if any of my pvp units cares if they lose 1 round
sturdy trout
idk if any of my pvp units cares if they lose 1 round
Emilia
umbral widget
probably not
glossy portal
It will be funny af if she can deny 1 full charge shoot from Emilia and Shaw
obtuse comet
Why would you use her over bade in tower
People be "she's not the new best unit = trash"
glossy portal
Other than that, the ammo steal doesn't sound useful at all
sturdy trout
does someone remember the difference we calculated between bmilk spam shot + full charge every 6s for buff and bmilk just firing full charge shots?
sturdy trout
and by we i mean that one guy
obtuse comet
doesnt she just keep charging anyways? it doesnt set her ammo to 1
Steal when enter b2
umbral widget
Steal when enter b2
i fail to see how thats relevant to emi/swha tho
obtuse comet
So before Emilia enter fullburst
sturdy trout
🥹
obtuse comet
Wait
umbral widget
like if u shoot 3 times and u have 0 ammo OL u still have 3 ammo
u do big charge -1 ammo ur still charging with 2 ammo
obtuse comet
"when entering burst 2"
umbral widget
????
glossy portal
Remember "when entering burst stage 2" doesn't mean she bursts
delicate cedar
People be "she's not the new best unit = trash"
She is kinda trash though
obtuse comet
They should've just made velvet a re-enter b2
She don't always want to use her burst tho
mighty bone
Yeah they could've given her a better kit that isnt a weird split between dps and support instead
sturdy trout
guys
umbral widget
prob not a mmast/delta/helm right
obtuse comet
AOE buff decent, not the best
sturdy trout
I remember horlof saying auto bmilk was like 70% of spam fire with reloads and bmilk has 250% charge dmg so velvet buff is 1.4x
umbral widget
sturdy trout
AUTO BMILK BEATS CHAIR???
obtuse comet
i kinda want to skip but
Mustang knows how to do business
sturdy trout
glossy portal
i kinda want to skip but
Have you see her shooting pose?
umbral widget
Have you see her shooting pose?
sturdy trout
idk i think he only did the math for solo bmilk
glossy portal
sturdy trout
someone trick horlof into doing bmilk math again
glossy portal
<a:YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:855908652845105162>
obtuse comet
Forget her kits, think of her kids
sturdy trout
is velvet just bmilk treasure? 
shift ups years long quest to make a sniper unit that actually wants to charge shot
obtuse comet
shift ups years long quest to make a sniper unit that actually wants to charge s...
Bunny ade
umbral widget
shift ups years long quest to make a sniper unit that actually wants to charge s...
is it finally time to make
bade rh bmilk velvet
whole sparrow
So anyone has a guess of how the expend ammo work?
obtuse comet
RH don't belong in that list
umbral widget
So anyone has a guess of how the expend ammo work?
obtuse comet
So anyone has a guess of how the expend ammo work?
Wdym?
It just consume her ammo pouch
It's literally just energy with fancy name
whole sparrow
Doesnt do anything else?
obtuse comet
Nothing for now
whole sparrow
I see
obtuse comet
No no
sturdy trout
wait she has pierce buff too so it's actually not troll
obtuse comet
Replace RH with maxwell
whole sparrow
So as long as you are in normal burst rotation, that ammo pouch doesnt do anything
You refill fast enough anyway
obtuse comet
So as long as you are in normal burst rotation, that ammo pouch doesnt do anythi...
Yes
Can't run out
whole sparrow
Yapping in skill kits
sturdy trout
Replace RH with maxwell
rh does more damage doe
obtuse comet
6k
whole sparrow
6000
umbral widget
sturdy trout
and maxwell only gets +25% dmg from velvet
whole sparrow
I just assume you dont get any from rapture
obtuse comet
I just assume you dont get any from rapture
You get 6k flat
The "steal" part is irrelevant
You always refil 6k when entering b2
sturdy trout
bmilk is the only other damage unit on that team and bmilk has +330% atk already so maxwell +atk buff is 
obtuse comet
bmilk is the only other damage unit on that team and bmilk has +330% atk already...
If only Yan got treasure
sturdy trout
Yan so sex
but her kit is crow tier so they'd have to completely rework her and they're not doing that unless they can squeeze a gacha skin out of her later
see helm
but Yan isn't enough of a cow to get a gacha skin
rain heart
I just check all SR/RL char
either Alice who taps 350% charge dmg at 1 frame
BMilk who benefits 0 from current buffers
or SBS with 150% charge dmg base
kinda stinky
sturdy trout
BMilk who benefits 0 from current buffers
bmilk + velvet should do more damage full charging than spam shooting
the issue is that spam shoot bmilk has an extra slot on her team 
umbral widget
bmilk benefits from sros 
rain heart
looks the same to me
sturdy trout
one of those has to reload 4x more often
sturdy trout
obtuse comet
But what if damage reduction enter the room?
sturdy trout
What do you mean?
Defense damage reduction is based on stats, not the damage you do
guys I figured it out
I got the strat
Velvet is the unit made for people who are stuck on mirror container
Buff ein or whatever you're using for slippers to do a bigger shot
vapid ember
sturdy trout
Buff eunhwa with velvet
umbral widget
did anyone see this
sturdy trout
intern-kun...
gaunt juniper
thanks 
obtuse comet
I mean, that stand original name is "zipperman" but due to copyright issue it's changed to sticky finger
golden knoll
.
swift flint
Another great looking, but not generally usable bait?
gaunt juniper
I mean, that stand original name is "zipperman" but due to copyright issue it's ...
it's the other way around actually
umbral widget
Another great looking, but not generally usable bait?
hushed briar
but Yan isn't enough of a cow to get a gacha skin
Yan Alt
golden knoll
hushed briar
sneakers?
umbral widget
I hope they keep her sex shoes
I'll sex her shoes
hushed briar
ill seggs her socks
hushed briar
100x4 vs 350%
spamming would miss out on skill 1 and 2 bonuses
sturdy trout
i'll sex her
hushed briar
i'll sex her
u win
while we're busy jorking with her shoes
damm
How impactful is the 5% ammo stolen even
thats Pvponly
mighty bone
We dont know
hushed briar
thats not even a single ammo from SR/RL
mighty bone
It could be
If you had ten ammo, and 5% got taken away. You no longer have 100% of 10
hushed briar
Also i dont think she can even expend all 6000 " ammo " in her pouch, right?
mighty bone
1 has to go
hushed briar
given that she would be Full auto
and auto burst timing
6000 ammo pouch seems enough for anything
sturdy trout
moran treasure will give her a weapon switch with 1 bullet
mighty bone
She doesnt need to worry about running out of ammo considering she gets topped up every burst
I just wonder what was velvet made for
Maybe she has some synergy with the new treasures
sturdy trout
I just wonder what was velvet made for
the new battle pass.
hushed briar
Looks like some generic buffer B2
Full auto buffer
She MG when burst ?
50/s
that's
what's the gun rate
sturdy trout
Make hot design people want
Release new unit with a worse outfit
Put the outfit people actually want in the shop
Profit
This is literally just what feet game does
sturdy trout
Where none of the units wear the free clothes in feet mode
glossy portal
I will get the bunny one just cuz I like bunny girls
sturdy trout
They just get the broke ass bitch clothes
Is this the first launch skin for a non pilgrim?
At least it's not gacha
mighty bone
If it was gacha, shift up couldnt live that one down
Hell, they can barely excuse this one
sturdy trout
Literally bmilk treasure
hushed briar
that's what u get for having dark armpit
sturdy trout
It's stinky
mighty bone
She's buffing bmilk and also is a off burst b2 support for wind team
But Wind is already super loaded
Did we really need this
sturdy trout
She's buffing bmilk and also is a off burst b2 support for wind team
Which wind team?
mighty bone
Sbs lib nayu
sturdy trout
SBS lib is with maids and eva2 don't charge
wooden compass
AUTO BMILK BEATS CHAIR???
but u throw away xlud damage taken
doesnt work for bosses
bosses, ludmilla better
mobs velvet better
wooden compass
or noir idk if u dont have max ammo
sturdy trout
Is that a
mighty bone
We'll see what the verdict is when she drops
hushed briar
First 10 pull, maybe
wooden compass
hmm actually Tetra buffers arent ATK diluted
mighty bone
Ill probably pull her anyway but no harm in saving for half anni i guess
wooden compass
Velvet might still beat XLud for Alice
so it depends on boss
water weak, xlud. iron weak, xlud. fire weak, velvet.
wind weak, ure not gonna burst with velvet anyway so whatever
wooden compass
u run bmilk but not alice?
mighty bone
She still sees use in tetra tower and fire weak raid
sturdy trout
Fire has like 20 units
mighty bone
You'll always need 5 teams
wooden compass
no one's gonna cope and run Liter Grave Alice Rei Velvet in raid though
hushed briar
spam attacks
wooden compass
LMAO
sturdy trout
hushed briar
get both buffs
mighty bone
to get the 50 normal attacks
That's for her machine gun mode
sturdy trout
You'll get banned for doing 50 shots in 10 seconds
wooden compass
atk buff too far from compensating not having mod but
sturdy trout
.28571428571 dmg boost for Alice
Your second B3 probably can't use the buff
Or is off ele
sturdy trout
Alice SBS could be funny
wooden compass
not sure which one is better
hushed briar
That's for her machine gun mode
Doesn't mean u cant spam her SR shots
to get 50 attacks
lol
wooden compass
if we get a sniper Fire unit
mighty bone
How are you gonna manage to shoot 50 times with a sr in any decent amount of time
wooden compass
to get 50 attacks
Shhh
hushed briar
Alice SBS could be funny
this is liek 2 years old
sturdy trout
this is liek 2 years old
Yes but with velvet this time
It's so funny how Alice keeps getting power crept and then she comes back anyway
sturdy trout
SBS Alice exists
Mana kills SBS Alice
Maids bring SBS Alice back
Liberalio kills SBS Alice
Velvet brings SBS Alice back
sturdy trout
SU where is my Alice treasure 😭
No way lmao
She already got her gacha skin
Bitch dead
hushed briar
It's so funny how Alice keeps getting power crept and then she comes back anyway
powercrept, yes
comes back, no
mighty bone
Gacha skin for a character with no real use 
sturdy trout
comes back, no
Mana literally designed to replace Alice in SBS team and dies a patch later because maids exist
wooden compass
Liter Grave Alice Rei Velvet might beat Mod if Mod is weak
hushed briar
Gacha skin for a character with no real use <:wahahaha:1008472874513870882>
gacha for Naga
they literally just give Gacha skins to characters that sees most used
but people do that because of meta skills
wooden compass
Liter Grave Alice Rei Velvet might beat Mod if Mod is weak
does anyone have damage distribution/graph for this team?
hushed briar
not because they like the characters
sturdy trout
Naga might not be top team anymore but she's still super useful and versatile
sturdy trout
Naga is basically the I don't want to do mechanics but I don't want to -1 party slot button
Alice gacha skin was released after she fell off because shift up never wanted her to be good
wooden compass
does anyone have damage distribution/graph for this team?
so no
mighty bone
Definitely feels like Alice being meta for so long was an accident
sturdy trout
If it was modern shift up and they knew how strong she'd be they'd have launched her with a gacha akin
mighty bone
Same with liter
hushed briar
Naga might not be top team anymore but she's still super useful and versatile
Not worth for gacha skin
they could've given Liter a Gacha skin
but no
mighty bone
Liter has like 3 skins already
sturdy trout
they could've given Liter a Gacha skin
I'd get banned from this server if that happened
swift flint
Velvet another safe but mentally painful for a few skip?
sturdy trout
Why do people think gacha skin must be SEX
I mean look at them?
mighty bone
Why do people think gacha skin must be SEX
Because every gacha skin has been sex lol. Gotta give people a reason to spend 60 bucks
sturdy trout
Red hood gacha is probably the least sex skin because it's depression
hushed briar
Cinder is not sex
sturdy trout
And she still got a fat ass
hushed briar
more elegance
sturdy trout
You can literally see her feet
mighty bone
Red hood gacha is probably the least sex skin because it's depression
Least??? Her tits are practically falling out her top
sturdy trout
Mihara sticks her feet directly into your mouth
Just because intern fucked up and the lobby is a scam doesn't mean they tried to make it modest
Cdub already dealt with that guy anyway
glossy portal
Is that supposed to turn everyone on? 
mighty bone
They gotta put feet somewhere
sturdy trout
Foot fetish is Chinese staple
mighty bone
We got trony for example
glossy portal
sturdy trout
It's the sex appeal that comes with no risk of some guy snitching to the government
glossy portal
I prefer her maid outfit 
hushed briar
then she'd be staple in PvP
glossy portal
I will build her because of wind SR
mighty bone
50% ammo steal would be broken lol
delicate cedar
I hope they keep her sex shoes
I hope her alt has no shoes
wooden compass
Liter Grave Alice Rei Velvet
I know that team works
and that team works for someone without Mod
or doesnt wanna build Mod
cus its 2026
(no one wants to build Velvet too anyway but hey Tetra Tow-)
hyper Alice is so 2026
sturdy trout
We would have gotten liter gacha skin if we were in the good ending timeline but instead we got the shift up kills surface mode to spend that money on making release skins for meme units instead
Timeline
hushed briar
We would have gotten liter gacha skin if we were in the good ending timeline but...
I'll add " i need surface " in the next susrvey
sturdy trout
I'll add " i need surface " in the next susrvey
Please don't
They'll make it even worse
Just tell them to give me the surface rocks and skip the rest
delicate cedar
They'll make it even worse
I’d drag my dick through broken glass to get one more crystal a day
mighty bone
Crazy how this game actually gets no new content except story and events now that i think about it
sturdy trout
Crazy how this game actually gets no new content except story and events now tha...
Story?
mighty bone
We're getting new story next month bru
sturdy trout
Nothing happens for a yeah ahh story
mighty bone
Nothing happens for a yeah ahh story
Ill give you that
sturdy trout
The dev notes literally say not to worry about the next story chapter being kinda bad because they're setting up 4th anni and it's gonna be great just wait bro
mighty bone
The thing that upsets me the most about the four beasts arc is how we didnt even get them at the end of it. They dropped liberalio and nayuta out of nowhere
hushed briar
Crazy how this game actually gets no new content except story and events now tha...
People complain too much about surface
mighty bone
People complain too much about surface
And they were right to. Every part of it was so sloooooooow
sturdy trout
Surface was fun until you cleared it and then it was terrible
People had to turn off 90% of the content to make it bearable
And there's no way they would have been able to do that in the finished version so imagine actually having to do the battery shit and all the weeklies
hushed briar
The surface tileset looks too green
for how much Barren wasteland we were told/shown in the story
sturdy trout
Grassphobia
hushed briar
it's like different worlds even
sturdy trout
Most of the surface we see is fucked up because the area around the ark is fucked up
mighty bone
for how much Barren wasteland we were told/shown in the story
That's not true though? They talk about it many times that nature has returned since humanity has left the surface and the raptures live without destroying the place
sturdy trout
The rest of the world should be fine
I think the idea behind surface mode was that they fucked off to the middle of nowhere so everything being green makes more sense
mighty bone
Yeah
wooden compass
Velvet will become meta immediately once we get B3 CDR. PrivatyTr might give that, so care.
mighty bone
The land around the ark was the biggest battlefield other than the space lift
mighty bone
Velvet will become meta immediately **once we get B3 CDR**. PrivatyTr might give...
Its a cope but i hope its true too
wooden compass
It's indeed wishful, but remember my name if it becomes true.
sturdy trout
Velvet will become meta immediately **once we get B3 CDR**. PrivatyTr might give...
How
the EmmaTU thread is two blocks down
hushed briar
That's not true though? They talk about it many times that nature has returned s...
The tileset is literally different from what the surface is like seen during story mode
hushed briar
there was no snow even
for how early on we were in the snowy area
sector 4 should be icy imo
wooden compass
Nayuta and SW can benefit from Velvet
and both love MirandaTr
if Privaty has CDR
Velvet will join them
SHelm will go somewhere else
sturdy trout
What do you mean SW sw has 1000% charge damage
hushed briar
What do you mean SW sw has 1000% charge damage
Her Burst
sturdy trout
Surely you can do better than +10% dmg
wooden compass
and MiharaBC likes ATK buff so Velvet doesnt hurt from being there (and also XDiesel from Tactical)
wooden compass
Surely you can do better than +10% dmg
+10% + the atk buff
hushed briar
Surely you can do better than +10% dmg
1000 > 1100 is just 10%
wooden compass
SHelm can go with Shotgun team
maybe we get new Iron shotgun by then
no more BSoda cope
or T5
hushed briar
What do you mean SW sw has 1000% charge damage
sturdy trout
Yes
hushed briar
+100% for SW would be a waste
sturdy trout
and velvet gives her +100
sturdy trout
SBS has 300
wooden compass
not waste if u get more dmg
hushed briar
SBS has 300
Only on her brst, thats when she get 100 + 150%
wooden compass
altho im sure people will just do MirandaTr BAde SW Priv Ada
if Priv got CDR
lmao
wooden compass
we talk about Priv
mighty bone
Priv pls become as good as TrHelm
hushed briar
Priv pls become as good as TrHelm
For what it's worth
there would be only 1 useable treasure
according to the Trend
sturdy trout
Priv pls become as good as TrHelm
They're never making another thelm unless they plan to give her a gacha skin
Miranda was clearly a mistake
wooden compass
privaty doesnt have gacha skin yet
mighty bone
Was it though
sturdy trout
She's flat and has no gacha skin potential so yes
wooden compass
lots of people like Priv
sturdy trout
She was meant to buff SW like arcana
mighty bone
Privaty is a easy slam dunk for a hot gacha skin
sturdy trout
There's no way they intended the bleed meme
wooden compass
I think Priv will be meta
sturdy trout
Privaty has a chance
sturdy trout
I really hope centi gets a gacha skin because it would make her treasure goos
But she literally has no kit
So they'd have to add more text than helm
mighty bone
She's flat and has no gacha skin potential so yes
Wouldnt be the first time a flatty was good
I dont think its smart to think they only make good characters to sell skins for them
sturdy trout
Miranda is not gacha skin material
mighty bone
I cant imagine many people buy gacha skins in the first place, not even dolphins
Mission pass is more believable
sturdy trout
I cant imagine many people buy gacha skins in the first place, not even dolphins
Go play coop with rabdoms
mighty bone
Why would i play with subhumans
sturdy trout
To look at all the gacha skins they have
hushed briar
I really hope centi gets a gacha skin because it would make her treasure goos
Her kit has 0 benefit for the team
she only saw usage because of being the fastest B2 Clip RL burst generator
20sB2
that was her only power
heck
the only best usable B2 were Admi and Dolla and centi at the time
They need to do some miracle to make Centi Treasure do anything
I would just realistically wait for her Christmas Alt
XCenti stronk
umbral widget
They need to do some miracle to make Centi Treasure do anything
80% non pierce damage take it or leave it
hushed briar
if it some BS like Milk's treasure
umbral widget
if it some BS like Milk's treasure
100% def shred to turn everyone true dmg
tulip wing
Is labeled a support but provides less support than most off burst DPS. She has no home. Her only saving grace is if her bullet stealing mechanic actually interacts with the Raptures attacks (interactive and hit scan) if so could come in clutch for low CP HM clears on some levels.
Curious if she double dips her s1 proc if you bring ViperT (Also Tetra 
) or any future re-enters B2 units.
I think the devs idea is for her to be the final piece of a full wind team? siren/Nayuta/SBS/lib/ Velvet. Finally freeing crown, but I'm not seeing it.
hushed briar
100% def shred to turn everyone true dmg
Burst skill now hits 10 units randomly ( can hit same target )
umbral widget
Is labeled a support but provides less support than most off burst DPS. She has ...
labeled as support doesnt mean jack except she gets less atk stat
cindy is a defender
🙂
good defense
hushed briar
Each hit grants a stackable debuff ( +20% Damage taken )
umbral widget
defense = kill enemy
hushed briar
debuff stackable up to 10 timws
hushed briar
cindy is a defender
2B is defender
umbral widget
2B is defender
her booty is a big wall to defend u
tulip wing
labeled as support doesnt mean jack except she gets less atk stat
It is actually. She's not an exception case like Sanis or Cindy who are primary DPS (were in Sanis case and her buffs are also more impactful any way) So we should be viewing her to her equivalent counterparts.
hushed briar
Dorothy doesnt have any support skill
umbral widget
theres enough defender/supporters where their entire point is to do dmg eg little mermaid nayuta cindy sanis 2b ect
defender/supporter is literally just "you have less atk"
tulip wing
Seems you guys are latching on to the opening statement then stopped reading. You're also bringing up the DPS exceptions that mess with the class types. Name an actual dedicated support who class swapped and does less?
Or are you all suggesting we should be viewing her in a selfish DPS lens like the examples provided?
umbral widget
theres also alot of attackers who are big on supporting
helm/ada
maxwell
the label is pretty arbitrary aside from "you get less atk"
as the main relevance
tulip wing
theres also alot of attackers who are big on supporting
That was my point.... She does less than the attacker off bursts we would bring in that slot..
tulip wing
If the re-enter burst 2 gimmick works and she double dips. Perhaps that could be something if we get one more impactful than Viper.
umbral widget
watch collab give a RL that shoots 60/s at 7% conversion and no splash but 100% cd in 0.01s
tulip wing
I'll hold out for that.
umbral widget
double dipping wouldnt even matter
hushed briar
game is tied to 3min game
umbral widget
u dont run out of coins
hushed briar
Reward is tied to max Damage dealt
umbral widget
and you dont get ur buffs when ur bursting
umbral widget
what r u going to do steal 10% ammo instead of 5% from the enemy?
when raptures dont have ammo
hushed briar
even in " Base defense " / Defense battlu still lose if u dont deal enough damagr
hushed briar
what r u going to do steal 10% ammo instead of 5% from the enemy? <:Kappa:794017...
strictly PvP issue
seems like they hated the mechanics when the numbers were higher in internal testing
umbral widget
strictly PvP issue
idk it sounds kinda clown in pvp too
my rl will have 1 less ammo, good thing they still have enough to get me to burst
hushed briar
idk it sounds kinda clown in pvp too
if it was 50% to80% ammo steal for apvP
tulip wing
That's assuming the steal 5% also grants her 6k rounds. If it doesn't she's running out. She eats 100 every full charge and then 400 during FB off burst.
We don't know how quickly that could chew through her reserves. It was also just a thought, Jesus.
hushed briar
which theu later trickled down to 40 30 20 then just gave up at 5% ammo steal
umbral widget
if the wording is correct u get 6k every b2
tulip wing
Also why is Mackii even discussing defense? That was no ones point. The only relevant topic to that I discussed is whether she actually "steals" live ammo from the field
hushed briar
its one of the new Mechanics that they introduced and walked back on
umbral widget
and the only other effect is stealing ammo which is 
for pve
and kinda useless for pvp
tulip wing
if the wording is correct u get 6k every b2
Not quite. It says her max cap IS 6k then she proceeds to steal 5% of bullets. That is what provided her pouch her ammo. Whether it's enough to max out at 6k is yet to be determined
hushed briar
Also why is Mackii even discussing defense? That was no ones point. The only rel...
reason being
Labeling anything support or defender has 0 benefit for the current state of the game
umbral widget
"fills the ammo pouch with 6000 rounds"
hushed briar
it could just be everyone as Attacker and prolly the game would be in a better stat
umbral widget
= u always have 6000 rounds every b2
tulip wing
Only in exceptions Mackii. Most follow the dedicated placement and traditional "full" supports provide actual meaningful contributions.
umbral widget
theres a comma there its 2 different statements
fill 6000 rounds, max rounds = 6000 so if u have 2000 and u b2 u fill 4000
hushed briar
fill 6000 rounds, max rounds = 6000 so if u have 2000 and u b2 u fill 4000
It's still up to max of 6000 anyway
hushed briar
I assume the ammo filling is level-based
like 2000 2300 2600
and up to 6000
with 6000 being the final cap, unchanged
umbral widget
I assume the ammo filling is level-based
like 2000 2300 2600
and up to 6000
mostlikely this
its an attempt to get us to level her s1
cuz it sucks otherwise
and we would put it at lvl 1
tulip wing
Yeah seeing it again, it does imply it's two different effects. I'll concede that point. The double dip burst 2 is moot. Would have been a cool interaction for her
The thing is what does the steal ammo line even mean.
hushed briar
just seems to be vestigial from whatever number it used to be
like 60% ammo steal
what was the internal teating that lowered the number down to 5%
even 10% seems negligible
glossy portal
The only reason I can think is that there will be an interaction with a yet to release nikke that uses the ammo pouch too
hushed briar
if it was like 10% Ammo steal/ S1 lvl
it would be nice
forcing Enemy PvP.to.reload at ghe start of the battle
glossy portal
Cuz I still don't get why they would make her steal ammo when it gets filled to max every time you reach burst stage 2
hushed briar
to inconvenient your pvp enemy
and ammo refill should be 2000 2400 2800 3200 3600 . . . and so on
per level
capping at 6000 at lvl 10
quaint bay
I cant imagine many people buy gacha skins in the first place, not even dolphins
No, plenty buy gacha skins for the mats 
I've actually spent $50 and gotten just the mats, skipping the gacha skins I don't like (Mihara, Eve, etc.)
mighty bone
spending 60 bucks for 10 SR collection mats
big powermove
man just has money to burn on literally nothing
quaint bay
reason being
Labeling anything support or defender has 0 benefit for the current...
Counter-argument: healing
shell dew
reason being
Labeling anything support or defender has 0 benefit for the current...
caster attack
quaint bay
but that's probably the only one
quaint bay
caster attack
Caster's ATK buffs are detrimental 
Normal ATK buffs like what Liter has are better
umbral widget
Counter-argument: healing
Best healer helm, attacker
Being support class is very simple
It's shift up saying you got nerfed before you existed
Like being a smg
quaint bay
Best healer helm, attacker
Only if the damage is paced well enough for two burst intervals
Anchor and Blanc are both much better consistent healers
Helm just provides the strongest 10s healing in the game (and even that's not entirely the case; Liter still struggles to heal if not with Crown cuz SMG personal dmg is awful )
fast shell
ShiftUp's gotten a bit better at balancing offense and the need to survive
Which is only to say, that they've been making some whales have to worry about heals or shields on their teams to do highest scores
hushed briar
It's the rocks <:delusweat:771753647146139689>
10usd for 3 Rocks
IS WILD
hushed briar
Best healer helm, attacker
Best healer is still Nosie imo
Watch Liter trying to heal herself up with Helm's burst is annoying
I think Velvet is really skirting the line between acceptable and NSFW
sturdy trout
She rubs her ball smell on your face
hushed briar
I dont like her design
umbral widget
I think Velvet is really skirting the line between acceptable and NSFW
wym we already have rouge gacha
also this is 12+ approved
🙂
hushed briar
wym we already have rouge gacha
Rouge gacha is extremely undercookerd
obtuse comet
Rouge gacha skin is 18+ concept with pg13 application
fast shell
They pushed the limits with Velvet, yeah. It's almost like somebody took lessons from the flood of cultured images on Blablalink that survived moderation
obtuse comet
Marciana had belly piercing
That's the ultimate peak
Second only to paloli tattoo
So velvet pasties are tame in comparison
sturdy trout
I guess bp sales dried up
quaint bay
I dont like her design
Agreed. Both kit and design are ez skip for me 
obtuse comet
Shes the viper that could've been
But viper ghosted us all
You know a kit is so bad that viper disappear from people memory despite her peak design
sturdy trout
Hoyo doesn't want to accidentally damage the sales of a potential gacha skin with a good bp skin like what happened to Blanc and Alice so most bp skins are for bad units nowadays
mighty bone
hoyo?
sturdy trout
But they didn't expect people to just not buy skins for characters they don't use
hushed briar
You know a kit is so bad that viper disappear from people memory despite her pea...
She's not even included in the Bunny Coin Rush event
despite being one of the first bunny girls in the game
sturdy trout
Velvet alt soon 
hushed briar
Centi Alt
obtuse comet
despite being one of the first bunny girls in the game
And somehow, they make her even worst with her treasure
hushed briar
And somehow, they make her even worst with her treasure
There's a simple fix that they can use but no
" If there already is a 20s B2 in your team, you become Reentry Burst 2 ", else be a normal Burst 2
obtuse comet
" If there already is a 20s B2 in your team, you become Reentry Burst 2 ", else ...
Which b2 is she even supposed to work with?
Because that's seems beyond arbitrary
hushed briar
You dont want to have Viper is a Re-Entry B2, if you dont already have a 20s B2 in your team
if you have Mast in your team
ReEntry Viper will not work
as an example
obtuse comet
More like, why is the re-entry b2 even a thing?
What was the intention behind this design? Who do they have in mind when they decide "oh yeah, if she re-enter b2, she can work in this team with this nikke"
Water don't even have 20s b2
hushed briar
yeah she sucks
her kit sucks
her treasure kit sucks
being a selfish B2 buffer as an attacker sucks
B2 Attacker sucks as a whole
sturdy trout
I have a dream
hushed briar
sturdy trout
Gacha skin centi that shreds your face on her abs like a block of cheese
Please god
Make her treasure omega good
obtuse comet
B2 Attacker sucks as a whole
Guilty is decent wdym
sturdy trout
I will buy the gacha centi skin unless it's pretty girl slop like a dress
I sacrifice my 60$ to make centi good
Who up for blood magic rituals to summon meta Centi
sturdy trout
sturdy trout
I mean helm was basically a nothing burger and then they gave her two more kits on top of what she had and now she's good
hushed briar
3rd member of Raise and Rebuild
sturdy trout
They can do the same for centi
And centi is actually hot unlike helm
But I guess centi isn't gacha skin material because china is afraid of large strong women
sturdy trout
only her crotch guard got censored
we need to destroy china
release the centi crotch
obtuse comet
Who up for blood magic rituals to summon meta Centi
Watch her be the new naga enabler(since crown is with helm now)
obtuse comet
Pseudo buffed
By giving her new best partner
Centi do spam shield, it's just that her shield technically only apply to herself but protect entire team
sturdy trout
naga isn't even good enough to justify spending a slot on a do nothing unit just to enable her shield buffs anymore
obtuse comet
Yes, but what if they make it so centi also benefit from naga?
sturdy trout