#[Eunhwa: Tactical Upgrade] New Unit Megathread

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rare notch
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My shooting range test rankings while trying to control things so that they're comparing against TU Emma & TU Eunhwa, as fairly as possible given lvl200 Emma & Eunhwa with 10/10/10 skills and lvl5 T9s.

All numbers rounded down to first decimal place.
Electric boss.
Boss has core.
Does not favor piercing multiple hitboxes.
B1 CDR is always Volume 1/4/4.
HelmT when used is 10/10/10 and offburst.

  1. Crown & HelmT - 2.9b Ein, 3.6b LaplaceT
  2. Tia & Naga - 2.4b Ein, 3b LaplaceT
  3. Grave & HelmT - 2.3b Ein, 2.8b LaplaceT
  4. MMast & MAnchor - 2.3b Ein, 2.6b LaplaceT
  5. Grave & Naga - 2b Ein, 2.6b LaplaceT
  6. TU Emma & TU Eunhwa - 2b Ein, 2.5b LaplaceT
  7. Blanc & Noir - 2b Ein, 2.3b LaplaceT
  8. Grave & (EMPTY) - 1.8b Ein, 2.2b LaplaceT

So basically, vs enemy with consistent core uptime, and assuming TU Eunhwa doesn't have stellar personal damage, it's an autobenched duo
If, TU Eunhwa does have stellar personal damage, then it's salvaged against Fire-weak
I am not willing to pump my TU Eunhwa up to find out KEKS I also haven't pulled her yet

trail sphinx
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I threw like 50 pulls at her, got nothing MadgeClap

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so imma just wait for vesti, maybe I skip both duos

rare notch
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Unionmate got 3 in 30 pulls, with all 3 coming as a triple hit in the third ten-pull

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Lucky DoroAhuhe

trail sphinx
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tell him to go fck himself RaidenEatShit

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eunhwa personal dmg shouldn't be beating grave based on my napkin meths

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maybe someone can brick their acc to test

dim fox
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spoiler: pilgrim will have and deal true dmg. you have been warned

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this pattern has been observed with old mast and 2b, then rouge and cindy. it's so obvious

trail sphinx
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but me broke

trail sphinx
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somehow still weaker than rapipi

serene vortex
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Absolute would have been saved if you could force rapi b1

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But they're trash because you can't run with rapi b1

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Kind of kino

blissful talon
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On Regular DPS, nice daydreaming.

trail sphinx
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with emma pair? you sure?

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it didn't seem like it

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I mean eunhwa dmg personally with relevant comp buffs

blissful talon
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For True:

  • Tia Naga (Core) → Fickle
  • Tacticals
  • Grave1
  • Maids
  • Grave2
  • Tia Naga (Non-Core)
  • Bunnies

For Regular:

  • Tia Naga (Core) → Fickle
  • Grave1
  • Maids
  • Grave2
  • Tia Naga (Non-Core)
  • Tacticals
  • Bunnies
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My quick math.

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Take with a grain of salt.

iron ermine
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Wait until 3rd anni Pilgrims make true dmg raise

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Like how Mihara Raven revived SRos

serene vortex
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Ah yes

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The true damage comps

obsidian fossil
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true dmg is there

serene vortex
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There's like three units

obsidian fossil
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also I need to verify later but

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should only happen DURING BURST

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oh

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it's body dmg

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nvm

serene vortex
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They're not even the same element so you probably just run matching element instead of vesti/Laplace and only give true damage buff to one unit

obsidian fossil
serene vortex
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Like 70% true damage buff is cool and all but you could run 100% damage from matching element

obsidian fossil
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100% x 1 = 2

serene vortex
obsidian fossil
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70% x 70k = 120k

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pierce heaven btw

trail sphinx
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?

serene vortex
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What if you C7 eunhwa and turn her into your main DPS so she can dodge all those annoying targets highest attack moves from bosses

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Absolute got custom name plates in the kit images so shift up is probably planning to make them good and we just need to wait for anni pilgrim to save them

trail sphinx
trail oar
serene vortex
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Both of them combined are basically just Blanc if you don't have any true damage

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You get 40% attack share instead of 17% but noir is an attacker so 17% of her attack isn't that much worse than Emma and you have to spend your b1 for it

meager violet
tawny flint
fleet dust
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blanc has the option to go with rouge then you do have cdr and a real flex slot available

tawny flint
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But the bunnies example is Rougeless, because she's busy in Cindy team

fleet dust
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yes but in practice we have more than that limited example

tawny flint
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Which is to say, by that logic, if Cindy team falls off when off-ele, then Rouge will be free to be with Blanc and Absolute support will be hard to consider unless fire and/or huge boss defense

rare shale
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Did anyone invest into absolute

sinful plume
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Waiting on you bud

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Mr top 50 fire raid soon™️

serene vortex
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I spent all my rocks on selegg

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Mom said it's your turn to brick your account

rigid stump
bold verge
fleet dust
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hope they're not absolet after this raid

blissful talon
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@rare shale Find Eunhwa's Burst explosion range pls

rare shale
blissful talon
rare shale
blissful talon
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But not full screen

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Yeah

rare shale
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I actually don't know how to do that @pastel grotto how do I find id of the weapon Eunhwa changes to?

obsidian fossil
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whatever id is, change 1 => 2 (last digit)

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from sheer look, it's normal RL

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can't hit mob behind boss in shooting range

blissful talon
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It somehow hits sideways though

last flare
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It can hit both pincers vs Indivilia, but not the tail

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(when shooting core)

obsidian fossil
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nvm, it's very big

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this is around 750

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1500 will hit everything on my display screen (but not fullscreen)

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I wish they add new color for true dmg

rare shale
blissful talon
rare shale
blissful talon
rare shale
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Ok lemme pull up shottable

blissful talon
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How to open shottable on fon

rare shale
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Json reader obviously

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But I'm on laptop rn

blissful talon
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Wud be funny if it increases with level

obsidian fossil
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throw json here with Eunhwa ID, I can find

blissful talon
blissful talon
last flare
last flare
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Lazy runs, but 7/7/7 Emma/Eunhwa > a non-hyper invested Midhara with Eunhwa kekwwa

rare shale
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Bro what is this 💔💔

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I can't read

obsidian fossil
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how do we call Anis bot to find Eunhwa ID?

blissful talon
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Mihara slot pressure is crazy

last flare
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That Emma has no OLs as a note

blissful talon
last flare
obsidian fossil
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1009502

rare shale
obsidian fossil
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I assume this is ID

last flare
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My Mihara does have ATK, just not super high amounts

obsidian fossil
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then search

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Anis, id for Eunhwa Tactical

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where

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probably

blissful talon
obsidian fossil
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Emilia big

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probably Vesti big too

blissful talon
obsidian fossil
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be able to hit all 5 in PVP

blissful talon
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U can find

obsidian fossil
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also Kira can GET the value from Blablalink too but I can't

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F12 = pause site

obsidian fossil
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same as Emilia burst version, both 1500

rigid stump
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BlancStare 2rl noah cant block her?

blissful talon
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I just realized

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Tvesti burst gives 100% range

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Nah pvp god

fleet dust
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for pvp b2 defensive nikke usually have their effect on allies later than b2 dps can deal dmg

blissful talon
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It's SBS but without weakness

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1800% every 3s

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True dmg

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  • instant nuke
obsidian fossil
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1800% what

blissful talon
obsidian fossil
blissful talon
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And buffed normal attacks damage

obsidian fossil
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this is true dmg alone

blissful talon
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I of course dont count 1.5

obsidian fossil
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who even cares about basic attack

blissful talon
obsidian fossil
meager violet
obsidian fossil
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with 7500% true dmg over 10s

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you just die

obsidian fossil
blissful talon
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TEmma + TEunhwa + TVesti = instant snipe

meager violet
blissful talon
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TVesti solo = LaplaceTr + Instant AoE + Emilia/SBS without wakness

meager violet
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press red circle once then blue arrow

blissful talon
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Rip Noah

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Cindy too

obsidian fossil
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wow bro just figured out what I said day 1

blissful talon
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SSS unit?

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SS probably

obsidian fossil
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SSSS unit

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impossible to stop her in PVP

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stall? die

sinful plume
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Then how to counter

obsidian fossil
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it takes Noah AND Noise and you still die

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one way

blissful talon
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Can we drop sanis to SS

obsidian fossil
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we can drop everyone 1 tier to make room for Vesti

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the god-emperor

sinful plume
obsidian fossil
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I saw P1 zombie Scarlet stun by Siren, died
P1 SBS stun and died during bug period (SBS ignored immune)

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and the fun part with Vesti is, she can be stun by Siren

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THEN Noah blocks her for another 3s

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and she still kills you with 4s left

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such balance

sinful plume
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Surely she can’t do that much being just 0lb

blissful talon
obsidian fossil
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only way to make that not happen is SU decides to only let S2 proc on main target

blissful talon
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SAnis to SS

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TVesti to SSS

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Fair

obsidian fossil
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doesn't matter, because Vesti can't be stop

blissful talon
obsidian fossil
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by who?

blissful talon
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Just indom back

obsidian fossil
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definitely not Miley Cyrus

blissful talon
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Well not if Blanc gets popped before FB

obsidian fossil
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yeah

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with 80% ele

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she should kill Blanc before Blanc can even burst

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and because her AoE is 750 base

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being P1 P2 P3 = dead

sinful plume
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wtf bro

obsidian fossil
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may be dmg reduction team (Moran Nero) can hold a candle

sinful plume
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I hope you’re wrong sadge I’ll stockpile mats for the week

obsidian fossil
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oh nvm

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healer in Moran team has 70% dmg reduction max

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so you still receive 30% of Helm burst dmg as true dmg

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and there are some chip dmg from her auto

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oh wait silly me

obsidian fossil
spring thunder
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is this vesti theorycraft coming from her bursting alone or are you including eunhwa into this pvp comp?

obsidian fossil
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solo Vesti

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60% from her burst alone.
40% from Blanc if you feel like zombie Vesti

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50% from Full burst bonus

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making that 266% => 893.76%, PER HIT

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and she hits 4 over 3s

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12 over 10s

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which means even Moran Nero team will die lol

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especially Nero, with 100% dmg reduction but shafted 40% by Blanc

sinful plume
blissful talon
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TVesti burst gen is delayed

sinful plume
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I hope the autistic mf in my arena don’t hear of this

blissful talon
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23.4 @100 frames

spring thunder
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dont worry guys, SU will definitely nerf this 1 hour before released

last flare
spring thunder
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if it gets this stupid according to gatrix

sinful plume
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She’s the most powerful PvP unit then isn’t she

obsidian fossil
sinful plume
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Right after scorlet

obsidian fossil
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in PVP, all bonus dmg apply to whoever get hit

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exclude Maiden

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she's specifically noted that only affect main target

last flare
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Oh, I mean

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Take PvP solo Vesti talk to Vesti thread please

blissful talon
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No it says affect target closest to crosshair

last flare
obsidian fossil
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oh true

last flare
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This is Eunhwa thread

obsidian fossil
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who

last flare
blissful talon
obsidian fossil
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mid character

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🚮

last flare
blissful talon
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So ure saying TVesti is bad in PvE but god in PvP?

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Thats quite

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Ironic

spring thunder
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are we still waiting for vesti before deciding to pull for the tacticool squad?

blissful talon
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Since she hits 7500% TRUE dmg

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Bad in PvE

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Hmm

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Doesnt sound like it

obsidian fossil
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wow it takes 10s to deal 1 Helm burst

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and Helm burst = 50% of her total dmg only

blissful talon
obsidian fossil
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which is pointless in Bossing

last flare
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I'm actually liking Emma/Eunhwa for Indivilia now delugiggle Much more comfy

meager violet
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one is true otherone is false

obsidian fossil
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PVE it's okay, I think Vesti will have her use in mob stage

blissful talon
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Is she SS then in Campaign

obsidian fossil
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I feel like running Emma Eunhwa Vesti Mihara Rapi for fun

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will do when Vesti is released

blissful talon
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Maybe SSS?

obsidian fossil
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actually

blissful talon
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I think SSS

obsidian fossil
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may be, that 266% true dmg is meh until she swings them like Cinderella

rare shale
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SS

blissful talon
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Definitely SSS in Campaign

rare shale
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Can't be RRH Rh level good

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Imo

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They're crazy

blissful talon
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?

obsidian fossil
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can't test, cuz I cleared both mine and my friend Acc

blissful talon
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Bro hits Emilia range

obsidian fossil
obsidian fossil
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huh

sinful plume
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Oh nvm you meant campaign

blissful talon
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She is def better than Alice

obsidian fossil
sinful plume
obsidian fossil
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may be I can test a bit on tower

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friend's acc is still in 930F

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so 120F left to grind

rare shale
obsidian fossil
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be better

rare shale
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They always say they're better than Alice

blissful talon
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And hits the whole screen

rare shale
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So does A2 so does Emilia

blissful talon
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And TVesti is TRUE damage

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Hello sir

rare shale
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Single target pierce damage is pretty good man

blissful talon
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Youre comparing 2 units with ZERO ATK

rare shale
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It's hard to beat

blissful talon
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Versus 1 unit with TRUE DMG

rare shale
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Well vesti is 1 weak away

blissful talon
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Week*

rare shale
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But I don't doubt she's good for claogn

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Great

blissful talon
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Definitely SSS

rare shale
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Campaign

blissful talon
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wanted to say SS but then Gatrix made me rmb she has 1500 range

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Doesnt even need TEunhwa TEmma

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Actually TEunhwa TEmma is a joke here

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LMAO

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The fuck is 20% ATK + 30% explode dmg for

obsidian fossil
blissful talon
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Doesnt even buff her true damage

obsidian fossil
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single target dmg of Alice

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actually higher but will be offset by high def of mobs

blissful talon
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Yeah but it core hits

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Multiply by 2

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Well not 2

obsidian fossil
blissful talon
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Better single target

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Worse AoE

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TVEsti burst gen is gonna be crazy for campaign

obsidian fossil
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I feel like Vesti will be 0.7 of Alice single target but Vesti should clean everything

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OH WAIT

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FUCK THE VOLLEYBALL

obsidian fossil
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Vesti is the real answer for Volleyball

obsidian fossil
rare shale
obsidian fossil
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forget Rapi can't be B1 here

last flare
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Just switch Mihara for Siren heh

blissful talon
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No need Emma/Eunhwa

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Just yoink all of them

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Bring TVesti with Crown

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Fuck true dmg

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Why true dmg when u can get ATK and ATK DMG

obsidian fossil
rare shale
obsidian fossil
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huh

blissful talon
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Rapi AoE is not a lot

obsidian fossil
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explosion?

blissful talon
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Most of it is attachment damage

obsidian fossil
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166%

rare shale
obsidian fossil
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like

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88% x2

rare shale
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Really

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Is it really that weak

blissful talon
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Yes

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Lol

obsidian fossil
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88% x2 right?

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trigger every 1s

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over 4s = 704% ATK AoE

rare shale
obsidian fossil
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Vesti is 1702.4%

rare shale
blissful talon
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Remember one thing

rare shale
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Or smthng

blissful talon
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TVesti breaks all terrain

obsidian fossil
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1337% with 90% ATK

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Leet

rare shale
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Damn

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Ok maybe vesti is good

obsidian fossil
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yeah

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btw, that's true dmg only

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I don't even care about her basic attack

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it's quite small but if we add it up, probably 2000% ATK

rare shale
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True damage and basics

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What else

obsidian fossil
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that's all

rare shale
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Really

obsidian fossil
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her burst deals 400% ATK dmg

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like Ein

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meh

rare shale
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That's nothing yeah

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Hmm I can't remember kits for these 3 at all it's so forgettable

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I've looked like 5 times

obsidian fossil
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4/10/8 for Vesti, I call it first

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7 her burst won't reach P5

blissful talon
obsidian fossil
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yeah, 500% x 1.6

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man, her dmg looks so broken in PVP

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burst probably deals 33 ~ 50% max hp as nuke, then finish you over next 3s

blissful talon
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800% nuke

tawny flint
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Nice Eunhwa talk

rigid stump
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BlancStare tldr: vesti is the true answer for 2rl noah biscuit def team?

blissful talon
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How much is defender HP again @obsidian fossil

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Noah HP

daring hull
blissful talon
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1500 is not whole screen right @obsidian fossil @rare shale

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just big area

blissful talon
nimble nova
rare notch
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Looks like the Absolute duo is superior to Grave & Naga

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Though the Absolute duo ranked lower, it's with lvl 200 TU Emma so odds are they'll overtake when using synced level TU Emma with lvl 10 skills. Because of caster's ATK buffing.

blissful talon
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Grave Naga is kinda cope

meager violet
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ofc, but good for a team when solo graves just dies

rare notch
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Idk, why not use something else?

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No shields applied to Naga

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So kinda a waste unless simply need a healer, and plenty of healers to pick from

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Hell could stick Naga with Crown and move HelmT into Grave team, there’s your healer and buffs KEKS

meager violet
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naga for heals mostly

rare notch
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I don’t like what I just said because it ruins the nice burst gen synergies sadge

meager violet
rare notch
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But you get the idea

meager violet
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naga s2 also give a bit of core dmg without shields

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it is something ig

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cover repair on s1

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other than that she is sitting duck

meager violet
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expect helm

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coz im just looking at the final team dmg

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and sometimes in SR going liter grave + 3 dps is legit a pain to survive

rare notch
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Let’s say you run MirandaT, Grave, Snow White, Red Hood as a what-if.

Just stick in WB Alice. You can burst her to heal team, she can proc hits to heal team.

You lose Summer Helm’s debuffing but the problem was dead dps don’t dps as well, right?

meager violet
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that is why naga

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pretty much every have her somewhat build and skilled

rare notch
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I suppose TU Emma can be 5th slot healer now but I think she’s asking to die unless she can stay alive vs the taunted boss through whole fight

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Another healer is Mana if you just want heals and don’t care about 2nd B3 bursts. It’d get back Summer Helm too

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MirandaT, Grave, Snow White, Mana, Summer Helm. Ugly looking team but the only way you can run the perfect Snow White team is if it has no heals TOMstare

meager violet
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i have seen helm in that sw team but not mana tho

rare notch
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Yeah Helm is better if the Snow White is so impactful that buffing her more helps your SR score

meager violet
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well i dont have SW so no problem

last flare
iron ermine
rare notch
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I refrained from saying that you absolutely did dororun

rare notch
iron ermine
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im waiting until last day

serene vortex
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oh right

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i forgot ein exists

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emma enhua ein + isabel arcana

uneven sentinel
last flare
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Mine are 7/7/7 with okay OL rolls atm. Not planning to 10/10/10 unless necessary for top 200 tho

rigid stump
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hold on, dmg reduce affect true dmg ??

obsidian fossil
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true dmg only bypasses def

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reduced by everything else

serene vortex
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fake damage

obsidian fossil
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faker dmg

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faker love

violet garden
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is eunhwa and emma need pair up and a must pull?

mystic tangle
sinful plume
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And winter Vesti

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Maybe autumn Vesti too

rare notch
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Valentine Vesti: Love Explosion

serene vortex
blissful talon
serene vortex
sinful plume
meager violet
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loli lover

candid ember
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Brats 🙁

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Gimme 2000+ years old hags RapunzelLewd

serene vortex
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Ok but they have no booba

violet garden
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as long as there are holes

mystic tangle
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Woah enhwa so bad there's no commotion in chat

trail oar
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Most of this chat was talking about how good Vesti is in pvp tbh

mystic tangle
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So

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You know shits bad because that guy doesn't ask daily if a character is a must pull

violet garden
obsidian fossil
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worst case

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Eunhwa burst between 2 shots

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not only she has to do cover animation but also 0.3s charge time

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making her burst 0.45s delay

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but still be able to wait for B3 landed

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very unreliable unit

midnight beacon
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Is Eunhwa good for Mirror Container? I'm coming up to 32-33 hard, soon

obsidian fossil
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probably

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I can't test because MC AI is too easy

serene vortex
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We're all going to 10/10/10 her right chat?

obsidian fossil
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andddd

serene vortex
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It's gonna go hard with the new pilgrim COPIUM

obsidian fossil
serene vortex
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Fake eunhwa

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Actually unplayable

meager violet
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For some reason the og skin looks better imo

last flare
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Eunhwa's hat is part of her body. One doesn't simply remove it sadsimp

serene vortex
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shit up tried to D her

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unforgivable

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do not fucking boob the flatties

last flare
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Eunhwa has never been flat mainwot

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She's just not a bloat monster delugiggle

wooden cape
rare notch
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So it does seem a lot like they’re suddenly retconning this

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Unless I misremembered

tall hull
vapid spoke
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flat in anime = not being F+ cup

midnight beacon
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Eunhwa is small compared to Anis, Emma, Rapi and even Neon, but she's not flat

last flare
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Very common trope

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Pettanko and hinnyuu are different delugiggle

last flare
vapid spoke
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less than crown…

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😭

sinful plume
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Tactical||ly shit||

last flare
vapid spoke
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sub dps character doing less

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especially on a boss with buffed up def

last flare
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Oh, note I was only bursting with Crown

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So that's unfair kek

vapid spoke
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ahzerotwolaugh

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makes more sense then

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i was thinking to use eunhwa for mc hard when I get there

trail sphinx
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The invest you put into her to make her cp high enough to use is better used on actual meta units

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Cindy hyper with mmast can already do mc hard

vapid spoke
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may just do that then when i get there

rare notch
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By that I mean Grave buffs them twice once for massive atk dmg and again for massive piercing dmg

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Meanwhile, Eunhwa is just 29% debuff and truth damage RapunzelCursed

orchid acorn
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Is the 3 tactical unit a must have?

rare shale
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All skippable

orchid acorn
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Thanks 😊

obsidian fossil
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I swear

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Eungod

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the only answer to high deficit MC + CA

blissful talon
obsidian fossil
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everything is worth if you can deal dmg lmao

sinful plume
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Gatr*x probably spent too many rocks on eungod so he’s coping

obsidian fossil
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4 rocks

sinful plume
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Damn

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Das crazy

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I hope she’ll spook me someday

last flare
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She's actually great for MC for those who have a weak Ein KEKL

sinful plume
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that’s me

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And I didn’t pull

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Stuck on hard MC for the fourth month

shadow geyser