[Ada Wong] New Unit Megathread

[kindred path]

thanks boys

[old island]

but why

what does one dupe even do for you

it's worse than no dupe because now you have 1 star and 2 empty stars

[coarse breach]

Because theres already some other word like activate at full burst
Theres another one that said activate at the end of full burst buff too if you mean activate when burst end

[stark sandal]

Usually we don't call first copy as a dupe. If you meant getting ada, then yea get her. If you mean going lb1, you don't gain much. Lb0 and done unless you want her lobby screen

[kindred path]

yeah thats what i meant, LB1

i wonder if Jill is any different

-# time to hop in the Jill megathread

[old island]

madman

WHO DOES THAT

[kindred path]

[old island]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[spice sail]

what are the review? better buffer than S ANIS?

actual dead game even reviewers not doing it anymore 😂

[young quarry]

For cindy? slightly worse then the usual elec b3 trio.. in general? she's good fire/iron raids for people like me who have a busted helm.. who has way more attack then snow white/mihara (so steals miranda buff).. I think she's worth a copy.. but 2 broken units are coming in a few weeks (maybe a 3rd?) so it depends on your resources.. taking to lb1 is crazy talk tho.. just stick 1 copy or mlb

[old island]

the b1 rapi cheese is probably going to be relevant at some point

but like

why wouldn't you just use the best b3 in the game as a b3

maybe after 3rd anni powercreeps rapi 3 times in one patch

[kind girder]

Because Ele advantage is 90% of the time better

Only in some specific cases where you can abuse part damage using RRH as a B3 would be ideal

Or if you really don't have any other decent DPS to use

[proper tree]

It’s probably not that meaningful unless it’s a high deficit fight with RRH as B1

RRH, TUVesti, Ada Wong team with I suppose Crown and HelmT?

If HelmT bursts, Ada Wong still buffs her and RRH.

Otherwise, true damage wallops the enemies.

But that’s campaign…

And for maximum ATK uppage, MMast instead of HelmT

[kind girder]

I feel like we already have a set team for campaign until they release a 100% true damage unit

Cuz most of the time, the most annoying enemies on campaign are not the ones that have infinite Defense, but the shielding bullshit

I am stuck at 39-8 until I get to 541

[proper tree]

Yeah I currently just have Crown, RRH, Siren, ___, HelmT. I rotate the ___ with whatever element the fight needs if it’s that hard or has dumb elemental barriers

[kind girder]

I use RH as B1 instead of HelmT most of the time, did pretty good until that stage I mentioned

[balmy pagoda]

pull verdict for her?

[paper veldt]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U6mvi-am4boglzC6Ppji6KBNwtJCYrsRLwN0udbhn1E/%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fvideo.twimg.com%252Famplify_video%252F1970674264354525184%252Fvid%252Favc1%252F1280x720%252FMx0QeBDl_C2UxyoJ.mp4%253Ftag%253D14/https/api.fxtwitter.com/2/go

Pvp god ?

[grave charm]

Lul what

[placid phoenix]

she's just xmaiden but a bit diff

does do better vs noah biscuit due to the delayed snipe, but that's like it

[viral radish]

Wow no pull verdict pinned

[timid cobalt]

she works really well vs anything I put her agaisnt. even won vs 21 cs vesti+rosa
blanc ada centi lapT rumani
will work around her some more. Think that team you recorded is pretty good too, will have to work around vigor cube...

[old island]

snake paywalled pull verdict

[ruby raft]

When RE's player use speed run

[compact vapor]

I'm busy man

Weekend pls

Why is there a unit out on Wednesday like what the hell

[compact vapor]

She can Juan tap everyone

Biscuit don't even know what's going on till it happens

What, diff use case

Basically since she will one tap, biscuit S2 will not proc

Hence all 5 units die on 5 shots

Sky has review out I think?

He does pve only reviews

We're still testing

What

Emilia was good

Mlb Vs lb0 doesn't matter a lot if you build her

[grave charm]

Don’t think she’s emilia tier for PvP

Plus we just got vesgod

[austere garden]

"we" 🫵 🤣

core benefits more than limited break at very high sync level so...

[hollow idol]

Wym we didn't realize she was pvp goat I said she was emigod pvp before she even released when we saw the kit+ explosion range

"bypass Noah nuke 5 splash with psudo clip rl gen"

[austere garden]

now tell me how good Ada is before too late

[hollow idol]

She beats sanis in behe and cc right?

And prob gives ein a run for her money on mc

[austere garden]

those are kinda irrelevant tbh
basically she has usage for electric raid

[hollow idol]

Pvp wise one of our only offburst buffers that is good (crown being like one of the only other iirc, xmaiden and sanis too I guess but only elec)

And provides leech for the bursting dps (can be relevant in Noah teams)

And holds a rl instead of a mg

[austere garden]

[hollow idol]

I'm not prydwen/nikkegg

[austere garden]

@hollow idol ada is normal RL's burst gen?

[hollow idol]

Yes

[austere garden]

last slot is ada replacement

hold on. ada buffs when full burst

it means aiming for killing before burst is pointless

[hollow idol]

Tbh at the point of Emilia release iirc we had like

Jackal centi anis as clip rl gen

?

Not even Noah was dual rl yet

That's already recipe for pvp god considering anis was used

[proper tree]

Emilia was released before being Nikke pvp pros was mainstream

[gilded path]

I think we rated her SS on release

[finite steeple]

Can someone confirm if Ada's S1 always triggers before other skills, or ordering her to the left of MirandaTr is needed.

There is also a theory that S1 triggers first, then S2, and so on, but this would be false with Privaty/Noir test.

[gilded path]

huh

Priv Noir has something on S2?

[finite steeple]

Noir S2 recharges.

Privaty S1 reduces ammo.

Their order matters.

[gilded path]

ah

well then we can't find the rule yet

but confirm that Miranda order doesn't matter here

Ada left, Ada right

Nada

[finite steeple]

We know that Crown doesn't care about order, but we don't know if it's because she has a different wording or skills of that type always trigger earlier.

[finite steeple]

So, the best hypothesis is that Crown's S1 and Ada's S1 are always prioritized.

In that case,

[gilded path]

S2 is AoE

not enough to hit 2 PVP

[grave charm]

You gonna use Ada as burst in PvP?

[gilded path]

can

she herself require Biscuit + Noise/Moran + Defender (if not Moran) to answer

[warm wyvern]

Ada in pvp against noah and biscuit is satisfying

[solemn pond]

instakill nikke one by one

[haughty cradle]

Can I conclude that she is a pass if you are not bothered by the limited factor ?
All I can read is people trying really hard to justify putting her somewhere

[solemn pond]

electric is really packed now

[old island]

she's gonna be good after anni

[wind lantern]

she'll be used in electric weak SR and pvp so yeah if you don't care

skip

only people that will see her in UR will be the whales slapping the level 4 hard boss (infinite hp)

or if they lack cindy/sanis/xmaiden

[solemn pond]

probably this is like bmilk situation? she's strong yes but if 3% is your aim, you probably fine without her

[kind girder]

We will all eventually get there

[solemn pond]

or if you missed previous electric limiteds

[kind girder]

Everyone using 2-3 attacks on a electric weak boss

[wind lantern]

EOS before then

[haughty cradle]

I have all the electric units. I don't see how she fits really. Imma skip her, thanks.

[kind girder]

This sounds so wrong , cuz I also specialize in electric units and I do see a space for them for electric SR

[solemn pond]

needs to remind some of you that we facing back to back double banner...all the way to new year which is pretty much either pilgrim/overspec

[kind girder]

Better to use pulls here and save mileage for anni

Win win

[solemn pond]

after anni is xmas right away

then new year

[kind girder]

Then you save all pulls from anni and use them there

[solemn pond]

needs to think after that as well, cuz i'm usually drained on xmas

[haughty cradle]

let me add to it. I have all the electic units, anniversary is around the corner. I could use her but really it is not needed and watch them make 3 elec for anniversary. I need my pulls

[kind girder]

Then better say I dont need her cuz I don't care about Electric SRs

[pale shell]

[haughty cradle]

I care for my 3% lol

but she aint make or break for that

[kind girder]

3% can be achieved with 1-2 teams nowadays

As long as you take good care of your units

Don't even need to whale

[pale shell]

[solemn pond]

i still pull because of nikkepedia slave

[pale shell]

We all

[paper veldt]

Never seen u in these threads

[pale shell]

Clicked accidentally

[prime jasper]

Has anyone tried Ada for tribe tower 1130?

[sly scroll]

Where the pinned tldr at

[austere garden]

Tbh u can skip 90% banners as long as u own 90% units

Only Rapi and Crown must have units to me

[gilded path]

should wait for Jill too

to ignore the mech

or may be you can run Laplace here but dmg won't be that impressive sadly

[austere garden]

But why

SEXunhwa exists

[young quarry]

Shes a good buffer/electric sr unit that will also have use in fire/iron raid with miranda.. if your like me and have issues giving the buff to the correct unit.. idk ppl are acting like she's terrible.. my helm is core 7 and got good min max OL because she's the 2nd best water dps and one of the most universally used units.. I'm just not gonna reroll her gear to make her worse (less attack)

[old island]

It's a Collab so you'll regret not pulling eventually

Rezero doesn't count

Power creep will make whatever rem does irrelevant before she gets a team that supports her

She's clearly a support for a gimmick that isn't out yet so she's going to end up either like rem or like asuka

Cheeky coin flip

[pale shell]

I believe they will release another meta instead so you will forget about collab units, like CSM already forgotten nikkes

[floral tendon]

csm was shit at the start

[cunning shadow]

Makima is still used in PvP, no?

Or has she finally been phased out?

Power was the only collab SSR unit to be truly worthless

Shame her S1 is just Scarlet at home

[gilded path]

even max stack S1 she deals shit dmg

[cunning shadow]

And keeping stacks is a pain

[austere garden]

Mari is outclassed by Ade in electric team lol

[lapis vault]

is this unit must pull 1 copy?

[austere garden]

Power SSS pvp tier on prydwen. Never forgot

[sweet saffron]

what tier ada is in then? S?

[grave charm]

ss

worse than power

[sweet saffron]

wdym

how is ss bad lmao

[cunning shadow]

Not better than Rapi means bad

[sweet saffron]

lmao

but jokes aside

should i build her

[grave charm]

besides some pvp cope, i haven't seen much

[cunning shadow]

If you use Snow White or Mihara, then you'll want to invest in her at least at that point

If you're talking about this coming raid, wait and look at comps

[grave charm]

yea sr in 2 weeks

[cunning shadow]

Doesn't look like she'll see much campaign use, so, unless she has PvP worth, she'll be a raid-exclusive unit. No point in immediately investign

[lapis vault]

is this unit must pull 1 copy?

[cunning shadow]

If you're a Snow White or Mihara player

She has particularly high synergy with Miranda and can save those comps for people who have issues with highest ATK balance

[lapis vault]

aight thankyou for explanation

[cunning shadow]

For example, I have a C7 Helm and an LB0 Mihara, so, at my natural sync level (for Union Raid), it's actually impossible for me to give Mihara the buff

[sweet saffron]

ohh

[cunning shadow]

Ada changes that

[sweet saffron]

i happen to have mihara

lmO

lmao

and i like using her

specifically on bosses

[cunning shadow]

For Solo Raid, thankfully I can get Mihara to about 140 more ATK than Helm at sync 400

[scarlet basalt]

How is burst gen in that team though if replace Helm/Maxwell

Wont it a bit slower

[cunning shadow]

I don't know how her spam burst gen is

She wouldn't be replacing Helm/Maxwell tho

The point is to make sure that Mihara/SW have higher ATK than Helm/Maxwell

[scarlet basalt]

Hm but Miranda comp only can use 2 b3 lol

[cunning shadow]

Can use 3 if you use S Helm/Dolla

[scarlet basalt]

[cunning shadow]

And if my copium is right, B2 CDR character at anni

[scarlet basalt]

B2 SG CDR that can heal and buff

[compact vapor]

Should you pull? Is she good?

Ada Wong is a good unit, but not for everyone. I recommend pulling one copy if you care about PvP and Bossing (possible use cases in fire, iron and especially electric raids), and skip if you care about campaign only.

While i wouldn't tell anyone to use your mileage on her just 1 month before anniversary, i would recommend competitive players to aim for 2-3 dupes since she provides a huge caster's atk buff.

Must pull for Electric Raids in my opinion. Kinda skippable for PvP but opens up some team options if you build her well.

Why is she good?

Ada is mainly a DPS for electric raids, but her main quality comes from buffing one ally B3, which makes her one of the better options to use, even in off-element bossing situations. Units who buff while dealing good damage are often better than they seem from the stats page (case in point being Eve). She specialises in buffing true damage DPS (e.g. Ein, who she might be paired with from now on in electric raids), but she also provides a big ATK buff to one ally B3 who is able to deal massive damage during their burst.

Off-element, she can be used as a pure off burst or on burst healer+buffer for units in MirandaTr teams like MiharaBC or Snow White who critically lack self ATK buffs, similar to Maxwell. Don't expect a lot of damage though. She can also be used as a main DPS in her own element. Since she can fill multiplle roles, it might just mean that she might be seeing use in electric raids for a long time. Note that she can help SW get Miranda's S2 crit rate buff since she buffs ATK before Miranda searches who to apply her buff to.

You can minmax her damage with MirandaTr by holding her 'extra-charged' shot during her burst until the last second. Other than that, she is strong in PvP since she can bypass the Biscuit wall thanks to her strong S2. Think of her as an SBS who won't get blocked by Biscuit. She has no use in campaign since she does not have strong AoE capabilities.

[placid phoenix]

She kinda needs to be indom with rest of her team dead to reliably bypass biscuit

Otherwise your team may just trigger second invuln anyway, and she turns useless

[compact vapor]

[wind lantern]

so not even mid for pvp then

[compact vapor]

Well she's still good

Some jackal link Ada is nice

[gilded path]

she reminds me of Smolder

1 Q

[timid cobalt]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/1nrcavt/mega_guide_ada_wong_review/

[bright cypress]

She's joining the copium gang
Guys we will get meta once they release op true dmg dps trust
Sure flora, clay, treasure sleepy girl sure and ada joins you

[grave charm]

Wait is she good against hard mirror container?

[sacred hound]

[kind girder]

[waxen kelp]

it's 501 sync

any comp works

[austere garden]

impressive enough

[waxen kelp]

i mean 501 sync can be cleared with sdoro and not breaking slippers

well idk abotu not breaking slippers but that's what someone that cleared it said so like 501 sync u just need a good cindy and slap any other b3s

[finite steeple]

Three guidemakers giving different ratings is wild.

[timid cobalt]

you agree with?

[finite steeple]

My LD rating is too low I think

I agree with Idk

She is not an elemental unit

She is a filler unit

So the usual elemental/non elemental wont work

[timid cobalt]

she is a okayish filler for off burst

but she mostly shine in HD and with ein between the pre MC post MC

[finite steeple]

Filler means she doesnt have guaranteed usage

She fills

Because she fills

[timid cobalt]

yeah, thats why I gave her S+

[finite steeple]

Its regardless of element

[timid cobalt]

yeah no matter ele

[finite steeple]

S+ is too high imo

Shes not that good if not with Ein

[timid cobalt]

vestiTU also tbh even better than ein

[finite steeple]

Vestitu just sucks

Vestitu is worse than ein

[timid cobalt]

in HD/LD?

[finite steeple]

For bossing

[timid cobalt]

what

oh ok

[finite steeple]

I thought she were SR

Thats why I gave her A in Low deficit

Not RL

[timid cobalt]

what are you on

[gilded path]

Vesgod

[old island]

someone is wong

[drifting quiver]

why

she is good with sw or mihara

enough for s+

[cunning shadow]

She's a fixer for those comps. People who don't need to fix those comps wouldn't have a reason to use her

[drifting quiver]

finally i can reset mw

ada without ol btw

[cunning shadow]

Miranda/Grave/SW/MW/S Helm is going to deal way more damage in any fight where SW's actually relevant

[small sonnet]

So basically, if you aren't pushing PvE or PvP rankings, just one copy and move on? Is that accurate?

[cunning shadow]

That's basically how it is for every unit

[waxen kelp]

[alpine vector]

But what about the duo pierce shooting?

[waxen kelp]

something wrong with this pic

[alpine vector]

[cunning shadow]

Nothing wrong with the pic

SW/MW damage isn't properly represented in shooting range

[waxen kelp]

i know

[drifting quiver]

on multi parts bosses sw+ada>sw+mw cuz ada better buffer

the main dmg from sw

[waxen kelp]

really rather not invest into ada but that is true

MW shouldn't get parts damage unless it was like whale last raid

[cunning shadow]

That's entirely dependent on the boss

Whale proving that point

[finite steeple]

Mihara Ada is better than Mihara Helm

SW, not in Iron weak

thats for sure

[waxen kelp]

heavily depends on the boss mw damage is very bad if she isn't getting parts even on iron i can see ada doing more

[cunning shadow]

No healing gg

Also no burst gen

[drifting quiver]

why no healing

ziz

even here ada replaces mw

[cunning shadow]

Ziz barely required healing

[drifting quiver]

anyway helm=mw

not much dif

[finite steeple]

ada heals

[cunning shadow]

One person

[drifting quiver]

Both b3

[cunning shadow]

It only affects one B3 at a time

[drifting quiver]

And rapi

Most times bosses beats highest atk

[hushed quest]

What’s the skill recommendations for Ada?

Prioritize skill 1 mostly?

[finite horizon]

7/7/4 (Starter) -> 10/7/7 (Good enough) -> 10/10/7 (High ele) -> 10/10/10 (Competitive)

[waxen kelp]

https://youtu.be/oTdVT7g03rg?si=2aPi5DJez7XExOG-

Full hp heals from ada for sw

[old island]

It would be strange if she didn't full heal SW in one hit

[waxen kelp]

Ngl i didn’t read how her heals works

[hollow idol]

Ada and Max sorta fighting for the same nieche tbh

Ada friendlier to use, electric competition sucks and copium true DMG pilgrim

Max can have higher dmg eg mw I'm pretty sure max would have won cuz ele, mihara I'm leaning towards ada

Kraken SW ada prob wins

[exotic arch]

ada is worse for mihara cuz she doesn't buff mihara on the other burst and not like mihara does 0 dmg outside of burst like sw

still slightly better than Maxwell helm at max invest but burstgen is ass

esp since you can prep a full charge since you're afking on mihara

[hollow idol]

Helm max has trouble fitting in cdr doesn't it

[exotic arch]

not worth c7 level 10 s1 just to slightly beat out Maxwell and helm if you only care about fire

[hollow idol]

But realistically it's pretty close with qol healing vs higher total dmg

[exotic arch]

runs dkw

Mihara single dot tick
Ada: 128xxxx
Helm: 115xxxx
maxwell: 123xxxx

2 burst damage
Ada 2241xxxx 0:31 fight time
Helm: 2272xxxx 0:28 fight time
Maxwell: 2211xxxx 0:29 fight time

2 burst test with 8/8/8 MLB full ol level 5 head and gloves

dots should be decently bigger at max invest but you also lose a decent bit by not buffing mihara on the burst where she's firing

[finite steeple]

Helms burst doesnt have Mihara critting though

Mihara scales much better on atk

Atk dmg is more diluted

[exotic arch]

diluted this diluted that. Yeah yeah. idk just look at the end number

diluted atk dmg is still better than absolutely nothing during helm/ada burst

[mint laurel]

Is Ada the SW team saver for replacing my 4atk Helm

[alpine vector]

no healing

[mint laurel]

Only healing one b3 per burst

[half plume]

she needs leon

[finite steeple]

Well Ada has more dmg than Helm

And Max

You also open up the use of Siren Crown RRH HelmTr MastM.

Either way, its a W for both teams

And Helm > XLud

[scarlet basalt]

https://youtu.be/oTdVT7g03rg?si=GTcQMNNVM63PrOqA

Ada X Snow

[alpine vector]

Twice

[ebon eagle]

A Solid off burst damage booster for me she is

[deep geyser]

Interesting. Frees helm up for another team

[floral tendon]

ada investment and ol ?

[ebon eagle]

Just 10/7/4, no OL, no doll

[floral tendon]

certainly interesting

[cunning shadow]

No OL/Doll/Dupes definitely shows her potential

[grave charm]

She’s actually not bad? 2ol sr15 lb0 Ada doing almost the same dmg as b1 rapipi halfway thru hard mode behemoth. Don’t ask final dmg cuz I’m dying halfway thru makes sense cuz she’s electric

[floral tendon]

sr15 ?

[grave charm]

Yes I got desperate trying to clear mc hard. Wound up not using her in the end.

[floral tendon]

clear MC hard with rapipi b1

damn bro

[grave charm]

Desperate times call for desperate measures

At least behemoth is not a fucker like mc

I just gotta wait till 521

[hushed quest]

Behemoth is more about timing your bursts correctly. Stagger or burst gen spam as necessary.

[hollow idol]

Never stagger always spam as hard as I can

[gilded path]

there will be a time you eat a rock

eat it

[grave charm]

Rock too yummy for rapi and she die

If I pass the rock phase then there’s the electro rave qte phase that kills everyone anyway

[gilded path]

need helm for that

[grave charm]

Ye tru. Tbh I only passed rock phase with everyone alive like 2 times next time helm fo sho

[hushed quest]

Spamming as hard as you can in phase 3 of behemoth means you die if Helm’s burst starts at the wrong time.

Sometimes you do in fact need to hold your burst.

Behemoth isn’t the only boss like that.

[hollow idol]

I eat the rock that's usually the case

[hollow idol]

when i ran i didnt even run helm

it was full electric

rouge to keep me alive

[floral tendon]

if you can run non helm team, chances are you already too strong

[gilded path]

or you are Yanni

he ran full elec

Rouge can act as a good "fake max hp"

[floral tendon]

even then, can you tank the thunderstorm with only rouge ?

[placid phoenix]

my mmast in my behe run died with like 1 min left

bc I failed both lightning qtes

cindy won the fight while on her last breath

I just ran hyper cindy, still had enough dmg despite 4 man for last min kek

never ran rouge in campaign bc I ain't stacking her cp

hardest thing was getting my sync high enough to be able to eat a rock

ig rouge does help you eat rocks earlier

[hollow idol]

u get alot more damage through having xmaiden burst

[gilded path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYZfkP6-GVQ

[hollow idol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pgkbpNC2DA

i use the same strats as those

iirc once i got high enough to eat a rock it was the road to clear

[floral tendon]

not with my 15/7, 7/7/7 maiden

[placid phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui2595F693M

cindy hyper represent

[hollow idol]

YMMV on your own investments what works for my investment may not work for some1 else

[placid phoenix]

although, I feel like if you run rouge b1 over rapipi, you can get similar cp clears

[hollow idol]

some people might not even have cindy

[placid phoenix]

only issue with hyper is not having the max hp boost to eat rocks

was first time I got past rocks, so played half the fight like a doofus who forgot all the mechanics

faked out by the fake white qtes both times, failed lightning qte both times

[floral tendon]

my 1.21m run is sweaty af cuz only cindy is well invested

[placid phoenix]

once I realized cindy hyper can beat mc, I never even considered stacking rouge, sanis, xmaiden cp for full elec

ain't worth the invest

rather get cp a bit higher and run hyper cindy, and save a ton of resources

I hyper like almost every campaign boss now, except snek ofc

I didn't even do optimal hyper for behe, was just doing ccm whole time

[floral tendon]

better invest more on manchor, a lot better mileage

[placid phoenix]

I invested a bit more into her yeah, but she's still on blue doll

already got past snek, so no reason to go further

[gilded path]

fight Ziz yet?

also

[placid phoenix]

no

[gilded path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzbdEOSakP8

[hollow idol]

i already had it invested from SR

[grave charm]

Damn bro how you eat rocks like that

[placid phoenix]

I just need the hp to live a rock

then I just lifesteal it all back

[deep geyser]

Why has Ada research thread become behemoth clear chat

[gilded path]

it's kinda relevant to be fair

[wild jay]

we can make the thread become "how to get extremely smooth pancakes with no blistering chat"

idk, let’s discuss

[grave charm]

The trick is just the right temperature and timing

[wild jay]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BRy-7ikppKI question answered, we can resume talking about behemoth clear

bro actually made a followup video on that

[grave charm]

[deep geyser]

Ada doing a reasonable job as an off burst buffer

not really replicating the "equal to Helm" though

S1 = 10, SR5

(no OL)

[ebon eagle]

Yes if Helm is with Crown, then Helm is still superior due to Crown S2 100% up time

[deep geyser]

yeah good point

she's pretty solid, useful addition to the roster

[austere garden]

all those 48x behemoth clears remind how skill issued I am

had to reach 501

just to beat the boss on 3rd try

🧱

[grave charm]

Damn share strats pls, am 502 with terminal skill issues

[gilded path]

MC has no strat

hit it

oh 30 fps will allow you to burst one more cindy before phase 2

[austere garden]

then u need strat from people at 48x, not me
this vid looks easy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui2595F693M

[grave charm]

K will mald

[cunning shadow]

Glad I waited and just hit Behemoth with blue CP

[grave charm]

ah fuck no maid mast, back to the dungeons i go

[austere garden]

Use Summer Anis.
Burst with Cindy Anis/Helm (when HP low)

Or Xmas Maiden and burst when her at 12 stacks

[grave charm]

Ok thanks bru

[proper tree]

Some fights target highest ATK. Ultra is one, it shoots highest ATK with its gun.

Some players have their best B3 carry die to attrition like that, Ada Wong's lifeleech on the bursting B3 isn't that bad then.

You can imagine it then, Snow White gets shot up, but then it's her turn to Full Burst and she snaps from 10% hp to 100% hp in one burst shot. Thanks Ada.

[cunning shadow]

Yeah, works on those bosses in particular

Stormbringer lasers and thunderbolts going to wreck your supports

[old island]

next anni support rapi that casts b1 but counts as b3

[hollow idol]

And does Cindy burst as true dmg

[proper tree]

New Pilgrim burst "Uno Reverse"
All non-true damage becomes true damage, by Nikkes or enemies.
All true damage becomes non-true damage, by Nikkes or enemies.
All heals inflict damage, whether on Nikkes or enemies.

[cunning shadow]

All damage inflicts healing, too?

[old island]

you know what would be really overpowered so they could stick it on an anniversary unit

if you made a unit that gives lifesteal to your units

but you didn't have to hit things because it would just do guaranteed healing

[placid phoenix]

If visual design is indicator of kit, anni might be Omni ele or something similar

According to my dreams ofc

[old island]

🥀

omni element unit

but it's a support so it doesn't matter

[placid phoenix]

[old island]

also it gets oneshot by every anomaly boss because it's every element

[placid phoenix]

Just have 1 main element then a skill giving ele for the rest

[floral tendon]

she won't have a main element

that's the neat part

[old island]

crown but you can run it on indiv

[floral tendon]

she just has strong element advantage against every element

[hollow idol]

That's called... Healing

Make it rem leech

But on a rapi and higher

[proper tree]

I considered that but had to bow to reality… this would be too chaotic to include

The point of it was to make bursting with Helm a death sentence, so

And bringing other healers a problematic thing

But also nullifying enemy heals

Like it’d rule out using Ada Wong on this team

[gilded path]

we need Death Heal

the pesky Moran Nero needs some countah

Death Heal: Any heal you receive becomes damage instead

[old island]

Gfl2 has that

But it gets countered by the character that passively one shots the entire enemy team before the battle starts

[hollow idol]

just introduce a clip rl that gives -100% dmg taken down

done

[gilded path]

with that much dmg taken, Vesti can still handle it

problem is Helm heal back

[proper tree]

introduce highly intricate and complex units with excellent team coordination and synergies

• Players excitedly pull them all

introduces one-dimensional character that annihilates above team before combat starts

• Players: ...

[placid phoenix]

a strong noise noah vesti team easily beats any nero moran

don't even need to kill anyone pre-burst

[gilded path]

so stall back?

[placid phoenix]

basically yeah

kill helmt during noah invuln, splash the rest to death before their second burst

at worst maybe your noise will die

like it's not even close

[gilded path]

Helm can die? I never see that team has Helm dead tho

[placid phoenix]

but needs high vesti invest

[gilded path]

tap tap tap she 1 tap and 100% HP

[placid phoenix]

helmt hitting noah shield, already near dead when vesti is bursting

helmt can beat indom vesti

lifesteal + ele adv

but I have never seen one get even close to beating a strong noise noah vesti

[gilded path]

lifesteal still triggers on invulnerable right?

[placid phoenix]

been on both ends

no it doesn't

0 dmg = 0 heals

[gilded path]

oh so they fix

last time it did

along with Biscuit bug

that allowed d dmg slipped through

alright then

[cunning shadow]

If like PvE, "Immune" can't proc lifesteal

[serene sparrow]

worth using?

[waxen kelp]

pull 1 and skip

[serene sparrow]

I got both for collection but uhh

i was doubting whether or not to even build them

the only raids I care about are iron and fire

but... I alr have em is the thing

[wild jay]

with anniv very close

and very possible to powercreep the shit out of something

don't build them

a b1/b2/b3 is about to be retired by the anniv units

[hollow idol]

What if we get retired instead

[wild jay]

i'm looking forward to it

[serene sparrow]

aight, nough' said

not gonna farm any more manu pieces

electric raid is not my forte anyway

[old island]

next anni is going to have 3 banners so they'll kill one of each

[young quarry]

Crown has been on an ntr spree for far too long.. time for her to lose her position as the dominant b2

[old island]

lol

never ever

[wild jay]

ngl, anyone that can make crown retire is gonna be wild

reload speed, lots of attack buff, shield, taunt+invul for hard campaign

[bright cypress]

I think they're going to just make pilgrim maid mast. I mean character that can buff a lot while being off burst. But who knows

Because I don't know how they could just make better crown

But liter was powercrept so everything is possible

[old island]

liter was just a billion attack on a CDR unit and some cover/ammo which is irrelevant most of the time so you can just make someone with a bigger attack buff

i don't think you can really make a better crown since she gives a ton of attack, a shield that's not piss like blanc, enough reload speed for infinite ammo with a second buffer and an invulnerable taunt if you want to manage her a bit

but if they want to make someone who's used more than her it's pretty easy, just make someone with combined attack/reload buffs of crown and mmast so you can replace mmast with a dedicated bottom

[hollow idol]

liter took almost 3 years to get power crept

[old island]

Is liter even powercrept?

Rapi and siren usually give better total damage because of their own damage but they have worse buffs and it only works out because almost every B3 DPS gets huge self attack buffs specifically to cuck liter

Every time they make a unit with big nuke that takes less than 5 seconds to land or doesn't come with their own attack buff like midhara, liter magically shows up

[wild jay]

until we get another 8s cdr like liter, nah

[old island]

Also Grave teams need liter to not get cd cucked

[wild jay]

on top of grave being powercrept

because liter+grave is a thing

[old island]

You could maybe run siren grave with shelm on iron weak

They needed to change the entire design philosophy to make liter not auto include in every team

Also you can't even run rapi b1 on 2/5 bosses

[young quarry]

Maybe they can have a b2 that has good attack buffs.. but also does defence down (blanc/srosa) + can buff all types of niche damage types (sustained/true etc) and loses taunt/invun for it

actually i want a good b2 that reduces cooldown.. dolla treasure or pilgrim

[old island]

What would even a cdr B2 enable

Exia?

Maybe shotgun if it's better than bsoda?

There aren't that many good b1 units without CDR

I guess they could try bringing back the 5s burst builds if they do two 5s units + CDR B2 on anni

That could be a good way to sell 3 units without slamming the power creep button

[hollow idol]

not really shes still decently relevant

but clearly not top 1 by a mile = power crept

[old island]

The only reason she's not top 1 by a mile is that the game is designed to punish her specifically

[hollow idol]

i mean water had liter over siren

it was liter crown helm xlud elegg

cuz they like atk buffs

[old island]

Ye

[hollow idol]

rapi was down to dot team with liter taking over

[old island]

They forgot to give elegg a huge attack buff and helm xlud are ancient so they didn't have the anti liter yet

Collab is often beta test so we're still waiting for the ammo capacity scaling B3 nuke

Liter stocks

[cunning shadow]

"powercrept"

[hollow idol]

tbf team 1 down to team 5 can still be powercrept with 100% useage

but realistically speaking liter siren rapi r all pretty competitive b1s

[cunning shadow]

Team 5 hasn't had a 100% for B1 basically ever

[hollow idol]

thats not the point tho, dropping to lower teams is a powercreep

rh has 100% iron usage since the start right?

is she not powercrept now that shes in team 4

despite having 100% still

[cunning shadow]

Then Miranda powercrept Siren last raid

[hollow idol]

yea miranda was a better b1 than siren

last raid

the point really is liter/siren/rapib1 are all pretty competitive with eachother

vs before it was liter then u fall off a cliff

doro/volume

[cunning shadow]

Yeah, I think they play on equal grounds

The real difference is that Liter is best with Grave and Siren best with Crown

And Grave only competes with Crown in niche situations

B2 diff

In water raids, Liter goes with Crown in T1

Siren mere T3

[hollow idol]

rapi in shambles

[cunning shadow]

Because Helm + Liter is 👌

For raids, at least, I say Liter is just tied for first, not second

For short content, of course, her initial cdr delay is definitely a weakness

[hollow idol]

clearly

liter is powercrept

and needs a treasure

grandma coming back with a vengence

[wild jay]

pepper treasure

[hollow idol]

joystick is that u

[old island]

treasure liter

but it gives her huge tits like D

sorry sis if you want to be viable you need cowtits

tactical booba attachment

they should make treasures give you a modified default skin

[young quarry]

b2 cdr could help doro and isabel.. mostly i want a good b2 for shotgun team that heals/doesn't need duo character.

Mostly it opens up teambuilding for the future if we get some good b3/b2 cdr.. a future b1 unit that doesn't provide cdr wont be an automatic skip etc.. Maybe even fraudsolute could be useful

[heady blaze]

healing cdr?
never in this decade

[ruby raft]

Ada will be used in raid, right?

[waxen kelp]

yes she has use

but most likely won't see every top 50 use her

if ur just a 3% solo raider can easily skip building them

[ruby raft]

this collab really gentle, no one worth MLB

even menu screen not worth it

[gilded path]

yep

[cunning shadow]

I expect probably 87%ish use on Ada

Sub 50% on Jill unless Midsolute secures T5

But I'm honestly half expecting Raven/Mihara DoT comp to outdamage any comp Jill is in

[thorny dew]

ada is my wong

[proper tree]

Ada Wong faces longevity problems

Her personal damage isn't superior which means an exceptional personal damage B3 can replace her outright despite losing the ability to buff other B3s

So as we get more exceptional personal damage B3s, or peer buffing B3s, or other utility, Ada Wong risks fading into obscurity

But who knows.. maybe it's a 2 month wonder like Rem or it's a 2 year span because ShiftUp tiptoes around releasing better units (whether Electric dps or universal buffers)

[solid cloak]

How viable is that usage of Ada one-shotting enemy characters one by one in PvP?

[old island]

Unzips blanc

[proper tree]

Pretty viable, but I don't know pvp cooks and meta that well

She's literally blowing up enemy units one by one until it's over

Dead enemy every second

But you know, TuVesti can kill the whole enemy team... and if Biscuit procs kept two Defenders alive, can those nuclear calamity survivors take down TuVesti's team?

So your mileage and effectiveness will vary, and unlike TuVesti, a pvp team using Ada Wong as the main burster doesn't have the ability to annihilate the enemy team before reaching full burst. Which TuVesti can do

It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive though. TuVesti in one team and Ada in another team, is possible. You'd have to give Blanc to Ada though, probably

[timid cobalt]

Ada really needs total 15%~ cs to really be good. Without 2.5RL it is really hard to make her worth into building teams and also "wasting" blanc into her.

SP -> hard to do, needs overbuff (rhb1/xanne) and might still not one tap depending on sync bracket (excluding deficit) and on deficit (almost impossible)
She falls really hard vs units that have dmg taken reduction too. Nero moran teams can tank her anyday.

CA -> On CA its easier to build around, as you can let her be just a buffer for vestiTU and some off burst dmg.

I dislike giving indom to ada, but it is still viable if you want to use her. VestiTU does the job better.

[solid cloak]

Hm. Damn

[serene sparrow]

is it even worth building ada at all for this SR

like Jill is awful, I don't have absolute... and Ein is barely a true dmg dps

I have nobody she works well with

may as well save myself the resources and just not use her

I have both, for collection

[timid cobalt]

I mean

ada has 3 uses
electric SR
SW cope
pvp

if you dont care about electric SR she is almost a skip
SW cope if your helm steals mirandaT buff
PVP = CA cope

[proper tree]

Ada as a package feels like she ultimately turns out to be Ein-level. This includes her buffing the other B3s to do more damage

The pecularity of her helping SW secure MirandaT’s crit rate buff is good but the “elemental mismatch” negates a lot of it

You bring SW to an Iron-weak fight, Ada’s wrong element.
You bring SW to an Electric-weak fight, SW’s wrong element.

[timid cobalt]

well if you remove her from electric SR she drops maybe 2 tiers

but she is good there anyway, not a must imo

[proper tree]

So at first blush it seems like Ada will be the awesome universal buffer that fits in any team, but in reality a lot conspires to dampen Ada’s impact. So, just a couple specific cases really love Ada’s presence, as opposed to her being definitively meta in SR

[timid cobalt]

fast forward to anniv -> nayuta electric true dmg

[proper tree]

But I think she’ll be a good partner for Ein for a long time

Watch ShiftUp do something to offset or avoid Ada’s assistance to that future new meta Electric carry

It can be as simple as the carry is actually B2 with 20s CD re-enter, totally dodging Ada’s buff

[timid cobalt]

best way is to make nayuta omni burst or some rapirh ele

its a joke RH dont get ada buffs tbh

and rapi even as b1 gets it

amazing code

[serene sparrow]

the only solo raids I can actually perform in are iron and fire... wind, electric, and water are just bare bones

I have 1 good pilgrim dps for each and that's it

that's why I skipped bmilk

I only want 3% in SR

I'm not a sweaty player

I usually only pull a dps if they're like really freakin' good

if they're just okay, and especially if they're not limited, I'll skip

especially if they require a specific team

I use practically the same 5 teams in every raid, and I'm either 3%, or really close to 3%

and I'm satisfied

i got my gemmies for little to no additional investmnet

like how many gems must you spend to get a usable SR unit... only to get not even 1/10th of the gems back in the additional reward you gain

imho, unless you are actively trying to get as high score as possible, it is just not economically viable to invest into average SR-only units that are element-specific, espeically dps

like I see ada here having like several S-ratings... and honestly that's quite misleading

anyway...

I'm excited for the anni pilgrim double banner

I wonder if we're gonna be getting any crown-tier supports or rrh-tier dps

[proper tree]

Ironically, if you measure using money, it’s likely that the $$ value of grabbing Ada, building her up, etc to chase down higher ranks in Electric SR, is actually worse than skipping Ada (which includes getting her as a trophy but not investing into her past whatever satisfies your criteria of a trophy be it 0LB or MLB)… and just buying more gems from the cash shop

And if you don’t measure using money… you’re probably in the camp of carefully managing your limited resources, having to selectively invest for best or good results wherever possible

Or you’re in the camp where you don’t need to measure money, you don’t care how much you spend

But anyways, the greatest uncertainty here is whether ShiftUp will release a future unit that is both powerful and extremely compatible with Ada. Otherwise you’re looking at Ada cross use between PvP and PvE to bolster her worth

[short light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1163005815028990033.webp?size=48&name=fuckingretarded

[serene sparrow]

only reason I got both of ada and jill was for collection

and tbh I got ada really early and while jill took a while, I got a RRH on the way, so it was 100% worth

it hurts with the fact u can't even use ada in tower cause she's collab

such a dumb restriction

[solid cloak]

...what tower would you use abnormals in?

because they can be used in tribe tower

[serene sparrow]

oh I just wished I could use them in any of the manu towers

[timid cobalt]

discord moment

[waxen kelp]

https://youtu.be/SYJyfm_fXKo?si=dxzGaq3gwP_8BBMI

guess ada makes being under 1m cp possible

[pastel pawn]

hi guys

[cunning shadow]

Yup, I tell my union members to pick a primary, secondary, and dump element.

Primary element gets full necessary investment. Goal is specialization for UR and to feel good about having a "peak rank" in SR.
Secondary element is mainly for UR but also works for if primary has low investment cost (Wind basically is just Siren, SBS, and Wasuka, with arguable ReiTN, S Sakura, and Mana) for SR. Gets equal attention for pulls and skills, but much less rock focus.

Dump element is skips UNLESS Pilgrim/Overspec or meta supporter (everyone should have good Siren, for example).

The other two elements should be 7/7/7 and 4x ele at most, and usually only Pilgrim/Overspec/Limited.

Trying to go for all five is crazy for almost everyone, no matter how much you spend

Money can't get you unlimited rocks, after all

[old island]

It literally can

[cunning shadow]

No, it can't

Rock bundles are limited

I'm a whale, so I know

[old island]

Just buy more accounts

And main one element per account

[young quarry]

Makes sense.. I mean do top 200 players even need nikkegg or pydrwen to tell them if a unit is good or not.. would be better if it was more for the top 3% (for bossing)

[cunning shadow]

I don't. I actually disagree with their tier lists most of the time

Top 200 realistically should be able to get a feel for a unit's power based on kit alone

Tho some of the Yugioh card kits do need testing

[hollow idol]

Top200 likely knows what they're doing or has someone they talk to that knows what they're doing tbh

Nikkegg has tsuki but Idk how involved he is atm

Sometimes if lazy maybe reference skill investments quickly(at least that's what I do)

Regarding if they're told, quite a few top players speak here like raon/shinono ect, as you can see snake/kisenix/gatrix r commonly here and ik some of the writers speak to them outside of here so even if not directly there's a feel for it

So they're definitely not clueless

[cunning shadow]

I usually only struggle with gauging power when it's units with weird firing types like SBS or mechanics that interact with the damage formula oddly

Eternal thanks to the people willing to do frame by frame math for SBS

[hollow idol]

That's cuz shift up doesn't give us the numbers and we have to look at their intern's crappy finger skills

[cunning shadow]

Gotta love the anni stream gameplay

Can't even clear QTEs

[hollow idol]

They even made options to hide more info on their HUD/screen cuz we kept looking at anything we could get from preview

[cunning shadow]

Yuup

[kind girder]

I am mostly interested in knowing who's CH42's boss

Or at least the new event boss

Like how we had indivillia for 1.5

Also. On topic

[ruby raft]

SU release bad RE girls so they can release three meta banners in anniversary

[gilded path]

#1389895849911386274 message

the cycle must go on

[proper tree]

I’m not excited by these banners anymore, but if one of the banners “wins” it has to be Ada. Jill is no supercop

[cunning shadow]

Mechanical Soldier > Supercop

[paper veldt]

I'm surprised they'd deliberately make Jill weak as is

and Ada, not even strong

Not having RE-related gacha skin is perhaps a good thing for them

[floral tendon]

Negotiation for RE related gacha skin failed. Crashed out and make the kits as shitty as they can get away with

[proper tree]

All Hail the Umbrella Overlord, Cocoa Over-Spec

[hushed quest]

You shouldn't be if you think about it. CEO's favorite IP to collab with was Evangelion. He got his wish and Asuka (his favorite character from Eva) specifically is busted both times. The usual state is collab units are future mechanics test platforms. Makima tested how broken invulnerability can get. 2B was a test bed for HP-based attack boosts. Emilia examined magazine-based buffs. Rem was for buffers of dissimilar weapon-types. EVE and Raven are tweaks to the sustained/sequential formulas and they overshot with them. Eva 1 units are "shield damage" test beds (shielded bosses being a mechanic we never saw again). Eva 2 units are Self-debuffer DPS and unit-specific debuffer clearer immediately after the self-debuff/cleanser Aegis maid duo.

Seems very likely Jill is the prototype for pistol units to revive ARs.

Ada is another attempt to get True Damage to work.

[proper tree]

I don't know... we can't read their minds, so...

Remember, there were surveys asking if we wanted collabs to be stronger, or weaker, etc

It's unclear if characters turned out as expected, or if things went over or under

They just move on and act as if it was as planned all along

So how do we know unless a disaster transpired?

[hushed quest]

I think EVE went over estimation, because presumably Julia's kit had been worked out by then as well.

Raven they completely miscalculated.

Then the spaghetti code resulted in the Mihara problem.

I assume they're targeting "useful for their specific solo raid to drive existing whale sales" and then replace them with an in-universe unit.

Which is usually the case. This one failed, while the others mostly land around there. It's only the two Asukas that have really broken the trend. Too soon to say on Stellar Blade.

[hollow idol]

i dont see raven dropping any time soon, fire asuka hasnt been super prominent in the past few fire raids

cuz they never give us core anymore

[hushed quest]

On the whole, collabs aren't meant to be for existing players.

[hollow idol]

i think in general their kits are just a little more fun than before recently

even bready/crust ect have some sort of twist to them

bmilk ect

[hushed quest]

Ada's kit is just very bizarre. I feel like I get what they were intending with Jill, it just doesn't land fully.

[hollow idol]

jill's kit feels all over the place

have some not enjoying ammo but fixed reload speed, add a dot to it, pump a bunch of true dmg

how do i make a team/overload her to make her good

[hushed quest]

Ada isn't really for Ein, but then also not really for Guillotine, but who else has true damage but needs heals too...nobody.

Who is Ada's kit really FOR?

[hollow idol]

jill if jill wasnt bad

buffing true dmg on jill's burst only which is when she does true dmg

[proper tree]

I think RE is a step down from Stellar Blade, but is still a step above Nier & Re:Zero.

• Chainsaw Man, I think was plain bad aside from pvp for Makima. She didn't age too well, but still clings to hope here and there.
• Nier, I think was pretty okay at the time. But they didn't age well, though 2B keeps resurging back. A2 faltered more. This collab, specifically, started out relevant for its time and for a few months afterwards.
• Re:Zero, I think was very bad for Rem due to her being swiftly replaced, but pretty good for Emilia in pvp, remaining relevant to now though she's aging. However, before Rem was replaced, she was pretty good for that time.
• Stellar Blade, I think was a successful balancing act for Eve and a pretty good unit for Raven - after all the fixes of course. Eve and Raven look like they will last longer than Nier did (though to be fair, 2B is clinging onto hope still).
• Resident Evil, here we are... Jill for its time is looking okay but quite mid, like "non-controversially mid" unlike Eve where people were arguing over whether she's mid. Ada is looking good for her role.

[hollow idol]

but realistically i dont think ada kit is bad per say, just not top 2 team meta

[hushed quest]

It's not bad, but it doesn't ever feel fully utilized.

[hollow idol]

i feel this way with almost every true damage buffer to date

[proper tree]

Tbh we just worry that Ada will get quickly replaced

[hushed quest]

It would make sense for Drunk Scarlet if she did true damage, which she also does not.

[proper tree]

If not, she'll be around a long time for Ein comps

[hollow idol]

i dont think frima/TU squad/clay were ever fully utilized

for example

[solid cloak]

Ada's great supporting a healerless team where the boss focuses down the highest attacker

[hollow idol]

but i think ada has life outside of truedmg buff

[proper tree]

Frima's abandoned to her dreams

[hushed quest]

It definitely feels like they really want True Damage to work, but can't figure it out but really don't want to overdo it, so they're trying to hard to avoid that and keep missing.

[hollow idol]

in the same way that grave/bade/mari "buffs pierce" but you can also use them outside pierce and still rivaling top performing b2s

theyre just stronger if you get free synergy

[hushed quest]

A2 was definitely playerbase pity for people who couldn't manage to beat train interception after all that time. Mostly for the people who had refused to build Sakura/Ludmilla.

[hollow idol]

A2 was about to be goated then they hit her every step of the way

From after attack delay to her thing not procing per part

[proper tree]

They do that. Whenever they need to showcase a unit and de-emphasize old units, they go out of their way to ensure the old units are crippled, unless there's enough room for everyone

They even intentionally build in stuff into kits to make it possible... like Jill and ammo This part for most casuals ruined her dps output, like pair Jill with Liter oops

[hollow idol]

Also my 2 cents on Sakura lud was it's basically a meme team if you had the damage to finish stage 9 with Sakura lud u could probably have wide screen killed the parts before you died

Before hand

U lose so much DMG dropping b1 cdr and flex

[hushed quest]

It's definitely the easiest coziest team.

[hollow idol]

Easy yes but feels like you needed too much investment for the same result

[hushed quest]

The hard part is getting past the first missile and gun barrage from the back of the train. After that the whole fight is easy.

That's what new players struggle with.

[hollow idol]

Yea but I'm pretty sure u lose enough DMG that if u had liter + flex slot say priv you could probably have dpsed down parts before they shot with the same investment as it took to stage 9 with Sakura lud

[hushed quest]

I like Sakura, but that one boss is really her use. Ludmilla has a few other fringe use cases for pushing massive deficits.

[hollow idol]

Assuming 60 fps and landscape

[hushed quest]

The landscape that worked back then was ultrawide. Not the defaults on PC and not phone landscape. People were exploiting it to make it work.

[hollow idol]

Missing liter and having to use volume maybe sak lud could win

[hushed quest]

Sakura/Lud works on even portrait.

[hollow idol]

If u mean emu, emu wide screen was detriment cuz we were still on mod and they ran at like 23fps

[hushed quest]

You don't lose that much DPS because Sakura makes up for it.

[hollow idol]

There's no way Sakura makes up for liter

[hushed quest]

She does. It's the comp I used weekly until Anomaly came along. Better than Liter teams.

[hushed quest]

Even after. People were tweaking it so they could use Alice/SW to snipe the back end of the train.

[hollow idol]

I mean SW 1shot was a thing for a long time it was portrait possible as well

And very few people went hard on Alice(I'm pretty sure she could probably break parts extremely fast if they did

Which defeats having to tank parts

[hushed quest]

Noise dodging was still the weirdest. People could do it, but no one who did could explain it properly for like 6 months.

Or they were deliberately keeping it a trade secret.

[hollow idol]

alot of people explained it with gifs and images, people just disliked doing it for some reason

[hushed quest]

Mostly the former. They'd show videos but fail utterly to explain how it worked.

[hollow idol]

also people coining it "iframe" threw off the entire community's understanding of it

to this day for newplayers tbh

[hushed quest]

Eh?! People do that?

[hollow idol]

yes people still call dodging iframing

[hushed quest]

i-framing is cover timing, no?

[hollow idol]

thats how noise worked

[hushed quest]

Noise dodging was entirely different.

[hollow idol]

no noise dodging is literally what people call iframing

[hushed quest]

Which definitely contributed to why no one could explain it properly

[hollow idol]

its literally the same mechanic

ur not invincible going into cover ur just moving out of the way

cover = 1step to the left, shooting position = 1 step to the right

projectiles dont change trajectory mid flight

[hushed quest]

Not really? Noise dodging works because of where the green missiles hit. Cover i-framing works like i-framing actually does. The game doesn't register you as being in either spot during the few frames they're shifting.

Noise dodging shouldn't work.

It just happens to.

[hollow idol]

thats not true, cover animation does not have any iframes

[hushed quest]

You can cover i-frame Kraken's Aoe or Indivilia's 2nd stage AoE (barely), but noise dodging doesn't work because it hits all locations.

[hollow idol]

for example if u watch a kamakazi bomber

it just misses u

[hollow idol]

thats because noise cant taunt it since its aoe its the same mechanic for all the nikkes

so you have to full cover

[hushed quest]

But if you full cover Kraken or Indivilia, Crown or Liter still dies. It's only the in-between where she survives.

[hollow idol]

if you have real iframes you would be able to dodge hitscan

[hollow idol]

likely coded as a projectile with a very fast travel time

theres no actual iframes in nikke it just misses u

[hushed quest]

hmm

[hollow idol]

like if u think the train rapid laser

if u had iframes going into cover would stop damage ticks right

because if you kill a turret mid animation it stops dmg

so damage is not pre calculated it has to be actively calculated

so if iframes existed spamming in and out of cover would have stopped double turret

or atleast reduced some of its dmg by removing some ticks

[hushed quest]

This is why I like Nikke. It has actually good systems if you bother to learn them. Many of the mega-whales never do because they just full auto everything with over leveling. And casual players don't bother to learn them and then complain the power ratings can't be overcome.

If you push deficits you learn them all real fast.

Every raid I learn something new.

[hollow idol]

how the mechanics works interests me more than the actual game now

it might be the autism speaking tho

speaking of which i still need to test milk's dist dmg

[hushed quest]

I know I'm still using her wrong!

[hollow idol]

im just testing which target the dist dmg hits

[cunning shadow]

I'd actually make the argument that neither Asuka is actually busted considering basically neither have existed for most of this year in solo raid, at least

Asuka had less than 40% usage in top 50 for the last two fire-weak solo raids, practically unused in neutral, and Wasuka has seen very little use in neutral whatsoever. Her being hard meta in wind-weak is basically just because we don't have meta wind units to begin with

[floral tendon]

og asuka rely on pierce, you remove it and she has little to offer

and just look at the last 3 fire weak boss, it checks out

[cunning shadow]

Which to me says she's not busted

[floral tendon]

also very few can be considered busted

[cunning shadow]

Same argument goes for A2. She's really good if the boss has a bunch of permenant parts

[floral tendon]

Rapi, Cindy, maybe midhara

[cunning shadow]

If a unit is reliant on Shift Up giving us bosses that allow them to deal damage, I'd call that niche

[floral tendon]

the way to sell more unit

[cunning shadow]

Yeah, no collab unit has truly reached Pilgrim/Overspec levels

which is a good thing as far as I'm concerned

I think Jill could've used a bit more oomph, but Ada is in a good place imo

She has a use, but missing her won't be the end of the world

Seasonal units are way more scary to miss than collab units, even though they'll actually come back

No Jill/Ada? No X Maiden/S Anis?

[floral tendon]

jill might be powercreep before the next electric raid tbh

a dps that deal mediocre dmg in her own element is just DOA

[cunning shadow]

Yup

I invested more into K than Jill, and I don't regret that, cuz at least K has functional use with S Anis

[floral tendon]

ein/bmilk are kinda the benchmark for ele specific dps

[cunning shadow]

Isn't Raven stronger than B Milk universally?

since no pierce reliance

[floral tendon]

Raven is not a niche unit

she's usable in neutral

[cunning shadow]

Ahh, that's what you mean

[floral tendon]

BMilk, not so much honestly

[cunning shadow]

Peak of element but not neutral

[floral tendon]

yeah

BMilk is a solid addition to Iron

Jill and Ada though...whatever

Ada at least function as a sub dps/support

so she will have uses

[cunning shadow]

Mhm

Support DPS units are generally always the better catch

X Lud is the eternal evidence of that

[floral tendon]

yep

[hollow idol]

Tbf wind asuka will be in wind raid for a long time

Being comparable to sbs is pretty good

Even when u look at co-op wasuka vs sbs, wasuka is stonks even at 30fps mfra

[cunning shadow]

She's good in wind, yes

That's not "busted" imo tho

[hollow idol]

Having top influence on an element is close to busted

SW is busted for iron because they keep giving us SW bosses

Wasuka's no raven but very very strong unit almost core to a acc imo

If ur going to hit wind

For example xguillo/phantom have a high use rate this year in their element cuz we have like 8 water Sr but lower influence on total score

Could probably get away without hard investing them

Actually I'm pretty sure mooey's phantom and xguillo r kinda doodoo and ranks decently in water cuz the rest r good

Currently sbs team and wasuka teamm will be top influence in wind raid similar to how water has sdoro team and helm xlud selegg team competing closely for top spot

[cunning shadow]

Not when the element has three DPS units

Her only competition is SBS and S Sakura

[floral tendon]

you know the element is fucked when SSakura is your competitor

[wild jay]

ssakura was fine as a 2024 unit. but holy hell, late 2024 until now has been a shitshow in powercreep department

cindy, xmaiden, rapi, wasuka, maids, siren+mihara, sdoro, raven, bade

[hollow idol]

I mean sbs team and wasuka team is pretty comparable in DMG on wind I think

Compared to main team on other elements

[young quarry]

I still have no idea why they made raven so good.. probably a mistake lol. She's a very easy slot in even on neutral if your lacking ele relevant units

[cunning shadow]

Because Wasuka gets Crown We get a DPS stronger than Wasuka, they'd take Crown, and suddenly Wasuka's not comparing to seamaids SBS anymore

[proper tree]

Priorities seem messed up though

What are we supposed to do in Nikke?

Wasn’t it to save the world from Raptures?

[grave charm]

Bang all nikkes ofc

[hollow idol]

even in co-op double asuka vs double sbs vs sbs wasuka is pretty comparable its not like one is miles ahead

its also possible they dont lose crown at all and we get a dot wind or pierce wind

esp with siren now wasuka crown is pretty good support for siren

[cunning shadow]

My point is more that SBS basically loses nothing from getting knocked out of Crown and put with Seamaids, while Wasuka will lose DPS an no longer compare to SBS if outside of Crown comp But fair argument on her supporting Siren, cuz Siren is busted

[cunning shadow]

Also, I'd argue that SBS is no longer able to be considered busted considering how the power scaling has shifted. Wind is just bad rn

[young quarry]

It's what? Rapi>mihara>cindy>doro then sbs no? Even raven isn't far off

[cunning shadow]

Raven > SBS

SBS barely exists in neutral anymore

SBS is reliant on supports to actually get her notable DPS. Raven, while she enjoys getting S Rosanna, can basically be plugged into any team on- or off-burst and still operates well

Oh nice, Enikk is up

Ada doing well Support DPS units are always a nice addition

Meanwhile Jill

[young quarry]

Next electric raid will be close to 0% i have her and she's borderline even now

[cunning shadow]

I expect her to drop over the course of this SR even, honestly

[old island]

I'm gonna have 0% usage on all units

Fuck electro SR

[agile hatch]

When Guullotine does more damage than you on your raid smh

[young quarry]

my jill by some miracle ended up at like 87% ele (from 6 rocks) and she still only does ein damage (who has far worse OL) its honestly pathetic.. hope they never do another collab ever again.. thts the only reason i pulled for her

[wild jay]

where's that meta -> trash cycle meme?

[young quarry]

I swear there are some people on here who just want 99% unit to be skip and prob would be happy if only anni/summer was relevant

[solid cloak]

...so, my Ada got 4x max ammo and nothing else

[young quarry]

Id leave it.. she's a support and barely does relevant damage

[hushed quest]

They only want Pilgrims.

Similar to people who say they never have enough mileage for critical supports because they only mlb Pilgrims.

The cognitive dissonance of some players who were upset about Summer Dorothy being a Pilgrim so they couldn’t skip her and “eating into their anni savings”

[cunning shadow]

I like collab units to be middle line strength to justify pulling them (as my collector OCD would hate to see unowned units forever). Too strong is bad for future players, and too weak makes pulling them feel like a waste

I prefer normal units like Sora be the skips

[hushed quest]

Nikke is extremely f2p friendly if you know how to manage your pulls versus mileage correctly. Very feasible to pull every unit.

I genuinely believe hoarding gems and tickets hurts you in the long run. You don't have mileage when you need it from hoarding. A 1% banner can eat all of the gems and tickets no problem.

[proper tree]

I don’t understand that

If you have the pulls hoarded, but not the gold mileage, and you want the current pickup unit…

Would it not stand to reason that you’d just pull ~200 times until you have 200 gold mileage? If success, you walk away. If fail, you use 200 gold mileage