[Milk: Blooming Bunny] New Unit Megathread

[dusk bay]

[austere raven]

bruh be luckier

[lunar basin]

2% dps btw

[dusk bay]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-stfu-shut-your-mouth-slap-slapping-gif-8050553153066707611

[fringe falcon]

how good is that

like comparing to other bunnies

[lunar basin]

?

[verbal thorn]

Juicy

[tough bough]

Alice requires you to constantly spam but her off burst shots are piss and if you fuck up during her burst you brick your run because it's all her damage, bmilk has actually relevant off burst damage so messing up a burst isn't as bad and she has a lot of downtime with forced full charge where you can reset

Also her shooting effects are less flashy so it's less obvious how bad you are compared to macro

[lunar basin]

rh is only half of rapi in range, milk is 80% of rapi

[noble crown]

reading pins hard

so hard

[lunar basin]

2nd time he's asked

🥀

and idk

what bro wants to find out, comparing her to what other bunnies? bsoda?

[tough bough]

Rouge

Sniper bunny

[lunar basin]

[noble crown]

10000% rouge

[tough bough]

Yeah then why did rouge get the gacha skin?

[unique olive]

BMilk and BSoda both strong and useful

Blanc Noir slightly falling back but still usable if you're not playing for top ranking

BAlice barely used

[strange parcel]

Where is rh half of rapi dmg in range

Equally invested rh and rapi rh should net 65% of rapi in range

You guys put rapi and rh in team with mast and then compare dmg when using mast over naga is unfavourable for rh

[lunar basin]

yeah ik

[unique olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmlJIrwI_mw

[strange parcel]

Actually if we have to really compare rh with rapi you need to do them in two separate teams
Rh with Dkw Maxwell
Rapi with your standard team+ eve

Rh in her ideal environment can go at least 70 to 75% of rapi if not more

But it’s obvious when you pair rh with siren mast she won’t do jack

[fathom oriole]

2x Ammo ≈ ELE > 3rd Ammo > ATK > Crit Damage > Crit Rate

Nor sure where Charge Damage is. Probably between ATK and Crit DMG unless you use MMast which makes Crit DMG better.

[lunar basin]

yeah I should do a fair test between the 2, my rh does have more ele than my rapi tho

[austere raven]

[lunar basin]

ideal environment is ultra and rh will do more than rapi

[austere raven]

standard team is shooting range right?

Siren Crown Rapi Eve Naga

what's idea team for Red?

D Crown Red Maxwell Naga?

[lunar basin]

might as well do Shelm

if giving rapi eve

naga

naga for rh isn't that great

[austere raven]

you can test yours. My Red has very low ATK so it doesn't seem really fair, although with that bloated ATK buff, I don't think ATK from OL matter much

[lunar basin]

[austere raven]

do it

[strange parcel]

In the rh run the boss jumped FOUR times during her burst

[austere raven]

where's Naga in Rapi?

[strange parcel]

You want naga test? Sure

[austere raven]

also, is that mobile testing?

[strange parcel]

Yes

[austere raven]

are you sure your MG can afford 60 fps?

[strange parcel]

Yes I am I have a good phone

[austere raven]

[strange parcel]

Testing naga now

[lunar basin]

well is test is more accurate

10% cs rh

[austere raven]

75% Rapi

Red > Milk

actually kinda same tho

[shut scroll]

So I guess the biggest problem with B. Milk is that you have to basically break your hands to make her work...just like Alice.

[dusk shadow]

Believe in auto milk

With my hands, my auto milk is prob comparable to manual

Auto milk should still be pretty good

Should still be roughly rh tier if same invest (going by sky's test)

[valid ravine]

Auto B Milk loses way less damage than Auto Alice does

[south river]

b milk

breast milk heheh

[bronze bridge]

bussy milk

[ebon depot]

Is her aoe going to be useful for mother whale? I hate that boss and not looking forward ot the next raid.. if she really helps i might pick her up

[devout briar]

Bro's asking real question

[tough bough]

Probably?

It's not a lot but if you can't break core it lets you tap everyone

The passive AOE should be like a passive stronger Bready but it's only active during her burst

The embarrassment explosion won't help you much since it's basically one Bready blast every 2 bursts

[strange parcel]

Mobs don’t have the 1hp crap I think

So distributed damage should be able to clean them

[tough bough]

Bready is more reliable since she has permanent uptime and bmilk damage has better numbers than bready but she doesn't play with distributed damage buffers like bready

If bmilk bursts when the mobs spawn she should be a big help but the off burst explosion won't do much

[cold ivy]

~~While I do understand this and all, why does milk come equal to Raven on most tests

And if she is equal to Raven then isnt she 90 of rapi ~~

I understand on no core milk will fall off but I'm talking about on core

Nvm actually

So yeah ig milk is just Raven but instead of removal of core needed to beat rapi, she needs pierce to beat rapi

[chilly nimbus]

She’s the Raven at home

[tough bough]

Raven but hot

[bronze bridge]

wdym raven but hot

[south river]

the 75% of rapi thing is correct
manual with boomer hands

[maiden plover]

If I get her I'm never manualing

[south river]

better with macro

[maiden plover]

My hands can't anymore

[sullen stirrup]

Stats of milk and rapi?

[south river]

I forgot how to check

milk has 4 ele lines and rapi has 3, that's all I can list out

oh yeah you go to blablalink

milk

slutpi

[south river]

vs full auto (not even manually bursting)

lost a lot of damage

[ebon depot]

her being only auto is similar damage to say eve then?

[south river]

my eve is 10/7/4 so it wouldn't be a fair comparison

my BREAST MILK is 10/10/10

[crisp umbra]

Did u proc her s1

[south river]

her s1 doesn't even proc on auto?

[lunar basin]

Only pierce not embarrassment

[south river]

what kinda bullshit is that? kit not fully functional on auto

in 2025

[lunar basin]

Well no shit

Her kit says to hold for .5s

Auto will full charge shoot right away

Shiftup has no QAs anyways else they wouldn’t of let milk slide

[ebon depot]

Fair enough.. tbh I think my eve does around half my rapi damage.. but obv rapi has slightly better investment.. if the mobs aren't 1hp (annoying fks) then I skip i think

[lunar basin]

min max eve does like 80% of rapi, eve with only ele cdmg is around 60%

[ebon depot]

Iron and fire were already annoying enough with alice and trying to funnel miranda buff too carries (mihara/snow white)

[lunar basin]

[noble crown]

follow pins to understand how to use your breast milk properly

but yes go tell SU to fuck off on their next survey

[chrome coyote]

Can someone do a comparison between full auto and Auto but proccing embarrassment after bursting?

[valid ravine]

I mean, Crust was also 2025

I honestly expect them to start making more auto unfriendly units

Easy way to increase skill gap

[tough bough]

macro meta time

[south river]

crust is set-and-forget iirc

milk needs to be refreshed every 40s, so every other rot

[maiden plover]

Crust is honestly so cute

[devout briar]

Burned crust

[bleak swallow]

more like every 6 seconds to keep pierce going.....well if you spam quick shots between that is

[carmine parcel]

Of the many attempts to get players and even whales to actually engage with the game. Like the Indivilia “stealth” bombers that Auto ignores.

[dusk shadow]

yeah auto milk should be fine

considering it went from 1.9 to 1.4 without even embarrassment

embarrassment manual is simple enough really, should lower the dmg loss by a decent bit

and auto is much cheaper to build, less ammo needed

[valid ravine]

Semi-Auto is the best way to go

Trigger S1 then let the AI do its thing

[dusk shadow]

that's easy enough for me to still consider it auto really

[valid ravine]

I have a unionmate who literally tries to full-auto everything when possible, so I'm used to clarifying

[dusk shadow]

[valid ravine]

Like with AI, I would usually say I FA Harvester to S7, but I'm still technically breaking the head at the beginning manually

It's just after that I let it run itself

So 99% full auto

[tough bough]

automatic chair

[hybrid locust]

Ok so from the text here and from what I've seen, the way to play is to just:

1. full charge --> spam shot ---> full charge again once the buff is about the run out
2. (only after full burst end when you burst with milk) full charge and hold for 0.5 sec then go 1)

is this right?

or are there more?

[tough bough]

get a good chair

[noble crown]

pretty much

[valid ravine]

Both the casual and sweaty processes are pinned

[ebon depot]

wtf the raid ain't even starting today -.- more time to min max milk if i decide to get her i guess

[true shoal]

not auto friendly = skip

[empty stump]

I play on my phone so I’m usually doing full auto🤣 I only manual if I really have to

[summer yoke]

I forgot which cube is more important assuming reload and ammo aren’t concerns

Piercing cube or Destruction cube?

[noble crown]

Destruction

But even then very niche cubes with very limited Nikkes that can make effective use of both

After all Alice and BMilk require ammo

And therefore rely heavily on bastion or resilience to maintain high damage uptime

In a way best users of the cube tend to be iron atm namely SW, Red Hood and Maxwell

[dusk bay]

basically units that don't care too much about ammo because they have their own infinite ammo or gimmick like rh,grave,sw

maxwell sometimes is still used as burst gen unit so ammo is still good

until we have more units like siren/crown who fills burst, solves ammo issues and at the same time, have way more chip income to level 15 the other cubes comfortably, resil+bastion still king for 98% of the roster

[crisp umbra]

dest is generally better unless you're hitting no part boss with a pierce unit

even 1 perma part >= pierce

and thats generally when pierce units are good value

[charred dirge]

Is new milk's b2 bis new ade

[tough bough]

milk's best b2 is probably your other b3's best b2 because she's so bloated

[charred dirge]

Surely you don't mean cr**n

[tough bough]

the only thing milk doesn't do is enemy damage taken debuff so you could run her with blanc or sros but that's 💀

[charred dirge]

Damn midlk

[chilly seal]

So Bastion or Wingman?

[noble crown]

never wingman

if you got 17 ammo bastion works

otherwise resilience always works well

[chilly seal]

I see.

I once wrote C code that calculates whether Bastion or Wingman gives more ammo with a full magazine.

[devout briar]

Soo milk ss or s tier?

[vernal raptor]

Auto Milk is still worth investing? My ass is telling me he is too lazy

[unique olive]

If you guys refer auto gameplay, t200/3% SR then prob don't need to invest on BMilk

[vernal raptor]

I don’t mind simple manualing, but her manualing is just too much

[south river]

it's just alice with a bit of rhythm

[vernal raptor]

I already despise Alice

[fathom oriole]

Actually,

SEA T200 is getting wilder.

I doubt that. If you don't have SW.

If you have SW, it's possible.

Even the 3% is closing in NA right now.

[fathom oriole]

Pierce if no parts.

Destruction if there is a perma part* or a perma part + hitting a non part hitbox

Pierce if there are 1 perma part + hitting two non part hitboxes

Destruction is worth investing in more than Pierce because the low Pierce value sometimes trade blows with Resil/Basti, but Destruction doesn't work if there are no parts, which might make Pierce more valuable.

Except...

When ATK DMG is not diluted

Example is RH & SW

She will always be better with Pierce/Destruction

Mind the cube level

And possible expansion in anni

Oh heres the fun tricky part.

Parts dmg only affects damage to the part so if you hit a part + non part, the non part doesnt get buffed.

Pierce is 14.14%, destruct is 31.9%

Hit non part = 14.14% vs 0%
Hit part + non part = 28.28% vs 31.9%

[valid ravine]

Top 3% in NA is still very easy

[fathom oriole]

Hit 2 parts + non part = 42.42% vs 63.8%

Hit 3 parts + non part = 56.56% vs 95.7%

< Pierce and Destruction >

In terms of comparable value

The only boss I know that can hit 4 parts + non part is Heavy Metal.

Mother whale seems to be 3 + 1

[fathom oriole]

Next calculate uptime based on this

If 1 full burst you hit 0 part and another fb you hit 3 parts, then Pierce wins.

In terms of "Overkill Damage", Destruction will always be better.

This is because their buff is 31.9%, while Pierce is 14.14%.

Therefore:

• Destruction:

  • Good for overkilling parts.
  • Good when there is a perma part, especially if the hitbox doesn't overlap with a non-part.
  • Good when you can hit multiple parts at the same time.
  • But, useless if there is no part.
  • Works for all units.

• Pierce:

  • Universal but does not reach the same ceiling as Destruction.
  • Might trade blows with Resil/Basti on some units because of possible ATK DMG dilution.
  • Has 24/7 uptime, while Destruction depends on the boss. If a Destruction does not assist overkilling + have low uptime, then Pierce wins.
  • Only works for Pierce units.

I forgot one more thing... Whether the non part and part is a core hit is also important.

^ The above math only applies to perma parts.

[valid ravine]

Nihilister with Emilia

Two Vulcans, two legs, body

[fathom oriole]

Weak overkill.

And not perma.

[valid ravine]

Yup

Just mentioning it cuz it's the only other instance I could think of that is still applicable

White Smith as well, but we can't actually fight that anywhere

[fathom oriole]

Not anymore.

Until NieR 2.

Actually...

Museum.

Anyways, I think Pierce is still a better investment for Solo Raid.

Destruction is niche for SW/MW in Solo Raid.

In Union Raid, you do have bosses that highly incentivize Destruction, like Heavy Metal. Blacksmith is not included because 1 part + 1 non part.

[valid ravine]

Also for Grave

[fathom oriole]

Gravedigger?

[valid ravine]

The Nikke

[fathom oriole]

What does Grave do

[valid ravine]

She doesn't benefit from Bastion or Resilience

[fathom oriole]

Oh.

Yeah but Pierce would be better in that case.

Not Destruction.

[valid ravine]

Pierce realistically is the best cube for her, but who has the chips to level both Destruction and Pierce

[fathom oriole]

Destruction is ironically good if you struggle to break parts.

[fathom oriole]

No one

Also elemental matters more at the end

You kid not 7 pierce doesnt win against resil 15 if the element is correct.

On neutral, we can talk

Im starting to think Alice + pierce > resil in maids comp

Wait lmc

Meh possibly but no one knows

[fathom oriole]

Pierce is worth way way way more

But

ShiftUp likes diluting buffs to make a unit less scalable

Lets take BMilk for example

117% pierce. Lest say u use Ade +83%

That makes her 200%. Now do the math if u use Pierce 15: 314.14/300 = 4.7% damage boost.

Now the question, is that worth investing? And are you fully sure the less uptime from losing Resil/Basti is less damaging?

[sullen stirrup]

so what is the tldr?

[fathom oriole]

This begs the question. If Pierce is useless, wont Destruction be the only thing useful here despite being niche

Lmao

[sullen stirrup]

resil 20 > all

[fathom oriole]

The TLDR is above

[fathom oriole]

Generally, Pierce will always be good on some units

Im talking about RH and Grave like Kigitsune said

[lunar basin]

it is

[fathom oriole]

But RH is only used in her element... Which makes you have to Lv 15 Pierce.

And units that have neutral presence like Doropity... Have too much pierce dmg they get diluted anyway.

[sullen stirrup]

so only like 3 units uses those cubes sw, rh and grave

so if u dont like iron then u might as well forget dest and peirce cube

[fathom oriole]

SW uses Destruction if possible.

[fathom oriole]

Exactly

Who knows SU makes true dmg cube though

[sullen stirrup]

next cube is likely atk%? from kr data mine

i also saw they alrdy have the stats for lvl 20 cubes

[fathom oriole]

Heh

[lunar basin]

that was said before we get pierce/des

[fathom oriole]

Give link in dm cus not allowed to be discussed here

[sullen stirrup]

it has a strange name

[fathom oriole]

Is it recent or old

If old no point la

[sullen stirrup]

recent

[fathom oriole]

Then whats this

[lunar basin]

that cube been known for a long time now

unless he means more recent findings

[sullen stirrup]

check dm

Relic Beast Cube

beast should be good right

[tough bough]

I will never use the new cubes

I don't even have level 15 bastion yet

[valid ravine]

That's basically my conclusion

although new cube probably at anniversary

[crisp umbra]

tbh thats not exactly true, people are focusing too much on dmg taken up multiplying but dmg taken up numbers are so much lower then the top pierce buffers eg blanc is 39% and summer ros is 32%

lets say you diluted ur dmg up bracket by 100% consistently

i have 80% pierce on grave/mari(when core)/bade

even if u divide ur dmg up bracket gain by 2 for an effective gain

we're looking at ~40% boost

right?

as some quick napkin math

which is also excluding any atk up given by bade/mari

and her burst diluting both her burst and offburst which you only get 60% during offburst

so having her + piercer in pierce buffer > her in blanc with random or her in dot team

her dist dmg portion isnt affected by pierce so its like a 40-50% dmg up since theres nothing increasing its dmg up bracket which is also higher than 39/32%

[crisp umbra]

is there ever a case where theres a non part hitbox that we can hit twice?

pve campaign wave raptures?

[crisp umbra]

also when alice is played it feels like we're either running maids for SBS dist dmg or mmast gets NTRed by crown rapi

[valid ravine]

Maids are also for infinite ammo for the scrubs like me that still have <12 rounds of ammo on Alice

[crisp umbra]

i mean YMMV but my use case for alice atm is fire weak raid and wind weak sbs buffer right

fire weak raid i suspect mmast rapi wins?

and wind weak im more focused on sbs

[valid ravine]

Would depend on the boss, probably

For Ziz, that was definitely the case cuz Alice had to slap a coreless boss

[crisp umbra]

i mean with core rapi still core hits

[valid ravine]

Yeah, but M Mast for Rapi vs Alice who has to reload 2-3x per burst, pretty sure Alice is leaking more damage

[crisp umbra]

or u go wild

and put alice in rapi team

at best case

for alice

or would asuka go there

[valid ravine]

I just didn't use Alice last time

[strange parcel]

First real test done. Milk mlb 8/10/10 sr15 88 ele 22 atk 40 ammo (yes I know ammo is garbage, working on it)
Red hood c7 104 ele 50 atk sr15

[fathom oriole]

No.

[devout briar]

People really show results like that and call milk mid because Rapi exist

[strange parcel]

I didn’t really call milk mid did I?

I’m just showing some unbiased results with somewhat decent comparison as I’m one of the rare breeds with super build red hood

[devout briar]

I'm sorry I didn't mean you I just meant people overall calling her mid even tho we have results like that

[strange parcel]

Oh I see

[crisp umbra]

https://imgflip.com/i/a5zsb3

[dusk bay]

not really their fault

considering how they made the game so cutthroat

[crisp umbra]

it mostly depends how ur looking at it

neutral viability vs elemental viability

[dusk bay]

more about the 25 slots

in solo raid

and the necessity for 1 20s b1, 1 20s b2 and cdr is needed for most teams

[crisp umbra]

i mean if we look at prov

its easily team 3 material right

how long til team 3 gets bumped

long

[hearty tinsel]

HOLY FUCK. 1 LOCK N REROLL

[safe sail]

How much ammo recommended for this unit to have enough bullets to shoot for 5 seconds

To make playing this as comfortable as possible, such that you just have to 1 full charge -> spam spam spam spam spam -> 1 full charge

15 shots?

[olive rapids]

assuming 3 clicks for second yeah around 15, but you need an extra ammo for the full charge to start

so 16 min id say

[crisp umbra]

Y3

Should be at least 4 for conservative measurement

At 3 ur bairly above just charging ide consider just letting AI play it for less headache

Probably on par cuz extra reload time

[olive rapids]

how is 3 just barely above… ai is like 0.9 shots per second…

[crisp umbra]

Because AI charges to 250%

3 shot is 300%

• extra reload time

[olive rapids]

[crisp umbra]

The shots aren't equal here cuz not 100% cs

[olive rapids]

right

was in alice mindset

[safe sail]

ok i will aim for >16 bullets

I got milk from 10 rainbow ticket, game blessed me with luck on this

Also my chair plays for me

[noble crown]

21-25 ammo ideally

[dusk bay]

me currently sitting at 12

[noble crown]

it's more so you can keep rhythm by just mag dumping after doing 1 full charge at full ammo

that's under the assumption you're capable of doing 4 or close to 4 shots/s

[safe sail]

Yea i don't want to keep track of the 5s timer I just want to be able to spam for 5 seconds then full charge the first shot of next mag, and just play like Exia

If less than that it will be very annoying

I normally can do 3.4/3.5 a sec so 16+bastion enough for me ig

[unique olive]

@austere raven

are you sure crt dmg/crt rate over atk on BMilk?

[austere raven]

who said that

[unique olive]

you?

[lunar basin]

so go for attack

[crisp umbra]

Ele ammo go next

[lunar basin]

fr fr

[dusk bay]

iron lord shinono has to 12/12 her

[fathom oriole]

The ATK buff from embarrassment disappears upon burst skill right?

[summer yoke]

Oh wow, such tiny differences. But that makes rolling BMilk OLs easier than I thought

[tough bough]

Attack bloat

[fathom oriole]

CRT DMG more worth it since MastM gives Crit Rate if that matters.

[fathom oriole]

ATK is still better overall.

[dusk bay]

yes but going from +300% to +350% is a 16% increase while 50% atk OL lines probably cost god knows how many rocks and suffering

technically, 11% increase
400% to 450%

[fathom oriole]

Crit is worse.

Let's take 16.44%.

First multiply that with 15%

2.466%

Now add that to multipliers.

Full Burst minimum is 1.5x

1.50 → 1.52466

1.644% damage boost. This is without core and damage distance.

11.81% ATK on the other hand, assuming 0% from outside, then 331.81/320 = 3.69%.

Oh, yeah, 1.50 is not correct.

That doesn't take account of base crit.

Dunno what math Gatrix uses.

ATK is way, way, way, way better.

Ok, if you use MastM, yeah, I mean crit dmg uhh becomes somewhat tolerable.

4x T11 ATK is still 14.7% since she won't be used with ATK buffers likely.

That's significant.

Well, not as huge as Mihara.

Let's say, Milk hits 3B in SR. 14.7% of that is ~450M.

[devout briar]

So milk is milking

[ivory jungle]

Did i just throw 50 more rocks on bunny milk and still not able to get ele line 1?

I can't with this game

It happens way too much recently

[dusk bay]

[crisp umbra]

the % is increase over base on the right

on the first roll

also excluding external buffers eg if ur crown inflates this any more ur getting even less

[dusk bay]

too much numbers

[crisp umbra]

if u dont want numbers just feely craft and roll whichever

roll ele and ammo

[dusk bay]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bunny-gun-gif-23859392

is 3 ammo lines enough? assuming average one (+4 each)

[ivory jungle]

atk gets so diluted that crit rate is almost equal wow

[dusk bay]

i'm thinking i leave this piece alone

no ammo on this one

can roll ammo 1st line here

[fathom oriole]

Wrong formula

Crit dmg is not 150%

If ure doing crit rate × crit dmg

You might do 20% x 150% = 0.3

Which is wrong

Also crit dmg value is wrong on crit rate OL

Just calc separately

Put 50% so 20% of that is 0.10

[austere raven]

20% crit rate 150% crit dmg will increase your dmg averagely 10%

0.2 x (1.5 - 1)

[devout briar]

Charge dmg?

[empty stump]

So what’s the best way to semi manual milk?🤣 Just full charge hearts after her burst ends?

[noble crown]

pins

[summer yoke]

When I auto Tetra tower while watching, it’s like this..

BMilk’s center already, and I just trigger it then watch the show then do it again everytime after BMilk’s full burst ends later in the fight.

Yawn

[empty stump]

Yeah it looks like you just trigger it after full burst ends so that’s pretty easy tbh.

[safe sail]

Every skill level on this unit is worth a lot damage right given her self buffs are so bloated ? I'm running out of skill books

Not sure i wanna 7/7/7 -> 10/10/10 this

[summer yoke]

I think we have plenty of effective Iron carries. Even though BMilk is strong, she only bumps others aside when it comes to Tetra Tower (only a heavily invested SAnis can keep her away) or Solo Raid

It’s possible ShiftUp makes more raids where Iron with continuous piercing is super effective

But who knows if they will, and often enough

And lastly, Solo Raid is purely optional, your choice on competition…

[valid ravine]

7/7/7 unless you're trying to push your iron-weak raid scores as high as possible

Save gold mats for triple Pilgrims at anni

[summer yoke]

7 is the new normal

[safe sail]

U think so too? I bet shiftup will do it

And also 1% christmas is also on the table now because sdoro happened

[summer yoke]

XMas 1% banner?
Crow: Good Wife

[dusk bay]

Rapunzel: Krampus

[chilly nimbus]

3 1% units in one patch means one of em has to be skipped. Could be even worse than midhara.

[valid ravine]

Nah　, Pilgrim support unit (B2 to powercreep Ade), Pilgrim DPS (because money), and Overspec DPS (cuz Overspec is the new kewl)

The free Pilgrim will be bad

Also, Mihara is basically the Snow White of fire and relevant in iron-weak and water-weak raids cuz of DoT (maybe even windweak if S Sakura doesn't get axed), so not sure how she's mid

[shy heath]

It can be 4 banner as well

[chilly nimbus]

Fuck it

5 banners

[chilly nimbus]

Idk man mine won’t roll attack and I don’t have mats for Miranda treasure so I can’t play with the cool new comp

[somber acorn]

New .5% overspec pilgrim

[chilly nimbus]

You forgot to add limited

[bronze bridge]

overspec collab pilgrim, 0.1% rate

600 mileage for 1 copy

[chilly nimbus]

Need 3 copies to unlock burst skill

[bronze bridge]

lb1 to unlock auto
lb2 to unlock s1
mlb to unlock s2
c1 to unlock burst
c2 to unlock OL gear
c3 to unlock bond stat
c4 to unlock skill upgrade
c5 to unlock OL gear upgrade
c6 to unlock Doll system
c7 to unlock lobby wallpaper

[dusk bay]

freedom of speech was a mistake

[chilly nimbus]

Jp slop eaters creaming just thinking about it

[valid ravine]

If rolls can make a unit mid, Alice is the worst unit in the game

[proper forum]

Might as well go the exodia route of needing 5 pieces to even use it

[valid ravine]

Could also go the route of "When overload buffs exceed +X% ATK, Y effect happens"

[violet tapir]

Forgive my ignorance... What does sbs mean?

[safe sail]

Scarlet black shadow

[violet tapir]

Ahh! Thank you!

[granite mulch]

Dumb question, does she need Bunny Ade? Or like both can work seperately?

[valid ravine]

Doesn't need, but does enjoy

They have no mechanics that require one another

It's just that B Ade's buffs basically all help B Milk

B Ade doesn't need B Milk at all

[lunar basin]

should of paid sky to keep up his testing

😔

uma took sky

https://tenor.com/view/mayano-top-gun-mayano-uma-musume-awful-mood-awful-gif-14217751885667095102

[summer yoke]

Girls with guns vs girls running

I guess the running won

3d models can be nice though. Live2d is going extinct eventually

[fringe falcon]

so nikke is gonna be extinct soon

[summer yoke]

As soon as a hot 3d models jiggles is functioning, yeah. Star Rail, WuWa, and ZZZ didn't go that route fortunately for Nikke

Snowbreak did but they're struggling or were. My impression, at least

Oh right, there was also Girls Frontline 2

We need 3d models plus ShiftUp approach to hot jiggles but with fewer coats

[fathom oriole]

GFL2 was bad since start.

Took it from Gatrix.

Anyways, this is not a healthy start.

Compared to...

If a game's 📈 ends within 3 months,

It's not gonna sustain.

Rmb, fan service game is easier to sustain than a mechanics game.

GFL2 was seen for the gameplay.

[austere raven]

source: SteamDB chart, keyword Umamusume, not GFL2

[fathom oriole]

Bruh.

Ok, honestly, though.

Who tf plays Uma on steam.

Well, that still says it dies after 2 months on Steam.

[austere raven]

Uma has very high playercount on steam

GFL 2 on the otherhand

75k peak vs 2k peak

[fathom oriole]

Same shit.

Going downhill.

If you do uh regression idk.

[austere raven]

for GFL2 we can rely on view on Prydwen, but it's confidential data

[fathom oriole]

No I mean if you just take the moving average.

[austere raven]

it kinda reflects how much attention people give GFL2

ikr

[fathom oriole]

Its not even on google anymore

[austere raven]

also ER is kinda exploding these days

[fathom oriole]

If u search Prydwen tier list

[austere raven]

may be I need to install it for some PVP

[fathom oriole]

Etheria Restart?

Its a game where you need guides

People play that game for the gameplay

Makes sense

Not jiggle jiggle

[austere raven]

idk, haven't touched that one

only hear comment of Keripo

it's a pure PVP gacha game

[fathom oriole]

Yeah mechanics

[austere raven]

everything is designed towards PVP

[fathom oriole]

I watched a few clips of it

Very, very, very, very, very intricate

It's a good game for guides

Compared to lets say

Nikke

I think Honkai Anima might be a good game for guides too (auto chess)

[austere raven]

turn based, of course guide is easier

let's say, I stuck at 1145F

[fathom oriole]

Not easier

The game is very complicated

[austere raven]

how do you guide me through it?

[fathom oriole]

There is a lot of customization for each character

From "pets"

To gear

To team formation, counters, etc

Maybe GFL2 would have survived if they had pushed that agenda further

The concept is good

The execution feels eh

I know games like this have existed before

Its fun if done right

But you need high care like with ER

They should make GFL2 a 3d game instead

Not turn based

Pure FPS gameplay

Have AI control the other units, and you control one unit but you can swap anytime, just like Genshin.

There u have it. A 3D NIKKEk gameplay.

A Nikke like game

[austere raven]

so, name it Snowbroke?

friend of Snowbreak

gacha FPS hero shooter PVE

still

[fathom oriole]

That is not the kind of execution I was picturing

[dusk bay]

nice milk discussion

[fathom oriole]

It doesnt have the 5 units in a stage vibe

We need that

[dusk bay]

[austere raven]

btw I tried Milk last night

[fathom oriole]

So u can control 1 unit

And admire the body of 4 other units

[austere raven]

I fried my god damn brain by tapping her

[fathom oriole]

Thats the point sir

[austere raven]

10/10/10

[fathom oriole]

U miss it

Smh

[austere raven]

when should I tap?

when should I hold?

[dusk bay]

i’m having some milk with oats later yum yum yum

[austere raven]

does she still have pierce?

wtf should I 1.5s charge now?

wtf am I even doing

[fathom oriole]

Snowbreak is more story driven

[austere raven]

higher dmg than Alice for real, but my brain gave up first

[fathom oriole]

A fun version would be tactical 5-unit FPS gameplay

[austere raven]

33 rocks for this

17 rocks to improve that ammo

so total 50 now

[fathom oriole]

Maybe allow chars to wield all kinds of weapons but they have passives, etc

[austere raven]

lost 1 ATK for that ammo

[fathom oriole]

"What is coding"

[dusk bay]

[austere raven]

innitialy they were 4x ele 4x atk after 33 rocks

now 4x ele 3x atk 1x ammo

her gameplay is so complicated I went back to Alice

[fathom oriole]

No

[austere raven]

and still stuck in 830F

[fathom oriole]

It will just be ok

Ok is a high bar though

Ok

Nothing

Honestly

[austere raven]

9% deficit

[fathom oriole]

I havent seen any gacha games being a masterpiece

[austere raven]

Behemoth

lowest was 80 bars left

I'm so tanky failing QTE can't kill me

eating rocks can't too

[fathom oriole]

A good gacha game would be GFL2 exilium + nikke + Snowbreak combined and done right.

[austere raven]

no, Alice in

with 9% Deficit

I mean, sure Milk drops my cp to

11 12% deficit?

so what

Tetrash

no OL

she dies in phase 3

[fathom oriole]

If I make a gacha game, I can have you pull units and weapon gachas but you can use any weapons on anyone.

[austere raven]

as I said, no deficit matters

9 -> 15% is like whatever for me

[fathom oriole]

Gives more tactical depth.

Let's say a sniper rifle can mark targets and make them take increased damage, so you use it on someone with reload spd passive.

Whats destiny

[hybrid rune]

Destiny gacha exists now btw

[fathom oriole]

Is it good

Well that means its good

3000 hours

Then say u hate it

Is just burnout

[hybrid rune]

Need to buy game and buy expansions... ppl not happy with it lately

Destiny 2 right?

[fathom oriole]

Yeah now combine Destiny with Fan Service

Anime

Peak

Why 2d jiggles when u can have 3d jiggles

[austere raven]

make them bloodier

[bronze bridge]

It's normal

[fathom oriole]

Fund my game guys just $100000 per person

[tough bough]

Who tf plays gacha games on steam

I only play games I'm proud of there

Like trap shrine

[austere raven]

75k

this one is tame. Summer one was yike

[fathom oriole]

@zenith talon oh ye

Burst system is also used in Silver & Blood

They use a different naming: Waning Moon, something Moon, something Moon

Which is quite interesting

But I don't like it for a 3D game

Id rather you have 5 active skills that go on cooldown

[austere raven]

how about pause to aim

like my goat, Phantom

[fathom oriole]

If I make a 3D Nikke game, I will make 5 active skills go on cooldown instead of having burst steps. You can have skills like, "Highlight all enemies for 5 seconds. While highlighted, take +20% extra damage." And you can do some stupid combos ofc.

And lets also feature Suicide Bombers so if you play that game recklessly, u die. That will make highlighting skills more useful.

Ok nice offtopic guys lets move to the eden.

All the chats are like that though

Sad

Bye

[worthy dirge]

how to manual Milk?

[lunar basin]

watch shino's vid

its pinned

[worthy dirge]

no thank, i'm good, saving for RE girls

[fathom oriole]

Then why u ask

[lunar basin]

think he saw gameplay

lol

[worthy dirge]

i saw it lol

[strange parcel]

11 ammo milk on mobile

[tough bough]

how

do you just full auto or what

[fringe falcon]

isnt there solution for 3d is stellar blade?

[summer yoke]

3d solutions are everywhere if we're going to do that

[tough bough]

they need to do stellar blade but with hot girls

[summer yoke]

Was meaning gacha game in particular

But as Snake said... nice offtopic, now focus on milking Milk

[verbal thorn]

11 Ammo full manual on mobile

[strange parcel]

I manual. Maybe my manual is good

[tough bough]

doesn't she spend like half the stage reloading with just 11 ammo and crown?

[strange parcel]

Yes kinda. But siren gives some ammo reload and crown + resil makes reloading a bit faster

[random merlin]

[charred dirge]

Distributed damage my beloved

[tough bough]

Not like you're going to have anything to use it on with SR closed

[summer yoke]

Will it be closed, though?

[tough bough]

Sky dropped nikke for Uma so shift up won't see anyone complaining

[ancient lodge]

is it too much if I post my review here?

[noble crown]

you can

[ancient lodge]

Milk: Blooming Bunny Mega Review

1 TIER FOR AUTO - 1 FOR MANUAL PLAY (excluding pvp, she is D tier regardless)

Auto Play Tiers:

S+ Story / SS Tower
S Bossing Neutral
SS Strong element
D PvP

Manual Play Tiers:

S+ Story / SS+ Tower
S+ Bossing Neutral
SS+ Strong element
D pVp

Should I pull? Unless you are absolutely dry in gems, grab 1 copy, skip Bunny Ade if necessary. Resident Evil collab should be next month, so that's that.

MLB? I wouldn't bother unless for waifu reasons, or you are looking for top ranking. If you are a spender then it is very good to MLB her.

On a side note, if the boss has permanent part core and parts that can be pierced, bmilk tiers, across the board, will increase by 1 or 2. Storm Bringer and Material H specifically, bmilk is the best dps on the game for them as they fill both the requirements. Ultra is also a very nice testing ground, but takes time to get timings correctly.

Why is Bunny milk so gimmicky?

Her kit resolves around the "embarrassment" condition in her skill 1, which can be triggered when outside her own burst, by holding a full charged shot for half a second, will force bmilk to become "embarrassed", forcing reload for 3 seconds. After, she will receive a whooping 120%~ atk buff for 40 seconds (until she uses her own burst). Her burst prevents the embarrassment state, and if she is embarrassed, the burst will dispel it.

However! This can only occur on manual play, because you need to hold the full charge on purpose.

The manual/auto middle ground: semi-auto, is to manually full charge every single shot instead of doing quickies after entering embarrassed state.
Manually charging is faster than just letting the AI do it, and also brings your dmg closer to "malding" manual without breaking as much as a sweat. It keeps pierce the whole fight, and for almost all of us, it's better than breaking our fingers and mouse

The "embarrassment" skill should never trigger under normal conditions when going 100% auto, due to the AI shooting immediately after the charge bar is filled up. Bummer
Tiers + Explanation

Auto Play Tiers:

S+ Story SS Tower

For story, on auto, the embarrassment gimmick will quite literally never be triggered (unless the AI does something absolutely stupid.) and bmilk will pierce with full charge the whole fight. Imagine alice, with more dmg, but quite slower.

Tetra tower needed an iron dps, bmilk will fill that vacant spot. She is great on neutral too, as far as it goes, she prob won't leave anytime soon.

S Bossing Neutral

If the boss has a core, she will do good, even better if it also has parts. If the boss has no core and/or no parts you can pierce, she will be a no go choice, expect quite a lot less dmg in those scenarios.

SS Strong element Iron

She will munch bosses like it's nothing. Realistically, on auto she will more or less equal to Red Hood dmg as burst 3, investment difference will dictate. That is, assuming the boss has permanent core. Without it bmlik will suffer quite a bit. Raven and RRH will outdps her in auto on any given case and similar investments.

D PvP

Manual Play Tiers:

My very crude and old hands came up with a manual sample on the "how to bmilk", its indexed on the message.

S+ Story SS+ Tower

Going manual on tower or story shouldn't change things much, unless it is iron weak and maybe high deficit? Wouldn't count on it. Also... Going crazy on manual in tower? Get a grip, you need to manual alice too.

S+ Bossing Neutral

The increase in final dmg over auto will not be as noticeable as on strong ele, but it is there nonetheless. Same scenario conditions apply: core/parts/pierce

SS+ Strong element Iron Code

This is where this little monster will shine. Compared to auto play, manual when done correctly, will make Bmilk do as much or more dmg than Raven. She might come close to RRH too, but not on par, as RRH also strongly benefits from parts and core as well.

D pVp

SKILLS 10/10/10 You NEED to commit. If you don't plan to build her all the way through, don't start. Each level is a good increase in damage.

OL Attributes Ammo, first and foremost. You need around 15+ bullets (3 lines to 4 ammo lines)

After ammo is tackled, Element damage and Attack lines. 4x of each is nice, but if you have to choose between the 2, pick element dmg over atk.

Final build: 3 ammo > 4 ele + 4 atk > 1 ammo / crit rate / crit dmg (any of the 3 as 12th line)

CUBES Bastion >= Destruction Cube (parts dmg) -> Part dmg cube will get you a higher final dmg if you can hit parts consistently.

DOLL SR5 (purple level 5) then SR15 (purple level 15) You need to max it out eventually, she is worth it.

Auto friendly?

Depends on your play style. She will do less dmg on auto? Yes.
Is it worth it to mald? In my opinion, no. I dislike this type of manual intensive characters, but each to their own. I would settle with the semi-auto approach (full charge each and every shot after the force reload)
Refer to Shinonono video (pinned ) of Bmilk if you want to go absolutely crazy on it and break your finger and mouse.

Final thoughts

Great unit, must pull. Too manual intensive to really get the "super big number", but the semi auto is fine as it is. Get at least 1 copy, if you are that low on gems... Go push tower and story. She is worth it.

I dearly hate discord word count limit

[summer yoke]

Holy mega review. And yeah, Discord ain’t the best for that

[bronze bridge]

how bricked i am without ammo ?

[lunar basin]

worse than alice with no ammo

[dusk bay]

looking for that last ele line be like

[valid ravine]

Skipping B Ade for B Milk is an odd take imo

[austere raven]

🫸 🌪️

[ancient lodge]

new major iron main dps vs a support that overtakes existing supports that do similar stuff

imo its fine, and more, bade will go immediately to pool after the event, bmilk will not

[valid ravine]

Oh right, Milk will have delay

[ancient lodge]

and tbh if you need to skip bade and or bmilk

might as well skip both

[valid ravine]

Still, 20% usage unit vs 98% usage unit

[ancient lodge]

if you say so...

[valid ravine]

20% is generous since iron raids are rare

Wasuka once called one of the best neutral units

ignore right side; bad crop

Meanwhile B Ade better than Mari 👀

[ancient lodge]

imo if you are nitpicking that

[valid ravine]

Anyone going for top 50+ must-pull both

[ancient lodge]

might as well just skip both

yeah, grab collab only

[valid ravine]

Nah. I'm mainly nitpicking since iron is my "skip" element

B Ade will be necessary for me to stay competitive in top 200 for other raids

B Milk probably won't get used in water/electric, my main elements

[ancient lodge]

i will not use bade in UR

[valid ravine]

I could see her in wind tho since wind still sucks for numbers

[ancient lodge]

when grave exists

[valid ravine]

Crown/Grave/B Ade

You only run two teams?

[ancient lodge]

crown mmast / grave / bade is ok

if not then its maids

I hit iron

[valid ravine]

Low sync would use maids, that's true

[ancient lodge]

maybe thats the issue

[valid ravine]

Cuz hard mode requires heavy healing for sub-400 players

[ancient lodge]

yeah no healer is only idk prob 501+?

[austere raven]

I don't care about any mode

[valid ravine]

Even then, depends on boss

[austere raven]

I don't even know why I am here

[ancient lodge]

gatrix only cares about towers istg

[valid ravine]

My 512 alt needed healing vs Rebuild Obelisk

That thing is mean

[austere raven]

first second I was in Paris then bam

[ancient lodge]

prob on the few bosses that kinda need healer

c7 rapi on ny

[verbal hamlet]

What's the optimal number of shots

before Pierce charge ?

[cold ivy]

omg guys

the old threads finally died

[cold ivy]

theoretically its

( 7.5 * 4 ) + 2

so 32

[fathom oriole]

Tf skip bunny ade

No way

Not bmilk over bade

A lot of ppl seemed to notice that

So its not nitpicking

Just unideal advice

[fathom oriole]

Pierce cube is useless

Too diluted to win over Bastion (17+ ammo for 10s of no reload) or Resil

Destruction wins on perma parts but it has no presence

Literally zero boss wants Destruction

Except on SW (can overkill)

Even on new BS, one core + one part core, Pierce cube is only like <3% behind on zero dilution.

And no u cant hit the hidden part without pierce.

So destruction is ultimately useless for anything but SW.

Must pull is an exaggeration. Yes she is a must pull for SR malders. Not really if you dont care.

Using her in Tetra tower is fine, but pushing Story is wild.

Gatrix gave up on using her.

Note that Bastion only works with 3 Ammo

Resilience works with fewer

[strange parcel]

That’s a bs take. Any boss with core that is separate from its body (stormbringer, ultra, mat H etc.) the core counts as a PART and since it’s indestructible, destruction cube can be maximized on it both by milk and red hood

[fathom oriole]

Those break like insanely fast.

Wdym those cores are indestructible.

[strange parcel]

Campaign and UR stormbringer ultra and mat H have permanent cores (unlimited HP). Despite not being visible outside of the double pierce shot damage graphs, they are permanent parts

[fathom oriole]

I wouldn't really bother with UR tbh.

[ancient lodge]

depends on boss I tested on shitbringer destru> but mine is lv 8 so idk

[strange parcel]

You should. UR is literally the second place after SR where minmaxing matters

At least for competitive gaming

[ancient lodge]

I would pick both but if someone is as new as they need to skip someone, I would rather make them skip secondary support than a good dps for story/tower/bossing

[fathom oriole]

There is little value from minmaxing UR.

Other than bragging about your damage. Union discrepancy is larger than minmaxing your own damage.

[strange parcel]

In the end, minmaxing own damage can make or break ranks in UR

[ancient lodge]

UR is all about sync, not minmaxing

[fathom oriole]

For... 400 union chips?

[ancient lodge]

you cant overcome 10B diff by simple manual play or crit fishing

which is prob the case or worse

[strange parcel]

400 chips are 400 chips.

[ancient lodge]

2 batteries

50 UR cycles for a level increase

[fathom oriole]

That's like saying $50 to someone with $10000, idk.

You are literally losing more union chips investing in Destruction.

[ancient lodge]

yeah, same with tempering quantum

[fathom oriole]

You get gems from those.

Not chips.

[strange parcel]

Trust me, minmaxing becomes noticeable at competitive ranks. Being able to bump your teams damage even with 100m can change ranks. 32 people x300m per 3 teams that’s 9.6b extra

[ancient lodge]

for SP? maybe some but, it doesnt fix the sync problem

huh...

wdym trust

ive been consistent in rank 13< union in global

nothing besides average sync matter

at all

[strange parcel]

Brother

[ancient lodge]

couple of million dmg there or not

[strange parcel]

Idk if I want to comment right now or not

[ancient lodge]

is meaningless

[strange parcel]

You say you’re in global

[fathom oriole]

Ok, it costs 160 from 3 to 7.

[strange parcel]

Check rankings in the previous 7 union raids

[fathom oriole]

160 * 200 = 32000.

32000/400 = 80 UR.

Yes.

[ancient lodge]

yeah exactly what im saying, we already squeeze every single dmg we can

[strange parcel]

I’m in solace. The difference between us and Nikkunny (6th and 7th unions) could go as low as few bil

I’m literally in a top 7 challenger union …

[ancient lodge]

min maxxing more wont change a thing because other union wins on avg sync

you cant overcome raw numbers

[fathom oriole]

I mean, at most your investing yourself wouldn't do much but 400 is possible. 800 is doable with more people doing the same thing. It will take a while before you get ROI, however.

[strange parcel]

Nah I won’t say anything

[fathom oriole]

Avg. sync can be compensated.

On a boss where core is fully part, perma, and there is no pierce.

[ancient lodge]

in top ranking as crow said? not quite

[fathom oriole]

Destruction is insanely useful.

[ancient lodge]

unless someone is pretty bad and trash their dmg

[strange parcel]

And one thing @fathom oriole a lvl 7 destruction cube gives more benefit than a lvl 15 resil cube in its ideal environment. And perma core is an ideal environment

[ancient lodge]

I expect good OL for top 15< UR

but I agree, parts cube is really good

[fathom oriole]

Well, anyways:

• Indestructible part, or indestructible core as part = Destruction wins by miles.
• Indestructible core as part + non-part hit (pierce), both permanent = Destruction wins.
• Destructible core/part that breaks way too fast w/o overkill = Pierce wins (only for Pierce DPS).
• Part hit + non-part hit (pierce), both permanent = Destruction wins, marginally.

[strange parcel]

So a red hood with lvl 7 destruction will deal more damage than with resil cube vs ultra or mat H

You don’t have to go all the way to lvl 15 on destruction to feel the difference

[fathom oriole]

Yeah, but Idk how I feel about investing in UR.

As I said earlier, it takes 40-80 or even infinite year to get ROI.

If your investment yields 0 rank increase, you basically waste cubes.

If you don't get mileage out of it with SW on Solo Raid.

[strange parcel]

In the end, you’re not investing just for UR. But destruction cube is not useful only for SR

[fathom oriole]

Only for SW.

And maybe Maxwell.

Depends if the parts break easily.

[strange parcel]

It’s not that limited. Examples with the indestructible core. It has more uses than just SW on a parts damage boss

[fathom oriole]

Which recent SR boss has part as indestructible core.

[strange parcel]

You have
Campaign
SR
UR
Coop (copium a little but still may see some use in the future)
Providence had indestructible core albeit not always exposed. It was considered part. You got red hood benefit if you used destruction cube

[fathom oriole]

Campaign is a bit hard to say.

Also because there are no bosses with core.

[strange parcel]

Campaign (and tower) will have ultra mat H stormbringer.

[fathom oriole]

Tower sure.

Not campaign though.

[strange parcel]

SR is placeholder for any bosses with indestructible core

[fathom oriole]

Yeah, that's just hopium though.

[strange parcel]

UR copies campaign bosses (and their SR gimmicks like windernia)

So you have potentially at least 3 pve contents to use that cube on

[fathom oriole]

You also have more pve content to use Pierce on.

[strange parcel]

Despite being niche it has more value than say onslaught

[fathom oriole]

Although they don't reach the same ceiling.

When the situation allows.

[strange parcel]

If you have to put the cube in ranking i believe it’s below resil and bastion (around same level as quantum)

[fathom oriole]

I also talked way, way earlier that Pierce is more prone to not providing enough value because of how close it might be to Resilience/Bastion on most units.

[strange parcel]

But it’s one of the better ones to invest on

[fathom oriole]

But you cannot deny Pierce is more versatile for SR.

Currently.

[strange parcel]

Pierce cube values are low

[fathom oriole]

And there are 2 units that will always benefit from them, assuming ELE% is compensated. RH and Grave.

[strange parcel]

It doesn’t provide enough value even at 15 to be considered as an alternative to bastion/resil except to only one character and that is red hood

Or grave yes, two characters

[fathom oriole]

The problem is RH is also only relevant in Iron-weak.

Hence, save.

Don't invest in both.

Well, I think the small push is important for ranking in Iron-weak, though.

[ancient lodge]

why be stingy over parts cube

when it is actually good

[strange parcel]

Destruction cube can be utilised way more
Sw and MW obviously
Piercers (even grave and asuka) on indestructible cube
Raven since her burst deals dmg to parts can trigger overkill damage

[ancient lodge]

most already have resil and basti 15 anyway

[fathom oriole]

Ok, lv 7 and 15 difference is 11.61% ELE.

[cold ivy]

What's the discussion here

[fathom oriole]

Assuming 90% ELE RH, that is 211.61/200 = 5.85% damage increase.
Using Pierce cube gives you 14.1% on non-diluted ATK DMG.

[cold ivy]

Why so much yap

[fathom oriole]

If you use Grave, you still get more out of Pierce.

Heh.

[cold ivy]

I thought this unit was solved

[ancient lodge]

ngl I refuse to build pierce cube until I get it to lv 5 only by SR rewards

or rather any cube

[fathom oriole]

Asuka feels meh without Resilience/Bastion.

But I think Destruction can provide more.

Definitely not on 0x Max Ammo, though.

The most common Asuka team is with Grave.

Grave gives 80%, Asuka gives 100% on Burst.

We are looking at 211.9/180 versus 311.9/280.

If the boss does have a permanent part.

Decent boost.

Only if the boss has a permanent part.

Otherwise that 11.61% ELE diff from 7 -> 15 might win.

And also higher base ATK.

I think if you want to invest in Destruction:

You must level it up to 11.

Level 7 -> 11 at least helps compensate some of the base ATK loss and ELE loss.

That said, we are expecting 20 in anniv...

I wouldn't be surprised if we get 3 more ELE lvls.

[ancient lodge]

or skill 3

[fathom oriole]

25.45%.

7 -> 20 will then be 17.98% ELE diff.

Destruction will slowly become obsolete unless you level them up...

If you're in a top 10 union, you're fine.

@coral solstice Like this union rider.

[ancient lodge]

[fathom oriole]

I advise saving at least 200000-300000 union chips.

Before anniv.

That is the cost of upgrading both Resi and Basti to 20 assuming each lvl costs 100-150 batteries.

I expect nothing less.

[ancient lodge]

If no changes, prob one more time gated currency tied to surface content

if anything tho, 150 batteries 16-18 then 200 19-20

lv 4 of skill 1, at 18 or 19 skill 3

[fathom oriole]

The ELE will be 17 19 20.

Src trust me bro Ik

[coral solstice]

I ain't union raider. I got carried by union raiders.

[ancient lodge]

skill 3

at 20 prob

[cold ivy]

UR ain't even that hard man

Just get more sync and roll better OL lines, it's that easy

[sullen stirrup]

u mean 4th anni right? 200k 300k chips is going to take a looong time

dont know how u going to do that for 3rd anni

[fathom oriole]

3rd la

4th anni u save another 200k-300k

[sullen stirrup]

max chips is like 16k per UR?

[bronze bridge]

16k for top 1

[sullen stirrup]

he just assumed we are all in top 1 union

[misty glacier]

16k plus normal mode boss rewards

[bronze bridge]

not even 200k if you top 1 all year

[fathom oriole]

U forgot boss defeat reward

Around 5000 ish

21000 * 12 > 200000

[bronze bridge]

so around 260k if you top 1 all year long

[fathom oriole]

Yes

[bronze bridge]

which will never happen to me

[fathom oriole]

Therefore u need a min. of 200000/12 = 16667 chips per month, which means you have to get 3667 chips from ranking.

That is top 6%

If u reach hard mode

Day 1

[bronze bridge]

i only have like 50k left after getting my bastion to 15 just now

[fathom oriole]

Cooked

May I offer a retirement plan?

[bronze bridge]

it's fine i'm only a top 200 player

never reach 100

[austere raven]

it's been a while since the last time I was in t200

[sullen stirrup]

u were in top200 last sr tho? or just out of it, like top 200~250