[Diesel: Winter Sweets] New Unit Megathread

[hollow kayak]

It's 1000% extra damage

So 1 more x

[zinc bear]

exactly

[nocturne plume]

Then again
9s, could mean 10 instances of damage
EDIT: Vid effect could vary

[zinc bear]

[dreamy spoke]

Damare!

[nocturne plume]

Ok

I might be into schizo territory
but in the Vid

the effects

are not triggering at 1.0s interval

It looks like 1 damage per 1.4s

bruh

[dreamy spoke]

Raven all over again?

[nocturne plume]

First effect starts at 9.80s
second effect at 8.40s
Third effect at 7.0s

[vivid pendant]

Burst said every 1s...

[nocturne plume]

from FB start to 5.60, only 4 instances

[nocturne plume]

Next instance

[dreamy spoke]

So... this must be why the numbers were massive... same like raven

[dreamy spoke]

Now they gotta hotfix and apologems and make raven 2.0

[hexed barn]

lol can’t wait to see her real damage output

[cerulean arch]

I’m still surprised that the RL thing wasn’t a mistake for her AK-50.

[hollow kayak]

Maybe they don't have fps fix enabled

[hollow kayak]

"nihilister gets nerfed again"

[robust pewter]

Is SU allergic to DoT mechanics? Mihara, Raven and now XDiesel all have weird DoT mechanics

[nocturne plume]

need self-cucking mechanics
else the power will be too high

[hexed barn]

save gems for tiddy star

[hollow kayak]

Only if she's fat

She's currently ruined

[inner crypt]

Damn Grom Vs coomcord

[misty basin]

Is it worth going for her or no?

[undone sun]

.

[ancient mango]

yes

[nocturne plume]

Water Element

[nocturne plume]

Yeah If you count

there are only 7 instances of effects

for this " 9s duration burst "

[hollow kayak]

It's probably unintended

Ai code

And then they didn't notice her and buffed her numbers

[finite plover]

That's true Sir.

1.8x SW without buffs and WITH core.

And without parts.

And without damage distance.

She must Burst to deal damage

so Mihara is better in that

Other than that she is the most picky unit in game

50% atk dmg is 5% dmg boost

less than that actually

lol

but 50% atk is 50% dmg boost

[hollow kayak]

New self harm technique dropped

[finite plover]

she is:

• OL dependent (similar to MiharaBC but more because MIharaBc can still scale with ATK DMG buffs, where Diesel can't)
• support dependent (they can give ATK DMG buffs but prioritize Damage Taken, Crits, and ATK)

[hollow kayak]

Miranda rapi diesel Mihara

Then you need Mihara to have highest attack but less than rapi while she's bursting

Does Miranda crit rate work on rapi detonations before she spends a bullet?

[runic trail]

it seems that she cant pair with miranda

[silk oracle]

The point of having Mihara with highest attack would be that giving Diesel 100% isn't necessary

Mihara would get it

Just making use of Miranda's burst which affects 2 targets

in that way, Miranda could work

[finite plover]

no crit buff is fked though

just use crown + mastm

bruh

[silk oracle]

Tho I think she's better as damage-dealing Eve for Rapi in Crown comp

[hollow kayak]

Use ninja Delta

[hollow kayak]

Where do you use eve then

She's a bottom

[finite plover]

what

this is fire weak

tf is eve doing

eve is best in iron weak ofc

[hollow kayak]

O

[silk oracle]

How did you both misreead that

Same role

[finite plover]

no i think u just phrased ur msg badly

[silk oracle]

Never said using Eve

[finite plover]

if both of us misread that

no?

[hollow kayak]

[finite plover]

whats the chance

if I type something and 100 people get confused, its their fault?

[silk oracle]

Except what I used is incredibly an incredibly common device in English

I didn't say "better than Eve"

[finite plover]

Guys.

Can you time Mihara's Burst not to collide with Indivilia's dispel?

I know Diesel CAN be dispelled.

But Diesel doesn't suffer from dispels as much as Mihara.

The only thing that matters is NOT Bursting when her dispel shield is up.

Because Diesel deals 5-6x more damage during her Burst.

More if she is with Crown.

It will require certain rotation tech here. Like how long you have to delay QTE ig.

[finite plover]

You said "as"

• Tho I think she's better as a damage-dealing Eve for Rapi in Crown comp

Fixed.

Hang on a sec.

Nah your sentence was right but its confusing as f

• Tho I think she's better as damage-dealing Eve for Rapi in Fire-weak

Fixed.

[silk oracle]

I just omitted a single "a"

[finite plover]

Nu uh, I fixed it twice.

[silk oracle]

Changing Crown-Comp to Fire-weak changes nothing

[finite plover]

Guys, what if Diesel is SSS?

[finite plover]

It makes it clear

[vivid pendant]

Does diesel deal more damage without a buffer vs Midhara with crown?

[finite plover]

because no one uses Eve in Fire weak

[silk oracle]

That's the point

I never implied anyone does

[finite plover]

If you say Crown comp that's useless info attached

[silk oracle]

No, that's where she goes

Like Eve

[finite plover]

Yes but everyone knows that

[silk oracle]

No they don't

[finite plover]

Ok then

• Tho I think she's better as damage-dealing Eve for Rapi in Crown team in Fire-weak

Done.

[silk oracle]

Literally the same thing grammatically

[finite plover]

Wdym Diesel without a buffer.

Crown buffs Diesel.

Also damage taken from Siren.

And ATK and Crit Rate from MastM.

[vivid pendant]

Just comparing her own dmg vs midhara+buffer

[finite plover]

Also MastM Burst gives tons of ATK.

^ might want to align it with Diesel

Hmm

ofc with buffer Mihara wins

but in Siren Crown MastM team

actually Im not sure

lmao

Similar?

Iirc Gatrix said Diesel has more damage on core and non core

But MIhara scales with atk dmg better

[vivid pendant]

I see it as diesel has so much damage baked into her kit, that even with substandard buffers she outdps almost all other

[finite plover]

Shes not a lot of dmg

First of all her % is low

its just she has too much atk dmg

BMilk stuff

[silk oracle]

Compared to most fire DPS, she has a ton of damage

[finite plover]

actually Bmilk is no longer the pickiest unit in game

and Doropity

that title goes to Diesel now

[vivid pendant]

She rivals 1% banner dps

[finite plover]

shit 920% ATK DMG without parts and 1000% with Parts

[silk oracle]

Asuka and Alice need pierce to apply their damage. If they remove core for train, those two are going to suffer

[finite plover]

Wild

[vivid pendant]

Or even more

[finite plover]

She somewhat deserves SSS

but her use case doesnt

cus Mihara can be used offburst

Diesel can't

[silk oracle]

Trony and/or Crust has always been the most picky unit in the game. We just don't have to use them.

[finite plover]

That's the only problem imo

Raven can offburst

Diesel can't

Its actually a quite major problem

[vivid pendant]

1000% att dmg x 265% is still ridiculous dps even with small multiplier

On top of the 25% debuff

[finite plover]

Yes shes SSS

but...

Idk

She will be the new Neutral God

respectfully

[vivid pendant]

I think she's high floor even higher ceiling?

[finite plover]

SBS + Lib are the neutral duo

[vivid pendant]

Cos att just buffs her so much

[finite plover]

Diesel is the neutral solo

[silk oracle]

Neutral god = risk of extinction

[finite plover]

Rapipi will feel shit without reload speed

[silk oracle]

For raids, at least

[finite plover]

Rapipi with rload speed will beat Diesel I think

Rapipi without reload spd will lose

Same as Mihara

[silk oracle]

The fact that her DoT hits all enemies is pretty nuts for mobbing tho

[finite plover]

ok that DoT is very small

surely 18% DoT * 11x will kill anyone

[silk oracle]

It helps chip away at least

Will that generate burst?

[finite plover]

Its just ATK DMG-diluted 200% per sec

[vivid pendant]

Elysion monopolising top dps units

[silk oracle]

Oh wait, nvm, that's burst skill

[finite plover]

which is not amazing but it works

[silk oracle]

Yeah, where's the Missilis love?

We need new Matis

[vivid pendant]

Elysion tower went from bs to joke and now with diesel

[finite plover]

That will be Maxwell treasure

we are bound to get her

[vivid pendant]

Maybe next batch

[silent schooner]

Now it's Pilgrim Tower tier of easy

[finite plover]

Diesel Preliminary Ratings
Campaign (LD): A/S
Campaign (HD): A/S
Bossing: SSS
PvP: A

If my math serves right (or Gatrix's, I guess).

[silent schooner]

So a must pull

What's her OL lines?

4 Atk 4 Ele 2 ammo 2 crit chance?

[finite plover]

4 atk 4 ele 4 crit rate best

just use another unit as burst gen

not worth wasting 2 lines

[silk oracle]

Highly doubt it's worth going past 8 lines, especially since ATK is basically mandatory for her

[finite plover]

its worth

but

[silk oracle]

Biggest bait ever before NY

[silent schooner]

4 atk 4 ele then?

[silk oracle]

[finite plover]

Nayu and Lib ate a lot

I didnt want to invest last raid

[silent schooner]

Liberalio sucked me off dry

[finite plover]

but

[silk oracle]

The amount of rocks to get 4x crit rate is definitely not worth unless lucky with rolls

or if a fire-weak main

then worth if everyone's cope for water or water/electric is real for OS Anis

[silent schooner]

Water/Elec would be funny

inb4 Wind

If Anis Star Light is Wind, istg someone at SU really hates Kraken AI so much it keeps inventing new ways to violate the damn thing

[silk oracle]

As long as her double element doesn't overlap with Rapi's, she'd still end up basically mandatory for heavy investment

[vivid pendant]

Reenter B3 wind

[silk oracle]

Re-enter B3 with 250% ATK self-buff for 3s

[finite plover]

Water

for sure

Im just thinking

Diesel might be BiS against Indivilia if we can timing tech her

to avoid Bursting during Indivilia shield

[vivid pendant]

Add in +50% teamwide buff elem as strong damage too

[finite plover]

hey that's 25% damage taken

for Rapipi

Nice :delusweat:

oh wait

Im not in the server

sad

[silk oracle]

Gotta get back to the SI days of 7s clears

[silent schooner]

*Universal strong elem buff

[vivid pendant]

Flex slot niikes in shambles

[silent schooner]

What's the fastest record of murdering Kraken?

[finite plover]

Deals 300% elemental damage.

Anis kit

The only skill she has

[silk oracle]

No idea, tho most people just S7 and suicide/exit afaik

[finite plover]

• Upon attacking a stage target. Gain 5000% elemental damage for 3s.

[silk oracle]

No need to actually kill the boss

[finite plover]

ok no that will make pvp stupid

[silent schooner]

pvp is stupid anyway, nothing much will be missed

You're either vet who stayed at your rank because of how it works

or you're a whale outstripping vets simply by money power alone

[finite plover]

What is Snake typing

also pin is incomplete skill

[silent schooner]

or you could be both and no one could challenge your position

[finite plover]

anyway

PLS ATTACH IMAGES AND NOT LINKS

[silk oracle]

I'm a vet and whale and still don't get into CA because I'm just too lazy to fight people who are logged in 24/7 to hit me back when I drop them

[granite grove]

TLDR
Diesel is a Sustained Damage type Fire DPS that will majorly play a role in assisting her team's damage dealt. She will probably not be used outside of Fire Bossing.

Must pull for Fire-Weak Raid tryhards.

General consensus: Don't skip even if you don't care about Fire-weak; just build her a bit (no need to overinvest). One copy is recommended for Raiders and also Brid.

[finite plover]

Dont listen to this guys

This will not last

Trust me shes SSS

Pull or regret

[granite grove]

Yeah bro she will be doing 1.5× Mihara damage and break the game bro

[finite plover]

Seasonal unit

[granite grove]

Very true for an xMas limited unit

[finite plover]

She deals more than Mihara on core

and gives dmg taken

what else do u want

[silk oracle]

but she has to burst

That's important

[granite grove]

Flexibility bru, no use for people who don't play fire

[finite plover]

yes thats true she has to Burst

but not having her

fucks ur Fire weak raid

till u build her

u cant even top 200

lmao

[silk oracle]

Mihara would have <40% usage if you only counted on-burst

[granite grove]

Can someone go and reply to the top message if they're on pc?

[silk oracle]

t

[granite grove]

Thanks mate

[silk oracle]

Sorry for ping, Frankyub

[finite plover]

"mate"

Snake is angry

[finite plover]

he only uses mate when he's angry

[ancient mango]

snake is british

[finite plover]

Forgive me Snake

[granite grove]

DW he doesn't bite

[finite plover]

I am sorry

[granite grove]

Practicing for the unfortunate future

[finite plover]

I didn't mean to attack you

I was just joking about

your suggestion being wrong

although I do disagree with it

[granite grove]

On what though

[finite plover]

[granite grove]

Where is she going to be used other than fire bossing

[finite plover]

"Technically skippable for anyone else. One copy is recommended for Raiders, but not over Brid."

This of course.

[silk oracle]

I think the fact that's she's limited still makes her not skippable

unless people are intentional skipping fire

[hollow kayak]

wtf brid is good now?

scam

[granite grove]

Well brid is not bad

[finite plover]

"Don't skip even if you don't care about Fire-weak; just build her a bit (no need to overinvest). One copy is recommended for Raiders and also Brid."

[granite grove]

More atk over 10s burst than liter

• damage taken

[silk oracle]

Nah, if you don't care about fire-weak at all, then she's definitely skippable

[granite grove]

Diesel is first, right?

[silent schooner]

What's the Brid comp again? Tove/XBrid/SDoro/DrakeT/XSoline?

[finite plover]

at all

is different

[silk oracle]

but most people are probably trying to top 3%

so they'll want her

[finite plover]

also shes BiS fire now

[hollow kayak]

it's attack share on a support, the real number is like half

[ancient mango]

if you click at the very top (above the thread title) it brings you to first message
on my version at least

[finite plover]

generic fire weak unit

[granite grove]

Updated

[silk oracle]

Skipping X Diesel is basically the same as skipping Wasuka

except she'll at least come back in a year

[finite plover]

no

[hollow kayak]

eva 3 soon 🤢

[silk oracle]

and be powercrept by that point

[finite plover]

not anymore

[silent schooner]

So basically an Arms Race

[granite grove]

It doesn't for me

Phone diffed

[silk oracle]

? Wasuka still 100% mandatory for wind-weak

[finite plover]

missing wasuka was dumb

[finite plover]

lib took 2 wind bis dps

[silk oracle]

Um

[finite plover]

lib sbs outside raid

[granite grove]

Wdym bruh he meant SR

[finite plover]

now its rapipi diesel

[silent schooner]

Lib freed Wasuka to be paired with Rei T

[hollow kayak]

i'm him

[finite plover]

mihara replacved

[granite grove]

And well UR by definition is going to be SR as well

Sooner or later

[silk oracle]

Wasuka/ReiTN basically tied SBS/Lib cuz Siren/Crown stonks

[hollow kayak]

they're gonna add super raid where you run 10 teams

[finite plover]

so diesel is best in nonraid bossing

[silent schooner]

in 5 years, maybe

[silk oracle]

Ah yeah, I meant raids, not hard campaign

I always forget that campaign has a meta

[silent schooner]

Campaign meta is a joke

[silk oracle]

cuz for me it's just Rapi/VestiTU then just have fingers for boss

[silent schooner]

Basically you just replace your DPS with ele weak stages appropriately

[silk oracle]

Nah, I busted through Ch 34-newest chapters only using those two

[silent schooner]

Siren/Crown/MMast or HelmT

[silk oracle]

Only switched elements for bosses

[silent schooner]

Then slot in your DPS of choice

[vivid pendant]

How is diesel remotely even a skip?

[silk oracle]

If fire-weak is a dump element

and you spent all resources on anni units

[silent schooner]

If you don't give a shit to SR and don't want to deal with Fire raid

[silk oracle]

Skipping NY unit is likely more dangerous overall

[vivid pendant]

Than every new unit can be skipped

[ancient mango]

till you gotta hit fire weak in UR stage 4

[silent schooner]

Anis Star Light is looming upon us

[silk oracle]

The only people who skipped Rapi are lunatics

or new players who joined after her

[vivid pendant]

If definition of not caring about raid, than rapi is also skippable

[silent schooner]

Who even skipped her?

[vivid pendant]

Campaign is anything goes

[silk oracle]

I said not caring about fire-weak specifically

[silent schooner]

Her kit is busted combined with dual element advantage

[silent schooner]

Until you have to deal with pushing Hard Mode as far as you can go

[silk oracle]

I go by the philosophy of having a primary element, secondary element, two semi-care elements, and one "skip" element for the purposes of conserving resources and overall gem income

[silent schooner]

Unless you're a gigawhale sync lvl 1000 then you can run even the most retarded shit and clear everything ezpz

[silent schooner]

I care a lot for the latter(gem income)

[vivid pendant]

I mean that's how you see it, not saying its wrong cos you have a goal

But people will see 'can' skip and really think you can skip diesel

[silk oracle]

Rapi's ability to become a B1 cdr unit alone makes her unskippable

because she can be used in raid

[silent schooner]

You can, actually

Again

If they're giga casual

[vivid pendant]

Damn almost all pilgrims can be skipped

Whar a scam

[silent schooner]

They only cared for the story

[vivid pendant]

Cindy skip

[silent schooner]

Basically newbies

[vivid pendant]

Siren skip

[silent schooner]

Now you're just being obtuse

[silk oracle]

B3 units are easiest skips, with Rapi and Cindy being the only ones I'd say were not

Supports are much less easy to skip on since, if they're meta, they usually stick around for a long time

It's only the banners right before Pilgrims that I say could be argued to be skippable

Elegg and Rem being the shining examples of that

that being said, most of my union used Rem regularly for at least a year

[vivid pendant]

Rem + diesel

Kinda ok

[silk oracle]

My Rem still 10/10/10 and huffing the copium rn

[vivid pendant]

RL + really want attack buffs

And heal

[silent schooner]

How many RL B3 NIKKEs gave Rem rollers a false hope?

[silk oracle]

Mostly none

This is the first time there's been an RL unit with potential compatibility

[vivid pendant]

I mean, this is the first time where att dmg buffs is so ridiculously high that att becomes much better

[silk oracle]

Rem only provide's Caster's ATK. Nothing else, so she's worse than most generic B2 buffers like Mari

but in Mari's case, her burst basically gives nothing to X Diesel since it's attack damage

so her buffs are actually inferior to Rem in this particular case

(20% Caster's ATK difference)

and since we're probably not building ammo on X Diesel, the extra ammo is comfy

[wheat cedar]

Need 1080 fire books just to get 1 unit to 10/10/10

[silk oracle]

That being said, unless we're doing a Diesel single-unit hypercarry comp, whoever is with her probably wants more buffs

[vivid pendant]

Until we get another diesel-like RL

[silk oracle]

Mhm. Rem has hope for the first time in forever, but I still think it won't work out for her

[hexed barn]

Only r doll, clearly not a believer in the church of rem

[ancient mango]

maybe one day

we get a lot of doll mats nowadays

[hollow kayak]

how is fire a dump element

don't you guys have rapi

[silk oracle]

Everything but Rapi

NGE1 was time-limited, Alice is extremely picky about OL lines to function, Grave's questionable DPS outside of strong element makes heavy investment unadvised, and Mihara and Modernia as MGs are expensive since they want 12/12

Fire's pretty painful

Rapi and Mihara being useful as neutral units is really the only redeeming factor

Since Alice used to be widely used, it was less of an issue how particular her rolls needed to be, but now it's a major concern

[obtuse igloo]

is that just every element?

everything is just element specific now often with some nieche stuff like sw wanting 12/12

or being mid

[silk oracle]

Yeah, any element can be dumped

I was only countering the idea that everyone can have strong fire just cuz of Rapi

Although when looking at DPS improvement per OL line gained, I'm still pretty sure fire is on the expensive end

[vivid pendant]

electric feels like the dump element now

[silk oracle]

Iron DPS units don't really need a third set of lines

It's just comfort

Same for half of water units

[vivid pendant]

best elec team has 2 limited units

you miss them than you get screwed

[silk oracle]

Water has X Lud, S Doro, X Guillo, and S Elegg

[obtuse igloo]

actually best electric team had 0 limited units

[silk oracle]

[obtuse igloo]

and the 2nd best has 0 as well its arcana isabel

[vivid pendant]

water has alot of good options

[silk oracle]

Water is most screwed

[obtuse igloo]

iirc top was cindy crown helm liter mmast

[silk oracle]

Water has a lot of mid options

[obtuse igloo]

wind is pretty screwed

[silk oracle]

I say that as a water main

[vivid pendant]

after cindy team, the elec lineup is very lackluster

[silk oracle]

Wind is good, just low on units

Easiest to invest in because of that

[obtuse igloo]

i mean cindy team was like 8.3 -> 6.9 -> 6.6

[silk oracle]

Although if you don't have NGE2, RIP wind

[obtuse igloo]

thats not that huge of a difference

between cindy

iron like falls off a cliff

sw/rapi -> like half dmg

same with wind

[vivid pendant]

wind is super concentrated

[silk oracle]

Fire, Wind, and Iron are hyper-focused into two teams

Water and electric are more balanced

[obtuse igloo]

fire isnt that bad into 2 teams

eva1 alice

getting diesel too

probably dropping besti

diesel cindy with a better buffer

[silk oracle]

Actually yeah, Ziz was just hyper gimmicky

No core

[vivid pendant]

the gimmick didn't even need true dmg

what a scam

[obtuse igloo]

when was the last fire weak with perma core

its eva 1

[silk oracle]

Whitesmith

[vivid pendant]

ramiel had perma core?

[obtuse igloo]

whos ramiel

[vivid pendant]

eva1 boss

[silk oracle]

Ramiel only had partial, no?

[obtuse igloo]

MO had pierce only core

iirc

[silk oracle]

Or was that part 2

[vivid pendant]

i thought the core can be destroyed

[obtuse igloo]

idk some1 pull up a recording

after that its prob alicebringer

[silk oracle]

Windbringer was partial core

[river sentinel]

Fire? Isn’t it (no particular order, just listing):

1. Asuka1, Rei1
2. RapiOs
3. MirandaT, MiharaOs
4. Alice
5. tuEmma, tuEunhwa, tuVesti

It’s actually kinda full, we’re looking to squeeze wsDiesel into some team

I didn’t even list SGs team… where’s my Drake

[obtuse igloo]

asuka often doesnt get a team

[silk oracle]

Asuka was dead last raid

[obtuse igloo]

and alice steals her spot

[silk oracle]

Although I used her cuz my Alice did less

[obtuse igloo]

team 4 was sg

[river sentinel]

Only dead until pierce becomes favorable again

[silk oracle]

[river sentinel]

Entirely ShiftUp’s prerogative there though

[silk oracle]

Asuka has higher damage floor

[obtuse igloo]

theyve done everything in their power to remove parts and core

we had a whole story about gluttony's core

[silk oracle]

Except for iron

[obtuse igloo]

then we go fight gluttony

[silk oracle]

Iron always gets parts/core

[obtuse igloo]

where core

[silk oracle]

SW forever BiS

Every iron unit doomed to get overshadowed on release

[river sentinel]

New boss idea:
Boss has 69 parts scattered
Every 30 seconds boss lines up all 69 parts directly in front of core
All 69 parts also become core
||But they become immune to Iron element||
Ebil is my name

[silk oracle]

But yeah, I feel like fire is the only element with so many viable units that we have to choose who not to use

Iron almost there

[vivid pendant]

Vesgod

[silk oracle]

A2, VestiTU, and Emilia licking their lips

[river sentinel]

The meta only the faithful saw coming

Well, jokes aside… I kind of half hope wsDiesel kit is a lot tamer than it looks on paper. Not that far away from finding out, at least

Under 24 hours

[vivid pendant]

17more hrs

[silk oracle]

Oh right, cuz 7 hour maintenance

[vivid pendant]

actually may i know why you want it to be tamer?

[river sentinel]

If she’s too good, I’d feel more of a draw toward maxing her dupes

[silk oracle]

Limited units being busted is unhealthy for game life

I'm only getting MLB regardless since I'm not a fire main

Fire's my second weakest element

[river sentinel]

And… I dislike the theme that she’s terrible at singing, yet no one informs her that her singing literally can kill, and she proceeds to sing anyway… it’s like a train wreck (kekeke) of a personality

[silk oracle]

One copy on the F2P alts

[vivid pendant]

emilia becoming essential for pvp, but lucky pvp is not the main part of the game

[silk oracle]

Diesel is a character I have such mixed feelings over

Love her appearance, but hate the actual character

[vivid pendant]

diesel has the maiden kotodama v2.0

why control people when you just kill

[wheat cedar]

Since diesel doesn't want to stop shooting she isnt going with Miranda for the Afk strat

My teams without seeing how diesel and brid play in game yet would be

Crown RRH Siren XDiesel M.Mast
Tove XBrid SDoro Drake Soline
MirandaT BAde MiharaOS HelmT Dwife
Liter Grave Alice Rei Modernia
TEmma TEunwha Tvesti Rouge Cindy

I wonder if Train will have the hidden core

Like the UR and Interception variants have

[silk oracle]

Aside from the last team (and Asuka instead of Alice), I'm thinking basically the same

Leaving T5 open cuz unless boss has a weird gimmick, I feel like Midsolute might not make the cut

Oh also, thinking Nayuta may end up better in Miranda comp (assuming she doesn't steal Miranda buff from Mihara)

[wheat cedar]

Hmm true

Forgot about Nayuta

[faint swan]

did we had a calc-man here ? whats her dps looking for off-ele

[silk oracle]

She has to burst, so off-ele isn't going to be a likely scenario

[faint swan]

so not gonna be in off ele sustain team or something like that

[silk oracle]

I guess for iron she could be with Raven

Liter/Nayuta/Raven/X Diesel/Mihara

Assuming we don't need healing and don't get another DoT iron unit

Considering out lack of potent ATK buffers + her need to be on-burst, I think Cindy and Rapi are more likely to steal any off-ele slots first

Of course Mihara if off-burst

That's simply my impression based on initial numbers tho. I'm not one of the spreadsheet math guys

[faint swan]

636.28% buff looked kinda big but I guess it was not enough

[silk oracle]

Aside from water and wind, we're basically filled with full strong element teams now, so off-ele is getting harder and harder

and both water and wind should solve that the next time they get raids as long as there are two feature DPS units

[obtuse igloo]

keep in mind

diesel also buffs ur offburst dps

during her burst

[silk oracle]

Assuming we use one

Off-burst DPS is basically only in cope comp and DoT comp anymore

[faint swan]

and sg

[silk oracle]

Even then, cdr comps are competitive

[faint swan]

right we got an sg cdr

[silk oracle]

If SG ends up Tove/X Brid/Drake/S Doro/Froline, then

[faint swan]

every winter they are buffing sg comp

[silk oracle]

and unless there's no core/pierce, B Soda/S Doro/Drake is still going to be best for Iron

[faint swan]

smh

[silk oracle]

X Diesel > S Doro seems like cope

In electric, we have to use Dolla for Arcana

[faint swan]

next ele raid will be sg unit dw

[silk oracle]

Star Anis gonna be Water/Electric SG

Fires star-shaped slugs

[faint swan]

iron+ele

that way also kicks bsoda xdd

[silk oracle]

[faint swan]

they should have kept making sg units with 15sec buffs

[wheat cedar]

Make anis electric and I will c7

[faint swan]

this is a 3 weeker right

[silk oracle]

Should be

[wheat cedar]

4 actually

[faint swan]

so I forgot, what happened last year? did we got a weeklong event or was it a 2 week event for ny banner

[wheat cedar]

Ends on the 30th

[silk oracle]

Ahhh

I was wondering if they'd do a dead week

Works for me~

[faint swan]

I swear if we get less than 20 pulls on the exchange I will riot

[silk oracle]

Last year they did the 3-week event for Rapi starting on the 26th of December

with the oddly delayed start on the banner itself

[faint swan]

we have all the story for the sanis , they can't make the same thing again and they probably can't progress on the story itself

so it might be an eden nikke 🤔

[silk oracle]

New main story

Give us ||Snow White 2.0|| (event spoilers are fine after the event has already ended, right?)

[wheat cedar]

Yeah, if you didn't read the event that's a you problem at this point

[obtuse igloo]

offburst doesnt always mean the 5th dude

if i place with rapi

rapi gets dmg taken up while not bursting

thats extra value

25% is quite a bit if ur paired with a unit that actually does decent dmg during not their burst

[nimble dome]

Wasn’t new year event and bannerstarted sharp at 12am 1st of Nov kr time this year?

[finite plover]

that will happen

you know it

[silk oracle]

Banner yes, event no

[silk oracle]

That's confusing wording since she's still an on-burst unit Just second burst instead of first burst

[obtuse igloo]

shes on burst but off burst rotation

[silk oracle]

She's still in the rotation

[obtuse igloo]

yea but shes currently offburst

[silk oracle]

During that specific 14s

Not by role in the comp

[obtuse igloo]

yep

[faint swan]

idk if I ever seen anyone refering to 2nd b3 as the "offburst"

[silk oracle]

I've seen it, but it's always confusing to me

Usually in the case of lopsided comps with units like Helm, Privaty, and Maxwell who aren't expected to deal damage

Like in Siren/Crown/Rapi/Helm/M Mast hypercarry comp, I've seen Helm referred to as the offburst

but there's no 3rd B3 in that case

[faint swan]

thats... huh??

[silk oracle]

They're the unit that's used when the primary unit is off-burst

thus the off-burst substitute

at least, that's the only way I can see that usage coming about

[obtuse igloo]

its time to call 3rd b3 as "no burst"

[faint swan]

I lobby to call them cucks

[silk oracle]

D burst

A burst, S burst, and D burst

and then Red Hood/Rouge mess up everything

[faint swan]

they are sitting in the corner and watching the team burst

[obtuse igloo]

That's not true mihara likes watching the team

Still does dmg

[faint swan]

liking or not, still the same terminology

[silk oracle]

but anyway, for the use of X Diesel as an actively bursting unit off-element, I have no confidence

It's only 25% dmg taken debuff every other burst, meanwhile X Lud does that the entire fight whether or not she's bursting

Even X Lud is down to 50% recent usage (77% overall), so her position is weakening

[faint swan]

we had cindy xlud in last raid

[obtuse igloo]

compare xlud dmg and xdiesel dmg for me rq

[faint swan]

in top parses

[obtuse igloo]

25% is actually quite a bit tbh

[silk oracle]

for the final cope comp which won't exist the next time we get meta wind units

[obtuse igloo]

dmg taken up is kinda premium im ngl

theres little to no buffers with dmg taken up

that r super meta

[silk oracle]

Still only 55% usage in top 50 last raid

[faint swan]

next step is supports like brid

element specific supports

we got almost 5 teams on every element

[obtuse igloo]

dmg diff tho]

[silk oracle]

Still likely lower than a strong element DPS with 100% ele

[obtuse igloo]

is she stronger than a cindy tho

or equal

like think about it this way if cindy is used

[faint swan]

we need the calcman here

[obtuse igloo]

and ur equal to cindy

but u also have 25% dmg taken up buff

then ur just better cindy

[silk oracle]

Fair, but that also means splitting supports awkwardly

[obtuse igloo]

yea

[silk oracle]

Cindy has the powerful merit that she loves Rouge who most units couldn't care less about

Also, Cindy usually used off-burst as the main damage dealer

The other B3 is just cope for QTE clear

[obtuse igloo]

i think with rapi b1 rouge is kinda floating around

rapi siren liter takes up everything right

-> tove miranda

[silk oracle]

Buff that Mana

[obtuse igloo]

i mean

[silk oracle]

I think Cindy's going to be vanishing soon tbh

[obtuse igloo]

what if u buff nayuyu miranda

[silk oracle]

outside of electric

[obtuse igloo]

no atk buffs

[silk oracle]

With the X Diesel that needs 4x ATK rolls?

[obtuse igloo]

just brick ur diesel

[silk oracle]

Honestly very possible for wind-mains

[obtuse igloo]

its not the first time

people bricked something for that

helm

[wheat cedar]

Only whales will be able to use Nayuta hypercarry

[silk oracle]

People brick Helm cuz water-weak raids are terrible

[wheat cedar]

Mine isn't taking the buff from helm unless I get more dupes and around 50% atk

[silk oracle]

I bricked my Maxwell for Nayuta comp and only gained 600 mil

Should used those rocks on SBS instead

[obtuse igloo]

i had a thought of doing

max priv

surely ur priv is shitty enough right

get some 30% atk up

call it a day

[faint swan]

my helm also steals so I had to mw xlud

[obtuse igloo]

doesnt xlud steal ur buff

anyways

[silk oracle]

I may or may not have OL'd Privaty

[obtuse igloo]

when she bursts

[wheat cedar]

The fox girl on CN has an interesting kit , if only she werent B2

[faint swan]

wait maybe it was not xlud then. I remember mw but nt sure on other b3

I remember because mw steals the first buff and nayuta got the buff starting from 2nd burst

[silk oracle]

MW S Sakura was common

[faint swan]

must be x lud huh, my xlud is kinda shit

[obtuse igloo]

the real question is

can some1 math

brid mihara

[faint swan]

sakura maybe

[obtuse igloo]

thnaks

same with brid diesel

[silk oracle]

Brid Mihara would probably be in the Brid thread

[faint swan]

at this point we are looking at 20+ hours sky testing

[obtuse igloo]

how wild would a

liter rem diesel cindy ada be

on a scale of 1-10

[faint swan]

remless

[obtuse igloo]

its prob weaker than brid right

[silk oracle]

I'm convinced Brid is exclusive to SG comp for fire-weak

[obtuse igloo]

im not

diesel brid actaully sounds pretty good

[faint swan]

she might be offburst b2 on every fire raid

these buffs are kinda big

[obtuse igloo]

i dont think so

[faint swan]

27.24% damage taken

for an offburst slot

[obtuse igloo]

how many offburst slots do we have atm

[faint swan]

last raid we had 4

[obtuse igloo]

theres like 1 for crown whos mmast/helm/delta, 1 for mod

[faint swan]

xdd

[obtuse igloo]

last raid wasnt fire

[faint swan]

true

[obtuse igloo]

team 5 offburst?

maybe

for crown she has to beat delta/helm

[wheat cedar]

I still think brid has more potential on the Sg team, she doesnt give atk to herself with her burst, So her personal damage outside of that team should be meh

[obtuse igloo]

at minimum

[silk oracle]

Yeah, but if X Diesel is with Crown to buff Rapi, then that would probably be better

[wheat cedar]

SG team gives her faster shotgun firing that makes her S2 proc more constantly + makes her S2 uptime easy to manage with no ammo OLs

[obtuse igloo]

its a 10s debuff no?

debuff should always be up

even without resil cube

[silk oracle]

The S2 damage proc is more the reason to have her in SG comp imo

[obtuse igloo]

yea the extra procs is good

[silk oracle]

Trying to think of slots for X Diesel for each element...

• Fire: Crown Comp w/Rapi (or wherever else, 100% usage basically guaranteed) ✅
• Wind: Nayuta comp assuming no Miranda brick ❓
• Iron: DoT comp w/Raven & Mihara ❓
• Electric: No Room + takes extra damage ❌
• Water: No Room with next batch of water units ❌

Also have to keep in mind that with bosses like Gluttony, Diesel will brick team for 1s every full burst unless you burst first with her for less damage

[obtuse igloo]

y would she brick them for gluttony

[silk oracle]

No parts

[obtuse igloo]

thats fine

what do i need hitrate for

hes a giant blob the size of my screen

[silk oracle]

I just mean bosses without parts/core

Something like Stormbringer would actually cause potential problems

[obtuse igloo]

u mean boss with core and no parts?

[silk oracle]

Gluttony is shorter

[obtuse igloo]

gluttony has no core and part

thjeres no way i can miss him tho right

[silk oracle]

If you tried hard enough, you could

I was missing Land Eater when I was triple-running accounts in co-op

Controlling one with a foot

[obtuse igloo]

sounds like u need friends

but yea i think if u miss gluttony

[silk oracle]

I have them, but time zones + touching grass can be a thing

[obtuse igloo]

ur probably missing him without the hitrate reduction

[silk oracle]

Fair

[opal warren]

Still same problem as always, most people’s helm has far too much atk to not steal Miranda’s buff

[unborn wind]

to steal from MiharaOS? that's what you call a bricked mihara

[obtuse igloo]

iirc i have to remove my helm cube

because c7 vs lb0

[unborn wind]

your account is bricked in general

[obtuse igloo]

f2p+never lucky bricked

shoulda just played not gacha

[hexed barn]

As usual, the hype is dead

Right before it comes back to life

burst wasn’t spread evenly over 9s

It ticked every 1.4s

after that idk

[warm marlin]

release bugged kit, give compensation

Bugs cause me emotional distress

[unborn wind]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-emotional-damage-emotional-damage-gif-25817245

[wheat cedar]

Bruh not that

[warm marlin]

[vivid pendant]

They have to patch this anyway. The kit said per second and not per 1.4s

[nocturne plume]

Ah, just like i predicted

[nocturne plume]

this is just from vid alonbe tho

[azure zenith]

are you sure you're not observing how DoT is applied? granted, just visual alone doesn't mean anything

https://imgur.com/Qau2BGc

all DoTs have an instant hit, 1.5s delay then return to 1s tick rate

well, except raven's

[nocturne plume]

Why not use someone whose Animation is based on the Damage applied

why use Mana, when it's just a window of error and damage ticks?

https://youtu.be/gSG9AYU6BKA?t=41
try this ( timestamped )

pause vid and just keep mashing " > " key

[azure zenith]

except why would visual necessarily correlate to the damage its dealing. what if the same is true here

ssakura's doesn't.

neither does raven's, but she got 'fixed'

aaaand maintenance time

just the fact that the visual is obstructed more than halfway in makes it kinda pointless to use the trailer. we'll see the tick rate soon enough

[nocturne plume]

Also Sakura's a persistent effect

[azure zenith]

no, it isn't. it goes away after 15s if no part is broken. if it triggers again, it goes through the same DoT application rate.

[warm marlin]

now we wait and see if diesel get nerfed during maint

[azure zenith]

instant damage, 1.5s delay, 1s tick rate

however, it is true that unlike other DoT stacks, ssakura refreshes duration rather than reapply a new stack if she can keep breaking part, so it doesn't go through the whole process this way.

[nocturne plume]

U're not helping your case
her effect is persistent for the whole duration
and doesn't have any tick rate

[azure zenith]

https://imgur.com/3eJECcg

instant. 1.5s delay. 1s tick rate

[nocturne plume]

YEah the effect of swirling circles
truly a tick rate

[azure zenith]

visual doesn't correlate. just wait for the actual numbers to be visible first.

but ya, the point is, all DoTs are applied like this.

except raven's, since her fix.

[finite plover]

it ticks per sec

[nocturne plume]

Did you look at the vid tho

[finite plover]

it literally flashes every 1 sec

[finite plover]

maybe ur vid is at 0.75x speed

[nocturne plume]

@finite plover You wanna check yours again?

https://youtu.be/Ee39u2cQUZE?t=41

let me give u link to KR one, because it's the only one that Clears the terrain and you can see the stage boss clearly

[finite plover]

ok ure right but it might be old numbers

or its just visual

[nocturne plume]

Not sure why they would ever test DoT that's not DPS

[finite plover]

Hi, Lorax, if you could, let me know about their Surface Skills if you're available/free.

[hollow kayak]

Did she get nerfed yet

[warm marlin]

Wait for the miners

[nocturne plume]

Ah

both

useful

For roaming

[wheat cedar]

Yeah both are really good for striker teams

[nocturne plume]

what was Soline's again?

Xoline

[wheat cedar]

Life leech

but worse than rapun moran and sakura

[nocturne plume]

Base Soline is good for striker team

not sure why her Xoline skill is off

[dreamy spoke]

She is healer now, must embrace her new role to the max

[hollow kayak]

I guess you can do 3 striker teams now

So that's cool

Maybe I'll do it next beta

[warm marlin]

No maint nerf ?

[blissful smelt]

must... save.. for tt anis

[hexed barn]

Tiddy star is our salvation

[silent schooner]

What will be her bullshit to justify 1% I wonder

All three New Year NIKKEs so far are 1%er

I don't expect they'd make an exception for Anis Star Light

[nocturne plume]

Water Element

[robust pewter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1149285846801993758/1446010449480122408/N6lWyYQl-6CL876I.mov?ex=69326dac&is=69311c2c&hm=7f63e4a3a661fd9555206bff4dde162f0562584a26ab6aa4e624b0dccb5f21f1&

[nocturne plume]

[robust pewter]

JP is holding back

[silent schooner]

How to cause Liberalio to crash out 101

[warm marlin]

Rieri

[hollow kayak]

Bro thinks they need a reason

Water/wind

Piss and braps

[sweet remnant]

It's open, why isn't there some test yet ?

[hexed barn]

where numbers

https://tenor.com/view/meme-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-dorothy-dorowhip-gif-13339968757220517040

[lone merlin]

wait, just pulled her

[warm marlin]

me too poor to test

[silk oracle]

I can test, but expect poor OL rolls

I'm not willing to spend a bunch of rocks on fire units

[nocturne plume]

But she's Winter theme

[silk oracle]

And?

[granite grove]

Where damage tests

[silk oracle]

About to start, tho using a 40% ele 30% atk

[nocturne plume]

Please check how many times her ult ticks

[fallow jetty]

Tell me a Better team to test her
(Mid OL and LB0)

[azure zenith]

one that doesn't give more attack damage

[nimble dome]

Can you share your OL?

[azure zenith]

since it's the same modifier as all the sustained damage she gives herself

[granite grove]

Siren Grave Rapi Diesel Mihara

[azure zenith]

no, stop with all the attack damage

[silk oracle]

Siren/Crown/Rapi/X Diesel/M Mast is honestly the most useful to compare since that's likely where Diesel's going (test of buff to Rapi + personal damage)

[granite grove]

Oh, true

[azure zenith]

it's the same modifier as sustained damage

and diesel herself gives herself close to a thousand

[granite grove]

Well there's not many atk buffers other than crown

[silk oracle]

Rem

[granite grove]

But isn't it like for a very short time?

[azure zenith]

so she's very inefficient with it

no

it's permanent

[nimble dome]

Updated kits

[azure zenith]

they fixed description in EN

[granite grove]

I see

[azure zenith]

and no nerf happened

meaning it was always gonna be perma

anyway

[silk oracle]

It was just EN that had that

EN still has confusing and technically incorrect descriptions for S1

[azure zenith]

maids (all that caster atk), new brid or bunnies are the best partner for diesel

best b1 buffer is either liter or volume

[nimble dome]

Are both intro and highlight buff active all time since second burst?

[fallow jetty]

Just 50%+ on element damage and some crit/charge speed

[azure zenith]

nope. you have to choose one.

also, ya, just like miharaBC, diesel desperately needs atk OLs

cuz she gives herself nothing

[nimble dome]

What about mihara OL?

[lone merlin]

4 OL, 3 Ele, 1 Atk, lvl 15 Resilience Cube, SR5 Doll, 7-7-7

[azure zenith]

arguably more important than ele dmg

the fact it's even getting this close, lol

diesel's biggest weakness

sucks with most meta supports

when you have to consider using bunnies to make her dps stand out

[silk oracle]

That's why I see her main benefit rn as a Rapi buffer tbh

She'll be better in the future

[bleak wigeon]

isn't that considered good for raid since you can mash her with non meta teams and still score high damage

[fallow jetty]

Same shit, but Lb2

[azure zenith]

ya, as mentioned

[bleak wigeon]

feels good to be able to use bunnies again

[azure zenith]

bunnies are her best b2 support, then maids. there's also new brid, but she's obviously going with SG this raid

like, just changing siren to liter will close the gap somewhat

but then again, that's also not fair to rapipi...

who gives herself like 90% atk on entering FB

so ofc liter would be more efficient for diesel

[fallow jetty]

The cp gap doesn't make It fair anyway

[mental summit]

we need a fairly equal ol comparison lol

[granite grove]

Does Diesel give damage taken to team?

Iirc she does, right?

Image won't load

[azure zenith]

she does, yes, from burst

27% max rank

[hollow crest]

Use rh b1 when diesel burst

[silk oracle]

Comparing Rapi hypercarry buffer potential

[light knot]

[silk oracle]

Gonna need heavy investment to beat Helm

Trying X Lud next

Might actually be best to just form an entirely separate team for her after all

Or just do Liter/S Ros with Mihara/X Diesel

[fathom idol]

Just one multi’d Diesel, one fine to have?

[fallow jetty]

She is still worth for a solo raid fire weak, but i don't think she's that broken

[silk oracle]

Yeah, even if damage ceiling is really higher than Mihara as some math folks said, I don't think she has much chance to reach that potential atm

Still definitely worth to get, but don't expect to suddenly see a massive jump in rank by having her alone

She definitely needs heavy investment

[azure zenith]

it's kind of the investment, but the real issue is that most of the meta supports give her nothing

[nimble dome]

She probably just has higher self kit % number than mihara but more allergic to supports

[azure zenith]

when she already has close to 1000% sustained dmg

[nimble dome]

godhara

[silk oracle]

Mihara not having to burst makes her way more flexible when it comes to opportunity cost

[azure zenith]

any more is insanely diluted

it's like what happened with liberalio

[dreamy spoke]

Wats investment levels for this?

[silk oracle]

7/7/7 SR15 doll, OLs +0 with 40% ele and 30% atk

Cost-effective investment, basically

Definitely not well-invested

(aside from doll, but I'm whel)

[dreamy spoke]

Oke, might be wat i do too

[silk oracle]

Definitely a better option than X Lud

[rugged oracle]

It's sustain damage unit.
Any bug?

[dreamy spoke]

The only limited i instantly 10 10 10 was sanis and raven

[silk oracle]

Despite extra MG for Siren and higher uptime on dmg taken debuff, X Diesel's personal damage + stronger burst debuff results in higher overall damage by far

So if Helm needs to be with Mihara in Miranda comp for burst gen, X Diesel >>>>>> X Lud

And that X Lud is C7 10/10/10 SR 15 with >30% ATK

[granite grove]

Doesn't seem to be any

[dreamy spoke]

No miranda xdiesel teams test yet?

[azure zenith]

it's not gonna work

[silk oracle]

She can't use the 100% crit

[azure zenith]

xdiesel has to keep shooting to maintain s2 stacks

[silk oracle]

I can try using her as a buffer for Mihara tho

in Miranda comp

[light knot]

Buffer for nayuta maybe

[azure zenith]

in fact, it's one of her biggest weakness, her regular reload puts her at risk of losing stacks at a crucial time

ah, yeah, she can be a legit DPS for nayuta miranda

but yeah, her inability to work with most meta supports is pretty tough for diesel

[dreamy spoke]

We can always do tests... who knows the crit damage might outperform the s2 stacks? Just having the data is valuable imo so theres no harm

But totally understand the reasonings tho

[upper crag]