[Soline: Frost Ticket] New Unit Megathread

[ripe linden]

oh

cuz i took my rei off sync

i think

i synced crow for the ark rankings

[gusty nexus]

I was gonna say im not trying in water raid cuz i dont have xlub

[quaint ravine]

Why is crow in synchro

[rare spire]

Rapi and Mihara are like 60% of SR damage

[quaint ravine]

[ripe linden]

surface

ark rankings

[quaint ravine]

🤢

I understand your pain

Soline does the same btw, normal soline

[rare spire]

I sync everyone

Although Liveryn will never get synced

[ripe linden]

ya anyone thats not top tier u just 60% ele

call it aday

[quaint ravine]

I don't buy synchro slots

I think I have bought at most around 10

[ripe linden]

honestly i dont even know how i rank in water sometimes

everythings 60-70

its all poverty

[rare spire]

You said all ur units

[gusty nexus]

Hopefully they pina her before she gets a banner

[ripe linden]

look at my water

[rare spire]

I have a union mate who's going for omni whose highest ele unit isn't even 70% pretty sure

[ripe linden]

tell me my water isnt poverty

my qeq is 47 ele

[gusty nexus]

All water is poverty

[craggy garden]

Bready will get a good buffer soon trust

[ripe linden]

give me something better than srosanna for dots

and dot team will rise

raven deneyers in shambles

20 rock wonder

[quaint ravine]

[ripe linden]

luckiest ive ever been

[rare spire]

I take it back, he has Guilty above 70%

[ripe linden]

having guilty built is crazy

probably why hes stuck sub 70

i should treasure my lapgod one day

[quaint ravine]

https://youtu.be/fFQNf-co7rE

Forgot to leave this here

[rare spire]

The day you do will be the day they announce new Matis

[ripe linden]

i cant read

[quaint ravine]

Use the auto dub

[ripe linden]

i dont have auto dub

is he saying anything we dont know already

[quaint ravine]

Pretty much what we have been talking about

He doesnt even talk about the burst as much

Cuz it is shit

[rare spire]

PESU MY's verdict is "Wait to see what the Xmas units are like and decide from there, as, while she'll likely have use in water-weak and fire-weak SG comps, we'll likely have reruns of the previous Christmas units like X Maiden and X Lud, and the new units will likely be good"

[ripe linden]

i didnt talk about the burst at all

[ripe linden]

wait thats what i said

[rare spire]

Yea

[ripe linden]

when her card was posted

[rare spire]

[ripe linden]

[rare spire]

Great minds think alike

[quaint ravine]

That could pretty much be said about all banners before a big event

[ripe linden]

nah

[quaint ravine]

And since she isn't limited it is better for us

Cuz we can just go for it much later

[ripe linden]

i say that about every banner that isnt solidly in a team

[ripe linden]

idk im never a fan of spook if it has opportunity to be used

i dont pull much so if i dont pull then i wont see them for a year

by then i dont need them prob

[quaint ravine]

I know that pain

Sora has evaded me

Even tho she has been in my wishlist since it was available

Same for delta

[ripe linden]

its happened to me like

5 or 6 nikkes now

where i got them 1 year+ after their banner

thankfully it was like ade and flora

but the first time it was maxwell i was in pain

[quaint ravine]

This is why I still do 1 10 pulls on all banner no matter how shit they look

[ripe linden]

nah if theyre shit shit i skip

K/flora/sora? big skip

[rare spire]

Thankfully Sora is truly lacking in any use-case

She's also the only unit my main account lacks

[pseudo pollen]

brick for water pls so you can carry me in coop

[ripe linden]

how is the non whale with low consoles going to carry u

even if i black line everything im still weak

[pseudo pollen]

brick on consoles too thanks

[ripe linden]

even if i spent all my body labels on console i would still be weak

[pseudo pollen]

[faint egret]

holy yap on soline thread

[quaint ravine]

.

There is a PvP section here

Just use a translator. Cuz I dont understand shit about PvP

[faint egret]

so its like 20% damage boost compared to no cdr on sg?

[torpid plover]

So what's the verdict bros

Is she worth pulling or a waste of dev time

[quaint ravine]

.

[torpid plover]

Damn

🥀

[upbeat token]

Wait for Soline to fuse with Noah and achieve Over-Spec and the ability to transform into battle form: Alexander (the train)

[winter tinsel]

Even outside of water is she a straight upgrade for sg team?

[quaint ravine]

She esentially kicks soda out of the SG team for anything but iron

[winter tinsel]

Dear god

[quaint ravine]

Bsoda was always a selfish~ DPS

Like Maid Privaty

The only ones who benefited from a longer burst time was just her and MPriv

[winter tinsel]

Assuming u run like a grave comp though, are u still using Soline

Over a different cdr unit

[quaint ravine]

Correct

Soline benefits from Tove and Drake

[winter tinsel]

Would u rec I keep trying to pull for last copy of Lib for mlb, or 1 copy of soline

if u had to choose between only those 2 options

[quaint ravine]

go for lib

[winter tinsel]

Gotcha

[quaint ravine]

Soline is not a limited unit

[winter tinsel]

Selector's a damn scam

[quaint ravine]

worst case scenario you can get her from the selector on NYs

[winter tinsel]

I haven't gotten anything worthwhile this past year from it

[winter tinsel]

Oh true

ur right

How much does it cost again

For the milestone

[quaint ravine]

It was around 6000? I cant really recall

let me look

[winter tinsel]

ty

Lib banner scamming me bro

[quaint ravine]

6600 Gems for the selector

You get 31 pulls in addition to that

I think I never got an SSR from it

from the 31 pulls*

[gaunt dust]

Cause her stupid surface skill increase view range

[quaint ravine]

Base soline also does that btw

[gaunt dust]

Make 2 scout team for that

🧠

[quaint ravine]

[gaunt dust]

Team 10 and 11 are just only Crow and Soline

Then you uncover more grey zone

[craggy garden]

it stinks

[craggy garden]

Dead unit

[quaint ravine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079397917435101247/1441262355316215938/Sequence_01_8.gif

[upbeat token]

Fully explore the map then bench her again

[grizzled wolf]

still want to use her to do daily defense mission cuz there's some long range mob spawning off view range

[craggy garden]

You still have to get close enough to shoot it

[gaunt dust]

Should we name Soline alt as XSoline cause it connected to xmas

[craggy garden]

Call her saline because she's water

And piss

🚮

[rare spire]

I'm just going with SGoline Don't like the idea of misrepresenting that she's a seasonal limited

[leaden moss]

I'm just calling her soline

the og soline isn't worth talking about

[rare spire]

Never forget

[west gust]

Foline

[west gust]

She wasn't so bad, considering she has 4400% damage Burst

[cinder current]

I've almost reached the end of the story (before day 3 unlock) and Soline still hasn't used her alt costume in it. Shift up isn't even trying to sell her at all.

[formal swallow]

They’re trying to throw us a bone

Saying skip for your own good

[rare spire]

Nah, they just know their market audience

If people weren't posting crying emotes on the promotional material, they're not pulling anyway

[marsh fiber]

[cinder current]

Normal Soline: Doesn't look too kiddy
Frost Ticket: SU made her a kid now. They took away whats left of her itty chest 😭

Also I just noticed she has a mole near her groin

[craggy garden]

True

They cunnified her too hard

I love cunny as much as the next guy but don't convert existing characters

How would you feel if they turned some tit cow into a no chest booblet

You'd feel like me after they killed D and delta that's how

I'm not about to cheer about people with bad taste getting cucked for once

[marsh fiber]

I got her, now what

[hexed silo]

Meta sg off burst mainly for cdr

[marsh fiber]

[hollow imp]

To the wishlist she goes

Upcoming winter limited new year banner

Too much fuckery

[formal swallow]

Verily

[sly token]

you know tt anis is coming too

[sly token]

who though, they all got wiped out from goddess fall

[hollow imp]

Winter papillon she pilgrim now

[sly token]

releasing alt before main

[craggy garden]

Yeah she's meta on water content if you 4 ele her

Can you use DKW to spam shoot for burst with enough ammo or does it brick CDR?

She only misses out on like 2 charged shots

[gaunt dust]

She also better on neutral than slotting a buffer

[hexed silo]

That but better cdr than dkw for neutral also

Since she’s sg will also do a bit of damage even not ol’d

[fossil yoke]

People forgot her cdr is 0.48s higher

0.48s * 13 = 6-7s secs saved

Think about it

[ripe linden]

u need to count if ur going to spam

[fossil yoke]

Thats 1 more burst

For most teams

You can argue

That even she is better than dwife in SW comps

[ripe linden]

someone pressed a button here

[fossil yoke]

Im talking about MirandaTr Grave SW Ada Soline

[ripe linden]

if u want to look

.

[fossil yoke]

Who wrote this

[ripe linden]

megaguides prob

[fossil yoke]

I said she is usable though

[ripe linden]

i didnt pin it

[fossil yoke]

Lmao soline is better

I was writing guide when I realized

Wait 7.48s?

How many ammo on Bunny

[formal swallow]

Ok got her in 20

This cdr better be worth it

[hexed silo]

Judging off that damage test

It’s only 160m more damage

[formal swallow]

until some whale figures out an omega strat and everybody who didn’t pull gonna regret

Like delta

[hexed silo]

any extra damage we will always take

[formal swallow]

[fossil yoke]

Only

[hexed silo]

I say only cause it won’t matter for alot of ppl but t200-50

It does

[fossil yoke]

There is also NY selector

[formal swallow]

I’ll need that for delta

[fossil yoke]

I wouldnt get Delta

[formal swallow]

Or tactical Emma

Whoever’s necessary

[fossil yoke]

Def not both

[formal swallow]

yea that’s what I’m thinking too

I still haven’t used the 2025 one

I’ll keep the 2026 one as a shiny trophy as well

[hexed silo]

Delta only usable on wind

soline can fully replace dkw

unless u burst with her for some reason

Oh ig the absolute team on fire weak u still use her for main b1

[rare spire]

If Midsolute is even used next time

[ripe linden]

i had a thought about trying to move selegg off crown and sticking deltaNT there but i dont think its the play

cuz selegg ends up buffing not much elsewhere

[formal swallow]

I regret pulling selegg verily

but oh well

[ripe linden]

wym selegg was the most upfront unit ever

"works in water weak"

[formal swallow]

and nowhere else

[ripe linden]

yea but u knew what ur were pulling right

[formal swallow]

Yes big jiggly ass

[rare spire]

I mean, S Elegg unlike most won't return until next year, so unless water's the new hated element by SU, she'll be useful again

[formal swallow]

I wonder what tiddy star anis is gonna be. Hopefully soline can buff her somehow

Hope she’s water

[rare spire]

Water/Electric

[formal swallow]

Right right dual ele pls

[ripe linden]

ur asking too little

its 2026

water electric wind

[formal swallow]

Add triple burst too

If b1: water
b2: electric
b3: wind

[quaint osprey]

B4

[ripe linden]

20s reneter b3

[sage charm]

10 ammo and yeah no burst downtime

[fossil yoke]

Wdym

Tf u mean main b1

[fossil yoke]

Reneter

[hexed silo]

Wait myb

Emma is the b1 bursting on that team

[ripe linden]

das right

[gaunt dust]

I gonna use selector on Vesti cause that’s only standard pool char I missing

[gaunt dust]

Dude, you throw Delta with Crown, not the wind weak

Because she heal team if team has a defender

Which proc Crown

[ripe linden]

the problem is iron/fire/electric we're going crown mmast atm cuz no dist dmg dealers

so no space for delta

water has selegg

so until we get dist dmg dealer fire/iron/electric that rivals what rapi gains its hard to fit delta there

or selegg goes team3/4 like qeq getting poped out

[rare spire]

There's also the fact that Fire and Water have a decent number of MGs

Even if we got fire distr damage dealers, we'd just end up putting Modernia in 5th slots probably

S Elegg similar holds the 5th slot there

Electric is weird, as the team compositions entirely change every team dependent on boss

[ripe linden]

idk if we would tbh

p5 dps on crown kinda gets shafted

its usually a support slot

i kinda like mod being p5 eva just soaking up some buffs

[tulip bison]

[west gust]

Anyone wanna bet that CN Froline is stronger than Global?

[rare spire]

Oh, I like "Froline"

[hasty zealot]

What was this "omega strat" that people figured out about Delta?

[leaden parrot]

Use her with crown

[west gust]

tbh
hardly any difference subbing in Naga instead

[hasty zealot]

Oh, is that all? Wasn't that thought of very early though? While people were contemplating pulling or not?
A lot of people were saying it would free up other Nikke to other squads.

[leaden parrot]

I’m not a smart man and I’m sure someone knows better than I do, but I believe she was better than naga because of the damage debuff

[west gust]

the strat is that u save Gems by not pulling delta

[west gust]

Naga has better Core hit damage buff
and tbe boss has 100% core up time

so it evens out

[hasty zealot]

I pulled Delta basically because I lacked great healing options for all 5 solo squads, and she worked out quite well with Crown.

[leaden parrot]

I pulled her because boba

[hasty zealot]

Being able to use Naga and THelm for two other squads was useful in my case anyways.

[leaden parrot]

And never built her

[hasty zealot]

Ah, that is the true omega strat

[leaden parrot]

Wish I MLBd her for that peak lobby screen

[ripe linden]

if the boss wasnt 100% core uptime delta woulda been pickup

with core its just minor boost

[west gust]

Eh
what about Xlud

[ripe linden]

xlud lost to delta with core iirc?

and she loses personal dmg without core too

along with being used on another team

im somewhat surprised eva2 > sbs lib

[west gust]

Core

[hazy oar]

Crown Vs maids

[west gust]

Core

[hazy oar]

Still though asuka doesn't even gain as much on core

[west gust]

increase Damage received >>>>> increased Attack damage

[hazy oar]

It's roughly equal though

Helm Vs delta is on average even better

[west gust]

not when compounded with increased Atk dmg

[craggy garden]

she has less competition so it's not like she needs to be stronger to be good

[west gust]

CN Sneon power

[ripe linden]

yea but people also just bricked their helms for helm max nayuta

[hazy oar]

Yeah but that's cringe

[hazy oar]

Ada doesn't buff Nayuta right?

[ripe linden]

correct

[rare spire]

Bigger reason for NGE2 edging out on SBS/Lib is that Lib isn't distr damage

The comp is biased towards buffing SBS while Lib doesn't fully benefit

Meanwhile Crown comp has major synergy with 3 MGs + Siren and Rei buffing Wasuka

[cinder current]

This event menu bgm kinda sounding cute and funny

Wait Soline doesnt get to wear the outfit until last part wtf?

[gaunt dust]

Let’s watch if CN decide to buff her or not

Because she’s 100% trash there cause they don’t have Tove

[fossil yoke]

Raising her rating to S potentially.

[fossil yoke]

This is not about Lorax's msg.

[gaunt dust]

Still same thing

[hazy oar]

No you're not wtf

[hazy oar]

Do they have 5 CDR alrdy

[fossil yoke]

Yes

S tier

[hazy oar]

@dawn sail bonk him

Who's in s tier b1 actually lemme see

Dwife

[dusty sky]

is frosty good

[fossil yoke]

Yes

With an asterisk

[upbeat token]

Train Soline went to S tier?

I just dreamed of something scary

[craggy garden]

https://tenor.com/view/sex-sexy-bell-sex-bell-sexy-time-gif-17081749

[sly token]

bad feeling that we need her for water oc next

[formal swallow]

bad feeling that you’ll need her every raid for cdr

[craggy garden]

How

[gaunt dust]

Liter, Ludmilla, Volume, SHelm, Dolla, Dorothy

[hazy oar]

Well Ludmilla and dolla kinda ass probably?

[gaunt dust]

Yeah, CN Lud is a cdr char

[hazy oar]

Dolla is definitely mid

So is volume

But they need a strong main b1 still

I guess

[gaunt dust]

Volume gonna stuck with Yingning Huapi

[hazy oar]

Not named miranda

[gaunt dust]

Cause it’s a crit comp

[hazy oar]

I see

[gaunt dust]

For treasure, they only have first 5

[fossil yoke]

Her story rating is being debated LMAO

idk if we are placing her in S/SS

[sly token]

seems like you use her in sg comps where she doesn't burst and just standing there

replacing balice or something

[formal swallow]

Highest cope for campaign use lol

[fossil yoke]

U sure

HD

LD

Volume is shit

needs to stack

thats hwy she is at A/S

but DWife being in SS is also questionable

[thin storm]

true and real

[dawn sail]

how do you define top comp

so Crown Alice Red SBS Modernia?

I mean I can win 99% stages with that comp too

[fossil yoke]

u say the same shit with Lib and shes proven to be good

how can I trust you

no, I never shilled her SSS

that was Tio romano

you said she didnt deserve SS or S and I was trolling

lol

@dawn sail give ratings brooooo

I need your help

Im sorry

[dawn sail]

Soline?

hm

can't think straight right now, I need a sleep first. Slept at 2 a.m last night

[sly token]

ss for being cute and funny

[dawn sail]

playing Where Wind Meets

[fossil yoke]

I am not salty, but I remember past conv to evaluate trustworthiness.

[dawn sail]

but if I have to go with my guts, S tier in bossing, A tier in campaign. Will think carefully later

[fossil yoke]

I in particular trust @ripe linden because he has never been wrong.

Not even once.

I make significantly more mistakes than him, that's why I like to ask for his opinions.

I wanted to rate Lib in SS, and you said I was trolling because it suggested she would be good in Campaign (which she is) to new players.

[dawn sail]

just do this

also I forgot

D Alice Crown Asuka Modernia

also a top team

[fossil yoke]

Nah, Lib as SS is pretty clear for me.

Weren't you the one who were trying to "exit the conversation"?

Whenever that topic shows up.

I am not salty.

You are the one who thinks I'm salty.

I don't hold grudges.

But you did misrate Lib, so it's normal for me to trust you less for future cooks, no? People can make mistakes, true, but people also prefer people who make fewer mistakes.

[dawn sail]

lucky for you two I'm so old I have alzheimer

can't even remember

[fossil yoke]

Again, I'm not salty. I literally don't block people online unless it's that obviously drama-seeker guy called Lugo.

[fossil yoke]

That's what I thought about... at first because Sakura is there, but if I see everyone else other than Sakura, it doesn't make sense.

Idk why Sakura is in A too.

She is definitely better than Volume.

I think S in both is still safe.

I think.

Ok, fact is, CDR is better than anything.

Oh yes, and Liter is also SS.

SSS in LD even.

There's no mention in TL where Liter is weaker.

But she has been replaced by off-burst DWife.

Multiple times.

More like forever.

I'd rather have someone run Siren Nayuta B3 B3 Soline than Siren Nayuta B3 B3 HelmTr and have the team can't rotate.

The point here is... in this example, you can't say HelmTr (who is SS) as better than Soline.

[thin storm]

skyjlv channel is full on SR and this dude still dont understand it

[fossil yoke]

We are talking about Campaign ratings.

Why are you talking about Bossing?

You're changing the topic here.

This happened too in #1431598145724481628 and someone called you out for it.

Salty? Grudges? No, I just have good memory.

I still remember Snake telling me Emma is meta in Surface, which I relay to Tollkage, and he blames me for it.

[thin storm]

You need to screencap his message too next time

otherwise the dude going to delete his old message

like always

[fossil yoke]

My remembering someone making a mistake doesn't mean I'm salty or have grudges against them.

Did I make my verdict?

I said borderline, which means it isn't?

I made my verdict down there that she's SS.

No, feel free to share your opinions.

But I can say I can trust or not trust you based on your opinions, your verdict, and how you reach it, no?

Since what's important here is not the verdict, but how you approach said verdict.

That's what I care the most.

You literally said giving her SS was throwing.

You rated her way lower.

You even left the conversation.

Probably @mental pond can remind you.

Yes, and the argument had already ended before that.

That's why you said it.

Tio and I already settled on SS.

But you didn't agree with it and wanted S.

Also, another problem was I asked for your argument on why Lib was S (or worse), but you never actually answered it.

No? Because her optimal play is with crit.

That happened in Solo Raid too.

People critmaxxing her.

Wdym?

Do you think someone got 11B dmg by miracle?

Critfishing is part of her game.

I did not sell it because she was weaker than I imagined her to be.

I even included her crit as part of my initial calc on why she deserved SS.

You said SS was a fine rating after everything has ended.

Not during my and Tio's conversation.

That's a completely different thing.

How does this not imply you disagree with her on SS?

Anyone in the world would understand.

Yes.

That was originally planned way before you said it, though.

People in Maincord alr complained that.

[vocal sandal]

Cindy going to SS soon?

[fossil yoke]

Ok, I reread the conversation. I may have misremembered some things, so here's how it went:

• I preached Lib to be SS/SSS in Campaign.
• Texas said nah, she's S or lower, and compares her to SW.
• I defended Lib and asked for Texas's argument because Lib has a wipe and buffs SBS.
• He never actually gave his argument.
• Tio entered the chat. We discussed, and I asked him to test. I settled on SS SS SS S.
• Texas said "SS is a fair rating in the inflated rankings world we live in".
• Tio and I discussed about Lib's potential further in that thread to see if she deserves SSS. Every time we started talking about it, Texas would yeet himself off the conversation or else he would be tempted to say something bad (he said it himself).
• Tio decided to go SSS. I maintained SS.
• Tio went back to SS.
• We both settled on SS.

We argued several times between Tio and I discussion and a few hours after that, I think.

The fact that the fair rating message is older than the top 3 msgs.

That means you are still "salty" or whatever word you think fits about my settling on SS.

[vocal sandal]

I remember he was quite a downer on lib.. maybe nayuta too.. that might have been another guy tho

[fossil yoke]

I did not participate in Nayuta.

[thin storm]

on every new nikkes you mean lol

[fossil yoke]

I only partook in Lib cus people missed her mobbing potential or didn't talk about it.

[thin storm]

dude still living in campaign 2022

[vocal sandal]

idk for sure about nayuta.. was a couple people dooming/"not anni level units etc",, i am happy with both.. so whatever

[fossil yoke]

Ok, I think Snake agreed on this.

But, I am personally holding it off.

Cindy got used again last raid... now alone.

I think she still deserves SSS.

[vocal sandal]

Yeah guess we will see.. wind has so few relevant units that she gets in by default.. might be different with other elements

[fossil yoke]

True.

[fossil yoke]

Snake's con:

I did not write this and was furious when someone tagged me for it.

People actually called it out cus there was Siren.

I think I told him about it already but Ig I never asked it to be deleted.

I am gonna do it now.

[vocal sandal]

Rapi has set the standard for what people expect from Anis/new years.. God knows what they will cook up.. and yeah that's weird Siren is absolutely broken

[fossil yoke]

Nayuta is actually quite broken.

For Neutral.

Not Crown-level but close.

Also, I have never disagreed on people should focusing on 2-3 elements only.

Are you suggesting avoid investing in crowded elements?

That's a valid opinion, but I don't want to tell people to do shit like that.

Let people do whatever they want, whichever element/unit they want.

Telling newbies "don't invest in Nayuta or Lib because the pros are doing it too" doesn't seem right.

We outlined the use cases of each Nikke in each review.

Whether people read that, not our issue.

Fun fact:

Gear Investments
Liberalio wants 2 lines foremost: ELE & ATK. Unlike with other units, ATK is particularly quite important for Liberalio because her only ATK buff is within the first 3s of every Full Burst. While this is where most of her damage lies (nuke), having a widespread ATK buff is essential for maximizing damage. She also wants 1 Max Ammo for smoother transitions between Full Bursts and burst gen. For the last 3 slots (if you want; skippable), you can aim for either Charge Speed (better PvE consistency & PvP potency) or Critical Damage (mobbing potential + Raid critfishing tactic). We recommend Charge Speed for most players.

This is what I wrote.

I literally said skippable.

I don't trust Sky's advice. (His advice, not the person).

I've said this before.

I trust Altros, though.

I didn't watch Sky too.

People fishing 12/12 is cus of Maincord.

They were the ones who popularized the 8/12 and 12/12 term.

Before, it was only some veteran terms.

The only person I trust here as regards cooks is @ripe linden. And currently for ratings, Gatrix, because he can actually discuss.

Snake's ratings are accurate too, so that's why we like to triple discuss but it ends up taking 1 month to decide.

I give the worst ratings in hindsight.

That's why I ALWAYS ask for people's opinions.

My process:

• I approach said person.
• Said person gives their rating.
• I ask why they give it, then give my reasonings & opinion (and if necessary, challenge their ranking).
• They respond with their arguments (which may have been updated by my challenge).
• We discuss as long as needed.
• We decide on a rating.

I'm just saying I'm not perfect. I'm only saying I have questionable rating accuracy, that's all.

[vocal sandal]

I mean experienced player is saving/prepping for anni.. Only resource that is a bit scarce is rocks.. what else should people be investing in? rocks reserve can be rebuilt up before New Years.. Neutral maybe dead/dying for top 200.. but an invested Lib/SBS is going to be useful for 3% on neutral.. Its a much better investment for the average player.. As for new players investing in them is good too.. nayuta/lib will carry a new player in campaign, kraken etc for a long time

[fossil yoke]

I literally can't give ratings unless Gatrix is up to give his/be challenged. Then, I usually just take his rating.

That's what Prydwen review has been, but the Investments page is written by Snake, so it seems to go in a different order.

[thin storm]

you dont need to pull character too

dont need to play the game too

[fossil yoke]

Not wrong. Just different.

[thin storm]

[fossil yoke]

Like we actually gave our own TL versions. Snake and mine. Mine was worse.

So in this actuality, his direction is better.

If you remember, Prydwen review has been "this unit can be used here, as this, or can be used as what there and there". There is no "aha this unit is the best rn on something".

In my experience, actually my version is worse.

Because people don't like to think analytically.

They prefer to be spoonfed.

"Just tell me what to do, and I'll do it."

Like you said with your Surface guide.

Which is true, unfortunately.

Maybe I should take a more aggressive stance in reviews, like "Don't x" or "Do x" instead of giving them the liberty to decide.

Cus it's like how doctors tell you. It's not "you can take this medicine 3 times a day to kill bacteria" but "take this medicine 3 times a day".

Soline gives improvements even without OL gear.

and OL gear only matters in 1 element.

Mostly.

I know what you mean but tier list is not the same as SYP, though (Should You Pull).

You want the tier list to reflect that.

[vocal sandal]

So do we just save rocks till a rapi unit comes around? I settled for like 90% ele/40 attack.. some ammo anyway.. fk trying to get a bunch of CS.. i thought the OL lines were just recomendations on pydrwen anyway.. not "must have or she's bricked" actually they generally would explicitly say that (Summer Anis) if it was the case.. (i haven't seen the lib review)

[fossil yoke]

You don't have Rapi?

And you're not saving rocks?

That's literally @solemn saffron's point, though.

Don't chase 12/12 as a new player.

Cost is king (for new players).

[vocal sandal]

But aren't your mihara/rapi/siren etc already done?

[fossil yoke]

Ok, skipping Ada Wong is stupid though. BMilk and Vesti are fine.

She was limited.

And she will be used outside Electric.

Ha.

Jill is dead.

Ok, that was an accidental forgot.

[fossil yoke]

That's not how you're supposed to OL.

[thin storm]

even there is new rapi tier you still dont need to invest it cause game already solved long time ago
if you dont care about SR/UR there is 0 reason to pull/invest anything

[fossil yoke]

Top-bottom method we only give it to people cus they can't think.

That is, invest in META first, then work your way to the bottom.

That's not the ideal way, though.

[thin storm]

lmao with your almost perfect alice 7x%ele 30%atk

ton of rocks

clueless

[fossil yoke]

I never fully invested in Alice because her last gear looked like:
ELE
ATK

How am I supposed to fix that?

If you are crazy enuf to fix that, sure.

The key is to "leave at the first possible exit".

That is: cheap, high return value, and no sunk cost fallacy.

If you follow this, you are unlikely to end up with 12/12.

More like 11/12 or 10/12 with some bonus lines.

It can be 4 ELE, 3 atk, 3 ammo, 1 crit dmg for rapi

or something.

Fun fact

u get more value giving ammo to ur burst gen supports

now thats too much

but ok

[vocal sandal]

Yeah idk i would like to get my mihara more attack,, i think she is 97/31 with some ammo lines.. but trying to "fix" that would cost way more rocks

[fossil yoke]

14 ammo is enough

10 ammo is shit

my experience

everything with 10 ammo feels like shit

9 is actually better

for some reason

I don't know why

I think because 9 = 9s in Full Burst

so 1s for reload or something

idk

yeah 9 is a magic number

and 14

Ikr

I feel I have to reload "very intentionally"

but with 9 it seems natural

and also 14

it just lines up perfectly

thats why my 10 ammo bade is worse than grave

almost consistently

I cant rotate fast

if I spam, I dont have ammo

if I dont spam, I slow down

fucking weird ahh dilemma

I have to reload twice during FB to avoid this

and when u do that

it feels like shit

cus u cannot manual anyone else

u cannot control the fire

gagagagagaga

ok but to be fair

10 ammo with 1 precharge is not enuf to max the burst gauge

in low burst gen teams

14 is enuf

magically

[reef quarry]

Damn so much yapping

[upbeat token]

The bell tolls for he who has no computers in Texas

[quaint ravine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012288696336273428/1441257927448072283/dink_donk.gif

[formal swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012288696336273428/1441257927448072283/dink_donk.gif

[ripe linden]

400 messages wat did I miss

[dawn sail]

feel pretty neat

[formal swallow]

Buncha Yap

[formal swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/did-you-win-gerry-dee-family-feud-canada-did-you-succeed-family-feud-gif-9647771660116837600

[dawn sail]

yes

28% deficit

can turn on auto and just hold mouse

yeah I can guarantee in 35% deficit, using volume = dead

not with soline though because there's no weird 2-3s cd

[formal swallow]

Damn soline high defishit meta

https://img.pr0gramm.com/2025/11/22/fd944103b005f821.gif

[craggy garden]

Who invited Miranda

[mental pond]

Hello, remind what

[fossil yoke]

Me

I did

[fossil yoke]

S S S B ratings are finalized.

[quaint osprey]

triple S

[dusty sky]

its finally time for my 4x atk 4x charge speed 4x ammo rapunzel to shine

[mental pond]

I concur with this

the cdr is really good as off burst

and not only for sg, miranda team is pretty nice too

if you want to funnel just 1 burst every 40 sec, you can even heal a little with soline burst every odd burst cycle if no heal is too hard

and ofc, 7 sec cdr is just too comfy

[rare spire]

Frosline just laughing at poor treasure Milk who never had a chance

[mental pond]

if only bade had cdr too

[quaint ravine]

At least she got a bunny alter

[novel swan]

how's shee? must pull?

[formal swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/locked-in-geeked-alien-gif-15351203357954459321

[fossil yoke]

Thats not an easy question to answer

Depends on who you are

U solo raid malder or what

[gaunt dust]

I pulled her so that the selector in new year banner I just easily grab Vesti to call it a day

[quaint ravine]

I am missing Sora , Delta and now Soline

[dusty sky]

how good is frosty in pvp

[quaint osprey]

[sly token]

https://tenor.com/view/yedi-gif-26678532

[lavish burrow]

Can't wait to pull just to miss CrownSanta edition

[craggy garden]

Crown jobbed all event

She's never getting an alt

[lavish burrow]

That's precisely why she is getting a Santa edition

She's gonna do the hohoho from SF5 Karin but be looking like santa

Perfect ojou sama X Christmas combination

[alpine sandal]

Impossible

snotty brat S tier??? this must be mistaken

[fossil yoke]

It is unfortunately true

[gaunt dust]

shtick

[rare spire]

If Tia is the reference for comparison, then S tier is pretty garbage raid-wise

[quaint osprey]

Very fair imo

Better than tia i would say

[craggy garden]

Tia isn't that bad, it's just that crown exists

Tia is basically very bad crown

she doesn't even give you better burst generation anymore because siren exists

[rare spire]

She costs you a B3 and slows down your burst rotations

[upbeat token]

Train Soline sounds like a pretty healthy unit to add to the standard roster, if nothing else

Tia mainly existed to penalize you for benefiting from Naga’s bonus effects. Deny you a damage dealer in the slot Tia steals

Some utility to make up for it, though

[rare spire]

Yeah, I like the balancing of this Soline. She's a feasible skip for those with solid rosters, but also a decent pickup for those lacking or simply wanting to secure more possibilities

Not garbage, but also not a massive drain on our poor resource banks

[fossil yoke]

That was story HD tl he picked

[rare spire]

Ahhh

Gotcha

I forget that there are tier lists for campaign

[formal swallow]

poor newcomers have to consult tier lists for campaign

On the other hand old players just slap some of the newest pilgrims mixed with old meta ones and call it a day

[quaint ravine]

True 1 hand gaming

[formal swallow]

Indeed

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-red-hood-snow-white-gif-16505169346664341755

[ripe linden]

Bis campaign rarely changes anyways

[upbeat token]

We're already hitting 40%-49% high deficit clears anyway

The only way to force a change is either reduced malding or a wall boss fight that ruins current comps

"If the team uses a sniper rifle or a machine gun either as the standard weapon or as a special weapon during burst, insta-wipe the team"

[ripe linden]

Easy, just make rapirh2.0

Shoot explosions twice as fast

But yea the general campaign meta changes like

3-4 times a year

At best

So if you don't pull for anything that's not general campaign meta u basically don't pull much

[upbeat token]

Release Shifty banner

• When Shifty is the sole member of the team
  • Grant omni-burst
  • Multiply ATK, HP, DEF, and burst gen by 5
  • Switch weapons to bazooka with infinite ammo (that fires like a machine gun on steroids)

[ripe linden]

Just give us mecha shifty

Our meta will change

Forever

Mecha shifty will solo the queen

[formal swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/mechashifty-shifty-nikke-gif-7763841043037195732

isn't she like the strongest burst unit in game

[novel swan]

Haven’t heard of shifty these prev chapters

[craggy garden]

She went to the weekend farm

[west gust]

I kinda disappointed she doesn't play a bigger role as our operator

[craggy garden]

You spent the last year in brazil

She's just the party's sexual relief now

Feet

[quartz thunder]

…. How’s soline?

Cuz judging from Japanese youtube… she is very strong for pvp comp… if you has the resources to put her in mast with rest of the absolute.

Enemy team will melt from normal attack before Noah burst.

But then again no body in the right mind with have a build mast with build team absolute.

Unless you are a 🐳

[quaint ravine]

That's just absolute doing absolute things

My non-invested absolute in CA

[ripe linden]

isnt that just vesti

being vesti

[mental pond]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/1p7qyc2/mega_guide_soline_frost_ticket_review/

[dusty sky]

she seems good with rapunzel now if only rapunzel had stun resist

[west gust]

A pvp
LMAO

LMFAO even

[upbeat token]

Careful with laughing at her, Soline has a history of shooting her allies

[quartz thunder]

Ya but she can be good for ppl already running absolute 🍵 making it more nuts

[ripe linden]

She didn't do anything tho

Like in that vid it could have been any unit or even empty spot if there wasn't CP gap

She didn't even heal

Vesti wiped the team in1 volley 100-0

[pseudo pollen]

yeah a better showcase for her there would be a slower burst turn vs a faster burst/high damage comp

[mental pond]

She had use in 3 different teams for me, that is better than a lot of units

[pseudo pollen]

like scarlet/sg

[mental pond]

Too bad she isnt clip

[west gust]

She could have 0 Skills and be okay when we're only using her for

1. CDR
2. Being a Shotgun

[mental pond]

The heal on low health is key

[pseudo pollen]

I think in this case it's pvp

[mental pond]

Its pretty good vs high pressure p1

[pseudo pollen]

in which case it's her ability to make everyone into an emma like tank

[mental pond]

Yes pvp

Moran, noise, nero(if uninvested)

Are the 3 p1 that benefit great from her, and she going in p4 helped in stall teams for me. She could be better if clip, but she is alright.

I might use in CA if I can get SR5, and that frees other units from those teams. And also a second "biscuit" is very welcomed

[craggy garden]

They should make a unit that instantly fills burst bar at the start of pvp fights

[ripe linden]

Just make a silence nikke

U enjoy silencer mobs in pve right

[ripe linden]

I think invested Nero basically doesn't die in 6s and Moran heals off 20% so unless she's 1 shot the ticket value isn't huge and if she is she's dead

Noise idk depends on the team I can see it helping

Noise soline Cindy would be slow tho?

There was a meme mention tho

Nayuta soline sg sg sg

Nayu sharing heals to spam heal ur other nikkes from splash/wild defender sg

In p1

[craggy garden]

Silence but it silences one random unit

Pvp rng

It either disables their entire burst or does nothing

Just buy more attempts

[ripe linden]

Just silence 2 random units

It'll most likely disrupt their burst

Tbh

At the very least prevent the one they want

Until you're super unlucky

[upbeat token]

Just make unit that causes arena to crash

[craggy garden]

Just make unit that shuffles the enemy team

Actually that's op

Shuffle both teams

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[upbeat token]

Unit kit: “If in Challenge Arena and the team it’s on loses, swap with next up team and refight”

Then put her on SG team

[craggy garden]

Make an overpowered unit to make people build it and then ban it from SP and champion arena

[mental pond]

moran can die to sg teams with bsoda, or lapT quite easily. nero is more about missing rapu and SR5(15) and also 1010x.
noise in general is pretty feeble without helpers, and cindy is not used with her anymore (at least in CA most of time)
you can also use her in SG team over pepper or rosa

soline is quite good in PvP

just not too good

[ripe linden]

If ur Moran dies to sg u probably got dropped below 20% instantly

[mental pond]

all this is considering 40+ sync deficit

as my SP bracket is a nightmare

and if soline made her not die in 3 taps, im very happy

she is usable, all in all, tier A is valid imo

[ripe linden]

Yea like if Moran died u probably took more than the 20% of HP and died without healing right

[mental pond]

each shot would activate the passive yes

but its usual sg in defense

soline adds another layer to it, a fourth time

[ripe linden]

Does each sg pellet proc soline separately?

[mental pond]

don't think so

or rather

cant tell from replay

[ripe linden]

That's just a single heal then tho

[ripe linden]

I mean if it did your HP would be infinite vs sg

Cuz 1 sg pellet never reaches > 15% of hp

If it did a sg shot would do 150% of ur hp

[mental pond]

its just 1 charge, its 1 ticket after battle start

[ripe linden]

It's infinite for first 6s

[mental pond]

it consumes 1 ticket when the heal go out

[ripe linden]

Isn't it

[mental pond]

true

thats why

...

I didn't read that part lol

she might be S

[ripe linden]

I suspect sg bullets

Are snapshot tho

[mental pond]

ill test

[ripe linden]

Like it'll calculate the whole DMG before healing

[mental pond]

but its not like 20% -> 100% hp

so I don't think each pellet triggers

it slowly builds up before burst

on burst its perma 100%

[ripe linden]

The 15% is actually quite hard if it doesn't cuz there's a good chance u can get likr

20% to 0 %

In 1 laplace shot for example

Or a vesti will do it

Scar counters also hurt with element

But any instance of DMG that's 14% of HP won't kill for first 6s basically

[pseudo pollen]

she hard walls SG comps

[ripe linden]

Amazing for new pvp brackets then

I think most of them have a sg spam team

[mental pond]

big lapT is prob pretty hard to counter

as she can even two tap moran in some cases

but its like, 427k lapT

on 635 sync

[pseudo pollen]

I think vesti does too much damage so probably can't wall her

[mental pond]

[ripe linden]

I mean if u hard wall sg team I don't even need Moran

[ripe linden]

Vesti 100% kills u

[pseudo pollen]

so it's mainly to wall SG and scarlet auto

[ripe linden]

But wall sg is big for new player

[mental pond]

vesti emi too in that case

[ripe linden]

Wall scar is something

[mental pond]

also moran can tank vesti sometimes

if on 2RL with noah

[ripe linden]

Yea but the rest of ur team is already limping

And Noah probably died tbh

From taunt

Wall sg for beginner sp arena players tho

[mental pond]

noah shouldn't die since soline is there

thats the catch

[ripe linden]

I'm pretty sure vesti will do more than 15% of Noah hp

If u get 2 shot u still get 2 shot

Ho goes like 100% to 40% to 0%

[mental pond]

vs vesti specifically then sure

[ripe linden]

Cuz for element

[mental pond]

but aside from vesti

survives scar, lib

sg, maybe cindy if timed right

etc, its a good addition

[ripe linden]

I think it's sg+scar, lib is mostly on the burst nuke?

Lib outside burst does mid dmg

[mental pond]

any wipe

[ripe linden]

Wipe kills u doesn't it

[mental pond]

shouldn't since dmg reduction %

and also tempering on all

[ripe linden]

Depends on setup I guess

[mental pond]

this considering moran/noise can burst in time

[ripe linden]

I mean noise vs rh Trina scar is death, there's prob some Blanc setup vs Moran but yea if the wipe kills u u just die

If it doesn't it wasn't a wipe

Not bad to prevent p1 death from some teams tho

Before bursting

[ripe linden]

how consistently would it prevent scar s2?

considering soline is a SG

[pseudo pollen]

her heal procs no matter what if you're still alive and under 15%

[ripe linden]

how often does she die to scar s2

[pseudo pollen]

so as long as scarlet can't slap you for more than 15% hp you're alive

idk

[ripe linden]

prob not often right

sg + water element

[pseudo pollen]

you rolled her go test

[ripe linden]

sounds like death

[pseudo pollen]

I didn't roll her still btw

and don't plan to

[ripe linden]

aint no way shes not dying look at my mf helm

@pseudo pollen

c7 sr15

[pseudo pollen]

maybe that scarlet is 115 ele

but dam

[ripe linden]

that scar is definately stacked its a spender acc im hitting

i think the scar is doll 15 too

[pseudo pollen]

yeah I guess soline likely would get herself killed instantly

[gaunt dust]

Soline is confirmed XMas alt base on how SU make all AZX member get alt now

[ripe linden]

r u guys ready for

"is this banner limited?"

[maiden mirage]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G6zo01xa0AcsMqs.jpg

No justice for Soline

[rare ginkgo]

dayum, diesel looking more and more like tokino sora from hololive by the minute...

and brid kinda looks like lucy from edgerunners

[ripe linden]

brid kinda looks like a pilgrim we have

from 2nd ani

[rare ginkgo]

2 more collabs down the drain?

[ripe linden]

COINCIDENCE?

[rare ginkgo]

she kinda does look like a cindy

[ripe linden]

[rare ginkgo]

white hair emo but no double ponytails tho

ok so i guess we can just call new soline xsoline i guess... but man making these 2 as limited but soline permanent kinda a dick move

collectors will be cryin

[dawn sail]

stop crying and keep gamba

[rare ginkgo]

they have until wednesday to release the kits so that everybody will hv to pull xsoline

[patent pecan]

diesel b2, brid b3

[dawn sail]

Disable B2, Breed B3

[ripe linden]

show me where to gamba

[signal ridge]

she also looks like Rover with long hair

[craggy garden]

Why did they turn brid into a cow

She's not that big

[dawn sail]

stop smoking

[leaden moss]

I don't think we're looking at the same brid if you think she's not that big

[fossil yoke]

Thats soda

[rare ginkgo]

non meta unit with no relevance in the story, and somehow get noodle stopper figurine? brid's sidebobs were definitely big...

[ripe linden]

soda does on burst, make it on entry

and true random

and like 20s long

[formal swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128

[rare spire]

I have to pull

All you'd have to do is mod her eye color at this point

[rare spire]

[formal swallow]

Aiming for target with maximum output

Easy when the targets are that big

[craggy garden]

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