[Milk: Blooming Bunny] New Unit Megathread

[valid ravine]

Usually you're hitting multiple elements

[unique olive]

Crown Mast > Grave > Ade > Mari

[dusk shadow]

isn't bade still better for 2nd team in UR

[unique olive]

SRos who

[crisp umbra]

I don't think bready is enough, especially considering water can just be sg

[valid ravine]

B Ade still better for Raven than S Ros?

[dusk shadow]

I ended up using srosa raven in UR bc I used bade with elec

[unique olive]

Interm of whole team benefit

Yes

She's also Iron

And battery

[valid ravine]

Mhm

[noble crown]

the burst gen is sooo important

[valid ravine]

I figured that would be the case, but hadn't tested

[noble crown]

srosa + raven generally lacks that

[valid ravine]

Why not Grave or Crown?

[dusk shadow]

my grave does no dmg, crown already used in t1, along with mmast

[crisp umbra]

I always wondered what people did for the srosanna bready raven mihara comp on kraken iirc?

Do they just eat the gen loss

[dusk shadow]

don't ppl usually rely on helmt gen for such teams

[valid ravine]

Bready's gen is okay-ish

Better than SBS

[unique olive]

https://youtu.be/N9R0gYT8oi0?si=BXR8WwI0JyQiU0We

[noble crown]

easy you don't run it

[crisp umbra]

Or was it sros Bready guillo raven

I forgor

[unique olive]

I used BAde last UR

[valid ravine]

Both occurred

[crisp umbra]

The gen looked rough

[crisp umbra]

Same

[dusk shadow]

so uh, what's milk's skill invests (aside from 10/10/10)

[valid ravine]

7/7/7

[unique olive]

But it still depend on what you will hit

[dusk shadow]

all equal importance?

[valid ravine]

If you don't go 7/7/7 on a DPS unit at least, might as well not use it

[dusk shadow]

if she loses her embarrassment on burst

[crisp umbra]

May as well tell me better than liter

[dusk shadow]

do I even need s1 lvl

[valid ravine]

The only exceptions really are Alice, Maxwell, and SW

[dusk shadow]

isn't that s1 only gonna matter offburst

[crisp umbra]

What do u do on ur offburst?

Sit there?

[dusk shadow]

is she doing much offburst?

[noble crown]

her offburst numbers are like half her burst

[crisp umbra]

She's doing 100% atk up 50% pierce up

[noble crown]

sooo yeah kinda big

[crisp umbra]

[cold ivy]

is sky alive yet

[valid ravine]

Not like 7 is expensive anymore anyway

[dusk shadow]

so burst is still most important

[valid ravine]

with regular overclock and overall Sim Room reward buff

[cold ivy]

milk is a 101010 im pretty sure

[dusk shadow]

I'm broke

[crisp umbra]

Can I have another drake reward pass

[dusk shadow]

esp on burst gold books

[valid ravine]

It's just 8-10 that still hurt insanely

[crisp umbra]

Good thing 7 doesn't use golds

[valid ravine]

Yes please

[crisp umbra]

[noble crown]

road to grape

[cold ivy]

road to liberalio please

[noble crown]

who

[cold ivy]

goat

[crisp umbra]

Road to ||Deez nuts||

[cold ivy]

@mods can we ban kos

anyways is sky alive yet

i want to hop in to see some tests

[dusk shadow]

already live

already did some tests

[cold ivy]

whats it looking like

[dusk shadow]

mainly rh ones, haven't paid much attention

[cold ivy]

did he compare with rrh

[noble crown]

https://www.twitch.tv/skyjlv

[cold ivy]

bruh who cares about MIDHOOD

[dusk shadow]

I haven't seen it

[noble crown]

what the heck is this 0 investment eve and raven

[cold ivy]

testing acc prolly

doesnt spend too many rocks so that new unit testing can have decent comparisons?

sky said it

[dusk shadow]

he said bmilk prob won't be used outside of element

same as rh

[cold ivy]

believable

[noble crown]

not unless pierce abuse allowed

[cold ivy]

but if pierce

then shes used

[dusk shadow]

continuous pierce

[unique olive]

Cause off element bosses dont even have anything to pierce

[valid ravine]

2% DPS unit used outside of element

[unique olive]

[valid ravine]

[cold ivy]

well milk is defo extremely usable

[unique olive]

Search Mat-H Water weak

We used RH dps there

[valid ravine]

Yeah

Then we had two more water raids after that

[noble crown]

I mean same reason as alice being used less

[valid ravine]

Where's Red Hood vs Kraken?

[noble crown]

when you get no core, no pierce just a fat target with 0 gimmicks

alice says bye

[bronze bridge]

use less, get it ?

[cold ivy]

sky just butchered shinono's name

[valid ravine]

Each solo raid gives us more element-specific meta units

and kills a neutral DPS in turn

[bronze bridge]

inevitable

[unique olive]

Wdym

[valid ravine]

Shinononononono

[bronze bridge]

since they made Ele such a ridiculously strong stat, off element teams will eventually die

[valid ravine]

Yup

Aside from 1% units and SG-comp related support units

[cold ivy]

he typed shinononononon in yt search bar lmfao

[tough bough]

It's over

[crisp umbra]

By design

More money in making people build 25 teams than 5

[cold ivy]

yeah so situational dps but really good dps

it is what it is

[bronze bridge]

basically the Ein of Iron

[verbal thorn]

Eiron

[unique olive]

Is he trying to make people understand about SnowWhite

Like how people are doubting BMilk rn

[chilly nimbus]

So guys where’s the report on how to run bmilk so we can squeeze the dps out of her cuz she’s a stingy bitch

[lunar basin]

just getting 1 guy'd

saying SW is cope

🥀

[unique olive]

If he's new then I can understand

After all SW is piercer

[lunar basin]

no clue alot of low iq ppl in his chat these days

[austere raven]

SW is cope

[unique olive]

Saying SW is niche is right but it's too obvious

[verbal thorn]

so...

10-10-10?

(Can't 10-10-10)

[austere raven]

4-4-4

[verbal thorn]

too late, did 7-7-7

[bronze bridge]

7 7 7 is the new 4 4 4 anyway

[austere raven]

just like ... is the new color

[cold ivy]

someone was asking whether snowwhite is worth building today from scratch

[unique olive]

Totally not worth

Unless u'r done on the other units

SW is like a hidden card, rarely used

But a game changer when needed

🫃

[austere raven]

she's a trump

card

[unique olive]

Still better than building Water units

[bright jackal]

I will build sw if she can steal miranda buff from helm

[unique olive]

And why tf discord has this default emoji

🫃 🫃 🫃

[olive rapids]

80% of b1 rapi

tbf it is 400k less cp

[lunar basin]

Yeah that rapi is 12/12 112/53

They didn’t share the milk ols

Other than sw milk is 2nd best pierce iron

[dusk bay]

what about hiro

[strange parcel]

They have some special form of hate towards RH

(Almost) never release content where she can shine, get outdps-d by units like raven now they even stripped her off her continuous pierce dps role

[lunar basin]

Yeah

Still mad about coop

Stormbringer but removed pierce and core

[dusk bay]

my rh was queen during mat H UR

almost matched my raven

[strange parcel]

Almost matched raven in a mat H UR

My rh did 2x rapi rh damage in matH but my rh is an outlier because of her absurd OL stats

And there’s a big chance milk with medium investment outbeat her

[ivory saffron]

Pull milk?

[lunar basin]

skip if ur a casual

[light burrow]

I think if this was pinned it'd be a lot easier to understand cus the text explanation is confusing

[chilly seal]

I have no problem staring at Milk every time I play

[lunar basin]

that vid isn't ideal way to play

shino's vid he made is

[coral solstice]

So how BMilk compared to existing iron dps?

[lunar basin]

using milk for burst gen is bad

iron alone 2nd best iron

pierce

[coral solstice]

About how much of redhood or rapipi or any other iron dps?

[fathom oriole]

A studio looks much cooler.

Buy studio panels, buy expensive mic, buy expensive audio interface, buy studio speakers. Arrange them neatly. People know that shit looks more professional and costly (well, they are).

And the first impression is not that you're a gamer but that you're a talented PC mf who writes music and likely does other good things too.

[rose meteor]

🤔

[fathom oriole]

RGB is ugly.

RGB is like adding tomato/hot sauce to turn shit cooking into "good".

[dusk bay]

full auto?

[fathom oriole]

Need to manual.

[rose meteor]

no, manual

[fathom oriole]

Also heavy invest diff.

[rose meteor]

but without macro

[lunar basin]

ols?

oh maid duos

[rose meteor]

cuz ammo issue

[fathom oriole]

That team is slightly biased toward RRH, though.

[lunar basin]

if this is in range and manual looks about right tbh

no one should beat rrh

with perma core

[fathom oriole]

Wrong.

[lunar basin]

its range test

[fathom oriole]

Both Milk and RRH want core anyway.

[lunar basin]

yes ?

its mg and rapi on core

[fathom oriole]

They're as reliant on core as each other.

No difference.

[dusk bay]

so I’m guessing for iron UR team from now it’s going to be rh+bmilk and only rh+raven if no core no pierce

[fathom oriole]

Nah, all 3.

[lunar basin]

rrh or rh?

[rose meteor]

0 ammo is pain

[dusk bay]

regular rh, for burst gen purpose

[fathom oriole]

RH BMilk Raven offburst

[lunar basin]

oh i see no ammo

[dusk bay]

i read bmilk is bad for burst gen

[lunar basin]

no core no pierce in UR

would eve raven still not be the best?

miranda

[dusk bay]

i’m considering things like burst gen as well

[lunar basin]

[cold ivy]

All teams will be

[lunar basin]

yeah infinite ammo mg on core

like highly doubt milk can match rapi but that test is close

80%

[fathom oriole]

Not all.

Mari Grave and Ade are definitely biased not toward RRH.

[cold ivy]

true

[fathom oriole]

Remove core and Milk will only relatively gain a small amount of damage (5%) or none at all versus RRH.

[lunar basin]

its very very hard to do a fair comparison vs rapi

[fathom oriole]

It is a fair comparison.

Stop glorifying Rapi core.

Milk is as dependent on core as Rapi is.

[lunar basin]

yes ik

[cold ivy]

Rapi the goat tho so don't matter

[lunar basin]

i'm not arguing about core

i'm arguing its mg on core and we know how not balanced rapi is

only way she loses is if its ultra

😔

[fathom oriole]

One is 1%.

The other is 2%.

[lunar basin]

yes and milk does extremely well for a 2%

[fathom oriole]

Anyways, the goal of BMilk is to be paired with Pierce buffers.

Not Maids.

The generic buffers buff other units.

A "real world" test would be doing something like:

• Siren Crown Rapipi Eve MastM
• DWife Ade RH BMilk X

Now, you know.

BMilk is not made to compete with RRH.

[tough bough]

Yeah but you have to actually get ammo rolls to play her without maids because she's a macro unit

[lunar basin]

thats why i said its not a fair comparison cause maids are buffing rapi, milk barely getting buffed in that comp

[fathom oriole]

Yeah, as I said here before, she's Alice.

The 2025 Alice.

Want it or not.

[lunar basin]

macro or not we would never use her in maids ( maids duos aren't together ) so yes u need ammo

[fathom oriole]

Not giving her Ammo is like not giving Alice ammo.

[tough bough]

People must have started to buy the rock packs if they let you pay to play with macro

[fathom oriole]

Similarly, not building her is like not building Alice but at least Alice still got to be SBS's slave.

[tough bough]

4 ele + ammo costs a billion rocks and if you just build ammo with no ele it's probably better to maidmaxx

[lunar basin]

just skip her then

[fathom oriole]

She just needs 2-3 ammo.

Doro needed more.

[tough bough]

Yeah and I spent like 100 rocks on doro

[lunar basin]

sdoro?

[tough bough]

[lunar basin]

should of just went the 1 ammo route on her

[tough bough]

we're running 4 ammo on Regular doro

The CN approved build

[coral solstice]

Doro treasure when

[tough bough]

Enriched

[austere raven]

yeah this is more like it

[lunar basin]

now do the pierce comp

and damage will be higher

[austere raven]

peak should be around 80% Rapi since I take account of 2 full charge shot every FB

[rose meteor]

if i give milk a doll, 10/10/10 and some ammo, maybe it will be ~75% of rapi 🤔

[lunar basin]

80% of rapi very good

yeah damage diff is ammo

[austere raven]

yeah I have the feeling ammo is the only reason her dmg diff so much from math. Dmg per shot looks align now when we use Alice as baseline

dmg per shot of Alice during burst is even lower than Milk tap

my Milk has 6 ammo, so she reloads a lot, which lower theoretically 25 shot over 10s

[zinc kraken]

75% ele no ammo

[static saffron]

666

https://tenor.com/view/cat-screaming-cat-scream-meme-red-eyes-gif-12792068721608052145

[lunar basin]

oh ur milk isn't dolled

https://tenor.com/view/doro-thinking-gif-13015072109773951737

[light burrow]

Where is it

[lunar basin]

check his yt

[light burrow]

[chilly seal]

My Milk is dolled, overloaded and skilled. But I only have Core 1

[chilly nimbus]

Watch RE units power creep milk in that they’re actually useful

[lunar basin]

we've had too many iron this year

time for iron to leave for another year

[chilly seal]

I don't CARE about Meta, I WANT MILK

[chilly nimbus]

Core max nao

[chilly seal]

I have all my molds, social points and normal vouchers saved up for when she is available in normal recruitment

I also have 1200 golden tickets, maybe I will use some of those,

[rose meteor]

[austere raven]

Red eats all the pierce dmg buff here

She has 0 pierce dmg buff

The gain is incredible

[rose meteor]

literally unplayable without ammo or reload buff

[lunar basin]

need a better dkw her buffs are so mid

[austere raven]

scale incredibily hard with ammo till 18

because you need to full charge anyway

I guess best situation is probably 32 ammo which is ha ha, impossible

so we roll with 16 ammo first rotation, reloads, full charge, tap tap tap, for a total 25 shots

[safe badge]

[coral solstice]

So 16 is ok?

[safe badge]

So she should be with Crown/maids?

I got 0 ammo milk too

After 50 rock ffs

[summer yoke]

I figured the OL priority might be Ele > Ammo > Atk = CritRate/CritDmg. And if you're full on casual only using her embarrassment and no manual play otherwise, you only need 22 or fewer ammo. If fast burst gen, even fewer like your 18

[coral solstice]

Isn't 22 like 4 ammo line

[summer yoke]

You can offset with Bastion

[coral solstice]

[unique olive]

3 68% is around 18-19

Same as Alice

But my advice is wait more

[summer yoke]

I forgot the rules for Bastion proc My memory is disappearing

[cold ivy]

Should You Pull / Is She Good

Milk is the ultimate pierce DPS unit. She is a highly manual intensive unit that plays out similar to Trony (mix of full charge and spam shots), and as an added bonus, she also requires compulsory investment into overload lines.

Keeping this in mind, if you do not plan to invest some effort into learning her, and/or just play auto usually, Milk is not the unit for you. Otherwise, if you want to improve your Iron Weak Solo Raid or Union Raid rank, Milk is a must pull on all accounts. Dupes for competitiveness otherwise one copy also works fine.

While she is also highly usable for Campaign and Tribe Tower, that is not her main use. She is mainly going to be used as a bosser unit for Iron content. She may be used in neutral as well if the boss has enough uptime on pierce-able spots.

Why is she good?

It's really simple when it comes to DPS units. Milk deals a ton of damage if played properly and in the right teams (pierce damage buff teams), that's about it. If you want to compare to known examples, she is roughly 70-85% of RapiRH on a core boss, and can be considered an equal to Raven (still on boss with core) (variations depend on investments), assuming no pierce-able zones.

If, perchance, there is a boss with high uptime on pierce zones (such as Material H or Stormbringer, who has a permanently pierce-able core), Milk is the best and ultimate DPS. No one comes close to her in this situation, she is genuinely just a tier ahead of the competition. She can even compete in such situations against elemental DPS who do not pierce! That is how good this is for her!

Well, just keep in mind that this all only happens if you play her properly. Check pins of this thread to have an idea on how to play her, and watch Shinono's video for a reference as well.

One copy at least imo, dupes for the lads who want high rank in SR, and prayers to your OL rolls

https://youtu.be/oY1zZv1jtDk

[summer yoke]

Are you sure about being 80-90% of RapiRH?

Is this a "B1 RapiRH"?

[cold ivy]

No

Get good if you're not getting those numbers I think

[coral solstice]

BMilk likes pierce dmg buff?

[cold ivy]

There's no buff really to give her otherwise

[summer yoke]

That's terrifying. So 100% ele, 50% atk, RapiRH, does so much craziness already, and BMilk with the same OL effects (and ammo lines too), will be basically very, very close to her?

And that's before she pierces anything?

[cold ivy]

Bro 90% of RRH is raven

So she's equal to Raven

It's as simple as that

Not really complicated

[lunar basin]

a lb1 no doll worse ol lines with maids that are giga buffing rapi not milk is doing 80% already vs a stronger rapi sr15 c1

[cold ivy]

Raven Vs Rapi Vs Milk

Yes core, low pierce uptime: Rapi is the best

No core, low pierce uptime: Raven

Yes Core, high pierce uptime: Milk is the best

No Core, high pierce uptime: Milk is the best

Bonus: low pierce uptime but 2+ parts, Snow White is the best.

That's about it really

Any other questions just ping me

OL lines

4× Ele
4× Ammo
4× Atk

Skills

7/7/7-> 10/10/10

[summer yoke]

Does she have the same benefit as with Alice in pirate maids? Instant reload bypassing the need for ammo OLs?

[cold ivy]

Kindof, yes

[lunar basin]

yeah

[cold ivy]

You lose damage in first few bursts though at low ammo

Milk has no ramp up time so she starts dealing her peak damage asap

[summer yoke]

Np, was just wondering if it might be the best move for someone just being cheap with the rocks

[static saffron]

So basically when there's full pierce

Use snow

That's it

[lunar basin]

well iron raids eve mast rapi crown

[static saffron]

[lunar basin]

unless u want to do maid duos

[unique olive]

Storm Bringer coming next UR

Brace your self

[lunar basin]

the one from coop?

[unique olive]

[lunar basin]

[unique olive]

The one with permanent core

[lunar basin]

good good, fk the coop one

😔

[summer yoke]

Is it optimal to full charge before piercing buff drop, or start full charging just before it drops?

Difference being former is you start charging before ~5s into the piercing buff and must get the shot off before it drops

Latter, you start charging just before ~6s into the piercing buff, it'll expire while BMilk's still charging

[bright jackal]

@cold ivy her delay after each shot is the same with regular sniper ?

[cold ivy]

Should be

I don't see any delay

My stuff was working fine

[bright jackal]

ig sth wrong with my gaming chair

[unique olive]

Full charge after reloading

[bright jackal]

sometime it just not work...

[unique olive]

But still depend on ammo count

I have 14 and it's not enough for me

[cold ivy]

FPS issue maybe?

On coop my shit don't work

[summer yoke]

I'm meaning the cycle of fire full charged shot, then spam, then repeat

Trying to find out what timing, do I need to ensure the piercing buff never drops at all, or is it better to let it drop?

[unique olive]

Ig never let it drop

Cause your full charge to refresh is still pierce

And it's a fat 274% smth charge with pierce buff

But that's for me with 14 ammo

[austere raven]

have you tried Milk vs Crystal Armor

thick ass 220% ATK buff should be enough to break armor

[bright jackal]

nope... cp gap

[austere raven]

does it go lower than 1.7m?

10/10/10

[bright jackal]

1m72 atm

[strange flume]

Are you saying I need a premium max pro gaming chair for BMilk to reach 90% of RHH

[austere raven]

enough, do it

[lunar basin]

and 4x ammo

[austere raven]

I did it with 1.7 and Eunhwa

[chilly nimbus]

My milk only got 3 ammo 1 ele rest trash in 6 rocks

[bright jackal]

eunhwa is true dmg

[chilly nimbus]

Can I go jump off a bridge now

[austere raven]

that's why I ask for 220% ATK Milk to do the god's work

[lunar basin]

basically get a perfect build and gamer chair to be 90%

[chilly nimbus]

Alice pro max

[lunar basin]

its like

alice vs mihara

mihara beats out alice if perfect build without grave or naga

[chilly nimbus]

Potential Nikke of the month

ok so if she’s built for a normal player and not a rock addicted turbo whale, she’ll do respectable damage still

[verbal hamlet]

Dev knows what to do to make the banner interesting

[lunar basin]

at this point just keep using cindy

[chilly nimbus]

I just want the 3% frame

Globlul too

[lunar basin]

bro 3% isn't hard

[chilly nimbus]

it is when you’re skill issued and no maid mast like me

[lunar basin]

u only need half the units that top 50 use

[bright jackal]

hhm... my milk has potential... she can get 4 atk 4 ele 3 ammo without too much rocks...

[chilly nimbus]

My alt with full maids can do 2% at the first attempt meanwhile my main is struggle bus central

[lunar basin]

no maid duos

just use old duos

[chilly nimbus]

MW has core right I know it does but in these core less times still gotta ask

sanity checking

[chilly nimbus]

How many rocks is this

[bright jackal]

45

[chilly nimbus]

Ah ok

Makes sense

Good 3rd line rolls

[bright jackal]

you think i got them with less than 10?

[chilly nimbus]

I’ve seen things

So I had to ask

[austere raven]

I have 4 ele 3 atk with 33 rocks

the fun part is fishing 2 3 ammo

[verbal hamlet]

rerolling until Ele/attack third line?

what if u get Ammo 3rd line first

[iron frost]

im hearing that milk is quite strong but requires very specific manual control

[verbal hamlet]

She's super megastronk

but the manual mechanics is pulling her legs down

[wraith dawn]

I had SW pretty weak in ele atk and I put her at 4/3 ele/atk, but now I'm doing to 20 rocks with incomplete OL on Eve and Raven, so I think that even pulling Milk would result in garbage OL for her and bad manual play

[ivory jungle]

bursting with rh first vs bursting with bmilk first vs ai ultra

her wasting 4.5s every offburst sucks though

had to do 2 runs because whoever bursts first gets all the core dmg while the 2nd burster has 0 core to hit over 2-3 bursts in a run

[austere raven]

test on museum then

also I tried Siren burst on her, still reload

can't be filled ammo no matter what

[devout briar]

Meta milk

[ivory jungle]

hmmm

14 full bursts. 20 atk 68 ele milk vs 34 atk 83 ele rh

my goddamn milk gulped all 100 rocks and the last ele line is still nowhere to be seen

[austere raven]

I only need 33

be luckier

[ivory jungle]

fuck you

[chilly nimbus]

wtf is that sticker

🫃

[austere raven]

[ivory jungle]

🥀

[chilly nimbus]

Ok so what I understand is for upcoming sr dump all rocks on milk

[ivory jungle]

maybe test with raven to see if she's actually the second best iron dps

rh's kinda mid these days

[chilly nimbus]

poor rh

[ivory jungle]

maybe everyone should go 50k posts in maincord feedback again so that shift up has to 2nd round buff rh like in 1st year anni

[fathom oriole]

For this raid, likely.

Milk will enjoy pierce and damage range bonus.

Raven is RL. No damage distance.

[fathom oriole]

Been the case past few months.

[tough bough]

People said vesti would be besti on her own raid too

[lunar basin]

was that before or after

ppl saw how shit she was in range

[austere raven]

I'm sure I said she was dog shit the moment I knew her S2 didn't multiply per part

[chilly nimbus]

She broke the balls but using her as the only fire unit in a team was literal cock and ball torture cuz of her bullshit shooting mechanics and the 5 qte circles near the end

[tiny sierra]

how is cooking?

[fallow quail]

Bunny Milk worth?

[unique olive]

how much is this % of Rapi @austere raven

Neutral shooting range, Rapi 49.37% , BMilk 20.81%

[grim yarrow]

70%

[fathom oriole]

@unique olive Whats ur BMilk invest

[unique olive]

[grim yarrow]

72.8% to be precise

[fathom oriole]

And what's RH

[unique olive]

RRH or RH?

[fathom oriole]

RH

[fathom oriole]

72.8%

[fathom oriole]

Thanks.

[fathom oriole]

Gatrix says Milk should be 80% ish at similar investments.

[grim yarrow]

[fathom oriole]

Two answers are better than one.

[grim yarrow]

milk just doesnt scale as well due to buff bloat

[fathom oriole]

But that also makes her less support dependent.

[grim yarrow]

yeah

[fathom oriole]

Definitely makes her weaker too though.

[grim yarrow]

she works on just about any team

[fathom oriole]

To me, she's just 2025 Alice but Iron.

Better(?) damage, similar playstyle.

[grim yarrow]

but until we get a top tier damage taken support she'll probably just stay iron alice

[fathom oriole]

Similar investments but no cs requirement.

Can't be SBS slave tho.

[fathom oriole]

Damage Taken would benefit everyone.

I don't think it would change much.

Sure, Damage Taken works best with bloated units, but usually the minmaxing gets outweighed by using optimal DPS.

[austere raven]

put your Alice vs Rapi on neutral

you will have an idea where Milk is

[small mural]

One needs gaming chair or just click auto the other needs manual embarrassment.

[safe sail]

Basically what i've been seeing is normal people should still just skip her

[small mural]

It's not that big of a game changer I guess unless you take SR very seriously.

[austere raven]

lower formula a bit more so it reflects more accurate situation

Milk with moderate ammo (26 taps over 10s + 2 full charge) = 75% rapi
Milk with high ammo (32 taps over 10s + 2 full charge) = 80% Rapi
Frame perfect (burst starts immediately when you release full charge, only full charge once through entire 10s, total 35 taps) = 85% Rapi

the 32 taps is doable with 0 reload (109% reload speed)

[safe sail]

people fighting for top 200 rank SR and high score in UR must pull to keep up, normal people skip

Collab and anni powercreep right around the corner

[austere raven]

normally, us pleb should settle with first one

26 taps

which is very good already

[small mural]

Yeah your looking at collab, Anni, Limited Xmas Pilgrim and NY Pilgrim/respec in a few months

[grim yarrow]

well its very unlikely it would powercreep crown anyways, so i think the damage taken support would get paired with the units that benefit the most of it

[wraith dawn]

That's the point I was making from earlier today, everyone's testing Milk vs. other characters with the best supports

Milk will never see those supports unless she's used to push campaign at high deficit somehow, and she wastes almost every single buff she receives from them, so she should be tested with bad supports for iron SR as well

[grim yarrow]

her current bis support is shelm so thats probably what she gets used with

i would imagine she'll be inserted in snow white team considering they both benefit from the same buffs

[wraith dawn]

It turns out I'm actually pulling her since I liked how she did in the event, but whether or not I'll use her is a differen story

[rose meteor]

with bad supports the second b3 will be at a disadvantage

[wraith dawn]

That's the entire point

She's not competing with rapipi to begin with

[grim yarrow]

i'll do a 10 pull for her to see my luck and also cause i like milk as a character, but i dont see myself using her a lot in the long run, my manual play is pretty bad

[wraith dawn]

She's competing with the worse irons that will also lose out on the good supports

Or, for example, the tetra tower team someone tested with, if I remember correctly

[grim yarrow]

wasnt alice still used in tetra tower?

[rose meteor]

almost no one can

[grim yarrow]

since she's an alice powercreep its an easy replacement in tower

[chilly nimbus]

she is the potential nikke

[lunar basin]

Milk doesn’t get that much benefits from supports

80% of rapi is very good alone

Ignoring what supports were ran

Thats raven tier no?

[grim yarrow]

yeah she's on par with raven

except for bosses that can be pierce abused

[safe sail]

who said u must remove alice in tower? The correct answer is play both of them

[lunar basin]

that sounds aids

[safe sail]

[lunar basin]

Alice for tower is still the best just spam nothing else

Unless iron weak boss

[safe sail]

Just burst milk first for the aoe

To wipe out first wave

[lunar basin]

even if no core or pierce like how alice was on ziz milk will still be used on all iron contetn

[safe sail]

Then use alice to burst down the boss rapture

[lunar basin]

[shy hazel]

people already have Alice invested so to just build milk all over again

idk chief

[lunar basin]

Milk is iron niche nikke for sure

[safe sail]

That guy implying milk kicks alice out of tetra tower when u have both invested, but that is not true

[lunar basin]

neutral is slowly getting nuked anyways

[shy hazel]

@unique olive were you looking for milk pngs?

[floral swan]

lmao

honestly if anything you could just direct those to me

[tough bough]

what % of rrapi is bmilk if you full charge and do the one overcharge after every burst?

[carmine parcel]

I thought she was pretty good in Tetra Tower swapping her in for Alice and BAde in for Blanc. The AoE from Strawberry Milk was very much worth it from ease of use perspective.

Tetra’s main weakness in Tower is their lack of AoE.

Wait for early mobs to gather then embarrass Milk.

Strawberry Milk solves the AoE issue to some degree.

[sullen tide]

Is she worth mileage?

[unique olive]

the icon I sent

[floral swan]

the one with her all embarrassed?

[unique olive]

this one

[floral swan]

pick your poison

[unique olive]

LOL

thanks

[safe sail]

Its just incredibly funny to me that shiftup hates macro alice and has "anti-cheat" for macro and then they turn around and release this

[chilly seal]

I've been wanting that, thank you

[noble crown]

pretty much opposite of whatever the ceo writes in his dev notes
we hear you we will do more QC -> less QC and fuck ton more issues

we hear you about macros -> designs dogshit units that play easier and better with gaming chairs

[austere raven]

so what does he say other stuffs

time to reverse his words and find out the true messages

[hearty tinsel]

I really like this

[small mural]

Lol a few years ago they were so anti gooning and actively showed less skin on release Nikkes. Now they 360'd for $$$

[unique olive]

[chilly nimbus]

fucking whale luck wtf

[static saffron]

11 atk and 22 ele, honestly with this economy imo is a keep and not roll

[wraith dawn]

Yeah I would never never ever reroll that

[valid ravine]

Don't go outside today

[knotty thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1035012600276197396/1261015597630881893/glorpnotl.gif

Mods

How is that allowed

[chilly nimbus]

Secret whale rates

[chilly seal]

Literally me

However there is a third type, the one that goes
"i hate her because i didn't like what she did in the story a year ago, i hope she fucking dies and everyone who likes her along with her"

[tough bough]

me when i see m*ry

[crisp umbra]

the right side is broke tho

[grim yarrow]

me when liveryn banner

[valid ravine]

Same

[ivory jungle]

how my own test went between bunny milk and rh vs interception ultra (+ solo raid museum screenshot at the end). thanks for watching as always https://youtu.be/DgH7wbbodfI

[summer yoke]

Tetra Tower unit too, but tbh having the unit but skipping investing is the easiest choice to make in Nikke. Can just invest later if you suddenly want to

We need more standard pool units like this, not collab or seasonal limited units

[fathom oriole]

Should not.

Tetra Tower unit is double benefit.

Cus like

Rouge Blanc/Ade Alice Milk Noir

Is probably the best Tetra Tower pusher now.

Can use XLud too instead of Noir.

[chilly seal]

I want to invest as much as I can

[fathom oriole]

Ye, if you skipped Tactical, invest in Milk.

And vice versa.

If you invested in Tactical,

You have to skip Milk.

She might be used in UR.

X X RH BMilk Raven

Liter/DWife Ade RH BMilk Raven

Depends.

So you wasted on Tacticals.

Well, that's why Ig.

I found PvP is a scam.

It gives you more gems but also eats those gear/rocks.

No, that's not how it works.

PvP Top 10 is sure but Top 6 and above has worse returns than investments.

SR is really good once you hit around T100 mark. And very good if you can push to T20 mark.

You think people can compete in PvP?

You probably have a lucky bracket.

That doesn't exist for everyone.

And is even rarer in Day 1 brackets.

[crisp umbra]

i pulled both and im investing in both

[fathom oriole]

You are not Day 1, though.

Top 30 is a given.

You don't need to invest at all to get 2000 gems every 2 weeks.

Like at all.

Zero PvP investment.

[shy hazel]

haven't touched pvp in a year and get 2k a week

[fathom oriole]

Top 10 PvP is a bloodbath and you see people investing and OLing Poli, Bay, Rumani, etc.

[crisp umbra]

unless ur in the worst bracket imaginable (kerippo konto sky and like 5 other whales) top 10 should be fine without too much investment

[fathom oriole]

That's what I thought.

[crisp umbra]

ur prob not having more than 3-4 whales in a bracket

[fathom oriole]

But after dumping Top 10,

[chilly nimbus]

Yes I have a sr15 jackal how do you know

[fathom oriole]

I got more gems in return lmao.

[crisp umbra]

wym?

like if u dont invest in pvp and u just sit lower?

[fathom oriole]

Top 10 gives gems but the cost of investments may outweigh them depending on how tryhard your bracket is.

Earlier players have it worse.

And usually PvP units don't get to work in PvE.

Ok, TVesti is an exception.

[crisp umbra]

atm i have 3-4 whales (depending on shuffle) who have outcped me with core dust/cores

my pvp investments r like

477 emi and 101010 scar

[fathom oriole]

But Moran, Trina,

Bay, Poli

[crisp umbra]

i dont use bay or poli

i did pull trina but i expect her in electric SR

[fathom oriole]

Are you D1?

[crisp umbra]

top 5

[fathom oriole]

No, Day 1.

[crisp umbra]

sometimes 3-4 depending on shuffle

[fathom oriole]

What's your account age?

[fathom oriole]

Day 1 then.

Lucky bracket ig.

[crisp umbra]

i expect the early brackets to be harder right?

[fathom oriole]

Or he whales.

[chilly nimbus]

def

[crisp umbra]

i mean i have 4 people above me i cant hit cuz core diff

theyre like sync 700

[fathom oriole]

Yes, he whales.

[crisp umbra]

im like 600smth

[fathom oriole]

He definitely bought core dust.

Yep.

Definitely bought core dust.

[crisp umbra]

so i dont really invest in pvp aside from bare minimum

but hold top 5

[fathom oriole]

Yeah, no shit, it worked for you, cus you bought core dust.

[crisp umbra]

i didnt buy coredust

[fathom oriole]

Which is the best PvP investment.

[crisp umbra]

???

[fathom oriole]

Not even $15?

[crisp umbra]

other people bought core dust vs me

no

[fathom oriole]

Interesting.

[crisp umbra]

literally the only thing ive spent is crown gacha skin

[fathom oriole]

Fully F2P?

[crisp umbra]

it wont even make up 1 level

[fathom oriole]

Well, you have crazy bracket luck, then.

Full of people who don't care about PvP.

[crisp umbra]

maybe, it could also be that i pushed hard really eary in campaign

and just stomped most of them out

i think im on the higher end of day 1 without buying core dust?

[fathom oriole]

My bracket literally has 10 whales.

[fathom oriole]

Fighting Top 10.

[crisp umbra]

boxes left over

[fathom oriole]

That is week 2 account btw.

[maiden plover]

Oh hey thats my bracket

[fathom oriole]

Ig it depends on your bracket.

If your PvP is chill, you focus more on PvP.

If your PvP is unmaintainable, better drop it.

As simple as that.

[crisp umbra]

ya i have like 4 or 5 levels saved up

[crisp umbra]

i agree with this

if ur in 10 whale bracket like full whales

u jsut give up

how do u fight kerippo noeita konto sky as f2p?

[fathom oriole]

They all buying $15 packs.

[crisp umbra]

they put 5x rare nikke and u die

[fathom oriole]

You will get outsynced at the end of the day.

And fighting uphill is not fun.

You know what has worked best.

Not investing in both SR and PvP.

[crisp umbra]

but then what am i playing

if i dont sr and dont pvp

campaign finished

[maiden plover]

Me cheering for keripo in champion arena

[fathom oriole]

That's why SR feels more useful.

[shy hazel]

minigames

[fathom oriole]

Because what's useful in SR is also useful in UR.

[shy hazel]

[fathom oriole]

Campaign is a bit different.

[crisp umbra]

if some1 enjoys pvp thats all the more power to them

[fathom oriole]

It can be a mix of SR + PvP but mostly SR units.

[crisp umbra]

i dont judge

[fathom oriole]

Anomaly is SR units too.

[crisp umbra]

like how some people just pull waifu

[fathom oriole]

I judge them.

[crisp umbra]

im not their mom they can do what they want

[fathom oriole]

Cus some waifu chasers are like...

Guys help me build teams but must use Isabel.

Or something really stupid.

[shy hazel]

i dont see that kind

[fathom oriole]

Go to maincord.

[crisp umbra]

use them to test

[fathom oriole]

[crisp umbra]

arcana isabel tech

[shy hazel]

no ty

[crisp umbra]

free testing

wait til some1 asks u to build with crow

[fathom oriole]

Man.

They get stuck, complain, ask for help, then force us to give a team with Isabel, etc.

I was like nah bro fuck you.

[crisp umbra]

not snake so angy

[shy hazel]

Give me a Guilty team

[summer yoke]

Welcome to the Surface Content waiting room

[crisp umbra]

the problem i have with pvp is

u put ur investments in and realistically it doesnt stop u from getting hit that much

unless u outcp them

i dont need more ways to attack

so the effective gain of putting your resources into pvp is limited

along side there not being as much interactive gameplay there

the most important is what you want to do and how much reward do you get for your investment in the thing you dont want to do

say u pull vesti for pvp, and it takes u 60 pulls, how long until that arena income difference from having her gives you 18000 gems

lets say u go from chal4 to chal 10(probably not this derastic) thats 700 gems biweekly, it takes me 50 weeks to gain back that 18000 gems for something i want to do

[misty turret]

Atleast the guy is moved on from "LoWEsT ClEarEd cP" retard thingy

Im so proud of him

now he is pvp shiller

[crisp umbra]

ya my take is make sure ur investing in what you enjoy doing

its a game at the end of the day if u enjoy the SR portion pull towards that

if u enjoy pvp pull for pvp

[wraith dawn]

I don't even know if half the time

UR is 3 teams from SR's 5 and the elements can be picked, depending on how the union works

[drowsy hornet]

so uhm

how to git gud

at bmilk

[ashen flame]

Can someone TLDR this doll for me ? Feels like lots of micro management or is it just me ?

welp for some reason the pin wasn't pining, don't mind me.

[noble crown]

so much yapping not related to milk smh

[sullen stirrup]

Talking about pvp in here

She should be bad in pvp

[ivory jungle]

20 atk 68 ele milk vs 10 atk 91 ele raven inside shooting range. 14 full bursts total

idk. kind of close to being 2nd best dps if your raven does not suck

[summer yoke]

Yeah, basically BMilk is meta for Iron. Does well enough even in unfavorable battles

Unfavorable meaning no core, no piercing opportunities

So now decide if you want to bolster your Iron raiding asap, or wait for wishlist/rng to someday give you her

I also dk the priority for Iron-weak bosses in UR anymore either

1 strong Iron team possibly squeezes out and benches BMilk, and you can hit 2 other elements

[grim yarrow]

bmilk is more a flex character for your weaker teams

since she doesnt really scale that well with the top tier supports

[fathom oriole]

RH mostly.

Sidegrade to RH.

Similar function. Just better in damage but worse in some others.

Raven can off-burst.

It's not the same.

Also Raven in shooting range =

No parts, has core.

Raven's WORST environment.

Don't compare her to Raven.

Raven wins.

Hands down.

[bronze bridge]

UR meta won't change until the next hyper dps come out

only 3 teams

[drowsy hornet]

so getting bmilk to 7/7/7 is good enough?

I wanna hit 3% this raid

instead of my usual 4%

oh fr?

ok, I can get down her playstyle tbh

wait she's also good in tower right?

I do need better tetra dps

amazing

[summer yoke]

BMilk should basically crush SAnis and also free you from depression

[drowsy hornet]

I worry about my gold burst books ngl

[summer yoke]

The depression of using SAnis with Noir

[drowsy hornet]

I'm having to use sanis against non-elemental, it fcking sucks

sanis-rouge-alice-ade-xlud

itt's not fantastico

i tell ya what

[summer yoke]

Are you stuck in Tetra Tower though?

[drowsy hornet]

I wonder if this is enough for 10/10/10 and spare for upcoming banners

I didn't pull her yet

[drowsy hornet]

uhhh

yes

MW

nvm

i am not stuck apparently

I forgot I beat MW nvm

so, no!

i am not stuck

[summer yoke]

Then it’s basically useless to get and invest in her now

[drowsy hornet]

I was just wondering if I should go and grab bmilk for iron weak, but if she had any use outside of iron-weak

[summer yoke]

For Tetra Tower that is

[drowsy hornet]

wait wut

oh

wut about for SR

[summer yoke]

Who knows

[drowsy hornet]

huh

snake says must pull but I don't really mald SR

if she's just an alright iron dps.. mmm

ig my question is if she does anything in neutral

i was gonna pair her with cindy as a hybrid-cindy team for non-electric weak

would aiming for 3% be considered malding? by just casually doing SR I can reach 5%

if she's "just another iron dps" who only peaks in pierce situations, than her use case falls way more than just a generic iron dps would

ig the best call would just be to wait for this SR to start

and just decide then

[crisp umbra]

why would u pair cindy with another off element if shes already off element

just run full electric at that point

iron sr is prob already dropping cindy at top ranks?

bmilk rh should beat cindy rh

[drowsy hornet]

she's one of my best neutral dps

[crisp umbra]

right

[drowsy hornet]

i am not a top ranker

[crisp umbra]

but

[drowsy hornet]

sanis's dmg is worthless

[crisp umbra]

if ur running cindy off element

and bmilk off element

[drowsy hornet]

and xmaiden can't rly be used

[crisp umbra]

why not just run sanis xmaiden

and buff ur cindy more

[drowsy hornet]

well i was gonna use sanis as off-burst with a weird team comp

[crisp umbra]

i mean u can stick her in a cope cindy team instead of rh

but at the same time that would be specifically for iron weak

[drowsy hornet]

can normal cindy team even beat MW, I don't have hit rate so I have to try and destroy the core asap

I see... well, I'll just wait for SR to come out

worst comes to worst, I just default to my 5 teams I use in basically every single SR

and get like a 4%, maybe if I'm lucky, 3%

[crisp umbra]

but yea i dont see value in putting an off element milk in off element cindy team

it doesnt really solve any issues and sanis xmaiden r pretty decent to buff cindy

[drowsy hornet]

I think for a player like me who doesn't really mald too hard, I shouldn't really be pulling nikkes who only work for a specific element and require a specific team

[drowsy hornet]

I'll stick her into wishlist, how bout dat

i don't even have her yet

[crisp umbra]

thats up to u 😛

[drowsy hornet]

the reward difference between 3% and 5% is small right?

in terms of actual gems

[crisp umbra]

i forgor

u have time to decide after SR comes out anyways

[drowsy hornet]

hm... I think I'll just stick to sorta my old policy of only pulling nikkes that are very element specific if they end up being really fcking goated

like raven

(she also was collab so I had to get her regardless)

anyway, I hope this MW isn't cancer

hopefully nayuta and the anni pilgrims will be goated

i still did pick up bade tho

she's good in tower and good overall

I can just kick out mari for her, no?

that'd mean I have to manual her :C

bleh

is manualling her the same as manualling bmilk, except u full charge every 5s instead of 6s

I'mma get a metronome to count the seconds

u wut

mari's gonna be a bit homeless I just realized lmao

reset?

I feel like my teams are basically the same regardless of raid, only difference being a few nikkes for elemental coverage and the dps

rrh/dps/siren/thelm/crown
SG team
cindy team
maids/sbs/liter/dps
dkw/grave/rh/dps/support

it works

regardless of if boss hurts or not

usually alice pairs with sbs on maid team, and then I throw like some neutral dps I have with rh

do we know if there will be any banners between collab and anni? assuming collab is next

that's more time to save up gemmies

btw uh

i got selegg hella early

I forgot I had her

she's like xmaiden, but only for water right?

didn't even build her for the water raid that she released with

[bronze bridge]

you just need her skills upgraded

no need to build OLs

she's the xmaiden of water element, but it's fine to not build her

[drowsy hornet]

I got her for collection

cause she's the best console you could ever get

if u know what I mean

[bronze bridge]

ah yes, playing her console while she's riding your joystick huh

[drowsy hornet]

but of course

[rose meteor]

but not the highest

[dusk bay]

do i need to chase a specific line for 1st line?

[lunar basin]

hard to say if attack or crit is better

[rose meteor]

just take what comes first

[dusk bay]

i can consider this piece done and just reroll values

[lunar basin]

only way to tell what's better is for the same account to test both

and she's not pilgrim tier to be wasting rocks like that

[rose meteor]

you can try to find atk/cr/cd

3/7 not bad chances

[lunar basin]

if i had to choose i'd prob take attack

[rose meteor]

#1412398557939367956 message

[dusk bay]

at 3 rocks per roll

with 50 custom locks as well

[fringe falcon]

so these bunnies are meh?

[valid ravine]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion

Third best solo B2 in the game and conditionally highest iron DPS in the game

For 2% non-limiteds, that's incredibly good

[dusk bay]

man the ol system is so ass

i kept asking myself why do I still play this game

[dusk shadow]

still better than the mainstream gacha gear system imo

[south river]

for some reason I don't want to kill myself as much as when I manual alice

[onyx karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008297576698744833/1364070165355958272/hoshino.mp4

[drowsy hornet]

ey das pretty good dmg

[south river]

my boomer hands rot (milk has 13 ammo) after the 1st burst:

• basically, you raw burst with the 1st burst with milk without emb state because it's faster
• after that, hold for 0.5s to give yourself 100+% atk damage and 60+% pierce damage for 40s
  it flows from there, bouncing between keeping up that self-attack buff and pierce buff

[bronze bridge]

it's like comparing 2 giant pile of turds and see which one is more stinky

[south river]

not rec for rolling if you hate manual

I full charge every reload

[fringe falcon]

thanksss

[unique olive]

Ultra, Milk hyper carry

[dusk bay]

[dusk bay]

how many rocks you've spent so far on her

[unique olive]

40

[lunar basin]

[dusk bay]

bruh, i'm at 35 and still lacking so much

[austere raven]