[Dorothy: Serendipity] New Unit Megathread

[next zealot]

Alright noted I'll bump it up to that

[half halo]

she your grace since the first one

[swift beacon]

aaaa thankfully it didnt cost any gems for a limited pilgrim only 2 pulls

[limpid quail]

safe to say this doro is permanent shotgun team member now?

[swift beacon]

only shotgun team? like not an all around team?

[long stirrup]

hi ive never built of shotgun team,what units does a shotgun team should consist of?

[pearl saddle]

Tove

[open fable]

tove and bunny soda are the main engines of the shotgun team

but without bunny soda you can run a b2 cdr unit instead if you just started

tove is kinda non negotiable

[long stirrup]

so its fine to run noir or drake on the side with a flexible burst 1?

[next zealot]

Thankfully I got my Soda built still, just need to figure Tove's

[pearl saddle]

I am so fucked if doro is meta 😭

[rotund geode]

tove doesn't need a built now

just get her treasure phase 2

[open fable]

it depends on what units you have, what kind of investments they have
there's no flexible burst 1, tove is non negotiable for shotgun team

[long stirrup]

ok ima check

[open fable]

if you have everyone built, the typical shotgun team looks like
tove + b2 + bsoda + tdrake + 1

[long stirrup]

updating rn dont even know if ill get doro 🥀

[pearl saddle]

If u're looking for a flexable team a shogun team isn't the one

[open fable]

rn that +1 is gonna be sdoro

and the b2 would depend on the team's needs

if team needs healer, maybe naga/marciana

[long stirrup]

oh i forgot tove is b1

i thought shes b2

mb

[open fable]

if not, b2 = something more offensive like leona

[long stirrup]

lets say if im running that team i only pop bsoda and doro burst 3 right?

[pearl saddle]

Would crown work?

[open fable]

yes but using crown on shotgun team feels wasteful

[thorny path]

Does tove need high talent investment?

[pearl saddle]

Fair

[thorny path]

Can i stop at like 7/7/7

[open fable]

depends on who you have is stronger between bsoda or tdrake

[long stirrup]

ok thanks

[rotund geode]

why does doro have the lowest cp? that's odd

even neve has more as an sr

[worn fractal]

Hmmm

Yall think dupes would affect dorthy alot or nah?

[arctic summit]

Did you guys mlb?

[rotund geode]

no

[worn fractal]

This is hard

Mlb dorthy or try and dream for core 7 OS anis

[rotund geode]

dupes is for people who want to the server best at soloraid

[worn fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/benjiisaking-vegeta-goku-super-saiyan-crazy-gif-8360252401475058371

[lean iris]

[lapis ravine]

No Tove cope

[hasty steeple]

siren in SG?

didnt you mean to run Tove there

[lean iris]

out of mats, doll stuck at SR 12

[pearl saddle]

Waiting for road to hero or wtv the next thing is

[lean iris]

but I'll try

[lean iris]

nvm, got it to phase 15 thanks to the free mats from the gacha

[pearl saddle]

Lmao

[uncut pasture]

Yeah not something new, all parasol girls have this issue

Flora looks so weird but nobody in his life is using her

[heavy matrix]

Does doro need max ammo?

[uncut pasture]

Yeah and a lot

Around 200% imo

[heavy matrix]

12 lines

I’m cooked

[lapis ravine]

Well u see

Dorothy's attack speed is around 0.32 per sec

[rotund geode]

maybe 11 lines is enough

4x atk 4x ele 3x ammo

[lapis ravine]

She shoots 46-47 bullets over 15 seconds

With Tove

[uncut pasture]

10-11 is ok but if you're tryhard top70-200 imo you need those 12/12

[lapis ravine]

Ideally 4x black ammo

• Tove noir

[floral stump]

Owo

[lapis ravine]

Then use pierce cube

[floral stump]

Dorosi is her great??

[next zealot]

wait what cube for Dorothy? Pierce?

[lapis ravine]

Bastion or resil mainly

[tribal summit]

Against wind

Against iron

[floral stump]

[tribal summit]

It's really 60℅ of red rapi

[silent ledge]

Doro mainly needs max ammo right

[next zealot]

I have 3 ammo lines currently

[bitter isle]

Peak

[tribal summit]

Reload while burstin sure hurt her dps

It's 1.5s lost of dps

[floral stump]

BoA card is on my table now need numba

[next zealot]

Hot damn

[drowsy drum]

Pretty decent

[lean iris]

Phase 2 T. Tove

[next zealot]

This is what I got going on

[lapis ravine]

Bad comp

[tribal summit]

It's a realistic comp

You won't give crown for her

[lapis ravine]

Something's wrong also use boda

[grave shadow]

it's a bad comp because naga without tia or crown is garbage

[lapis ravine]

Not naga tho

[tribal summit]

Throw someone , and let me redo that

[grave shadow]

Leona

[half halo]

if you want to test her realistically, run 2 teams

Tove Blanc Soda Drake Noir
vs
Tove Blanc Soda Doro Noir

against neutral

[tribal summit]

It's not realistic tho, no sustain is going to be hard

[half halo]

you will have a hang of her power compared to other SG

better test against big ass boss no core in UR

[grave shadow]

except it is realistic

[tribal summit]

Let me try this

[half halo]

because that's common situation

[grave shadow]

you could run last SR without a healer

[half halo]

for next boss it's guaranteed core exists

[lean iris]

Aight

Neutral

[half halo]

[lean iris]

Core 5 Baking Soda btw

[half halo]

what about atk and ammo?

I expect she's stronger than Soda by 30% tho. Definitely an improvement but you won't expect she replaces ele SG. Oh and you can access core in shooting range too

hence

1% limited

[lean iris]

S. Doro:
16.58% Atk
88.56% Ammo

B. Soda:
23.63% Atk
44.28% Ammo

[green fjord]

On neutral
7/10/10 BSoda 2x Atk
7/7/7 S.Doro 1x Atk 1 Ammo
Phase 2 Tove 🧐

[half halo]

okay this is kinda weak

[broken bane]

😔

[green fjord]

I might have miss 1 Doro burst. So Doro should outperform abit

[rotund geode]

from 1.9x to 0.9x

[half halo]

my take is

• Against water, wind, iron: Doro Soda
• Against fire: Soda Drake
• Against electric: Privaty Soda

can't take away soda

[green fjord]

Sounds about right

[half halo]

with how they build SG timing like this

Doro is a good improvement, but 1% limited? Ha ha

[rotund geode]

is there no way to deal more dmg with cdr and kicking bsoda out

[half halo]

you need a CDR in your team

so, something like Tove - Siren - 3 SG?

still waste one slot for B2

and B2 CDR = trash

still, may be you can try Tove Helm/Dolla Doro Drake Grave

[spring tangle]

So how is Doro

[half halo]

full funneling for Doro

[spring tangle]

[half halo]

check overall dmg to see if there's any improvement

[rotund geode]

i can try when i finish tove tr

[half halo]

I can try tonight once I get home

[tribal summit]

Both against iron

[lapis ravine]

Doro needs 3 ammo lmao

[lean iris]

out of rocks

[lapis ravine]

Left better still

[green fjord]

DPS kinda similar-ish. Maybe 10-15% more dmg with maxed SDoro skills and atk lines

[lapis ravine]

Bricked doro

Also crown for what

Stop using crown for everything

She alr has so much atk

And atk dmg

[tribal summit]

Maybe someday I will built Leona, but not now

[lapis ravine]

Leona sucks

[tribal summit]

Washedoro indeed

[orchid dagger]

if having to choose between ammo and ele, what should I lean on?

[lapis ravine]

Nah we pray for Tove Leona BOda Doro Drake for fire weak

And similarly Tova Leona Boda Doro PrivM for electric weak

Problem is if u need heal

Just swap in Naga ig

Its not like theres a better option

[half halo]

well as you can see, Doro won't be able to replace Drake against fire weak sadly

[lapis ravine]

Wdym

She won't

Drake will replace someone else

Lol

[swift beacon]

how's shee overall guyss???

good or somewhat midhara

[lapis ravine]

Hmm ig u do have a point

But Im still rooting for Naga Boda Doro Drake

Which means u need 4x max ammo

Fun

Actually no

3x is enough

Just reload perfectly

[agile estuary]

I think if ur Leona is stacked AF she can be something

Like 4 ele leona

Just for being a water sg

Otherwise it'll be rough

[lapis ravine]

3 is more than enough

Just reload perfectly

[orchid dagger]

like timing reloads before bursts?
are you asking me to write a thesis

[lapis ravine]

Reload must end when her burst starts

Or rather when full burst starts

[young coyote]

any recommendation for dorothy's overclock substats?

[lapis ravine]

And u should never reload till almost the next full burst

And ur reload must end when the next FB starts again

Basically 20s cycles

[tribal summit]

Yeah, i am kinda glad, I guess they tone down the power level alot since redrapi

[lapis ravine]

For 20s, and with Doro + Tove atk spd

You need around ~58 ammo for full shooting

Actually 62

[tribal summit]

What did they said again? The main character should be the most powerful?

[lapis ravine]

But take 1.5 off for reload

1.8 to be precise

Which means u need 54 ammo

Minimum

And u know whats funny

Thats 200% ammo + Tove + Drake/Noir + Bastion

[digital palm]

SG team now only needs a B2 that has 15s buffs and ideally heals

[lapis ravine]

She is MANUAL heavy

Tho not Alice heavy

[tribal summit]

This probably how she perform normally on water weak boss outside Soloraid

[limpid quail]

Anyone try grave b2 yet ??

[tame light]

Anyone seen how she's doing on harvester

[next zealot]

Hmm

[limpid quail]

Someone try grave over leona

[half halo]

[lapis ravine]

Gear Investments

• Essential/Minimum: 3× Max Ammo
• Ideal: 4× ELE, 4× ATK, 1× Max Ammo (situational)
• Passable: Whatever

Skills

10/10/10 or go home.

Cube

Bastion or maybe Pierce/Destruction can be better sometimes, depending on comp, but you WILL need more ammo lines.

Dolls

Damage is purely from basic attack multiplier. Lots of self ATK buffs. MUST SR 15.

Other info

Manual heavy. Always reload just before entering FB and make sure reload ends right when FB starts (or before, but not with Drake as ammo support; before is ok with Noir cus she refills).

Team comps

Somewhat flexible (not married to Tove or something; she can go to Liter/Siren Crown team if you want), but funnel teams will include Tove (of course) cus best support. Boda, Blanc, Noir, DrakeTr, Grave* are secondary supports. Leona, Naga, etc are tertiary supports.

[young coyote]

thanks for the info

[broken bane]

[tribal summit]

I left it on auto in harvester

I guess if I want to farm harvester, I can now

[orchid dagger]

the dps is similar

but yeah harvester now has a new group

she is REALLY hungry for investments though

[broken bane]

new account do i get both summer units, but it sounds like s.doro needs a lot of investment

[lapis ravine]

Not as bad as Rapipi or Alice

[broken bane]

*im pulling for both, but will i need good investment for s.doro before using or is fine

[agile estuary]

Do I ticket doro now

[lapis ravine]

Yes

[soft basalt]

I have the opportunity to stick with Atk, Ele, CrRate

In one OL

[agile estuary]

Ide hold with just atk/ele

And roll the rest

[soft basalt]

Is that ideal if I have trifecta Ele/Atk/Ammo on all other OLs?

[lapis ravine]

No ammo, she sucks

[soft basalt]

Hmm and Atk is heavily diluted

[agile estuary]

U have 3 other pieces

Surely u will get ammo somewhere

[lapis ravine]

Trifecta on other 3 OLs sure why not

[agile estuary]

Like ide open them up and hope for ele ammo or smth

Atk is super diluted in sg team tbh

[slate moth]

12/12 unit

[agile estuary]

Between her buff, tove buff, drake buff

[indigo patio]

44% ele 0% atk 3 ammo lines

[lapis ravine]

Grave, good choice

[soft basalt]

But on the other hand, Atk is the base of what gets multiplied

[kind horizon]

so verdict without tooooovay treasure?

[agile estuary]

Everything is multiplied when it's not additive with itself

[lapis ravine]

Just go home

Not getting Tove treasure makes u lose a lot of dps

Very significant

Significant to the point of making ur SG team not worth anymore

[soft basalt]

Is Hit Rate basically useless to get on OLs for her?

[slate moth]

just need her stage 2, 3 is kinda whatever

[agile estuary]

Like it's (base atk * atk up - def) * DMG up * DMG taken up ect

[hasty steeple]

manham my goat

[lapis ravine]

Not exactly but no point either

[agile estuary]

If ur same bracket you add, having multiplied means ur multiplied with the rest

Only advantage atk has is before def

And crit is part of core/range bonus/fb (pre diluted)

[lapis ravine]

I mean crit and hitrate arent totally useless

[agile estuary]

It's better than empty line

[lone siren]

Skills?

[limpid quail]

10/10/10

[lone siren]

Ight ty

[drowsy drum]

I managed to get 3 ele lines 3 ammo and 2 atk lines

[swift beacon]

so what OL for her?

[terse sand]

28 base ammo enough for 1 fb without reload

[swift beacon]

4 att 4 ele 4 ammo?

[broken bane]

#1392826181535137802 message

^

[swift beacon]

ahhh thanksss

[drowsy drum]

Yeah it's definitely enough

[patent furnace]

This will be use for UR?

[marsh moon]

do we have any idea how much dps gain for dupes ? mlb/c7

[patent furnace]

Can someone with build sdoro test comp with helm,quency and doro

[uncut pasture]

[patent furnace]

Lud and meta b1 b2 UR

[indigo patio]

44% ele

[uncut pasture]

44 shots interesting

[kind horizon]

Alright not gonna bother with her ols and shit then. Will take me decades to sr15 tove anyway

[lapis ravine]

u can use Doro with someone else

[magic breach]

how many ammo line she need?

[ebon shadow]

the devs have stealth buffed hit rate with this patch

SG no longer requires 120% hit rate to be laser accurate, this now happens at 100% hit rate

[indigo patio]

very cool

[slate moth]

gonna stealth nerf after the patch : "Sorry it was a bug, hehe"

[barren ice]

how good is her?

[swift beacon]

so she just need tove fav item?

[half halo]

I think they change it a long time ago no?

since the time they put real spread = auto spread

[ebon shadow]

I did not bother to test back then as I don't have access to a unit that can reliably hit 100% hit rate, I would have to find videos from back then to compare

What appears to have happened is the "base/target hit rate" or whatever they called it under the hood is just gone or set to 0 now

so you no longer have to push past 100% hit rate to reach the point of having no hit spread

[hasty acorn]

why grave, whats the asterisk about

[open fable]

grave buffs pierce

sdoro has pierce

[graceful spruce]

hows dorothy looking peeps

[open fable]

pretty good

but not "OMG 1% LIMITED SUPER STRONG" type

[graceful spruce]

she for bossing or campaign or both

[frigid pendant]

combat power diff

[deft dagger]

@cosmic viper

[white edge]

Worth to get?

[tribal summit]

Obviously it is combat power diff, not that her kit is just that tone down

[frigid pendant]

id say compare on relatively equal grounds before judging

obviously shes not rapi equal

but with 60k bp difference you’re really gonna say its 60%?

i would test against a basically maxed rapi on my account but I havent pulled her yet so… i’ll do that soontm

[terse sand]

[frigid pendant]

cracked ludmilla wtf

does harvester ai have core

havent played it ever so idk

[terse sand]

yes, it has permant core after you destroy head, and that boss has bonus dmg for far range (mg) too, xlud has all advantage there and her dmg still lower than doro

[patent furnace]

Hows her dmg compared to quency

About the same?

[terse sand]

idk, my quency has worse ol lines

[frigid pendant]

so on average doro is probably 200% of xlud

since shes already 150% even in ideal conditions

can people not post pulls in here

not trying to be salty but my luck as been horrendous all this year and i dont need to see this shit unsolicited

[rotund geode]

i got a siren as well but didn't bother posting it's not really the place if we all did that

[white edge]

I have doro 3* in 100 pulls (bought 1 copy)

[steel copper]

What’s your rapi atk and ele compared to sdoro?

[frigid pendant]

range is also rigged so heavily for rapi its not funny

so id say doro is probably on average 70% of rapi

especially cause top raiders are more likely to have her heavily invested

[frigid pendant]

again… not the place to flex, #show-off exists

like good for you but it really isnt applicable here

[white edge]

Is dorothy as meta as we expect?

[tribal summit]

This

Not like the ele damage matter anyway

It's against neutral

Yes I know I have shitty rapi, I don't like her

[steel copper]

It’s okay, my rapi is also expensive to fix

[frigid pendant]

aint no way you’re comparing almost infinite ammo rapi with 35% attack to 9% attack doro and calling it 60%

😭

average doro to rapi will be 60% though cause rapis will be better than doros

but both at peak without perma core its probably closer to 70%

[tribal summit]

You are coping way too hard dude, just let it go

Atk℅ don't even matter on doro

She already has a bloated lot of it

[frigid pendant]

how is it cope lmao

comparing in equal grounds is fair for testing

and yet you ignore the fact that range is perma core

which inflates mgs insanely

not arguing that doro is better than rapi by any stretch, but shes better than 60%

[jade elm]

skip?

[frigid pendant]

also dorothy has about the same attack% up in her kit as rapi, so by that logic its also bloated on her

so then why not think about how doro would be with 35% attack

[silk ruin]

Rapi is like 95% atk buff
Doro is like 163% atk buff

[frigid pendant]

nope

51% + 45%

[silk ruin]

Bruh

Das lvl 1

[frigid pendant]

oh

wait

mb

anyways my point still stands that it should be around equal testing grounds and 50% core uptime before evaluating anything

[open fable]

since sdoro is 100% auto attacks, her sr15 is really good then

[graceful spruce]

mannn 50 rolls

and i have gotten 6 tetra units

should i just mlb?

[rigid belfry]

must C7 101010 12/12

[rotund geode]

how come you can actually see her ass but when i play her portrait covers everything

[brisk field]

Screen resolution prob

[grave shadow]

just make it transparent UI

[prime hearth]

Pull worthy or wait for Egg?

EleggSmirk

[grave shadow]

well pull/mileage

however you feel like taking the damage

[rotund geode]

the issue with that is it hides everything important like health + cover + buffs

shift up was too stupid to make the character icons transparent only

[grave shadow]

's ass more important it's okay

[rotund geode]

it is important that's why i'm on the job to get this fixed

i also asked modders if there was a way to only hide avatars but they told me get fucked

[orchid dagger]

doro's ass is too shiny, it's like she twerked inside a tub of vaseline

[lapis ravine]

I wrote 3x ammo alr smh

[drowsy rock]

doro worth the 1% as f2p?

[lapis ravine]

Use mileage

No mileage, good luck

But worth for water weak

[drowsy rock]

I have mileage but only just above 200. I always want to have 200 on reserve in case we get next broken unit and I have no gems

[terse sand]

pin pls

[lapis ravine]

Next is prolly November

[rotund geode]

we will get 100 free pulls during anni

but also maybe 2x 1% lol

[drowsy rock]

ok I'll use mileage. Will keep my 100k gems save

[lapis ravine]

Bruh

Thats 333 mileage

[drowsy rock]

I haven't pulled anything besides collab since joining the game in 2.5 anni lmao

[frigid pendant]

you should always throw a 10 before pitying

[novel apex]

More like "maybe" 3X 1% banners

[drowsy rock]

btw is she limited like other summer units?

[orchid dagger]

y

[lapis ravine]

Misleading

[rotund geode]

i pull until first ssr and then mileage even if it's not optimal i like the gamba

[lapis ravine]

Gambling addict

[deft dagger]

I cleared Harvester S9 with Doro no ele

but the game kept giving me system error

[broken bane]

are both summer units 1% or just doro?

[digital palm]

Just doro

[broken bane]

i see

thank you

1% banners are a real gut punch

[deft dagger]

0 ele Doro

[uncut pasture]

Doropity

[lapis ravine]

Goated unit

Elegg is gonna b4 better th9

Than xlud

[digital palm]

0 ele doro, 170k cp

[digital palm]

My c5 90ele cindy is barely 160k

Ok nvm she reached 170k with the recent consoles I guess

But still, she is 90 ele

[lapis ravine]

Does she deserve SSS

[deft dagger]

should be

she can be used outside of SG comp

in UR

[oak ravine]

Is she must pull or skipable?

[lapis ravine]

You can just backread like 20 msgs to get ur answer

[magic breach]

lol what a joke boss now

[lapis ravine]

I guess she is SSS now

Eh

[magic breach]

[lapis ravine]

Better than I thought

[rotund geode]

the dream is to kick out bsoda from sg and give it cdr

[digital palm]

It'd be more than fine if we get a better B2 with at least 3s CDR tbh

It would either need to give atk damage or debuff the enemy with damage taken. Because if it is just pure atk it will get too diluted

[grave shadow]

just need a shelm that's not ele restricted basically

[lapis ravine]

Nvm Harvester has nearly full core uptime

[grave shadow]

and more utility

[lapis ravine]

It is biased toward Doro

Idk if she still deserves SSS

[stiff void]

well 2 sdoros and 1 og doro in 100 pulls
no other ssrs
guess I mlb with mileage now

[steel sand]

So, how good is she?

[steel fox]

so this Doro is truly 1% limited yea ?

if miss is next year

[edgy mason]

she is 2% so it must mean she is not good

[kind horizon]

Core 7?

[deft dagger]

0lb

[kind horizon]

Damn nice

[deft dagger]

[kind horizon]

Have to ask for clarification from big whels about core number before judging scores

Otherwise I get the wrong expectations

[crude glade]

What cube are you guys running on Doro?

[arctic shell]

she talk to you in blabla at least

[serene notch]

not you

[frigid pendant]

how, 10 pulls to save potentially save 200 golden tix isnt bad

[odd osprey]

Yeah, not throwing a 10-pull is potentially wasting 190 pulls

[lapis ravine]

@deft dagger do Doro's shots on terrain count as pellet landing

[digital palm]

At this point I did 20 pulls mostly for the doll materials

And I am tempted to do 40 more for the next one

[deft dagger]

you can test it by yourself

I didnt pay attention to it

[frigid pendant]

im pulling to 100 because i have no mileage (only 250) then ill pity

[digital palm]

110*

That's the next reward threshold

[frigid pendant]

at least I get 10 pulls back

[serene notch]

[frigid pendant]

nah the 10 is going to elegg

[analog pebble]

are you planning on getting egg?

[serene notch]

what is that logic

[frigid pendant]

yes

[serene notch]

does the scam pass even count elegg pulls?

[frigid pendant]

no

like

[digital palm]

Elegg doesnt have the rebate thing

[analog pebble]

you should put all your pulls into egg and pitty doro

[frigid pendant]

100 pulls on dorothy

get 10 back

use that 10 on elegg

[frigid pendant]

my luck has been regardless of 1 or 2%

[lapis ravine]

Ok

[serene notch]

[analog pebble]

unless you're doing what @digital palm is doing that is

[frigid pendant]

like it genuinely doesnt matter

[serene notch]

or you could mileage doro and pull egg

[frigid pendant]

260 pulls for one rate up in SB

and 4 ssrs total

[digital palm]

Ahh it is indeed 100 pulls now mb

[frigid pendant]

[digital palm]

100 pulls to get 10 back

[lapis ravine]

Smart Gatrix's Son

[serene notch]

you get 110 pulls for the price for 100 but the pulls you get are half as useful as pulling on a real banner

unless you are still looking for spooks i guess

[lapis ravine]

How much rebate do you get with 100 pulls

[analog pebble]

I wish S.Anis was running week one, I want to MLB her and those pulls would help with the pitty.

[frigid pendant]

if I get 0 ssrs regardless the 110 for 100 is better lol

[serene notch]

fax?

[lapis ravine]

No u get 10 more mileage

[frigid pendant]

like idk what to say, i got more pilgrims in half anni than I did with rate up ssrs on both collabs and maids

[serene notch]

[frigid pendant]

so i really just dont give any shits

but id rather have potential doro dupes over elegg dupes

so

[serene notch]

the chance for pilgrims is the same on 1% banners

[analog pebble]

I really should pull a few and see what happens, my luck has been good lately. 60 pulls got me Eve, Raven X2, 2B, and A2 (or whatever the other units name is)

[serene notch]

so if you don't want the unit on banner and want a bunch of other units instead, then the free pulls from pulling on scam banner are great i guess

[frigid pendant]

I mean rate up pilgrims

[thorny path]

Wow the way everyone went from “mid” to “god tier” after one day is true character development

[digital palm]

I got 2 gold today from pulling for doro, but it was Rapunzel and Helm

[serene notch]

we got tove treasure

[frigid pendant]

case in point 140 pulls for 2 sirens vs 260 pulls on both eve and raven for one raven at the 260th pull

[thorny path]

The testing that look good was without tove teams

[lapis ravine]

Who says mid

[frigid pendant]

people assume if the character isnt rapi they’re mid

[analog pebble]

are they wrong? 🙂

[thorny path]

Lol im pretty sure if i start from the start of the tread i can find a few

[serene notch]

I guess with that logic you should go for 180 pulls since it's even more value

Mid for wind is god tier for water

[frigid pendant]

if I had more starting pulls, yes, but i dont have many so im gonna trust the 2%

[lapis ravine]

Wrong people to trust

[frigid pendant]

which is gonna screw me regardless

the only positive is people will call me less retarded for pulling on elegg over doro

even if the end result is 0 for either

[odd osprey]

Stastically, yes

[thorny path]

Yea thats why I just wait

[deft dagger]

[thorny path]

Honestly off first impression I thought she was gonna be SS

[odd osprey]

Practically ever character is called mid by some when kit is released

It's basically a tradition

[lapis ravine]

Thank you Gatrix's Son

[frigid pendant]

what is this team

[deft dagger]

Kraken

Almost S9

[thorny path]

She has a sg ,yea sg suck but hers functions like a glorified SR

[deft dagger]

Like 300 mil left

[odd osprey]

Should've seen it coming, honestly

[lapis ravine]

Smh pierce abuse

[odd osprey]

She's Sugar but with good numbers

[frigid pendant]

sub out tove for w asuka

[lapis ravine]

Indivilia next

[deft dagger]

what is W Asuka

[frigid pendant]

helm might be better then

ik that burst gen is ass

thats actually crazy tho, what are your scalter and doro stats

shows how shit sbs is without alice crutch

tbf i think best option for slot 5 is actually mana but yk no one has her invested

[deft dagger]

dont mind the team comp, I just want to try few things

[sick tulip]

no verdict yet ?

[analog pebble]

She is mid, as in middle of my screen.

[serene notch]

doro feet

[sick tulip]

Rong it

I already pulled. just wanna how good she is in combat

[arctic shell]

[frigid pendant]

wtf

whel

[odd osprey]

I'll be joining you

[tired copper]

How good is this doro?

[odd osprey]

Insanely good

Justified in being 1% limited

[tired copper]

Good

Will just mileage her and dip

[chilly idol]

[silent ledge]

i was curious

[chilly idol]

wasnt she like 60% of rapi?

[odd osprey]

What fight?

[odd osprey]

In unfair paper math

[frigid pendant]

cant test cause I dont have her but based on what ive seen, equal investment is roughly 70-80% of rapi

[odd osprey]

Also Rapi is the outlier of outliers

[frigid pendant]

and SG team still lacks a great b2 so

[silent ledge]

the high Doro DPS one is Water weak boss, the Sugar one is Iron weak boss

[odd osprey]

She should've been a 0.25% banner

[silent ledge]

again i was just curious

[frigid pendant]

agreed, comparing everything to rapi is

[odd osprey]

Ahh, that makes sense

If even CP, Doro would beat Sugar in iron-weak

Self-buffs too strong

[silent ledge]

I also did a neutral element boss one and this is no surprise

[odd osprey]

Sugar needs a numbers buff badly

[frigid pendant]

regardless, doro is by far the best water dps

so should pull anyways

[silent ledge]

my Sugar is optimally built btw, like all of her OLs are hit rate/max ammo, element and ATK

[pearl saddle]

We fr comparing everyone to rapipi

[odd osprey]

Yeah, Mihara is the one unit I think was truly a disappointment, as Rapi defined what Overspec would be, then Mihara just... wasn't Rapi

[silent ledge]

and her maximum damage output is still this low

[odd osprey]

Yup

Old unit problems

[silent ledge]

she needs the treasure item badly

[frigid pendant]

i just hate that half anni was basically rapi split into 2

[chilly idol]

tell that to gatrox

[odd osprey]

and Tove got the treasure

[frigid pendant]

[chilly idol]

[odd osprey]

I have before

Raon is the only paper math guy I listen to

[chilly idol]

12x black lines

[frigid pendant]

like they really made a dual element unit better than a single element unit

[silent ledge]

hopefully Sugar and Leona get treasure items

[chilly idol]

[silent ledge]

[frigid pendant]

actually ridiculous

[odd osprey]

Gatrix too biased towards theoretical numbers

[frigid pendant]

mihara shouldve been equal/more than rapi with no core

but shift up said nah

cause reasons

[odd osprey]

Dual element unit, skill-based damage that makes up for MG weakness vs no core, ability to switch between B1 and B3, with B1 having extremely good CDR

[frigid pendant]

not to mention the shitty fanservice on the gacha skin but potato potato

[odd osprey]

Rapi is just disgusting

but she's poster girl, so deserved

[frigid pendant]

then they do this shit for SB and summer and im like ???

god forbid panty peek with mihara

[frigid pendant]

yeah

hansel and gretel one unit with water/electric dual ele and nayuta b2 sg healer/shielder buffer for sg team for 3rd anni pls

[arctic shell]

good thing rapipi didn't get all ele advantage

[drowsy rock]

calculate that for me in money.

[frigid pendant]

[pearl saddle]

She's a fire unit that sucked against fire weak bosses

[frigid pendant]

1600 pulls

[frigid pendant]

well she doesnt suck she just doesnt beat a dual element unit which is kinda dumb

[arctic shell]

I never go over core 2 on any other banner with rolls before and mostly either mlb or 0lmb so it was saved since launch

[frigid pendant]

shitup set her up for failure by making her same weap same ele as rapi

she shouldve been water cause her og was water

[pearl saddle]

[drowsy rock]

When I first joined Nikke the concept of copies not being needed cause they don't upgrade your character abilities was insane to me.

[odd osprey]

That's actually relatively normal for gacha games

[arctic shell]

coming from other game I would say it's still mostly true

[odd osprey]

It's just Hoyoverse that changed things

Genshin was such a major gateway game into gacha for people

And then games like GFL2 starting copying

[arctic shell]

I'm done with hoyoverse gacha

[drowsy rock]

I am coming from Master of Garden, CR as publisher.

[odd osprey]

Majority of gacha games only give stat buffs for dupes

[rotund geode]

stat ups in nikke are so marginal but players keep asking if they should mlb

[arctic shell]

yeah and the answer is also very simple
whether you want lobby screen or not
except maybe treasure for 2lmb

[odd osprey]

They make a big difference in certain places

[drowsy rock]

is MLB not also giving burst animation?

[rotund geode]

the places where they make a difference are for players who understand the game

[odd osprey]

Like I have a union mate whose consoles were low enough (from joining late) that a single Anchor dupe was the difference between getting nuked by Kraken QTE fail and passing it

[arctic shell]

that's what I call lobby screen

[odd osprey]

But yeah, usually dupes only matter for top ranking players

And even then, marginal difference

I only went for MLB Cindy at first then decided to C7 to improve my solo raid score

[tired copper]

Watch the free skin voted being better

[odd osprey]

Only got +400 mil cuz my run was way worse

Skill > dupes

[visual estuary]

b-but how will i push w/o c7ium

[tired copper]

What ol should we aim for doro? Atk, ele, ammo?

[odd osprey]

I could be mistaken, but I think ammo might actually be highest prio

With Tove, Doro's burst shreds her ammo supply

[arctic shell]

with so much self atk% she got
atk OL still better than other lines until like really good crit support show up or something?

[odd osprey]

Similar situation to Alice

[pearl saddle]

Imagine if it's just rapipi wearing the free rh's dress

[odd osprey]

Unless you want to be caught in reload, gotta have ammo

[odd osprey]

Until SU fixes crit formula

[arctic shell]

next thing we know we might be farming different sets of gears and skill levels for surface contents instead with entirely different meta where crow is the strongest

[grave shadow]

atm crit works best for big numbers not so much smaller numbers

and even then ele and atk are bigger priority outside of special cases like eve

[rotund geode]

any value in hitrate? i happened to get a few lines

[odd osprey]

Hit rate is never bad for shotguns

[grave shadow]

she gives herself like 99% hit rate

so no

[odd osprey]

Oh wait, ye

In S Doro's case, not actually good

[pearl saddle]

Fail

[grave shadow]

so ideally 4 ele 4 atk 2+ ammo so you aren't reloading during her burst

[odd osprey]

Brain got mixed up with Julia's treasure and was thinking 75-ish %

[grave shadow]

2 is enough

[pearl saddle]

Ah yes time to snipe with thy shotgun

[arctic shell]

depends if her skill 2 hit rate is enough
the 99% hit rate is for the pierce only right?

[lapis ravine]

We all know that

thats why I write most of the guide

[frigid pendant]

nah I meant for mihara skin

i doubt rapi free skin will be better

[lapis ravine]

last time Gatrix wrote his math it was not wrong but hardly applicable

like saying WAsuka + ReiTN > SBS

[grave shadow]

yeah from her S1 but she also has another 40% from her S2

[tired copper]

You'd be surprised

[grave shadow]

honestly she really doesn't need it

[pearl saddle]

Miss opportunity to make her load her shotgun with slugs ngl

[frigid pendant]

modernia skin was shit and red hood skin was nice but it was the only good concept

[lapis ravine]

they release her gacha skin first because otherwise most people wont get her gacha skin (if they know how good/bad the free one is)

[frigid pendant]

all the concepts for rapi could just be ass

[frigid pendant]

yeah

which sucks

[lapis ravine]

@hybrid nexus I didnt know ure a BA guy

also why does my mouse keep disconnecting

like

for no reason

smh

the cable needs replacing

[arctic shell]

she need to land her 80 pellets to go into pierce mode but if you fighting boss
they are big enough for 40% hit rate to hit all pellets already so might not be worth to sacrifice an OL line
except if you building doro to like shoot side of boss like motherwhale or far away mob boss or something

[lapis ravine]

but it feels like a software issue

[tired copper]

Or not, so we can just wait.

[solemn pawn]

I wondering why i can't use rock, only to realize i upgrade the wrong manufacturer

[arctic shell]

been there once few months ago lol

[pearl saddle]

Snipe with funi shotgun

[hybrid nexus]

didn't knew you roamed around these types of thread

and yea i've been playing for a while

[lapis ravine]

play DBD

[hybrid nexus]

i would but arknights event rn

[solemn pawn]

What's her skill priority?

[grave shadow]

10/10/10

otherwise just slowly get there

4/4/4 -> 7/7/7 -> 10/10/10

[hard pawn]

Worth pulling?

[deft dagger]

Best is you still want 3 ammo

At least 180%

To shoot in 15 sec without ammo supplier like Noir or Drake

[grave shadow]

true

[arctic shell]

best cube?

[grave shadow]

bastion

[agile estuary]

does this mean i have to start spam buying bastion

finally

[frigid pendant]

you dont have it 14?

[agile estuary]

no i skipped it using resil

[deft dagger]

https://youtu.be/7w73k69aoGk?si=3SSwxyK2EK4xwaRx

[solemn pawn]

i still going to use Resilience anyway

[arctic shell]

gonna get my tempura to 11 first bastion is still 13

[agile estuary]

i bairly use bastion

[digital palm]

I dont even have resil 14

[deft dagger]

I made a vid

[frigid pendant]

im waiting for another cube update before getting 15 bastion

[digital palm]

[frigid pendant]

i have 14 bastion 13 res

everything else is meh

[digital palm]

13 res. 11 bastion

[agile estuary]

resil was higher value than bastion because crown -> maids

[frigid pendant]

i use bastion more than res personally so idk

[arctic shell]

I did get resil to 15 with only about 30 randomly dropped batteries so far

[frigid pendant]

[deft dagger]

This will help you understand about NEW SG META

[agile estuary]

when reload buff, resil wins

[frigid pendant]

having bas and res 15 would be nice just for less cube swapping

[frigid pendant]

i mean ik

but my rapi has so much ammo she can infinitely fire with siren and bastion

so I use bastion

[agile estuary]

i guess i start pumping up my bastion tho

[frigid pendant]

[deft dagger]

Crown Mast = Resi

[arctic shell]

champion arena need the most slots out of 5 teams
can I shadow copy my tempuras

[deft dagger]

Siren solo = Bast

SG = Bast

[agile estuary]

even just crown, resil wins

[frigid pendant]

really wanna show some tests of doro vs a basically maxed rapi

but no doro yet

[agile estuary]

i think crown siren is about par for both

[deft dagger]

Yeah

[frigid pendant]

so stay tuned ig

[deft dagger]

Siren Crown = Resil

[frigid pendant]

though my doro has to be kinda similar to this so probably not in a time frame people care for

[digital palm]

Any reload buff = resil better. No reload buffs + Max ammo OLs = bastion better

[agile estuary]

refund buffs without reload bastion wins hard

notably noir/siren

[unreal scarab]

Is the new doro good or ?

[arctic shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1394609197634551869/doro5.gif?=

the main reason

[pearl saddle]

Thought this was a mod when i first saw it lol

[ruby imp]

No reloads in 180 seconds?

[digital palm]

For this SR we are likely giving Tove and Bsoda to TiGa if the core uptime is good enough for Doro

[ruby imp]

I think you do at least one reload

[digital palm]

If no healer is needed. Then you can go Tove Grave Doro BSoda Drake

[deft dagger]

Im still disappointed about no heal on Tove

If boss hit hard then Drake is benched

[digital palm]

Surely the next B2 for the SG team will fix that

[deft dagger]

In 6 months

[frigid pendant]

yes

[deft dagger]

Could be

[visual estuary]

what's stopping you

same

[ruby imp]

OK, then I'll up my ammo then

[pearl saddle]

It's a limited pilgrim so u basically have to get her

[visual estuary]

get =/= invest

[pearl saddle]

Ohwait im fumb

Dumb

[visual estuary]

who even has rocks w the 100000 units we've had since cindy drop

[patent furnace]

Im not use to making ui transparent cause i got used to it

[frigid pendant]

sounds about right

[frigid pendant]

you need like the same ammo as me

even then its sometimes iffy

if the target has a qte screen its already a forced reload and you’re safe

but providence for example if you didnt trigger burst instantly then you might be off by like 10 seconds

[frigid pendant]

as it its easily 100% uptime cause you dont count the forced reload

[digital palm]

Leona treasure will heal 🥀

And give cdr

[ruby imp]

I have this much, but I have to reload 2 times

[frigid pendant]

nayuta will be sg team saver

[frigid pendant]

with siren?

should just be one

[ruby imp]

I reload near the end

[patent furnace]

Wouldnt it be nice if SU let us decide who to treasure on

[ruby imp]

Like 3-4 seconds left

[frigid pendant]

does it happen with siren crown helmT team?

if no helmT gen is too slow

otherwise you’re like 3% ammo off from one reload

tbf 1 reload is good enough cause most bosses will have qte screen

i just sweated it for UR

[pearl saddle]

Ppl would start begging for already meta units to have treasure
Would be better if they atleast let us decide wat the skill in the treasure should be

[odd osprey]

Should give us a poll

They decide the pool of units eligible for treasures

[frigid pendant]

agreed

[pearl saddle]

Ye

[odd osprey]

We pick the specifics

[frigid pendant]

8 units total pick 4

rinse and repeat

[pearl saddle]

W idea
Now we bully su to do that frfr

[junior citrus]

so uhh is sDoro just a better Isabel

[odd osprey]

She's a better Sugar

[junior citrus]

at least in role?

[silent ledge]

[odd osprey]

Absolutely no similarity to Isabel

[frigid pendant]

isabel and sdoro arent even close in kit or team spot what

[odd osprey]

And Arcana made Isabel good

[frigid pendant]

[odd osprey]

but only if you hard invest

[pearl saddle]

A sugar with mental issues

[silent ledge]

doro can never be as peak as

[brisk field]

what's doro skill prio

[odd osprey]

10/10/10 or bust

[frigid pendant]

^

me when no gold books

swimming in all the others

skill book conversion when

9 blues for 3 purples and 3 purples for 1 gold

[bitter isle]

Damn I accidentally 10/10/10 doropity and made her doll +15
What do I do now?

[frigid pendant]

“accidentally”

why you acting like thats a brick

[bitter isle]

Because I don't have tove treasure and Bsoda

[solemn pawn]

I actually think her swimsuit more "elegant" than other

[rotund geode]

doro comes across as breedable while seleggs is lewd

[fair gull]

https://tenor.com/view/iamspeed-kai-cenat-druski-cbs-golazo-hands-on-table-explain-gif-13119546189619448393

real talk

[bitter isle]

I got flashbanged by ass while playing her for the first time

[frigid pendant]

i mean no tove treasure is still fine, but no bsoda

[grave shadow]

doro is very usable outside of SG comp

sooo not a bad thing you went all in on doro

[analog pebble]

I have 560 rocks

[serene cairn]

Bro is saving for nikke 2

[analog pebble]

lol

I keep telling myself I'm going to sit down and piroritize who I need to improve and do it smart, but then I just log in, do daily stuff, and the collection just grows.

[fair gull]

just dont tell your union you're sitting on 500+ rocks

[analog pebble]

They don't have room to complain. I think only two people in my union (myself included) can clear level 10 bosses with a single team.

[serene cairn]

Spend your rocks to make your doro like mine

[analog pebble]

wow. that's nice

[uncut pasture]

[lapis ravine]

no one does mathematical test anymore except maybe Skyjlv and Altros

also mathematical tests have proven unreliable, with how far their and Gatrix's paper math is from real world practice

no one does that anymore

if you want % or actual numbers, you will have a hard time finding

not impossible

but challenging

to keep it simple

Doro is good with Crown, Grave, Mari* (if there is core), and well regular supports like Tove Blanc Noir Boda Drake, and maybe Leona

and SElegg in non SG teams

Note that even Raon's math while pretty accurate isn't perfectly accurate

too many factors like boss parts, crits, OL differences, core, distance, limit breaks, consoles, etc

but I honestly also despise that people only test with Crown on all units

intuition-based hypotheses have proven more reliable than mathematical (that is guessing if a unit, based on inferred performance, will be used in the meta)

mathematical is better but harder to get right

if you want someone to do test for you, might as well make it specific

like "can someone test if Doro is good with this unit" or something

[lapis ravine]

she needs 3 ammo btw be careful

that piece is hard to fix (I would just lock both and RNG line 3 if you want but don't)

good luck on the other 3 pieces

[serene cairn]

What % of ammo would you say

[lapis ravine]

hmm 200%+

[uncut pasture]

why is bro talking alone?

[serene cairn]

She currently has 147% rn

[lapis ravine]

rip

she will reload mid burst

maybe

if not ure ok then

[serene cairn]

Yeah she reloads near the last like 2 seconds

[fair gull]

imagine if kisenix was in jiggle chat

[lapis ravine]

Im just replying to computers in texas

he likes mathematical info

[uncut pasture]

yapper

[serene cairn]

I'm not a top 50 SR player so frankly I dont mind saving rocks for now, fix that ammo issue later

[hasty steeple]

i'd just quit lmao

[lapis ravine]

forbidden chat

[lapis ravine]

how do your other pieces look like

3 ammo at 50% each ig?

[uncut pasture]

no pls

[uncut pasture]

dont do that call

[lapis ravine]

Chest is ez to fix

one ammo and ure set for 10000 years

[serene cairn]

At the cost of ele?

Unless I roll both miraculously

[lapis ravine]

no just lock both if u want

someone calced line 2 from line1+3 not far more expensive

if ure scared of losing ele

let me check if ammo is 12%

ammo is 12%

7.5% chance basically

[arctic shell]

I got 2 hit rate on doro now
how good would it be if I leave away some atk lines

[lapis ravine]

hitrate not very useful on bosses

[fair gull]

its only 18% you can get it back later

[lapis ravine]

Idk how Nikke does the reroll

I assume its Line 1 -> Line 2 -> Line 3

or the other way around

[arctic shell]

you mean on stealing stat on each line?

[lapis ravine]

two lines can't be the same

but Idk what algorithm they use

[arctic shell]

yeah

[lapis ravine]

in the most basic sense

[arctic shell]

probably 1 2 3 lol

but I don't have any proof

[serene cairn]

Nice

[fair gull]

ez

hard lock atk temp lock ammo

[lapis ravine]

10/90 * 12/80 + 12/90 * 10/78 + 12/90 + 10/90 out of a sample size of (90/90 * 90/90 - (12/90 * 12/78) - (10/90 * 10/80))

[serene cairn]

My rocks

[lapis ravine]

well ELE is more important than the 3rd ammo

[serene cairn]

At least ele can be rolled on the easiest line

[fair gull]

getting line 2 without locking line 1 is cheaper on avg

[deft marsh]

Elemental Ammo and ATK?

this is the best 3 for her?

[lapis ravine]

28.811684% chance of getting Line 2 ELE/AMMO or jackpot Line 1 + 2 combo if Line 3 is a 10% roll

[lapis ravine]

maybe

7.5% chance of immediately rolling ammo on line 2

[fair gull]

not by a lot but it is

so its worth if line 1 is low value

[lapis ravine]

and I still have to calculate Line 2 -> Line 1

gay

[lapis ravine]

did u get it

dont tell me u roll it away when u dont have rocks to continue rolling line 1

[lapis ravine]

not really

if line 3 is locked it is a bit hard

[fair gull]

[lapis ravine]

if line 3 is not locked (bad value) sure

[fair gull]

whatever you wanna believe

[lapis ravine]

youre not changing value of black line 3 at the end so, if you want to reset attributes, each time will cost 2 rocks

gotta take into account what level is good enuf for you

12+ is worth locking imo

black line 3 + essential blue line 1 (like ele 12+) is insta lock most of the time

Kira's math iirc doesn't take into account OL tiers (unless I forgot), but he did remark about it as exceptions

[high dome]

Is leona the go to b2 for doro. Or does doro do fine without leona? Or is it to early to tell?

[digital palm]

[digital palm]

Use grave instead

[lapis ravine]

Leona is not Doro's best pair

[digital palm]

Leona is doodoo

[lapis ravine]

aim for black

5% * 3 technically (not 15%)

[digital palm]

If I had a ton of rocks

[rotund geode]

how do you guys get so many rocks you can just casually get 12/12 with black lines too

[high dome]

save for a long time

[lapis ravine]

skip units

is the way

Raiders' way

just dont invest in some units

even Tsukino doesnt

[rotund geode]

specialize in 1 element for raids?

[lapis ravine]

invest in some of his units