[Diesel: Winter Sweets] New Unit Megathread

[upper crag]

50% crit dmg vs 628% attack damage

I don't know

[dreamy spoke]

We never know theres a hidden cindy bug somewhere

[azure zenith]

ah, new diesel not showing in blablalink yet

gotta add up her ele dmg

[dreamy spoke]

U guys thinkin she worth a hyper invest like a raven?

[azure zenith]

here's my test with a support more favorable for xdiesel vs miharalt vs fire weak training room boss.

mihara had bastion 15 equipped

diesel has ~36% ele dmg, 11.81% atk, lvl 13 resilience

no OL on the boot, btw, lmao

[silk oracle]

Fights against Mihara pretty well

[azure zenith]

my diesel is 9/10/8 vs miharalt 10/8/7

[timid plover]

ols/skills?

[granite grove]

TLDR
Diesel is a Sustained Damage type Fire DPS that will majorly play a role in assisting her team's damage dealt. She will probably not be used outside of Fire Bossing.

Must pull for Fire-Weak Raid tryhards.

General consensus: Don't skip even if you don't care about Fire-weak; just build her a bit (no need to overinvest). One copy is recommended for Raiders and also Brid.

[upper crag]

[azure zenith]

issue is diesel doesn't work well with all the meta supports, lol

[upper crag]

won't be used outside fire raid
don't skip even if you don't care about fire

how

[silk oracle]

Mihara is 80% ele 38% ATK 10/10/10, while X Diesel is 40% ele 30% atk, 7/7/7

[granite grove]

10/10/10

4 ele 4 atk

Sub meta lines: 3-4 crit, 1 ammo

[rugged oracle]

Anyone finish and compare her to Midhara, rapi and Alice with Union shooting room?

[dreamy spoke]

And she didnt even need to make a deal with Jien... truly su golden child

[granite grove]

Because her damage is of a very high level on fire

[silk oracle]

lol, comparing to Alice in shooting range is so unfair to Alice

[timid plover]

arigatou

[azure zenith]

ya, alice is smoked in test room

[upper crag]

but I don't care about fire

[azure zenith]

no parts

[upper crag]

[granite grove]

You will in campaign bossing ig, maybe

[upper crag]

Pira + Mihara

[granite grove]

Midhara Vs diesel

[floral falcon]

Mlb it is

Someone needs to take care of those thighs

[azure zenith]

anyway, since xdiesel has a similar problem with liberalio (too much of a modifier), but to an even bigger extreme

they can work well together

[upper crag]

so Siren Duo maid Diesel Lib?

SBS was MVP one patch lmao

[silk oracle]

Why bass clef??

[azure zenith]

i remember i did this test ages ago showing just how much of a difference all that attack dmg stacking did for liberalio

[nocturne plume]

MUSIK

[azure zenith]

significantly 'worse' supports for liberalio

yet liberalio barely loses dmg with bnnuys compared to crown+helmT

so the same applies here

but to an even bigger extreme, cuz instead of 300% self atk dmg buff, it's close to 1000% sustained dmg self buff

[upper crag]

the dmg should be same here because Blanc only offers 40% Dmg taken while Crown offers 44% ATK buff

[azure zenith]

a buffer like bAde is terrible for diesel

as with liberalio

[upper crag]

she can run just fine with Rem

[azure zenith]

💀

[sleek hedge]

tldr, get all atk buff?

[upper crag]

[azure zenith]

atk/caster atk, dmg taken debuff

[upper crag]

Brid

[azure zenith]

yes

[upper crag]

65% caster ATK + 35% dmg taken

[silk oracle]

B Ade still on the better end of uptime for Caster's ATK buff, no?

[azure zenith]

i did bring up brid as being one of her best supporters, but ofc, she's locked behind SG squadthis raid

bAde caster atk buff is babby

[silk oracle]

Hilariously Tiga would be good if there were core

[azure zenith]

like 13% of a supporter's atk at max rank?

tiga would NOT be good for diesel

[silk oracle]

Yeah, but there's not much competition

[azure zenith]

sustained dmg doesn't benefit from core

[upper crag]

her ammo dmg = 9%

[silk oracle]

Naga gives like 50% Caster's ATK

[upper crag]

91% from DoT

I would rather

Rem the goat

[silk oracle]

X Diesel almost lost to neutral Cindy against fire-weak with Liter/Rem in my testing

[tiny socket]

is diesel good

[sick silo]

She is uhmmmm, kinda yikes so far with current buffers from my own testing

[tiny socket]

yikes means good or bad

[vivid pendant]

Somehow it feels like she's underperforming

[nocturne plume]

She deals more damage than Soline in my testing

[quartz marsh]

how did this happen
I thought she would be great

[nocturne plume]

She's bugged

[tiny socket]

make diesel great again

[silk oracle]

We can't utilize her potential

[nocturne plume]

her DoT only applied 50% of the time

[sick silo]

She is under performing by a lot

[tiny socket]

forget electric

[sleek hedge]

hold on, all ss above, ppl use diesel burst first (intro buff) or 2nd (highlight buff)?

[silk oracle]

Second

[rugged oracle]

Because most of UR boss don't have parts

[vivid pendant]

Sustained damager x bugged kit

[azure zenith]

second

it's kinda mandatory, cuz that diff, lol.

but yes, it does mean diesel by default bursts one time fewer

[silk oracle]

If she's bugged, do we complain after hard mode starts so double union chips?

[azure zenith]

where's the bug?

[sick silo]

I have her at like 80 ele, 20 atk. Idk if I even want to invest in the other 2 OL lines for her atk atm

[finite plover]

must burst second

[sleek hedge]

sus dmg up = atk dmg up in buff group?

[cinder drift]

Is xdiesel worth puling?

[azure zenith]

atk/sustained/pierce/true damage, all of it is in the same category for dmg formula

[hollow rose]

she get both intro and highlight buff in same battle right?

[silk oracle]

No

[azure zenith]

no, only one

burst second vs bosses always

[silk oracle]

If she bursts first, intro for the rest of battle

If she bursts not-first, highlight for rest of battle

[hollow rose]

[silk oracle]

Intro just makes her weaker without causing the hit rate debuff

Basically pointless

[finite plover]

so whats her damage

[hollow rose]

lib 3 sec buff first full charge will hit boss leg instead of core if no part ig lol

[finite plover]

is her sust ticking at 1.4s

like Mackii says

or

its 1s

[azure zenith]

no, lmao

it's 1s

as it says in skill card

there's no bug. people are just suffering because she gives herself too much sustained dmg

so she's not working well with the majority of meta supports

[finite plover]

Ok, then:

• OL: 4x ELE, 4x ATK, 4x Crit Rate (or Crit DMG if you only use her with MirandaTr's guaranteed crit, otherwise Rate is better; can keep both, though)
• Skill: 10/10/10
• Cube: Resilience
• Doll: SR 5-15

[hollow rose]

can stack increaser keep diesel's 600% buff? so she can keep not hitting for crit rate buff?

[wheat cedar]

Using her with afk Miranda means damage loss

[finite plover]

Yes.

I think.

Wait.

Yes.

Possible.

[unborn flume]

So someone just tell me.
Skip? Pull?

[hollow rose]

most stack increaser are from burst but xmica can but need too many shots for 3 sec??

[tiny socket]

is she at least good for pvp

[silk oracle]

T5 cope comp testing

[finite plover]

What stack increaser do we have...

[wheat cedar]

She is a limited unit. Her not coming back until next year should be a good reason to pull at least 1 copy

[finite plover]

Meh, not worth slotting in XMica.

Or Flora.

[hollow rose]

flora only for electric

[finite plover]

Or Soda.

[hollow rose]

most stack increaser we got are tied to ele except pepper and xmica?

[upper crag]

Peppah the pig

[unborn flume]

Just because they are limited doesn't mean you should pull though right?
Like if you had to choose between Diesel and Xmaiden, I should go with maiden right?

[hollow rose]

peppa and soda tied to bursting
xmica skill 10 need 150 smg normal attack hits landed

[finite plover]

Invest in your Diesel better.

Then test in Rapipi comp.

[silk oracle]

Already tested in Rapi comp

Lost to Helm

[finite plover]

Only burst Mast during Diesel's Burst.

[wheat cedar]

Both are good in their own filed, cannot really say one is better than the other.

[finite plover]

Your Diesel is weak Ig

[silk oracle]

I'd posted my investment already, yes

She's not performing well enough at this investment to be gamechanging enough to warrant further investment

[azure zenith]

use with bunnies and liberalio this raid

[silk oracle]

Helm burst gen for Rapi > X Diesel given nothing but atk dmg

[warm marlin]

that just means she will become god when they release more atk buffer in the future

[finite plover]

Also no need ammo for Diesel

[finite plover]

Actually

Hang on

[silk oracle]

Bunnies have been best performance for her by far

[finite plover]

hmm 2s reload time

she cant reload within FB

LMAO

[silk oracle]

She can, but resilience is 100% mandatory

[finite plover]

unless u have reload speed buffers

ooof hmm

[azure zenith]

she can with resilience. she barely charges the charge shot enough

[finite plover]

hmm

[silk oracle]

I already tested that resilience alone suffices

[azure zenith]

do not use bastion

yep, same

resilience works

[finite plover]

too risky

but ig

it works

[hollow kayak]

It's over

[azure zenith]

it just cuts it close, ya, but it's a way to prevent stack cutoff

[hollow kayak]

The rapi killer

[upper crag]

[finite plover]

wdym killer

more like MIhara killer to me outside raid

[upper crag]

at least I have better to run against Ziz and Gluttony

[azure zenith]

gluttony, ya. ziz, idk, don't you need to destroy her orbs

[finite plover]

Gluttony?

[azure zenith]

well, i guess you don't if you can survive the big hit

[finite plover]

fixed in Campaign too?

[azure zenith]

ya, procs deal full dmg

[finite plover]

just... survive?

best team after trio tactical is still

the regular Rapipi Mihara comp

just yeet MIhara for Diesel

same shit

[hollow kayak]

Wtf absolute is saved?

[drowsy folio]

what's math on Diesel @upper crag @granite grove

How many % of Rapi/Mihara

[silk oracle]

Best comparitive performance vs Rapi in shooting range I've gotten is with bunnies

This vs neutral because my Rapi's ele is way too high for fair comparison

[robust pewter]

If she’s not bugged, why meth suggested her to be much stronger?

[finite plover]

Diesel is:

• 2nd best Fire DPS outside Raid
• 2nd/3rd best Fire DPS inside Fire-weak Raid
• You can cope with her in Neutral (both Raid or outside Raid, I guess)
• 2nd best DPS in Elysion Tower for Bossing

Diesel must:

• Burst second.

Diesel needs:

• ELE, ATK OL are very important
• Crit is less important
• Resilience cube. Don't use anything else

Diesel pairs well with:

• ATK, Damage Taken, and Crit buffs

Diesel doesn't scale too well with:

• ATK DMG buffs, but Crown is still good because ATK buff
• Max Ammo/Reload Speed buffers

[silk oracle]

Poor compatibility with supports

Every DPS gains more from most meta supports than she does

[hollow kayak]

Standard DPS always get huge buffs to ban them from good teams

[silk oracle]

atk dmg buffs are basically useless to X Diesel

[hollow kayak]

So they're good for their SR to trick people into pulling and then new support comes out and she dies

[nocturne plume]

Now can u test
with 0 Support buffs

stuff like Nihilister B2

[silk oracle]

vs who, Rapi?

[floral falcon]

Elysion tower dps thats all i need to hear baby

[warm marlin]

is she actually good at pushing tower/campaign tho, seems doubtful

Elysion tower has besti and rapi b3 they really dont need anyone else

[silk oracle]

She can DoT every mob

[finite plover]

bossing

I mean can snipe boss with DoT

tbf

[silk oracle]

but yeah, VestiTU better for mobbing still

[finite plover]

the dmg is like

higher than SW on core anyway

[nocturne plume]

ur choice of comparison

[finite plover]

LMAO

[silk oracle]

I'll use Rapi for now

[finite plover]

but she must burst second

which is annoying for campaign

[silk oracle]

Bless Froline for giving us a cdr unit with literally 0 offensive buffs

[finite plover]

that means u need 4 rotations to get her burst again during boss wave

or u need a 3rd B3

Diesel is like Fire Raven

or Mihara

well a child of both

[fathom idol]

Diesel also niche?

[finite plover]

now her tier will be hard

[azure zenith]

ya, on paper, she's SSS, but realistically with the options she has, she's not, lol

[silk oracle]

To remind, 10/10/10 24% ATK Rapi vs 7/7/7 30% ATK X Diesel. Element irrelevant cuz tested vs neutral

[azure zenith]

that's actually pretty good all things considered

[silk oracle]

It is, yeah

[nocturne plume]

So this statement has 0 merit

[silk oracle]

?

No

[nocturne plume]

theres no support for any compatibility

[nocturne plume]

and she stilll underperforms

[silk oracle]

Rapi gains damage over X Diesel in this comp

She looks worse because Rapi gaining more from Siren/Crown/M Mast

[nocturne plume]

Core boss test

:/

[silk oracle]

Yeah, that's the main reason Rapi is doing so much better

[nocturne plume]

same question here
why is her power way <50% of rapi

[silk oracle]

If no core, it would be closer, but supports are still contributing a widening of damage

[azure zenith]

it's not even cope, she just doesn't work so well with the majority of meta supports

[silk oracle]

This is >50% of Rapi vs a boss with permanent core

And she's 7/7/7

[azure zenith]

diesel definitely has power if she got more raw atk buffers or something.

[hollow crest]

Can someone just cook in sg next week with tove brid diesel soline and drake

[azure zenith]

no.

while xbrid is one of her best supports

they're gonna have to be apart this raid

[silk oracle]

Gonna test vs Asuka now

[hollow rose]

diesel got 3 different sustained damage right?

• the every full burst 63.33% on stage target one
  and 2 from bursting B3 40sec cd
  where
• the 181% 9 sec is only for stage target
• for all enemies is only 18.43% 9 sec

[drowsy folio]

Feel like XDiesel is new Raven's best friend

[azure zenith]

yes

[drowsy folio]

[azure zenith]

that's why 3 numbers when diesel uses burst

there's no bug, all DoTs tick 9 times within 9s (8.5s, actually)

[silk oracle]

Yeah, Raven/X Diesel/Mihara seems like something we could see in iron-weak assuming we don't need healing (or use Nayuta as B2)

[hollow rose]

if stage target is not there then she only do 18.43% 9 sec sustained damage and 25.09% 10sec damage taken debuff to enemies at the time she burst

but all sustained damage gets her full self mega buffs

[drowsy folio]

I see the part break and dmg taken on burst

I think right about Raven

[drowsy folio]

Actually she's not that really good when with Mihara

Cause Mihara has to gain stack from the start again when Diesel bursts

Which is not to much value with the DMG taken

[silk oracle]

Hm? Why would Mihara lose stacks?

[drowsy folio]

Cause you burst Mihara

[azure zenith]

mihara always loses stacks when her burst is done

that's how it works

[silk oracle]

Why wouldn't you burst with Raven?

I put that order for a reason

Mihara last = not bursting

[azure zenith]

ah, so off-burst mihara

[drowsy folio]

If you don't need sustain, sure

[silk oracle]

Which is exactly what I wrote

[drowsy folio]

But I never think about non-sustain in these days anymore

[silk oracle]

Or use Nayuta in B2 for sustain

vs Asuka

[azure zenith]

zamn

[silk oracle]

Note that Asuka is C7

X Diesel is LB0

[azure zenith]

then again, asuka needs heal + shield for perma buff uptime

[silk oracle]

I'll probably MLB closer to end of banner, but more focused on Brid tbh

[azure zenith]

still, that's pretty crazy

what a shame xanne has 60s cd

xdiesel would appreciate 75% atk buff

[silk oracle]

Gonna try a dual B1 build with RH

Completely neutral

[hexed barn]

poor red hobo

[silk oracle]

Cindy did get an RH burst at the beginning since RH has the free refund, and otherwise it's C7 10/10/10 vs LB0 7/7/7 for the DPS units

Also have to keep in mind with the testing that we're not getting the extra sus dmg buff from breaking parts

vs Kraken, S6 clear

S7 clear on Indivilia Everyone died in the last 10s due to me just not paying attention to targeting

[hexed barn]

for one second i was like why is red hood dealing so much dmg

and then

[silk oracle]

Yeah, my impression from testing is that she's definitely an important unit to pick up, but rocks should either be mostly saved or are better used for Mihara and Rapi Heavy investment can wait until later when the meta is better for her

[inner crypt]

diesel stats?

[silk oracle]

40% ele, 30% atk, 7/7/7. SR15 doll, LB0

Rapi is

Core 3

[inner crypt]

danke

[hexed barn]

i got shafted so hard by her i am thinking of skipping brid or sth cuz i need pulls for tiddy star

140 for one diesel

[regal nova]

so pull or wait for new year ?

[silk oracle]

Unless you were sucked entirely dry by anni, pulling is advisable

If pulling can't get you 200 mileage for anni, then

[regal nova]

wait aa i cant see the pin logo

[night umbra]

click three dots and open in full view

or pins

[regal nova]

ahhh found it now thankss

[sacred lily]

Dupes needed? Or 1 copy is aight

[hollow kayak]

You need C7 or brick

[lone meteor]

Is she worth to pull or not

I feel like not

[sacred lily]

Wut

[lyric tundra]

can I finally trash my rei or is she still used?

nevermind, when buffing rrh, rei still better

48.2% attack damage buff

[ancient mango]

dupes never needed

[ancient mango]

yes

[frigid grove]

So... A mainstay on every raid from now on
Also limited

[lyric tundra]

where would deisel go tho

she gives less buffs than reit but has personal damage

but she also needs to burst to get her dmg taken thingy

[frigid grove]

Good thing dupes not neccesary

[maiden warren]

they are limited characters?

[lyric tundra]

seasonal

[maiden warren]

or she will be on standard too?

[lyric tundra]

nope

[maiden warren]

well o7 then

im not going to pull

[lyric tundra]

gasp

[vivid pendant]

Erm so if she's not limited, than you gonna pull?

[lyric tundra]

I cooked up a lil smth (no diesel icon yet)

I would hope so, at least

this does work tho, right?

I don't have srosanna built to buff diesel

[timid nimbus]

FIRST PULL!!

[granite grove]

We need her l2d bru

[silent schooner]

Funny you said that cause it's the same for me

[silk oracle]

Diesel self-buffs so hard that S Rosanna's useless

[obtuse igloo]

32% DMG taken up

[silk oracle]

That's fair, but Blanc is an option at that point, too

[tidal vale]

Can anyone give me TLDR to this unit? Pull or nah?

[nimble dome]

Check pin

[wheat cedar]

https://youtu.be/F17HQWT9tzI

[obtuse igloo]

i cant read

wat say

[wheat cedar]

Tldw is pretty much what we have been saying. That she doesn't have a good set of supporters yet, but she is the third best fire DPS in the game, so getting 1 copy is a no brainer

[hollow kayak]

Rem...

I don't feel so good ..

[obtuse igloo]

rem isnt good in 2025 anymore sadly

but there was my meme

cindy diesel ada rem

[hollow kayak]

But she's gonna get a RL to support and she'll be good soon

[obtuse igloo]

she has them

diesel cindy

[hollow kayak]

Rem is good

[obtuse igloo]

but how do u compare 50% caster's atk up in 2025

to bade

[hollow kayak]

[obtuse igloo]

[silk oracle]

Different account with both stronger Rapi and stronger Diesel

Rapi looks like this

X Diesel has 63.65% ele, 31.75% atk, 10/7/10

[azure zenith]

btw, who always got mmast buff

i found from my testing that xdiesel should always get mmast buff when applicable in this scenario

[silk oracle]

Was FA, so no one

[azure zenith]

aahhh, okay

[nimble dome]

@nimble adder

[onyx tiger]

Do we have a recommended skill investment yet for Diesel or still too early? Thinking maybe 10/7/10?

[river sentinel]

Let me see the kit again

[river sentinel]

Oh, in pins Snake already said 10/10/10

No wonder too

S1 is mega selfbuffing

S2 is mega selfbuffing

[onyx tiger]

Ah ty ty

[river sentinel]

Burst is AoE nuke (well, AoE dot?) + debuffing

25% dmg taken up

The only knock against Diesel that’s serious in any way is she’s RL

[west violet]

what are the skills?

[river sentinel]

S1: Camouflage
S2: Definitely Not Pinned
Burst: CHECK THE PINS

Dunno order of skills priority tho

[nimble dome]

feels like s1 is less significant than s2

[west violet]

bruh another 10/10/10

we 7/7/7 that shit

[river sentinel]

I mean, you can squeak by with 4/4/4 if you’re wanting to wait for others to test the pithole trap

OLs going to be the problem

[west violet]

nah i have enough to 10/10/10 like two characters

[obtuse igloo]

its a keep them all even angle to me

[river sentinel]

It usually comes down to which should get preferential treatment, S1 or S2, because Burst has its own mats

If can’t decide, toss a coin, I guess

[nimble dome]

s1 4->10 only gains like 6% crit dmg and 64% sus dmg on burst
s2 alone 7->10 is 10% sus dmg on breaking parts, 87% sus dmg all time and 9% dmg multiplier as sus dmg on burst

s1 7->10 is probably half of it

[obtuse igloo]

S1 increases its dot

[nimble dome]

dot multiplier on s2 no

[obtuse igloo]

There's a dot on s1

Isn't there

Like literally a dot not a multiplier

Or is that on s2

[nimble dome]

all s1 about is just intro and highlight buff

[obtuse igloo]

F

S2 is win then

[river sentinel]

Sounds like for S1/S2 mats, go S2 > S1

[nimble adder]

[undone sun]

wtf

why are the meth guy so high

she look so mid

where is the 1.5x mih

or 2.5x raven

[hexed barn]

Does it matter

Some whale will find an ingenious way to squeeze numbers out of her

Riiiiight after her banner is over

So give in to the fomo

And pull

[silk oracle]

We'll just get all ATK buffers for supports in 2026

[wheat cedar]

Can someone try for me.

Crown Miranda MiharaOS Diesel Dwife.

No worries about the OLs much on diesel, just make sure MiharaOS steals the buff.

Yes, burst mihara first.

Nvm got it

[obtuse igloo]

7/10/7 diesel water weak 30% atk in 2 min

shes also buffing raven/mihara by 22% on her burst

and range has core so mihara is getting extra vs diesel/raven doesnt shoot core with most of their dmg

[undone sun]

[obtuse igloo]

ide post my diesel but my blabla doesnt want to update

idk who did mihara math but shes around correct for the quick raven i did

[undone sun]

diesel atk ol?

[obtuse igloo]

my blabla wont update

[undone sun]

thx

[obtuse igloo]

each burst level gives 9% more dot dmg

so theres about 10% worth of final dps multiplier im missing there

[undone sun]

diesel is not added to blabla yet

[obtuse igloo]

9%/262.96% = .034
*3 = ~10%

[undone sun]

looks like i need to pull more and build her

[obtuse igloo]

mihara and raven accept alot of the meta buffers better than her tho

but she accepts things like ada

sros is ok cuz dmg taken up

brid/rem

[undone sun]

[obtuse igloo]

mmast/manchor r also really good for her

[undone sun]

we alrdy have a lot decent b2s why is rem even an option

[obtuse igloo]

for the memes

rem diesel cindy ada go

[undone sun]

[obtuse igloo]

i think an interesting idea in my head atm

is diesel rei mod

[undone sun]

[obtuse igloo]

u get caster's atk buffs from rei, rei and mod both take advantage of diesel's dmg taken up

during their non burst

and they accept atk up buffers well like liter

[undone sun]

maybe useable in SR

but in UR it is only using tier 0 unit tho

[obtuse igloo]

i think in casual UR people r running rapi + mihara right

[undone sun]

[obtuse igloo]

cuz they hit different elements each time

[undone sun]

even in top 20 unions ppl run rapi + mih

[obtuse igloo]

theres definately some that run mihara split no?

and hit 2x fire

[undone sun]

top 10 worlds maybe

and if fire is on lvl 4

[obtuse igloo]

but will have to see siren crown rapi diesel mmast

i think

i want to see the comp running cmc ccm focusing mast onto diesel

and vs rapi focusing mast on rapi(pretty sure its lower due to diesel losing dmg)

and vs mihara in the comp ccm each time

[undone sun]

[obtuse igloo]

cuz u get an extra 25% dmg taken up on rapi's non burst right

if equal dmg to mihara(which its likely slightly lower due to buffer diff) it would mean she beat mihara

cuz rapi would gain

[undone sun]

equal dmg to anything alrdy means she beat

coz she buffs team

not a lot of ppl building rn tho

just after anni

and just before ny unit

[obtuse igloo]

exactly

UR is really tough to break into but thats prob her best chance at it running cmc ccm

[undone sun]

in UR using crown and mast on fire is kinda uuh

low chance

[hexed barn]

Aren’t you big whel? You haven’t mlb’d her yet?

https://tenor.com/view/meme-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-dorothy-dorowhip-gif-13339968757220517040

[undone sun]

im f2p

just 1 copy

for now

cant go like a whale first pull then think

oh made a mistake just swipe

[obtuse igloo]

i pulled cuz i trusted my math

30 pull 1 nayuyu 1 diesel

su gave me early christmas present

[hollow kayak]

Why is this event 3 weeks

This isn't the limiteds

[obtuse igloo]

2 banners is always 3 week isnt it?

[obtuse igloo]

wym not the limiteds

[hexed barn]

Bru doesn’t know diesel and brid are limited?

[hollow kayak]

These hoes aren't 1%

Shift up too generous

[hexed barn]

Want 1% limited pilgrim again?

[obtuse igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956169630400016384/1443776839939002409/RDT_20251127_2032163931868013379842406.jpg?ex=6932df36&is=69318db6&hm=adbdf6a1aa004c512ff998c7be68c427e6ffa93630f95a7f2dd55e22e1051a2f&

[hexed barn]

Too much red

[obtuse igloo]

incase u didnt see it

[hexed barn]

Can’t read

[hollow kayak]

Wow

These units are really mid for limiteds

AAA ugly

Last year was hotter

[hexed barn]

Xmaiden

Some fyne shit right there

[lyric tundra]

How come? What about when paired with sbs like I do

[obtuse igloo]

The question is why is she paired with sbs

[lyric tundra]

Because I use the same 5 team setup, just with a few elemental changes

My p5 is sh*t for non-pierce nikkes, p1 has rei, leaving just sbs team

Can't fit another bursting b3 on sg or Cindy team

[obtuse igloo]

cindy has been floating in the top end of raiders

[lyric tundra]

It gets me 2-3% every SR so I'm fine

Idc about 1%

I might naturally get there one day

[obtuse igloo]

i mean sbs probably cant leave lib's side regardless or doesnt want to at the very least

ide rather dismantle cindy team even 2b cindy > full electric last few fire sr

but its up to u

[lyric tundra]

Oh fr?

Replace sanis with diesel?

[obtuse igloo]

last time cindy was with vesti, before that it was 2b (for whales)

[lyric tundra]

But then... Ok I need to put dkw on sbs team

[granite grove]

I'm like 90% sure Cindy is dedge for neutral now, is she not

[obtuse igloo]

this was gluttony

[obtuse igloo]

im pretty sure my cindy beat my vesti tbf

[lyric tundra]

Oh I have vesti but I don't rly care about pvp so I didn't build her

[obtuse igloo]

but my vesti kinda sux

[wheat cedar]

Mine does

[lyric tundra]

Also I have no locks to reroll

[granite grove]

Hmm yeah ig the last teams are a bit awkward when Mihara is in the main team

[obtuse igloo]

i mean theyre examples of cindy team dropping electric for element

[lyric tundra]

Mhm... Hm hm

I need to test ig

[obtuse igloo]

do u think

train will have pierceable core

or whoever we're fighting

if its not train su is commiting crimes again tbf

we're on a train

[granite grove]

Maybe

[obtuse igloo]

how can we not fight train

???

[granite grove]

But it doesn't matter does it

Fire teams don't have a ton of flexibility

[obtuse igloo]

doesnt it tho

i think the diff is ill use asuka or not

if asuka gets core hit and some random dingus doesnt

asuka alice

[granite grove]

Asuka buffs core damage but if only she hits

Oh yeah ig

Alice asuka

[lyric tundra]

My asuka is also dog poop

[obtuse igloo]

gave alice asuka triple core stall?

[lyric tundra]

Damn :C

[obtuse igloo]

then u go diesel rei mod with a better b2 for diesel?

[lyric tundra]

Who goes with rrh on the main team

[obtuse igloo]

funnel rapi

[lyric tundra]

Ok so what I have rn

[obtuse igloo]

holdup

tia naga alice asuka

is it a worthy thought?

extra 30% ele for asuka from tia, recovery spam

stall p1 for core

[granite grove]

I don't think so

Grave

Like

Mari even

Tiga is dead

[obtuse igloo]

maybe

[faint swan]

I think vesti might be cooked

[obtuse igloo]

i thought vesti was cooked when it was her raid

[hexed barn]

Don’t remind me

The bullshit it took to do the qte while she ran outta ammo

[lyric tundra]

SR5 should be fine

she isn't universal enough for SR15

is 1x atk, 3x ele, 1x ammo, 1x cr, 1x cs, enough

for minimal invest

[wheat cedar]

It literally only took 1 volley

[hexed barn]

I had a vesti only team and the 5 qte circles near the end killed my soul

[wheat cedar]

Her burst was less than 7?

[hexed barn]

she shoots only 4 then does a small “reload”

[wheat cedar]

Might have just been a blast radius issue

[hexed barn]

I got fucked during that

[wheat cedar]

I only had to do that once

That's why I am saying it only took 1 volley/4shots

My vesti was 4/10/8 tho

[hexed barn]

mine was 777 I guess

still is

[wheat cedar]

Yup, sounds like a blast radius issue then

[jovial delta]

Yay or nay?

Brid looks like a good pull

Dot imo looks underwhelming

[undone sun]

This diesel thread

So u asking for her or bird?

[jovial delta]

The derpy doro goes so hard

Asking for diesel

Their both limited right? So wanna know if diesel worth especially if imma go for brid

[weary hedge]

Limited unit should get 1 copy anyways

She’s good but not really a must build unless ur competitive on fire

[warm marlin]

maintenance in 1hr30 min

Inb4 diesel get nerfed

Dmg too high unintended

[regal nova]

if i say i skip these two units and pull for new year... will i became a meta slave

[warm marlin]

Meta slave pulls all 3

Not skip

[vivid pendant]

Knowing SU they just acknowledge the bug just like Cindy's bug

[lone merlin]

[leaden ridge]

whats ur diesel stats like

[lone merlin]

LB0, 84.42% Ele, 21.51% Atk, 7-10-10 atm

My Rapipi's Ele is lower so.... yeah

[leaden ridge]

naruhodo

yeh i know bcs ur rapi doing abt the same as me while im lower sync

[lone merlin]

Gotta reroll that helmet eventually

[weary hedge]

gotta put a disclaimer on that screenshot

misinfo making diesel look as good as rapi

[nimble dome]

Core hit?

[obtuse igloo]

is that running cmc ccm?

[lone merlin]

ccm

[obtuse igloo]

can u try with cmc ccm to funnel ur mast bursts onto diesel

and compare

total dmg

[lone merlin]

Aight, wait

[lone merlin]

100m diff

[wheat cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012288696336273428/1446326632989196379/HELLNAH.gif

[hollow kayak]

The game eosed

Diesel killed it

[vivid pendant]

Whu blabla still don't have Diesel...

[vivid pendant]

Ok diesel's data just got added to blabla

[warm marlin]

Diesel no nerf so this is her intended power level

[left bluff]

late reply but here

[hollow kayak]

It's over

Diesel skip

[upper crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1445576042172387358/1446326702710980833/Screenshot_20251205_102404_NIKKE.jpg?ex=69339435&is=693242b5&hm=d31dcd8fcefae2bf7cc4f27fd6796c4b487bd46871bb33b7be476f020c414f42&=&format=webp&width=339&height=735

stop skipping

you are not a skipper

[zinc bear]

skip 🤡

[obtuse igloo]

skip so i can get easier rankings

[nimble dome]

Rapipi core hit or no?

[upper crag]

she wants a lot

[nimble dome]

I mean did you aim core in that mock or off core as much as possible?

[upper crag]

idk, I don't even upgrade her yet

[obtuse igloo]

its this post up here

[upper crag]

if you ask me about Noname sword

or Noname Spear I can answer

https://tenor.com/view/where-winds-meet-gif-678360329925525318

[junior loom]

OL lines for her ?

i dont trust pin

[wheat cedar]

just atk and ele

Crit if you are lucky

[silk oracle]

She's like Mihara where ATK has dramatic increases

[runic trail]

not that bad tho

[silk oracle]

OL lines for both?

[zinc bear]

505k cp

[runic trail]

rapi 108/45
diesel 102/48

[silk oracle]

Interesting. And how are dupes?

That's the best ratio I've seen so far 👀

Wondering if her base ATK just needs to get pumped up a lot

[runic trail]

c7 rapi and c6 diesel

[silk oracle]

Ah yeah, so lots of dupes Thanks for the report

[runic trail]

diesel missed one extra FB btw cuz bad burst gen for this team

[silk oracle]

I think most of the tests we've seen were with LB0 or MLB, so good to see the ratio tighten up a bit at higher dupes

[undone sun]

So diesel is like mih and rapi

But needs heavy investment

[upper crag]

all Fire God need heavy investment whatchu mean

[quartz marsh]

isn't diesel also buffing up rapi in that team?

[undone sun]

No resources to invest

[gentle loom]

Limited or will she come to common pull?

[silk oracle]

Limited

Just like Brid

[gentle loom]

Thanks!

[white raft]

1 copy and chuck a few rocks at her for me.. cba to invest heavily in fire units outside rapi/mihara.. hopefully anis is electric or wind

[sick silo]

S1 S2 or burst first to 10?

If u low on resources atm💀

[white raft]

anis + treasure units inc.. hopefully we get more then 1 decent treasure this time 🙄

[hollow kayak]

These hoes are so mid everyone thinks there not limited

[silk oracle]

Which is odd since most seasonal units are mid

[white raft]

honestly soline is the best unit out of the 3 to me at least.. shame brid looks hot.. soline looks like a kid

[silk oracle]

X Maiden, X Lud, and S Doro are the only generally strong seasonal units. The rest or niche or worse

[white raft]

X rupee sucking.. what a waste

[hollow kayak]

They may be mid but they are hot

These two look like regular units

[silk oracle]

[hollow kayak]

They don't have the special 🌠 look

[white raft]

diesel in particular is very mid looking for xmas

[silk oracle]

X Lud doesn't particularly look like a special unit either imo

Her normal form actually looks more wintery

[white raft]

xlud clears these bums

[silk oracle]

Also, the more horny the design, usually the worse the kit

[dreamy spoke]

Sanis also amazing in design and usage

[hexed barn]

The rarest time where coom and cook collided

[silk oracle]

S Anis is one of the least horny swimsuit units tho

[hexed barn]

And her lobby is so tragic

[glad isle]

David did u test siren crown rrh diesel mihara?

[hollow kayak]

She's there for unattractive fat pig enjoyers

[silk oracle]

I mean more that she's wearing more clothing than majority of them

Look at S Rosanna

[quartz marsh]

so normal anis fans

[hollow kayak]

Yes

[runic trail]

1b~ less than running mihara/mmast

[glad isle]

Ty!

[finite plover]

Look at these people testing on core bosses.

@obtuse igloo

Which inflate RRH's damage A LOT.

I have seen ZERO non-core test.

In which Diesel will likely fuck Rapipi anyway.

The tests are therefore:

• Valid but irrelevant.

You're not hitting core on Alteisen with RRH.

[finite plover]

Can you run the same team but replace Diesel with XMaiden,
to see how much damage Diesel improves for RRH?

[ancient mango]

diesel indi clear when

[finite plover]

Not MiharaBC because Mihara will trigger Siren's S2 burst gen, so there is a small discrepancy.

Also this means Diesel shits on RRH on non-core.

SSS tier unit.

[granite grove]

Isn't she bugged

[inner crypt]

Rapi hits parts on train boss

[ancient mango]

no idea

[inner crypt]

Go build her

[granite grove]

Uhuh

SS boss sure but that's all

[finite plover]

SSS

Unless your tier list is fixed.

[granite grove]

Stop trolling

[finite plover]

[granite grove]

But yeah Cindy going SS too

[finite plover]

Better damage than Rapipi on non-core.

[undone sun]

Can she b1?

[finite plover]

And Mihara too, I guess.

[finite plover]

Ok, sir, let me tell you, she gives DAMAGE TAKEN.

[undone sun]

No resources to build anything

Between anni and ny

Rn

[finite plover]

She is the best in-burst Neutral unit now.

Iykyk, no more Raven on neutral.

Oh, wait...

Nah... it's gonna be Liter Nayuta Raven Diesel Mihara.

Fucking hell.

I know it.

I can smell it.

From 30000000 meters away.

[undone sun]

Raven alrdy has a lot less usage the past few sr tho

[finite plover]

SSS tier unit:

• Fucks bursting Raven (Raven can off-burst though)
• Gives Damage Taken; can buff ANYONE with good off-burst damage.
• Best non-core damage given appropriate support.
• But can't off-burst like Mihara, which is a HUGE LOSS but whatever.

[undone sun]

[granite grove]

The damage taken is the only thing but she only gives damage taken if SHE is bursting

[finite plover]

You know...

Not bursting with her is a dumb thing to do anyway.

The thing is she is better than Raven in DPS, and buffs anyone but Raven doesn't.

That powercreeps bursting Raven on Neutral already.

If Raven is in SS, there's no way Diesel is in SS.

[undone sun]

Both ss

Neutral is dying anyway

[finite plover]

Diesel is better than Raven.

[undone sun]

What element still use it? Wind and water?

[granite grove]

She isn't Rapi level and she doesn't have Mihara flexibility

[finite plover]

Shooting Range doesn't have this too.

And you all test WITH core.

Which is all against her.

[granite grove]

That's like saying sbs and lib aren't on the same tier cuz lib buffs sbs

[finite plover]

Ok, this only gives her Idk 6% more damage but whatever.

[granite grove]

Even tho both have same dps

[finite plover]

?

[granite grove]

Yeah this doesn't even exist in 10/12 raids

[finite plover]

She is definitely not Rapi level or Mihara flexible.

But she deserves SSS.

[inner crypt]

90% of fire bosses have core

[finite plover]

How about we all assuming core existing cus tests are done on Shooting Range?

[finite plover]

Ziz doesn't.

Gluttony doesn't.

Indivilia has sure.

Alteisen is inaccessible by RRH or Mihara.

Union Raid is whatever ShiftUp wants.

[inner crypt]

Indivilia is naturally iron weak boss

Hey you dont care UR, good for you, still 90% of fire weak bosses have core

[finite plover]

Wdym.

Ziz and Gluttony don't.

That's definitely not 90%.

Alteisen is inaccesible we don't count that shit.

So your statement is invalid.

More like all Anomaly Intercept bosses have core.

Diesel requires more investments than Mihara* but less than Rapipi*.

[hollow kayak]

it's over

skip

[zinc bear]

manual siren. non core test

[zinc bear]

but you are hitting parts. +damage for rapi anyway

[runic trail]

rrh not much, but mihara gets a nice sum

I personally agree that she deserves SS tier, no more than that, I mean she's better than mihara under ideal conditions (~10% better), and she's defo a top 3 pick for non-core bosses even outside element adv, altho having to use her burst second always w/o flex possibility and loads of attack damage buff is a big drawback

[silk oracle]

SS is where I'm placing her in my raid tier list as well

[runic trail]

did some tests here, she is defo better than rapi on non core imo, if wasnt for crown buffing rapi more than diesel

[faint swan]

nonetheless, best burst ever

[wheat cedar]

And this also doesnt take in mind the extra sus buff you will get from destroying parts right?

[faint swan]

whats the "sus buff"

is she bugged ?

[wheat cedar]

Sustained buff

She gets more sus damage % when her or someone else destroys a part

[faint swan]

isn't that buff 3-5% ish

[wheat cedar]

No

[faint swan]

I mean at total becuase it gets dilluted a lot

[unborn wind]

dam nice typo SU

I too would like more damane

[wheat cedar]

Typo? On SU?

[wheat cedar]

In that sense yes

[faint swan]

the way you asked, that felt like its an 30% total diff or something

context matters I guess

[runic trail]

yep

[zinc bear]

yes, with equal investment diesel better on non core, no parts bosses. but crown buff both in about the same way. Projectile damage buffs are also heavily diluted

[runic trail]

yeah true, but that's only part of her damage, iirc over 30% of rapi damage is just her basic atk, unlike diesel who's 100% skill reliant and needs her buffs to do any dmg

if that was a real problem then we wouldnt see peeps pairing rei with rapi eg

[finite plover]

Why youd change MastM to Mihara though

[finite plover]

6% is a lot

[finite plover]

good test

although MIhara would deal more

if she bursts...

because its crown

interesting

so Mihara > Diesel > Rapipi?

you can try another team

like the Maids

just run something like

Siren Mast Anchor Rapipi Diesel

sorry for troubling u but ure the only one with equal investments in both

[runic trail]

like this ? managed to do all 14 fb, i did manual them to avoid hitting the core btw, if core mihara does like 5% more dmg than diesel (shes also taking the atk damage buff from thelm tho)

[runic trail]

full auto on rapi team

[hollow kayak]

How is Mihara beating rapi 🥀

[weary hedge]

need a ol check on these units

[finite plover]

Interesting.

So overall Diesel deals slightly less team damage even in this team.

What's your Mihara OL?

So... stronger than Mihara a bit but can't off-burst.

Rapi gained 3-4% damage.

[runic trail]

c4 102/47

[finite plover]

Ooo.

She is more invested then.

Diesel is better.

Mihara loses.

[runic trail]

actually my diesel is slightly more invested 104/48 c6

[finite plover]

Also a bit.

[finite plover]

Oh.

Ok.

Then initial conclusion remains.

SS-SSS tier is hard to decide here.

[granite grove]

Imo she should be SS tier, I think Rapi having 2 elements created a huge slot pressure gap that no one can compete with apart from Mihara, cuz Mihara competes in a gap where there's basically nobody

And I also feel like diesel is not improving the current fire meta as much as I thought she would

Maybe I'm wrong idk

[upper crag]

SS

fire god true but not as flexible as Mihara or Rapi

as I previously stated, Fire Raven

[finite plover]

I disagree if Cindy is still there.

Unless you demote Cindy at the same time, nah.

[granite grove]

She won't be there either

[granite grove]

Yeah, that's obvious

[finite plover]

Because your ETA is New Year, she is going SSS.

If you want her SS, go wrap it up.

[granite grove]

Just demote Cindy rn

I'll try to do stuff tonight

[finite plover]

I need Cindy vs Diesel damage test.

I need Campaign and PvP info.

Is she just shit?

Probably usable but not good.

• LD: S?
• HD: A
• Bossing: SS
• PvP: A

Need someone to test how good she is at sniping bosses.

[crude night]

so what happened to that insane damage numbers you guys were calculating before? Reality caught up?

[granite grove]

They are insane wdym

SS tier is now really high tier units we scaled the TL down to basically show 3 things
Siren is best b1, crown is best B2, and Rapi is best b3

But she's a sustained damage unit who can I guess also buff the damage dealt to enemies during her burst so she's usable in campaign

[crude night]

not enough for SSS in bossing still?

[granite grove]

Yeah cuz Rapi is just better imo

[crude night]

ah youre only allowing 1 sss per section?

[upper crag]

Rapi wins in more situation than Diesel.

• Core
• With Diesel (free 27% dmg up)
• Not Attack Damage tolerance like Diesel
• Can even act as B1 (actually she starts losing her place in neutral as B3 DPS too)

Diesel:

• Need to burst
• Attack Damage ha ha

But no core she is Mihara if not better

still, Mihara also wins more than Diesel on

• Crit afk team
• No burst position

so yeah, Diesel is Fire Raven, just a stronger Raven

that alone is insane enough, considering most of the time they only release non 1% unit as S tier DPS (Bready, Eve, Ein etc...)

[crude night]

Ic Ic, full review in 10 minutes?

[crude night]

Cant you test this yourself?

[hollow kayak]

does the rei team even print enough burst?

i usually run alice there just to pew pew

[lone merlin]

[hexed barn]

Rapipi washed

Dead unit

[lone merlin]

Back to the chair she goes

[hexed barn]

How’s your diesel ol and rapi ol

mihara too I guess

That way can see a fair comparison

[hollow kayak]

Bready has a bleed buff that's not sustained damage

so it shouldn't inflate her like diesel

[lone merlin]

My Rapi's Ele is a mid 💀

And I'm out of rocks rn to reroll for a 4th ele on her helmet

[hexed barn]

Damn it’s a good time to put Midhara to sleep

[silk oracle]

Easy: Anchor first

[hollow kayak]

but why

[strange gust]

Isn't that Rapi is B1

[hexed barn]

Oh right nvm

[undone sun]

I want to skip building this unit

[floral falcon]

So no core equal/better than midhara and rapi?

[finite plover]

Fire Cindy*

not Fire Raven

Has no dmg if not bursting

[finite plover]

Diesel wins if bursting

almost all the time anyway

[floral falcon]

I got 140 rocks and a dream

[finite plover]

Diesel powercreeps Raven actually

[floral falcon]

Brid probably not ol dependent right

[finite plover]

haha

funny

look at this guy

[floral falcon]

[finite plover]

save for Anis