[Milk: Blooming Bunny] New Unit Megathread

[cold ivy]

Must pull, no cap

[tough bough]

Don't tell anyone

[austere raven]

same, I feel like cap too

[tough bough]

They will nerf her

[verbal thorn]

Are we winning chat?

[austere raven]

we will see about it tmr

[cold ivy]

Yes

[tough bough]

Delete this

[cold ivy]

+1 week

[verbal thorn]

Nice

[austere raven]

damn

[verbal thorn]

I still have some Tetra gear in the stash

[austere raven]

anyway, base dmg on Auto is this insane means

funneling Milk in Ultra = free win

[cold ivy]

Bunnies continue the tradition of being hyper meta yet again

@unique olive milk is good

[tough bough]

Purge the chat and start doomposting

I don't want another bready

[austere raven]

I believe the number will never exist because Milk will have force animation

force delay to be exact

like A2, but not SBS

Let's ask Lorax about shooting table tmr

and see if there's anything funny

[cold ivy]

Hopefully there isn't, milk is hot I want to pull

[austere raven]

it's not healthy to release a meta banner

make her Vesti level

[cold ivy]

Also all things considered milk in campaign kinda nutty, no?

[austere raven]

[cold ivy]

100+ and 200+ atk

Pierce

[austere raven]

indeed

but it's pretty intense cuz you have to remember charging her every 4s

[cold ivy]

Trony gameplay revival

Didn't we just get a trony type unit

Eunhwa?

[austere raven]

luckily I can just hold Vesti

#pve-team-building message

40% deficit

water weak

1003 I think, cuz 1010 is Nihilister

which once again I beat with 37% deficit

and I used to write: Impossible to beat Nihi over 30% deficit

[cold ivy]

Is there an iron boss that's a wall

[austere raven]

Runway?

[cold ivy]

So no

I guess if we get on in the future milk will bail us out

[austere raven]

Rapi + Milk = rip all iron boss

and with that stacked ATK, you can't even bluff it with 360% def shenanigans too

[cold ivy]

Rapi raven alrdy rip all iron bosses tbh but now even Def mechanic can't save iron weak

[unique olive]

Real?

Ammo required ?

[cold ivy]

Yes she's very reload heavy at low ammo

Probably 12 liner

But high 3 ammo can give you good results still

[unique olive]

Unless she's deserve in team 1

[cold ivy]

We currently think around 90 of rapi with 100 core no parts

With pierce she scales very nicely

But much much better than hood

The rest, you guys test ingame and tell thx

[wild marsh]

stfu

[cold ivy]

I might do it too, she's hot

[austere raven]

her dmg is mostly from basic attack

so pierce only makes it better

skill damage is whatever

don't fall for it

[cold ivy]

It's still decent but yeah

[unique olive]

Wait

If no burst

[wild marsh]

@cold ivy give me a reason why i should pull her in 1 sentence

[cold ivy]

Wont work

Burst damage is much higher

[unique olive]

She does pierce dmg and distributed dmg at the same time ?

Full charge give pierce effect

[cold ivy]

Dist damage is small amount of damage only

Like 10-15% of damage ig

[unique olive]

Im wondering this

Like

In 1 bullet

Does it show pierce and dis at the same time ?

[cold ivy]

Playstyle is 1 full charge, then 6s of spam, then full charge, then 6s of spam

[unique olive]

Or dis overlap

[cold ivy]

During burst it overlaps, during off burst it doesn't overlap

[austere raven]

also you will probably jerk off with her outside her own burst (hold charge and reload for next 118% ATK)

only her own burst

other burst the buff still stays

so you need another burst gen with her

[cold ivy]

During burst:

• 1 Full charge -> spam for 5-6s -> full charge -> spam for remaining burst, and when out of burst as you spam she will force reload

• after force reload, 1 full charge -> spam again until next burst cycle

[unique olive]

So she does 2 type of dmg at the same time ?

Read her S1 and S2

[austere raven]

theory gameplay

• Her burst ends
• Holding charge 1.5s, shoot then reload 3s
• Full charge 1s, tap tap tap over next 4.5s
• Full charge 1s once again
  Repeat till her burst ends

[cold ivy]

Main damage is from basic weapon, like Alice

Imagine if Alice was given like 2k% dist damage, it's like that

But overall milk > Alice as a DPS too

[unique olive]

[cold ivy]

That 2k% dist damage isn't much but it's still there

[unique olive]

U guys sure ?

[austere raven]

think of it like this

[unique olive]

She's not Pil or O-S

[cold ivy]

Skyjlv, me, gatrix, horlof

All came at similar conclusion

Sky says ×2 hood

But we think it's like 1.8 hood

[austere raven]

How to beat x3.5 charge dmg?
We give you 220% ATK and 118% Attack damage, which together makes it 3.2 x 2.18 = 6.97

[cold ivy]

[austere raven]

so yeah, tap tap Milk deals 2x amount of Alice full charge

which tells you a story

[nocturne pike]

[cold ivy]

The only way they can nerf milk is with forcing animation delay

[austere raven]

and her dmg out burst is not even dog shit like Alice

it's insane

I admit I overlooked the tap style

with that amount of bloat buffs, I should have known

[cold ivy]

They tried to give us Asuka but forgot to nerf wep type

Next time give these buffs to mg

[austere raven]

tmr we will have fixed animation

else it will become this

SU: We prevent you from macro
Also SU releases the strongest macro DPS

[nocturne pike]

ready for feedback thread next week about alice 2.0

[cold ivy]

Thanks @grim yarrow for believing in milk

[austere raven]

oh I should have said 2x Alice

make it understandable

[wild marsh]

it cant be that good pls say sike

[sullen stirrup]

Pretty easy for them to add force delay like raven tho?

[unique olive]

Not enough rocks for Milk

[cold ivy]

Yep, can be anything like that

Since most damage is from basics

It basically has the power to dust milk or keep her Alive

[unique olive]

Wait

Can play Ade this UR ?

[cold ivy]

Yes

Ade is a simple creep though

[austere raven]

[cold ivy]

[austere raven]

you still have room for Ade?

Crown Helm
duo maids
Grave

[cold ivy]

Helm who

Crown mast

[austere raven]

stop ntr

[cold ivy]

Anchor is very bad

Not good enough

Also maids give no burst gen

Terrible team

[austere raven]

Anchor

RL is not a joke

[cold ivy]

Maybe for nihilister it's fine

But otherwise no

[sullen stirrup]

M.anchor for burst gen is slow af

[cold ivy]

Yeah but for nihil you can helmT maids

[unique olive]

Mod Fire weak

[sullen stirrup]

Burst gen comes from helmt

[unique olive]

I hope it's SR Mod

[cold ivy]

It is

[austere raven]

then gen faster

[sullen stirrup]

Skill issue here

[unique olive]

Wait

Was I stupid

Her Dis dmg doesnt come from norm atk on skill 1 ? @cold ivy

[austere raven]

we assume you can only trigger it once

every embarassment triggers

[verbal hamlet]

According to the video they provided
it only triggered once, upon entering Buff state

[cold ivy]

Dist damage in skill 1 activates only once per burst (will probably happen during burst charge time)

[austere raven]

that's why the dmg doesn't even matter

[cold ivy]

So that damage is literally irrelevant

[unique olive]

[verbal hamlet]

She's not like bready

[cold ivy]

Bro she's Alice

[verbal hamlet]

Seems like the Distributed damage is just a sprinkled on top of her own stuff

[cold ivy]

Just think of her as Alice

Her normal atk alone is great

[austere raven]

during burst you can't trigger S1 anyway

[cold ivy]

Yes

[austere raven]

she's not Alice

she's Alice powercreep

which is insane

[cold ivy]

Exactly what macki said

[austere raven]

anything Alice can do, Milk can also do

[verbal hamlet]

Can't wait for Shift Up to make Snipers inaccurate if shot before fully charged

[austere raven]

may be not in PVP tho

[verbal hamlet]

Her S2 is just Dorothy's S2, but stronger ( same 2s interval during Burst, that i mean )

[unique olive]

So

She enters battle

Full charge

Force reload

[cold ivy]

Wait, actually, if milk is first burst you should probably full charge

Milk can't be burst gen unit btw

[unique olive]

Her S1 can be removed when bursting only ?

Or via reloading too

[cold ivy]

Only bursting

[unique olive]

She needs to full charge to get pierce effect

[cold ivy]

Yes

You're right actually you need to full charge milk once

[austere raven]

or 40s

[unique olive]

Every 6sec

[cold ivy]

But I think she does that full charged shot anyways, you need to swap over to a unit you can burst gen since you can't spam with milk otherwise she reloads

[unique olive]

Needs to full charge every 6sec

[austere raven]

that's why you must do 1 charge + 24 shots + 1 charge

enough for 6s

[verbal hamlet]

We're assuming that it's that, but the video footage is still ambiguous

[austere raven]

ammo hungry

or 109% reload speed

[verbal hamlet]

Video footage showed " Hearts " ❤️ effect when she entered Embarassment status

and that effect

is not loss when she Bursted

[unique olive]

First full charge at the start of battle and after bursting force reload

[cold ivy]

Yes

Regardless, we can discuss this tomorrow after finding out whether or not she has animation delay or not

[austere raven]

may be bursting her first then

[cold ivy]

Goodnight guys

[verbal hamlet]

Still got time before her banner arrives

[verbal hamlet]

She's gonna be useable within the shooting range, right?

[cold ivy]

No

Need lorax chan to datamine shot table

[verbal hamlet]

Considering Milk's banner is next week

[cold ivy]

Or basically anyone just get us the shot table

[verbal hamlet]

ah right, she's not gonna be for actual testing yet

[long oar]

Past 24 hours watching this thread have been fun lmao. Went from doomer 50% of raven to powercreep Alice

[wraith dawn]

What did I miss about powercreep Alice

92% of Rapi is a wild statement

[austere raven]

I overlook her spam shot

Alice: 350% charge dmg per shot

Milk: 103% charge dmg per shot... with 220% ATK and 118% pierce dmg

together, Milk deals like 700% charge dmg per shot

yeah, 2x Alice

[wraith dawn]

But Alice buffs herself as well

[austere raven]

true

and Milk also deals distribute dmg during her burst as well

AND

her dmg on other burst is like half her burst

while Alice is dog shit 1/4

[wraith dawn]

She does have nice buffs outside of burst, which is unusual, but do you actually continue to manual spam with her after her burst is over?

[vocal furnace]

Wait wait
Does this mean she will be BiS for Stormbringer co-op

[austere raven]

damn

iron + pierce = biS

[austere raven]

yes

[wraith dawn]

There is no way LOL

[austere raven]

I hate this weird ass gameplay

give her fixed delay please

she will become Vesti

[wraith dawn]

If even I cannot be bothered to do that, despite liking manual play, there's no way the majority of people asking "is Milk worth pulling" will do it properly

I also heard something about her embarassment proc outside of burst, I forgot how that goes

[wraith dawn]

Wait, doesn't this actually hurt team DPS since you're supposed to spam with SR off-burst to get to the next burst ASAP?

Who is doing precise manual and chooses not to burst charge when burst ends

[austere raven]

other one of course

Milk can't be burst gen after her own burst

can help a little bit after other burst ends

[wraith dawn]

Yeah but you said "holding charge" there

Doesn't that mean manual Milk control and no firing for 1.5s?

[tough bough]

It hurts DPS if you want to activate embarrassment after her burst because you lose burst charge

Depends on how hard grave goes with her

If you can get into burst instantly you can probably do something like holding charge at the end of her burst so she overcharges and gets a bunch of energy while everyone else gets you to full burst again in one shot

Grave teams get back in burst pretty quick

[wraith dawn]

I don't like this, I only trust my own testing with a build Milk because I have no idea how well I can play

But I'm not gonna build Milk if I don't know if she'll do good damage

[strange parcel]

Bro I’ve never seen so much theory crafting on a nikke before

[wraith dawn]

Trony had this, at the very least

[strange parcel]

And everyone seems to be giving conflicting results. Either broken af or shit

[tough bough]

The people that say she's very good are assuming you play with macro

[wraith dawn]

The math that gives her the good numbers is pretty optimized manual play that I or most people cannot do, that is for sure

[tough bough]

4 shots per second ahh

[austere raven]

yep, the problem starts rising when someone mentioning macro

auto play she's Vesti

[tough bough]

They should give everyone macro to remove p2w like with machine guns

[wraith dawn]

They should stop releasing kits like this

[austere raven]

after her own burst, you must reapply S1

to apply S1, you must hold charge 1.5s (instead of normal 1s)

if you do this, Milk will reload immediately (also S1)

this reload will probably last 3s instead of 2

[tough bough]

If you're worried about burst gen you can explode her during your other B3 burst but then she loses a bunch of damage since she's not dpsing during full burst

[wraith dawn]

Either that plummets your burst charge in most teams or there's some wild mechanics that I'm missing

[tough bough]

But her buffs are so dumb that maybe wasting time during your other B3 isn't bad and her off burst damage makes up for it and it's better than charging her off burst?

[austere raven]

there's no mechanic. Milk is just compensated by bloated ATK buff and pierce dmg which makes her 2x better than Alice

[wraith dawn]

?

Did I not just say that Alice buffs herself, and you said true

[tough bough]

Ok but milk buffs herself twice as hard

[austere raven]

yes, 55% ATK, instant 350% charge dmg

[summer yoke]

I finally looked back and found out that the post I forwarded went nuclear on this chat

[austere raven]

compared to 700% charge dmg and 447% ATK every 2s?

[wraith dawn]

She's drenched in buffs, all supports work poorly on her unless it's enemy damage taken up

[tough bough]

Schizoing out

[wraith dawn]

There are so many considerations before "% of X character"

[austere raven]

yes she scales poorly on most support but her dmg is so big enough even with diluted buff she's still 92% of Rapi

[summer yoke]

Gatrax, is it Milkgod now and demote Vestigod?

[austere raven]

Vesgod is there for PVP and PVE

[tough bough]

Distributed damage unit that goes with srosanna instead of maids

[austere raven]

Milk is bossing

[tough bough]

Ok but what if

Milk PvP meta

[austere raven]

may be in PVE too but it's too complicated to run her

I will have to remember charging her once in a while

may be just hold vesgod instead

I cleared 40% deficit with Vesgod easily

[tough bough]

Just survive until full burst and then start oneshotting everything

[wraith dawn]

Also I have to ask because I'm not sure, is core damage additive or multiplicative with pierce damage buff?

[austere raven]

on Water Weak

multi

different group

pierce dmg belongs to Attack Damage

core dmg belongs to full burst and range bonus

[wraith dawn]

She's gonna drag Naga around, isn't she

[austere raven]

if boss has a core of course

and yes, Ultra is ultra dead to her

[tough bough]

Bready was 90% of sbs too and look what they did to her

[austere raven]

imagine you x2 Alice then put her Iron to fight Ultra

[wraith dawn]

I can't believe iron is really gonna be the element of "top players did these teams but you don't have the hands or patience to play them"

It's SW and BMilk

[austere raven]

it's okay

everything is hypothesis

[tough bough]

Milj isn't even that hard

[austere raven]

tmr we will know

[tough bough]

You just spam shot like usual but halfway through burst you full charge

[austere raven]

they can add a fix delay to her code

we will know it once I get a touch into her value

[wraith dawn]

Is possible

[austere raven]

it's the only way to prevent Milk breaking the dmg chart

just like Vesti can't apply S2 to part

and she can't

[tough bough]

Unable to cover while charging

[austere raven]

I knew she was trouble

[tough bough]

No more fast shoot

[wraith dawn]

Although I think there will be no delay and we'll have the future "BMilk is really good but watch this video to see how she's played"

[austere raven]

I get used to it now

I play ToF

[wraith dawn]

And then like 95% of the playerbase gives up immediately

[austere raven]

at least it's doable bro

remember Phantom the goat?

[wraith dawn]

I kinda do

[austere raven]

pause pause pause

[wraith dawn]

But she can't actually get enough damage to merit that

BMilk is close to Rapi with these numbers but then you pretend you can actually play the game properly

And then my Laplace might still get more damage and I'm there looking, asking how the hell that happened

[vocal furnace]

We ned Alice favourite item NOW

[austere raven]

to be fair Alice has her peak

I don't even know what will be improved on her kit beside giving craps of buffs

may be she will have fixed animation on burst in exchange for good dmg (around 4x hits)

[wraith dawn]

There's no reason for the best normal pool DPS from launch to have a favorite item

[austere raven]

indeed

her pick rate is stupidly high

no way they give her treasure

and we have 0 improvement treasure aka Bay and Poli

[wraith dawn]

And... Milk

[tough bough]

I mean if she's 95% of buffed rapi with buffs you don't have to play her at top efficiency for her to be good

[chilly nimbus]

damn horlof just saved milk from the grave, let's see the datamine from tomorrow to confirm. Can't wait for 2 must pulls before collab fellas

[tough bough]

I don't think most people will struggle with "switch to her during burst play her like Alice but you do one charged shot in the middle and then hold her down until she cums before or during the other character's burst"

You can probably even ignore embarrassment and still be good enough for SR

[strange parcel]

Wait milk released first?

[chilly nimbus]

i can do full charge timing gameplay than break my mouse fingering alice

[strange parcel]

I thought Ade is first

[chilly nimbus]

he's talking about datamine

[austere raven]

who

who mines here

[strange parcel]

[grim yarrow]

[chilly nimbus]

[sullen stirrup]

[grim yarrow]

So my math was roght

I knew investing in milk stocks would pay off

[strange parcel]

Wait a bit for that

[austere raven]

always pull one copy

[strange parcel]

I’m not sure SU can be that dumb to release a character that power creeps Alice x2

[austere raven]

[strange parcel]

On a non-pilgrim banner

[austere raven]

I think they could be like me

"alright, this unit is good on auto"

[strange parcel]

We had so many talks like that. Eg raven being too op because her numbers higher than Mihara etc

[chilly nimbus]

hard power creep and squeeeeze

[grim yarrow]

Alice is day one nikke

About time she got powercrept

[austere raven]

"but boss, if we tap her, what will happen?"

may be I will make a maincord thread

free 300 gems extend MT

[tough bough]

Alice isn't that good if you don't build her

And shift up doesn't play the game

I bet they think Alice is played on auto with crit rate overloads

[crisp umbra]

Shift up is well aware of how Alice is played

They made a macro detection specifically because of how she was played

It's year 3 shift up not year 0

[grim yarrow]

also one thing i found when i was doing milk math

until about 18 ammo its more efficient to just full charge instead of spam

assuming standard reload speed of course

[carmine parcel]

It’s veteran players who forget how bad Alice is when you first get her and haven’t invested.

And then compare new characters when they also haven’t invested in them to their fully optimized Alice.

It’s easy to fall into that trap.

ShiftUp knew this was a problem so Alice’s freebie banner rewards new players with instructions to build her

The additional issue with Strawberry Milk is that it sure seems like her usage changes with her investments. Alice is just always quick shots.

[verbal hamlet]

HOld Charge 1.5s, > No shoot, it forces reload
lel

[verbal hamlet]

They took my suggestion on how to change Alice, and gave it to RH burst

And later they took my suggestion on how to change SNeon, and gave it to Rapipi Burst

[grim yarrow]

well with bmilk as long as you have about 18 ammo or have a bunch of reload speed spam is better than full charge

its just cause spam with low or base ammo is bad cause too much reloading

[crisp umbra]

can some1 look at the video rq

and see if she has a stutter after each shot

like going into cover-> out

i saw it on one shot then the rest without idk if im crazy

[grim yarrow]

maybe its just intern kun firing slowly

[crisp umbra]

firing slowly means u have more cover time

not less

even macro tapping u cant get perma shooting position

u can see alice twitch

[verbal hamlet]

she looks normal tho

[crisp umbra]

does she look normal or does she not have stutter

i have 0 trust for internkun fingers

no stutter is likely vesti/cindy style

[verbal hamlet]

the normal SNiper shooting style

i saw

and get what u mean

must be frame rate

watched the vid in 0.25 speed

[austere raven]

I can confirm she NEVER covers

by this timing, normal SR is under cover

[verbal hamlet]

she covers tho

[austere raven]

only during her burst

which removes S1

actually no

even during her burst

ah nvm

during her burst: Can cover

before burst: No frame cover

https://somewes.com/frame-count/

put your video here

you will see

[verbal hamlet]

even during burst

Internkun has super fast hands

[verbal hamlet]

this is pre-burst

[crisp umbra]

could internkun have just been slow hands like usual

and let go for the one cover i see

i havent seen any partial shots either i think

internkun is usually skill issued

[verbal hamlet]

https://youtu.be/_B7ZzWJok6Y?si=OQoOr5tBVbXe8_WB

even JP vids

she does have more stutter animations

just not facing forward

[austere raven]

bro, it's impossible to not have any animation between shot

with my own eyes I can see it clearly with 4.5 AS Alice and that's the lowest time a hit is recognized

[verbal hamlet]

https://youtu.be/xFIa6xWiw5s?si=2KaLCKmgZ7ICh8z-

try TW one

HMT internkun shot the best

[crisp umbra]

not having any stutter on shots even if a few is an indicator of either forced charge or forced after delay

atleast a small indicator of something there

[verbal hamlet]

just skillful hands

[crisp umbra]

its literally impossible

macro alice and watch her twitch

which is the fastest possible speed already

[verbal hamlet]

Alice has morr front facing animation
while mill has more back facing animation

frames

[austere raven]

11 frames

that's the shortest animation I can give you

[verbal hamlet]

U can tell

[austere raven]

any SR RL will suffer this between shot

[verbal hamlet]

Older SR characters

have more front facing frame animation

while newer omes

wanna show more Ass

[austere raven]

Milk has no covering animation, at all

[verbal hamlet]

so theyre back facing more

[crisp umbra]

twitchy twitchy

every new sr/rl i saw

i can check later but in a work thingy

[tough bough]

18 what

shot per burst?

[grim yarrow]

Ammo per mag

[tough bough]

[grim yarrow]

I forgot to write the ammo part

The first breakpoint is 10 ammo cause it allows her to not have to reload during burst

[tough bough]

i always get cucked on ammo rolls so maybe i can cope and pretend comfy play makes it worth

[grim yarrow]

(with full charge of course)

[tough bough]

sros team doesn't have reload buffs so that's another reason to feed her sros i guess

or bunnies?

actually

[grim yarrow]

Iirc at 10 ammo full charge it's about 70% of the 20 ammo spam fire damage

[tough bough]

well it's okay

it's an excuse to keep eve binned

[grim yarrow]

I'd have to check the calculation again

[tough bough]

i might build raven because she hot

[grim yarrow]

Raven is just consistent

And also requires no micro

[tough bough]

i don't know anything about raven, i just know she does sustained damage

so hopefully you can just auto her

[grim yarrow]

Yes

Just leave her alone and she'll do her thing

[tough bough]

[grim yarrow]

90% of her damage comes from her sust dmg anyways

[tough bough]

maybe you can put raven with bunnies instead of sros

damage taken and sustained damage up are in the same bracket iirc?

so you get -10% on raven but +10% on milj

[crisp umbra]

i made 2 discoveries from future refrence

auto shot RL will always shoot in view mode

so its impossible to hold here

the other thing is she has very few changes in her twitch

[dusk shadow]

so less than 18 shots auto is better? that's some good news at least

I'll just keep her below 18 shots

[austere raven]

but I can see both Ade and Milk have super low, like 1 frame at max, stutter

I guess that's what Shift Up is doing now

don't judge the book by cover

cover the judge by book

[grim yarrow]

Yes

[crisp umbra]

sounds like 4 ele and hope u get some ammo, call it a day

[true shoal]

How both units looking kit wise so far?

[chilly nimbus]

we don't know

ade is a safe must pull

milk is a tossup until her mechanics are confirmed

[noble crown]

inb4 bready'ed

[bright jackal]

tldr: 50% must pull? 50% mid?

[valid ravine]

Skip if you don't care about iron-weak raids

[bright jackal]

i will skip if rapi + rh already enough for 200

[blissful pelican]

Really?

[grim yarrow]

yes, she's mari 2.0

and milk is alice 2.0

[blissful pelican]

I can see it now

She traded Shield busting for bigger numbers

[blissful pelican]

But isn't Milk's kit needed manualing from the looks of it?

[grim yarrow]

yes

[blissful pelican]

And not the braindead carpal tunnel Alice needed type

[grim yarrow]

it involves that too

[hot solstice]

I keep seeing people say that she loses embarrassment when she bursts. That is not true. She becomes immune to embarrassment for 10s. That time limit means that the embarrassment state does not go away.

[grim yarrow]

i tought so too, but aparently immunity in this game also cleanses

i believe it was made immunity instead of just removing the effect so you dont proc it during burst since the activation requirement could still be met

[hot solstice]

Oh! Ok thats believable

[grand raft]

Immunity acting as a cleanse was what got people mad af for indivilia AI cause it would also get rid of mihara DoT

[hot solstice]

Yeah, I thought they changed that a few patches ago.

[proper lintel]

they made mihara's DoT bypass immunity

indivilia is still immune to other debuffs

[dusk bay]

so is she shit or not? better be shit because tetra t9m is running dry

[verbal hamlet]

We will know by today/next week

[blissful pelican]

Wait, we don't know who'll come out first?

[nocturne pike]

ade comes first, but its mostly about verifying if they changed milk's kit during maint or gave her a delay

[blissful pelican]

Ah

[verbal hamlet]

Today: from miners
Next week: from actual testing when she comes out

[blissful pelican]

I see

So Ade is a must pull while Milk still needed testing despite big numbers on her kit

cmiiw

[verbal hamlet]

Ade is indeed a needed one

Milk is still being processes

[blissful pelican]

Alright then, 1 copy it is for Ade

[austere raven]

both Milk and Ade won't have any force animation

at least from what I've read

[blissful pelican]

Force animation? Like SBS and Raven?

But pretty sure you have to Manual Milk during Raids anyway

[somber acorn]

Intern kun doesn't know how to replicate forced animation on snipers

[strange flume]

Alice 2.0 incoming? Praise Horlof the true believer of Milk

[lunar basin]

she should be slightly above alice and under raven with supports

[verbal hamlet]

Probably Alice EX

[austere raven]

I don't think slightly is a correct word

[verbal hamlet]

We will know in 1 week

holding my breath till then

Never Pre-order

[lunar basin]

someone else did math

[austere raven]

yeah I don't understand 1032

[summer yoke]

BMilk beating Alice is scary to me, I don't want more spamclicking snipers

Is that full auto?

[chilly seal]

Thankfully I don't have a problem with staring at Bunny Girl Milk so I CAN utilize her manually

[fathom oriole]

Milk is a stable, better Alice, yes.

Not as ATK dependent.

There is dilution but it takes a lot for non diluted units to catch up to her.

[chilly seal]

Does that mean she will also be SSS tier on the .gg list like Alice?

[fathom oriole]

Yes?

[fathom oriole]

Grave

80% Alice wins

We mathed

[cold ivy]

We who

[fathom oriole]

Breakpoint is 69.4% according to ChatGPT.

In Burst only.

Off Burst Milk wins ofc no drama.

[dusk shadow]

how much dmg loss from calced milk is it to run without too much ammo and thus on full auto

[fathom oriole]

Grave having 80% makes Alice deal more than Milk within Burst.

[fathom oriole]

69×2.5 versus 69×4

If u have 10 ammo, then 1725 versus 69x4x2.5 → reload after 2.5s → repeat

If there is no cover reload animation, then her reload will be 1.4 with Resilience (2s if with Pierce cube)

[dusk shadow]

? so almost half dmg?

[fathom oriole]

Best case scenario

[lunar basin]

milk ammo requirements is gonna be as high or higher than alice

that forced reload will hurt a low ammo milk, or put her with mast

[fathom oriole]

1725 versus 2074 with perfect reload timings + resilience @ 10 ammo, no reload spd comp.

[fathom oriole]

No.

Cus spam needs to reload

[dusk shadow]

how much ammo is she on avg with 2 lines

like 14?

[fathom oriole]

1656 with non basti/resil @ 10 ammo, no reload spd comp

Pierce cube is better for her

Than Resil if paired with reload spd reduce I think

[fathom oriole]

14 or 15

[lunar basin]

pierce cube u'll need alot of ammo

[dusk shadow]

how much % is the dmg output from 14 ammo full auto milk vs whatever the optimal ammo + optimal spam is

[fathom oriole]

Depends on comp

[dusk shadow]

no buff

[fathom oriole]

U need to full charge once every 6 secs

So ideally pre FC before FB begins

If ure not spamming someone else

U may need to manual her all the time

Actually u should

U need ammo

U need burst gen

[lunar basin]

4 ammo 4 ele build

[fathom oriole]

Worst case u spent 2s full charging + 1.4-2s reloading + the rest spamming.

Best case u spend 1s full charging (1st is precharged) + 1.4-2s reloading + the rest spamming.

Since we want to refresh S1 every 6s,

5s is enough so lets just use 5s

Then (5-reload time)*4 is how much ammo u need

[dusk shadow]

so full auto isn't viable at all

[fathom oriole]

3.6 * 4 = 14.4 + 1
3 * 4 = 12 + 1
Are bare minimums

Doesnt include outside reload spd buffs

[lunar basin]

nope

[fathom oriole]

Added + 1 for the full charge itself

U need 3 ammo like Alice

How unsurprising

[dusk shadow]

so how much % is full auto vs that manual

[fathom oriole]

Full auto is bad

Ur question is like Alice full auto vs non full auto

Well Alice is worse cus animation

But same idea

If u think 10 alice is better on auto than manual then Idk

[lunar basin]

skill gap character

[dusk shadow]

then I'll skip her

[lunar basin]

ppl aren't gonna like

[dusk shadow]

I'd rather play alice

[fathom oriole]

Weak

[dusk shadow]

than this trony ass bullshit

[fathom oriole]

Spam both

[lunar basin]

we need more SR units enough with mg comps, more skill gap requirement is needed

[dusk shadow]

yeah next year we should have a unit where you have to click in morse code, and you have to click out an entire sentence worth for omega giga nuke at the end, based on how perfect you did it

[lunar basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087033268702027927/1311576456677167185/dorobitches.gif

[dusk shadow]

randomly generated sentence at the start of each fight ofc

[lunar basin]

full charge spam, not that hard to do basically alice but 1 more step

[fathom oriole]

I want that tbf

It will be fun

Pls type the word HELLO in morse

U have 10 secs

[dusk shadow]

you guys are mentally ill

[fathom oriole]

The game is time frozen as u type

If within 10s u fail, Burst Skill wont deal any dmg

[lunar basin]

i mean this game isn't hard, alice is the only hard nikke to use and 1 more unit with same playstyle isn't a problem

[dusk shadow]

it's way harder than that

alice you spam away, mindless

[fathom oriole]

Why dont we have time freeze skills like in Hoyo tho

[dusk shadow]

muscle memory at a certain point

don't need to pay attention

[fathom oriole]

Make everything freeze like pause screen

[dusk shadow]

maybe watch ammo once in a while

[fathom oriole]

Then play a short cutscene

Or minigame

[dusk shadow]

this shit? 6 seconds? fck off

[fathom oriole]

Oh well

[dusk shadow]

at least for trony you see the pop

[fathom oriole]

NOT LIKE SHIFT UP DEVS ARE THAT TALENTED

We shud have time freeze skills

Followed by OSU

Perfect hits deal 1.0 dmg, early late deal 0.5 dmg, miss deal 0 dmg. 10 circles in a row.

[dusk shadow]

how's her dmg at full auto compared to standard banner dps

is it similar

to units like bready (post nerf ofc) and others

[lunar basin]

one more step added to a nikke to perfect, one skill requirement, unlucky just skill issue problem

[fathom oriole]

Nikke is mostly device and skill issue

Think about it

On phone gg dmg

No chair gg dmg

Bad aim? Gg dmg

Cant pause tech? Gg dmg

[lunar basin]

90% of ppl can't play alice anyways

[fathom oriole]

Its indeed more skill dependent than other games but its also HARDWARE dependent

[lunar basin]

[fathom oriole]

Bad

Probably S tier

SS if u spam

Just get 3 ammo 4 ele

She doesnt need that much atk

Altho atk good

Oh wait

This sounds like Doropity

[dusk shadow]

that's not happening

it took me like over a year before I bit the bullet and actually built alice past minimum

[lunar basin]

nah attk is like prob not good on her crit is prob better

[dusk shadow]

this bitch I'll wait until after 4.0

[fathom oriole]

2 ammo ≈ 4 ele > 3rd ammo > 4 atk

[dusk shadow]

I'm just trusting SU to nerf her to the ground

she better be nerfed to the ground

cancerous playstyle should not be rewarded

[lunar basin]

wanting to nerf her cause u can't play her 😔

[dusk shadow]

yes

alice was a mistake, not a test run

[fathom oriole]

Wait guys

I miscalculated

[austere raven]

[fathom oriole]

Assumed Resil: (3.6 - 1) * 4 + 1 = 10.4 + 1
Assumed non Resil: (3 - 1) * 4 + 1 = 8 + 1
Are bare minimums

She does not need 3 ammo

[vocal furnace]

Guys

Anti cheat got buffed this update

[fathom oriole]

2 ammo ≈ 4 ele > 4 atk

Done.

[fathom oriole]

Wait what

[dusk shadow]

what, they're not even gonna allow ppl to macro this bitch?

[lunar basin]

4 ammo sounds good, atk ols are very wasted on her

[fathom oriole]

Nah 2 ammo is fine

4 ammo is

Wait hang on

U cant

U will reload once in FB anyways

Its not Alice

[austere raven]

then don't reload

[fathom oriole]

Alice needs 4 ammo to avoid reload twice

[austere raven]

26 ammo

[fathom oriole]

[austere raven]

[lunar basin]

well yes

[vocal furnace]

My anti macro safeguard is gone -1 layer as well
Now you're forced to run Nikke in admin

[lunar basin]

u want to only reload once in her burst

is it not just the same as alice?

[fathom oriole]

She needs to full charge once/twice

Best case u prefc but this is not easily done

[lunar basin]

yes full charge into spam

[fathom oriole]

The full charges reduce the number of ammo she needs

By well 3

[lunar basin]

oh ur saying u should not get that much ammo so she reloads and u can re proc s1?

[fathom oriole]

Yes

Well it doesnt matter

U can have 3-4 ammo

[lunar basin]

yeah shouldn't matter

[fathom oriole]

But reloading within buff period is bad

[lunar basin]

[fathom oriole]

Ideally the full charge lands with pierce

So u have to include everything into account

6s is max duration

6s - reload speed - 1s (full charge) = how much u can spam + 1

But the thing is...

Full Burst is 10s.

So it doesnt have to be 6s cycles

It can be 5s!

5s cycles are worse outside FB

[lunar basin]

she has a icon for her s1 right?

[fathom oriole]

I forgot

Oh ye one more thing

If u use her for burst gen

She might not start burst with enuf ammo

Ideally u waste her ammo last FB, then use someone else to spam

[dusk shadow]

now you gotta swap between 2 characters every fight too

awesome

[fathom oriole]

This is the ideal 2 ammo route

If u have 3 ammo

Go spam her

Hang on a second

If u only reload once during FB

Its not even 2 cycles

It's 1.x cycles

That means 3 ammo is needed

Not 2

Shiiiit

7.6s of continuous shooting - 2 full charges

6.6s if bad start

That makes it 30 ammo and 26 ammo respectively

[dusk shadow]

you're getting to the point where you're starting to expect that ppl can spam just the perfect amount of speed accurate down to a tenths of a second

just say as much ammo as you can get on her

[fathom oriole]

If u reload at 3rd second

U will have to reload at 9th second

Thats 6s cycles

Wait hang on

This depends if whether S1 also triggers on the full charge

If the buff is nonactive and u full charge does the full charge get it

[dusk shadow]

yeah ppl will just macro 5-6 sec intervals with the perfect combo

[fathom oriole]

I dont think so

So u have to reload at the 5th second

5s cycles at 5th second means u must finish reloading right at the start of FB

This is hard

2 ammo is guaranteed reload twice I think

[dusk shadow]

I want to see someone try whatever the hell you just cooked up with near perfect accuracy while also burst genning optimally with character swap while also dealing with boss mechanics, for 3 whole minutes

[fathom oriole]

Yeah I think she must reload twice anyway

I dont think there is a way

The 6s cycles are forced

And 6s are not as easy

So my suggestion is as follows

[vocal furnace]

they buffed anticheat

[fathom oriole]

2 ammo ≈ 4 ele > 1 ammo ≈ 4 atk

[dusk shadow]

watch it not do anything different

isn't the current anti cheat simply useless if you just spam lower than threshold

[fathom oriole]

2 ammo ≈ 4 ele > 3rd ammo ≈ 4 atk

[dusk shadow]

and it always catches you if you spam faster, regardless if actual manual or macro

[fathom oriole]

@dusk shadow funny thing

Ade is also Trony gameplay

[dusk shadow]

except she's not expected to be dps

also she has ass

if I want to be lazy I can just switch off her during burst

I'm not the type of person to spam mari in cindy comp during burst

I'm actually normal

if SU actually intends to normalize trony ass gameplay across the board, I'll simply quit the next big trony-like dps appears, I'm here for nikke, not carpal tunnel

[summer yoke]

Sounds like trolling

If it got buffed, we’ll see ban waves as it accidentally catches players or successfully catch sneaky players

So just play it safe if you’re worried

See if the flames erupt in maincord

And here

[vocal furnace]

no they actually did it this patch

[vocal furnace]

[dusk shadow]

One of you raiding freaks must have made it to SU executive team

Better anti-cheat + most complex manual character ever by far (trony doesn't count)

Just turn top 200 into a typing competition, but using clicks for Morse code

[summer yoke]

Lacking details saying “better anti cheat” is basically saying, “don’t go outside your house, it’s scarier now”

Details

[dusk shadow]

My guess is it's for actual cheats

You know, the ppl that make it to top 50 with 1 team

I doubt macro detector will be changed

[austere raven]

we can always have room for certain timing tap

like Sanhua in wuwa

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136882973233397790/1261249860695363584/60d7be101d718d741d29b56c7836de19f9c25bfa499a1e6e25aadf4c69572c05.gif

or this

[dusk shadow]

I hope whoever came up with the 6 sec steps on Legos every time they go to the bathroom at night

Buff it to 12, then I'll hate her only half as much

[verbal hamlet]

Can't just have Free Pierce on every SR now, can we?

[chilly seal]

I am still confused about what Pierce actually does.

[summer yoke]

It pierces targets

If the pipe | was a target, then the arrow is a bullet from a psychotic Alice:
—-|—-|—-|—>

Alice just shot 3 enemies. Pierced them.

So, Rabbit Milk. She doesn’t have piercing shots to begin with.

Once she fires a fully charged shot, she gains piercing effect for 6s and all of her shots during will pierce.

[summer yoke]

Be confused no more!

[chilly seal]

So Pierce is just hitting through raptures in the back? Why is that so important? And why is it shown in percentage?

[valid ravine]

Take Snow White, the notorious big nuke piercer

Hit just body and it's 1x

Hit body + two parts and now it's 3x

Hit Heavy Metal's like 8 parts at beginning and it's 9x

That's why pierce is important for bossing

You're just multiplying damage by number of times the each shot hits

It's also why piercers are usually garbage against no core no parts potato bosses like Gluttony

It's shown in percentage because the damage is increased by that % if the shot pierces

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[mild pulsar]

% is a damage buff if you shot has the piercing characteristic. sniper rifles do not have pierce on default, so those that have skills that changes their shots to piercing gets the piercing dmg buff%

[wild marsh]

certain bosses have their body parts stacked on top of eachother either in front or behind the thing you are hitting, piercing them means you are hitting them for multiple instances in 1 shot. Certain bosses also have covered core, unless you pierce them, like Kraken in AI

[summer yoke]

It’s also important in campaign, the game likes to obstruct your line of fire on many stages

[mild pulsar]

Basically, if there's multiple targettable parts, they can be damaged all at once in a single pierce shot if the position is correct. This means for a single shot you are dealing many times more damage

[summer yoke]

Big fat tanky shielding Rapture dancing in front of your team stopping you from eliminating important threats

[valid ravine]

Very fast moment here, but the SW shot goes through core, body, AND tail

[blissful pelican]

Also doesn't pierce give you additional burst gen since it counts as another hit?

[valid ravine]

And yeah, in campaign pierce is broken because ignore shields and hit multiple targets

[blissful pelican]

That's why RH manual spam can fill your burst gauge real fast

[mild pulsar]

Yes it does iirc

[summer yoke]

Or even a miniboss descending into the stage … behind its brother who is identical and is literally floating in front of the miniboss body blocking your shots like it was a bodyguard

[valid ravine]

It's just depth-based AoE, really

Rather than horizontal AoE of explosions

[mild pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/railgun-railgun-projectile-railgun-test-railgun-demonstration-railgun-ballistics-gif-19417087

Each wall is a rapture/part

[chilly seal]

That's crazy.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968098119717904433/1185581492185858141/MilkWalk.gif

Can't wait for Bunny Girl Milk's chibi model to drop

[chilly seal]

I hope when the #community-votes on her drop, it will say "MLB if you're Dino"

[wraith dawn]

MLB if you've been training your right hand

[tough bough]

At least attack rolls have barely any value so gearing is easier

Oh no my 40% attack top of my 220% buff

[summer yoke]

Isn't that still a 18% dmg increase?

ATK is the foundation of all damage calculations, so...

[valid ravine]

18% for how many rocks to 12/12?

Might as well just core max

[lunar basin]

think crit might come out to be better

[tough bough]

I mean if there's no core maybe?

But you're probably still fine with just ele and ammo since they're unique multipliers so they're bigger

And most people are going to see that auto milk is 70% value and just do that instead

[chilly seal]

Is Bunny Ade going to be needed in a team with Bunny Milk?

[valid ravine]

Milk doesn't particularly need Ade to function mechanically, but they have a ton of synergy

[valid harness]

is milk good

[chilly seal]

Base Milk sadly not, not even with her treasure, but I always use her in normal campaign, tetra tower, solo raid, simulation room, lost sector, co-op and arena anyway

However Bunny Girl Milk seems to reward manual play greatly.

[verbal hamlet]

Good source of protein, calcium, and vitamin D

[grim yarrow]

From my calc if you have 20 ammo on her spamming at a 3.5 rate it takes roughly 6 seconds to empty the mag, which is also the pierce time, so just full charge after each reload

[grim yarrow]

They called me a madman

[grim yarrow]

Ade is good with her but she's not her best support

[small mural]

Manual malders dream

[valid ravine]

Crown is everyone's best support

[grim yarrow]

Is that still the case with milk?

[valid ravine]

Why would Milk be any different?

[grim yarrow]

because she doesnt scale with the typical buffs as much as other units

[tough bough]

yeah but the damage taken supports aren't very good

ancient unit and summer rosanna

[valid ravine]

Which means that basically all supports are less effective for Milk

[subtle lantern]

Well dmg taken still good

Makes her more flexible tho as she can go in any team without as much of a dps loss

[valid ravine]

True, but unless she can steal S Helm from SW, that leaves S Rosanna who should be with Raven and otherwise has no synergy, and Blanc, who tends to sit on T4/T5

[subtle lantern]

Laplace

[valid ravine]

Crown is by far better than both, even diluted

Tho in SR, Crown will likely be with units that benefit from her more

[tough bough]

i don't use SW so i can give her shelm for free

[verbal hamlet]

Not quite

As Milk already has her own self buffs

any buffs would just get her further in strength

as would any other Attackers

[grim yarrow]

Blanc isn't ancient she's brand new! I remember her banner like it was yesterday 👴

[cold ivy]

The inherent problem is just that she has no buffers

Maybe just reload buff her and it is what it is

[chilly seal]

Blanc had a banner?

[grim yarrow]

yes?

[drowsy hornet]

bmilk have any use?

it seems like she does distributed dmg

i could pair her with sbs on the maids team, no?

[drowsy hornet]

wait how so?

doesn't the AI just do full charge regardless

[chilly seal]

Yes, but it won't hold the full charge for half a second, it instantly lets go.

[drowsy hornet]

oh

[chilly seal]

You need to be the one holding the full charge for longer than necessary to trigger her embarrassment.

[drowsy hornet]

hmm ok ok

but do I need to pair her with bade

I was gonna slap her with sbs on the maids team

as they buff distributed dmg

[chilly seal]

A lot of people seem to recommend that approach.

[drowsy hornet]

and then use bade elsewhere

[drowsy hornet]

oki good, cause my alice is too terrible to be a worthy buff for sbs lmao

but uhh... yeah both bunnies are good, yes?

I should get 1 of each

i need more iron dps

[chilly seal]

She's gonna want Resi for quicker reload though, right?

[grim yarrow]

im not sure if it works with her special reload cause it says it has fixed speed

if you're going for spam playstyle resi is good

if you're gonna let her auto after doing the special shot you dont need resi

pierce cube is probably better

[drowsy hornet]

yeah it's like wasuka's reload

u can't speed it up

[drowsy hornet]

I'm still probably gonna run resil just cause it's my highest lvl cube

[chilly seal]

I thought it meant the overall reload speed gets halved for that single shot. Otherwise wouldn't it say "Reload time set to 4 seconds" or something?

[crisp umbra]

That's exactly what it says, "fixed"

[drowsy hornet]

would the SR team be liked sbs/bmilk/maids/liter?

[valid ravine]

No

Unless incoming damage an issue, maids mostly likely won't be together

Quick draft of what I imagine teams to look like would be:

• Siren/Crown/Rapi/Eve/M Mast
• Miranda/Grave/SW/Maxwell/S Helm
• Liter/S Rosanna/Raven/HelmT/Mihara
• DKW/B Ade/B Milk/RH/X Lud
• Tove/Leona/B Soda/S Doro/Drake