[Vesti: Tactical Upgrade] New Unit Megathread

[alpine ether]

SS-SSS is fine

A-S is not

[alpine scroll]

the higher it gets the easier

[signal torrent]

can't you just do if i like the character she's sss otherwise f

[alpine ether]

I agree but the new tier list is very mixed between A and S, and Im getting endless complaints

[spring jay]

Wait for surface content to force everybody to make a whole new tier list

[alpine ether]

And internally, we can never reach an agreement if something is A or S too

[spring jay]

[alpine scroll]

the only right way is to agree on the criteria

then work from there, otherwise nothing work

[spring jay]

You can always try adding a confidence score. The higher it is, the more immovable the character is from their tier.

Then when people want to argue, just show them the character’s weak confidence score

[alpine ether]

S should be: high impact on ELE, regardless of usage in neutral
A should be: a usable alternative on Neutral but only ideally used with elemental advantage

[alpine scroll]

it gets kinda convoluted once you take into account the nature of the unit (buffer, dps, healer...)

i mean that's what you and gaytrix should work on

[alpine ether]

No, it's Snake.

[zealous pagoda]

inb4 vesti doesn't even get auto fire on her instant charge shots

filler ass

[alpine ether]

This would somewhat solve Dorothy being A.

[alpine scroll]

so you and snake work on tier list and Gaytrix do the reviews ?

[alpine ether]

Idk Gatrix helps with other stuff

Like old unit reviews

Mostly

Misc guides

I mean everyone is on it with new reviews but he does those stuff more

Unless Im unavailable, in which case Gatrix usually takes over

[alpine scroll]

well you guys shouldn't have this debate over how to grade something S/A

that should be at least clear

[alpine ether]

S should be: Units in this rank either have very high impact on ELE or strong Neutral usability/niches where they are irreplaceable.
A should be: Only ideally used with elemental advantage and may or may not be usable in Neutral as an alternative/replacement.

[alpine ether]

We were shortsighted.

And there were flaws with the new evaluation system.

Which we agreed on.

[idle minnow]

im short sighted i read too much and now i have myopia

[cerulean eagle]

What's the verdict on these 3 bitches?

[paper stump]

Skip + wishlist

[sudden cargo]

I'm still on vesti cope for pvp

[crimson gale]

If i have been slowly setting up electric to be my element (Scarlet/Trina/Isabel/Arcana good rolls) are Emma/Eunwha decent investments for Ein?

[cerulean eagle]

i might pull Emma if there's seggs on her bond

[crimson gale]

they did last bond i am pretty sure.. so heres hoping 🙂

[dark inlet]

3 rocks right before Trios. i see what you did nikke.

but Vesti is like a while away

[paper stump]

Buddy this ain’t #show-off

3 rocks

How is that even possible

[crimson gale]

I thought 2 was the max..

[paper stump]

Hacker fr fr

[dark inlet]

idk how long anomaly has come out now

probably first time i seen that

[paper stump]

I don’t even get 3 rocks in full burst days

https://tenor.com/view/cat-it's-peak-cat-it's-coal-its-peak-its-mid-gif-12295099395828911145

[sudden cargo]

I've hit 3 rocks once

[alpine scroll]

He was talking about 3 rocks in total

[sudden cargo]

excuse you

I've had a 7 rock full burst day before without including the pity

ofc none of them resulted in anything useful

[vital moss]

the burst animation be like the second coming of smol white

[signal torrent]

vesti's shooting is like cindy that's going to be -5 burst gen for pvp

[sudden cargo]

[muted river]

The way I organize my tier list for DPS units, personally (entirely focused on SR/UR, as a note), is:

• SSS: Unit has either unique mechanics are a combined list of mechanics that make it irreplaceable now and for the foreseeable future. Mandatory for competitive rankings without any question.
• SS: Apex of its element and able outclass A tiers of other elements in DPS but either requires restrictive comps or relies on sheer numbers for dominance (offers nothing significantly gamechanging).
• S: Core units within their element. Ability to function in neutral either as filler units or via supportive characteristics that still function outside of their element.
• A: The foot soldiers of their element. They do their job well, but they fall out of relevance almost entirely in neutral unless a boss is particularly synergistic mechanically.
• B: Units that aren't yet bad, yet fail to excel well enough to warrant heavy investment until a treasure is provided.
• C: Candidates for mild investment for new, F2P players who don't want to reroll. Purely a stepping stone.
• D: Units that honestly need a non-treasure rework, as their kits are simply poorly designed.
• F: Just don't.

[zealous pagoda]

I think absolute is too important to be dead on arrival units so they'll probably get giga buffed by anniversary units

[paper stump]

Don’t cope that hard bru

[muted river]

Based on story trailer, Nayuta is probably going to be our god-tier water anni unit

[sudden cargo]

she's gonna be electric

[muted river]

Ah yes

Electric bubbles, like the wind liquid metal bubbles of Siren

[spring gorge]

Never forget LITTLE MERMAID (SIREN) - WIND

[sudden cargo]

she'll be anything but the most obvious ele

[muted river]

Never look at the unit

Look at the boss

[idle minnow]

absolute has been too important lorewise for like 3 years and theyve been in the bin

[muted river]

Oh wait, right, Siren didn't even align with boss element

[idle minnow]

mantis equiv btw

[muted river]

I mean

Absolute had like two scenes in the main story tbh

Pretty sure Exotic and Inherit have more screentime than them

Until now, at least

[idle minnow]

inherit for sure cuz doro specifically keeps coming back

[muted river]

I don't count Doro

She basically does nothing with Inherit

We'll basically know the fate of this trio when we get the boss info

If there's no insane DEF gimmick (Wind-Element Mirror Container? ), then we'll see them fairly

If there is, then they're probably one-raid wonders

[idle minnow]

but she is inherit

[idle minnow]

dw they will sell this trio with sr for sure

imagine if they just dream up mechanics for new units specifically, shift up would never do that

make a shield dmg up and a singular boss with a shield

[muted river]

I mean, it could end up a Maid Privaty situation where they just end up like T3

[idle minnow]

i think theyre t4

[muted river]

Or that, yeah

[idle minnow]

4 or 5

[muted river]

I don't think they're beating Crown or Grave/Alice

[idle minnow]

ya its like

[muted river]

Unless w/e boss has no core, then rip Alice

[idle minnow]

rapi
afk mihara
alice eva

[muted river]

but then hello Miranda S Rosanna Mihara

[idle minnow]

sg and this?

[muted river]

Ah yeah, and Drake stonks

[paper stump]

I think it’s good we have mid level releases like this. Gives us a chance to breathe. I like the new trio a lot

[muted river]

I don't mind mid releases

I don't like triple releases

[idle minnow]

heres a real question

r u going to ele atk ammo vesti

for team 4/5

im not

but she kinda wants all 3

[paper stump]

brother

where do i have rocks

for one unit

let alone 3

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1070133362905333761/1402277559915249784/ezgif-7e72d75a7a835d.gif

[sudden cargo]

0 rock emma and eunhwa, ez

[paper stump]

get bonked in tower

ez

wait nvm elyshit tower has rapipi

won't even use them

[sudden cargo]

tower? yeah

0 chance they remotely compete

[paper stump]

good good

very nice units

unironically

we got a month to breathe

[ancient quail]

I mean, you wouldn't replace RRH, but if you replaced Helm, Mast, and Anchor...
Hmm, yeah, I'm not so sure that'd improve things.

[sudden cargo]

then rrh getting borderline no buffs

maids rapipi going nowhere in tower

[ancient quail]

Maybe Rapi's drill is an explosive projectile. =y

[idle minnow]

it is

but u dont get more diluted then this

oh wait attachment is more diluted

but yea it is cuz her s2 shows it

[oak matrix]

is vesti a besti

[placid garnet]

what does diluted even mean when it's 2 skills in the same characters kit

we're just saying words to say them

when you're mix and matching different units you can use that but you're never separating those out so diluted makes 0 sense

[idle minnow]

They're talking about using rapi in Emma eunhwa

Cuz theres projectile explosion DMG up

Which rapi already buffs herself

???

That's literally mixing and matching rapi into a team

[spring jay]

What I really want to know is if Laplace's laser beam shots count as projectiles

[idle minnow]

It might not be

[spring jay]

Both kinds. The basic shots, and the burst prolonged beam of death

[idle minnow]

Cuz there's no explosion right

[paper stump]

I mean s1 wording does make it sound like it’s an “explosion”

[idle minnow]

Her normal wep is an explosion for sure but that also doesn't stack in burst laser iirc?

And it doesn't affect laser radius

Afaik

[paper stump]

Yea you’re right

Her burst isn’t an explosion

Just “deals true dmg”

[grave rose]

Why did they go back to true damage now

[paper stump]

To give us a break

[grave rose]

Somehow I knew that they would be support support DPS and also not impressive

[sudden cargo]

absolutely mid

[alpine ether]

RLs explosiode

[signal torrent]

being impressive is reserved for limiteds and 1% for a while now

if you can call a 2% standard impressive in advance that would be good foresight

like maids

[sour mango]

Didn't a lot of people say "skip except for raiders" about both Aegis maids and then immediately regretted skipping her?

Most of the duos got that misjudgment.

[toxic dust]

it's trio without CDR

[signal torrent]

i don't remember what people said about them honestly

[gleaming arch]

bruh

[signal torrent]

yeah this no cdr is like wtf is going on

[sour mango]

The thread's not that far down, it's pretty funny to reread.

[signal torrent]

2023 nikkes

[sour mango]

Or things like "bunnies aren't even T5 anymore" and we've used them every raid recently.

I want to see how this no CDR team works as a trio

No idea who else would even get added to their squad.

[signal torrent]

emma+eunhwa work as a true damage buffer

once they finally lift that cope shit off the ground they can become very good

[sour mango]

Maybe some of the currently unused off-burst healers? If Eunwha goes the whole team does.

Honestly might toss on Rapunzel to see how much Eunwha and Emma buff her.

[spring jay]

Yep, now the maid pirates are used in campaign, anomaly interception, either in part or in full. Maid Mast, primarily

[spring jay]

TU Emma heals the team a lot, it's basically got to be a CDR unit in 5th slot unless the fight is simply winnable without CDR

What we put in the team with the trio depends on how horrible the trio's burst gen is

If it's decent or good enough, then anyone works.

If it's bad, then it has to be somebody that adds good burst gen.

[sudden cargo]

I don't think it's even that much heals

[sour mango]

Welcome back Dolla?

[sudden cargo]

how much generic buff does the duo even give

30% dmg taken and 40% caster atk?

[spring jay]

Generic what way?

Oh, like any damage type?

As in not constrained to true dmg only

[sudden cargo]

yeah

[spring jay]

Just take this image and I guess blot out the specific ones? #1402623592188870806 message

[sudden cargo]

ig they're around bunnies tier then for generic dps

[grave rose]

You nailed it, the required 2%s have all been supports

Blanc and Noir, NagaTia, DWife, Rouge, maids and whoever else

But these are supporting true damage and that won't really land

[sudden cargo]

in bossing they should be fine even in generic

bunny tier

[sour mango]

Eventually they will get us to care about True Damage. They seem to be determined.

Unlike Last Bullet that keeps getting undermined and ignored.

[grave rose]

I agree

[sudden cargo]

nayuta true dmg cope

[idle minnow]

as determined as they were sg team

tbf

[oak matrix]

is she good for pvp

[plain bramble]

since the two others are true damage buffers
won't it be better to just pair ein with them?

[spring jay]

We just need testing to find out

[edgy onyx]

60% true dmg which costs 2 slots

Frima does the same and costs 1 slot

[plain bramble]

wait

so what do they give?

[edgy onyx]

true dmg

[plain bramble]

no I meant

eul and emma really needs vesti

but vesti is eh on paper

[edgy onyx]

together they become 3 Trony

[plain bramble]

this is similar to early shitgun all over again

investing in a bunch of units that doesn't have a clear future

unless they're pushing true damage next, which they should be

[edgy onyx]

if we have insane true dmg next, she will go with Frima lol

better slot wise

[plain bramble]

don't need to squeeze remaining players with 1% banners when you can just release trios

[edgy onyx]

actually 78%

for Emma + Eunhwa it's 30.97% x 2

so yeah, together they are worse Frima

[plain bramble]

frima heals too

[spring gorge]

ok, i build frima treasure

Build 1 unit > building 2 units

[plain bramble]

so we either roll for a trio or roll for vesti+build frimmers

[edgy onyx]

3.9% dmg taken
10.92% explosion dmg which is RL only
40% ATK buff cd 40s
61.94% true dmg buff
8.16% crit rate
27.97% dmg taken
41.81% charge dmg

so many buffs, except all of them look so small

sure together they are slightly better than Frima in term of edge, but they cost 2 slots while Frima is 1

[plain bramble]

yeah this ain't it, I can see a squeeze from miles away
not rollin

[zealous pagoda]

All the true damage units are lolis

Bait damage type

They'll never make a meta loli DPS because they can't give her a gacha skin that violently rubs her smelly feet all over your face

Su would never be this based

[plain bramble]

listen to this man, he tells the truth

[ancient yew]

So, SU undercooked?

[zealous pagoda]

It is unknown

Right now they're all mid as hell but this team screams that it's incomplete

[plain bramble]

you mean we need to roll for 2+ more girls?
that's genius. It was almost as if a certain archetype in the past was so shit
it needs 5 entirely new chars to save it

[zealous pagoda]

You can choose your own schizo theory

On what shift up is thinking

[plain bramble]

I'm just sayin that shitup saw how successful sg was and said
let's try for episode 2

[zealous pagoda]

They could all be filler garbage because absolute is 2 lolis and a cow with canonically toxic milk so it's possible that they're just throwaway

That's meant only to normalize triple banner patches before anniversary

But their buffs are really unique so if the anniversary pilgrim (at least one of 3) is a true damage DPS you'll explode instantly

I'm scarred after skipping maids because you literally do not get to play bready so I'll probably try to at least get Emma enhua

Vesti is probably replaceable by Laplace and she has loli debuff

So 🚮

I guess we'll know if Vesti is meant to be a real unit from how her instant charge works

If it doesn't auto fire or have a reduced cooldown she's probably filler garbage

[spring jay]

Frima is unusable in campaign waves, and vs certain bosses her kit is messed up because she must land 6 shots in time to proc the buffs and then burst after having the buffs (so at start of battle, she’s too fast to apply the true dmg buffs)

So for the most part, I view Frima treasure as a thorough failure because ShiftUp didn’t want to let her realize her dream

And then we have a fundamental problem where if we want true damage comp, TU Eunhwa must be considered because she’s literally firing pure true damage bullets often…

And of course the fact she helps TU Vesti do more

All without the Frima treasure problems

[paper stump]

Again guys remember if vesti and gang were must have meta we’d be in deep shit. So be happy they’re just ok, roll for waifu or collection, otherwise wishlist and save

[muted river]

A lot of people also said Grave looked underwhelming

Most people just talk

[muted river]

lolwut

I could maybe see the argument for Vesti if one recognizes the concept of oppai loli, but Eunhwa is in no way loli

[formal wigeon]

Uhuh

In this server, loli status is decided by how the majority of artists draw the character

sure ig

[zealous pagoda]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320737442441203764/1395704536978423828/Flat.png?ex=68951fe4&is=6893ce64&hm=6c6a1b9315a12bf0c51e9f7a9b19c8458815f097549e398f64b440fab8d99ef6&

None of the characters are loli because they're all trained soldiers except maybe Rei and Tia/Naga but shift up has never made characters without massive tits good

And bad characters get huge tits when they get reworked to become good like D

Liter was a mistake they've been trying to kill for years

I'm coping for meta petite or at least flat nikkes too but it's not happening unless it's a bundle with some fat tits hoe like manchor

[edgy onyx]

I'm sure Grave was deemed Mid for her DPS

not her buff

who is even in the right mind to say 40% ATK dmg 40% pierce dmg = mid

[zealous pagoda]

And manchor doesn't even get to see play with her intended teammate all the time because people would rather run mast crown

[edgy onyx]

yeah, El Macho

[zealous pagoda]

I think the thing with grave is that people forgot she buffs

[edgy onyx]

anyway

Eunhwa has as much buff as Asuka (may be lower by ATK but whatever)

but she's base SR, Asuka is base AR

so yeah, rip

Eunhwa with 100% CS may do

[zealous pagoda]

Build infinite ammo team so you can roll 4x ele atk crit chance on enhua

[edgy onyx]

Vesti burst gen is probably very low

may be 65 x 4 x 4 at 2 RL

10.4% lmao

[muted river]

Basically that

People saw raon's "only a little more DPS than Dorothy" and declared her mid

Ignoring that Dorothy barely offers actual support function

[zealous pagoda]

They compared her buffs to crown and went yeah that's a DPS with token buffs

[limber citrus]

I heard that vesti attack range in pvp is 750?

[sudden cargo]

where'd you hear that from

[edgy onyx]

from forbidden zone

[sudden cargo]

[edgy onyx]

my dream

[limber citrus]

[sudden cargo]

been trying to ask the eden folks about vesti info for the past 3 and a half hours...

[edgy onyx]

go to RSP

I posted there

Yapden?

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/144492869?category=정보&p=1

[sudden cargo]

kr W

[edgy onyx]

may be I should have asked Lorax how to do this

but I won't be able to do this much since I'm always in office when they do MT

like, literally finished 2h meeting to see nothing fancy

[limber citrus]

Vesti so strong

Like upgraded A2

[paper stump]

So, low burst gen?

[edgy onyx]

medium

not too bad to be fair

[limber citrus]

Normal I think

2.5 rl 23.4

[paper stump]

Ah ok safe skip if you have other arena units

[edgy onyx]

definitely has her place in Zombie

[limber citrus]

If the data is correct

It's usable

[paper stump]

I’m dumb which unit is this closest to

[limber citrus]

A2 laps

[paper stump]

Ah a2 ok

[limber citrus]

Better than normal rl like noise but less than sg

[paper stump]

Alright so ok

[edgy onyx]

I assume Vesti will apply true dmg to everyone she hits

and shoot 4 shots over 3s

10s FB = at least 12 shots

[plucky trench]

damn

[edgy onyx]

each shot deals 266% true dmg x 1.6 (60% bonus True dmg on burst) x 1.5 = 7660.8% ATK

[plucky trench]

I hoped to see some PvE Vesti in this chat

Now it's all PvP

[edgy onyx]

=> Unbuffed Vesti will hit each and everyone as much as Helm nuke

[plucky trench]

[edgy onyx]

and it's true dmg so it will bypass your def which normally equals 20% ATK buff

[sudden cargo]

indom vesti annihilating nero moran

no more clutch moran stall win with 1s

[edgy onyx]

God-Emperor Vesti

[muted river]

Mood

[paper stump]

so pull vesti for pvp?

if you're missing other pvp nukers i guess

[edgy onyx]

nuker is counterable by noah bay

Vesti is counterable by stun her THEN Noah her or Rosanna her

that's way different

remember, THEN, not Or

it means even if she's stun by Siren, or cock block by Noah 3s

she still wipes

[paper stump]

welp

[edgy onyx]

but anyway

Vesti stock also rises this time

I dream that boss will have 360% def buff

can't be removed

[paper stump]

Let’s hope my arena fuckers don’t hear that

So I can safe skip

[paper stump]

We don’t need another mirror container bruh

That shit ass

[edgy onyx]

we will see

[paper stump]

Stupid question but why isn’t Noah cockblock enough for vesti? True damage skips thru the invul or you’re just thinking in 3rl teams where it’ll take longer than that to kill her so by the time Noah invul is gone she can wipe anyways

[edgy onyx]

Blanc Vesti

she will have 7s left right?

aka 8 shots, roughly

8 x 266% x 1.6 x 1.5 x 1.4 = 7150% ATK

for your reference, a normal Defender HP is 2750% ATK

[paper stump]

[edgy onyx]

x2 it (100% HP buff, 50% dmg reduction) makes it 5500% ATK

and where does 5500% ATK as HP bring you to?

to 7150%

[paper stump]

aight

I’m sold

[edgy onyx]

wanna be sold even better?

Noah has 2750% ATK as HP

Vesti deals 1280% ATK at 2 RL

so with 80% ele (4 lines normal) + cube + base 10%

Noah will die before you can even burst

or Blanc, SBS

[muted river]

[edgy onyx]

man, I really underrated her dmg yesterday

saw first 4 hits => damn bad

turn out that 4 hits are even stronger than 2 Laplace shot which can almost send Biscuit/Trina to next life

[spring jay]

That sounds strong

Does TU Vesti hit 2 targets before Full Burst?

[ancient yew]

Do most noah just run without biscuit?

[edgy onyx]

these days

[edgy onyx]

3

someone in my dream told me her AoE was big as Emilia

[spring jay]

That’s really difficult pressure on SBS then if it’s Blanc & SBS Indom

[edgy onyx]

[spring jay]

Because p1, p2, p3 aren’t safe for SBS from a bloodthirsty 80%-100% ele dmg TU Vesti

[edgy onyx]

indeed

1 PVP god to ruin them all

kneel before God-Emperor Vesti

[paper stump]

Man

Don’t temp me more lmao

Imma wait for her actual performance

[edgy onyx]

btw the number is unbuffed

[paper stump]

Final cope frontline

[edgy onyx]

but you will pair her with Blanc anyway

[paper stump]

Bro

[edgy onyx]

so x1.4

[paper stump]

wtf

[edgy onyx]

that's why I said

it's impossible to go against her. May be just Rosanna

[spring jay]

I think to make hyper froth and turn rabid, you just have to say TU Vesti in a bunny suit

[edgy onyx]

and duh, even Rosanna is not reliable these days

[paper stump]

Bro reading my mind

[edgy onyx]

more dupes on Vesti = can't die from Rosanna burst

Core Max probably never dies from Rosie burst

[spring jay]

Just put tempering cube on TU Vesti

SR15 doll

[edgy onyx]

that's a way but you will need 3 - 4 ammo lines on her then

instead of 2 lines (100%) and 1 bastion

8 x 2 = 16 + 3 = 19

may be 17, for 23 shots

[broken flax]

[edgy onyx]

112.5% ammo

nvm, whatever. Only needs to make sure she shoots 12 during FB

[grave rose]

Wait how does that math work that 266% true damage * 1.6 * 1.5 = 7660.8% atk

[edgy onyx]

60% true dmg buff on burst

50% full burst Bonus

her S2 is 266% true dmg per hit

so the dmg goes like
266% x (1+0.6) x (1+0.5) per hit

12 hits so x12 = 7660%

[grave rose]

Oh, over 12 hits, that makes sense

I've seen so many people on reddit making claims such as these three being used for elysion tower that I needed to double-check myself

[edgy onyx]

I assume she shoots 4 hits/3s

for Ely tower I'm sure D Duo Maids Rapi Helm is just brain dead

some stages you need to tap anchor for burst gen

but whatever afterward

[grave rose]

Like, elysion tower is almost perfect as it is, and these three run on a trio, focus on true damage (???) and there's no CDR

[ebon hare]

Why build 3 new units when the current one is alrdy super good

[grave rose]

I'm honestly curious to see if they'll have any real use rate at all amongst top 50 in SR after this next one

[edgy onyx]

with 360% def buff?

perhaps

[paper stump]

I think they got enough feedback on how ass mirror container raid was

[edgy onyx]

do you think why they sell a true dmg who deals 1/4 Rapi dmg

[paper stump]

25% rapipi

[alpine ether]

23.4 @ 3 RL

[alpine ether]

Dont forget charge dmg

[edgy onyx]

22.44% modifier

[alpine ether]

Eunhwa and Vesti S1 give upwards 100%

• explosion damage

[edgy onyx]

this is pevepe

for pve she's a Trony

🚮

[alpine ether]

Around 30.5% explosion damage

And around 66% normal attack per shot

[edgy onyx]

10% explosion dmg

whatchu means 30%

they are like 2%, 3%, 5% lmao

[alpine ether]

Vesti S2

Projectile explosion damage

[edgy onyx]

idk, I don't feel like bring Emma and Eunhwa to PVP

[alpine ether]

So normal basic attacks deal 344.52% in PvE per 4 shots.

Which can corehit

[signal torrent]

vesti pvp goddess after all?

about time we got something for that mode

[spring jay]

That's the biggest reason why there are some veterans salivating at skipping this whole month

Enough raid Fire units to get indigestion over

[ebon hare]

[signal torrent]

i think the squad looks good i'd like to use them

making these lore important 'important' you know not really but they will get exposition as skips feels bad

[grave rose]

I saw so many people saying they would be meta for that reason, but that has never worked

This game has always had nonsensical meta nikkes in comparison to their actual lore strength

[signal torrent]

we thought they were going to be overspec at first

and then they confirmed they would not be

i guess it killed them off

[grave rose]

I mean, I heard people saying that when they were announced a few days ago as normal banners

[signal torrent]

how are they showing rapi anything? it just proves rapi's point that leaving them behind was a good choice lol

[grave rose]

That makes no sense, Rapi would be no stronger than them if not for alien double core magic

[signal torrent]

rapi just knew it was a sinking ship and she needed to move on

smart girl

[grave rose]

That's not what actually happened

But then people start clamoring for them to be super meta or OP, otherwise people will say what you're saying and they'll be forgotten or whatever

[signal torrent]

if they were super fire niche that would've been a pretty good spot

or super true damage niche

but it appears that they are skips

server online

[hard bolt]

between the three, which one meta and not?

[edgy onyx]

Heaven and Earth
I'm meta

[spring jay]

I just remembered a Fire-weak boss that has high DEF

Indivilia

She's going to be in Museum isn't she

[idle minnow]

shes

iron

in sr

[zealous pagoda]

Anomaly meta team

As if rapi hypercarry doesn't already slaughter them all

[fresh ginkgo]

I forgot what's our first wind/fire weak SR

[fresh ginkgo]

Oh lol, it's whitesmith

Knowing it's collab SR, will they put it on museum?

Tho, they do skip entire 3-6 for ultra, so it can be anything for next museum boss really

[muted river]

Hehe, Ch 40 boss has spread out parts and is weak to fire

Now all we need is DEF buff and Vesti's ready for the selling

[slate thistle]

No need to DEF Buff, these parts have insanely strong Def naturally
I had enough power to destroy this Boss in Hard Mode, but I couldn't even kill a single one of her parts

[edgy onyx]

I dealt 1 dmg to it

so, assuming body has 0 buff

Rapi will deal 4x dmg of Vesti

but now we add 4 parts which only Vesti and Laplace somewhat can deal dmg to it

Vesti is now 1.2 Rapi =))

Mihara of course, doesn't give a fk about that

this is just another Gluttony to her

[zealous pagoda]

Finally, true damage shilling

Where nobody else gets to do damage

[paper stump]

anis tiddy star gonna be true dmg or nah

[sudden cargo]

Prob buffing

[zealous pagoda]

She's going to shoot her dirty socks into your mouth

Poison damage

So probably sustained but might be true?

[sleek haven]

maybe anis default B1 but if team has only 1 B3 then she become B3
flex kit like rapipi B3->B1?

[zealous pagoda]

Anis so fat she's all 3 bursts like red hood

But they all taunt her because they can't hit anything else

She's too wide

[sleek haven]

we need neon powerup too

[zealous pagoda]

Sneon is already peak performance

Can't get any stronger without ruining the balance

[signal torrent]

last time she did a water up that didn't go so well

[zealous pagoda]

At least her hand became sex

[idle minnow]

emilia 2.0

shows up for her own raid

[edgy onyx]

Vesti is pretty much dead against Gluttony type

but hey

[idle minnow]

ya emilia 2.0, emilia shows up nihilister 5splash

[edgy onyx]

roll her for she's the God-Emperor of PVPkind

[idle minnow]

literally never used in water again

only used in pvp

emilia 2.0

but u pull 3 instead of 1

[paper stump]

you got pulls left for vesti after the emma shaft?

[muted river]

Pull Vesti first so Emma can't steal your rolls

[alpine scroll]

imagine having both emma and eunhwa then have nothing left to pull vesti

[paper stump]

Reverse @edgy onyx moment

[edgy onyx]

700 gold tix

Whatever

[paper stump]

I have 1300 even I’m not gonna spend em on these. Upcoming schedule got me spooked

[crimson gale]

Did i miss an announcement? cause people seem to think collab after this? but we already had 2 this year.. last year was rezero and eva (dave diver doesn't count)

[muted river]

They officially stated there would be another collab

Months ago

[crimson gale]

dafuq they are truly milking.. hopefully its a dave the diver type thing

[muted river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1402617962476736552/1402619043394879550/Screenshot_20250802_090054_Chrome.jpg?ex=68973547&is=6895e3c7&hm=2da6640c9103f592b12b09e923f92f6a1fde505e0c8b3d094a2384865cc1f9f8&=&format=webp&width=1872&height=709

[paper stump]

Fun times

[muted river]

https://www.getnews.co.kr/news/articleViewAmp.html?idxno=813521 This is the source (it's in KR)

[spring jay]

That's good proof. At least, if they didn't change their words, and this sort of thing is long term planning and effort, not a "Okay boys and girls, we need to whip up something for 30 days from now. Let's do a collab!" - oh no, hell no. They probably had the deal worked out six months beforehand.

If not longer... for the negotiations and coordination

What if it's a Chainsaw Man rerun?

[muted river]

Evangelion Part 3: Electric Boogaloo

[spring jay]

You Shall (Not) Copium

[muted river]

You Shall (Not) Complain, more like

[paper stump]

You shall (eat) slop

[idle minnow]

they could have meant nier rerun tho no?

like not writing it off but technically could be sb+nier

[sudden cargo]

so wtf

the collab gotta be bunny theme right

otherwise wtf

absolute > bunnies > anni > collab > xmas?

no gap?

[paper stump]

Absolute>bnuy>collab>anni>xmas

[spring jay]

Translation: Absolutely a Bunny Collab for XMas

Veracity: Unknown

[crimson gale]

Collab sandwiched between ani 2+ 1% nikkes and winter 1x 1% nikke (u know its happening) would be something

[paper stump]

dont forget new years 1%

https://tenor.com/view/scorsese-absolute-cinema-meme-gif-9523375912274476782

also rapipi rerun

[signal torrent]

3 pilgrim patches
summer/winter patches
2 collab patches
an event with a minigame (bunnies for example)

that's already 8 per year

[plain bramble]

it's getting into year 3 so they're going into maximum squeezing mode

[signal torrent]

they said 8 to 9

we've always had 8

[pliant radish]

going public and listed on the stock market means line must go up at any cost now

[alpine ether]

They literally said we are gonna have another collab

[signal torrent]

yes it's not much

i'm not impressed with just another collab

[signal torrent]

they have some work to do

from going public to now it's a nice decline

[crimson gale]

I am hoping it was rapi (prob was) that made most of their money this month and not doro

[bitter geyser]

going public and having to deal with shareholders is like one of the leading causes for a company to start plummeting

[edgy onyx]

well trending recent 30 days

[zealous pagoda]

3 gacha skins on anni will save it

[alpine ether]

Shud have bought dem stocks

+10% on release date

[paper stump]

[alpine ether]

1066.4% True Damage to P1, P2, (P3?) in 3 RL

Add TEmma + TEunhwa for moar snipe damage.

Instant 62% True Damage, 100% Charge Damage (from Vesti S1 + Eunhwa), 20% ATK, 3.9% Damage Taken, and some Explosive bonus.

Unprotected Noah sniping is real.

[zealous pagoda]

unprotected...noah...

[alpine ether]

How fast is auto Alice again

[formal wigeon]

1.6 i think

[edgy onyx]

then stop thinking

I should cook this as emote to replace

[clever hearth]

vesti for alteisen coop

[edgy onyx]

my enemy's POV when he sees Zombie Vesti

[spring jay]

She meant to say Diesel

We need a Vestipat

[plucky trench]

@formal wigeon

what's the math about Vesti

[formal wigeon]

I haven't done it yet but apparently she's meta upcoming raid

[plucky trench]

yeah i know about the true dmg and Ziz thing

But i dont know about other fire boss

[formal wigeon]

Otherwise on shooting range neutral from paper math vesti will be like 50% of raven

[plucky trench]

I will just take an L then

mlb it is

[formal wigeon]

Well it's just what is expected we might be wrong

[plucky trench]

ngl I looked at number

[formal wigeon]

I'm hoping we're wrong cuz it's not a good look on SU honestly

[plucky trench]

i felt disappointed and happy at the same time

[plucky trench]

if they throw a meatball at Absolute's face

they cant do shit ig?

[zealous pagoda]

good absolute is omega copium

true damage has been dead for like a year, there's two true damage b3 in the game and they aren't even the same element so even if buffed vesti ends up doing relevant damage, your second b3 won't and you have no cdr

[paper stump]

True damage is a from shitup feels like

[edgy onyx]

why so high

she looks like 25% rapi to me

[formal wigeon]

Me and nit saw like 45% of raven

Cuz raven is ez to math

[paper stump]

It’s ok since I’ll skip all of em they’ll be meta fo sho

Maybe pull vesti if she’s a PvP demon by herself

[wintry saddle]

1 month free

[cunning surge]

most she's replacing is rei in CA

[paper stump]

Hope so

[cunning surge]

as in the fire mg

[paper stump]

I need two months of skips

[cunning surge]

meanwhile me sitting on 42 tickets and 72k gems

[spring jay]

If I could skip a year, what would happen...

[idle minnow]

realistically u would be building the prev year's nikkes no?

like will rapi suddenly be not used in 1 year

we have 4-5months left til 1 year old

cindy/ein will prob be used next electric, asukaw/sbs same story ect. maybe not team 1 anymore but definately team 4-5 right

[spring jay]

That makes sense and unless ShiftUp goes buck wild on releasing new OP units, it feels like at worst there’d be 1 new elemental team, which means I can still improve 4 out of 5 teams for most raids during the “skip year”

Unfortunately, actually doing a skip year seems like it’d be difficult. Because have to be self-disciplined enough

And quitting for a year doesn’t count!

[muted river]

Quitting for a year is bricked

Imagine losing a year's worth of gear exp and skill mats

[clever hearth]

even 1 month is enough to brick you

[muted river]

Yeah, can confirm

Had a union mate take a month long break before deciding to quit

I picked up his account and he'd gone from Challenger 1 undefeated to diamond 5

[whole wharf]

bro unbrick his mental + wallet, that's a win

[muted river]

Nah, he just moved to Snowbreak/Brown Dust 2

[paper stump]

arena is truly a never ending arms race, either embrace the autism or accept perma d5

whales can ignore tho

[muted river]

Vesti's supposed to be good for arena, right?

Who'd she be replacing?

Thinking about finally updating my teams after who knows how long

I think I saw talk of Blanc, so does that mean she's better than Emilia?

[paper stump]

Meth says she hits hard and can kill unprotected Noah

Have to see how she is in practice

But I can’t think of where to put her in tbh

I use Emilia as a burst gen battery, Vesti can’t even do that

Either way, she’s gonna see use in chumps arena for sure

[clever hearth]

meth says zombie vesti should be fun

better than zombie sbs maybe

[paper stump]

im already running zombie sbs, if vesti winds up being even better then...

[alpine ether]

Core hits now give the same burst gen as non core-hits. Heh.

When did they fix this?

Maybe Tsukino knows.

[zealous pagoda]

it's over

[paper stump]

Is that a burst gen nerf?

[muted river]

No, Kisenix just crazy

[paper stump]

Makes sense

[spring jay]

He breathed in too much of Emma's "environment"

[paper stump]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1070577846650683464/1402663059771625595/emma_scracthing.gif

[unique oriole]

oh wait she's going to com tomorrow right

[zealous pagoda]

No enhua?

[paper stump]

Special vesti banner just for him

[muted river]

Next week

[unique oriole]

ahh okay thanksss

[alpine ether]

Btw does her basic attack also trigger True DMG if hitting multiple parts (True DMG on each)?

[idle minnow]

unknown as of yet

iirc a2 only triggers once,

but will trigger on different units?

i forget laplace iirc the s1 triggers per part and the burst laser triggers per part but 1 is different wording and 2 isnt rl it becomes pierce

emilia triggers per part with this

a2 wording

a2 hits, 2 guns part dmg + body hit + 1 proc

a2 on multi unit as well i guess i may as well post

if vesti doesnt proc on parts shes ogre in my books

[edgy onyx]

she should proc per part to break those 4 eyes

[idle minnow]

the proc should be on body regardless no?

like u hit part then proc on body

itd be better for her if this was the case overall tbh because then u get higher uptime of s2 even with squishy parts

[edgy onyx]

That is the only way to sell her this raid

[idle minnow]

it wont break 4 eyes tho

cuz her normal dmg is pretty weak

and s2 on body right

[edgy onyx]

Will be dead afterward

S2 on part

[idle minnow]

only burst breaks

[idle minnow]

have we ever had a proc on part dmg?

emi/laplace is on body isnt it?

[edgy onyx]

.

[idle minnow]

i think the better way to sell her is u let her s2 not hit parts so it stays up -> burst kills parts

because if ur not doing 4 part+body times s2 ur dmg is kinda bad

so u want to have those parts up as long as possible to farm s2 dmg on body

without dying

which is s2 hitting body to not kill them anywhere near quickly

if i kill part in 1 volley then im only getting 1 volley of extra dmg, if i kill part after 15 volley i have 15 volley of extra dmg

[edgy onyx]

Parts are very tanky, full laplace burst cant even kill one

[idle minnow]

[alpine ether]

Eunhwa is the part breaker bro

[idle minnow]

tell gatrix that not me

im on the boat of she wants parts alive to hit body instead

[zealous pagoda]

Chat hear me out

Emma enhua vesti + Isabel arcana

Cook?

[formal wigeon]

I told u B4 that

I Don't think

A2 procs more than once

Vesti will also not proc more than once I think

The wording doesn't suggest more than one proc

[idle minnow]

i literally have screenshots above

part procing: a2 1proc regardless of part, emilia multi proc, laplace multi proc?(i think? i forget but vaguely recall this, some1 with treasure go test)
target procing: a2 1 per target, emilia 1 per target, laplace 1 per target (all of these excludes terrain/cover)

[formal wigeon]

Laplace has a part skill

Emilia has an all damage increased skill

[idle minnow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1402623592188870806/1405338310938857563/image.png?ex=689f1f8b&is=689dce0b&hm=523d284c5e44b3e8d8c39a39f9c0f0424a29df151fe5d152d01ba140dbb40dc1&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1402623592188870806/1405338785469698098/image.png?ex=689f1ffc&is=689dce7c&hm=f4e45f4da4e953ee4eb324c316423adea25832f9438ff0b78efc7ee17f4c5e98&

condition text is mirrored anyways

thats why i say unsure, its magic and they didnt give us info

[formal wigeon]

I see

[alpine ether]

Overload Recs

• 16 Ammo (PvE) → Enough for one FB, force her to reload between FB, so you can swap to TEunhwa/other units for burst gen. More Ammo may prevent you from swapping, and she may be forced to reload in the next FB. I think 12 (9s uptime + 1.67s reload per magazine) is too smol; 16 (12s + 1.67s reload per magazine) is a lil' too much but better. Always reload before her own Full Burst.
• For context, Siren's CDR is 7.48s (12.52s) and DWife's is 7s (13s), which is < than TVesti's 4 sequences, but maybe Burst Delay from clicking button compensates it?
• 16/17/18 Ammo (PvP) → To make sure she never reloads until the end of Full Burst.
• 4× ELE, 4× ATK
• CRT Rate/DMG/ChargeSpeed (PvE), Charge Speed (PvP)
• Useless: CHG DMG/Hit Rate/DEF. More Max Ammo can brick (PvE) because may need manual to waste ammo/force reload.
• Max Ammo non-multiples of 4 = brick (IF not manualed; you must waste ammo/force reload). 4+1 = VERY bricked. 4+2 = VERY bricked. 4+3 = Kinda bricked.

Cube

• Resilience (PvE)
• Bastion (PvP)/Tempering (PvP)

Skill:

• S2 > Burst >>> S1

Doll:

• Doesn't really need SR 15, but she's good enough that she deserves one. Also CP boost and Damage Reduction.

Glossary

• Waste ammo = Waste your remaining ammo, so you can force reload and swap to another char.
• Force reload = Sitting on the char to prevent her from shooting, forcing her to reload.

[crimson gale]

Dafuq now she's good after being mocked for a week

[alpine ether]

You should know by now that Snake always mocks new units.

Well, technically the mocking is for Bossing.

She's better on mobbing.

[ebon hare]

uuh what is there to mob when u clered campaign and tower?

one of the biggest bottlenecks in campaign are also bosses

and some volleyballs stages

[alpine ether]

Bro you started 1 year late

And u cleared everything already?

[alpine ether]

Idk not my fault youre rushing

[ebon hare]

[spring jay]

What maximizes TU Vesti pve dmg?

TU Emma, TU Eunhwa, TU Vesti, EVA1 Rei, DWife?

Or use EVA1 Asuka?

[dawn zephyr]

rei ofc

asuka is useless for vesti

[zealous pagoda]

is DKW better than Siren if you only care about one team?

i guess DKW has a 1% higher attack damage buff so if you only want vesti's bar to be as fat as possible and only care about making one team because siren's passive damage taken applies to all damage instead of just vesti's?

[edgy onyx]

Siren should contribute decent personal dmg

while D is just

[polar crown]

how would dkw be better

[edgy onyx]

there

[polar crown]

dkw gives 5% attack dmg off burst

siren gives 5% dmg taken and has personal dmg

also 4% attack dmg

she’ll also help with burst gen since emma is a mg

[zealous pagoda]

DKW gives 1% more attack while Siren gives 5% damage taken, arguably better burst gen and personal damage

HOWEVER

she makes vesti's bar look smaller because her own and other b3's are bigger

[muted river]

Campaign and normal tower, I guess, since Elysion tower would obviously use DKW

[spring jay]

True damage is an oxymoron

It's simply damage which ignores defense, hence buffs which causes ATK to exceed enemy DEF by as much as the enemy's DEF... is equivalent to true damage type

Your carry: 10 atk. Enemy: 2 def.

Your team buffs carry by +2 atk. Grats, you changed carry to fake "true" damage - effectively.

So it takes an incredibly high DEF opponent. Like Mirror Container, Indivilia. And I suppose Ziz's eyes, now.

Because then ATK buffs are pretty inefficient answers or the DEF is too sky high.

[edgy onyx]

I think they should name it Ignore Def Damage

and save True Damage for something else

[spring jay]

I'm used to Penetration or Armor Penetration being for that. In this situation, it would be 100% Armor (DEF) Penetration

I've also seen it be called Piercing, but that's obviously off limits in Nikke

[edgy onyx]

it was old term in Destiny Child

[alpine scroll]

what true dmg should entail ?

[edgy onyx]

in DC, all DoT dmg is true dmg

can't be reduced, only blockable by immune

which was the only way to deal with tank in PVP

in PVP, tank had so high def DPS dealt low dmg to them, and there was an OL that healed you everytime you were hit

100% chance to heal 500 hp, which was even higher or roughly the same dmg you received from DPS

impossible to kill lmao

[zealous pagoda]

Just call it pierce damage because it pierces defense

I hate the gimmick damage type thing they're doing

I guess it helps with power creep because they can print the same buffers 5 times before needing to increase values but all standard DPS are one SR units and every new pilgrim shits on everything that came before it anyway

It doesn't help that half of the gimmicks are just conceptually awful

Pierce and distributed have obvious use cases but you can't see enemy defense and if you start doing 1 damage it might be a hit count thing so you won't know when to use true damage units unless someone tells you

And sustained damage requires the boss to go invulnerable often which isn't fun and it is mostly 5-10 second debuffs so it doesn't even guarantee you'll get the damage ticks

Might as well add gun type buffs and boss weaknesses

[muted river]

You can see enemy defence buffs tho

[zealous pagoda]

Does that help if they just make stuff with base high defense that doesn't need to defense buff itself like indivilia and ziz balls?

[muted river]

I mean, defence has varied between bosses since the beginning of the game

I think that being able to see enemy stats ingame would be useful for sure

[zealous pagoda]

with pierce and distributed you get some sort of visual hint to use them

hmmm this boss spawns mobs that need to die, i should probably unzip my sbs

[muted river]

Pierce is deceptive tho

You see "pierce" even if there's nothing to pierce

[zealous pagoda]

with true damage you basically need to know how much damage your unit is supposed to do

it says pierce because it's the damage type

true damage is visually different too

[muted river]

Same goes for ATK buffs and DEF down debuffs then

[zealous pagoda]

it's just distributed and sustained damage that don't look different but that's probably because they barely matter half the time

[muted river]

Mast (normal one) has the ability to make everyone deal true damage, technically

Just reduce boss DEF to 0

[zealous pagoda]

me pulling out my sheet of how much the dps units i have on my team do per burst on shooting range naked, adding my buffs and comparing it to the numbers i see on the boss

[alpine ether]

Not if the boss def is too high

Its ATK buff in disguise

True DMG is variable ATK buff

Shit can go from 0% to infinity

[muted river]

Pretty sure there's no boss in the game with higher DEF than our units

[zealous pagoda]

Mast can't really stack her debuff on ziz balls

unless they somehow inherit it from the body

[muted river]

Not sure about parts, ye

Not that Mast is good in the first place

[zealous pagoda]

treasure soon

[muted river]

She was our first evidence that true damage is mid unless gimmick boss like MC

[zealous pagoda]

the issue is that to make true damage viable they need to crank def so high that it cucks everyone else, ideally so much that it becomes worth using it over stronger general buffers or it makes running off element true damage units over element matching

[muted river]

Oh wait, new No Limit bosses get absurd stats, so nvm

[zealous pagoda]

and since defense isn't percentage based, you can still beat it with units that have big single nukes

[muted river]

300k DEF at Step 20

[idle minnow]

true damage is just caster's atk but scaling off enemy defense instead of another nikke's atk

[zealous pagoda]

true damage will come back when power creep gets to step 20

that's probably how long it'll take them to release a real true damage dps after absolute too

[grave rose]

Has distributed damage ever been used consistently outside of SBS?

I also dislike that most specific buffs are useless in general, but that's because B3 pilgrims dominate the meta in terms of damage

[muted river]

Dorothy

[alpine ether]

Forgetting Bready is crazy.

[muted river]

Didn't forget

They said "consistently"

Bready dead outside of water raids

Not even above 90% top 50 even in water raids

And she was only used mainly as distributed in the first; she was mainly sustained damage vs Kraken

Only people who used her as distributed were those whose sustained damage comps probably couldn't break tentacles fast enough

[zealous pagoda]

Bready qeq basically

There aren't any other distributed damage units

[zealous pagoda]

How do you use sustained Bready on kraken if you spend half the fight shooting tentacles

Bready needs to hit 3 charged shots every 5 seconds or she drops the debuff

Her sustained damage isn't sustained at all

[grave rose]

I did forget Dorothy, I honestly don't remember if she ever had supports in her team dedicated to boosting distributed damage

[muted river]

Hit the shots, ez

[muted river]

No, because her damage was basically just supplementary to the team

"Hi, I'm Dorothy and I deal damage while giving cdr"

Plus, her distributed damage is unaffected by element, which makes it much worse than any other unit's

[muted river]

If you're counting QeQ, then Phantom and 2B as well

cuz distr damage isn't actually much of QeQ's DPS overall

[grave rose]

So it really is just SBS

[zealous pagoda]

Imagine running Phantom

[grave rose]

If true damage ignored damage loss from red BP, that would be a different thing entirely

[muted river]

Don't worry, that'll be the 2026 feature mechanic

[alpine ether]

@idle minnow In light with my previous question, does Skill DMG also damage parts (kill them faster)?

Cindy doesn't.

But does A2 do?

TVesti?

Does explode damage affect her true dmg?

I wonder

[formal wigeon]

no

it doesnt

[formal wigeon]

no

[idle minnow]

All procs have been on body

Like all procs ever created not just for rl

Emi/a2/laplace r all body iirc

Mod sbs Cindy xlud ect are all body

So unless they decided to do something special like how raven burst affects parts (but this time without mentioning it) expect bpdy

Technically this can be a good thing

Like if u think indi AI her parts r paper af when you actually do DMG to them tbh(shoot them with Alice burst and tell me how fast it breaks)

Keeping her parts alive gives you more damage because of the splash

Because her rocket is a spoon to feed the s2 procs into the boss

So doing DMG to body for hitting parts will preserve the parts for you to feed more damage into body

[spring jay]

Under 25 hours to the rise of the Besti

[idle minnow]

Is besti good yet

[spring jay]

Is besti good yet? No
Is besti besti yet? Yes

Jokes aside, we will find out in a few days Patience

And try not to fall for any initial hypes or rumors

[idle minnow]

i expect most of whats discussed here to be true tbh, hit gluttony = very mid, 4 part+body splash = good, hitting body with the s2 proc is also a benefit imo, pvp 5 target splash? very good

[spring jay]

Will I get smacked if I try to post 5 images somewhere on this server? In a single post

Nvm, I tried it and I survived

Besti Posti

[unique oriole]

hii guysss

[dawn zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[keen cairn]

vesti can't kill gluttony

[paper stump]

Resident evil collab soon

Skip midsolute

[crimson gale]

jesus i hope they never do trio again.. game has felt more dead then usual the past few weeks

[signal torrent]

time for confirmation?

that's jill valentine

using a handgun

please be handgun in game

[hazy minnow]

IT'S VESTI CHAT TALK ABOUT VESTI

[crimson gale]

dafuq? nikke resident evil??

[paper stump]

MLB Vesti or nah bru

[signal torrent]

tests?

[wintry saddle]

waiting for real test

[high vault]

listening

[dense skiff]

where's gatrax? the founder of vesti is besti church?

[lofty dune]

Bruh wtf, so mid

[sudden cargo]

No one cares about her in pve, where pvp vids

[toxic dust]

using Vesti alone might be better

[lofty dune]

Without Emma and Eunhwa you say?

[ebon hare]

stats? what elemental weakness?

[lofty dune]

Fire weaknes
Skills 8/9/9

Helmet OL lv5
Arms OL Lv. 4
Body OL lv. 0
Legs T9 lv. 0

[honest spruce]

and what ol stats?

[ocean verge]

@sudden cargo

[sudden cargo]

Ol lines?

[signal torrent]

yo wth

that looks not bad

[ebon hare]

deleted

when kill before burst tho

[sudden cargo]

Dmg is lower than expected

Unless low invest

[signal torrent]

in pvp straight up better burst than emilia

worst burst gen ofc

[idle minnow]

wym she onyl shot once cuz noah invulned before the shot that killed them

[dense skiff]

can you try fighting a non-noah team lol