he said all that without considering teams outside of Crown flex
#[Delta: Ninja Thief] New Unit Megathread
pine fractal
gray terrace
wait no that's sustain
dim wadi
what a good delta team would be
gray terrace
outside of crown flex is like all I'm considering atm wdym 
it's actually diluted by siren
a bit, but still diluted
outside of crown, when is it diluted
I'm considering the 12% dmg taken in the same lens as xlud and eve in the first place, same value as the dmg taken they provide
dim wadi
ngl im trying to make a even slightly usable delta team and I simply cannot
gray terrace
yeah I mistyped
pine fractal
sure
dim wadi
you didnt even once said someone else to pair her with
aside from crown
or you plan to run her alone
gray terrace
you sure
dim wadi
im sure you do realize those were joke teams correct?
on your part
or is grave also the only other?
gray terrace
hmm? oh definitely not
dim wadi
then who, if you may
dim wadi
wasting slots
gray terrace
basically standalone 20 sec b2 buffer with no heals
dim wadi
and better buffers
pine fractal
those are not joke teams ;(
he needs healing
dim wadi
man I literally feel you, delta is washed and should be good
but she isnt
what is left to say
she is B/C tier, thats about it
gray terrace
yeah I need healing for most teams for most raid, if you think most 3% don't, then I really dunno what to tell you man
pine fractal
the casual whisperer, and we're supposed to bump Delta up to A tier because of him
"I speak for the casuals"
dim wadi
because 3% do not
even 10%
you can try to fabricate a "general truth"
but it is a lie.
is it that important to even lie to not be on the "mistaken" side?
it is fine to be wrong...
gray terrace
there sure a lot of ppl talking about healer comps in this server's raid channel
they must all be 10-100% ppl
wow this server sucks
gray terrace
go search by healing or something like that
dim wadi
nothing withing last 2 days
no actually, be a gentleman and please ping me on the msgs
I will wait
gray terrace
they must all suck/be wrong
why tf that guy even asking if boss needs healing
none of them do
pine fractal
yes, previous solo raid is mother whale
dim wadi
that raid needed heals, and delta would not not be used.
dim wadi
dont prove your point sport
pine fractal
yes, it's also called cherry picking
gray terrace
yeah and this boss being less healer needed isn't cherry picking
gray terrace
who talking about hard required
I'm talking about recommended
enough that most run healer on most comps anyway
pine fractal
are we discussing the meta relevance of Delta
or are we arguing in bad faith to be right
@gray terrace
dim wadi
if not hard requirement most bosses dont need even for sync 281~
gray terrace
no we're arguing that almost all bosses don't need healer, so most players don't need healer at all
dim wadi
but anyway, im still waiting for the context in the "raid channel were talking about delta healing"
gray terrace
everyone should be sweat or whale
dim wadi
or you where just spewing bs?
pine fractal
ok, bad faith argument then, got it
gray terrace
tf context you want?
pine fractal
this is suppose to be a supporting statement to Delta being A tier in his list btw
what a bunch of nonsense
dim wadi
random screenshot with no delta mentioned or even close to current topic
and also september
gray terrace
ah I got it, I provide context showing most want healing for whale, didn't mention delta in there, so not relevant
I see how it is
dim wadi
delta wouldnt be used there
dim wadi
even if she was
pine fractal
cherry picking Mother Whale to exaggerate the importance of team wide healers
goalpost moving the topic, from Delta being meta because sustain, to A tier, now back to sustain
dim wadi
you forgot the amazing 12% or less dmg taken
steep radish
how come she beat helm?
pine fractal
how come she beat helm?
because Helm is not invested, off-burst Helm having half damage to Crown is sus
and extra MG to funnel Siren
steep radish
gray terrace
yeah 3 more raids isn't enough, I prob need to provide healing evidence for every single raid
dim wadi
damn
pine fractal
the casual whisperer
dim wadi
2024 messages
pine fractal
"Delta is A tier because I said so"
gray terrace
my bad, lemme find 2026 messages
steep radish
because Helm is not invested, off-burst Helm having half damage to Crown is sus
...
helm investment affects this?
actually
i think this helm has no treasure?
dim wadi
I think they added so scope lock gives fav item
I think...
but still, you can compare delta do marciana
gray terrace
dim wadi
or any non dmg buffer healer
pine fractal
i think this helm has no treasure?
where are you even getting these images from
there's no context provided
other than fire weak and "four MG"
gray terrace
last 2 months isn't enough either, I should have taken pictures of the raid that started yesterday
dim wadi
and see that the dmg increase is literally just another mg for siren and crown heal buff activating
pine fractal
tio I think you should stfu
because the guy speaks for the casuals
and he thinks Delta is A tier
gray terrace
you guys really shouldn't die on this hill that most ppl in most raid do not run healer
dim wadi
those messages
pine fractal
^moving goalpost
pine fractal
we went from Delta meta relevance to arguing about sustain
because the guy insist that heals alone brings Delta up to A tier
dim wadi
so it means whale because without cores you get wiped, right?
gray terrace
tio I think you should stfu
because the guy speaks for the casuals
and he thinks...
you been saying this a while, very interesting how you completely ignore how I first said it yeah?
when did I say she's definitely A tier
I'll wait
frosty night
dim wadi
its sad how absurdly hellbent into trying to prove your lie a truth
gray terrace
yeah, my lie of..... 
what was it again? remind me pls
pine fractal
when did I say she's definitely A tier
when you compared Delta to SHelm and Arcana
or are you going to edit those messages too, coward
gray terrace
ok, lemme do you a favor and link where I first mentioned
dim wadi
delta is filler, unusable nikke unless you miss other nikkes
that is it
will you change opinion if prydwen gives same or lower rating as me?
or maybe even gg
gray terrace
oh I did edit this, you want edit timestamp too?
pine fractal
he wants to be right so bad
changing goalposts multiple times
the point is gone so long ago
I see no value
gray terrace
2v1 bullying couldn't do it huh, yeah waste of time
edit: ok
pine fractal
disagree =/= bullying
bet you want that victim card badly
keep editing your messages
pine fractal
prydwen rating should maybe strike some reason into him
he'll just say prydwen is bad or something
what's the point
he speaks for the casuals
gray terrace
yeah I should be deported back to destiny child or something for that
we only raid sweats here
pine fractal
remember to lift with your knees, and not your back
the goalpost needs to be moved
gray terrace
man, this is why I suck at disagreements, I argue in good faith and ppl don't, so I always get bullied, maybe I should try doing bad faith too
yeah, ok so she's C tier, got it
crazy someone actually believes this shit
pine fractal
B/C, in case you can't read
gray terrace
hmm wonder what tier I said
pine fractal
changing goalposts again
gray terrace
oh was it, around A, bottom A, top B?, no it was solid A!
gray terrace
sure man
A/B = A
same way your B/C = C
I'm just playing the same game you guys are
pine fractal
I'm not the retard who said Delta = Arcana/SHelm
gray terrace
man, fuming huh? wanna accuse me of moving goalpost again?
yeah I'm not the one that said delta = og sakura either
pine fractal
yeah I'm not the one that said delta = og sakura either
link me that message
gray terrace
here you go man
pine fractal
prove to me how I equated Delta to Sakura
gray terrace
context
pine fractal
you want to put words in my mouth, you need to work harder
gray terrace
I said delta better than sakura, you had to prove otherwise yeah?
same with mast and biscuit
wow
funny how that works
pine fractal
YOU said Sakura is in B tier
and I answered she's a B1 CDR unit
I did not compare her to Delta
iliterate
gray terrace
ok so sakura is B tier unit bc B1 cdr?
pine fractal
you clearly lack understanding of character kits
yet so apt at making assumptions
pine fractal
you are a waste of time
gray terrace
you're not
this is actually kinda enjoyable
I should try getting ppl mad more often, I need to stop being the victim in these cases
pine fractal
I'm not even mad, you are just profoundly stupid
pine fractal
funny you think your tongue in cheek speech in the past 5 minutes can negate your stupidity
gray terrace
man I really can't get myself to insult ppl easily, must be nice
oh sorry, I... moved goalpost? forgot what line of code we're at rn
anyway gn
pine fractal
only time will tell
I'll let you see how prydwen rates her
gray terrace
the prydwen that has novel same tier as poli? ok
dry badge
holy shit, is this still going
pine fractal
ok, so you're only rating Delta on A using prydwen standards
but prydwen standards are bad
this guy
impressive
gray terrace
what else we got 
you wanna revive nikke.gg?
there are certainly some disagreements I got with prydwen, but overall they seem alright
pine fractal
it's fine, I'll let prydwen do the talking after they release her should-you-pull
you have a nice day
gray terrace
you too man, love you
pine fractal
I admit I've been too harsh on the insults
but damn, you seem adament despite not knowing much
marsh basin
lol "unusable"
I'll never understand the point of guides that only apply to 1% of players 
rose bay
How many DPS units have self distributed damage buffs?
Distributed damage buffers are basically just maids too
rose bay
They do distributed damage but they don't buff it
gray terrace
yeah
marsh basin
Quency, B Milk, Phantom
gray terrace
water main coming in clutch
marsh basin
are also distr DPS units
gray terrace
yeah quency has pretty big one
marsh basin
But ideally Bready wants to be sustained, anyway
rose bay
Bmilk doesn't have distributed buff either, she's just giga bloated on attack and pierce which shouldn't interact with damage taken iirc
marsh basin
In water SR, it's Quency/Phantom with seamaids, S Ros Bready X Guillo, and X Lud/Helm/Segg with Crown
rose bay
Doro doko
marsh basin
Tove
rose bay
gray terrace
naga drake sg is my new fav setup
marsh basin
marsh basin
Sg healer doko
Naga
gray terrace
ultra comfy, I think maybe competes with tiga or bunnies, but I didn't check
I just ate everything this raid, every single fart
rose bay
Core damage buffer
Wait doro is real so shotguns can actually use it
I want to run doro bsoda drake but all the healers are duos
marsh basin
Naga was highly for water Gluttony outside of top 50
rose bay
Solo Naga is okay I guess
rose bay
Naga comfy unit
marsh basin
Tove/Naga/S Doro/B Soda/Drake was comfy alternative to Isabel
Much lower damage ceiling, but it actually survives
Since all but the top maybe 4% of players can actually run healerless in most teams
A fact that too many high ranking players in top unions don't seem to understand 
gray terrace
my 3 ele naga was a dps this raid
rose bay
What's the point of level lock if you can still farm stats from recycling
marsh basin
Welp, back to work 
rotund venture
I just notice
Crown Siren Rapi B3 Helm < Crown Siren Rapi B3 Delta
12% dmg taken > 27% Attack Damage
rose bay
Thelm dead?
It's over reset helm
If you can get a good filler unit like helm for another team by slightly nerfing your crown team it's probably worth
faint juniper
12% dmg taken > 27% Attack Damage
Because Crown + Siren already provided 21+36+4+10 % Attack damage
While only providing +5% dmg taken
eager ravine
If you can get a good filler unit like helm for another team by slightly nerfing...
On fire she goes with miranda/mihara.. question is would you then split mast from crown? maybe to go with alice/sbs? i will have a look at last fire raid.. i think most people used crown/mast and funneled rapi
eh seems like most used alice team was liter/grave/alice/rei/modernia
zealous prawn
imo, Delta has no place in SR unless you're using Mast and Anchor together
open leaf
or idk loots and waifus
its funny cus Delta is in T4
open leaf
The copium for delta in this thread is amazing lmao
bro that was a good ass readd
actual live pvp was going crazy in here
open leaf
oh man wtf, I made a whole TLDR of the thing and it got consumed to the void
Ohhh well, pretty much, sounds like the consensus would be (using prydwen as a reference) that Delta would be B tier
Considering the whole point of lower tiers is for lack of better options, that wouldn't move Delta up a tier.
marsh basin
imo, Delta has no place in SR unless you're using Mast and Anchor together
Which a lot of people do outside of top 200
open leaf
@pine fractal I do have a question though. For the neutral element (so iron & wind bosses). You're saying that Delta still wouldn't compare to Trina, Viper (Treasure), S.Helm, or Arcana
because their non-elemental buffs outperform Delta's 12% dmg taken and/or have better personal dmg than Delta?
I'm assuming that's why you showed the SS of Helm during more dmg than Delta against a water weak boss?
visual pond
nimble dawn
Damn talk about a productive conversation in this chat
Let's just wait n see what the tier list would be. Realistically I don't see Delta being used much in raids outside of water but we'll see
sick remnant
I won’t pass up on more team comp flexibility.
hallow thistle
This probably doesn't count for much. But I reread Ninja Delta kit and realized something that might've been already mentioned.
It appears that she will accept any heals to herself toward IFAK. Not just her own lifeleeching.
It seems impractical to utilize since you'd be committing two slots to healing, not to mention having to ensure the team has a defender other than Ninja Delta
marsh basin
If you're using her as M Mast at Home™ with Anchor in order to have M Mast with Crown, then that actually works
marsh basin
Oh wait, yeah, she'd be shielding instead 
Unless we get another 2B/Cindy/X Maiden-type Defender DPS
oh there we go, she good be meta for 2B's distributed damage, right? 
hallow thistle
That works if 2B comp needed heals 
b1, b2, 2B, b3, nDelta
But this also means the comp doesn't want another healer added to it
RIP possibility
marsh basin
But M Anchor for more distr damage buffs
hallow thistle
Well, who knows. Maybe Nayuta is an OP B1 with CDR, healing, and Defender - except in this case, then nDelta is eliminated 
marsh basin
M Mast would be cheating on M Anchor with Crown, anyway
M Anchor gets revenge by getting with Delta
hallow thistle
It's tough being a ninja in this meta
eager ravine
Nayuta might be able to revive people too.. finally rapunzel will be dead
rose bay
imo, Delta has no place in SR unless you're using Mast and Anchor together
well yeah but a lot of people do
wraith spoke
Nayuta might be able to revive people too.. finally rapunzel will be dead <:kekw...
If res, 60s cd
hallow thistle
If res, 60s cd
If dead, replace with copy of Nayuta. If whole team but Nayuta dies, you continue combat with 5 Nayutas
Now that sounds like TCG black sorcery
wraith spoke
If dead, replace with copy of Nayuta. If whole team but Nayuta dies, you continu...
nayuta but 1/1/1 with no OL
like how mihara death loses her OL
green quartz
It's A A B C.
Yes, SHelm buff the first two rotations. Even though it's just the first two, it's very impactful. In the first few Ultra strats, this was specifically used.
Not if with Distributed Damage. Even with Crown, Delta's better.
Delta is one tier higher. These units are more useless than her.
green quartz
how come she beat helm?
In that comp specifically, Rapipi scales off Delta better.
green quartz
helm investment affects this?
This proves Delta scaling on Rapipi better than Mihara.
steep radish
delta is decent with crown team but it is not worth for veteran to run them together
so delta remains suck ass
green quartz
impressive
No offense, but Megaguide is a bit too coarse (not 100% valid imo). Our Ada Wong has been more accurate.
I actually agree with Nikke.gg more in the past when it was with Valkkin.
With Izzy too, though he made a huge flop with that preliminary TVesti rating, which painted a bad light.
Other than TVesti fiasco, it has been fine.
green quartz
delta is decent with crown team but it is not worth for veteran to run them toge...
Agreed. That's why she's B.
Not unusable.
But not used.
Two different things.
steep radish
same things when it comes to answer the question "worth or not"
river tapir
If you're brand new and don't have any meta units you can get her ig.
If veteran/have most units :hahaha big ninja boobies and fart sword(skip)
that's what i'm getting out of this thread
pine fractal
No offense, but Megaguide is a bit too coarse (not 100% valid imo). Our Ada Wong...
that's fine, I am not a representative for megaguide
opinions are my own
sorry for making you go through the entire conversation
appreciate the rational replies
there we go, B tier on bossing
besides failing to mention usage with distributed damage in my previous convo
just putting it out there after the chaos
on raids without significant survivability issues like MW
you are going to pair Crown with better options, no need to elaborate
B2 options that aren't Crown that can be paired with Delta are, well
you can do the obvious Anchor, since she's freed up by Crown-Mast
but this enables her Attract
but if you want to enable her Niinjutsu Injection, for le sustain
options are extremely limited in the defender class
not a single good defender B1, there's only 5 defender B3
let's look at what we have on B2 that works with Delta-defender
Crown, PoliT; others aren't worth a mention
basically, Crown or bust
gray terrace
assuming kis speaks for prydwen, so it's just the middleground of all that, man that's boring, but understandable
gray terrace
but if you want to enable her Niinjutsu Injection, for le sustain
options are ex...
her usage outside of crown depends on her taunt mode sustain, which is likely boss dependent and probably also invest dependent
I think someone did show that in that mode she only died with 7 sec left against harvester
ate the snipes
gray terrace
I remember a lot of bosses where crown shields is enough for a healer
yes even for me
but not sure how many of them were st attacking bosses
gray terrace
all I remember from whale is the barrage of bombs
everything else I forget to preserve sanity
although it's somehow the first raid where I got top 200 
rapi carried my ass
yeah crown mast healless teams are very common
pine fractal
what kills you on MW is not preserving HP
and dying to second laser barrage that cannot be covered/shielded
you should survive the first one
wraith spoke
what kills me on MW is my shelm and bade not having a doll or overload
gray terrace
likely needed the balice heals too, delta wouldn't be enough healing/taunt prob ineffective without sweating
gray terrace
I forgot mw moveset, is it aoe or st stuff
wraith spoke
bombs are st, rapi broke them
gray terrace
my lapt is better
wraith spoke
aoe laser pierce cover (just have hp to live this)
pine fractal
aoe laser pierce cover (just have hp to live this)
this is the only threat for me, unless I'm not remembering correctly
wraith spoke
this is the only threat for me, unless I'm not remembering correctly
yes but the others were a threat because of that
gray terrace
I think I also had to manage mob attacks, since I like to ignore mobs whenever possible, ended up leaving only a few mobs on my healer teams
wraith spoke
if u take dmg to the laser specs on 2nd respawn u die to 2nd laser
so technically the specs killed u u just didnt know it yet
when i take dmg from them i just restarted on my no doll no ol units
my dolled oled units had like 15-20% hp left over iirc?
gray terrace
I think the main bosses where taunt delta could see use would be those with mostly highest atk targetting things as the threat, cover piercing too
I remember some older bosses with it I think
wraith spoke
ultra/harvester but i think they will slaughter her
gray terrace
but the attacks also can't be too frequent
wraith spoke
because its multi hit
gray terrace
yeah
is harvester boss the same skillset as ai
bc I think delta survived almost to the end vs ai kraken
pine fractal
so that brings us back to the conversation on Delta-defender
Crown-Delta? great 
, not the best but functional
what about alternatives? Delta-PoliT?
is DieselT even worth mentioning?
gray terrace
UR can't be compared unless low sync tho, dmg too low 
wraith spoke
we even had the dumb grey circle blocking his sack
gray terrace
I don't even know their dmg mechanics
wraith spoke
i mean its SR2 vs sr33
or smth like that
remember when whale was hard and we couldnt break parts
look at whale now
PARTS DOKO?
we've come along way from liter novel mod scar and volume priv alice maxwell 
pine fractal
they really dropped whale on you back in the day, huh
SR2 
gray terrace
I think the only plausable second b2 pair with delta aside from crown (where delta bursts) is manchor? at least from what I've heard
wraith spoke
they really dropped whale on you back in the day, huh
SR2 <:Despairge:1016111265...
whale was the first SR
our alices were like 10/4/10 and we needed maxwell sometiems cuz no cs
gray terrace
yeah manchor is just better polit
gray terrace
but idk if manchor delta can match up to grave balice
prob the closest competition
high heals teams
prob better to run grave
wraith spoke
it also had elite adds so we needed invuln/diesel/biscuit or we died
gray terrace
aside from bready teams ig
wraith spoke
then die to laser show
gray terrace
so no crown usage is just dependent on boss mechanics
wraith spoke
i think the only place we may see delta is wind SR ironically
gray terrace
surely we get new dist dmg dps to use in maids 
wraith spoke
everything else im pretty content with running crown mmast or water who has helm selegg
gray terrace
if we get new meta wind dps, I can see wind sr I think
maids sbs, new wind crown delta, helmt with srosa dot maybe
wraith spoke
like if i replaced for example ssakura with helm
gray terrace
we're kinda well overdue for wind anyway
gray terrace
on crown team for wind? offburst?
wraith spoke
yea
wraith spoke
which means crown offburst is free, last time was helm
mg helps siren, heal helps crown, minor buffs
possible
gray terrace
helmt off-burst in wind raid is a waste, helm better bursting on separate team
esp like dot since srosa is wind
wraith spoke
every other element i dont see it
fire/iron funnel rapi crown mmast
electric no dist dmg who cares
water has helm xlud selegg
gray terrace
problem is just maids together isn't as viable as crown mmast hyper in most ele these days
gray terrace
and outside of crown is prob boss dependent
wraith spoke
how much better is it if any, than xlud?
but xlud was off bursting another team anyways
iirc
gray terrace
depends how much sustain value delta brings over xlud, if essentially none, you run xlud ofc
wraith spoke
well u get crown s2 uptime
gray terrace
but if you can't run xlud bc not enough sustain off-burst, delta is the "optimal" play without taking key units
gray terrace
oh for crown team off-burst
my xlud isn't too good, bosses ain't got core these days anyway, delta prob better due to heals
the gap between my hyper carry and xlud is huge
wraith spoke
thats the one spot i can see her fitting
but ill wait for ani kits
if i see wind ani
maybe its time
gray terrace
gray terrace
ok I would be actually fine with another pilgrim-lvl water dps that isn't doro
pine fractal
all these greedy elements, won't someone think of water 😢
gray terrace
so I can run water hyper without losing doro sg
but enough of the middling trash water
wraith spoke
ironically
gray terrace
wraith spoke
i think my water is stronger than wind
gray terrace
I ain't building those losers
gray terrace
isn't that for most
gray terrace
tf we got for wind unless you dig bottom of the barrel for wind dps
sbs is a given
past that....
pine fractal
what even would the wind team look like
Crown Siren AsukaW ReiTN DeltaNT?
gray terrace
ssakura is kinda brick, mana is kinda sorta brick
guilty is brick
oh yeah the asukas, forgot
sbs and eva 2, that's kinda it
wraith spoke
what even would the wind team look like
Crown Siren AsukaW ReiTN DeltaNT?
thats what im thinking if i use helm as a burster in team 3-5
gray terrace
siren becomes dps in wind
wraith spoke
and dmg taken up as minor buff
gray terrace
so that could actually matter
wraith spoke
exactly
alternative would be xlud/helm there i guess
if we skip
xlud dps vs 12% dmg taken
pine fractal
slight double dip on damage taken, Siren DeltaNT
but that's team1, might as well I guess
wraith spoke
slight double dip on damage taken, Siren DeltaNT
but that's team1, might as well...
itd be her only spot if any
gray terrace
I do remember a few bosses ago where I ran maids sbs I think outside of wind raid, bc running a diff t5 would cost way too much dmg, forgot the raid
but I haven't run maids sbs in neutral in a few raids now
gray terrace
I would prob run absolute + crown mmast over crown flex + maids sbs these days
my absolute trio actually ain't too shabby
pvp-invested vesti
pine fractal
my 0x ATK XLud only did 300mil off-burst against Judge
not sure how others are doing with her
wraith spoke
i think vesti is dead
gray terrace
wraith spoke
for SR
pine fractal
Vesti has never been great at bossing
she's good becauses of true damage
gray terrace
kinda cope team, but best I had left
pine fractal
I'm still going to build her for campaign
ch42 coming soon
gray terrace
better than bunnies with 2 other dps
wraith spoke
i forgot what i ran
gray terrace
I think bunnies eve lapt
wraith spoke
i think it was rapi at the end
gray terrace
I think I prob use absolute more than bunnies these days
pine fractal
well
wraith spoke
wym they keep buffing her
gray terrace
I got her done a while ago, ended up with good ele for pvp, so might as well
wraith spoke
shes clip rl now
pine fractal
kosmiu a champ arena participant?
wraith spoke
kosmiu a champ arena participant?
no i got whaled out
4 whales just started sniffing all the coredust in the world
went from under my sync to 60-80 above me
gray terrace
I won champ with lapt trio vesti emi setup 
pine fractal
so many options in sp arena, no need to treasure unless you want +1 iron dps
not that she was used last iron raid
wraith spoke
theyre just too skilled for me
wraith spoke
so many options in sp arena, no need to treasure unless you want +1 iron dps
not...
thats y i never uped her
gray terrace
these days unless running trio vesti pvp, yeah no reason to treasure
wraith spoke
the way i value my pvp is "will this help me defend? no ok 🚮 "
gray terrace
nero moran lapt is by far the worst of the common nero moran versions anyway
pine fractal
theyre just too skilled for me <:YEP:716448891146338304>
> skilled
get out swiped, fool 
wraith spoke
theres so many ways to attack i dont need another
gray terrace
but I got her built, so I do use her most iron raids
better than my ass eve still
I think i've yet to use eve in iron raid
always loses spot to lapt
pine fractal
I haven't change defence comp in over a year
...I think I used Crown as Scarlet buffer still
wraith spoke
my eve wins cuz my rapi 
gray terrace
my eve dmg loss too high for the dmg taken to make up for it
wraith spoke
10% of rapi 
rotund venture
never leave a gay spot
wraith spoke
helm goes bursting over 3-5
rotund venture
wraith spoke
im holding to see ani banners
pine fractal
never leave a gay spot
gay spotted 
wraith spoke
if i dont get in this 10 pull
gray terrace
be unlucky and pull 10 multi
rotund venture
1 heart
rotund venture
❤️
gray terrace
not that I care too much about my gem count, got enough mileage for half a year
gray terrace
my avg banner pull is 110/1 copy atm
that sounds like me
rotund venture
it's hilarious that I see people think lv 200 is endgame
in Nikke 2
at least there's no Ele roll in there
wraith spoke
it's hilarious that I see people think lv 200 is endgame
im getting close to endgame gatrix
slowly inching towards it
pine fractal
better start nikke 2 on day1
or take forever to catch up as f2p 😔
rotund venture
rotund venture
you can try Nikke 2 now
gray terrace
wraith spoke
you can try Nikke 2 now
i told u i will never play another gacha once i quit nikke
rotund venture
they put everyone in a group, probably due to low popularity
wraith spoke
ill be back to actually paid games
rotund venture
pine fractal
^wise man
gray terrace
I wish I'm normal enough to enjoy paid games
gray terrace
if game has limited playtime/progression, I'm simply not interested
rotund venture
which is planned to release on 2027
gray terrace
so that kinda funnels me to primarily gachas and mmos
wraith spoke
if game has limited playtime/progression, I'm simply not interested
slay the spire
gray terrace
gachas being gachas, and mmos suck these days
wraith spoke
or any rougelike
wraith spoke
darkest dungeon has a huge ass playtime
gray terrace
resetting progress and all that
pine fractal
I'll need to see what project bitches is about
probably won't play tho
wraith spoke
so that kinda funnels me to primarily gachas and mmos
ARPG also have a huge ass playtime value
POE
gray terrace
I didn't like season mechanic of poe
playing in standard was kinda ass
economy broken
wraith spoke
i just do a season for like a month and stop
rotund venture
wraith spoke
but its fun for that month
gray terrace
I ain't creative enough, base game ends too easy
rotund venture
unlimited playtime
gray terrace
basically if a game has a main mode that you can finish... ain't for me
rotund venture
as long as you have enough munny
gray terrace
upside is, I avoid AAA games easily
the only one I bought was elden ring
barely played it
gray terrace
oh yeah I played worlds, but it was ultra cheap back then
can't run wilds, so didn't bother
pine fractal
made some good memories in worlds
my favourite franchise since 2ndG
shame how wilds is a mess
gray terrace
I ain't even considering touching it even if I get better setup until they fix optimizations
wraith spoke
made some good memories in worlds
my favourite franchise since 2ndG
shame how wi...
people getting their booty clapped by omega in tu3 atm 
pine fractal
mfw 5 year old PC
wraith spoke
mfw 5 year old PC
F
dim wadi
its funny cus Delta is in T4
really, crown is t4?
ah actually man its pointless to even say anything
because outside being crown support
with siren no less
delta is almost sora tier
potent bane
because outside being crown support
her value is precisely that, she does a good enough job at replacing the typical crown supports that allow those supports to be used in teams more suited for them
wraith spoke
her value is precisely that, she does a good enough job at replacing the typical...
unless something new comes up my brain can only see her in wind 
potent bane
unless something new comes up my brain can only see her in wind <:PepeHands:8992...
for top players most likely
a lot of non top players cant really afford to sacrifice maids for crown mast
and freeing up helm's slot with crown also allows for more flexible teams without so much cover tryharding
a bit of a shame how weak her burst is for 40s unit
but for being off raid banner and pre anni the fact she's even being considered for use is pretty remarkable tbh
wraith spoke
i think im still hesitant to pull tho
the good thing is she prob needs 0 investment aside from her s1
waiting to see ani kits first
potent bane
i think im still hesitant to pull tho
oh yeah really safe skip
you're not losing high scores because of missing her
she's more so for team flexibility
im just gonna do a 10 pull to maybe luck out and if i dont get her i just wishlist after anni
wraith spoke
i thnk even for wind
shes a minor improvement ove xlud
its basically xlud dmg vs delta uptime on crown s2 on siren crown wasuka reiT xlud/delta
potent bane
well you cant really use xlud on raids that require healing
wraith spoke
yea but if any team is able to get away with it, it should be crown's team
or rouges team but rouge is sorta healer anyways
potent bane
yea but if any team is able to get away with it, it should be crown's team
most likely yeah
delta is definetly more valuable for lower tier players
wraith spoke
if missing mmast/helmT u may as well pull delta imo
theres no telling how long itll take u to get either
potent bane
if missing mmast/helmT u may as well pull delta imo
pretty much
helm T also takes a looong time to fully invest
so can also work as a placeholder until you finish maxing her
she doesnt hold much intrinsic value in herself, her value comes from her freeing up better units to fit in other comps
wraith spoke
in terms of supporting offburst even stage 1-2 is pretty good
its just it takes 3 copies
pine fractal
I dropped 20 on her and got BAde, I'm more happy about this
green quartz
Who
pine fractal
*I dropped 20 pulls on Delta banner and got Bunny Ade
green quartz
Did u get Delta
covert pendant
who?????
pine fractal
I failed to get Delta
wraith spoke
Did u get Delta
do i pull delta
pine fractal
it is what it is
pine fractal
too late
green quartz
Good choice
pine fractal
both Helm and Maxwell bricks my MirandaT-Mihara team
finally, I have options
hallow thistle
New OC season soon. Perhaps infinity bans all B2s except MG B2s 
Still pretty free even if so. MMast covers it nicely
Oh.. 40s CD
I think I just jinxed us
knotty solar
New OC season soon. Perhaps infinity bans all B2s except MG B2s <:Kek_dog:108475...
crown
hallow thistle
crown
Infinity is element restricted
But, yeah, if it's the basic R25 clear, everyone except newer players will be fine
Can just skip the risk that prevents you from fielding Crown
dim wadi
her value is precisely that, she does a good enough job at replacing the typical...
Removing mmast and helm from crown siren (in an absolute funnel team 1 for SR), we still have naga as an excellent choice if there is core, if no core and water prob will use xlud, selegg as off burst... and for other elements I cant think who would delta even replace. Maybe on wind? But over who in crown siren team? maybe crown asukaW siren reiT delta?
you should just use crown mmast with sbs anyway
so its also not optimal
knotty solar
Infinity is element restricted
oh i see
mb
i havent actually played OC in so long i forgot
river tapir
submeta char
hallow thistle
bedmeta char
marsh basin
Crown with SBS isn't optional because you get more out of Asuka on Crown and SBS with seamaids 
New wind-weak raid would mean new units anyway, so even that hierarchy might get shuffled
wraith spoke
New wind-weak raid would mean new units anyway, so even that hierarchy might get...
i can see a decent chance of her in wind weak if it happened any time soon
if it happens like 1 year from now like electric and we get a bunch more units maybe not so much
marsh basin
Until there's evidence shown that she's worse than B Alice, the claim she's unsusable is nothing but a joke, anyway, since B Alice is used 
wraith spoke
Until there's evidence shown that she's worse than B Alice, the claim she's unsu...
usually balice is like team4/5 healer no? has a little more flexibility down there not requiring a defender
marsh basin
Yup, but she's used
wraith spoke
the only defenders i can think of thats relevant is crown(t1-2) blanc(heals) tia(has naga) novel(kek) in b1/2
then cindy maiden i guess, 2b? so she doesnt really replace balice in team 4/5 i think
if balice was used
marsh basin
Just need defenders to come out 
Or, depending on the boss, her taunt-form negates need for heals since she's taking all aggro
wraith spoke
i can see a decent chance of her in wind weak if it happened any time soon
idk atm i expect it mostly on wind setup since its the element that currently wants maids together for sbs and helm burst is probably better than some of the terrible options for wind
or missing units
eager ravine
Varus??
zenith mauve
More comments on her thread than Jill's. That's gotta count for something, right>
gray terrace
No bc prob a few hundred are just arguments
Jill is boring dps anyway, not much to say
wraith spoke
it just means we agreed jill sucked together
snow crown
anniv is coming
hallow thistle
Watch Anniversary turn Jill into Rem 2
dry badge
oh rem? you mean the b2 support that literally got powercreeped a month later because crown release
and no water RL dps released ever since
calm iron
Pulled 1 copy anyway 😆 the story is hilarious better then resident evil collaboration
willow halo
i didnt know delta had booba
solemn smelt
rose bay
They removed remix so I can't draw it but imagine the vest has a hole in it so the boobs go in and get squished all around as padding
green quartz
They removed remix so I can't draw it but imagine the vest has a hole in it so t...
Nah Im sure they just upgraded her body cus she asked for it.
rose bay
i want bigger women with smaller boobs and i'm not kidding
eager ravine
We can go outside for that 🙄
rose bay
what do you want me to do with the women outside?
ripe wharf
Respectfully avoid eye contact and go about your business
eager ravine
Or go to twitchcon and do whatever you want apparently
rose bay
😭
zenith mauve
Nin-nin.
willow halo
my banana tells me to pull but my brain refuses
ripe wharf
Sometimes you just need to have post nut clarity to see how mid she is
eager ravine
looks like she's not gona have any major synergy with anni units
marsh basin
Depending on Chime detailed kit, M Mast might go back to seamaids 
Chime is freebie, so still not expecting much, but re-cast B2 + direct synergy with Crown is at least some hope
rose bay
If she's free she's gonna be poo
It happens every time
It would be pretty funny if delta got powercrept in her already questionable "weaker but more cost effective mmast/thelm alternative for crown teams specifically in SR if you need healers"
rose bay
P
How much content people care about is there aside from bossing?
Hard pushing I guess but I don't think you'd run her there since you only need one team
marsh basin
If you want to run her there, you can
I did for the longest time
The problem with Smol White is just that she's not strong enough to warrant investing heavily in
Julia treasure same situation
Her treasure is actually good, but it doesn't make her good enough for anyone but iron-mains to consider investing
but yeah, Nayuta being B2 + Chime having a resonable chance of being used means Delta's in hot water
B Ade honestly at risk if Chime's actually good
eager ravine
Isnt she eve level dps without utility?
marsh basin
Yes, and Eve level DPS isn't terrible 
eager ravine
Its under RH, Rapi, Snow White, Raven.. might aswell just use neutral dps.. which as u said is why not worth investment
marsh basin
Unless you start playing now, where Raven and Eve don't exist, and many people can't be bothered to deal with the difficulty of using SW
eager ravine
looks like im pulling cuz wind sr <@308926283482398720>
You think its worth it? I am thinking of 2nd element to invest in after electric
wraith spoke
idk
i 40 pulled her i think she may fit into wind sr
but xlud can sorta replace that spot
if u skip
green quartz
looks like im pulling cuz wind sr <@308926283482398720>
No
Just wait till kits are out
Dont make dumb decisions ngl
marsh basin
Yeah, we might end up with Siren/Chime/Crown/Wasuka/Rei and Flex/M Mast/Liberalio/SBS/M Anchor depending on what happens
and with Nayuta being a healer B2, that's one less comp in which we need healing should seamaids stay together
wraith spoke
Yeah, we might end up with Siren/Chime/Crown/Wasuka/Rei and Flex/M Mast/Liberali...
i dont expect chime to be good tbh
marsh basin
If Delta's being used as the standard, I expect Chime to be decent
wraith spoke
If Delta's being used as the standard, I expect Chime to be decent <:kek:7986779...
who was free before?
rei -> smol white -> kilo -> rapunzel jr -> mori
visual pond
Kos can I bother you in a few hours
marsh basin
Smol White is a better mobbing unit than a lot of our meta raid DPS units
visual pond
Smol White is a better mobbing unit than a lot of our meta raid DPS units <:akko...
Not anymore
She's pretty ass now
Everything considered
marsh basin
I'll take Smol White over Mihara for mobbing any day
marsh basin
Smol White is just lesser VestiTU
But yeah, while most freebies are bad, it's always been because their kits have no real use-case
Chime is a Crown buffer
Crown is Crown
visual pond
Smol White is just lesser VestiTU <:kek:798677933253853245>
Petition to give smolwhite treasure and Make her missiles true damage
visual pond
Crown is Crown
New iron DPS dropped surely
marsh basin
If she can buff Crown to an equal effectiveness as M Mast's contributions to the comp, she's in
Just piggypacking off of her queen
wraith spoke
sure
regal jetty
5.8 Skill Reset
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Skill Reset duration: From the end of the October 30, 2025 maintenance to 4:59:59, November 6, 2025 (UTC+9)
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How to reset: Enter Nikke → Character Info → Skill. Use a Skill Uninstaller to reset a character.
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Three Skill Uninstallers will be distributed through in-game mail during the duration.
Time to reset delta
willow halo
i was pulling for nayuta but got delta
rose bay
It's over
rose bay
Can you run Cinderella with no cindy buffers as filler B3 in neutral team so you can run delta as the filler 5th slot without her killing herself?
full pike
marsh basin
Aside from Laplace Tr, the rest of those have inferior generation 
And Tia gets herself killed with manual control half the time
soft sage
Delta ... in missilis tower?
past mauve
Sneak 100 and slipped right into missilis without anyone knowing
rose bay
Delta so dead nobody knows who made her
willow halo
she went from 0 to 100 in booba meters
green quartz
Dead on arrival
tepid marten
no vein = no meta
willow halo
i wish she was bigger
rose bay
Dead on arrival
Alive for a week then people realized shift up is stupid and you can still play crown SBS lib mmast
willow halo
boobja
marsh basin
I didn't reset mine
wraith spoke
I 40 pulled when I saw wind
dry badge
for some people she performs better than naga for crown+naga/delta
jaunty meadow
really? wow
rose bay
who runs crown naga anymore?
delta is basically naga but better and doesn't need core but only for the crown naga
jaunty meadow
when you use helm in another team
grizzled elbow
only reason it's better than naga cause wasuka self nerfs normal attack damage and +1mg for siren
and siren doesn't hit core for some goofy reason
jaunty meadow
and siren doesn't hit core for some goofy reason
smg much
rose bay
siren's whole damage is the ball poppers
jaunty meadow
can you showcase the damage with naga too? I just want to see if you're available
wraith spoke
jaunty meadow
marsh basin
can you showcase the damage with naga too? I just want to see if you're availabl...
This was JP #1 posted in #raid-planning , not my runs
wraith spoke
We will see when next wind Sr comes
marsh basin
But later tonight I can run that team to compare with Naga
wraith spoke
Probably next year when everything's power crept again
marsh basin
Naga is probably damage loss because shotgun
Delta being an MG gives Siren more damage
and core influence on Siren is meh
jaunty meadow
Probably next year when everything's power crept again
its wind, we get that every other sr. Just wait 2 months
marsh basin
I'll take more water SRs as a water main 
wraith spoke
Water will be low for a lot of people cuz "water is my weakest so I'm not pulling/investing"
Then water continues to be weakest cuz didn't pull/invest
Self fulfilling prophecy
jaunty meadow
we just need water cindy then a water rrh
wraith spoke
Gave Delta OL gear and 10/7/7
jaunty meadow
Gave Delta OL gear and 10/7/7
I heard even 10/1/1 is good enough
good thing I got baited by her 
marsh basin
Yeah, I didn't burst with her at all, so no need to bother with burst
T1 and T2 skill/burst mats are plentiful enough nowadays that I usually just go to 7
It's only the gold ones that hurt 
rose bay
it's over
marsh basin
Volume team 1 is so cursed
I mean, Volume use is standard for seamaids
rose bay
bro benched liter