[Ade: Agent Bunny] New Unit Megathread

[jaunty void]

I think they meant for Cindy and grave to be together

But sanis say no

[errant island]

S Anis has no say

She's in different team

For UR, you'd want Grave for fire or iron anyway

[jaunty void]

My xmaiden is ass

[jaunty void]

But my absolute team

[errant island]

Who?

I feel like that's undervaluing Mari's personal damage, but I also can't be bothered to do the math

[twin aspen]

S Doro being pierce makes her great for S Doro
I'm sorry what

[errant island]

Oh

Thanks

Terrible wording on my part. Edited now

[karmic tapir]

Is kicked out of tetra tower now

Replaced by ade

Im pretty sure she is

Unless stage is glasses ig

[short jay]

can use Milk to deal with Glass

[spark smelt]

Milk 🍼 treasure

[coral wasp]

is ade good

[dawn trellis]

Yes

Must pull for UR and SR

Great bossing unit, great option for tetra tower as well

She is a must pull

[coral wasp]

no gems

[wind ingot]

millage 🙂

[dawn trellis]

If you are competitive in any sense, pull

If you are casual campaigner or pvper then skip

[dawn trellis]

No

[coral wasp]

i already used mileage on christmas anne

i need vesti as well

[dawn trellis]

Ade will 100% have solid use in UR going forward until she gets crept

Vesti mid skip her

[errant island]

Mileage definitely not worth

Mileage is for inevitable double Pilgrim/Overspec at anni

[slim gazelle]

how’s ade burst gen in pvp

standard sniper gen?

[ionic rose]

But I already...

[valid portal]

so what OL Rolls does she want

and does she benefit from chargespeed?

[plain zephyr]

Not enough to warrant a rerolling for chargespeed

[errant island]

Don't waste rocks on rolls

[plain zephyr]

4 Rocks for her

that's enough

[errant island]

Skill mats + doll if you want to maximize Caster's ATK buffs

All of her potential is basically in her kit, so OL rolls are unnecessary

[stable shell]

Anyone has a Ade vs Mari comparison using the electric team?

Debating on getting her to 10/10/10 for UR right now

[valid portal]

Instructions not clear

wasted 55 rocks on her

[sharp badger]

True, her buffs also benefits SDoro when the boss has a core

[plain zephyr]

when

[sharp badger]

Hey man, I don't see Glutton nor Ziz sporting one

[plain zephyr]

Even this UR, no Core

• MotherWhale doesnt exhibit permanent core either

[errant island]

Thermite has a core, and Modernia has a regenerating core

Nihilister also has core in Phase 2

[short jay]

Sin did

Ade wins even with Mari 40% ele

because at the end of the day

B2 dmg is whatever

[stable shell]

Guess I will 10/10/10 inmediatly

[short jay]

it's like 19.6 vs 20.1b

[stable shell]

In the endgame scene every little extra % matters

[short jay]

personal supporter dmg barely matters now

[errant island]

So 100% ele Mari would win

although 100% ele support is basically bricked

[vivid zephyr]

Mari can be better if her aoe is useful to handle a mechanic of the boss

whether that's destructible projectiles or mobs

[noble zealot]

Why my luck is so bad lately

[jaunty void]

its so over

well at least we should only get collab next

[dawn trellis]

Not if you tryhard SR

or pvo

[ionic rose]

i retired man

[dawn trellis]

[ionic rose]

you still ignore my DM man

[dawn trellis]

wtf I'm sorry

[devout solstice]

So Ade must pulled, right?

[stable shell]

Yes

[dawn trellis]

For bossing

[devout solstice]

what is her l2d?

[oak bluff]

Whats the tldr folks

Skip or worth a copy

[vagrant dagger]

meta, go get 1 copy

out of manu gear?

did 7/7/10 first then 10/10/10 on none pierce team i saw like no dmg increase

didnt tried pierce team

yes really

just eletric team in practice range

[dire delta]

mari also gets a reload speed buff cause of sanis so that's nice in electric teams

[oak bluff]

Is she a singular unit, or does her kit benefit from having somebody of the same squad etc

[vagrant dagger]

[vagrant dagger]

she is single

did u even read kit before u ask?

[celest oriole]

nobody does

[slim veldt]

She worth ol? If so, what stats?

[dawn trellis]

Yes, need ammo too if you can get it

[slim veldt]

Ok

[spark smelt]

Grave but sniper

[vagrant dagger]

15 rolls, 4 times ele 0 times ammo

[urban skiff]

I miss the pinned pulling opinion we used to have for each of these threads

[dawn trellis]

Hmm I forgot what I used to write, wait let me read one of the old ones for the format

[dense rain]

Only did 1 reroll

[ionic rose]

@dawn trellis man these bunnies putting me on my knees

Huge-ge

[dawn trellis]

Should You Pull / Is She Good

The simple answer is:
"Yes, she is good." Bunny Ade is a must pull unit for players who want to improve their Solo Raid and Union Raid performance.

Dupes are not necessary at any level of competitiveness in my opinion, but getting 1-2 ammo, or even 3 ammo for comfort, on her OL gear might be a thing (for burst gen reasons).

I do not recommend using mileage on Ade, especially if you have Mari already built since Ade isn't a huge improvement on her, but rather a small and still replaceable powercreep.

Why is she good?

Bunny Ade is a simple B2 buffer unit. Her purpose is to increase her team's damage, and her values of the buffs she provides are very good. They compete with known meta B2 buffers, specifically Mari and Grave, who provide the same buffs as Ade, with just different values and playstyle.

While Mari and Grave provide straightforward buffs with no activation required for anything (apart from Mari's pierce dmg buff requiring a core to be present, but it's still not a mechanical thing we can control), Ade needs some careful maintenance of stacks when spamming shots for burst gen by mixing some full charged shots in between in order to keep providing the team with all of the buffs she has at her disposal, so keep that in mind when playing with her.

Comparatively, she's better than Mari, and only situationally better than Grave. Grave is a better buffer for pierce units, while Ade is a better buffer for non-pierce units.

Ideally, pull a copy for bossing reasons. But if you don't care about raids, she's only waifu material.

[dawn trellis]

Tig bits and auge hss

[ionic rose]

Awooga wooga

[dire delta]

what's bade's skill invest tho

[orchid tapir]

until you take 260 to get one rate up stfu

im on 500 pulls with 1 rate up at 260

[plain widget]

So I'm guessing Ade needs the usual Attack/Elemental/and Ammo for rolls, correct?

[dire delta]

is bade like... 7/4/10?

her s2 only buffs herself

[orchid tapir]

why would you roll for subs…

just 1 rock per gear

[plain widget]

Okay?

[warm grail]

[dire delta]

bade invest?

[dire delta]

DAMN

whale

[plain widget]

Would Ade be better than M. Mast in bosses? That pierce damage does seem extremely nice.

[warm grail]

let's ignore 1,1b mari dmg

also good pump for Raven in no core no parts iron weak boss

[slow field]

do i overload ade? and skill prio?

nvm

i read

[dense rain]

Wth that's actually insane

[warm grail]

Ikr

Idk why rapi is not gaining DMG there

Well my plan is to use Ade with iron girls

I'll rarely use Ade in electric

[sullen flax]

seems more a sidegrade, no? U would probably still use mari with ele and ade with the other teams

[warm grail]

Exactly is not a big stonk to replace mari

Of course if you don't have Mari that's another story

[sullen flax]

i think ill wishlist her and if i dont get her by jan, just stepup on newyears

i did 30 pulls + 50 on sanis and got shit all, seems like shiftup wants me to waste all my pulls

[slate lark]

Thx

[merry parrot]

[vale river]

Hmm I just got grave last week but maybe I’ll pull for Bade

[sullen flax]

im just curious, but can you try with mari here as well?

[vale river]

I heard grave was better for MG but it looks like Bade is buffing just as good as grave for MG

Is she mainly only used for SR and UR?

[merry parrot]

sure

[upbeat river]

Ade finally gets deserved greatness

[bitter lily]

next up, a b2 that gives 65% attack damage!

[warm grail]

Im watching a problem

Raven dmg improve bu not rapi one

What happened there

[warm grail]

On this case Raven gains +2,5b

But rapi zero

All atk dmg buffs should pump rapiH dmg

[upbeat river]

I have an idea what happened

[warm grail]

I'm all ears

[upbeat river]

Grave was perhaps stealing MirandaT buff Not the critrate one, just she was one of two highest ATK

When Ade was swapped in, Raven got the buff at last

[warm grail]

No

[upbeat river]

That perfectly explains how RapiOs seems like no dmg change, yet Raven got so much

[warm grail]

Is not only that case

Happened with me too

Grave is not stealing anything

[warm grail]

Look here

[oak bluff]

Skimmed

[rare lintel]

Waste of Grave.

[warm grail]

Raven improved but rapi not

[oak bluff]

If I read it I'd prob deduce it's already good myself tbf

[rare lintel]

Grave without Liter/Volume is throwing.

Change all Miranda to Liter.

Grave will win.

Maybe.

Or at least the same.

Grave's strength is 11.8s rotations.

Not 14s.

[upbeat river]

I did see a 300m dmg gain for Rapi, so I guess there’s something going on

[warm grail]

Kinda weird maybe something with Ade's kit

The improvement of raven is insane

[jaunty void]

Her attack buff is higher and you're wasting grave's burst gen

Could also be shelm jank

If she dropped her debuff while the boss was jumping or something and had to restack it you'd have a big difference too

Actually

Grave steal buff

[last stump]

one copy right?

[jaunty void]

Grave will always be buffed when full burst starts and if when enter full burst effects get resolved left to right, Miranda will pick her buff target before Raven gets her own attack buff, so grave will get priority even with her supporter stats

Try putting Raven before Miranda and see if she still does poo damage

[dawn trellis]

10/10/10

2-3 ammo on OL

[rare lintel]

Why 3

[dawn trellis]

Just cuz the burst gen is annoying

Need to full charge smtimes

[dire delta]

... lvl 10 s2???

wut

how so

that atk buff to herself shouldn't affect her s1 no? cause her s1 is caster's atk, not final atk

[dawn trellis]

7/7/10 -> 101010 if you want
Depends how much you rate noir's S1 right

Perma atk and perma pierce damage buff is nice

[dire delta]

am i reading her kit wrong or smth...

ohhhh.. pierce dmg buff

[dire delta]

I was thinking about using bade on non-pierce teams because grave is a much better buffer for them, no?

[dawn trellis]

Doesn't mean ade goes unused though right

[dire delta]

cause like I was thinking bade could fit onto like no-healer SG team and cindy team for elemental QTE's

[dawn trellis]

Crown-mast
Grave
Ade

For UR

[rare lintel]

Technically yes but also no.

[dawn trellis]

Also it's highly situational tbh

[dire delta]

oh right, UR... that's not really much of my prio tbh

[rare lintel]

Grave gives burst gen buff.

[dawn trellis]

Is your prio SR?

[dire delta]

after campaign, yes

[dawn trellis]

Hmm ok then grave is slightly better than Ade I guess

[rare lintel]

If no burst gen is needed, then Ade pulls ahead.

[dire delta]

cause like for this upcoming SR, assuming it's iron weak... wouldn't shelm also fight for b2 burst slot against bade?

[dawn trellis]

No

[dire delta]

ok so cindy team is perma-stuck with mari lmao

[dawn trellis]

Shelm is off burst slot

[dire delta]

OH

[dawn trellis]

No, Mari dies now

[dire delta]

... wut

[dawn trellis]

Mari replaced directly by ade

[dire delta]

no way...

[sharp badger]

Unless it's Elec Raid or projectile spam boss

Otherwise, it's BAde all the time

[dawn trellis]

So in electric team, you will use

Cindy Rouge S.Anis Ade Maiden

[dire delta]

ade was primarily going to go on my SG team if I don't need a healer

[rare lintel]

No.

[dire delta]

cause I don't have leona built

I have her, just not built

ok....

[rare lintel]

If Ade is not used outside Cindy, Ade is used with Cindy.

[dire delta]

so say if the next SR was iron, would my teams be like:

• rrh/raven/siren/thelm/crown
• sbs/bmilk/maids/liter
• cindy/rouge/sanis/bade/mihara
• sdoro/bsoda/tdrake/(ig leona?)/tove
• dkw/grave/rh/alice/mod

[rare lintel]

U can

[dire delta]

ik some people put crown with one of the maids but I kinda don't like doing that as much

bmilk is really good right?

more than just iron-weak

wait cindy team has no pierce

[rare lintel]

I think Cindy Rouge BMilk BAde will be used

[dire delta]

.. huh

[rare lintel]

Cindy team needs Iron B2

There is no good Iron B2

[dire delta]

oh right

[rare lintel]

Nor good flex Iron B3 for her

So what ends up happening is like TVesti

[dire delta]

ig I'll just throw mihara as the 5th unit

or mod

[rare lintel]

Both BMilk and BAde go there

[dire delta]

huh...

interesting

[rare lintel]

Either Mihara or Raven

[dire delta]

wait so id bade is perma-stuck with cindy, is her s2 for bmilk?

[dire delta]

oh I put raven with rrh as p1

she's my 2nd best iron dps for me

my alice is complete dogsh8t btw, she's a glorified buffer

ok I have bade anyways

[dire delta]

right?

[rare lintel]

No she will go something like

Siren Crown RRH Eve MastM

[dire delta]

oh....

yeah that's not gonna be possible for me

I have 0 manu pieces

for eve

[jaunty void]

bmilk good teammate for the neutral cindy team because she's so bloated she doesn't care about rouge buffs being mid for her

[dire delta]

I can't use her, better off xlud

[dire delta]

bloated in terms of buffs?

OH

yeah

[rare lintel]

U can also do ToveTr BAde BMilk Doropity as cops

[dire delta]

why does she have fcking.. +340% atk

[jaunty void]

h-heh yeah...

[dire delta]

what the hell

[sharp badger]

It's a monkey's paw

In exchange for that, you have to work manually with her, goy

[jaunty void]

bmilk flexes into any team because you can't buff her

shotgun milk

[dire delta]

yeah I was like bade can go on either team sorta, but again I don't see where her s2 really comes into place

[sharp badger]

Is that even a SG team at that point?

[dire delta]

neither cindy nor sdoro teams have pierce iirc

[sharp badger]

Wouldn't that brick the SG comp?

[dire delta]

WAT

[sharp badger]

Time yourself to full charge every 6s or so

Or her embarrassed buff went away

[dire delta]

oh

right

u gotta hold it

it's fine for either team tbh

I don't manual anybody else besides the b2 on either team

doesn't most of bmilk's dmg come from her distributed dmg anyway

like I'd see bade's 10/10/10 coming into play if she wasn't basically glued to 2 teams permanently, neither of which pierce very much

maybe 7/7/10 will do fine as budget

[rare lintel]

220%

110% doesnt stack

[dire delta]

oh

bruh :C

probably still resil?

for bade do u do like triple quick charge into full charge

idk how many u can fit

oh wait a fcking second

sdoro has pierce, ok I'm stoobid lmao

[dire delta]

just for this upcoming raid tho right? or forever

cause that pierce buff for sdoro looks pretty spicy ngl

[short jay]

15% ?

[dire delta]

better than nothing

[short jay]

damn

[dire delta]

mmmmmm

maybe.. maybe not then

mayhaps just 7/4/10 for budget

[short jay]

[dire delta]

ehhh.... idk I'm conflicted

either/or works

s2 lowest prio, s1 medium prio, burst higher prio

[short jay]

I give you better

4/4/10

just like Grave

who cares about her personal damage

[dire delta]

7/7/10 seems to be a good spot for me to land tbh, purple books and plentiful and it still buffs, if just minor

[short jay]

can you afford 10/10/10 Lait?

wrong word

it's been a while since I use francais

[dire delta]

lait?

snake should post the skill investment thingy soon

or at least pin it

[short jay]

Milk is 10/10/10 12/12 unit

[dire delta]

be like 4/4/7 -> 7/7/10 -> 10/10/10

[short jay]

that's why I said, 4/4/10 Ade. Unless you can afford both, else Milk takes higher prio in skill

[dire delta]

oh I can afford to 10/10/10 bmilk

I'm just being a bit frugal

I'm low on burst books, that's all

it's the gold books I worry about

[vale river]

Where would Ade be rated in general priority for B2?

Crown is obviously number 1 since she’s good in everything. Then I feel like the maids and tiga should be somewhere up there too since I heard tiga is the second best for campaign and maids are second best for bossing. I also feel like grave should be up there since she’s a great solo B2.

Would Ade be better than anyone in their specialties? Not including crown because crown.

I’m trying to see if I should pull her or wishlist her. If she’s not better than any of the above characters then I’ll just wishlist her.

Or if the difference is only minuscule then I’ll wishlist

[jaunty void]

Grave is basically the second best B2 and Ade is somewhere around that level

[bitter lily]

ade is inbetween grave and mari

crown
grave
ade
mari
maids is a bit tricky because it’s 2 units, so taking an extra slot is hard to quantify/compare

[jaunty void]

She's better than Mari in Cindy teams and better than Grave in maybe pierce or generic teams if you can't burst fast enough to use her burst gen but having 3 B2 that aren't healers might be hard to fit in your SR teams if the boss requires healing

[dire delta]

I thought grave was better in pierce teams

[jaunty void]

Probably depends on the self buffs they bring

I saw people doom posting grave bmilk

Ade has more attack damage but less pierce and bmilk has gorilla self pierce

Just get 100% ele bade

[short jay]

pierce and attack damage are in same group

still, who said Grave is better for piercer

Grave has higher dmg than Ade true, but their buff amounts are roughly the same

83%, Grave is 84% I think

[jaunty void]

[dire delta]

oh da fck

I thought they stackie

[jaunty void]

It's over

[dire delta]

so is ade just better than both mari and grave?

[short jay]

for pierce team without pierce part (like last raid, Grave buffing Asucka), Ade ~ Grave

[dire delta]

I think grave does surpass ade in terms of total team dmg... if your grave is good

mine has only ele

[short jay]

for pierce part, Grave > Ade

[dire delta]

so my grave might beat out ade in fire weak

[short jay]

for non pierce team, Ade > Grave

[dire delta]

hmmm

is it cause pierce gets more vlaue the more parts u... pierce

simple enough, ya?

[short jay]

problem is, no one gives a lot of rocks on Grave. 4 rocks and move on

wowie a B2 who deals dmg

[dire delta]

and then poor mari is in the backline, having been kicked out of her place on cindy team

except in electric weak

but man ade is so good

[dire delta]

u love dis emote

[jaunty void]

I care about grave damage

Gorilla mommy

[dire delta]

XD

doing lvl 7 skills is cheap, going any further is when you REALLY need to sit down and think

blue and purple skill books plentiful, gold books though... not so much

those are hard to get

it was snake's plan all along, that everybody goes 3x10 bade

but yeah it should actually just be like this

4/4/7 -> 7/7/10 -> 10/10/10

[upbeat river]

To put it in perspective, one character at 10/10/10 stopped you from having three characters at 7/7/7 (this is including the one you gave 10/10/10 to)

[vale river]

Im pulling then since I don’t have crown and I like her more than grave

Yeah I’m honestly super stingy with upgrading skills

[dire delta]

4/4/7?

or... u could do 7/7/7 ig

[vale river]

I 7/7/7 her

[dire delta]

ah

nice

[vale river]

I have to contemplate hard to go to 10

[dire delta]

i 7/7/10

just cause I have a lil spare

2k gold burst books left

[vale river]

Only one I’ve 10/10/10 so far is RRH

[dire delta]

damn

[vale river]

But also I haven’t played for that long yet

[dire delta]

ohhhhhh ok

dat makes sense

[dire delta]

das why my mihara is only 10/10/7, she only bursts in fire weak

lvl 10 so pricy

triple 10 is usually only recieved for like super meta characters that u know u will always find use for

[molten thorn]

I 10/10/10 everything that my johnny react to

[rare lintel]

10 7 10

S1 needs 10

Ade is 10 10 10

[dire delta]

really?

I think for budget 7/7/10 is enough

the jump isn't huge

2% of caster's attack more

for... a crap ton of gold books, I feel like that's not so valuable and isn't an immediate prio

same with this, while good, it is not a substancial increase

if every support with teamwide buffs like this was to be 10/10/10'd, I'd go broke so soon

2% caster's atk and 3% pierce more pierce to all allies

I am not counting her own personal dmg increase which will be probably minimal with just ammo rolls

please let me know if I am somehow missing something incredibly obvious because I don't see the urgency to lvl 10 her s1 and s2

[vivid zephyr]

you definitely don't require S1 at 10

it's very minor that 7/7/10 is more than fine

10/10/10 for those squeezing for all the buffs/damage possible in SR/UR

[short jay]

4/4/10

[vivid zephyr]

but I think 7/7/10 is sufficient for most

yeah even 4/4/10 works

the numbers are mega small on S1 and S2

[bitter lily]

7 is ok because 7 nowadays isn’t expensive (doesn’t require yellow mats)

[plain zephyr]

SR15

[kindred oar]

I have pretty similar performance with Ade and Mari. Ade 10/10/10 SR15. Mari 7/10/10 SR15. Electric weak shooting range

[queen ridge]

hi guys

[flat matrix]

no

[plush compass]

yo uh if you guys got doubts

one copy is all

thank you for not listening to me

[dawn trellis]

4/4/7 -> 7/7/10 -> 10/10/10

1,2 or 3 ammo on OL for QoL during burst gen

[vale river]

Who is bades preferred B1? Tested with liter and DKW and DKW performs better with Bade for me. Are there any better options?

[vale river]

On non electric teams cause I’m assuming electric team will just be rogue

[jaunty void]

With what?

Are you just comparing bade personal damage?

[vivid zephyr]

you're looking at it from a wrong angle

BAde is just a buffer

use her like you would with grave/mari

[vale river]

I’m meant in total team damage

[vivid zephyr]

yes she's the buffer

the DPS is who besides what buffers they want

[vale river]

True that does make sense

Yeah I was wondering because I was seeing people say grave is better with liter

Ah that makes sense as to why people recommend liter with grave then ty

I might have to reread the kits again I thought bade gave similar atk buffs compared to grave and the difference was bade’s buffs were basically all the time and graves were only during full burst

I should start reading the full kits myself instead of watching a YouTube video of someone explaining it🤣🤣

Oh yeah I see that now grave gives atk dmg whereas bade does raw atk

That makes sense since there would be diminishing returns from having too much raw atk vs having raw atk plus another buff

[queen ridge]

thank you for answering my question

[queen ridge]

one copy?

[flat matrix]

Yes

[fading falcon]

Does bunny abe help with the bug anomaly? Or is crown just the better option

Or could u use both?

[upbeat river]

Crown utility is too good vs "bug" anomaly, her shield can full block Ultra's shockwave. Your team can keep shooting without worrying about taking cover nor about the shockwave damaging cover

Ade wouldn't have this, so Ade would need to be significantly better to replace the loss of using Crown's shields for more damage uptime

And she's not

[dire delta]

ayy, there we go

none of that 10/10/10 or nothing stuff

[upbeat river]

It's probably not a bad idea to 4/4/10, too

But if you love Bunny Ade, you will give her everything including your wallet

[dire delta]

I can't tell if bade goes better in cindy/bmilk team as mari replacement or in SG team to replace leona

[marsh trail]

Is maid ade a good pull? I don't have mari

[marsh trail]

ok thanks

[rare lintel]

Has anyone tried Ade B2 with offburst Crown

Meh worse than HelmTr

[sharp badger]

Why would you ever Offburst Crown?

[vital whale]

Cause bursting with crown is so metasheep

[ionic oyster]

only seen it vs mast in coop was around 400m worse

[errant island]

Nah, on-burst Grave off-burst Crown has a niche for certain AI clears

[rare lintel]

If Ade can reach the same rotation speed

Ade wins

Like in Ultra

+15% atk

[spark smelt]

Bro

[queen ridge]

Yes bro

[spark smelt]

Is she a must pull?

[keen cloud]

She's cute. Yes. Her kit doesn't matter.

Spend all your gems and core+7 her.

[ionic oyster]

https://youtu.be/q1wxWk_RsPw?si=EZPBl54yT2IW2F1d

[short jay]

grave has slowest clear time

how

[jaunty void]

how is Mari buffing the most?

i get her mogging ade on pierce but grave should win on ultra

[short jay]

look at clear time

[vale river]

Yeah how is graves time the slowest? I was testing with this same team and grave always does better vs ade for me

At least for pierce teams

Well almost the same team. Was running siren, RRH, RH, and THelm

Granted my Ade is slightly less invested compared to Grave but only a little bit worse.

[upbeat river]

I tried Ade 7/7/10 T9Ms

In the end I never used her in the UR

Mari 10/10/10 OLs won

Though it was team dependent too

Nevertheless, the biggest thing with Mari is I could spam shots for burst gen. My BAde can't

Still, the Mari-less players of Nikke should be happy now

Or Mari-dislikers

But how dare you dislike a lady with glasses

https://tenor.com/view/the-battle-cats-battle-cats-mari-mari-illustrious-mari-illustrious-makinami-gif-14169844637857071350

[nimble reef]

So, who's better for general use? Abe Mari or grave?

Like campaign and stuff

Idk if pull Abe or wait

[plain widget]

Well, she is a pretty shit character.

Easily my least favorite Eva character.

[last stump]

mari is unpleasant to look at or hear

[dire delta]

my fave eva character is wasuka, cause she's good

[plain widget]

I was more thinking of her as a character in the series, not the collab.

[dire delta]

oh, in that case I don't really like any of them

[plain widget]

Let me guess, you're a Rei fan?

[errant island]

Campaign is usually Crown

Grave better for fire-weak imo, but I'm not a high deficit pusher

[dire delta]

nope

I don't like either rei's

I skipped them originally but then got both on rerun for collection

[plain widget]

Fair.

I don't like either of them as people, but I like them as characters, if that makes any sense to you.

[dire delta]

uh huh...

[plain widget]

Yeah that probably came off as a little confusing, didn't it?

Can't be more confusing than the second half of End of Evangelion.

[dense rain]

HOLY SHIT WHAT

This was on my last rock for today. Rerolled all 3 times and got this

[dire delta]

poggers, now get black line ammo

[dense rain]

Will do 👍

[rare lintel]

No atk buff

[lean knoll]

? Grave has both atk dmg and pierce dmg buff

She should be dealing more than both Mari and ade

[errant island]

ATK =/= attack damage

[ionic oyster]

high def bosses u want ATK more than attack damage so kinda makes sense why ade is winning out

[errant island]

Grave only has a self-buff to ATK while B Ade gives 15% Caster's ATK continuously

That may seem like a low number, but I actually got more damage vs Thermite β using off-burst Noir with Wasuka/ReiTN than with using SBS on OR off-burst with them

And Noir only gives 14% iirc (albeit she's an Attacker, so her ATK is higher)

Although I'd assume their slower clear with Grave is due to lack of offensive investment in Grave

I feel like most people probably use Grave for her skill buffs and burst gen and ignore building her lines

Her personal damage can get very high vs the right targets

Looks low compared to Rapi/Mihara, but that's vs Modernia who isn't very pierce friendly

compared to less invested Grave

[rare lintel]

@short jay @errant island Nah actually cus Grave buff is zero as off burst. Against Ultra there are rotations where Crown is used. Ade and specifically Ade still give decent buffs off burst. Mari too but only the ATK part.

So Ade might have a 1-2% lead but, when Crown takes over Burst, Ade has 3-5% lead.

Probably more.

Hence why I asked whether anyone tried Ade + Crown before cus I know Ade has a small offburst buff.

But then I said its pointless cus MastM/HelmTr is better.

[plain widget]

I wonder if Ade can be used in Kraken.

[upbeat river]

Sometimes a superior on paper B2 is inferior to another B2, due to various factors of investment and comp

Once BAde catches up to Mari in everything, though, then I think BAde will consistently be better in almost everything except easy core-hits enemies while in a piercing comp

[errant island]

B Ade already improved damage for my union members vs Crystal Armor

I got more damage with a 7/7/7 no doll B Ade than I did with a 10/10/10 SR5 doll Mari

[vagrant dagger]

i got the same dmg

skill issued hard

[covert pelican]

I rolled

Is she good for laplus

[wise delta]

laplus darknesss

[rare lintel]

No.

[upbeat river]

Why no?

Afaik Laplace wouldn't mind being with Crown, Grave, BAde, or even Mari

The real issue is Laplace herself, not BAde

[split plaza]

Laplace doesn't buff herself so she welcomes all buffs

[rare lintel]

Laplace dmg is a mix of pierce and non pierce so its a bit iffy

Also her dmg is not good

Better use units that heavily rely on pierce

[jaunty void]

ade buffs are more weighted to atk so at least she's better than grave ig

[queen ridge]

is she the 2nd best b2 now?

[dawn trellis]

Not necessarily

Top 4

Top2 to top 4

[queen ridge]

Ahhh hmmm okay thanks, is she also like flexible like crown? Can fit any team?

[dawn trellis]

Kinda? she is always worse though

More apt comparison is that she's exactly like grave or mari

[queen ridge]

AHHH okay okay thanksss

[fresh matrix]

chat, should i pull bunny ade, milk, or wait for anniversary?

[plucky totem]

easily ?

as a b2 i dont think so

[errant island]

B2 Pilgrim at anni

Done

[plucky totem]

maybe double b2

to kill off b2 slot entirely

[errant island]

The thing about B Ade is that she offers basically nothing aside from straight numbers

That's the easiest way to get powercrept

Crown has shields and taunt.
Grave has burst generation and moderate personal damage.
Mari has AoE burst.
Blanc has healing.
Naga has healing.
S Helm has CDR.

Ade only at 90% rn in her feature raid

[plucky totem]

BAde is a good generalist, that's a good selling point

she's cheap and is useful for majority of player base

[errant island]

It is, but generalists are also the first to get knocked out

Specialists with useful niches are more fool-proof

[plucky totem]

for top scorer, maybe

[errant island]

For lower players, too

Not having healing makes her way harder to use

Mari is basically a useless character for those outside of the top scorers

[plucky totem]

top 50 data give us a very different picture tbh

if we're talking that context then yes, Bade isn't something that's here to stay

[errant island]

Blanc > Mari for everything aside from DPS at high investment

Which also means Blanc > B Ade in the same situation

cuz surviving 3 minutes gives more DPS than dying early, usually

That's what I'd meant

B Ade is more likely to be an Elegg/Rem unit

Marciana might be basically dead in the top 50, but she's still insanely useful for weaker players

[plucky totem]

anything that don't provide dmg will be dead for top 50

[errant island]

Pretty much, unless healing is too necessary

(Wind Bringer)

[plucky totem]

cuz survivability isn't an issue like it used to

[errant island]

Dolls have mostly invalidated that tho

[plucky totem]

which i think is a bad trend

[errant island]

B Alice has 6% usage atm tho, so Whale is proving to be more of a threat than recent bosses

[plucky totem]

balice is a good alternative to manchor

[hearty adder]

Balice is on my 5th team atm with grave .. even shotgun i use solo naga.. I hope anni gives a crown tier b2 but maybe she can heal rather then shield.. i want for shotgun team.. so i can just run all 3 dps and auto in peace

[plucky totem]

they seems to be very careful with b1 and b2 slots

which is understandable

[errant island]

Unless a kit is designed oddly, B2s have a natural disadvantage as DPS units vs B3s, so it's harder to make B2 DPS units

Easier to make them supports, so element means less

[plucky totem]

And supports are harder to make

Ade is a safe way to do it

But you can’t do it for long

If the jump in usability is not high enough, people will just contend with skipping since they are not limited

[jaunty void]

I guess we aren't at that stage of the game yet

Most people don't even run 5 on element teams for SR

[errant island]

Iron, electric, fire, and water have enough for five on-element teams now. Wind doesn't yet

[hearty adder]

Electric/fire i can run 5.. the others i just use strong invested neutral units to fill gaps.. end up being better then not optimized units like bready for me at least..

I think my 2nd element i really invest in will be wind when we get more units..

Water has too many mid units.. iron is just annoying with Snow white and now Milk.. My fire units are good but i can't get miranda buff to mihara (if helm is in the team )

[fresh matrix]

chat, i need help
whom should i pull? i mean, i do like bunny ade and bunny milk designs
but which one of them can help me long-term?

[hearty adder]

If you have to pick one.. probably Ade.. IF not save for anni/collab

[rare lintel]

Mari is the one getting knocked out likely.

[errant island]

Yeah, but Ade will be next

And Ade already toast if healing is necessary

[upbeat river]

I still like Mari. She'll still have a place

In the lobby

[warm grail]

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-mari-4rebuild-gif-22679762

Best waifu by far

[vivid zephyr]

hag

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-run-gif-11673719011686150916

[west elk]

@stable shell man. u are right
Mari is benched. not Leona

but for average ppl. i think benching leona is the way to go

[stable shell]

I dont event think I will use Mari next raid

[warm grail]

"Mari benched"

81% usage this raid

[west elk]

Not 100%

[ionic oyster]

no mari no mihara from rank 1s

[rare lintel]

She is benched by top players.

80% don't know better, find her more convenient, or don't build units.

She was in fact "dead" in a sense.

[warm grail]

They 81% is from top players

[bitter lily]

mari is still convenient to clear mobs in cindy team

[plucky totem]

Certainly a take of all time

[jaunty void]

I used Blanc in Cindy because not dying is also convenient

[rare lintel]

It includes me.

[plucky totem]

tell me snake what's your rank

[rare lintel]

33

[plucky totem]

Maybe you can convince the 32 above you about that

[rare lintel]

[rare lintel]

Convince what

I used Mari too

And I still say Mari is dead

[plucky totem]

Then wtf is this

You’re schizo bro

Take your meds

[errant island]

nothing new

Mari will probably remain competitive for a while since the gap between her and B Ade isn't very wide considering cost to invest

Need Pilgrim B2 to powercreep both

[rare lintel]

Mari is dead at the top of the top.

Because she's not optimal.

https://enikk.app/soloraid/29

Only two people were able to play without Mari.

And since they broke through that obstacle, they got a huge lead.

[plucky totem]

i dont think not using mari was the key

[rare lintel]

It was the key.

Mari doesn't give Pierce if core is broken.

BAde still gives full pierce.

Regardless of whether core is still alive.

[plucky totem]

i dont think i understand what you say anymore

[rare lintel]

But to be able to run without Mari is quite wild.

[plucky totem]

whatever float your boat my man

[rare lintel]

Mari doesn't give Pierce DMG if core is broken.

How hard is it to understand that

[jaunty void]

Just core hit the mobs

[rare lintel]

Not 100%.

[jaunty void]

[warm grail]

the nothing yapping here is wild

[jaunty void]

Nothing left to yap about

Solo raid is over and next SR is a c7 ada check

Then there's anni and one of the three anniversary pilgrims is probably going to kill her

[errant island]

That's not wild at all. It's 100% expected

Mari was used even less last raid and about the same amount two raids ago

She's been in decline

Not using Mari was the key for the difference between #1 and #　2, but that alone doesn't make the 4 bil difference #2 and #3

The next person to not use Mari was #12, so what about the 10 people between 1 and 12? How'd they beat #12?

[rare lintel]

Different investments.

Damage gap is what's important.

Rank 1 and 2 had a huge damage gap over the rest.

You can argue someone doesn't use Mari at Rank 50 too.

But, this Raid shows that the Top Damage is held without Mari.

That's what's important.

And that Top Damage is >10% more than the rest.

Tbh, we can just narrow our damage calculation to SG and Cindy team.

Since it's just BAde in SG + Mari in Cindy, or Leona in SG + BAde in Cindy in the most part.

[errant island]

Number 2 used Mari

That's my point

Oh wait, I'm dumb

That's Rouge

[errant island]

Puttiny dumb moment aside, Mari vs Ade still only made up for 769 bil of the major gap between #2 and #3

Compared to 2.33 bil dif in SW comp

SW is the real determiner

[upbeat river]

I think you meant mil

[errant island]

I did indeed

[vagrant dagger]

Very good feedback, i agree

[mental fjord]

how much of that dmg gap is having a stacked af sw alone?

with the same team so that dmg has no bering on mari vs no mari

realistically if u look at the 2 teams that changed, theres a 1.3b gap from the change (both teams playing at near 100 percentile already

thats like an 3% overall increase and a 13% team increase across those 2 teams on an unfavorable boss for mari(lets be real what boss has core perma anymore) with a decent gap on cp for team 5(indication of overload rolls)

[mental fjord]

this diff also makes sense since bmilk gains roughly similar dmg with sros or bade, more dmg than mari not having pierce dmg up the whole time all while sros is buffing raven more (higher total numbers since sus dmg + better brackets + part destruction happens here for extra s1 atk up) then you get a better buffer for rh in team 5

[west elk]

yeah mari is done dirty cuz boss has no core and boss WILL have no core

[coral wasp]

gator

[errant island]

Question for any paper math folks willing to ponder it until I get a chance to test myself:

Assuming fire-weak and healing mandatory, what B2 would end up used for SG comp for best damage?

Arrangements I've considered:

• Tove/Blanc/Drake/B Soda/Noir
• Tove/Leona/Drake/B Soda/B Alice (or M Anchor?)
• Tove/B Ade/Drake/B Soda/B Alice (or M Anchor?)
• Tove/Naga/Drake/S Doro/B Soda

Curious if B Ade actually offers more potent buffs than Leona in the same comp, how she compares to bunnies, and whether the inclusion of S Doro despite B Soda long-burst debuff would outdo the weak buffs of solo Naga compared to the others

[dawn trellis]

Ade

Wait, ade balice sucks

[dawn trellis]

Blanc noir or Naga prolly depending on element

Or just ditch the healer and run a proper 3 sg

[errant island]

Healing mandatory

Otherwise I wouldn't be asking

also specified fire-weak

[hearty adder]

Probably Naga/doro.. doro does huge dmg.. drake is also buffing 4/5 of the team.. naga personal dps isnt a complete joke either

[viscid hound]

Yeah naga prob best

[rare lintel]

Tia Tove Naga Drake BSoda

If no SDoro

No point using Blanc

Weaker buff

I think

Or Tove Naga SDoro Drake BSoda