[Delta: Ninja Thief] New Unit Megathread

[marsh basin]

Oh wait, no, you're right

I was thinking Gluttony

but that was Bready

[wraith spoke]

gluttony was siren/mihara right

bready was bs

mmast manchor was pre eva

[marsh basin]

Black Snake, ye

Brain too tired after seven SR runs

[wraith spoke]

playing 7 accounts what a chad

[marsh basin]

Arcana only a must pull for electric raids, so not counting her

[wraith spoke]

i play 1 and get tired

[marsh basin]

Nah, 4 accounts

Just had to redo some

I have 6 total, but two can't do solo raid

[wraith spoke]

i didnt even redo my casual run

only 15b

[marsh basin]

One is R only run

[hallow thistle]

There’s precedent of unit release that doesn’t really fit and continues to never fit afterwards

Sora could be considered one for all but the most dedicated pvpers

Others:

• original Ade
• Bay
• Clay
• Crust
• Flora (debatable)
• Zwei (debatable)

[robust jewel]

Trash emote already for Delta?

[marsh basin]

And then Tove was just half a year before her time

[marsh basin]

40s burst with frequent but weak healing and small buffs

More a unit for newer/weaker players to fill slots while waiting for more meta units/dupes for treasures

[hallow thistle]

I avoided listing some of the more “common sense” ones that wouldn’t fit - like Smol White, or Rapunzel: Pure Grace, or Mori. Or even Nihilister. I also avoided seasonal units.

But compared to the entire pool of units, I guess being able to list just 7 busts (with Sora included), means ShiftUp rarely releases total busts for standard pool pickup banners.

[robust jewel]

So she is quality Anni bait

[hallow thistle]

Some like Tove takes a while to come into their own, as new units are released.. small chance it happens to Ninja Delta, but could

[marsh basin]

She's much better than Quiry

She's not bad. Just not a must pull

[robust jewel]

But overall mostly eye candy

[marsh basin]

A unit for spooks when pulling Xmas limiteds

[hallow thistle]

Ah, yeah, I skipped over units that were useful for their time. I should’ve listed Quiry though, very few touched her for PvP. That’d be 8 standard pool pickup busts then… at least

[marsh basin]

Nero and Moran were also mostly busts for PvE

Nero good for like two raids

[hallow thistle]

I think Ninja Delta is too useful to be really a bust but veterans don’t need her. So idk? A pseudo-bust?

[marsh basin]

She's just a comfy unit

Like B Alice

[robust jewel]

She looks to be a unit for The 12233 setup

[hallow thistle]

Nero and Moran became CA stars so not counting them. Same with not counting Tove even though she was trash for months

[marsh basin]

CA which is relevant for less than 1% of playerbase probably

[hallow thistle]

If I go there, I’d have to start counting certain raid units as busts. Like K

[marsh basin]

K didn't have a raid

That's why she's a bust

[wraith spoke]

nero free train tho

[wraith spoke]

Maiden: Ice Rose, Guillotine: Winter Slayer - white dragon sr
Rapi: Red Hood, Scarlet: Black Shadow - mod sr
Mana - ur
Mast: Romantic Maid, Anchor: Innocent Maid - ur
Asuka: Wille, Rei Ayanami (Tentative Name), Asuka Shikinami Langley, Rei Ayanami, Mari Makinami Illustrious - MO sr
Trina - ur
Bready - bs sr
Crust - ur
Siren/Mihara - gluttony sr
K - ur
arcana - ur
Eve/raven - prov sr
Sora + 2b/a2 - ur
Sdorothy/Selegg - kraken sr
Emma Eunhwa Vesti TUs - zizz sr
Bade Bmilk - mw sr
Ada Jill - gluttony2 sr

iirc it went like that?

[soft sage]

Winter SR was White Ice Dragon (Nihilister Water)

[wraith spoke]

right

[eager ravine]

Trina/Scarlet is so meh for SR.. I wonder if they held back due to concerns over pvp. Isabel actually felt like a pilgrim this raid. Anyway outside of anni lots of skips/borderline skips this year

[wraith spoke]

i skipped crust k sora, argueably TU and jill could be skips but borderline useable on their own sr (likely dead next sr)

i think everything else has a use

[regal jetty]

Partially Tove giving AS buffs which is a straight dps buff

[green quartz]

Raven: Am I a joke to you

Eve: You cannot funnel without me hahaha

[green quartz]

I told you.

And everyone.

Arca Isa will 100% be used this raid but not Scar Trina.

Well not like we have alternative DPS to Scar Trina yet anyway.

Yeah, I was right.

Scar Trina didn't get used at least by Kira.

Interesting comps ngl.

I did expect T4.

T3 with ExiaTr is unexpected but it makes sense. T2 is kinda expected (didn't know DrakeTr would be better than Doropity, though).

T1 is wild, but if you think about it, it makes sense too.

MastM, Liter, Crown, Crown + Helm all can buff Cindy's Burst. It's well thought out.

T5 is just, let's slap whatever remains together and pick the best one.

So, analyzing back, there were 4 "funnel" teams here.

[wraith spoke]

Wym u were so against me saying Isabel arcana

~~i ended up not investing in her after spreading propaganda ~~

[green quartz]

No.

I never said I was against you.

More like I didn't realize you were suggesting Tove Isa Arca.

I was against Trina Scar.

[wraith spoke]

I never believed in Trina scar arcana Isabel I think that was the least likely outcome

[green quartz]

I know.

It's a wack team.

Lol.

[wraith spoke]

I thought either tove or with Cindy to get more Cindy bursts

[green quartz]

I rmb Kira suggesting it.

I was like hmm u sure

[green quartz]

Yes

Pre raid

I already felt like Arca Isa would be a must.

I told people in Maincord no Arca Isa = doom.

[wraith spoke]

Scarlet believers in shambles

[green quartz]

My acc has no Arca.

It's bound to be doomed.

[wraith spoke]

4 frames and benched

[wraith spoke]

I pulled arcana cuz I knew she looked stonks

But I didn't invest

[green quartz]

Scar Trina doesn't support like Arca Isa.

[wraith spoke]

[green quartz]

People think they are the same.

Cus Scar and Isa deal the same damage in Scar Trina Arca Isa team

But they're dumb

[wraith spoke]

Scar trina shafts ur 2nd dps

Arcana Isabel boofs ur 2nd dps

With more bursts

While being stacked on buffs

[green quartz]

Arca Isa are also supports

[hallow thistle]

Tove + Isabel + Arcana + Dolla + Drake, right?

[wraith spoke]

Yes

[green quartz]

I was like 50-50 whether Scar Trina would be used when I tried to cook

But I knew for sure Arca Isa had 100% use chance

[wraith spoke]

Tbh I thought scar trina would be t5 but I was also set on not building jill

[green quartz]

Yeah, I thought Doropity would be better than DrakeTr, but I guess more funneling is better.

I mean Arcana is an SG too.

But I think it depends on Isa and Arca investments.

[wraith spoke]

I don't think changing from scar trina to Jill would have been good aside from topest of top ranks

Because scar trina already likely has investment from pvp > the DMG diff prob wouldn't have mattered

[green quartz]

Jill was definitely more investment friendly.

[wraith spoke]

Vs investing in a Trina Isabel instead

[green quartz]

One unit vs two unit.

Maybe not for PvP, though

[wraith spoke]

Yea but scar trina already pops up in pvp

[green quartz]

Cus Scar Trina give PvP edge

Technically more economic

[wraith spoke]

So a lot of people already have them

At some level of invest

[green quartz]

But if you don't care about PvP

Arguably

Jill is better

[wraith spoke]

Ya

[green quartz]

But they will both die anyway

Powercrept soon

[wraith spoke]

Overall account wise I think Trina scar is better to have tho

Cuz pvp aswell

[green quartz]

Jill is a onetime use unit

[wraith spoke]

Jill is like dead dead

Yea

[green quartz]

I think Anniv is gonna be Water

This time Bready will no longer be an optional investment. Well she has never been but I didn't see reason investing in Water.

If Anniv is Water, you will invest in Anni units anyway,

So now there's reason to invest in Bready.

So preparation tip for T50/100/200 chasers, Bready is a must.

[wraith spoke]

I already invested in bready

I didn't invest into xguillo phantom as much I hope they get benched

For ani

[green quartz]

Nah.

They have like 30-50% chance of use.

But I think investments in the anni units will be the determiner.

[wraith spoke]

I've had bready maxed since black snake cuz I used her for clear

The 109 CD/h was calling me

[green quartz]

Whale.

[wraith spoke]

I do think phantom and xguillo r weakest links for replacement tho

Like useable but not really amazing

So I didn't go hard I hope Ani replaces them

[green quartz]

30-50% chance for me are usable but not guarantee use.

As in some people will use them.

Some won't.

Still the biggest determiner will be anniv units cus funnel.

And moderately Bready, QQ, HelmTr, and XLud.

[marsh basin]

I was talking about my investment

I didn't put many rocks into Stellar Blade units cuz iron is my dump element

[dim wadi]

regret it already

off to test I go (she is trash)

[regal jetty]

Oh game is up?

[dim wadi]

it is

[regal jetty]

20 pulls. Time to try

[willow halo]

is delta good

is macross delta good

[kindred current]

her portrait is peak

[regal jetty]

Lmao bug

Recommended skill level 1/1/1

[ripe wharf]

How

how can they be this sloppy

[zenith mauve]

28 single pulls. Plus she's cute, so I can't be mad.

[regal jetty]

Cannot even test as cannot level up skills

[zenith mauve]

Shows normal for me

[regal jetty]

Wait i restart

[ripe wharf]

Oh you didn’t restart yet thought that was even after restart

[regal jetty]

Ok they fixed it

Cos i was crashing in shooting range

[ripe wharf]

Ok test her now

[regal jetty]

10/1/1 delta vs 10/10/10 helm, iron weak

Did i just waste my mats?

[stone cove]

Considering that your Delta has literally half as much combat power as your Treasure Helm, probably not. That's pretty good returns for maxing out just one skill.

Also, a more fair comparison would probably be Mast vs. Delta

[gray terrace]

Try xlud

And also without eve

Also did you have same amount of bursts

Helmt team should gen faster in auto still I think

[merry forge]

In this team she only gives 12% of damage taken and healing?

[regal jetty]

Mast will 100% do better so i didn't bother testing

[regal jetty]

I did full auto. Manual should be faster actually

For a flex unit i think she's not a bad option if helmt is needed somewhere else

[stuck vigil]

kinda looks like makoto nijima from persona 5

persona collab when?

[zenith mauve]

The supposed kiss of death for any gacha game 🙁

[stuck vigil]

aa shiet dont be like that haha, isnt that nier automata

[zenith mauve]

Already had two, neither of which I was here for....but Nier is a collab slut anyways. I think we're safe

We already have "Persona at home" anyways lol

[midnight flax]

90 pulls, all purple

IFAK

[snow crown]

hi guys

so no pull

[dry badge]

no

[snow crown]

ok ty

[stuck vigil]

i dont know how u guys can resist those ninja bazookas

[midnight flax]

I can after 90 pulls no SSR, i got one copy at 100 pulls and done

[stuck vigil]

that sounds to me like u did not resist after 90 and still went

[midnight flax]

i mean ain't no way 100 pulls no SSR

[swift cliff]

Hi

[regal jetty]

Helm higher damage overall on auto due to the faster burst gen

If just considering 12FB in total. Helm still had about 15s remaining

[snow crown]

anniv next banner

[swift cliff]

I want ninja bazookas more

[marsh basin]

So yeah, good unit for people who don't have the dupes to get Helm treasure confirmed

[raw swift]

If only poli treasure didnt only added pvp kits instead of actual kits buff
Delta kinda make a good pair with her both defender b2 40s
But alas

[eager ravine]

I was telling everyone isabel would be op this raid tho xd.. scarlet trina I knew they weren't as good.. but didn't expect THAT bad.. at least jill doesn't require a support that's not great for other units.. could def see scarlet gone (at least with trina) by next raid

[marsh basin]

Biggest issue with Trina is that her best buffs only affect Scarlet

The other unit with her basically gets nothing aside from MAYBE the burst damage bonus in the case of, say, Raven

And Scarlet doesn't have 2025 hypercarry DPS

[eager ravine]

Yeh hypercarry need to be 2bn +.. my scarlet wasn't even close to that lol

[marsh basin]

Though stats showed that Trina was still one of the best options for T5

Only 16% less usage than Arcana

Almost tied with Mari and 22% above Grave

[marsh basin]

Main reason I didn't want to pull

[eager ravine]

I couldn't find a place for grave myself

[marsh basin]

Grave was screwed kit-wise this time

[molten wing]

anyone know deltas skill prio?

[marsh basin]

Only benefit she gave really was burst gen

[marsh basin]

S1 > S2, but honestly don't go past 4/4/4 atm

No point in investing until she has a use-case

[molten wing]

k ty

[marsh basin]

Espcially with anni coming

Knowing Shift Up, both units will be 10/10/10

[regal jetty]

Trina just needed to work with 2 elec AR

[regal jetty]

I hope we get skill reset.. i used my limited resources on delta

[marsh basin]

For a more constructive post than just "Skip":

Delta NT is a comfortable flex unit who provides a mixture of healing and buffs, albeit with lackluster potency in both.

She shines primarily for F2P and newer players who still lack Helm's treasure or who can't run solo raid with healers on a consistent basis.

She likely won't see use outside of raids, as we already have healers and buffers of significantly higher potency in the wishlist pool.

Her banner should still be up by the time we see the kits for the anniversary units, and she should be added to the standard pull immediately in the anni update, so, waiting until the end of the banner is highly advised should you be considering pulling.

TL;DR: Low priority comfort unit. Leaving for wishlist is ideal in favor of anni/Xmas/NY units

Now back to work I go

[faint juniper]

Has been for 3 years
lol

it's good, Elysion really needs more wishlist nikkes

[stuck vigil]

holy shiet her taunt effect looks so damn cool... she makes a hologram decoy or something

[eager ravine]

I am tweaking so bad.. really like her design.. but i know i should wait till anni kits are released

[analog aurora]

Damn. Her design is top tier. Not so much for her kits.

[covert pendant]

seeegg now

[stuck vigil]

not to mention she has the best machinegun shooting animation yet, everyone else (aside from summer elegg) stiff as a board

[snow crown]

but helm can be obtained everywhere 🙁

[ripe wharf]

Fuck dude

If Anni wasn’t in two weeks

I’d be balls deep

[snow crown]

sad to say she's not gonna be seen like that in a daily baiss.. i mean compared to meta ones that you use for like anything... she's only be benched..

[stuck vigil]

i mean my head agrees but my other head...

[marsh basin]

Yes, but someone in my union has been playing since first half-anni and still only has 1LB Helm

Luck is a thing

Have another union mate from first half-anni who has never rolled Privaty. LB0 from freebie

[ripe wharf]

I’ve been playing since Tove

Only got scarlet this year too

[marsh basin]

Yeah, the Privaty union mate also still has no SW

[eager pilot]

I can't get Isabel for the life of me.

[ripe wharf]

That’s good tho

Each isabel and harran could’ve been a red hood or scarbs

[eager pilot]

I have every Pilgrim besides her. I just want her to have her.

[marsh basin]

Isabel > Scarlet for PvE tho

Now Harran, that's a

[ripe wharf]

thought my PvP investments in scarlet Trina would work out in pve but yikes

They dogshit

[eager pilot]

Did they nerf Scarlet in PvP? I haven't touched PvP in a long time so I wouldn't know.

[ripe wharf]

Nah scarlet just old

Trina was built to buff her in PvP

[green quartz]

Delta tier: ? ? B C

Maybe

[midnight flax]

Phatom Thief.

huehuehuehue

Seriously, Phantom Thief squad is a joke

Gameplay match lore

[dim current]

Nah, man. Nothing further from the truth. Just add jackal, maybe a healer and make sure is a 2 shot burst and you are set.

[ripe wharf]

Jackal, in solo raid?

[rose bay]

trust the plan

[wraith spoke]

@green quartz

i think it ended here

[green quartz]

Yeah shes shit then time to undo my review because of your mistaken math

[potent bane]

[river tapir]

so is she caca or not

she looks caca

[rose bay]

she's caca if you only care about one team but she can help with balancing teams

so basically SR only unit

but she revives maids kind of

new bready tech copium

[river tapir]

oh i skipped bready

[rose bay]

1 delta burst - 4 crown bursts to keep bready shooting

[river tapir]

I broke my no waifus only meta rule

because she is such an anti-waifu

[rose bay]

but she's so fucking fat

[river tapir]

that's why she's an anti-waifu

no fatties

[rose bay]

cringe

[river tapir]

that team is using siren, crown and Thelm

that is indeed some POWERFUL copium

[rose bay]

i am

the bready main

[river tapir]

ahh okay, you should ask for a flair

[rose bay]

doc said no more special snowflake roles

[river tapir]

she's the only unit I refused to pull on bc of her looks

[rose bay]

except cdub because he deserves it for all the pain he went thorugh

[river tapir]

cdub has been through some shit

i'm glad mihara got an overspec

[rose bay]

delta HAS to play with crown or she fucking dies instantly

so might as well go all out on her team

it's funny how delta is team 1 or team bench with no inbetween

[river tapir]

holy shit she steals crown?

yeah that kind of makes her caca

[rose bay]

she has to play with a defender ally

how many defender units do you know

[river tapir]

otherwise you'd have to invest in so much delta to make her worth it

Crown, Centi, blanc

off the top of my head, but I just closed nikke

[rose bay]

basically those + cindy

[river tapir]

you could bunny revival her with blanc for 52% damage taken up

[rose bay]

and how many of those would be able to play with delta

[river tapir]

if they stack

[rose bay]

blanc can't go 2b2 because she's 60s without bunny

[river tapir]

rogue, blanc

rouge blanc, delta, cindy, (anis?)

[rose bay]

so you have to run bursting noir or rouge in a cindyless team

Delta basically has 2 team options

[river tapir]

what's wrong with bursting rouge? she's a good B1

and she enables blanc

[rose bay]

i meant bursting noir

blanc noir has the issue of rouge doing barely anything for units that aren't cindy and cindy team already has an off burst unit

[river tapir]

the team I just tossed up should be decentish, but it's kind of a stretch to call her worth it

esp with anniversary around the corner

iirc this is the last event before anni

[rose bay]

i think delta basically has 2 teams, crown team 1 that lets you use helm and maids elsewhere, or cindy if you don't have xmaiden

[river tapir]

that's pretty awful

taking crown from a main team is brutal

[rose bay]

depends on how bad being perma taunted is too

you could put her with a different b2 but she'll probably die

[river tapir]

it's traditionally been so bad that the only ones who can survive are things with invuln phases

[rose bay]

also she'll need a healer because taunt delta doesn't self heal

[river tapir]

like noah or makima or crown

[rose bay]

basically she's a SR only unit if you really like bready but don't want to waste maids on her

but you have to waste crown on her

[river tapir]

so even then not actually worth it

just because of crown

[rose bay]

depends

crown delta is worse than crown mast and maybe crown helm but it gives you a lot of flexibility

also maybe anni will have more defenders

probably not because this is the bait banner and they don't usually balance for them

if any of the 3 new pilgrims are defenders delta gains a lot of value

also she's a slot 5 unit that doesn't need overloads and barely needs skill levels

that's probably important

if anyone wasted 100 rocks and a billion books getting xmaiden or selegg to 10/10/10 12/12

[marsh basin]

3s refresh shield means vs bosses she won't die quickly

Lemme get on computer and I'll actually test her vs Harvester

[marsh basin]

Yeah, looks like Delta is perfectly fine vs single-hit attacks due to the very fast shield regeneration

Harvesters beams can't hurt her

The machine guns are a problem since I'm running her 4/4/4 with +0 T9s and R0 doll tho

Shield HP is insufficient

Crown died 7 seconds from the end

[marsh basin]

M Mast at home

Died basically the same time Crown did

So, with M Anchor's help, actually survived almost the entire fight with taunt vs Harvester with only +0 T9M gear

So that's another thought

Delta can function as a lesser M Mast when M Mast is used with Crown

In fact, with M Mast, I can't actually keep Siren alive on 99% FA

Though, if manually controlled to make sure everyone lives, obviously M Mast is far superior to Delta

[faint juniper]

More or Less same Damage Amp as Xlud's dmg amplification
without the damage of Xlud herself

[marsh basin]

Yup

You're trading off extra DPS for healing, basically

Although with distr damage DPS, the DPS loss would be less

Manual Kraken (M Mast at Home: Seamaids Edition™)

Anchor/Crown at Home™

M Mast at Home: Crown Edition™ (alternating bursts)

B Alice for comparison

[marsh basin]

vs off-burst Delta (only Crown bursts)

So Delta > B Alice in the cases where B Alice is used

[solid vector]

Balice creep

[marsh basin]

Yeah, testing her out, I feel like she's basically a Jack of All Trades, Master of None unit

She takes traits from Crown, M Mast, and M Anchor and puts them together, inferior to each of them individually in order to provide flexibility

She'll be quite useful for anyone missing any of those units

[zenith mauve]

Have past pre-anni units given any insight into anni unit kits? Like, as an example, would Delta be designed to work with Nayuta or whoever we get?

I'm just starving for Nayuta info tbh

[marsh basin]

Not the units directly before, no

Quiry was pre-Red Hood, and Rumani was pre-Cindy

Rouge, who was the precursor support for Cindy, was three events prior

Tia/Naga, who were Red Hood's main supports for a long time, were two events prior

[zenith mauve]

okie dokie, 'tis my first anni, so I have no idea what to expect

[swift cliff]

Expect a must pull unit

[marsh basin]

Yeah, we'll want both

And we'll hopefully see their kits during the stream

We always get at least summarized versions, and most of the time, the JP stream actually reads out the skills

[swift cliff]

Manifesting anniversary unit that converts over healing into dmg that would make delta usable

[marsh basin]

Delta is already quite usable. Just not meta

[swift cliff]

Nicee

[marsh basin]

Compared to Sora, who was so bad I don't even remember her kit (nor own her even on my whale account )

Shame since I actually liked her

[marsh basin]

Also, we'll 100% know the kits before Delta's banner ends

[zenith mauve]

a hair over 800 mileage, 40 or so rainbow tickets, 35k and some change gems. Will probably buy the entire step-up package before it leaves in the next few days (still mulling that one over). I'm just super hyped for Nayuta right now. Hopefully I can stick her in my campaign team

[marsh basin]

so if by chance Delta's kit is somehow meta for one of those units, we'll still have a chance to pull for her before the update drops and banner ends

[eager ravine]

Do you see a world where it's beneficial/more overall SR damage.. to give delta to crown, reunite Maids and helm to another team?

Na.. now I think more.. anni will surely bring a broken support

[merry forge]

I think she will be also in the step up selector, at the end of the year

[rose bay]

🚮 unit 🚮 event

Nice qeq phantom teammate

[foggy valve]

really late but can i see a comparison with mana on this boss/comp

[marsh basin]

I can relogin in a second, though note my main account's Mana is very low investment (my alt has 10/10/10)

[marsh basin]

4/4/5 Mana, +0 T9Ms

About to pass out, but, if I manage to get Delta in 10 pulls on alt, I'll compare her with full invest Mana. Just can't cross compare between accounts cuz my alt is a wind main with crazy good Siren/SBS/Wasuka compared to my main

[drowsy hamlet]

thx

[bronze hemlock]

SO is Delta any good? Before I fully commit to skipping her?

[robust jewel]

Maybe quick to see community verdict with there not being a raid to wait for.

But rn hearing not so great for her kit in comparison to the eye candy she has.

[wraith spoke]

isnt that just saying give helmT to crown and reunite maids which is a dps loss

[bronze hemlock]

Doesn't help that she's a 40s B2 Nikke.

[robust jewel]

Yeah forcing to go the 12233 approach.

[bronze hemlock]

Which already takes a massive shit all over her usage unless your name is Mast or Anchor.

[robust jewel]

Yeah they the exception since they cover their weak points.

[bronze hemlock]

Or in the case of Mast, pairs perfectly with Crown for maximum damage.

I hear of her in PvP, but I'm not too sure.

[eager ravine]

Helm went to mihara/miranda team last fire raid. So on fire you could have crown/delta, maids, helm/miranda.. probably not tho because the go to seems to stack team 1 and 2 generally..

Fire has what..

Rapi/crown + mast
Mihara/miranda
Shotgun/Drake
Grave team

Asuka/rei
Modernia gets chucked in somewhere

Yeah doesn't seem worth splitting mast from crown.. asuka is useless without core.. and modernia doesn't fit with maids either.. I cant even trick myself into pulling

[wraith spoke]

fire also doesnt have a good target to reunite maids on

closest is wind raid i think

the question is do you want to use helm burst on wind raid, maybe?

and how much gain are you getting for this unit

[eager ravine]

Oh I forgot alice

[wraith spoke]

because i asume we will see maids sbs alice -> crown asuka rei siren

[eager ravine]

Wind has so little options probably best to just stack for one or two comps

Ok I am convinced she's pretty useless

[wraith spoke]

the real exception will come when we see ani kits tbh

maybe we get some copium big dist dmg burster that wants crown

or we will see a new support and completely dumpster her more

[dim wadi]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/1o8n3iv/mega_guide_delta_ninja_thief_review/

@visual pond ☝️

[regal jetty]

Lol is this guy legit?

[dim wadi]

you think its too high ratings?

[regal jetty]

Boss neutral or not doesn't matter she no dps

[dim wadi]

standard tierlist format

[pearl wren]

Maid mast or normal mast?

[regal jetty]

Is the max score S?

Or like ssssss

[dim wadi]

max rating should be same as prydwen so SSS

and no, she is unusable in any investment

👍 only option is "I miss half the units, so can she work?"

[bronze hemlock]

Maid Mast.

[bronze hemlock]

What spot would she even fill until you get...whatever Nikke you're missing?

In theory I mean.

[regal jetty]

She's usable though. Heals and debuffs are useful

[dim wadi]

for?

and over who

[regal jetty]

Wdym over who? You look at the kit, she's not bad per se. She's fine if you want to use her

[dim wadi]

I miss any burst 2 that is 20 seconds

realistically, I would give her a notch over SR anis for new players

she is really bad per see

im sorry, what do you consider good?

[regal jetty]

Jill is the very bad

Imo

[dim wadi]

incorrect

jill is super niche selfish dps

over neutral unbuilt neutral option she is >

[regal jetty]

Wrong reply

[dim wadi]

[regal jetty]

Jill does yr 2023 dmg

[dim wadi]

and still can be used over unbuilt neutrals

not the best, not even close to an alright option

but its there

on the other side, delta is so underwhelming that I could use an SR unit over her

40 seconds of cd is really, really bad

20 sec cd wouldnt save her, but 40 seconds kill her

and also, the only usable part of the essay kit is the 20% dmg taken at maxed skills

[regal jetty]

We are at the point where 40s doesn't matter. Its the kit

[dim wadi]

and your point being

kit is bad anyway

[regal jetty]

She usable if you want to use

You want to skip its fine

[dim wadi]

so just because you want to force her use she should be higher tier?

[regal jetty]

But she's alright imo

[dim wadi]

I disagree

[regal jetty]

So what is C tier?

[dim wadi]

alright is crust

alright is idk

A tier is Alright

Bad

Complete unusable

something along those lines

[regal jetty]

You rather put crust in A and delta in C

What is this?

Even bready didn't even use her

Sustained dmg rather use sRosanna

[dim wadi]

For you to see how bad delta is lol

Crust has better buffs

[regal jetty]

But she's unused?

[gray terrace]

Ranking crust over delta is crazy

Crust loses to balice in usage

[rose bay]

crust basically exists for bready so if it's not a water raid she's not going to get used

and Bready has giga inflated attack so her mid attack buffs aren't even that good

Crust is a walking distributed damage buff and only SBS/Bready do relevant distributed damage

if you want to run them you can probably give them maids

[rugged lake]

isnt she a better flex than thelm for crown in some scenarios where you have sufficient burst gen for her buff uptime ?

ofc if you need healing

[dim wadi]

who is really using delta with crown

in a real scenario

[dim wadi]

same as delta will be

[dim wadi]

and delta will follow suit

[gray terrace]

that's very doubtful

unless it's a boss that consistently bypasses shield or does many instances of dmg very fast

even having a delta living through 2 min then dying is higher dmg than using balice

delta should be around neutral xlud in that rating (assuming offburst)

[rugged lake]

i can see her being used on wind-weak in a crown/siren team, eg siren/crown/wasuka/wrei/delta, so you get the most out of siren's dps while having better buffs than thelm

[dim wadi]

you cannot be serious

im sorry no.

[rugged lake]

why ?

[dim wadi]

she will held the team back

its lower final damage

and survival is not that important anymore

a lot of bosses can be tackled without healers

and the few cases that do need

we have better options

[rugged lake]

i dont know what you mean tbh, i know shes not a must to have, but still shes fine as SR unit, she's on par with thelm with buffs and does heal

[dim wadi]

on my testings

that did not hold true

final dmg was low

way too low

to even warrant wasting a slot

[rugged lake]

shes does better than thelm as flex, but you need to have sufficient burst gen for that, like in this example

[dim wadi]

can I copy the setup and run myself?

but oh well

rapu/marci over delta in there did a shy 8%-10% less

also those teams are pretty pilgrim heavy

idk man, saying she is a good flex over several other b2 is unrealistic

and btw, that she has more final dmg as helm is pretty unreal too

is that helm 0 ele 0 atk 0 ammo?

come on...

[dim wadi]

now that I see this, you should discart all xlud self dmg?

I cannot see that holding true

at all

its very little improvement vs units that just heal

if the whole argument is "use with crown" then be my guest to justify using her over anyone else that is better

[pine fractal]

what in the copium

any reasonable Helm would not be doing piss poor off-burst damage

how much of that is Delta is good
and how much of that is B1 personal damage from one extra MG
+140mil gain on Siren personal damage in fire weak?

all these hyper optimistic pairings
in which scenario would you allow Crown to be wasted with DeltaNT

[gray terrace]

less personal dmg, but getting heals/taunt, aka, better team sustain

against bosses with primarily st attacks, a decent delta should replace a healer like balice fairly well

if you consider 12% dmg taken very little improvement, then ig ppl using off-burst xlud should have just ran any other off-burst dps instead

and ig eve's only job ever in hyper rapi is personal dmg

since that 10% dmg taken is useless

[dim wadi]

I dont remember a boss I was forced to use a healer into aside from hard 38 and hard 40

and maybe the anchor shenanigans

[gray terrace]

who tf using delta in campaign

[dim wadi]

or SR too

looking at enikk

[gray terrace]

yeah those are guys with max core max doll like everything, and sweats

[dim wadi]

im f2p and didnt since prob black snake

[gray terrace]

if we use them as the sole guide for unit usability, then ig balice is same tier as crow

actually she does give ammo, but that's all she'll ever offer yeah?

[dim wadi]

and enable crown

as much as delta does

[gray terrace]

balice crown is the actual brick

[dim wadi]

so square 1

[gray terrace]

12% dmg taken

[dim wadi]

too few

[gray terrace]

it's why xlud off-burst is used (well not so popular these days)

[dim wadi]

and others burst 2 exist

[gray terrace]

and why eve is good on hyper rapi

delta burst doesn't matter

unless niche comp

she's off-burst in almost all use cases

[dim wadi]

I dont see anyone using crown either alone or with mmast/naga/helmt

aside from people that want to force delta use

she will prob never be used in raids

[pine fractal]

why is Crown still in the conversation
do we really need this unrealistic "best case" scenario
in order to justify DeltaNT
any sensible player would not be running this

[gray terrace]

delta doesn't need to be forced to put in crown, although that is possible

[dim wadi]

well if there is no crown

[gray terrace]

assuming there's a core-less raid where you want to run maids + helmt (dot ig) + crown

[dim wadi]

then delta is literally trash tier

there is no salvation for a 40 sec cd b2

[gray terrace]

delta solo just needs to be able to survive vs boss, which prob is invest and boss dependent

[dim wadi]

what boss we talking about man

[gray terrace]

unless it's a boss that actually requires 0 healing

[dim wadi]

mat H UR?

or what

[gray terrace]

boss doing too much dmg for no healer (xlud), few enough attacks to not need high heals (balice)

[dim wadi]

in what element even too

[gray terrace]

element doesn't matter

[dim wadi]

ok lol

[dim wadi]

im muting this channel

[gray terrace]

not sure why you even think element matters

throw her on grave team or something, tf does element do here

throw her on any team if you need slight sustain in an off-burst

[pine fractal]

most solo raid don't strictly require healing
we have so many options for sustain
doll, cover repair, shield, heals
so I especially don't understand the emphasis on team wide healer being this major selling point

[dim wadi]

why wouldn't it matter

[gray terrace]

what dmg is delta even doing ele or not

[dim wadi]

and does she provide

to the team

aside from literally being dead weight

without "crown"

[gray terrace]

taunt + buff?

[dim wadi]

SR is not pvp, taunt is useless
9% dmg taken buff?

really

what boss

[pine fractal]

if you want damage taken debuffer
AsukaW and XLud exists, and won't hold back the team that much
AND won't waste investment materials because they are actually relevant units

[dim wadi]

looking at the last 20 solo raids needed a taunter

[gray terrace]

neither provide any sustain

[dim wadi]

you are dense

or faking it

[gray terrace]

not sure how to break it to you, but vast vast majority of playerbase can't do healerless SR most of the time

[pine fractal]

#1427932381091987547 message please read

[gray terrace]

read this too

[dim wadi]

that would hold true, if delta was the only sustain ingame

so lets see

[gray terrace]

who else can offburst sustain + buff aside from naga

[dim wadi]

rouge naga blanc maids helmT

[gray terrace]

rouge is locked

naga is core-only

blanc is locked (kinda)

[dim wadi]

says who

you?

[gray terrace]

you telling me you gonna run blanc noir

instead of something like grave delta?

[dim wadi]

if I need to scrap the end of the barrel for teams so trash

I wouldnt even reach 10% in SR

so your point is that you are sync 200 with no OL or dolls in any1

hell yeah brother

[pine fractal]

I haven't seen someone play devil's advocate for a cause this worthless in a while

[dim wadi]

you really think grave alone isnt better? lmao this is insane

[pine fractal]

if you truly speak for the casuals, you'd know Naga will be ran regardless of existence of core
look at the more popular SG comp against Merciless Judge
Tove Naga MPriv BSoda Drake

[gray terrace]

you do realize grave balice is quite common right?

[dim wadi]

hahaha

lol

[gray terrace]

personally I run it more often than I run healer-less grave

I don't mald

0.5% every raid

ig I'm casual

you guys are around top 200 SR ppl too much

[gray terrace]

my naga did almost as much as bsoda

[dim wadi]

or maybe you are an outlier

and inside your bubble cannot reach the surface

[gray terrace]

naga on coreless boss outside of sg/tia is just balice

[pine fractal]

and this is suppose to give you credibility when you say Delta is good because "sustain"

k

[gray terrace]

if delta sustain is good enough, she's a sustain that also universally buffs

balice powercreep

that's good enough to be usable for most

[dim wadi]

frog in a well!

carry on

aha, also

top 8% dont need sustain too

in the last 3 raids

but ig im the wrong one LOL!

[gray terrace]

?

ofc you almost never need sustain, look at top players???

but how many actually go no sustain?

[dim wadi]

8% is top?

[gray terrace]

you can get 50% no sustain running trash team max doll max core, what's your point

[dim wadi]

sync 227

no need 5 teams with heals

nah man whatever

[gray terrace]

go ask an avg player to run that comp

[dim wadi]

worthless convo

yeah full auto

avg player meta

bye bye

[pine fractal]

Delta good because sustain, got it
that is the full extent of the rationale behind this take
completely discarding that she does not exist in a vaccum

better options exist as off burst
better methods exist on surviving
and better hills to die on exists

[gray terrace]

you wanna run xlud off-burst, you wanna run healer what you do?

[pine fractal]

I would first look at the boss I'm up against
the rest of team members, gauge my options
then soon realise that Delta is, optimistically, on page 2 in my list of alternatives

[gray terrace]

going off prydwen tierlist in b2 slot, I would put her in bossing around A tier, arguably bottom A/top B tier depending on how high you value peak (1 element) performance

[pine fractal]

holy copium

[gray terrace]

seems extremely reasonable to me

A tier

B tier

although idk what leona is doing there

[pine fractal]

I don't need to speak on Trina and Arcana, we witness their value this week against electric weak
same goes for SHelm against iron weak
these three cannot be benched if the player wish to score high
ViperT is tough, water is a competitive element, but with enough ELE in OL, usable
if you think Delta can be compared to any of these four, you're high

[gray terrace]

yes that's why I included this

delta peak is ofc lower than them

[pine fractal]

Delta doesn't peak at all

[dim wadi]

what is delta peak btw

[gray terrace]

her floor is higher than their floor

[dim wadi]

for you

like

80 40 + core 7

[gray terrace]

prob a boss that wants to run helmt, maids, crown separate, no core

[dim wadi]

what

[gray terrace]

what, isn't that like the optimal situation for delta

[dim wadi]

no?

[gray terrace]

helmt maids off the table, naga off the table

who else you use as flex for crown

ig off-burst dps like mihara is possible

[dim wadi]

or raven

[gray terrace]

xlud prob depends on xlud invest

[dim wadi]

or anyone really actually

man actually, if you want to use her

[gray terrace]

I don't think most dps off-burst will do better than 12% dmg taken for your hyper

[dim wadi]

be happy, she is really pretty

off meta is the way, one handed full auto

if having healers make it possible

[gray terrace]

you really do need to check some other channels where ppl post their runs

[dim wadi]

yes I check newbie

and help daily

if you are out of touch because you are in a bubble

please, actually you need to check channels

[gray terrace]

how many ppl can you find between 1% and 3% that run no healers

oh what's this, 88 rank with naga as healer t1?

must be ass

tbf they didn't need naga

[dim wadi]

that is for scarlet not to kill herself...

[gray terrace]

trina is enough heals

maybe low invest trina

[dim wadi]

bad example

[gray terrace]

my trina actually solo sustains very well

can even eat a fart

yeah lemme find another

you want me to count naga on sg?

prob not, naga dmg quite good personally, so more than healer

1.52%, some weird ass teams tbh

[pine fractal]

oh look, Naga as healer t1?
and sustainless t5?
shield only t4?

how can someone be this... confident

[dim wadi]

t2 no healer

[gray terrace]

1.03%

tiga over grave

[dim wadi]

t1 no heal

again

[pine fractal]

I can't

[dim wadi]

mate really

please

its not wrong to admit being incorrect

[pine fractal]

I like Delta as a character
but you don't see me huffing that copium this hard

[gray terrace]

why they running tiga over grave + flex if they can really go no healer on all

this raid is more healer-less friendly than most others we've had tbh

[dim wadi]

man please, please

you already proved yourself wrong

[pine fractal]

the more pending question is
why does someone who clearly values comfort over meta
weighing in on meta

[gray terrace]

? meta? you mean this line?

you can argue her being just below that line, I would be fine with that

I could very well see her top 200 usage rate being extremely low, maybe none for a few raids

if that's what you mean by meta

those same players would rate balice as pretty trash, idk her usage rate top 200, prob almost none as well

[pine fractal]

I'm not the guy who said Delta is equal to the likes of SHelm or Trina

[dim wadi]

so you will really just ignore anything said

why chat at all?

[gray terrace]

she's better than dolla and marciana tho? and rem too

actually maybe not rem, maybe giga invest can be usable these days, haven't seen her in forever tho

[pine fractal]

Rem has actual personal damage, depending on investment
Dolla is BiS in Arcana team previous raid, in case you're not paying attention
Marciana? perhaps

[dim wadi]

marci should drop a tier

same as rapu maybe

[pine fractal]

when is the last time I've seen Marciana used

[gray terrace]

rapu is higher

[pine fractal]

rapu is higher

[gray terrace]

if no balice, rapu is off-burst healer

marci needs to burst

marci < rapu

[pine fractal]

ok we've peaked

I can't

[dim wadi]

yes she is higher than marci ok

but marci is really C

[gray terrace]

actually marci prob doesn't need to burst, but heals are worse anyway

I don't think the dolla ranking has changed due to this raid

this raid sure, but she was there before this raid

[dim wadi]

sometimes used

by ppl that miss b1 cdrs

[pine fractal]

in case words get put in my mouth
I never suggested this

[gray terrace]

yeah but dolla being better is just bc of this raid no?

at least mostly

[dim wadi]

too bad, ill screenshot

[gray terrace]

but she was there before

[dim wadi]

dolla is the same rank

not better

she is cdr

and 20 sec, somewhat good buffs

worlds better than delta for example

[gray terrace]

they don't really even compete for same slot, dolla competes kinda for b1 more often, so dolla is a weird one

b2 cdr is weird case

[dim wadi]

ok so

can you test yourself

same teams as sent

[gray terrace]

here are the guys in C btw

[dim wadi]

marci over delta

check dmg % difference

[gray terrace]

? you serious? ok what team

I'll prob have to scope lock, ain't building marci so her dmg is passable

bc marci is offering heals and personal dmg, that's it

in bossing, I don't think any of the guys in C except maybe novel can beat delta

[dim wadi]

actually its prob useless because im back to square 1 into healing crown

just use any team you like

and compare

[pine fractal]

you know what's funny?

[gray terrace]

mari can't even heal crown well actually

[pine fractal]

THIS IS ON WATER WEAK

SHelm is USELESS HERE

[gray terrace]

isn't that due to extra cdr

[pine fractal]

I CAN'T

THIS GUY

[dim wadi]

run 4 man team

vs 5 with delta

leave 1 slot empty

[gray terrace]

12% dr undiluted translating to 4% dmg gain

[pine fractal]

the Delta differential

[gray terrace]

yeah her dmg taken is somehow way less than it says? something like that?

[dim wadi]

you need to burst to get all the dmg taken

[gray terrace]

12% off-burst

[dim wadi]

at 10/x/10

[gray terrace]

bursting delta is brick in almost every situation

[dim wadi]

or is it just s1

[gray terrace]

except some weird crown ones with dist iirc according to maths, maybe those changed

just s1

[dim wadi]

dist buff doesnt matter

at all

for sbs

bready

quency

[dim wadi]

whoever else has it

[gray terrace]

this is like 95% of her value

[dim wadi]

12% is too low

its almost 0

[gray terrace]

12% is 12%, plus some slight sustain (boss dependent)

it's enough to sway ppl into using xlud off-burst and eve with rapi in hyper

[dim wadi]

it isnt

[gray terrace]

well if you think 12% dmg taken is functionally worthless, then yeah there's nothing to be said, to you she's just a worse balice, worse sustain, same team dmg

I can definitely see where you're coming from if you have that initial assumption, I don't, so that's why we're wasting time here

[dim wadi]

which is what you can attest by testing

12% is functionally too low

[pine fractal]

I don't think 12% damage taken (at S1 level 10, off burst) has no value
but if she's meta to you, then what can I say? have fun your way

this conversation has been very unproductive

[gray terrace]

I never said she was meta (unless you mean the tierlist meta line), then she can be argued to be borderline

she's definitely usable

[dim wadi]

she is borderline unusable

[gray terrace]

yeah you put her C in boss neutral, if going by prydwen tierlist, that's too low

B minimum, A possibly depending on acc/player/boss

[dim wadi]

she doesnt belong to B tier

not even close to A

and prydwen tl is somewhat outdated too

as kisenix and snake talked abt

[gray terrace]

I don't have anything else to base tiers off of, yeah prydwen is outdated

[dim wadi]

but yeah

[pine fractal]

I still can't believe I have to explain why Delta is not on par with SHelm, Trina, and Arcana
sometimes "sustain" doesn't cut it

[gray terrace]

I'm not sure why I have to explain why she isn't same tier/lower than these guys either

og sakura is somehow in B tier (prob never updated), delta is better than her

noise is also in B for bossing

[pine fractal]

Mast can function as max HP buffer, if lack of options
Biscuit, Poli has the beloved sustain that you need
Delta has 12~20% damage taken, Novel has 67% for ~half uptime

Sakura is a 40sec B1 CDR unit

[gray terrace]

• a lack of better options (for who? 2b?) is better than delta, who's ... good for those with a lack of better options
• 40 sec sustain that offer no dmg without bursting is better than delta
• 40 sec b1 cdr in this day and age with like 6-7 better options (I think) is better than delta

[regal jetty]

Novel has 0% damage taken if you don't burst.

[pine fractal]

true

[gray terrace]

novel I can believe, never used her, but I did hear she was meta at start

[pine fractal]

I'm not saying Delta must be C tier
but being high on copium and putting Delta on A is also not healthy for you

[regal jetty]

Delta definitely doesn't fit in C tier

[gray terrace]

if you consider peaks over overall usage, yes she definitely isn't in A

[regal jetty]

Who is in A tier btw?

[gray terrace]

in neutral I sure would be more likely to use delta over arcana/viper/shelm

[pine fractal]

SHelm, Trina, Arcana, ViperT

[gray terrace]

trina arguable tbh with a pve built scar, but mine is ammo bricked now due to pvp

[pine fractal]

pick an element, ANY element, that has Delta having the same value as those four

[gray terrace]

any element those 4 are not in

[pine fractal]

lmao

[dim wadi]

...

[gray terrace]

so neutral, delta beats all 4 or tie

[dim wadi]

she does not

[gray terrace]

you telling me ppl running arcana and viper off ele?

[dim wadi]

or delta

?

[pine fractal]

you're telling me people will run Delta at all

[gray terrace]

no xlud, they run delta

how many units do they have to miss before they run those off ele

[dim wadi]

no...

[dry badge]

using tier lists when there’s constant powercreeping

[pine fractal]

lack of options apparently warrants a tier upgrade
because the meta for the player base revolves around your account situation and personal preference
got it

[gray terrace]

... yeah? at least in part? still gotta rank those outside of the meta picks?

why is novel higher than crow?

no one uses either rn

[pine fractal]

"me thinks Delta A tier because I need healing"
yea sure 😐 👍

[dim wadi]

you dont make sense

[gray terrace]

yeah same here, you guys don't make sense to me either

do you guys think she's C tier?

[pine fractal]

and what the helly is the Novel Crow comparison
Crow is B3

what the fuck

[gray terrace]

ok yuni

same thing

they should be all same tier

all never used

[dim wadi]

[gray terrace]

sure you can actually make a tierlist like that

[dim wadi]

what a perfect way to deflect

[gray terrace]

but that's not the one I'm basing this off of

[dim wadi]

did you read my review at least

[gray terrace]

tell me what I deflected

I didn't, saw the C, checked prydwen, got annoyed

[pine fractal]

in summary, "I disagree, actually"
there

[gray terrace]

is there something in your review that would somehow change where I place her in prydwen tierlist?

[dim wadi]

do read it if anything

[pine fractal]

you're so right, king

[dim wadi]

in fact, maybe

up to you

read it or not, wont change how I rate chars

[gray terrace]

you rate your list how you want, C tier can easily make sense depending on how you rated the other units

I'm just going off prydwen

[dim wadi]

waste of time

[cursive oracle]

so pull 1 just for goon?

[pine fractal]

I told my union members to skip

just for goon, sure

[gray terrace]

wowsers

your review actually is even harsher than I would assume

a lot of dramatic language huh

you focus too much on her as a bursting b2

so C tops

[pine fractal]

I like how the entire damn conversation
distributed damage isn't mentioned once

[gray terrace]

what, would it matter

[pine fractal]

[gray terrace]

I'm considering delta burst as essentially not there

[dim wadi]

surely it would give her a tier above

exactly

[gray terrace]

she's not b2 burster, she's off-burst sustain/buffer

[pine fractal]

it's the ONE thing that would make her stand out
but nope, doesn't fit my argument of needing healing
so didn't even bother bringing it up

[gray terrace]

if I take away her s1 dmg taken, bruh she's E tier?

yeah E tier

[cursive oracle]

i was under the assumption that bigger boobs meant bigger damage

[gray terrace]

actually maybe D

you essentially took away her s1 dmg taken, so now that I think about it

your review makes a lot of sense, with that initial assumption that s1 isn't there

[pine fractal]

considering that Liter has been meta for 2 years, eh

[gray terrace]

so actually pretty consistent

[cursive oracle]

i apologise im still new

[dim wadi]

12% is not enough to consider anything

[rose bay]

Delta burst is basically just for bready

You probably have a better B2 on your team

[gray terrace]

I disagree, but with that assumption, yes everything you said I agree with

[dim wadi]

when she is realistically just a dmg taken buff dead weight

[rose bay]

DMG taken buff isn't dead weight

[dim wadi]

would you give her a level 10 s1

or lv 7

[pine fractal]

lv7 is 7% iirc

[rose bay]

Especially with all the "good" standard DPS being giga self atk buff bloated to push pilgrims

I think that's the new hoyo meta

If a standard DPS is good on paper it's a bitch to buff

[dim wadi]

thats just your assumption from the top of your head

[gray terrace]

dps ain't getting dmg taken anytime soon without becoming support as well

[dim wadi]

you can even test in sync lock to not waste materials

[gray terrace]

unless they somehow make it so only the dps benefits from the dmg taken

[dim wadi]

its negligible

[rose bay]

Bready...

[dim wadi]

[gray terrace]

I don't consider bready a unit she has dmg taken?

[rose bay]

Yes

10 or 11% on her sustained DMG form

[gray terrace]

yeah but doesn't this also help team

[rose bay]

Unfortunately sustained DMG mode requires sros who has a higher damage taken

[gray terrace]

as long as dmg taken is a debuff applied on enemy, the unit inherently gains support capability

which adds extra value to a dps

so if they do it, the value stays low

[rose bay]

Or crust

[gray terrace]

so it'll never get heavily diluted until we get a new meta dmg taken support (blanc 2.0)

[rose bay]

Bready DMG taken buff is pretty close to siren

[dim wadi]

it is diluted in the formula already

[rose bay]

Bready siren tier???

[dim wadi]

dmg taken doesnt mean 1 on 1 dmg increase

[gray terrace]

? isn't dmg taken a completely separate multi

[dim wadi]

im

sad.

[gray terrace]

oh actually

dist dmg is same group

but that's it

idk what you would even do to put delta in same team as a dist dmg buffer

srosa? dot team without helmt?