[Milk: Blooming Bunny] New Unit Megathread

[static saffron]

[strange roost]

Too late, I'll do a run to my bed instead

[cold ivy]

I think you should do crown priv or maids for some normal runs

Without infinite ammo min max on milk is crazy

[shy hazel]

[static saffron]

[strange roost]

Going back to Crown / Priv, in 2025?

[cold ivy]

Well it's just for testing

You just want the dps comparison

[strange roost]

I won't do it because I spent way too much rocks to get +270% Ammo for running Milk in an Infinite Ammo comp

[cold ivy]

270??

Wutdahel

[static saffron]

@strange roost can you test her in solo raid ultra please?

[chilly nimbus]

Aight I’ve seen enough. Milk just another lobby unit.

[cold ivy]

[strange roost]

271.62% ammo
And no I can't do anymore run, I must go to work in 3 hours and I didn't even sleep yet

[cold ivy]

All good, gnight

[static saffron]

[summer yoke]

BMilk looks and damages pretty good

No unexpected betrayals of the kit

I scrolled up and it looks like others got a different conclusion

Nah, mine was 1/1/1 lvl0 T9Ms BMilk vs 10/10/10 lvl5 T9Ms SAnis in Tetra Tower

Burst cycles started with SAnis burst, then BMilk. I procced BMilk Embarrassment at combat start. I let BMilk auto.

Conclusion? Outdamaged SAnis vs Iron-weak wave stages (remember, BMilk didn’t have OLs, but I mention this because BMilk got a 10% built in ele and also had resilience cube which gives ele).

I also fought a neutral boss, but BMilk didn’t get to burst, it died. Still did 52m or so vs SAnis’s 225m.

The easy conclusion is she is good in Tetra Tower, I forsee Alice + BMilk coming to it unless nobody invests in her

The tests earlier focused more on vsing boss with other heavy hitters around like RapiOs

Those are the real tests for raiding, no?

What’s wrong with them?

[lunar basin]

https://x.com/sefhi_/status/1965892675238003158

El Shafto 🌺 922/928 (@sefhi_)

Base Milk vs Core 7 Red Hood

Outside how annoying it's to manual her, she's REALLY strong so far. Need to test more

Also stole the pic from Leni, thank you sir <3

X · Sep 10, 2025, 9:38 PM

[summer yoke]

But yeah, give it time before doing any investing

At least if you aren’t the type to boldly go invest and discover the truth

[shy hazel]

80% of rapi

[summer yoke]

I just found out that my tests weren’t good either. SAnis had no resilience cube

That’s bound to negatively affect her dps during her burst

Can’t rerun cleared tower floors, so I’d have to do it shooting range style if I bother to

[steady sapphire]

That's a B1 Rapi though

[summer yoke]

[lunar basin]

that tweet

should be on auto

this is 1 ele 3 ammo 7/7/7/ sr 5 vs 80/8 c6 rh

[chrome coyote]

80% of B1 rapi

[lunar basin]

yeah i think that tweet is auto not manual

[lunar basin]

this rapi is 80/32

[safe sail]

wait what RH does less dmg than rapi b1?

[agile wasp]

Red Hood is a bit dated at this point, so generally yes. Still great for campaign, not so much for bossing or raids.

[lunar basin]

its range

perma core

i would be surprised if rapi didn't do more than rh

[dusk shadow]

I knew it

I KNEW IT

didn't fall for the hype this time

[austere raven]

Auto?

[dusk shadow]

The atk and pierce not triggering together seems like nerf, maybe intended

[austere raven]

Eh

She doesnt have 220% atk and 117% pierce dmg together?

[lunar basin]

yeah nvm the tweet wasn't auto but the rapi 112/53

[unique olive]

Brick 1 Milk burst to get last core respawn

[austere raven]

Nah my laplace can pull the same result

[unique olive]

Milk

[austere raven]

[lunar basin]

its 2:25 clear

[unique olive]

RH

[austere raven]

I know, just check the ratio

Milk vs red

I expect higher for milk

Let me boot my pc

[lunar basin]

i mean

[unique olive]

.

[austere raven]

Man, i shud eat breakfast

[lunar basin]

he said 1 brick burst of milk

and it won't be even burst

[unique olive]

Gatrix doesn't know about this

I can feel him

[lunar basin]

cause its faster clear

[unique olive]

[dusk shadow]

Rh tier is acceptable

[lunar basin]

its not

lol

[dusk shadow]

Means I don't have to invest

Rather build eve

[lunar basin]

milk should be better than rh

and any character being on rh tier in 2025

is sad

[dusk shadow]

Standard dps

[unique olive]

It's annoying when you have to manual Milk and expecting RH still have enough left over ammo when full burst ends to get fastest burst gen

[lunar basin]

lol

[dusk shadow]

She's already over performing for standard dps that aren't accidents

[unique olive]

Also I just woke up and still don't know how to play Milk properly yet

[lunar basin]

its not as hard as it sounded on text

tbh

[dusk shadow]

I heard something about having to charge twice to get embarrassment atk + pierce

[austere raven]

I expect her to be 2x better than red

not slightly

not equal

[unique olive]

[lunar basin]

yes u can't take that ultra clear seriously

its 225 clear

do it in ultra museum

[summer yoke]

So what happened to Bunny Milk being the Mother of All Alice?

[unique olive]

I'll try in Museum then

People's expectation so high in this economy

[dusk shadow]

Make sure buffs are triggering

[unique olive]

I do Museum

Then people said

[dusk shadow]

The atk boost and pierce

[unique olive]

" Sync 782 "

Can't make everyone happy

[lunar basin]

i mean sync doesn't matter

its damage comparison

[austere raven]

do you spam tap her but full charge every 6s?

[lunar basin]

^

[austere raven]

not the full charge +0.5s, just full charge once for the renew buff

[dusk shadow]

You might have to double charge for embarrassment?

[unique olive]

If Milk isn't bursting

[dusk shadow]

Can someone test that

[unique olive]

First full charge to get S222222

then next full charge to get pierce

[dusk shadow]

Hold a charge long, see if both pierce and embarrassment trigger

[summer yoke]

She doesn't fire a shot

[dusk shadow]

Oh

[unique olive]

first reload makes the first pierce buff expired

[summer yoke]

I never thought she'd trigger pierce for activating Embarrassment

[dusk shadow]

Then yeah that makes sense it wouldn't work

[unique olive]

Let me double check that

Cause first reload is very long

[dusk shadow]

Just bad maths then?

[austere raven]

yep, this is how we are supposed to play it

[lunar basin]

yeah

its alot easier watching it then trying figure it out from text

[summer yoke]

Idk why people changed to comparing with RH though

Weren't we supposed to compare to Alice?

[unique olive]

Should I use Rapi B1 here

It might be too easy

[lunar basin]

i mean

they both need to be heavily manual

so....

rh and raven are good comparison, and rapi b1

[summer yoke]

I guess Raven's good. Can compare damage to find out how far behind, equal, or ahead BMilk is compared to a good Raven

[lunar basin]

yeah raven for sure the best to compare to

[summer yoke]

RH I think is wonkier. RH pierces endlessly so multiple parts will make RH skyrocket

You'd say that BMilk also pierces but in reality part of her kit is diverted to AoE distributed dmg

This damage can't hit core, can't pierce

[lunar basin]

that damage is so little tho it doesn't matter

[unique olive]

Is this enough

[summer yoke]

What was your BMilk OLs?

[lunar basin]

he posted it above

[summer yoke]

Is it posted somewhere in above?

[lunar basin]

its 70 vs 90 ele

[summer yoke]

Ok

[unique olive]

I forgot this one was RH burst first

[summer yoke]

If so, looks like BMilk wins vs RH. When piercing an Ultra.

[lunar basin]

ggs

[summer yoke]

But who got to feast on Ultra's parts?

Was it RH or BMilk?

[unique olive]

She's piercer

You can't ask she to do more than Rapi on non core non pierce

[summer yoke]

Ultra parts break so if BMilk did her thing to break them, then RH was basically cheated of the opportunity to outdmg BMilk

[lunar basin]

can u do raven over rh

[junior fulcrum]

Ik they fill diff roles but who's prio between ade and milk

[summer yoke]

Ade. BMilk looks benchable if she's not attacking Iron-weak. BAde is all elements

[lunar basin]

always a support over a niche dps

[unique olive]

no burst gen

You want Milk to hold over 0.5sec to get S1 buff

[lunar basin]

milk is burst gen

[summer yoke]

Though for Tetra Tower, it also looks like BMilk would be excellent.

Just because Tetra Tower is starved for good B3s that are standard pool.

[unique olive]

By doing that she will empty all ammo

[lunar basin]

watch the vid i posted above

milk can solo burst gen

[unique olive]

That's the first Milk burst

[lunar basin]

[unique olive]

What are you gonna do after her burst end

Burst gen with her to get in 2nd full burst

[lunar basin]

can u not always burst gen with her?

[unique olive]

Then full charge 0.5sec during full burst ? No, you will brick her

You can't

First full charge over 0.5 after her burst ends will empty all her ammo

And take ages to reload

But you have to do that to get S1 buff

[lunar basin]

s1 pierce is only full charge

[summer yoke]

If you're in a situation where you have to burst gen with her, that's gimping her. You'd need to be in a position of no choice whatsoever, to want to do that

[lunar basin]

embarrassment is .5

[summer yoke]

If that does happen, just forgo Embarrassment, her role then is burst gen not sheer dmg only.

In actuality, you should be reconsidering the comp like move BMilk to another team or getting burst gen another way.

[austere raven]

yes, 3s reload

[lunar basin]

yes i know that

[unique olive]

then you're just playing her wrong and bricking her own DPS

[shy heath]

Anyone test non ele advantage vs Alice? with and without core

[unique olive]

You chose to use a strong DPS as a battery instead of DPS monster

[summer yoke]

It's not a happy choice indeed

[unique olive]

Meanwhile RH is better as a battery

[tough bough]

So it's over?

[crisp umbra]

full charge and force the reload swap to rh to gen then back

[unique olive]

that's what Im doing

But they're asking Raven over RH

[buoyant summit]

So it seems milk does decent DMG right

[tough bough]

Holrof found dead in a ditch?

[crisp umbra]

oh

[tough bough]

[austere raven]

milk shot deals too low, gotto go to office but I will verify it later

[tough bough]

Shift up emergency nerf again

[unique olive]

Raven is just really bad at Ultra

[tough bough]

Did you actually gain pierce?

[austere raven]

yep

[crisp umbra]

i mean by default raven is already missing 2x dmg off getting pierce comp to pierce on ultra

[tough bough]

[unique olive]

yeah

[crisp umbra]

more than 2x cuz core+bodypierce

[unique olive]

Tollkage asked me to do that

I won't cause it's really bad idea

[lunar basin]

yeah

[shy hazel]

Flavor of the week SR unit

[tough bough]

Red hood binned by a standard unit

[lunar basin]

guess can't compare her to raven really

[shy hazel]

RH is really old tho

its not surprising

[tough bough]

The scarlet killer

But with rh

[summer yoke]

RH wasn't binned, Ultra is unique in that the piercer that inflicts the most while Ultra has vulnerable parts up, especially core, directly deprives the other competing piercing unit of the opportunity to do the same

[crisp umbra]

i mean she will prob have a spot on sr regardless along side rh

rh was like team 4

[summer yoke]

To confirm if RH is "binned", you need to run same slot but different comps, or flip the slots.

RH won't be actually binned, he was just saying that to mean BMilk outdid RH

[crisp umbra]

both benefit off bade

cdr was dwife?

either dwife or rouge doesnt matter

[austere raven]

expected 1 tap shot during burst with lv 7 burst

[tough bough]

I guess it's a wishlist angle

[austere raven]

I have 92% ele and 28% ATK

reality

[tough bough]

Anni selector soon so I need to have at least something to use it on

[austere raven]

something is off but I don't have time to verify

[lunar basin]

cindy gets dropped for milk in the teams that were used last raid for sure

[austere raven]

probably either her ATK buff or pierce dmg buff doesn't work, at all

[summer yoke]

So you calculated 33.8m, but reality shows 11.8m?

[lunar basin]

she bugged or nerfed or miscalcs

[summer yoke]

Where'd the other 22m dmg go

[shy hazel]

miscalcs

[buoyant summit]

Indeed

[crisp umbra]

wat dis

arent u missing a % there at min?

[summer yoke]

You mean it should be 0.1696?

[crisp umbra]

unless she somehow gets to do 17x her dmg somewhere that im not seeing

probably a typo?

[austere raven]

True, i mistyped 0.1696 there

[dusk bay]

[lofty aspen]

Very new (like two weeks), and my only Iron B3s are Red Hood, Sugar, Maxwell, and Julia. Red Hood is the only one with any kind of investment. Is Milk worth pulling or should I just skip?

[summer yoke]

That changes the output from 33.8m to ... 3.7m?

[austere raven]

Then too low

[shy hazel]

Skip

[austere raven]

I dealt 3x that amount right

[shy hazel]

better units to come

[summer yoke]

Yeah, x3

Though still not a match, screenie shows 11.8m, this shows 11.2m

[austere raven]

Oh core shot

[austere raven]

Change 1.5 to 2.5

[unique olive]

Milk burst first

[summer yoke]

Still not a match

[mild pulsar]

Midhood

[austere raven]

The rest is from crown buff

And siren i guess

[lunar basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/940187606124224563/1192404247300542535/RDT_20231231_125103918584534370232921.gif

midhood indeed

[summer yoke]

You mean instead of 33m without Crown+Siren buffs... it's 6m without?

This rabbit fell into its own rabbit hole. RIP BMilk

[mild pulsar]

That's almost exactly 3x difference

[summer yoke]

That's because the right cell is a multiple of 3 of the one to the left

[mild pulsar]

Oops derp

[summer yoke]

Better?

[unique olive]

I will test in neutral

BMilk vs Alice

[summer yoke]

May the best bunny win

[safe badge]

Ultra?

[unique olive]

BMilk first

Alice first

But I dont think this is accurate, can't manual both characters at once

Need more hands

[crisp umbra]

can u give me ss of full stats?

[summer yoke]

Looks decently conclusive, but is that 2:46 meaning you only fought for 14 seconds?

[dusk bay]

he's only testing first burst

[unique olive]

yeah, too lazy to do full match

[summer yoke]

Hehe, Alice looks like she wins in this neutral test. If you check the "didn't burst" dmg of each one, Alice did 79m, BMilk did 52m

Though is that with you doing Embarrassment for BMilk or skipping it?

[unique olive]

I think I skipped

let me retry

[mild pulsar]

I guess skipping it

Cos burst removes it anyway

No point for first burst imo

[unique olive]

Yeah

this is with Emba

[mild pulsar]

So milk=alice is technically correct

[summer yoke]

Okay, so looks like BMilk beats Alice over the long run. Probably. It adds up.

[summer yoke]

But it won't be a whooping, just by a bit

[dusk bay]

2025 unit vs 2022 unit

[summer yoke]

Though that Alice has 813k power

And that BMilk has 704k power

So that "just by a bit" may turn into a "whooping" if BMilk was also 813k power

[unique olive]

talking about neutral

ti's

it's

Alice 31.92% atk C7 vs BMilk 15.88% atk C5

[summer yoke]

So BMilk does beat Alice. But is it worth building a better Iron Alice?

[unique olive]

technically

They are both piercers

And piercers are Fire/Iron only

[summer yoke]

No Harran or SDoro love?

[crisp umbra]

in burst for mine

out of burst with buffs

[unique olive]

it's their weak point and strongest advantage at the same time

[crisp umbra]

all skills 111 260173 base atk no cube

non pierce out of burst difference matches as well

[summer yoke]

Since we say "build Alice, she's strong endgame", it sounds like we also should say "build BMilk, she's strong endgame"

Just different flavored bunny

Iron element, wonky manual chore you have to do

[lunar basin]

wiht one worse playstyle than the other

[crisp umbra]

alice is also free so most new players atleast have something thats not... crow

[summer yoke]

And in Tetra Tower.. you can bring both Alice + BMilk dominion in the tower now

[crisp umbra]

a goal to put in instead of pull more

[unique olive]

Pull Milk for Museum

Free doll kits

[summer yoke]

Yes, and she'd be useful in Ultra Museum, definitely

[crisp umbra]

i mean team 4 is worth 1 copy atleast right

i pulled bready

[summer yoke]

Alright, she's not a bad unit. Idk about for raiding though

As in Solo Raid

[unique olive]

Also UR

[crisp umbra]

if equal RH, RH > cindy in iron ele last time

and rh cindy was team 4

[unique olive]

Remember Mat-H with the fat shield

[lunar basin]

i did 110 pulls didn't get milk

[crisp umbra]

matH also has body+core pierce

[summer yoke]

Yep, makes sense

And adds That can't be AoE'd normally

[lunar basin]

I guess I don't build milk for this raid

[unique olive]

I think I will make video in Museum instead of Interception

[lunar basin]

[unique olive]

The core respawn mechanic makes 1 do less DMG

[crisp umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1412398557939367956/1415441485821640824/image.png?ex=68c3381b&is=68c1e69b&hm=26f94b16b5cda2524fa9a252d8c07c3a05a64bbf354f408e3f11951d5a4a20db& idk if u read btw

apparently sbs dist dmg can kill mw adds now

i asume the same with glass shield

so bmilk/qeq/phantom can as well

@cold ivy @austere raven prob need to see that as well

mechanics change

[summer yoke]

Yeah, someone alerted me to that too. Kinda neat

[crisp umbra]

also was this spam or charge

[verbal hamlet]

Museum?

[crisp umbra]

i forgor museum existed

some1 else tested

[crisp umbra]

asuming ur numbers are correct

within partial charge range

[verbal hamlet]

Are you guys even triggering her Pierce

[verbal hamlet]

you need to let her fully charge an attack, that is not embarassment, enter

[crisp umbra]

[verbal hamlet]

Museum ultra
has permanent core, but not core part

this is good

[crisp umbra]

museum ultra is core part

isnt it?

[unique olive]

core is part

[crisp umbra]

im like 99% sure its core part

[verbal hamlet]

is it now

i play with numbers off
lel

[unique olive]

but i didn't use Destruction

[verbal hamlet]

there no " Core " written like AI anymore for museum

lel

[crisp umbra]

AI ultra is different from all the other ultra

normal ultra is perma core part

ai ultra is no core + breakable core part

like how SB/matH are unbreakable core part

[verbal hamlet]

truly Anomalous

[crisp umbra]

i mean normal indi is also iron not fire right

[lunar basin]

only SW left to powercreep

[crisp umbra]

i think harvester also different?

[verbal hamlet]

even Blacksmith's mid core is corepart

weird kf them

[crisp umbra]

blacksmith mid core is core core

isnt it?

[tough bough]

well at least i got her in 20 pulls so i didn't get scammed for once

midlk

[crisp umbra]

only guns r core part

[verbal hamlet]

Harvester no Core
only AI has core face, not part

[crisp umbra]

ai harvester is like core face -> core body? i think

[verbal hamlet]

I swear u get 2x damage numbers
so core part (?)

[verbal hamlet]

AI harvester is like CB core head

[valid ravine]

No?

[unique olive]

They gave Harvester AI a core cause Water was so dog shit

[valid ravine]

Harvester's head isn't a core

[unique olive]

[valid ravine]

You have to break head to make core appear

[verbal hamlet]

My issue is why did they give core on the face

when there'a a beating Heart in the middle.of the boss
aka
Core of the boss

[crisp umbra]

bs is core part

i never even looked

[unique olive]

technially all Rapture should have core right ?

[crisp umbra]

lore wise or game wise

[unique olive]

But in the gameplay, 69% of them never has a core

[crisp umbra]

?

[unique olive]

So

[crisp umbra]

[verbal hamlet]

Core Dust

[unique olive]

You can't say that to Harvester

[valid ravine]

Core damage too strong

[unique olive]

Yeah

[verbal hamlet]

: )

[crisp umbra]

u remember how they kept talking about gluttony's core?

for so long

and then we fight gluttony

giant wall of poop

no core

[valid ravine]

There is a core! Just under the screen

[verbal hamlet]

You guys, remember how Chatterbox didn't have core, until they retroactively gave it to him because of XLudd's release ?

[crisp umbra]

yes

just like how

[verbal hamlet]

that was wild

[crisp umbra]

mw adds didnt die to lowest def distributed dmg

and now they do

cuz milk

[verbal hamlet]

So MW is not easier ?

even normal Whale?

[crisp umbra]

all MW

not even just MW im pretty sure

[valid ravine]

No, they made both easier

[crisp umbra]

even glasses

[verbal hamlet]

Why is this not the CORE?

[crisp umbra]

some1 will have to test glasses

[valid ravine]

[crisp umbra]

but im pretty sure its also affected

[verbal hamlet]

Glass has always been annoying

for SBS

[crisp umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1412398557939367956/1415441485821640824/image.png?ex=68c3381b&is=68c1e69b&hm=26f94b16b5cda2524fa9a252d8c07c3a05a64bbf354f408e3f11951d5a4a20db&

[verbal hamlet]

not sure how now

[crisp umbra]

unsure if still true

[verbal hamlet]

I dont understand this

[crisp umbra]

likely true

[crisp umbra]

basically hitcount raptures r placed at the bottom of the list

for target selection

[valid ravine]

Basically we can't have situations where distributed damage only deals 1 damage anymore

[crisp umbra]

is what it says

[verbal hamlet]

Which rapture is the one taking fixed damage?

[valid ravine]

unless every unit has it

[verbal hamlet]

Ahhh

[valid ravine]

Hitcount = Fixed damage of 1

[verbal hamlet]

okay

i see

[summer yoke]

Glasses use dmg reduction I think

[verbal hamlet]

Fixed daamge of 1 = the hit count

[valid ravine]

But not sure if applies to Glasses since it technically isn't fixed damage

[summer yoke]

Not fixed dmg

[valid ravine]

It's just dmg reduction ye

[verbal hamlet]

Issue is

[crisp umbra]

MW adds used dmg reduction no?

[verbal hamlet]

when there's Glass on the stage

SBS doesn't

KILL

[summer yoke]

MW adds use fixed dmg

[verbal hamlet]

anything else

[summer yoke]

I didn’t know about that until recently either

[verbal hamlet]

we knew that since first SR, ( MW)

[summer yoke]

I always thought it was heavy dmg reduction

Either way, it was the same outcome, just I thought it had 200% dmg reduction unlike Glasses’ 100%

[valid ravine]

We didn't have damage taken increase debuffs for first raid

so it wasn't clear, technically

Unless datamined, we wouldn't have known until second raid, technically

[verbal hamlet]

No Blanc?

i forgor

[valid ravine]

Blanc was raid 2, Blacksmith

[crisp umbra]

[valid ravine]

Designed to counter its super laser

[verbal hamlet]

I thought we came to that conclusion when " snapshot " burst damage worked

[crisp umbra]

MW adds coded to be extra special

[verbal hamlet]

300 Ammo Liter

stronk

[crisp umbra]

base overloads from 3 years ago

🙂

[austere raven]

spam

[valid ravine]

Wait, is solo raid not this week?

[austere raven]

the main idea is very simple

[shy hazel]

Tuesday

[verbal hamlet]

next week

[shy hazel]

on the 16th

[valid ravine]

Oh

[austere raven]

check theory spam dmg of Milk and Alice

Milk should x2 or x1.7 here

not equal, not smaller

[crisp umbra]

1.8x but im unsure of ur numbers

[verbal hamlet]

Miilk needs tons of fullycharged shots

[crisp umbra]

of what ur ss was

[verbal hamlet]

which includes triggering Embara

and not for embara

[crisp umbra]

leme try my spam i matched 250% cdmg on mine

so its definately not her burst/s1/s2 not working

[austere raven]

the problem is my spam tap Milk is only 15% better than Alice

except Milk has 92% ele

[verbal hamlet]

Each embara is 4s lost
lel

[austere raven]

-_-

[verbal hamlet]

what's the

Auto + Embara baseline damage

[austere raven]

no, during Milk burst vs Alice burst

[verbal hamlet]

Did Milk have Pierce during burst ?

[crisp umbra]

theres definately something wrong with ur numbers above

[unique olive]

does anyone have this PNG

Looks funny enough to make meme

[crisp umbra]

whats the 1.5 here @austere raven?

pierce?

[north lance]

without any context, full burst modifier?

[crisp umbra]

full burst modifier doesnt get multiplied by core

[fringe falcon]

hi guys

[crisp umbra]

but that could be the mistake

[north lance]

this is assuming the shooting range is 0 defense?

[crisp umbra]

yes

[crisp umbra]

context is up here

taking from his numbers in the formula so i think his numbers are off

after fixing his 17x dmg as well

[fringe falcon]

is this just a clickbait? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldk8Zsd-iEw

[crisp umbra]

zxous is always clickbait no?

[north lance]

he doesn't have the best understanding of the game yea

[verbal hamlet]

stop watching Zxous

0 contribution to the game lel

[fringe falcon]

ohh okay

[south river]

blocked that trash a while ago

[crisp umbra]

the only time i remember him was when he made a video dying on the "SSS tier bay god tank" hill

[south river]

a shame only the ogre of the sky is left when it comes to nikkemathtubers

[fringe falcon]

how about gogogacha??

[crisp umbra]

isnt there a jp one?

[lunar basin]

yes

[south river]

There is a jp one yeah

[crisp umbra]

with TTS

[lunar basin]

shit ass video and testing

[south river]

but was referring specifically to the western side

[crisp umbra]

i only know of jp TTS dude and sky but i dont really watch nikke stream/youtube

and tim but idk if he still does nikke much anymore

[austere raven]

1.5 is full burst, 2 is (1+100% pierce dmg)

[fringe falcon]

her animation tho

[valid ravine]

This guy is still making content?

[crisp umbra]

ah

[crisp umbra]

the only thing i can think of is it was a partial charge? recreated from ur formula above

or ur base atk is wrong

[north lance]

shooting range has 100 def

[crisp umbra]

yea but we're looking at 1.87x dmg diff

100 def wont do that

[north lance]

oh wait whats the context again

[crisp umbra]

.

[valid ravine]

Is base attack assuming SR15 doll and +5 gear?

[crisp umbra]

only thing left not accounted for is external buffs from b1/2 and partial charge?

[summer yoke]

In PvE?

[crisp umbra]

yup

[summer yoke]

[willow gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-thinking-gif-13015072109773951737

[valid ravine]

So far just looking like expect RH-tier unless hyper invest

[austere raven]

test yours. Alice full tap one shot vs Milk one tap (104%) during her burst

can be in lock sync

[valid ravine]

I can't test, as I don't have full OL gear on her yet. Out of gear exp

[verbal hamlet]

so the numbers came up short?

[willow gorge]

7/7/7

[drowsy hornet]

only thing good about bmilk is her ass

[valid ravine]

I mean

Even if she's RH tier, she's still good

[drowsy hornet]

which I want on my face, but that's not going to get me 3%

[north lance]

he did say he didn't account for siren and crown

that seems to make sense

[drowsy hornet]

:C

[mild pulsar]

How to differentiate?

[cold ivy]

Check in museum

[crisp umbra]

some1 already did

[drowsy hornet]

the problem is how much dmg I can even get out of her with bad gameplay

[crisp umbra]

u want a vid?

[verbal hamlet]

Core is core
only 1 Damage and says " CORE "

Core part is
Core damage + Body damage , so at least x2 damage

[drowsy hornet]

I would rather not like to sit on the chair tbh

[north lance]

so like what are first thoughts? chinese bros are super doomer about milk and many are saying to skip

[cold ivy]

No

[austere raven]

Skip

[verbal hamlet]

Chinese are already doomed, because of CCP

[cold ivy]

But damn they nerfed mw for the new gen

[drowsy hornet]

ya like manualling and counting seconds in your head?

[valid ravine]

Skip if you don't care about iron-weak raids, maybe?

[cold ivy]

They can't have any original experience at all

[shy hazel]

plausible

[drowsy hornet]

but like iron and fire weak are the 2 easiest raids to do

[verbal hamlet]

Any coreless- Boss is stupid

[drowsy hornet]

I need moar dps

[valid ravine]

wut

[cold ivy]

Why

[verbal hamlet]

even the numbers for Museum,shows

[drowsy hornet]

dps cahracters

[valid ravine]

Iron and Fire are the hardest raids

[cold ivy]

Why does core even matter so much

[drowsy hornet]

huh

[cold ivy]

[verbal hamlet]

They expect you to deal the same damage as Ultra
just to get Step 20

[drowsy hornet]

I have the most b3 units for those tho

[cold ivy]

All that matters is boss mechanics

[shy hazel]

ziz was so hard she crashed your game

[crisp umbra]

scope locked iron weak outside burst

or did u mean in alice burst

[valid ravine]

With iron, if you don't have SW and hands, generally you end up losing massive damage, and with fire, m-kun Alice was the champion of old, and afk Mihara is the champion of now

[drowsy hornet]

my SW is not built

and my hands are slow asf

[verbal hamlet]

Why not use Water weak, to keep same playing field

[drowsy hornet]

idk if chair if hte best idea tho

[valid ravine]

B Milk is now adding to the "needs hands" and potentially m-kun aspect of iron

[drowsy hornet]

welp, she's not even a limited

I'll just save my pulls

[valid ravine]

Meanwhile electric, water, and wind are basically full auto

[drowsy hornet]

... still probably not gonna get shelm with these saved up pulls ngl

[valid ravine]

It's just a test of OL rolls

[drowsy hornet]

i need to save for collab

[crisp umbra]

doesnt matter im just looking at shot per shot diff

[verbal hamlet]

what data are you getting from that now

[crisp umbra]

alice full shot vs milk tap 107%

1.473x diff

[crisp umbra]

idk he asked me to look

[verbal hamlet]

Milk tap is stronger

ok

[austere raven]

Too low

[crisp umbra]

expected diff

1.55x

i did some rounding let me get it a little cleaner

[verbal hamlet]

How much of a discrepancy

with expected numbers

[drowsy hornet]

when velvet playable :C

[crisp umbra]

1.475 vs 1.473

[tough bough]

it's over

[crisp umbra]

close enogh likely due to charge not being exactly 1.07

@austere raven

using base atk of 100 to simulate equal stat

[verbal hamlet]

what if you try 250% full charge
and would the numbers be 100% correct?

[crisp umbra]

compared to his SS? its 1.87x off probably from external buffs

im just comparing ratio of milk shot to alice

did i make a mistake above? i think i caught everything

[mild pulsar]

Her banner gonna be right before anniv

[drowsy hornet]

some people are still saying bmilk is the new best iron dps unit and i'm just confuzed on what they're smoking

[summer yoke]

Are they?

[valid ravine]

loool

[mild pulsar]

Ignoring rapipi lol

[valid ravine]

Better than Rapi is a joke

[summer yoke]

So far I’m just seeing that BMilk does great if RH also does great. Which makes sense to me

[crisp umbra]

is it one of those that their unionmate did the math

and its the best thing since sliced bread

[mild pulsar]

Did the meth

[crisp umbra]

with no work shown

[summer yoke]

But wasn’t RH suffering from depressed damage because too many bosses either weren’t Iron-weak or weren’t favoring piercing?

So BMilk has the same problem

[crisp umbra]

bmilk best iron dps ultra

[summer yoke]

Pretty much. And maybe the upcoming Solo Raid

As usual

[crisp umbra]

just 4x her dmg

and she can be stronger

[summer yoke]

Unfortunately, Snow White and RH are plenty strong at it, and there’s RapiOs too

[crisp umbra]

crap ur right sw is actually stronger ultra cuz part break

strongest mat-H iron dps

[drowsy hornet]

yeah they were like "oh they're so much better than rrh" and then they're pointing to gatrax, snake, and others saying it... not realizing what's going on right now

they're going off of pre-release testing

"testing"

[valid ravine]

Ah yes, compare to B1 Rapi

[drowsy hornet]

isn't b1 rapi still better...

[valid ravine]

Nah

[austere raven]

not, I just put 1.7 as estimate number cuz no 50% ATK from Alice burst = 2x, so add 1.5 I expect 1.7. I guess 1.47 it is

[drowsy hornet]

ah

[crisp umbra]

ya 1.47 looks to be matching sync lock + math

on my sheet

1.34 without that weak iron 10% ele

[valid ravine]

#1412398557939367956 message

[verbal hamlet]

They should just recode part damage to not spill into overdamage

[crisp umbra]

why not just recode sw to suck

[valid ravine]

Never

[crisp umbra]

easier

[summer yoke]

That ship sailed long ago

[valid ravine]

Don't nerf Snow Wife

[verbal hamlet]

It makes more sense logically for there to be no overdamage from some flimsy part, like wings

[crisp umbra]

just divide her burst dmg by 10

[summer yoke]

ShiftUp is basically pretty happy to embrace all the unexpected skill techs

iframe, overspill pierces, pause tech, etc

[crisp umbra]

her and maxwell r the main offenders anyways

[summer yoke]

Even Alice spam

[mild pulsar]

That just kill SW

[summer yoke]

Though they hated macros

[mild pulsar]

If no overkill damage

[drowsy hornet]

gatrax do u mind giving an answer about bmilk's actual dmg in just a few words

I need to quote u

[crisp umbra]

ya dividing anyones dmg by 10 kills the unit im ngl

[valid ravine]

Hm? Modernia wouldn't care

She doesn't burst

[drowsy hornet]

my mod is 10/10/7

[crisp umbra]

yea but u divide her total dmg by 10 basically

so her base gun

is /10

dead unit

worse than crow

[valid ravine]

You said burst dmg tho

[crisp umbra]

sw is like 99% burst dmg

[valid ravine]

Yup

[crisp umbra]

so equiv to divide other nikke by 10

[valid ravine]

Ah, that's fair

[drowsy hornet]

how is bmilk compared to raven or rh?

[crisp umbra]

better than rh

the 2 year old unit

[valid ravine]

Raven not comparable

[crisp umbra]

[valid ravine]

Different comp

[drowsy hornet]

ok, tbh rh really needs multiple pierce

ah

but uhh

is she 60% of rrh b3

or smth

[valid ravine]

They use entirely different supports

[crisp umbra]

milk pierces

[drowsy hornet]

oh

[crisp umbra]

close enough

[mild pulsar]

Fair

[valid ravine]

But yeah, new 2% DPS matching a near 3yo Pilgrim while requiring way more effort to play makes sense to me

[crisp umbra]

i mean lets consider this way.

[mild pulsar]

Midhood going to the elder home

[crisp umbra]

right

[tough bough]

yeah just macro

[crisp umbra]

rapi eve funnel
sw pierce comp

[drowsy hornet]

i still use RH tbh

I don't have very many good dps

[crisp umbra]

are top 1/2 when sw has pierce like prov

right

[drowsy hornet]

so rh is my p5 dps

[valid ravine]

I'm more curious about casual B Milk's DPS output

I imagine she'll lose to RH, but by how much?

[crisp umbra]

after that its raven + off element/maxwell and bmilk rh bade

[valid ravine]

Is she Eve tier?

[drowsy hornet]

a lot lower I presume

[tough bough]

horlof said she's 70% of spam shot with reloads

[drowsy hornet]

wait is eve actually worth using

[valid ravine]

So still better than Eve

[crisp umbra]

does bmilk rh bade beat raven max/helm mihara?

[drowsy hornet]

I finally have some manu pieces for her

[valid ravine]

Yes, because buffer

[tough bough]

Eve exists to stroke rrh

[drowsy hornet]

I see...

[valid ravine]

She'll likely stick with Rapi to increase her damage

[drowsy hornet]

where does raven go then this raid

with sbs on maid?

[valid ravine]

S Rosanna

[crisp umbra]

theres a good chance bmilk rh bade beats raven helm mihara because raven is carrying an offburst

[mild pulsar]

Midhara in sustain comp

[valid ravine]

SBS is dead

[drowsy hornet]

... uhm

[austere raven]

yeah, I underrate 50% ATK from Alice burst. During Burst Milk should be 35% better than Alice. Other burst she's 360% stronger than Alice

[tough bough]

im telling you put Raven with bmilk + sros

[unique olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1zZv1jtDk

[drowsy hornet]

what supports does raven even use tho

[crisp umbra]

so if u really think about it bade bmilk rh is fighting for team 3/4, losing to sw pierce/rapi

[upper bolt]

Soo hows milk

[tough bough]

natty mashing

[crisp umbra]

liter

[drowsy hornet]

hm

[upper bolt]

So far

[unique olive]

btw what is this

[crisp umbra]

how much was cindy rh?

[drowsy hornet]

a metal serving dish

[shy hazel]

Tray

[drowsy hornet]

that u put like drinks on and stuff

[shy hazel]

ye

[tough bough]

she crushed it like my balls

[drowsy hornet]

she's angy

[valid ravine]

Replace Cindy with Ade/B Milk and done

[crisp umbra]

ya so replace bmilk bade rh

is team 3

damage

[drowsy hornet]

could I have a 3% variation of this team pls :C

[unique olive]

the way she holds make it looks like some add-on fashion stuff

[shy hazel]

lmao

[crisp umbra]

because rh was more dmg than cindy

and bmilk is more dmg than rh

[drowsy hornet]

I can't make the entirity of team 2, besides grave

[crisp umbra]

the power of 2 iron dps vs 1

[tough bough]

just keep cindy and put bade bmilk as one of the teams you can't do

the new 3%

[valid ravine]

Basically that

[drowsy hornet]

hold on lemme cook smth

[crisp umbra]

SG also got a decent buff

tove treasure, sdoro

mari free i guess?

[valid ravine]

Mari dead in iron-weak

[crisp umbra]

whos ur sg b2

tove bsoda sdoro drake

[drowsy hornet]

do I gotta separate my maids like that

[valid ravine]

Ah, Mari could go there I guess if healing not needed

[drowsy hornet]

my sbs

still does dmg

in neutral

[crisp umbra]

healing prob not needed for mw

right

[drowsy hornet]

and not a horrible amount

[verbal hamlet]

If they would just gave Tove 3s CDR for her treasure
so we dont need to witness the permanent 2-3s CD for Shotgun teams

[valid ravine]

Depends on how quickly it fires beams/deals DoT, I guess

[verbal hamlet]

Milk + Mast

Redhouuu+Mast

[crisp umbra]

use milkT bsoda

[valid ravine]

Don't worry, Nayuta B2 SG with 7s CDR, pellet amount increase, 15s buffs, and range increase buffs

[verbal hamlet]

Nice
She's " transform " standing animation like Drake/Laplace

[crisp umbra]

i think we kill all the parts for mw no?

i wonder if SG has the damage to pop the core

SG might actually struggle

[drowsy hornet]

btw can I use sanis as an off-burst support

[valid ravine]

They should regenerate, and, if beams are replacing the bombs, that means potentially unavoidable damage until we destroy all parts

[drowsy hornet]

or do I need to be bursting on her

[valid ravine]

S Anis is fine off-burst as a support for Cindy

[crisp umbra]

yea i guess u just destroy them asap

[drowsy hornet]

ok so I was gonna have mihara be the 2nd b3 on my cindy team

[valid ravine]

Like last raid, Cindy comps with 2B had 2B and Cindy bursting with S Anis off-burst

Are you not using Raven?

[crisp umbra]

wym last raid cindy comp had vesti

[drowsy hornet]

... wait a second

[valid ravine]

Yeah, 45% of them

[verbal hamlet]

It seems like the ports are not destroyable

[drowsy hornet]

wait I can fit raven + srosanna onto cindy team no?

[crisp umbra]

the better 45% of them

[valid ravine]

SW in shambles

Wait

[tough bough]

Man

I don't want to use macro

[crisp umbra]

theres no way

theyre giving us

4x dmg pierce

[verbal hamlet]

Says nothing about destroyable ports in the skill kits

[crisp umbra]

the entire fight

[mild pulsar]

SW team 6

[crisp umbra]

i dont see that happening

[tough bough]

Vesti sweep

[valid ravine]

[verbal hamlet]

As in, the ports should act like the body

[valid ravine]

Fake news

[verbal hamlet]

Goody

[crisp umbra]

vesti getting 8x of her 5%

[shy hazel]

common Mackii L

[crisp umbra]

instead of 8x of her 95%

thanks

[valid ravine]

SW stonks return

[crisp umbra]

vesti s2 is actually 🤡

[verbal hamlet]

says nothing about destroyablr ports in the skill kit

[mild pulsar]

Thry give the ports 400% defence

[verbal hamlet]

just pointing that out

[mild pulsar]

Vesti sweep

[crisp umbra]

u still

[tough bough]

Laplace sweep

[crisp umbra]

dont proc s2 per port

[drowsy hornet]

I think I cooked smth but idk if itt's burnt or not

[crisp umbra]

so vesti is still 1x vesti

[mild pulsar]

The actual bait banners

Ziz doesn't even need pure damage

[valid ravine]

[crisp umbra]

didnt top vesti cindy go to like 5b

[valid ravine]

Yeah, but, if you can get #3 in the world, why waste the mats on three units?

[crisp umbra]

actually i wasted mats on 2 units

i built vesti for pvp

so i chose to build eunhwa or 2b

[verbal hamlet]

Oh

Part HPs

[crisp umbra]

i dont see 2b having potential so i built eunhwa

[verbal hamlet]

There's

[crisp umbra]

is that some illegal mines 👀

[valid ravine]

But yeah, Raven gonna eat well with those summon ports

[verbal hamlet]

a Container Hatch

New part

Left and Right

Boss has

[valid ravine]

MORE parts?

[verbal hamlet]

11 parts

LOL

[valid ravine]

[verbal hamlet]

Same old korean sheet

[valid ravine]

The SW diff this raid is going to be huge

[safe sail]

wtf

[valid ravine]

Snow White killing iron raid features since the beginning of the game

[verbal hamlet]

I wonder if the Boss can close the Core too or not

Like Open and close

[safe sail]

I'm glad i dumped rocks on sw and raven instead of trying to build milk

[crisp umbra]

thats not true crown stood her ground pretty well

🙂

the strongest b2 to ever be seen since

[valid ravine]

She dealt more damage than SW?

[safe sail]

Me dumb i cant read those numbers and do quick meth r the parts tanky

[crisp umbra]

her team was pretty close iirc?

considering 2 off element at the time?

[valid ravine]

B Soda actually beat SW as well, so

[verbal hamlet]

No idea
why the part says 2-10 HP

[valid ravine]

But SW was still MVP

for Invidilia

[safe sail]

2% of 6 billion hp seem kinda ?

[crisp umbra]

yea but crown was carrying a rapunzel a volume and 2 off elements

[drowsy hornet]

I think I'm having to cook smth really fcing weird

[valid ravine]

Imagine having to carry Volume's butt

[crisp umbra]

thats heavy

[verbal hamlet]

Motherwhale

has more shields

just for the Rush skill tho

[crisp umbra]

how many rush?

[verbal hamlet]

The other " Shield when first minions " still the same

[crisp umbra]

rush respawns ports right?

[verbal hamlet]

doesnt say
, but normally it's once, right?

[crisp umbra]

normally 1 rush 1 laser shower

after laser shower is elite adds iirc?

[verbal hamlet]

Ports respawn 2 times in Museum, tho
so probably 3x ports

[valid ravine]

Then more ports

[crisp umbra]

heres a real question for u

will we live through laser shower this time?

[verbal hamlet]

Considering this whale has a QTE attack

[crisp umbra]

iirc laser shower was run ender before

[verbal hamlet]

timing should be off?

[valid ravine]

Bombs > Shield + Mobs > Mobs x2 > Rush > Elites > Ports Respawn > Mobs x3 > Laser Shower > Elites > Ports Respawn

[verbal hamlet]

or they're just giving the QTE to the second howling?