[Dorothy: Serendipity] New Unit Megathread

[lapis ravine]

no, like abandon 1-2 elements

Iron is most expensive

worth dumping

we barely have Iron raids

[rotund geode]

i felt like water was the most expensive today with how many characters we got for it

[lapis ravine]

Fire is definitely not worth dumping

Electric isnt too (well SU loves Electric)

You are now left with Wind, Water, and Iron

I personally take Water any day (but you will compete against people who invest in XGuillo, SElegg, ViperTr, XLud, QQ, Bready, etc)

If you take Wind (you compete with people who invest in SBS [there's a lot], WAsuka, ReiTN, etc)

If you take Iron (enjoy fighting with SW malders and Maxwell husbandos)

[arctic shell]

somehow get your rapipi lines first if you still haven't
most people who didn't work on rapipi to get enough good lines suffered a lot last raid I think

[lapis ravine]

cube mattered quite a lot last raid

Pierce Cube mainly

[rotund geode]

does sdoro use pierce cube or is it still ammo to go

[lapis ravine]

depends

4 ammo can use pierce maybe on some comps

maybe Destruction too

[lapis ravine]

Definitely

does Fire and Iron

but Iron is not worth fighting over imo

[rotund geode]

my most build character is helmtr because i tried to get cs for pvp lol

water may be worth it

[lapis ravine]

unless you already have MirandaTr, good MiharaOS, good Raven, Eve, Rapipi, SW, and Maxwell

and SHelm S2 level 10

that's like minimum kit

since everyone builds Rapipi, let's take that out of the equation

your score (relative to other players) will be determined by the non-Rapipi units

Similarly, people build SBS. like A LOT. maybe all even. if your SBS sucks, then just abandon Wind completely.

[arctic shell]

kraken farmers

[lapis ravine]

if your SBS is good, your score is determined by the investments of WAsuka, ReiTN, Mana, etc

I think Water is most decent right now

not a lot of people build XLud, XGUillo, QQ

and most of them are limited chars

[arctic shell]

I still use viperT when water raid is up cuz I don't build xguillo

[lapis ravine]

Bready was also pit by two meta banners, so not many built her

[lapis ravine]

ViperTr is always good

or you can just focus on Fire + Electric

and have balanced investments across the remaining 3

also works

Water, Iron, and Wind kinda have some niche units not worth investing in

ExiaTr while important is somewhat replaceable without too much impact

[arctic shell]

how's arcana isabel and trina scar compared to exiaT

[lapis ravine]

I think Arcana Isabel will be used

Trina Scar idk

[arctic shell]

trina scar probably depends on another aoe burster ig

[lapis ravine]

well theyre also Electric niches

I actually pointed this out a bit earlier

Raid is getting more biased toward whales

with so many niches and 1%

dont overfocus on it too much

[steel coral]

Harran is aoe burst if I'm not mistaken but she prob not very popular these days

[arctic shell]

I'm casual 1 full run raiders

[lapis ravine]

Top 100 is good enough these days

[sleek ravine]

What rolls do i need for doro outside of ele and atk

[arctic shell]

I'm fine with top 3%

[lapis ravine]

you will 100% lose against element fanatics (people who only invest in Iron, etc)

balanced invest top 100 all raid is ok as semi dolphin/f2p

[arctic shell]

I don't have enough money and time to compete in SEA

[lapis ravine]

device brick large issue

if ure on phone

[sleek ravine]

Im just gonna assume she needs ammo

[lapis ravine]

it can make a top 35/50 acc sit outside top 100

even with min firing adjustment

[lapis ravine]

3 ammo

very important

first 2 is definitely unmissable

[arctic shell]

someone I know got potato pc and min firing rounds still don't help enough for good full auto kraken earlier

[lapis ravine]

3rd is important as f

[sleek ravine]

Damn ok

[lapis ravine]

I didnt build Bready so time to get fked

[sleek ravine]

Is she 10/10/10

[lapis ravine]

and XGuillo and PHantom

ggwppppp

[lapis ravine]

yes

10 10 10 or go home

[arctic shell]

I don't build phantom and xguillo they can be naked lol but I did partially OL them lol

[lapis ravine]

Sin_n is someone I trust a lot

when it comes to compositioning

ask him maybe if u need help

hes good at working around "not having someone"

[arctic shell]

I usually copy top raiders and adjust I'm surviving not missing any 3% frame until now

[lapis ravine]

personally my score is dragged down not by skill

but by my poor team compositioning skill

with his setup, I was able to rank higher in the past

[lapis ravine]

top raiders are not good to copy if ure missing some units

or have some units uninvested

[arctic shell]

I adjust out my uninvested units like copy 3 teams from 1 and another 2 teams from the other depending on uninvested nikke

[lapis ravine]

yeah that works

maybe if u tryhard u can get top 100

[arctic shell]

giving bready skill 2 level 10 was worth for me with my bad lines and starved of rocks to roll

if someone pro pilot my account then maybe can get top 100

I did get top 200 like twice last year iirc

[lapis ravine]

personally I found Bready hard to invest in

[rotund geode]

me too emotionally

everything says invest into water but then i look at her it's like nah

[lapis ravine]

I normally sack elemental sub DPS

And focus on carry DPS

Cindy, Rapipi, and this time Doro

[arctic shell]

I only sacksacc cindy and rapipi
others are all mostly sad

never sacksacc any good dps before those 2

[lapis ravine]

Why u sack them

[arctic shell]

wait wrong word

lol

sacc?

I mean got good rolls on them lol

like luck sacc or something I don't know lol

[lapis ravine]

Funny thing

Sack and sacc

Are similar in meanings

Sacc is either sacrifice or sack

Stylized

From this

Typically sacrifice becomes sac

Sack is sacc

[arctic shell]

should I keep my blue crit damage on rapipi I don't wanna roll 3 rocks so I kept it but that line 1 is the last atk line
she got 4 ele 3 atk 3 ammo 1 cr and that blue crit damage rn

[lapis ravine]

Probably not unless u have a clear goal as to why

Does it give you 300 gems in raid? Or get you Indi title?

If not then dont

Next is Water raid too

Focus on Water

Focus on fixing Doro

Always have a purpose for every plan.

No purpose no execute.

Dont be the "Oh I invested in ExiaTr because Prydwen said so"

Happens a lot

In maincord

[arctic shell]

I'll try for 4 ammo 4 ele for doro
atk kinda bloated by her own buff so not priority
will try to get line 3 either ammo or ele first cuz planning to make doro my carry

[lapis ravine]

3 ammo 4 atk 4 ele better instead

[serene cairn]

No, it's fine ill get it later

Only have 6 rocks left

[lapis ravine]

And make sure doll 15

[arctic shell]

I'm still wondering a bit on hit rate and her sg pellet core hit consistency

[lapis ravine]

So u sacced SElegg

Shudnt have thrown the ELE and kept your rocks for SElegg

[arctic shell]

at least on kraken hit rate seems to help cuz core kinda not too far or too small

[lapis ravine]

Well my bad

Shud have asked u how many rocks u had

[agile estuary]

i kinda wana yolo roll my boots

[serene cairn]

I only hit kraken anyway

[agile estuary]

but i kinda dont

[lapis ravine]

Not worth

Low values

Line 1/2

Not worth fighting over

[agile estuary]

yolo roll boots for ele

and call it a day

[lapis ravine]

Only do it if Line 1 and 2 are both blacks

[agile estuary]

still 190% ammo

yolo = raw reroll

[lapis ravine]

Oh

190% is enough

[agile estuary]

ya thats why i kinda want to

but i kinda dont

[lapis ravine]

Enough

[arctic shell]

rocks gone only got 1 line 3

[agile estuary]

is it enough if i dont noir tho

[lapis ravine]

Drake also same shit

+5

[agile estuary]

i forgor she did something other than atk

drake doesnt come with refill tho right so i have to get the reload timing just right

and not be a poopface

[lapis ravine]

Technically u need this amount of ammo but -2 isnt the end of the day when u can just delay shoot a bit

[digital palm]

Max ammo > atk right?

[lapis ravine]

Above 3, no

[lapis ravine]

You reach breaking point at 3

[digital palm]

Got this, but debating if I should temp lock line 2 and get ele on line 1

[mossy coral]

yo whats focus on doro ol atk+ ele and some ammo?

[digital palm]

That's my 2nd max ammo line , still haven't upgraded the gloves, no fodder

[agile estuary]

ammo ele atk

[lapis ravine]

3 ammo is also breaking point for Siren Crown team

Well close

Not close if u use Bastion

With Resil it doesnt matter

Oh siren refills too

[lapis ravine]

Start from 3

Get ELE first

ELE most important

Even Max Ammo is less important

PRACTICALLY

[lapis ravine]

First 2 ammo is very important

Than 3rd ammo and ELE trade blows imo

[agile estuary]

0-1 ammo doros reloading twice is very pain

[lapis ravine]

Then ELE

Then ATK

[lapis ravine]

She is Alice

Bro

Alice lite

[agile estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389895849911386274/1390369889419661312/image.png?ex=687a775d&is=687925dd&hm=c9ee4e2eba19a1637653de12f88a2da89f7e7f39e30626fd6a16712f11ba869a&
i guess we have reached... the next part of the cycle now

from sora

now meta

[lapis ravine]

We are at no gem?

[agile estuary]

theres definately some people at no gem

[agile estuary]

some1 posted 700 pull 1 copy of doro

[lapis ravine]

Wasnt Siren/Mihara after Bready

[agile estuary]

shhh

just accept the cycle

[lapis ravine]

The cycle is wrong

[agile estuary]

didnt people complain about "midhara"

[novel apex]

Rapi broke the game tbh.. super disgusting unit

[lapis ravine]

It's

Meta -> Niche -> Meta -> Design Grab

Dont trust me?

[agile estuary]

no

[lapis ravine]

Maids -> EVA 2 -> Trina -> Bready -> Crust -> Mihara + Siren -> Arcana -> K -> Eve + Raven -> Sora -> Doro + SElegg

Hmm

Im wrong

[serene cairn]

ALWAYS GAMBLE

[lapis ravine]

Meta -> Meta -> Niche -> Niche -> Niche -> Meta -> Niche -> Design Grab -> Meta -> Design Grab -> Meta

Epic

[mossy coral]

disgusting

gratz

[lapis ravine]

Good

Now ur doro is perfecto

[novel apex]

Only 3 bad units out of that list

[lapis ravine]

Time to bulli Harvester

Get the title

[serene cairn]

My water units as a whole are trash

Besides her now

And maybe Quincy

But ty ty

[lapis ravine]

No need QQ

XLud

[analog pebble]

I know we say Rapi is the best, but I still think Crown is the MVP

[lapis ravine]

Or Rapipi ok

Siren Crown Doro Rapipi HelmTr

Or Doro XLud HelmTr

Or just wait Selegg

[mossy coral]

wish we got some refund books

[lapis ravine]

Not gonna happent ill anniversary

SU is pretty stingy about that

Because they know

[serene cairn]

For harvester?

[lapis ravine]

Buy skill books is the way

Accoridng to them apparently

[mossy coral]

yeah unlucky i been experimenting with pvp units now doro gonna wait for 10/10/10

[lapis ravine]

Crazy yes

[serene cairn]

Can do, all those units are built

[lapis ravine]

XLud built?

[serene cairn]

She's okay, skills wise sure

But not amazing lines

[lapis ravine]

Rapipi probably better then

Probably

[serene cairn]

My rapi is core 6 now but yeah

Much better

[lapis ravine]

Now I realized

U were a popular vtuber

What happened

Why u stopped

[serene cairn]

Decided to persue my IT career and find comfort in guaranteed income and job provided health insurance

[lapis ravine]

Thats so sad

But good

[silk ruin]

The +6 ammo is from tove and the +5 is from drake?

[lapis ravine]

Drake or Noir

[serene cairn]

I'm happier, and still hang out with many people in the space so I'm not missing much

[lapis ravine]

VR chat?

[serene cairn]

Yessir

[lapis ravine]

Used to play that

But on PC

Not on VR

Do u mind if I add u

[agile estuary]

for drake u have to get it right on the full burst reload tho

dont u?

it increases max ammo but doesnt fill

[lapis ravine]

Yeah

Just finish reload right after?

[agile estuary]

ya so u gotta time it to finish reloading right as buff comes

[lapis ravine]

Yes its easy

We have been doing this with PrivM/Boda

Unless

You never minmax them

[agile estuary]

i dont think the avg sg enjoyer does that

[lapis ravine]

Im sure the avg sg enjoyer does that

The avg player doesnt

[agile estuary]

idk about that one

[lapis ravine]

I can assure you

[agile estuary]

the tove variance is insane

[lapis ravine]

WE ALL DO THAT

Ok not all

We

[lapis ravine]

Invest and skill difference

And RNG

[agile estuary]

smth simple is like 2x dmg, tove is like 3-4x

[lapis ravine]

Should narrow

[agile estuary]

i think tove is actually highest varience team?

[rotund geode]

what about snowwhite

[agile estuary]

min dmg 0

[rotund geode]

lol

[agile estuary]

it looks like most of thema re sitting around 4-6b with high rollers at 10

cp spread of tove teams

[bitter isle]

E

[thorny path]

After using her for alittle im happy but question is she worth the mlb

[fair gull]

idk, anni coming soon

[soft basalt]

I think no. It's sweet and all to have a high powered water unit though, and with Tove rng ending the SG team is roaring back to life for neutral and element

This boosts SG vs Fire, Iron, (and now Water) all at once

Because of Drake, BSoda, and SDoro

Idk about MPriv

[visual estuary]

no? how come, idr anything on her not being synergetic w tove

[soft basalt]

Might be that she works. If someone has a strongly built MPriv, why not. Just idk if Electric isn't already completely full (5 teams)

Oh, there's still room

So yeah, guess Tove is sitting at the peak of the shotgun kingdom

For all elements

[visual estuary]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

cindy, xmaiden, sanis, scarlet + trina, isabel + arcana, ein, and texia are all that come to mind barring mpriv, which is 8 units - 9 w mpriv

so ig it's starting to get tight

[oak ravine]

i am out of pulls do i just buy her through ticket?

2 yellow and not even Pilgrim fck

[swift beacon]

can someone pin snake's guide on her pleeeease

#1392826181535137802 message

[fair gull]

that's not snake

[odd osprey]

Considering he actually writes out what those details are, it's accurate

[thorny path]

When anni

[fair gull]

late october

[thorny path]

Have the anni characters always been pilgrims? I feel like it would be super hype to see the new matis

But that might just be me

[fair gull]

yeah but its not unlikely we’ll get at least 1 overspec like at half anni

first overspec was after 2nd anni so

[thorny path]

Yea thats sounds about right when mihara came out they made sure to include that fact even in the story

They probably would’ve made a big deal about that as well during the campaign

[tacit flint]

since her atk is diluted, is this fine to just park on?

this is so cooked, i aint got the mats to build the rest of the shotgun team 💀

[gaunt mulch]

Anyone has idea on
ToveTr Duos SDoro DrakeTr
vs
ToveTr Duos SDoro BSoda?

[deft dagger]

duos as bunnies ?

Doro needs BSoda

ToveT BSoda Doro are irreplaceable

[gaunt mulch]

Bunnies or jks

[deft dagger]

Depend on boss

If need heal, boss doesnt have core, and if you're on low ammo = bunnies

if boss has core = jk

[half halo]

Always go jk unless naga is mad

[deft dagger]

So depend on boss, Drake is benchable

[half halo]

[deft dagger]

To non stop shooting in 15sec

You need 180% ammo

from OL

Which is 3 60% line

Without ammo supplier like Drake/Noir

[gaunt mulch]

Bastion?

[deft dagger]

Always Bastion in SG comp

Unless there's reload spd buffer

[gaunt mulch]

What about ToveTr B2 SDoro DrakeTr CDR

[deft dagger]

that's usable

outside of SR

Water team in UR

[gaunt mulch]

Why not in SR? Can’t it replace the standard sg team we have?

[deft dagger]

If you use Doro in another comp format

SG format will be broken

You can use Doro in other teams

But you cant use other units in SG team

It's like not putting strongest units in 1 team

Cause it's SR

5 teams required

[brisk field]

I still use resil everywhere

I ain't lvling bastion further

[visual estuary]

ammo on doro sounds fucking cursed

i don't wanna roll 4x ammo

[brisk field]

Isn't her reload speed like 1 sec with resil, prob just gonna accept 1 reload

[gaunt mulch]

That's what I was thinking. Could 5 CDR teams beat 4 CDR + 1 SG team just to cater to SDoro? We have enough B1CDR for it and B2 by forcing the original grave team to use one of the duos and then give grave to SDoro. The original grave team could take a slight hit for switching to duos, or not. But I was wondering if the gain from

• ToveTr duos BSoda SDoro
  to
• ToveTr Grave SDoro DrakeTr CDR
  is significant.

Like

• Crown
• Maids
• Electric Cindy
• Grave SDoro CDR
• ToveTr SG
  vs
• Crown
• Maids
• Electric Cindy
• ToveTr Grave SDoro DrakeTr CDR
• Bunnies/JKs non SG
  or even Leona idk

[visual estuary]

think so

[magic breach]

Rock consume meta nikke every month

[deft dagger]

the other B1 CDRs are really bad

DKW and Volume are really really bad now

[gaunt mulch]

So sounds like bsoda is still must have

Aight thanks

[half halo]

only B2 holds SG back

they look pretty solid now

I guess we need to wait till Nayuta to fix them

[silk ruin]

CSM collab part 2?

[magic breach]

[open fable]

just wait treasure marci

[gaunt mulch]

Yes please

[open fable]

actually tmarci will be shit because they already made her gacha skin

[open fable]

thelm was so strong because they sold her gacha skin like 1-2 months after

[last phoenix]

So is she a one copy and dip kinda unit?

[cosmic viper]

Do you usually get dupes

[open fable]

gl getting dupes at 1% rate

[edgy mason]

shes like 2% i pulled her in around 30 pulls

or even 3%

[open fable]

"i got lucky so the rate is not that bad"

[last phoenix]

Yea I try to mlb all 1 % units

[cosmic viper]

Doro may be kinda worth

[last phoenix]

Is she more worth than mihara

Cause I mlbed her too

[cosmic viper]

Yes

[last phoenix]

sweet mlb it is then lol

[cosmic viper]

As far as I'm concerned yes

[floral stump]

Dorosi segg good??

[swift beacon]

is she much more worth it than MLB sanis?

ill wait for prydwen result, i really got traumatize mlb-ing mihara T_T

[brisk field]

my doro decides to come with 4x ammo and that's it

....

[open fable]

mihara is directly competing with rapi in fire element so it’s a bit unfair.

sdoro’s competition in water element is just… thelm/xlud.
in a sense, sdoro sets up the standard for future water dps units to be compared to her.

we now have 1 hypercarry per element at least.
fire+iron = rapi
water = sdoro
elec = cindy
wind = sbs
it’d be nice if iron gets its own but that’s another time.

[brisk field]

very nice

perfect view

helmt

doro has... literally 4x ammo and nothing else (ammo is useless in this comp too)

water weak shooting range

[swift beacon]

hmmm but how about comparing it to other elems like sbs? i saw some vids of sdoro being compared on sbs and it is kind of par

[brisk field]

still water weak

rapipi c3 45% atk max doll
sdoro lb0 0% atk 0% ele (lvl 15 resil) r15 doll

the ele should make up the atk diff a bit

should be x1.29 her dmg

[soft basalt]

I'm satisfied and want to stop tossing rocks at SDoro. SElegg needs to come jiggle for us

[brisk field]

I have very little hope for segg

[swift beacon]

is that a fair comparison, like no OL for sdoro vs full OL for rpai

[brisk field]

well that's why it was in water weak

[deft dagger]

Doro same as Mihara

Strong neutral unit

Both of them have specific comp too

SG and DoT

[uncut pasture]

Rapipi creep when

I need a new toy

[brisk field]

wait for anis

[half halo]

[uncut pasture]

xortaG

[swift beacon]

did you guys mlb doro?

[brisk field]

I probably won't

I'll just mlb her next year if she's still water meta by then

[soft basalt]

^

Though for me, it's mcb her next year

The standing character is the best part anyway

(aside from the butt view in combat)

[bitter isle]

Never

[swift beacon]

imma stop now at 150 pulls haiyaaa hahahahaah i only got 2 copies, so limit break 1 on her

[chilly idol]

Someone wanne test: liter - crown - helm - s.doro - xlud and qeq over s.doro, xlud off burst?

Both closely have the same stats if possible

[kind horizon]

saving degen gamba gems to mlb a 1% unit that'll actually be used in campaign, and not a treasure mandated copegun team on raids

[serene notch]

doro doesn't even use the sg team

she's like a good unit in disguise

[half halo]

huh?

[bitter isle]

I'm sure doropity is one of best water dpses for water campaign bosses ... Like do we need even more units for campaign mob stages? Siren, crown, rapirh, helm treasure, flex team is already so strong

[kind horizon]

and since i already have those I'll just wait to mlb their replacements

[floral stump]

dayum why dorosi so strong???

I really shouldn't dump hundreds buck into this shitty 1% pull

[tough beacon]

my Harvester stage 9, Doro showcase with either a normal team (no sweat) or a DoroTove combo (some sweat) clear. thanks for watching https://youtu.be/ou3IZR5X3X8

this game breaks my rock flow so bad ever since the providence solo raid

[chilly idol]

It is water weak ....

[clear compass]

Helm has two gacha skins

[leaden lichen]

I just put her on syncro and maxxed her burst. Is she meta?

[rugged coral]

Is doro worth it metawise

[bitter isle]

Yes

I still can't believe we got our first limited pilgrim

[rugged coral]

and its 1%

[indigo patio]

Neutral (electric weak boss) 0% atk OL sdoro 40% atk OL RRH shooting range - both C7, SR 15, 10/10/10

[hidden jasper]

In fact, all new Pilgrims can be considered limited, because the chance of getting them outside of the event banner is so low that it's literally 0%

[fair gull]

disagree I got C5 Crown somehow after only getting MLB during her event

[open fable]

it’s not, you can get spooked by it, mathematically it’s infinitely better than not being able to at all. yes I’m being pedantic because I’m hungry atm.

[fair gull]

but yeah all pilgrims are must get during their banner I agree

but knowing she will 100% stay at 0 dupes kinda hurts

[open fable]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-get-haha-looser-gif-21281241

SU be like

your water hypercarry is 1% limited haha!

[kind horizon]

"why are the player counts dropping after water raid?" "we dunno"

[deft dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VceOdSxRtp4

[kind horizon]

"C7"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1197402632441045042/1395415089993224324/IMG_4294.gif

[magic breach]

nothing hard

all you need is luck

[kind horizon]

that's a lot of luck

[bitter isle]

What's the difference between poor vs mlb vs c7?

[hidden jasper]

0% atk, 6% atk and 20% atk

[uncut pasture]

The Money you spend

[bitter isle]

So little

[lapis ravine]

Guess for next raid?

• Siren Crown ViperTr XGuillo/XLud HelmTr
• Liter Grave Doro XGuillo/XLud SElegg
• Rapipi/Volume Maids Bready QQ
• Electric Phantom
• SG Team, or AsukaW/ReiTN

[open fable]

yes but it's about the damage ceiling

so you decide if improving your damage ceiling is worth it

[deft dagger]

just get 4 ele 4 atk 3 ammo and you're fine with lb0

i mean there's no point chasing C7 if you're chilling on 3%~1%

[bitter isle]

What if I get 3 ammo 3 ed and 1 hit rate?

[deft dagger]

then your Doro is just strong in Water only

Since she will be used every raid on SG comp

Strong neutral DPS

[open fable]

i wanna get c7 but lady luck is cucking me

[deft dagger]

send me your acc

let me roll for you

[open fable]

[chilly idol]

🧱

[bitter isle]

Brick by brick

[digital palm]

Ehh I don't know about doro, if kraken ends up doing little to no damage sure

[twin lodge]

Is she worth the pull or just skip?

couldnt find in pinned

[hasty steeple]

pull

[twin lodge]

thanks! Generally i see two messages, one for the recommendations and the other for pulling or skipping, first time i see the link

[novel apex]

Do people heavily invest in water? that's so many mid units feels way more then other elements... i just cba (despite getting lucky on my doro ol rolls) to invest in Xgullio/Phantom.. even bready is just a 7/7/7 one rock and leave unit for me

[lapis ravine]

Just cover

[lapis ravine]

Water has the most mid units

But at the same time

Has the fewest investors

Better for ranking than iron/wind

[lapis ravine]

Mileage

[novel apex]

hmm ill just stick with electric for now.. isabel/scarlet done.. thankfully the newer treasures were kinda ass.. so i can go ahead and level hacker girl

[lapis ravine]

The thread master is burdened by exams

[twin lodge]

ah i see, no worries then! I hope they do said exams with ease and pass on them all

[lapis ravine]

Doro is a high priority, or rather a must pull (not as important as RRH or Siren but is up there). Using Mileage is preferred because 1% is... a low chance, despite rebates.

• Good for Water-weak bossing content; more like best Water DPS right now.
• Likely used in Neutral element in SG team in Raids.

Unit characteristics

Highly dependent on investments (very expensive) and enemy types (whether there is core or pierce, which SIGNIFICANTLY elevate Doro's damage because all her attacks can core-hit). Also dependent on boss distance (0.3x multiplier) and enemy range (if Doro can't hit pellets, she can't trigger S1 ).

Dupes are welcome; Doro has a lot of self ATK buffs. Not mandatory ofc but good for topping SR ranks. Because SU is pushing a lot of 1% recently, F2P should not get dupes.

Notable synergy (other than Crown)

Siren (Damage Taken), Grave (Pierce), Mari (Pierce if core present), Tove, Boda, Blanc, Noir DrakeTr, Leona, XLud (Damage Taken), SElegg (ELE), XGuillo (ELE), HelmTr (burst gen)

Investments

• Skill: 10/10/10 or go home
• OL: 3x Ammo min., 4x ELE > 4x ATK
• Cube: Bastion mostly; in some cases, Pierce/Destruction might pull ahead—using the last 2 cubes requires 4x Max Ammo.
• Doll: Must SR 15 because SG Doll improves basic attack damage, which is Doro's only source of damage.

[hasty steeple]

ew yapper pinned

[grave shadow]

I mean the early analysis covers all of that if people actually clicked on the link in pins

almost as if it was written by 1 of the better players on NA

[fair gull]

ppl dont wanna have to click a link tho

[lapis ravine]

Please repin my msg.

N3x hates me.

[fair gull]

im not going into pin war with other maids

sorry kisenix

[hasty steeple]

[lapis ravine]

@cosmic viper Pin and manage your maids, please.

[hasty steeple]

why does image not load

discord ded again

[grave shadow]

works for me?

[fair gull]

that sounds sexual

[lapis ravine]

You literally sent two of the same pics.

[hasty steeple]

the first one didnt load in app or browser

[lapis ravine]

Because N3x is doing mod abuse.

[grave shadow]

I mean snake was suppose to seggs the maids smh

[lapis ravine]

More like maid abuse.

I'm calling other mods.

[dull flicker]

Does 1 doro enough? I don't think i can lb with all these bs

[fair gull]

always enough

[grave shadow]

yes

[lapis ravine]

@minor swan, your maid unpins my helpful message because of personal grudge. Please repin. #1392826181535137802 message

Does Paradox even open Commcord.

[grave shadow]

just fyi dupes are more of a luxury than a necessity except for a few very rare cases

but those cases are more so strats to for example be tanky enough to survive in SR without heals/shields/etc

[fair gull]

indivillia title is probably the only thing you need dupes for tbh aside from high rank ofc

[lapis ravine]

Possible without dupes tbf.

Just need 4 black ELE and ATK.

[fair gull]

yea with 110/55

[grave shadow]

just fund me 1000 rocks and 100k custom locks thanks

[lapis ravine]

Will that give me privilege to control over all Maids.

[grave shadow]

I ain't no head maid

[lapis ravine]

Who is head maid?

[grave shadow]

the yes yes yes you

[lapis ravine]

The who

[grave shadow]

your name

[fair gull]

Not Not Snake

[lapis ravine]

Snake? He doesnt have the head maid role anymore though

[fair gull]

[grave shadow]

[lapis ravine]

I am reporting this maid abuse to the mods

[fair gull]

I am reporting this mod abuse to the maids

[lapis ravine]

Unfortunately Im not a mod and hence it's not a mod abuse

[uneven nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/tomfoolery-cat-gif-20855967

[lapis ravine]

Please pin.

[minor swan]

@hasty steeple what is this about

[uneven nebula]

Docs here time to dip

[hasty steeple]

idk what did he say

[minor swan]

Well say something that explains, why

[hasty steeple]

bro idk what he said

[minor swan]

Why was the resource unpinned

[cosmic viper]

Stop fighting for now I'll handle it later

I'm working atm

[minor swan]

Alright I'll leave it to you

[uncut pasture]

Don't pin bibles thanks

[open fable]

thou shalt not urinate in thy neighbor's yard

[lapis ravine]

Who is thy neighbor

[chilly idol]

dude do NOT need a 2 story wall of text as pin, just go like:

Pull? Yes
Skill: 10/10/10
OL: 3x Ammo min., 4x ELE > 4x ATK
Cube: pref bastion
Doll: SR 15

[hasty steeple]

massive wall of text that is not meant to be pinned, any version of TLDR can be pinned but not a whole article

[chilly idol]

^ meant to the yapper

[rotund geode]

first limited 1% character that makes the mods fight

well done sdoro

[chilly idol]

it is mostly the yapper tho

[grave shadow]

there is no mods

[chilly idol]

no drama in life so he looks for it online

[uncut pasture]

[hybrid nexus]

ill help

uhhh guys

doro good

doro powerful

pull doro

[grave shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-toilet-restroom-gif-14343205956687655242

[hasty steeple]

thanks allmighty flat

[grave shadow]

doro shit

[kind horizon]

Doroshi

[digital palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1394609197634551869/doro5.gif

Enough reason to pull

[lapis ravine]

Until someone asks why.

That is not enough information. Overly simplified.

Your phone is big enough for you to find whatever information in the essay yourself. If you're not interested in X, then don't read X. The essay has to be complete for people who want to read the essay, which in this case is not you and N3x. But others may find it useful. Not everyone is "smart" that they understand five liners like yours.

[lapis ravine]

Who started the fight? N3x did.

[chilly idol]

for pin short text is good enough, just link guide for full explanation

[lapis ravine]

Guide will not be available till Saturday/Sunday because we need to polish it.

Some people need early info.

We give early info.

[chilly idol]

https://nikke.gg/dorothy-serendipity-early-analysis/

not enough alrdy?

[lapis ravine]

No?

That's early analysis.

[chilly idol]

it is enough for now lol

[lapis ravine]

Some of the assumptions are not correct, and there is nothing related to investments.

Don't pin early analysis.

If Nikke.gg posts their final guide, sure, pin it.

Early analysis means guesswork.

[chilly idol]

ofc it is

[lapis ravine]

For you.

Not for people who come here for info.

[chilly idol]

ppl asked 1 day after release for full detailed guide are just asking 2 much, no?

[lapis ravine]

You don't need info. I know you are smart. Probably Top 10 NA player idk.

[chilly idol]

im casual pleb

[lapis ravine]

Yes, then what's wrong with me posting a snippet of answers to FAQ?

My message answers four of the most common questions: pull or not, used where/where to expect usage, pair with whom/what team, and investments.

Well, there is one unnecessary paragraph, but it's just one.

[chilly idol]

coz u wrote alot, just command them

[lapis ravine]

Command?

[chilly idol]

yea no need for explanation, pull? Yes

[lapis ravine]

That's too short and doesn't contain enough information.

I can make it shorter.

But that short is too short.

But even if I make it short, that doesn't solve N3x's unpinning my message because of his grudge against me.

[chilly idol]

short is good, if they want more info/explanation just read guide ig

[chilly idol]

prob will tho

[lapis ravine]

It won't. He literally blocked me since 2 months ago after I "debated" with Raon.

[chilly idol]

[lapis ravine]

What guide?

There is no guide.

[chilly idol]

[chilly idol]

this one, good enough for now

[lapis ravine]

Early analysis is guesswork, again.

Like 30% of that guide is alr outdated by the moment Doro is released.

[chilly idol]

then u say, wait/hold for now

[lapis ravine]

Then what's the problem with my mini guide?

Not exactly mini but it's shorter than what Prydwen or Nikke.gg will post.

[arctic shell]

tbh this is dedicated thread for a single character it's not too hard to scroll pinned for me so just pinning all the important stuffs is fine for me

[lapis ravine]

Oh because it's Nikke.gg (where N3x is a writer) and written by our fabulous Kira (I mean I look up to him) that suddenly everything else doesn't matter? Even pretty accurate guides that are written post-update?

[chilly idol]

no probleem, but make a uber short one so that one get pinned and under it the whole paragraph?

[lapis ravine]

If you check old pins from other threads, it's different messages of should you pull, investments, etc. I just combine them into one. Same thing.

N3x unpinned not because it's long.

It's because he just has a grudge against me.

I hope you don't become like him.

Even if you don't like me.

[chilly idol]

i just look at numbers and facts, idc about the rest

[lapis ravine]

Then my text was not directed for you, but that doesn't make it wrong. You would probably find Shinonono's damage charts more useful in that case.

[chilly idol]

where can i find that one?

[arctic shell]

I don't know about mods role but at least he should unblock you to communicate

[lapis ravine]

Funny. It's not pinned as well!

[chilly idol]

u mean with dmg charts like a real graph or just the dmg spread?

coz i alrdy read all msg in this thread

[lapis ravine]

Even Shinonono's youtube vid discussing Doropity's stuff.

Which is undoubtedly more helpful than early analysis.

[lapis ravine]

Damage spread.

Not spreadsheet.

[arctic shell]

I want more stuffs pinned
like those pellets calculation on pellet buffs etc.

[chilly idol]

[lapis ravine]

Pellet buffs are as simple as 8 > 6 > 4, but oversimplified.

Basically, either Doropity/Leona's buff will allow Doro to shoot -2 fewer times to get S1.

[arctic shell]

the number is not rounding sometimes cuz pierce are 3 shots for 3 pellets hit too

[lapis ravine]

Hence oversimplified but it's close enough.

Good approximation.

• Zero buff is 8 + 3 = 11 shots.
• With 1 buff: 6 + 3 = 9 shots. Multiply 6 + 3 each by 11, and divide by 9 you get 7.333 regular shots + 3.667 enhanced shots.
• With 2 buffs: 4 + 3 = 7 shots. Multiply. You get 6.28 regular shots + 4.71 enhanced shots.

[arctic shell]

what's the rough % damage distribution on regular shots vs pierce shots
to be worth getting hit rate for regular shot pellets to all hit core

[lapis ravine]

Cannot be easily determined cus buffs matter.

But to make it short,

It just has 127% higher ATK DMG.

• Pinpoint Accuracy + Pierce

Means whole shot will core hit if core exists + can cleave/multihit.

Without external buffs,

Basically those piercing shots can be said as 2.27x the damage of regular shots.

Against no core/no pierce.

[arctic shell]

so roughly it's like 7.333 * 1 vs 3.667 * 2.27 = 8.324 for distribution comparison?

[lapis ravine]

Doro herself cycles between 0 and 1 buff, while with Leona, it cycles between 1 and 2 buffs. It can be approximated but the difference will be inflated.

[lapis ravine]

Not that big of a difference now is it?

Leona is interestingly not Doro's best pair (not bad btw but not the best).

Like Kira said.

I absolutely agree with what he said. I said the same thing pre-drop too.

[brisk field]

who is?

well except crown

[lapis ravine]

Kira said in the early analysis that Leona is not Doro's best partner.

[arctic shell]

yeah without any other multiplier except crit
running other buffers would be a lot better
SG teams even if doro is strong still depends on other sg buffed by tove to shoot along

[brisk field]

then who is

tove/?/doro/bsoda/drake

[lapis ravine]

Well actually Leona is one of her best partners IF

[grave shadow]

grave works well with

[lapis ravine]

Damage distance works.

As in no damage dist without Leona,

But you get it with her.

[brisk field]

who's best aside from leona and crown

bc I'm not building leona

[lapis ravine]

That makes Leona very strong.

[lapis ravine]

Grave and Mari (with core)

Oh funny.

I wrote that in my guide but N3x unpinned it.

Aw shucks.

[brisk field]

can tove/marci/doro/bsoda/drake compete with bunnies

[arctic shell]

weapon optimal distance for leona was never fixed and help only on some boss right? cuz it was not flat + distance by % or something iirc

[brisk field]

basically marci drake vs bunnies

[lapis ravine]

Just use Naga in that case.

[grave shadow]

I would do blanc/noir tia/naga over marciana tbh

[brisk field]

does naga drake beat tiga then

[lapis ravine]

All I know is Leona DOES make SG have bonus distance against Crystal Chamber AND Kraken.

IMPORTANT INFORMATION.

[grave shadow]

or maybe even wait for a better B2 to come along

[lapis ravine]

They normally don't.

Prepare for Leona shenanigans.

Unless they changed Kraken's distance.

[lapis ravine]

Surely anniv.

Overspec Anis yes.

[brisk field]

I'll pass

you prob need heals for leona anyway

[grave shadow]

naga solo just seems like you're inting so hard

if malding can be done and grave isn't free then leona currently most likely

if healing is required just stick with blanc/noir or tia/naga

[lapis ravine]

Drake wins, I think.

[grave shadow]

and bench drake

[lapis ravine]

If enemy has core.

Tia Naga wins.

Actually im not sure.

[brisk field]

...

for this raid

is tove crown stupid

if qeq/xlud/bready/phantom/xguillo are low invest

[lapis ravine]

I think not doing Viper Crown is a wasted opportunity but I might be wrong.

Crown buffs Viper too cus reenter.

👍

And I think HelmTr will join Crown too for the S2 buff.

That kinda leaves one spot open.

[arctic shell]

crown mast really buffing a lot higher than other team I think
but we probably can't run crown mast this raid so difference between buffer for each team is not so different compared to last raid right?

[lapis ravine]

Maybe Tove ViperTr Crown Doro HelmTr is the play?

[grave shadow]

why not just srosanna vipert bready

[lapis ravine]

Hmm, no, I think Crown Leona IS the play.

[grave shadow]

who's getting crown this SR? idk doro may not even be with SG comp who knows

[lapis ravine]

Tove Crown Doro Leona HelmTr

[fair gull]

Rem Leona

[lapis ravine]

Copium +100.

[fair gull]

I'm the only maid who wanted to pin your message

be nicer

[lapis ravine]

Why not both.

[arctic shell]

Emilia gonna carry

[brisk field]

no vipert

[lapis ravine]

SG comp AND Crown.

[rotund geode]

sg + crown sounds nice but where is my cdr

[lapis ravine]

Leona will give Doro damage distance.

Using Leona as offburst B2 isnt too crazy.

[arctic shell]

went to check my leona she got 4atk but no ele

[lapis ravine]

Hmm...

Would Bready not just join Maids?

I think that's not a bad idea too.

[grave shadow]

why though

[lapis ravine]

Give Maids to QQ and Phantom?

[grave shadow]

sus > distributed damage

[lapis ravine]

We also have SElegg hmm...

XGuillo too.

[arctic shell]

I dont truss pantom.

we got doro and elegg
some other water dps might be benched compared to last raid imo

[lapis ravine]

If its Kraken, I expect high core uptime.

Tia Naga might be good.

Or Crown Naga.

[soft basalt]

6 months to next treasure.

We can pray that it's Leona, for the ultimate SG team comp

15s duration Leona burst buffs.

Even more crit rate (and damage).

Lifeleech on whole team

[arctic shell]

what if they do something like viperT and give 1 more treasure unit at specific event lol

with gacha skin

[soft basalt]

How did that even happen, anyway?

Was it an experiment with frequency and it's now scrapped?

Because I think they won't do it again

[arctic shell]

probably event related too
ssakura sros viperT+gacha skin for swimsuit

[brisk field]

[bitter isle]

Nice

[chilly idol]

is your doro still no ele?

[serene notch]

Dupes are like 2% damage each

And if you MLB you get the cuck chair lobby

[high dome]

ye +0 good enough unless compete for top spots. Only reason is the lobby

[kind horizon]

Next treasure units: quiry, flora, Emma, epinel

[brisk field]

no atk no ele

and yeah this is on water weak

lvl 15 resil

[uncut pasture]

Where's my drama

[deft glen]

how much % ammo is ideal? I'm sitting at 3x ele/4x atk/4x ammo lines, and I can try to swap that 4th ammo for a 4th ele instead and still be at 180% ammo

rerolling helmet with atk locked here

[grave shadow]

180% should be enough

[uncut pasture]

yeah sacrifice that ammo line

yup

[deft glen]

cool ty

[agile estuary]

pray its leona so u need to treasure every unit on sg team

[digital palm]

I lost 1 max ammo tho

[mossy coral]

doro gainsss

[ruby imp]

Reset attributes before element?

[uncut pasture]

Wild

[lapis ravine]

180% shud be ok (maybe)

[lapis ravine]

No, u shud lock atk and ammo and get first line ele

First line is cheap

Don't brick a potential 12/12 overperfect

Her threshold is 200% btw

[lapis ravine]

Why

[deft marsh]

i don't know how i should fix that

[lapis ravine]

Not planning to get ELE?

[deft marsh]

so i should reroll over and over again until i get ELE on the 3rd line?

[lapis ravine]

No but ELE is better than ATK. Whether you only go for ELE + Ammo or start from ELE/AMMO/ATK Line 3 in order to get full set Ammo/ELE/ATK.

Not having ELE nowadays is a big disadvantage in a lot of content.

Esp. Raid.

And Hit Rate is not that good for Doro.

It helps in Campaign but not really bossing.

And you kinda need to stack it up to allow Doro to become better than decent for Campaign.

Ill be honest though, with 4 hitrate probably Doro is gonna be good for mobbing.

[chilly idol]

pure pain but full reroll angle

[lapis ravine]

Just not worth replacing over Max Ammo/ELE & the next best bossing line, ATK.

[chilly idol]

there are a lot of better units than doro for campaign

[lapis ravine]

160% atk is really good though
With 4 hitrate she might beat a lot of campaign units
Esp. Water weak
But just not worth it

Is Doro good for Black Snake?

[kind horizon]

I need 500 rocks at this rate

She’ll get atk arms when the dawg bones shipment arrives in mail

[chilly idol]

I dont think she will be meta for lowest clear, coz u need distr dmg for clones

Then u need someone like m.anchor to survive

On low cp u cant just tank the double spit then u must use helms mega heal to heal between spit

If u have cp then u can use whatever

[chilly idol]

Just get ele and ammo on arm and boots, reroll value on body and u done

Fk atk

Should be 65 rocks or so on avg for u

[kind horizon]

Damns aight

[brisk field]

thx doro

with the 7 rocks today, went from 4 ammo to 3 ammo 10% ele

line 1 ele

she'll prob still be rocking that ammo for the raid

[lapis ravine]

.....

[supple thistle]

Whats ideal ammo %?

[orchid dagger]

post-burst, you want at least 28 ammo with bastion

[supple thistle]

Reloading before she burst? With 28 ammo in magazine and bastion cube?

[orchid dagger]

reload before bursting
time it so that when she's finished reloading, she's in FB
if you have 28 ammo in FB, you're good

[deft glen]

what if I reroll the first two lines on the helmet and hope for ele in slot 1/2, and then reroll ammo values for 200% with 3 lines instead

although I should prob save some rocks for elegg too

[strong walrus]

Does bsoda have bad synergy with SDoro? Got a lot more damage removing her from the team

[open fable]

you used siren crown bruh

[uncut pasture]

lol no cdr 15 seconds Vs cdr

Well maybe bro just woke up and didn't notice what he's asking

[open fable]

the best b1 b2 pairing in the game vs best b2 + bsoda

[half halo]

to funnel doro, you just break 2 teams

[strong walrus]

Maybe this highlights it a little better, I dunno

[uncut pasture]

Again, no CDR Vs CDR

You know more burst you do more DMG

[rotund geode]

goes to show sg team needs cdr

[odd osprey]

Barely

It's more that majority of Siren's DPS activates during full burst, so cdr is way more powerful on her

[rotund geode]

that cdr was dkw

[odd osprey]

Oh, didn't notice different screenshots

[kind horizon]

Is bro trolling

Or he genuinely is thinking he figured sth out

[odd osprey]

Either way, SG comp can only have like 2s more cdr

[rotund geode]

nobody is asking for a cdr that gives 0 buffs outside of it

could be nice on a full core boss

but then dkw has a lot more characters to buff

[kind horizon]

Yea that’s why I’m thinking he maybe trolling lol

[uncut pasture]

even if 1% more of her dmg is fine

[serene notch]

You can just divide the damage numbers

The difference depends on boss defense too

[terse sand]

anyone has high lvl s2 summer mary? can you try this team vs helm offburst?

[uncut pasture]

This cook is interesting ngl

I think you're bursting with Mary

[chilly idol]

can you also pls try, doro/helm/xlud(offburst) vs qeq /helm/xlud (off burst) ?

siren/crown in both pls

[lapis ravine]

Yeah I mean SElegg does that better

[bitter isle]

Yeah but then who's healing?

Unless I misunderstood something

[surreal pendant]

Crown team doesn't need healing in SR

[arctic shell]

that's why crown is meta she even taunt and immune some stuffs too

[terse sand]

this wont work cuz my qeq lines suck... she will lose here

[indigo patio]

yeah not sure why you're getting such bizarre responses to this; yes, I also find replacing bsoda with a B1 CDR gives higher overall team damage when using sdoro on SG team

[chilly idol]

because the current mindset is that tove - doro - bsoda are hard stuck together.
with soda in team doro will burst 5 times? without 7 times?
those 2 doro's burst will make up for the diff in bsoda dmg lose ig

if there were a good b2 cdr then team will look more normal than running a b1 cdr off burst unit ig

[indigo patio]

yeah but all panda seemed to be pointing out was an observation that his team did more damage without soda by using a b1 cdr off burst

which is completely reasonable

and maybe a reason to question whether tove and sdoro really are stuck with soda

[chilly idol]

it is very valid he pointed that out but ppl asked another one mock were u drop soda but without a cdr unit in team

but then he just put in another cdr unit in it

[indigo patio]

why would anyone want to mock a team with no cdr or burst extension unit

waste of 3 minutes

[chilly idol]

i think it easier to compare coz u only change 1 factor instead of 2

[uncut pasture]

why bizzare I told him more burst vs less burst, sdoro dont need bsoda in her team, it make it worst

as error said, 5 sdoro burst vs 7 sdoro burst

[indigo patio]

yeah but standard SG comp vs replacing bsoda with a CDR

it's an interesting observation

[uncut pasture]

jsut to clarify, those extra 5 seconds of burst are not good for sdoro, even for her own burst

those extra 5 seconds are good only for bsoda

but sdoro herself is losing dps

even if they make her self buff duration 15 seconds, moretimes she burst more dmg

so yeah cdr>15 seconds duration burst

[indigo patio]

surely we will get a healer CDR B2 at some point probably pilgrim though for that combination

[uncut pasture]

dolla treasure

another important thing, sdoro is not bound to sg cope, she's free lancer there

[novel apex]

I was leveling dolla bond along with Maxwell, Privaty, Sugar.. expecting them to have high chance of favorite weapon..

The units they went with were totally out of left field imo Would never have suspected Tove or Bay to get an item.. and who TF cares about julia.. Poli made sense especially with her squad mate getting one in the last batch

[half halo]

Sdoro is not bound to SG, she just ruins 2 teams by poaching both Crown Siren and Tove

Homewrecker

[novel apex]

Crown the OG homewrecker

[obsidian isle]

also i think u can note that with a cdr and w/o bsoda that means toves burst got like 100% of uptime after the first burst bcs now its 15s duration and ull get into full burst before that ran out every time

[uncut pasture]

[uncut pasture]

crown 2 when?

[novel apex]

big anis + Hansel gretel coming in a few months.. maybe

[obsidian isle]

same thing for drake, bcs her s1 is also only 10s duration and activate entering full burst having a cdr also means higher uptime there. could just say higher uptime on everything with cdr

[deft dagger]

Iron Weak, BSoda 72% ele no atk
Doro 53% atk

[orchid dagger]

now that looks like a team that a middle-class man would use

[kind horizon]

Middle class man with 750 sync and core 7 units

[soft basalt]

Tove p1 treasure is still 10s duration burst buffs. Like atk buff is 10 seconds

You’d need Tove p2 treasure to have it be 15s duration

So removing BSoda, who causes team to have 15s full burst durations, is a dps gain if you also reduce cdr a lot

You go from 10s great buffed steroids plus 5s weakmode phase fullbursts, to only 10s of pure steroids full burst cycles

Crown is another good example, she’s 15s buff durations so has a particular advantage

Drake’s also only 10s

So we talk again once someone confirms they have Tove p2 and runs same test

[soft basalt]

Or do you already have Tove p2?

[rose pawn]

What are we looking at for OL lines?

Element Damage +
Atk +
Ammo Capacity + ?

[arctic shell]

we need 5 nikke using 15sec buffs then sdoro tove crown bsoda need one more and would be nice to be sg that heal and buff something or even providing cdr

don't need to be 15sec but at least can refresh during entire full burst

[rotund geode]

drake needs a new treasure to make her buffs last 15 seconds

it shows how much the devs make shit up on the spot they didn't acc drake being a support to sdoro/tovetr with 15s timers

[orchid dagger]

tove's treasure invalidate balice too
and she originally was designed for pre-treasure tove

[rotund geode]

they botched balice

she should've had buffs limit +1 like other nikke or maybe more

[compact estuary]

But doro self buffs are 15 seconds? Her burst durations are 15 sec and her s2 is permanent as long as you are in FB?

[uncut pasture]

Yeah but that in her burst, then you lost 5 seconds after next burst and wait another 15 seconds

Also idk why this is even a discussion I really thought everyone understood how this works