errant monolith
The brand new Attacker Type, Electric Element, Assault Rifle, Burst III Nikke, Jill Valentine has been announced!
Put all findings surrounding Jill's mechanics here.
You may discuss the character here as well, like what their uses are in PvE or PvP content.
Press "follow" to add this to your channel list
I think she is meta
I think she is good bros
She is forced to go with a reload team
astral salmon
basing of the kit along with the *AR * pistol
we gotta trust the damage
lapis gyro
and what would that consist of
errant monolith
But otherwise imo she is good
peak steeple
Scarlet-Jill duo?
errant monolith
and what would that consist of
Maids or crown sanis
real kindle
Sanis comp
remote badger
Ein's partner?
peak steeple
with trina
errant monolith
sheiiit with Priv?
No
red radish
She is forced to go with a reload team
Her burst fixes reload speed though
errant monolith
with trina
Or this, yeah
errant monolith
Her burst fixes reload speed though
To near max reload
umbral pawn
Jill steal Trina from Scarlet
errant monolith
But off burst is most of the time she spends jn
remote badger
oh, she's Electric AR?
so Trina's partner?
stable kindle
mlb both jill and ada or electric brick
night tangle
mid
errant monolith
I refuse to believe this is bad
fair gull
quiet tartan
skip
night tangle
does it matter
errant monolith
70% base wep multiplier
night tangle
errant monolith
Bro
stable kindle
AR is kinda meh tbh
peak steeple
if only trina attack damage is not limited to left most AR use
errant monolith
quiet tartan
yea but what if she fires at 10% rate
errant monolith
AR is kinda meh tbh
Not that meh if the numbers are Asuka level bloated
stable kindle
asuka is gone
fair gull
ig she just doesn't want ammo lines
stable kindle
EVE is iron only
errant monolith
Asuka couldn't scale, jill can
lapis gyro
True damage pog
fair gull
won't need priv either, so that's good
night tangle
fair gull
ig scar trina jill comp
night tangle
priv reloads, gud gud
warped ridge
Which also means she doesn't pair well with trina as she gives ammo
errant monolith
she doesn't need ammo, her real dmg lies in 9 shot
She also has sustained damage
stable kindle
the question is
fair gull
her burst is forced reload speed anyway
stable kindle
nvm
night tangle
sus dmg doesn't need ammo either
fair gull
I don't think the sustained is that good, it doesn't stack
warped ridge
trina team isn't meta for electric
night tangle
Trina is acceptable with more ammo
fair gull
oh wait nvm
errant monolith
sus dmg doesn't need ammo either
Yeah ik I'm just saying she has a variety of ways she can deal damage and her base weapon isn't troll either
fair gull
she kicks out scar
night tangle
still
fair gull
damn it trina
night tangle
mid
errant monolith
I think just use them both
night tangle
🚮
fair gull
trina only buffs 1
errant monolith
trina only buffs 1
Yeah don't use Trina is what I mean
We got them units like ade and shit
stable kindle
there are so many good b2 and trina buffing one single dps is meh
fair gull
are you sure you wanna lose out on 94% atk dmg
errant monolith
K was true troll then
quick socket
One must imagine the burst gen
errant monolith
are you sure you wanna lose out on 94% atk dmg
On one unit, yeah
fair gull
ada dmg ass anyway
warped ridge
Yeah, if Jill had the opposite, like getting more damage with more ammo it would be different
fair gull
red radish
Actually can we just force reload jill even with Trina's extra ammo?
fair gull
ada is jill's sanis
red radish
Every 9 shots?
warped ridge
so she is like S.Anis, you dont want amo on her and you dont want a team that gives her ammo
summer onyx
70% base wep multiplier
Y her firerate look bad
supple pike
What about Flora/ 
summer onyx
That's not 12/s
warped ridge
~~What about Flora/~~ <:copium:943321518723710986>
open saffron
Tell me she's mid or shit so i can 1 dupe and dip
night tangle
I told
lapis gyro
shes meta
night tangle
lapis gyro
pull
open saffron
red radish
That's not 12/s
See her base att%
peak steeple
9 ammo AR 
lapis gyro
magnum ammo
warped ridge
DE ammo
lapis gyro
warped ridge
red radish
<:ScarletGun:1059356996773613598>
Scarlet getting NTR
red radish
If its 3/s, it clocks in slightly lower than asuka
stable kindle
ammo too low
i can fix it
night tangle
so 3s to empty her mag
stable kindle
the queen is back
grand whale
We've been Wonged 
warped ridge
This is actually quite good, means I dont need to waste rocks rerolling ele on scarlet 
red radish
So what's the true damage team gonna be?
warped ridge
100% focus on Ada and Jill
red radish
Absolute needs CDR
fair gull
maybe ada and jill go on separate teams even, with ada on absolute
grand whale
Also can you imagine high deficit. She's going to brutally kick ass because every shot is true damage.
Assuming her kit serves enough damage to begin with. Does it?
red radish
If only emma gets cdr
fair gull
ig you can put both them on absolute and bench trina...
but I don't think that's very efficient for jill
lapis gyro
what if you skipped absolute
stable kindle
i need more electric dps
4 ele biscuit will carry
dw
no credit and gears to make ada dps. gotta keep her off-burst
lapis gyro
quite the teams
warped ridge
OH FUCK SHE IS ATTACKER RIGHT
stable kindle
exactly. i only have 2 attacker abnormal gears left
warped ridge
guess I will shove any other T9Ms that isn't attacker up my ass
fair gull
so what's her raw dmg dps maths
peak steeple
rip extra 1 daily gems, gotta farm abnormal equipment now
supple pike
We've been Wonged <:KEKL:1008348072637636648>
plays sad trombone
Wong Wong Wooong~
fair gull
compared to max stacks scar
quick socket
guess I will shove any other T9Ms that isn't attacker up my ass
Recording it
open saffron
no abnormal t9m’s
Just play coop
tulip cape
Time to open those coop box guys
Sure hope we got triple coop too this upcoming collab for those 2 gears
lapis gyro
ight bro
quiet tartan
if I tell my past self 2 years back that we’re gonna run out of abnormal t9m’s, he’d think I’m crazy
warped ridge
I only had 1 set ready, so I need to farm for the other one
stable kindle
lapis gyro
they dont like making abnormals be other classes
warped ridge
Oh but I have 2 T9m boxes ready
So I need to farm the less shitty one
so MC it is
grand whale
Well, and to think we also kept asking for a true true damage team.. now we have one
quick socket
We?
real kindle
if I tell my past self 2 years back that we’re gonna run out of abnormal t9m’s, ...
I only have an arm t9 attacker abnormal 
💀
real kindle
Cooked
fair gull
ig this means 3rd anni prob isn't true dmg
quiet tartan
Just play coop
not enough for 2 sets
grand whale
ig this means 3rd anni prob isn't true dmg
Never say never
stable kindle
ig this means 3rd anni prob isn't true dmg
this is indeed the catch
supple pike
ig this means 3rd anni prob isn't true dmg
Nah, wait for them to pull a B1 CDR True damage supporter
quiet tartan
also running out of tetra t9m
remote badger
i hope that 3rd anni has only 2 Pilgrim/OS at maximum since i have 380 gold tickets
fair gull
oh wait
summer onyx
her AS looks like 3/s
looks like right around 3/s maybe a smidge faster
quiet tartan
thanks game for forcing majority to run kraken everyday
fair gull
grand whale
Frima still has no hope though 
remote badger
so they knew about this
quick socket
They plan for two years, remember
Source: Dev note
peak steeple
vesti stays in the arena
fair gull
what's her raw gun multi per sec @night tangle
compared to scar
just their base gun multi
supple pike
what if we like
grand whale
warped ridge
Nah not really
grand whale
I don't think they have to be
summer onyx
whats making them forced to be together
formal rock
grand whale
They do synergize nicely but it's one way. Ada buffs Jill. But Jill does nothing for Ada.
fair gull
x 1.3?
warped ridge
You'll probably want to pair Ada with another True damage dealer, and Ein is perfect for that job already
supple pike
fair gull
raw x1.3 multi then
counting just self buffs, her dmg per sec is like barely over max stack scar
scar is 701% per sec, and she's 815% per sec (actually 1285% per sec with the dot)
although she doesn't have reload issues
grand whale
If the damage comes out that Jill and Ada combo rips MC a new one, then we're looking at the answer to the MC wall for all new players that crop up during collab 
lunar mauve
Wow 9 ammo assault rifle
open saffron
olive creek
night tangle
yeah, her raw multi is higher than Scar
grand whale
Jill can probably one bullet kill the phase 2 slippers during her burst
fair gull
dot is like a third of her dmg I think
night tangle
you can change her name into Dorojill
fair gull
470% per sec with her self buffs
whole rampart
she looks mid 🤔
upbeat lance
where's the multi boss for multi-DoTing
fair gull
50% higher per sec than base scar (not including scar reloads or burst)
summer onyx
base scar kinda bad
fair gull
olive creek
open saffron
upbeat lance
still good for another collab of attackers
brave agate
For her S2 sustained dmg;
whole rampart
why is her reloading so slow in the video?
lapis gyro
still good for another collab of attackers
i have this but for pilgrims instead
i hate this gear system bro
errant monolith
<:Susge:1009041348000759899>
why is her reloading so slow in the video?
Off burst?
whole rampart
in burst
quick socket
I certainly see no burst active
errant monolith
whole rampart
kinda 50% buff
upbeat lance
maybe low skill levels
whole rampart
not 99,96%
naive valve
Her attacks be.slower than ARs
naive valve
they dont have a classification for automatic guns aside from AR, it seems
whole rampart
3 in sec
naive valve
Pistols
quick socket
I think I understand your confusion
Ohhh
naive valve
another character that gets fked over by Ammo up OL
errant monolith
For most units, the actual infinite reloading speed is ~110%
But for ARs it's actually different
ARs will always have some forced reload frames, and we can see that on scarlet quite easily, even if we give her 110% reload speed with maids and resil, she will have some forced reload frames that last like .2s, which is quite noticable
naive valve
when will SU learn that we hate this
errant monolith
While for SRs and RLs you don't see it clearly, you can see it on ARs quite easily
MGs have such a long reload time that for them those frames are acceptable for us
nimble vigil
Weak unit
grand whale
For her S2 sustained dmg;
1. Will the dmg tick proc every 1 sec for the duration...
All sustained damage appears to be 1s ticks if not noted
nimble vigil
How fast does she shoot again
errant monolith
So while it says it's reducing reload time by 99%, it's not gonna be .1s reload time, but .1+forced frames
errant monolith
How fast does she shoot again
Pretty slow lmao
lapis gyro
like a pistol
errant monolith
It's quite shit I think
lapis gyro
errant monolith
I thought it'd be 12/s
fair gull
3 a sec apparently
errant monolith
But they be trolling
fair gull
12/s would be insane dmg lol
errant monolith
Probably even a skip unit perhaps
errant monolith
12/s would be insane dmg lol
Yeah I mean that's what I thought
Like why would they make her AR
torn blaze
her burst animation deadass looks like AI-gen when you asked it to animate a static image 
grand whale
She has 9 ammo so she's a modified Assault Rifle. Normal Assault Rifles have 60 ammo.
nimble vigil
Around 4 secs to land 9 shots
grand whale
So if it takes 5 seconds to shoot all 60 ammo, then for 5 seconds to be true for shooting all 9 ammo.. ~2 per second sounds right
nimble vigil
skills look weak
Yeah looks weak
fair gull
blandest collab
fair gull
emilia has effects at least
lapis gyro
this is RE too
cobalt cradle
AYO trina shining
quiet tartan
everyone talking shit until chime is a b1 cdr true damage buffer with ammo halving+100% reload speed and crit buff
grand whale
Chime Burst: Head Toss
errant monolith
everyone talking shit until chime is a b1 cdr true damage buffer with ammo halvi...
You can't have ammo halving big bro
nimble vigil
quick socket
everyone talking shit until chime is a b1 cdr true damage buffer with ammo halvi...
She'll use hp and defense as ATK while being a supporter because it makes sense
grand whale
What happens exactly if she has say 4 ammo? Worse dps?
As in from halved by Privaty or something
summer onyx
What happens exactly if she has say 4 ammo? Worse dps?
nothing u just reload more
errant monolith
As in from halved by Privaty or something
You will reload more often = shoot less times and her
S1
summer onyx
cuz u still ahve 9 shots per reload
errant monolith
But you're relaodig early
grand whale
Considering she takes 4 seconds to unload 9 ammo
warped ridge
Her S2 sus damage already lasts for 30 seconds so you have no benefit from activating it more times
errant monolith
effect for S1 or S2
It's to force you to invest in diff skills
summer onyx
its not pointless
grand whale
+20 from Trina means she spends 12 or 13 seconds to unload 29 ammo? 
lunar mauve
Draining your books is the point 
naive valve
and ignore s1
Pointless design
nimble vigil
Ok Trina isnt bad
summer onyx
now they split the ability into different shit so u have to spend
cobalt cradle
at least this will be on trina's team with scarlet?
nimble vigil
But the team has to look like this
If u want to cope
Liter Trina Scarlet Jill MastM
cobalt cradle
i do not want to see isabel top 10
naive valve
give it some other buff like
heals for 5% Hp when shooting 10 shots or something
be original
cobalt cradle
pls lol
naive valve
not just split skill effects
warped ridge
naive valve
money making design
Might as well change the condition to " When entering Full Burst "
|| Yes, it's even more retarded, because she only gets True Damage when using her Burst, lel ||
grand whale
Magnum Ammo alone probably makes it a real bad idea to let her have any additional ammo
grand whale
So Jill definitely does not want to be buffed by Trina's ammo gain
Even if you could brute force play it anyway like you could still play SAnis in Tetra Tower despite Noir giving her unwanted ammo recovery
fair gull
trina isn't remotely as bad for jill as ammo is for sanis
you just go from 1.3x multi to like 1.1x multi due to the ammo
lapis gyro
1 unit tho
naive valve
So Jill definitely does not want to be buffed by Trina's ammo gain
Manual play > Reload every 9 shots
nimble vigil
you just go from 1.3x multi to like 1.1x multi due to the ammo
Eh no
naive valve
grand whale
Manual play > Reload every 9 shots
fair gull
instead of 9/9 getting 1.3x multi, you go to 9/29
nimble vigil
Hang on a second
fair gull
or yeah just manual play actually
naive valve
If you Manual reload her like Sanis, and shoot every shot
she'll deal more damage
errant monolith
Why would u manual reload anis
fair gull
nah that's too much reloading, lost dps
fair gull
reload every 9 shots
naive valve
Why would u manual reload anis
Because Jill has 9 ammo, and not 1
nimble vigil
If you Manual reload her like Sanis, and shoot every shot
she'll deal more damag...
Attack damage dilution care
naive valve
... you mean shoot once, reload, once, reload, everytime?
99.96% reload speed, aint so bad for that
fair gull
reload delay gonna cost you gun dmg
nimble vigil
Oh its Multiplier?
naive valve
you applying additional 192% fresh damage each shot
ontop of the DoT
nimble vigil
So 70 → 91
fair gull
yeah
summer onyx
You get the 190% anyways though?
cuz reapplying does a dot right
fair gull
for 9 shots
naive valve
You get the 190% anyways though?
Same as Mihara
nimble vigil
No,
summer onyx
or did they remove that with raven
errant monolith
nimble vigil
Manual reload
naive valve
you apply new DoT damage on the application
fair gull
manual reload with trina, so there's no downside left
quite a bit of atk dmg dilution tho
naive valve
reapplying = new instance, on top of the previously on going 192%
grand whale
So wait... does this ultimately mean halving her ammo is best if you're sick af of the idea of manual reloading every one bullet?
Like the ammo halving effect from... K?
nimble vigil
Trina is bad
naive valve
or did they remove that with raven
I think they improved her and made the DoT stack better / intervals
nimble vigil
LIKE BAD
summer onyx
reapplying = new instance, on top of the previously on going 192%
i think they removed that with raven
real kindle
"upon reloading to max ammunition"
How to manual reloading gonna work
naive valve
i think they removed that with raven
No reapplying?
errant monolith
There is
naive valve
isn't Raven's case
her reapplying restack her dot from 1
summer onyx
nimble vigil
If u can run Liter Trina Jill Arcana Isa
summer onyx
they changed things with raven bug fix
naive valve
For mihara
Yeah, so here
you reapply 192% each time u do again
fair gull
trina buffs her by 54.7% due to dilution
olive creek
Idk about that
trust me
fair gull
who tf got isabel built
nimble vigil
naive valve
they changed things with raven bug fix
what was it like earlier tho
nimble vigil
Snake
naive valve
like applying 1 stacks
olive creek
She said Jill will be 3 times worse than SW
nimble vigil
summer onyx
what was it like earlier tho
it applied 1 stack dmg and delayed ur next tick before the fix
nimble vigil
What can someone who deals 91% * 18-20 per Burst + 1920% do.
nimble vigil
In Iron Raid
Iron weak or Iron
naive valve
No sure if the skills in the vid was 99.96% speed or not
naive valve
What can someone who deals 91% * 18-20 per Burst + 1920% do.
what can someone who deal
fair gull
No sure if the skills in the vid was 99.96% speed or not
no way it is
prob lower lvl skills
nimble vigil
what can someone who deal
What
warped ridge
Hmm... still unsure what would be best for Isabel-cana tho
nimble vigil
What can someone "who deals X" do?
summer onyx
So they nerfed Mihara too?
unsure
naive valve
prob lower lvl skills
same as KR showcase
nimble vigil
Hmm... still unsure what would be best for Isabel-cana tho
Use Crown for T1
fair gull
Hmm... still unsure what would be best for Isabel-cana tho
trina scar duh
grand whale
She said Jill will be 3 times worse than SW
3 times worse? So if SW can do 10b dmg, she'll do 3.33b dmg?
nimble vigil
Use MirandaTr with Ein + Ada
naive valve
it applied 1 stack dmg and delayed ur next tick before the fix
ah yes, the delayed tick was what caused her damage
naive valve
3 times worse? So if SW can do 10b dmg, she'll do 3.33b dmg? <:susge:12719732326...
Issue with this AR
is the lack of Pierce
nimble vigil
Then create a magical 5th team with MastM
naive valve
Got that good Hitrate
but no Pierce
No core bonus
already gg
Dont expect much from a Pistol wielder
errant monolith
she's basically laser in burst
Wdym
fair gull
lapis gyro
it didn't look like that
naive valve
They also already went with the pistols not being the same as the one she's holding in standing position
lapis gyro
in the vid
errant monolith
Bru who cares about the Reload speed
Her attack speed is shite
She ain't doing much with this kit
If her weapon isn't allowing her to do anything
naive valve
it didn't look like that
She did hit all core hits at far range in the vids
dry marlin
I actually thought she was SR because of the attack animation
naive valve
Bru who cares about the Reload speed
Manual 1 shot cares
fleet cedar
Yeah idk about her tbh
errant monolith
Also the pistol sound is so mid bruh
fleet cedar
She's looking like a skip for me
errant monolith
What gun does Jill use
nimble vigil
Hmm... still unsure what would be best for Isabel-cana tho
Siren got yeeted?
errant monolith
They should've given her a deagle
lapis gyro
What gun does Jill use
Pistol
grand whale
Asuka: Deals 18.76% of ATK as damage.
Jill: 71.09% of ATK as damage (92.417% with magnum ammo always up).
Jill has 3.789 times Asuka's base basic attack dmg (4.926 times with magnum ammo always up).
So 1 bullet from Jill is essentially 3.8 bullets from Asuka.
9 Jill bullets * 3.8 = 34.2 Asuka bullets.
9 Jill bullets * 4.926 = 44.3 Asuka bullets.
So Jill is actually doing less base dps than Asuka because Asuka in 4 seconds will have fired 48 bullets. 60 in 5 seconds.
Kit has to save Jill from Asuka supremacy.
Hmm, Jill actually unloads 9 shots in 3 seconds. That's faster than I thought. So she now does more damage than Asuka baseline if no piercing.
errant monolith
Where are the gun nuts
warped ridge
ok that's better, Siren for T2 as they have NO burst gen by themselves
lapis gyro
its a gun that uses magnum ammo
nimble vigil
Liter Trina Scarlet MastM believer where
quiet tartan
9 ammo is obviously that handgun from time crisis
nimble vigil
ok that's better, Siren for T2 as they have NO burst gen by themselves
Siren Bursts gen by mgs
errant monolith
Mid gun
fair gull
custom beretta handgun according to google ai
nimble vigil
ok that's better, Siren for T2 as they have NO burst gen by themselves
Yeet sros
Put grave in
naive valve
Is this how police hold their pistols???
Right arm fully straightened and left elbow 90 degrees bent????
I tried and it hurt the hell out of my right shoulder
warped ridge
Grave will fuck Jill's ammo
fair gull
she has noodle arm disease, it's normal
nimble vigil
You invest in Isa?
nimble vigil
Grave will fuck Jill's ammo
Just manual bro
warped ridge
Yes
summer onyx
Is this how police hold their pistols???
Right arm fully straightened and left ...
could be worse, could be rem arms
naive valve
could be worse, could be rem arms
BIG THUMBS
summer onyx
how many pierces r u hitting
nimble vigil
prob wasuka right?
Idk @night tangle whats ur math say
stable kindle
i would say wasuka if u can manage her ammo
nimble vigil
Time to run Liter Trina Scarlet Wasooka MastM.
Oh wait
Trina needs burst
Gay unit
U know what
Fuck Trina fuck Isa fuck Arcana fuck Scarlet
stable kindle
u fk them and the raid will fk u
summer onyx
i mean 3% will prob just need
stable kindle
not enough 5 teams
grand whale
Asuka: Deals 18.76% of ATK as damage.
Jill: 71.09% of ATK as damage (92.417% wit...
I forgot that Jill gets 30% dmg multiplier and she should always have this if she never gets ammo gains
Does this mean 71.09% of ATK as damage becomes 101.09%?
nimble vigil
Im coping with Tia Naga
summer onyx
its multiplicative
grand whale
its multiplicative
So 92.417 then?
nimble vigil
Guys I have cooked
warped ridge
ein and cindy teams
last 3 raids I have gotten 3% with just 1 team 
summer onyx
last 3 raids I have gotten 3% with just 1 team <:ICANT:980203602243121234>
my point exactly
warped ridge
Yup, you really don't need to invest in them if you not aiming at a top score
lapis gyro
ai slop
nimble vigil
We cooking.
distant path
One thing I like about Jill
grand whale
at 3/s
That means she empties after 3 seconds of shooting? That's faster than I thought
distant path
she seems good without wanting to be with Crown
And the idea of a Magnum being an AR I think is neat
lapis gyro
- Cindy Rouge SAnis Crown XMid
- MirandaTr BAde Ein Ada Whatever
- Liter Grave J...
bade is in 2 different teams?
nimble vigil
bade is in 2 different teams?
Gay.
lapis gyro
nimble vigil
We cooking.
grand whale
Grave is
Max Ammunition Capacity ▲ 3 round(s) for 10 sec.
I guess we can live with that
warped ridge
if you are not using PrivM with Leona might as well not use her. most of her damage comes from her S2. and without Leona that shit will got 1/3rd slower
night tangle
wasuka ~= sbs with no alice ~= mihara >= raven
nimble vigil
Fixed.
summer onyx
isnt asuka ~= sbs?
night tangle
yes
stable kindle
but sbs < mihara
nimble vigil
using Volume Centi ?
Nah, 1v1
summer onyx
does wasuka not scale off buffs?
nimble vigil
summer onyx
she bairly has any buff up
so if wasuka ~= sbs and sbs ~= mihara without buffer and wasuka also does not have many self buffs
then wasuka ~= mihara
with mihara getting more from sros/sus dmg
nimble vigil
Where is the Bmilk
nimble vigil
?
nimble vigil
whats rapi doing with tove
OH SHIT
TOve is B1
Fuck
summer onyx
i think he just wants to pop a circle
naive valve
Isabel not on the list is wild
nimble vigil
Who invests in isabel
fair gull
why even use maids there
summer onyx
hes not a believer
nimble vigil
hes not a believer
No, its just not cost effective
U mf
I dont believe in investing her
I believe in her
warped ridge
Who invests in isabel
people who actually care about electric 
nimble vigil
people who actually care about electric <:PepeLaugh:1410965350639468695>
My acc turned from the best in electric fire into the best in iron
Because people hate iron now
warped ridge
Yup, fuck Iron
nimble vigil
This is very budget.
Invest in 2 units only.
Scarlet was already invested since the golden days of Facebook.
Isabel, this is her first raid.
If she gets used.
Problem is this boss is not SG range.
And it probably has tiny circles.
Why dont u guys just
ToveTr Arcana Doropity Isabel CDR
Lol
nimble vigil
bro i said that
Only you
summer onyx
nimble vigil
ok that's better, Siren for T2 as they have NO burst gen by themselves
Look at this
Done. You happy
summer onyx
also for arcana isabel i think u just
nimble vigil
summer onyx
give ur books to arcana
and ur ol to isabel
pretend its 1 nikke
444 OL isabel + 101010 no OL arcana = 101010 1 b3 dps with ol right 
nimble vigil
Is Asooka or Raven better
Hmm maybe we can ditch Mihara again?
Maybe this is better?
summer onyx
Does ein drone crit warrent enough for miranda
nimble vigil
Does ein drone crit warrent enough for miranda
Hmm.
Dunno.
I don't math.
How much is it again
36 times?
summer onyx
No I'm in bed
nimble vigil
Does ein drone crit warrent enough for miranda
I mean if not MirandaTr who else
U wanna do Siren Crown Ein Ada MastM?
nimble vigil
I like that team personally
Over using Crown in Cindy?
summer onyx
I'm pretty sure both white dragon and behemoth was crown ein?
Cindy doesn't gain a huge amount from the reload where as ein does
nimble vigil
Cindy doesn't gain a huge amount from the reload where as ein does
But SAnis and XMaiden...
ELE buff
Compounding effect
summer onyx
Compounding with what
nimble vigil
Actually this is a fun topic
nimble vigil
Cindy Rouge SAnis BAde XMid
Siren Crown Ein Ada MastM
Seem to be the other split
summer onyx
I think that split makes sense to eyeballing
nimble vigil
Cindy Rouge SAnis BAde XMid
Siren Crown Ein Ada MastM
Liter X Jill Raven HelmTr
Tove Arcana Isabel Doropity Dolla
Some magic with Scarlet
How do you make that magic though
Cant think of anything else than
fair gull
mpriv sg, isabel + scar
nimble vigil
Liter Trina Scarlet Mihara something idk
opal meteor
wont jill/ada work on midsolute ?
fair gull
yeah they will
nimble vigil
mpriv sg, isabel + scar
Cindy Rouge SAnis BAde XMid
Siren Crown Ein Ada MastM
Liter Grave Jill Raven HelmTr
Tove Leona Doro PrivM BSoda
Rapipi Arcana Isabel Trina Scarlet
Good split, but I don't think it's the best split.
fair gull
who's got every elec built anyway 
nimble vigil
Cindy Rouge SAnis BAde XMid
Siren Crown Ein Ada MastM
Liter Grave Jill Raven HelmTr
Tove Leona Doro PrivM BSoda
Rapipi Arcana Isabel Trina Scarlet
Cindy Rouge SAnis Crown XMid
MirandaTr Grave Ein Ada Siren/Whatever
Liter BAde Jill Raven HelmTr
Tove Arcana Doropity Isabel Dolla
stable kindle
who's got every elec built anyway <:3HC_shrug:747362352101326899>
Define built
fair gull
enough to be used over pilgrim tier neutral
stable kindle
It is possible if you skip pvp and only aim for 4 ele with like 10/12 lines total
fair gull
there's also exia you can use
stable kindle
That is easy
nimble vigil
Exia is dead.
summer onyx
I'm pretty sure my scar has like 30 ele
And my Isabel isn't even ol yet
I'll decide if I want to by sr
I need to make sure I have rocks for ani
That is a major concern
fair gull
I'm not building isabel 
stable kindle
7 rocks rn but Im done with pvp atm
fair gull
for your cook duh
summer onyx
Cuz I can decide to overload when I want to
fair gull
I'll be using absolute 100%
summer onyx
I'm not pumping rocks into something I'm not actively using
fair gull
my trina scar isn't pve viable anyway
summer onyx
I'm at like 47 rocks
nimble vigil
Cindy Rouge SAnis Crown XMid
MirandaTr Grave Ein Ada Siren/Whatever
Liter BAde Jill Raven HelmTr
Tove Arcana Doropity Isabel Dolla
Do you think low invest Isabel will beat PrivM?
grand whale
I left the thread awhile back as the kitchen was smoking.
I now return and the kitchen is on fire.
nimble vigil
I mean Isabel also buffs Doro.
I think Isabel wins.
Maybe just use Isabel, reset on November?
summer onyx
Isabel doro is like perma Doro burst right?
fair gull
I ain't relying on reset
summer onyx
U have like 3s out of burst ur using for reload?
nimble vigil
building units with expectation we never see them again
Thats what I did.
Abused skill reset.
open saffron
Just don't invest in every element, it's not possible to do for f2p and low spender 
fair gull
Cindy Rouge SAnis Crown XMid
MirandaTr Grave Ein Ada Siren/Whatever
Liter BAde J...
why not srosa with jill raven, bade with doro
nimble vigil
why not srosa with jill raven, bade with doro
Not sure which one is better tbf.
fair gull
jill without ada or trina isn't very good anyway
grand whale
Just don't invest in every element, it's not possible to do for f2p and low spen...
3 teams for each element is more doable
nimble vigil
jill without ada or trina isn't very good anyway
She is fine.
grand whale
Since B1 and B2 are reused easier
open saffron
3 teams for each element is more doable
Just use old unit i guess. I don't even think about build ada and Jill
nimble vigil
imma be using rapi as b3 most likely <:Doro:1140803275168428183>
I think high rank low bar is Isabel
Built or not
She will definitely go with Kos's team
ToveTr Arcana Isa Doro Dolla
High chance
Otherwise ud have to cope with Miranda
stable kindle
Going to Jill thread just to think about using old units. He is just like me frfr
open saffron
Kos what again?
nimble vigil
I cooked.
Cindy Rouge SAnis BAde XMid
Rapipi Crown Ein Ada MastM
Liter Grave Jill Raven Mihara
Tove Arcana Doropity Isabel Dolla
Siren Trina Scarlet HelmTr ExiaTr
@summer onyx You happy now.
kind gorge
Finally
An excuse to give up on electro forever
2(two) mandatory mlb and it's shitty collabs
fair gull
I give up on every element kek
if I make top 200 on this one that's just sheer luck and rapi carry
kind gorge
Jill is also another last shot unit
Well kind of
She just hates ammo
Hell yeah I love brick lines
Electro weak bosses usually have cringe mechanics too
Inb4 she has shotgun attack speed
errant monolith
Iirc you have to play liter with Arcana or you're trolling
You can't play perfect without liter in arcana
young shoal
So, skip or pull?
limber hawk
She isn't that great
what if we get atk speed buffer in future?
prime junco
they can't just make HG weapon type, so just make AR act like HG
prime junco
yeah, that too
loud yoke
As well as HG buffs and modules in Sim Room
solid hull
loud yoke
And now we have another B3 that could use Trina theoretically
loud yoke
Put Jill with K for more first bullets?
nimble vigil
<a:RoverYes:1257662133320286280>
bro u quit already
Tf u mean skipping
ure skipping everyone
someone pting you?
red radish
they can't just make HG weapon type, so just make AR act like HG <:KEKL:1008348...
Closest is SMG, for some reason SU thought AR is a better fit lol
supple pike
Come to think of it
Crown/S. Anis should like
make her instantly reload right?
Privaty too
lusty goblet
That means she empties after 3 seconds of shooting? That's faster than I thought
She's just like me frfr
peak silo
They tried to cook but forgot to bump up the values
looks like a skip but i know you guys will find a way to make her meta next SR and UR 
naive valve
Closest is SMG, for some reason SU thought AR is a better fit lol
because
1 Pistal = AR
2 Pistols = SMG
hallow shore
They tried to cook but forgot to bump up the values
looks like a skip but i kno...
they did though? her shots do more than 3x scarlet's, and scarlet's shots already do twice the typical AR
for reference scarlet's is 27.09% per shot, eve is 13.65%
naive valve
they did though? her shots do more than 3x scarlet's, and scarlet's shots alread...
Consider that Jill's attack speed is 1/4 times of Scarlet
real fossil
I am dumb. What’s her use case? What is this fuckery with slow shots and bad ammo cap
true damage cope?
red radish
for reference scarlet's is 27.09% per shot, eve is 13.65%
her basic att% is similar to asuka since she hits around 3shits/s, slightly lower than her but much higher than standard AR
gleaming zenith
Finally time for flora and clay
night tangle
they did though? her shots do more than 3x scarlet's, and scarlet's shots alread...
andddd she shoots 4x slower than Scarlet, probably
loud yoke
I am dumb. What’s her use case? What is this fuckery with slow shots and bad amm...
It's a pistol 
loud yoke
Watch this Gluttony not have the circle to deal real damage
True damage or bust
Also, her S1 should basically always be active unless you have max ammo rolls or bastion/wingman
So it's actually 101.09% ATK
night tangle
she's an AR that shoots like SG on Tove + Doro buff
basically SG but built in 70% hit rate
loud yoke
No spread to dilute damage, but like 40% ATK scaling since SG are normally like 250%
Although I guess with that built-in RoF, she can benefit from buffers that SG units can't use
snow blade
A pistol cosplaying as AR
I mean, it's kind of neat that they're testing out pistol weapons without making a new weapon type.
Just an AR with slow shots and bigger multipliers.
Better than SMGs with terrible range and accuracy.
upbeat lance
If it stacked wouldn't we have to manual 1 shot reload?
loud yoke
Usually it says tick rate, right? Or am I crazy?
Yeah, like S Sakura says 1 sec ticks
If it's 1s, then that's 5760% ATK dealt every 30s, so 34560% ATK over the course of the fight
night tangle
all the shot reapply DoT
so, if you shoot
reload with 100% speed
shoot
you can trigger DoT sooner than expected
probably around 0.3s
aka 3 DoT per sec
192 => 576% per sec
sound like a good gameplay
loud yoke
Assuming it's not an applied debuff that just refreshes 
If you can stack DoTs, she'll require Privaty or K , I guess
night tangle
actually decent on her non burst version
no need, just high reload speed
you can manually reload
so
tap
delay 0.3s
tap
loud yoke
Oh right
night tangle
set a chair for it
loud yoke
I feel like it'll end up a debuff tho 
night tangle
enjoy the weirdest gameplay ever
loud yoke
They got lazy on wording even in KR/JP
Off-burst for S2 with S Anis and K could be funny to try
Oh no, finally running low
nocturne current
I think ada is looking pretty amazing for SR by helping with miranda issues (unless i misunderstood her skills).. so she could see use outside of just electric raid.. she's also probably viable with vesti for higher deficit campaign.
Jill looks like just an electric sr unit
loud yoke
Ada is Attacker with support capabilities, so she'll likely have higher relevance than Jill outside of electric
Namely, she could be used off-burst in Miranda Mihara comp for people whose Helm would otherwise steal Miranda buff
nimble vigil
enjoy the weirdest gameplay ever
They will make her like Raven
summer onyx
192 => 576% per sec
This isn't correct anymore as per raven video above
loud yoke
We have no evidence that she'll perform the same way as Raven tho
summer onyx
Can you test them and find one that applies on application post raven bug fix
Cuz until I see one currently doing it evidence is showing otherwise
loud yoke
S Sakura 
summer onyx
summer onyx
S Sakura <:Xeniathink:641814238310039552>
Did you look post raven dot change tho
loud yoke
X Guillo
summer onyx
Cuz it changed everything iirc?
summer onyx
I'ma get out of bed and if it doesn't work I'm 
u
loud yoke
Jokes aside, we don't know if Jill's even stacks
summer onyx
It doesn't stack if it did it would say max stacks
loud yoke
Heck, based on wording, it actually says 192% ATK in DoT over 30s
Because it should also say "every 1s"
6.4% ATK per second
Unit bricked
ez skip
summer onyx
Because it should also say "every 1s"
wats it say in jp?
loud yoke
Same lazy wording
196% final ATK in DoT damage lasting 30s
No stacks or tick intervals mentioned
I'm assuming its 196% per second for 5760%
Sounds about right if comparing with Siren DoT potency 
Well, hers technically isn't DoT, but similar effect
grand whale
There's no reason to suddenly believe that for once ShiftUp worded total damage dealt over period of time via sustained damage DoT
It's per tick, and a tick is 1s. Maybe not perfectly 1s because it's by frames, I suppose, but this should be the general idea
loud yoke
Shift Up doesn't have a reputation for consistency
See sustained damage vs continuous damage
But yeah, they probably assumed we understood how it works by now
Cuz why remember that new players exist?
real fossil
Cuz why remember that new players exist? <:delugiggle:784954888273920020>
Don’t worry with all these reruns and low income + cp gapping story there won’t be new players
real fossil
y do they keep making exceptions to the rule like raven
Raven is too hot to handle
loud yoke
Don’t worry with all these reruns and low income + cp gapping story there won’t ...
Story Mode in Campaign is on the way
real fossil
ah right
summer onyx
See sustained damage vs continuous damage <:heh:1008474357519097946>
and then they tell u to screw urself when the words are weird like restore vs replenish
as if they were consistent to begin with
real fossil
See sustained damage vs continuous damage <:heh:1008474357519097946>
What do they mean tbh
I don’t know what sustain and continuous mean in nikke
They sound the same so they’re the same?
umbral pawn
DoT scale well with atk
i only know that much
can't even distinguish between the two
loud yoke
Yeah, X Guillo deals sustainted damage, but for some reason they renamed it
That's why Bready/X Guillo went in S Rosanna/Mihara comp in water-weak raids
Thank EN team, cuz in JP, it's the same term
real fossil
Localization too hard
night tangle
Can you test them and find one that applies on application post raven bug fix
Mihara
naive valve
y do they keep making exceptions to the rule like raven
Because Raven caused the SR to be delayed and ppl complained loudly
thus
peak silo
they did though? her shots do more than 3x scarlet's, and scarlet's shots alread...
Right but she doesn’t shoot as fast as scarlet
Idk why they tried to cook with this pistol
It just sounds and looks like dogshit
gleaming zenith
Trina and jill
kind gorge
30 ammo
summer onyx
@loud yokewho had a reload from empty effect?
do we have a unit thats "do x only if you reload from 0"
brave agate
I dont think I heard of that specific wording, but that sounds like last bullet effects
lime hound
bruh
violet jetty
all this fuckin time
