#[Dorothy: Serendipity] New Unit Megathread

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magic breach
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Bay lol

thorny path
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Favorite items are the worst to good for😭

half halo
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bay and Julia are phase 3 indeed

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cuz we need to suffer

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such a sadist company and their masochist players

rotund geode
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bay deserves to be good but i've never heard anyone even mention julia

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any julia fans? no right

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what they did to milk was a disaster just give the waifus good treasures

agile estuary
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Instead of comparing to rapi@half halo , how much of a dps increase is she compared to current sg team

half halo
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much

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problem is it's pretty shaky

odd osprey
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Her competition is Neve

half halo
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Doro dmg won't guarantee a spot in Fire Weak lol

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or Electric weak

odd osprey
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Isn't that obvious? Xeniathink

agile estuary
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That's fine Doro

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But I'm just looking at how much my score will improve for having a unit

rotund geode
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we will get that sand pilgrim to take another element away too

agile estuary
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Instead of how good she is since she doesn't use the same resources

half halo
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20 30% I guess

agile estuary
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It's like SW team ur using free resource

odd osprey
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B3 neutral is dead for DPS-exclusive units aside from Cindy who needs an entire comp to support her

agile estuary
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U get alot out of buffers people usually don't use

odd osprey
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Expecting B3 neutral nowadays is just cope

agile estuary
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Xmaiden sanis rouge

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Like sg using none of our big b1/2/3

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Vs rapi hoards every meta pick

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rightfully

odd osprey
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Rapi is barely even used as B3

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(solo raid)

agile estuary
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She was used as b3 last 2 times Kappa

odd osprey
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Yes, because strong element

agile estuary
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My memory doesn't go past 2 Sr at this point Kappa

odd osprey
rotund geode
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2/5 still

agile estuary
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2/2 post siren

odd osprey
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3/5 B3  for all solo raids

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0/2 off-element/neutral sip

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She just becomes a B1

agile estuary
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Post siren is also diff tho, our b1 is getting good

odd osprey
agile estuary
odd osprey
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Yeah, but Rapi still probably B1 in water-weak

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We just kill DKW

tough beacon
agile estuary
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Surely doro revive

tough beacon
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intern kun

agile estuary
odd osprey
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No, she just changed to swimsuit

agile estuary
odd osprey
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Normal Doro moved to China

rotund geode
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migration goes hard

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i guess the age of universal dps is dead af then

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but mihara still did it anyway

odd osprey
odd osprey
agile estuary
odd osprey
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Only 64% usage top 50 isn't a strong case for neutral imo

rotund geode
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last sr has mihara

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used by the top player

odd osprey
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Yes, because iron has too few good units

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Imagine Laplace treasure weren't a meme

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Julia treasure will replace Mihara next iron-weak in 2031 sip

rotund geode
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that's the case for all sr no? a universal team only exists because there's a lack of on element options

rotund geode
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bsoda was on element here

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and bsoda is a support half the time

odd osprey
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I'm talking about her track record

visual estuary
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track record doesn't matter the way things are going

agile estuary
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Give tove cdr

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See where bsoda goes

odd osprey
visual estuary
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iron has 2 modern* pilgrim tier
fire 2
wind 2
nothing stops them from getting more, let alone the lower tier dpses who are strong w ed, esp as they power up w powercreep

odd osprey
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Cindy and SG comps are the only cases where we'll see DPS units with 90+% average SR participation anymore

agile estuary
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Slot pressure is real

odd osprey
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Probably

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All units will become "niche"

rotund geode
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at the end of 2025 either cindy or sg will be killed off by other on element

odd osprey
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Well, DPS units

agile estuary
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Sg team is elemented

odd osprey
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SG comp can't be killed

agile estuary
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U just get elemented sg

odd osprey
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It just gets stronger each elemental release

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Tove/X/B Soda/Y/Drake

rotund geode
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and i'm still waiting for that sg camel pilgrim to boost it further

odd osprey
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Y is Sugar, S Doro, M Priv, and Noir atm

rotund geode
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shotgun is well cooked

odd osprey
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Yeah, and S Doro have 15s burst effects means SU intends to keep B Soda meta

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B3 SGs will probably be built with her in mind from now on

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I'm willing to bet Tove's treasure will change her to 15s effects

lapis ravine
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Doro doesnt really need Leona

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And not really Tove tbf

agile estuary
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It basically changes from 8 shots to 6 shots to 4 shots

lapis ravine
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Tove is probably best for her though

agile estuary
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Tove is best slot pressure

slate moth
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Kisenix enter the chat with the hottest take

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as usual

agile estuary
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That's not snake

slate moth
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yeah my bad

agile estuary
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They could be the same person thi

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Have u seen kisenix and snake in the same room

rotund geode
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with 40% hit rate why not give her another 4x15% hitrate lines

should be nice

agile estuary
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I havent

lapis ravine
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Also Doro's damage% is the same even when enhanced, she just gets more buffs and max hit rate

agile estuary
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Then +5 from leona

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So 8> 6 > 4

lapis ravine
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Actually 5.33

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5.33 → 4 =

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~25%

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Wait no

bitter isle
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Doro math soo complicated

agile estuary
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It's simple division BlancStare that's like grade 2 math

slate moth
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grade 2 students don't get abused by doro

arctic shell
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each single pierce pellet still count as pellet hit so occasionally +3

agile estuary
# lapis ravine ~25%

I think need to look at uptime during burst total shots in buff and out of buff

hasty steeple
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may as well ask chatGPT how good sDoro is PepeLaugh

odd osprey
bitter isle
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Super sexy tier

odd osprey
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Might as well use Neve if you don't use Tove KEKL

arctic shell
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with leona 10s buff 4 shots to get 3 single pellet pierce shots so 3/7 of the 10s buff time leona pellet buff is ignored

odd osprey
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Assuming 15 pellets per shot, she needs 6 shots per 3 seconds

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without Leona

lapis ravine
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  • Base: 3 enhanced every 8 = 3 + 8 = 11
  • Self: 3 enhanced every 6.67 (8-5.33/2) = 3 + 6.67 = 9.67
  • Leona: 3 enhanced every 4.67 = 3 + 4.67 = 7.67
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With CDR

arctic shell
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doro burst buff is 15s while leona is 10s too so the last 5s is 20->15 pellets KEKL

lapis ravine
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If u wanna bring Leona then no Tove

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Need CDR

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Ha

arctic shell
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oh if your drake and bsoda higher atk than doro they stole the pellets buff

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cuz leona only give +5 pellets during full burst to 2 highest atk SG

lapis ravine
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Tove Blanc Noir makes more sense

arctic shell
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but doro self atk buff should help with that

half halo
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3 / (80/(10+bonus pellet) + 3)

lapis ravine
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During her enhanced basic attacks

arctic shell
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why can't they just give her 5 pierce shots
easier math lol

lapis ravine
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She hits 1 pellet

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Only

odd osprey
arctic shell
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does 1 pellet multipierce count as multiple hit count?

lapis ravine
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Pierce range doesnt increase pierce damage

arctic shell
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if 1 doro pierce hit 80 parts will she just get reset to 3 pierce rounds? or spaghetti code +3 instead aworryUR
assuming that multihit + each part for more pellet hit count

half halo
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she has a lot of dmg buff but it only exists when she's in S1

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hence you want to be S1 as much as you can

silk ruin
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Then just be in s1

arctic shell
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toveT poliT each +10 pellets aworryUR

half halo
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with that much pellet

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I will have to recalculate Privaty

silk ruin
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Dont shoot when u gain s1

so shes in perma s1

arctic shell
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maybe someone will just add those special pierce rounds max count instead of doro getting only 3 per farmed hits

lapis ravine
digital palm
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Make poli 20s and give out CDR, give us the OG SG team back

arctic shell
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poli sugar isabel GD

digital palm
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Just slap bunny Alice for heals and you are good to go

odd osprey
agile estuary
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It's 2025 I just expect to smash my head against a brick wall

odd osprey
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every day for AI

odd osprey
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Source?

lapis ravine
digital palm
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Now watch her slug shots count as buffs, and Alice just happens to give 1 stack of it pepelaugh

odd osprey
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Never kek

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She's not the first pierce SG we have

visual cargo
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naga?

odd osprey
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Not sure where you're getting single pellet pierce

visual cargo
odd osprey
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Neve and Naga

visual cargo
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forgor neve

odd osprey
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Neve was old F2P meta for SI Chatterbox KEKL

visual cargo
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I started with the original nier collab so that was before my time prob

lapis ravine
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Tove Blanc Doro Noir trust me bro

agile estuary
arctic shell
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doro certified pierce user
if you still remember that washed(also water) doro also got pierce from her burst

bitter isle
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Doro doro team

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Damn doro will be bussin

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I have high hopes for tove treasure and medium hopes for poli treasure

digital palm
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I have a bad feeling they will make poli's treasure worth the P3 just to mess up with people trying to get both to P3 before the next solo raid

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Just getting 1 to P3 will already be a nuisance

rotund geode
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i will be happy if she's useful at all

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seems like the last few times half the treasures weren't

novel apex
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One godly.. one good (drake) and some decent like hacker girl and viper.. rest has been trash

I regret doing laplace and diesel kekw

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I think Julia will end up pretty good.. but then again who cares about her

agile estuary
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@half halo without sg team how does she compare to QEQ/xlud/helmT in dmg

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I'm at work atm SirenMimir

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Like regular team for both

half halo
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very bad

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I'm sure Doro on Liter/Siren Crown will lose insanely hard to Xlud/QEQ/Fatty

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not to even mention Helm da goat

white edge
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So are we eating good this time?

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God, imagine bugs everywhere again

slate moth
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she's pretty constricted by team comp

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leaving Tove = dead

open fable
odd osprey
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Who?

half halo
odd osprey
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oh wait, vs Kraken, you can hit two tentacles + body

half halo
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I forgot

odd osprey
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time for pause spam

half halo
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she's on par with da goat phantom

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on mob stage

white edge
restive bobcat
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Do you think she would be good on her own even without other shotgun support ?

half halo
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to be fair, I haven't seen any sg can run solo without Tove. Viper was a joke lol

deft dagger
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Viper herself can't fit in SG comp most of the time cause of stupid re-enter B2

elder meteor
# slate moth leaving Tove = dead

This is why I really don't like the multiplication of 1% banner. At least is all the 1% were super META in most mode, yeah it would be a bit less painful.
But the "new" 1%, while strong, are niche and doesn't work well once you leave the perfect situation.

They should be 1.5% rate imo, stronger than 2%, but less than "true" 1% SyuenStare

woeful python
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I Can't wait to use Summer doro...in the fall when i finally lvl my bay & tove treasures!! oh anniversary is here?! 😩

slate moth
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at least all the more reason to not go for 1 copy

kind horizon
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But fr if she’s perma stuck in sg comp then she’s not all that versatile is she

digital palm
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I need to see tove's treasure kit ASAP

green fjord
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I need Poli's new kit sadge

half halo
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if she is in SG comp

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does she stuck in SG comp

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or SG comp is for her

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like Cindy

white edge
half halo
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also, they just need to make her S1 has very high uptime, and we will have wet Rapi

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at that moment, you now have 2 neutral comps which can run against every boss

lapis ravine
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Doro is shit on mobs

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Good luck landing 80 pellets to get sniper beams

arctic shell
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poli might be sanis for doro aworryUR

lapis ravine
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Wait no CDR

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Sadge

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What if Tove gets CDR now

rotund geode
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poli please do what pinne couldn't

give salvation to doro

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tbf poli doesn't have to do anyting for shotgun

digital palm
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If tove gets CDR she kicks Bsoda out of the SG team inmediatly

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But I don't think they will do it

arctic shell
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pinne is the 6th member in the squad and she got re-enter burst

lapis ravine
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  • Upon using Burst Skill.
    Grants all allies Makeshift Vehicle for 10s.
  • Affects all allies upon exiting Full Burst if self is in Makeshift Vehicle status.
    Burst Skill CD -5s
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I bet her Skill 1 will be:

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  • Affects all allies upon landing 20 normal attack(s) if they are in Temporary Modification status.
    Temporary Modification stack▲ 1.
soft basalt
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Is that the smell of Doroty kit in the air? DoroAhuhe

rotund geode
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our goddess of victory reduced to water niche

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this is sacrilege

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i'm beginning to understand why the ark closed the doors on her

spring tangle
arctic shell
deft dagger
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Prob Tove treasure can go to 15sec

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just wait for tmr

arctic shell
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I'm interested in
Temporary Dorofication: Max Special Rounds increased by 5 continuously

spring tangle
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Tmr Elegg fr

lapis ravine
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I feel like Tove will get CDR or Poli

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Tove Poli Doro Isabel Arcana

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Might be a thing

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Poli gaining CDR makes more sense

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This way she is a slot pressure

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And u cant just fit her in everywhere

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I assume every x pellets landed, burst skill cd -xs

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This way if u dont have Arcana-Isa, you can use Leona Drake or something but no heals

arctic shell
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~~poli cursed 40s cd stays and need pellets hit to provide cdr to the team
need leona as second B2 ~~

serene notch
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1% limited better be overpowered as shit

kind horizon
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Try using her without her gang of fixers and come back

bitter isle
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You know what would be funny? If trove got pierce buffs instead of cdr

half halo
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yeah I forgot, Tove can just put pierce on all water SG

uncut pasture
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Leona stonk

half halo
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that way, Doro will have 100% uptime on her S1

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which is nice

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pierce is overrate buff these days

uncut pasture
fair gull
frigid pendant
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guys

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has no one noticed

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her multiplier is lower than normal

soft basalt
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So am I wrong or am I wrong, Doropity is a piercing SG that needs to hit 8 times outside of full burst, 6 times inside of full burst, to switch to single-pellet piercing mode?

And since pellets are just dividing the damage to begin with, 1 pellet is still full damage, just in one shot.

frigid pendant
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1 pellet is still full dmg yes

soft basalt
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And, with Leona, she instead needs to hit 4 times inside of full burst?

frigid pendant
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yes

white edge
soft basalt
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Within 15s full burst duration, how many shots would she fire under maximum attack speed? TOMstare

white edge
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So she decide that shotgun suck and switch to snipe rifle instead

soft basalt
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With Leona, it's, and idk how many shots she can ultimately shoot with or without Tove:
4, 3 (piercing), 4, 3 (piercing), 1 = 15 shots (the maximum rof)

Without Leona:
6, 3 (piercing), 6 = 15 shots (the maximum rof)

white edge
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Leona become unofficial member of SG comp, she just keep coming back.

serene notch
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the big shot gives her attack damage up so it still does more damage than regular shots

soft basalt
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And, SGs are 1.5 shots per second

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So for 15 seconds, they can only fire 10 times without rof buffs, and that's assuming their first and last shots are within full burst duration

serene notch
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well she has rof buffs

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hopefully tove treasure makes her buff reliable so she's not poo poo garbage

soft basalt
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If attack speed can be trusted to not be stupidly applied, then, 65% attack speed from her own burst, and Tove's... what's Tove's?

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Tove's is 42.24%

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107.24%? Is there a cap?

serene notch
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just get lucky so it's permanently up

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uhhhh

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it is not known

soft basalt
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doesn't sugar hit the cap on her own already

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And Sugar's just 66% attack speed. Wth

agile estuary
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Like mg

soft basalt
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So I guess Doropity is either at cap or 1% short of it

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Which means Doropity doesn't even need Tove when it comes to maximum rof

serene notch
agile estuary
soft basalt
agile estuary
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But y

serene notch
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i guess the cap is 1 attack per second?

soft basalt
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So 1.5 per second, reduce by 66%, what do we get?

agile estuary
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Does sugar not shoot faster with tove?

soft basalt
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Or "shoot faster by 66%"?

agile estuary
dusky edge
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Can we call this doro

Dorodipity?

soft basalt
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So you might be noticing this effect - a not-maximum Sugar getting a speed boost

serene notch
agile estuary
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I never tested cuz I dont have sugar maxed but why would they have a random cap monkaChrist

junior citrus
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Can we get some skill resets if Tove gets burst cdr

dusky edge
agile estuary
soft basalt
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Is this wrong, 50% attack speed means 1.5 rof becomes 0.75 rof?

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Or is that, actually 100% attack speed?

agile estuary
dusky edge
soft basalt
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So 1 second is what it changes to?

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Alright, that is fine, recalculating the Doropity shots...

serene notch
dusky edge
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TOVE is Missilis of course i invest in her

agile estuary
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U have to take 60/1.5 fire rate= 40 /1.5 speed increase = 26.666 frames per shot= 27/60 = 2.2222/s

junior citrus
dusky edge
grave shadow
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unless tove gets cdr you're still gonna use bsoda

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she's practically core

soft basalt
agile estuary
junior citrus
soft basalt
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Since it's actually offset a bit because you landed shots leading up to full burst, it's not as clean cut as what I just wrote

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But if it was, then no Leona means Doropity loses a ton of damage

junior citrus
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Wat if Doropity is meant for Overclock?

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Say if Tove gets cdr it relieves the bottleneck of only Dorothy for cdr

soft basalt
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Okay, I take back "loses a ton of damage"

junior citrus
soft basalt
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It depends heavily on how you enter the full burst but that seems hard to control unless you can keep track of Doropity hits count

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If it's easy to keep track, maybe you can be willing to delay full burst until she is about to get piercing effect

soft basalt
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Idk if she can easily get sufficient ammo from team buffs

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If she does then she doesn't need max ammo lines

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I'll leave that to Gatrix and others, who I kindly shall refrain from pinging

visual estuary
soft basalt
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Ultimately, it's also important to land Doropity's special range enhanced piercing shot during Full Burst, the one that needs 160 pellets to hit, if you miss doing so she's losing some damage unless SG range is already ideal

deft dagger
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Im still betting on Poli treasure

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As B2 in SG comp

visual estuary
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wait it isn't, poli is 1.5 reload 201.5% dmg too

agile estuary
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The real pray

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Is doro 3 ammo is a stacking buff

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And then u balice her

visual estuary
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haven't seen the vid for her gameplay, but aren't almost all stacks visuals? i'm sure you'd see if she had one there

soft basalt
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We need Maid Alice.

Then we can call her Malice.

CrownGoofy

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Alice: Goth Maid PepeWooo

agile estuary
visual estuary
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no bc then peope will say galice

agile estuary
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Tove burst does not show stack

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But is stack

visual estuary
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man this game BlancAngy

agile estuary
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Until I have it recorded on OBS I have no idea what anything is

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And even then it can change AnneHappy

slate moth
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it's funny how OG Doro avoid ammo like plague and DoroS consume them like no tomorrow

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the duality of this bitch

half halo
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how can you even prolong that

agile estuary
half halo
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buy yourself 0.3s more

agile estuary
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3>4 is 33% increase!

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With perma tove burst on her too

patent furnace
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wheres the usual pinned comment pepehmmm

half halo
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mid

patent furnace
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PIN IT

agile estuary
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Here's the real question

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Does eve win or doro win

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On the booty game

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The real power creep

brisk field
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doro imo

agile estuary
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Booty creep

frigid pendant
hasty steeple
deft dagger
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Surely Julia treasure meta too

wild goblet
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ye, at-least 90% accuracy last time since the datamine data was kinda vague

deft dagger
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I still rmb Snake tricked me on Miranda treasure

visual estuary
orchid dagger
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flabby butt

fair gull
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i have no rocks and i must scream spend

frigid pendant
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they always vary a lot i dont see why she would be on the lower end/lowest end

agile estuary
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Sg reloads also vary alot, that's usually the defining factor between weapon conversion

frigid pendant
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privatyM is the most cucked one

frigid pendant
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like ik shes still good it just irks me a bit

agile estuary
frigid pendant
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yeah but 3 special bullets

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oh huh i guess it still detracts from ammo

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multiplier also boosts everything and when she has these really high self buffs the 10% multiplier increase is a much bigger impact

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again its fine its just interesting that they constantly keep putting weird multipliers on good units to shadow nerf them

rotund geode
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the og broken character scarlet came with a self buff

frigid pendant
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and crazy multiplier

rotund geode
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i think mag is also a nerf just like it

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no real reason for it

frigid pendant
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mag nerf is less of a brick than multiplier nerf

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cause max ammo exists

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no way to increase multipliers

rotund geode
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the issue with it is burst gen

frigid pendant
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sg team doesnt have burst gen issues

rotund geode
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it does when your clips start turning into mags

soft basalt
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That sorta makes sense, but SGs do not lack for burst gen considering their inability to cycle faster most of the time

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Usually you have to wait 2-4 seconds for Tove’s burst to finish cooling down

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So unless you bench BSoda and stick in a high CDR, odds are it’ll be fine

rotund geode
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my concern is in pvp

brisk field
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she's not gonna be meta in pvp even if clip

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low raw multi + water

rotund geode
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she would be

brisk field
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even if using her as sac there's viper

rotund geode
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without bursting herself she does nice damage

brisk field
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what dmg

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it's only dmg before burst that matters in 90% of cases

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she's one of the worst at it in the b3 category

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low multi

rotund geode
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and there are fire opponents in pvp that specifically are a hassle for shotgun

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nero

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i think you're wrong when you say that clip sdoro would not see pvp play

brisk field
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let me know when you see someone using viper purposefully for nero

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and for it to actually make a difference

rotund geode
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that has already happened

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viper is part of ca sg comp but not everyone has her invested

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not when her stage 3 of treasure fucks you over in pvp

brisk field
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no one uses viper for nero killing

rotund geode
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doro would not have that issue

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it helps to kill nero

visual estuary
frigid pendant
rotund geode
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see i can look ahead

brisk field
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the only realistic use I see of her (if she somehow was clip), is as a sac b3 unit to increase odds vs scar jack, to die faster so your b2 and b3 live long enough to clean up after rosa snipe

rotund geode
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her being mag is simply inferior to clip

defending it is why we see shit like this

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of course our 1% limited pilgrims are mag

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speak up about it and people will tell you 'no it doesn't matter'

while it is strictly inferior

frigid pendant
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not counting tove attack speed up so again burst gen isnt an issue

rotund geode
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yes for now

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i mentioned pvp 5 times by now

frigid pendant
rotund geode
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that's true

frigid pendant
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s anis got shadow nerfed with clip but her normal attack is still stupid high for some reason

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im annoyed about the multiplier

kind horizon
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the multiplier reduction, how bad is it?

brisk field
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pretty bad for a dps unit imo

kind horizon
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i never actually noticed that number in the corner clueless

brisk field
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but they prob just modified her kit buff numbers to make up for it

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so realistically not a big deal in dmg department except for pvp

kind horizon
#

she reloads quicker to compensate or what

brisk field
#

no

frigid pendant
#

she has the same exact gun as poli

brisk field
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neve and leona have same gun and element as her

rotund geode
#

did doro steal poli's gun or something

brisk field
#

I guess you can call neve a dps

frigid pendant
brisk field
#

oh yeah poli too

frigid pendant
#

poli’s burst gen is really ass though

visual estuary
brisk field
#

SU hates water so much, they cursed almost all water sgs with garbage weapon

frigid pendant
#

hopefully it has better burst gen

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if its exact exact the same that sucks

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leona has the same multiplier but better gen so kekw

brisk field
#

including sdoro, 5/6 of the water sgs have the same weapon

frigid pendant
#

lmao

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viper the only exception

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i wish they gave her guilty’s gun but nah

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even isabels is better

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210.7% for 1.86s reload speed

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tove treasure might give team wide reload from her S1

rotund geode
#

where is that watashi wa godessu doro meme when you need it

frigid pendant
#

but maybe im coping too hard

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proc chance to 10% and every 10 procs you reload 2 bullets teamwide

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would be like shittier bastion cube

kind horizon
#

the way i see it we're coping too much on tove

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poli even

frigid pendant
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poli i see potential

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if they make her 20s and individual shields team wide thats already pretty solid

kind horizon
rotund geode
#

doro reading her new kit

frigid pendant
#

that handles burst skill, S2 needs a teamwide buff and S1 needs higher attack%

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she already gives 50% attack tho which is a decent amount

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and thats before adding more kit multipliers

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ofc if they leave her 40s its already perma brick tho

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but i have decent hopes for her

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if they make S1 like 30% thats 30% permanent attack

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they’ll probably add some other buff too so

undone folio
#

Why is she 1%

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I thoughr summer was 2%

bitter isle
brisk field
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if they make ttove give decent heals, I can see it being a good case for doro being used in all

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ttove leona doro bsoda drake

frigid pendant
#

leona kinda mid

undone folio
#

JewUp

brisk field
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otherwise she still has to compete with drake mainly, which is... kinda sad

frigid pendant
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idk if the pellets are worth

brisk field
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if she can't be mainstay in sg team even with ttove then she's actually more mid than midhara imo

brisk field
frigid pendant
#

30% crit rate 34% crit dmg and 5 pellets

grave shadow
#

Leona is a very mid b2 buffer

frigid pendant
#

and 20% hit rate but thats not as important, doro and soda already have plenty of hit rate and drake also buffs

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poligoat has 50% attack

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just make her 20s and add like one more buff and make her shield individual

brisk field
#

oh yeah maybe ttove + tpoli is enough

frigid pendant
#

leagues better than leona

brisk field
#

forgot we're getting that

#

poli with modified individual shield by itself is prob enough

frigid pendant
#

its already better than leona for sure

#

so she can only get better with more treasure kit

brisk field
#

but if sg still needs 2 support slots (bunnies tiga), then doro is in danger imo unless she's just simply better than bsoda/drake in almost all cases

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in danger as in, extremely sad for a limited pilgrim

serene notch
#

Like a true hello kitty girl

frigid pendant
#

the main issue is bsoda is needed for burst extend and drake is just too good of a buffer

brisk field
#

yeah

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so doro is gonna be relying on ttove and tpoli

frigid pendant
#

but im pretty sure they’re cooking it for poliT to be in the team

brisk field
#

I feel that's pretty likely too

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but I gave up having hope on water balance

frigid pendant
#

she got sustain which the team needs, has pretty solid attack buffs

#

if they made her somehow inflict dmg taken

#

shes god tier

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cause sg team is kinda oversaturated with attack% buffs and attack dmg

#

i guess they could go the way of making her a crit buffer

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and have toveT increase her crit given

serene notch
#

I don't have very high hopes for Tove treasure

#

They only make overpowered treasures when they want to sell a gacha skin and Tove doesn't have fat tits

frigid pendant
#

she gives 15% crit dmg and 30% in burst with permanent 3% crit rate (assuming max stacks)

serene notch
#

Poli gacha skin Balls

frigid pendant
restive bobcat
#

Sorry but I don't quite understand what they mean by "round"

frigid pendant
#

its an ammo count

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round = one ammo

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they usually use round when its a special bullet

restive bobcat
#

Oh okay

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And what about pellets ?

frigid pendant
#

sgs fire 10 pellets

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pellet is each individual “bullet” shot

#

sgs are the only gun to have 1 ammo be 10 “bullets” ie pellets

restive bobcat
#

Okay thanks

#

It makes sense now

frigid pendant
rotund geode
bitter isle
#

Doro will clear path to my monkey cave

hearty merlin
#

How’s Dorothy looking thus far pre-analysis?

dull gate
#

Middoro.

last phoenix
clear compass
#

broken spine

clear compass
#

...no?

last phoenix
#

No datamine of the back shot?

lapis ravine
#

She is just single target shotter in PvP

#

Better Alice tbh

#

A tier

#

Strong offburst too

#

She shoots every around ~0.4s btw

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I expect around 24-25 shots

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Within 10 seconds

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Thats how important max ammo is

#

She doesnt have max ammo btw

soft basalt
#

Is chatgpt legal here? Is Gatrix out of a job? KEKS

Summary of the image:
No Leona, you can expect 4 piercing shots without Tove, 6 with.
Yes Leona, you can expect 6 piercing shots without Tove, 9 with.

lapis ravine
#

Doro's lack of multiplier makes her weak

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She only scales on ammo, ele, crits, and multipliers (dmg distance/core/fb) mostly.

#

ATK is fine if no CDR

#

Oh and damage taken best ofc

#

I think Poli would pair well with her

#

And obviously Tove treasure

soft basalt
#

Wdym by lack of multiplier

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One example of a multiplier?

#

That she’s missing

soft basalt
# lapis ravine Tf is cycle type

I was trying to ask chatgpt to determine rate of fire Doropity would have. Then calculating how many piercing shots (special shots) she can fit into a 15 seconds duration. Assuming no reloads. 4 normal shots leading to 3 special shots cycle is with Leona, 6 normal shots leading to 3 special shots cycle is without Leona

#

Since, 20 pellets with Leona and Doropity’s pellets enhancement, and only 15 with just Doropity’s own

#

If Doropity’s piercing shots are powerful enough, then Leona might become a must with her

soft basalt
#

It’s all wrong anyway, so nvm all that

#

Someone just told me attack speed is like charge speed

#

100% basically eliminates all interval between attacks KEKL But Nikke has a minimum interval

#

3 shots per second is it

visual estuary
soft basalt
#

ShiftUp is very good at evading logic KEKS

#

Well, maybe they were wrong or they’re messing with me deadge

visual estuary
#

shouldn't we have an idea bc of tove already existing?

deft marsh
#

did we had a Water SG before?
or Dorothy is the 1st Water SG?

soft basalt
visual estuary
#

though tbf, i'm not sure if you can reach 100% atm that being said. idk how much sugar has, and idk any other aspd units exist. soline iirc is broken

visual estuary
deft marsh
#

i thought Dorothy was the 1st Water SG nikke

soft basalt
visual estuary
soft basalt
#

I’ll test after I get Doropity, I guess…

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Tove treasure might also change things

visual estuary
#

just kidding, can't find neve in top 10 for mat h. but i do remember A score using her

agile estuary
#

leona judging

visual estuary
#

what about her

visual estuary
#

think bc i expected another pierce w her, and for her to be bursting

soft basalt
#

What’s a ViperT3, Crown, Tove, Doropity team like? pepehmmm

#

Bricks, I guess KEKS

visual estuary
#

for sr? probably not good since helm is really hungry for atk?

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and sdoro has a lot of atk + dmg up

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oh wait you'd just take helm anyway, or selegg if she fits well there. misread as the team being 5man

frigid pendant
#

maybe if you’re water main in UR

#

dps helm is gonna be better than a sg buffer probably

#

tho ideally its just poliT and you run sg team as is

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SG team gonna be my third ur team cause fuck my electric unitsRougeStare

visual estuary
#

bad electric NoirStare wtf

#

i'm more surprised now if someone has a good iron than a good water
but very surprised if someone has a bad electric

frigid pendant
#

iron also kinda meh

zenith harbor
#

Treasure kit when?

open fable
#

during maintenance

junior citrus
floral stump
#

og Doro buff wenn?? N102Sad

edgy mason
#

is doro bad?

#

seems bad for pvp

steel sand
#

So, skip doro pull a2 right?

kind horizon
#

Skip em all

broken bane
odd osprey
stiff void
#

skip a2 pull sora

serene notch
#

Skip all of them, buy swimsuit liter

gaunt mulch
#

My liter with both summer and sunflower skin: LiterSip

floral stump
serene notch
#

I hope they learned their lesson after nobody bought the last skin reruns for 20$ and decided to make the price reasonable this time

jagged horizon
#

what lesson? i bought every rerun skin on my 3 alt clueless

bitter isle
#

Doro

bitter isle
#

How much will limit breaks impact her dmg since she has self attack buffs?

lapis ravine
#

Sugar math was that it was multiplicative, not like charge speed

#

And Tove too

#

Doropity needs ammo

#

She spends 24-25 herself in her own burst

#

Add Tove and it's explosion

#

With Tove

#

She shoots around once every ~0.323s

#

30-31 shots

#

Even without Tove,

#

You need max ammo

#

At least 3

#

With Tove u still need, well, 3.

#

-1 if using Noir ig

#

Or just reload and waste 2s in Full Burst cus why not

#

Hmm I didnt take Bastion into account yet

#

I guess -1 if you use Bastion

#
  • Bastion: 2 ammo
  • Noir: 2 ammo
  • Bastion + Noir: 2 ammo
  • Non Bastion (e.g. Pierce/Destruction cube) w/o Noir: 3 ammo
odd osprey
lapis ravine
#

Need Tove and Poli new kits to know

#

If we will use Drake

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Or Bsoda

#

Or both

#

Or neither

odd osprey
#

I doubt Poli would do anything but reinforce Drake use

#

The better she is for SG comp, the less compelling Blanc is

open fable
#

naga tia blanc noir permabenched soon huh

odd osprey
#

Nah

open fable
#

only for missilis and tetra tower

odd osprey
#

Should be getting bosses with consistent cores rehashed

#

They'll come back

#

Providence was proof of that

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93%/95% for Tia/Naga

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If Poli is 20s burst with some form of healing or shield turned Crown-like, bunnies benched for core bosses, Tiga benched for non-core

#

51% use on both bunnies for Providence

#

Most of those uses were SG comp if Tiga used for Raven

#

But Tiga went with SG comp if S Ros was used with Raven

rotund geode
#

poli treasure is kind of a slap on leona's ass she doesn't deserve to be crept

#

similar stance to doro now that i look at it

#

i guess leona does look more natural

odd osprey
#

Yeah, S Doro as the Leona/Crown slanted doggy style pose

#

I'd argue Leona was never meta in the first place

#

So she's not really getting powercrept

rotund geode
#

i think she was during mpriv days

odd osprey
#

Those were few kek

rotund geode
#

with freed up bunnies/tianaga there's no leona lol

open fable
#

never really meta when solo raid needed heals from tiga/bunnies and electric team started being a thing

rotund geode
#

really meta can mean a lot of things ofc

odd osprey
#

She was high profile for four raids: Crystal Chamber and Land Eater (electric-weak), Grave Diggger (SG paradise), and first Massive Object (brick)

rotund geode
#

does she stlil run when mpriv is used?

odd osprey
#

Nope

rotund geode
#

yeah then she's crept

odd osprey
#

Behemoth and Ice Drag hit too hard

rotund geode
#

we can get a leona treasure next year maybe

odd osprey
#

Leona has always been dead when bosses actually hurt

#

even if electric-weak

#

(haven't put in most data for Providence yet, but Leona was 0%)

#

If going by original idea that treasures were for rarely used units, Leona should've gotten one over Tove

#

but SU probably wants people to stop complaining about Tove RNG

rotund geode
#

i'm not sure why poli got the treasure over leona but it might have to do with their choices of 2 limited + 2 standards getting one

bitter isle
#

Poli getting treasure because she deserves one

odd osprey
#

Poli less used

#

Hasn't been used in top 50 since Nihilister raid

visual estuary
odd osprey
#

Oh wait, some people used her vs Gravedigger

visual estuary
#

"underused" means nothing though when tove of all units is put in the same room as julia

odd osprey
slate moth
#

still no treasure info yet ?

rotund geode
odd osprey
slate moth
#

Tove failed every check box possible for treasure unit

odd osprey
visual estuary
odd osprey
rotund geode
odd osprey
#

Miranda giving SW 100% crit is same move

open fable
#

you really think ttove will fix the rng huh

slate moth
#

reduce % proc but increase atk speed

odd osprey
#

If it doesn't, then my only thought would be to sell skin delugiggle

slate moth
#

would be funny

odd osprey
#

Had to be datamined

#

But anyway, regarding Doro vs Drake T, I think the only way Drake's getting kicked out is if Tiga is the meta support duo for SG comp this time

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Cuz then Tia/Tove/Naga/S Doro/B Soda/

bitter isle
#

After seeing milk treasure I believe they could just slap some pierce buff and cdr and call it a day for trove. What, we are getting Pierce shotgun after all Doro DorothySmug

orchid dagger
#

doro's glistening skin looks dangerously AI-gen

#

I happen to know because I do it every day

odd osprey
#

Doro doesn't need pierce buff cuz she has her own built-in buff

rotund geode
#

did miranda properly fix sw rng? then i believe tovetr could do it too

open fable
#

not if your sw doesn’t have highest atk in the team

lapis ravine
lapis ravine
#

If u want earlier need datamine

#

I mean like 1h after mt starts

#

We shudnt discuss that here though

rotund geode
#

give drake tr for free
bench her

elder meteor
lapis ravine
#

I keep seeing ur name

#

EVERYWHERE

#

KARMA FARMING

#

SMH

elder meteor
#

I posted only 2 times today SyuenStare

hasty steeple
#

it's still not fixed PepeLaugh

#

imaging uploading a kit with no errors

kind horizon
#

Wdym it’s the first CDDE water nikke

clear compass
#

How is that not a template that gets filled

soft basalt
#

The brain doing its magic smh

hasty steeple
half fossil
#

its got more D cause Doro Doro

fair gull
#

at least he plays the game

#

not all r/nikke users do

deft dagger
#

I have info about Tove treasures

odd osprey
kind horizon
#

Each second he waits he loses 10m score from his next solo raid

fair gull
#

it has more RNG

#

more gambling -> better unit

digital palm
#

High risk high rewards

kind horizon
grave shadow
bitter isle
#

Would be funny if pitiful dorks team were all units with favorite treasures

chilly idol
#

share or do not say u know something

junior citrus
#

@round goblet huh beeg whale says to pull
all jokes aside if Doropity becomes a Overclock Infinite bottleneck in 2 weeks froma SG requirement I'd get really mad, because as of now only normal Dorothy hasa consistent enough burst cdr (and maybe Tove Favorite Item later)

round goblet
bitter isle
#

Liter grave doropity treasuredrake helm

#

My temma

rotund geode
#

are you trying to get top 10%? i think your team can do that

bitter isle
#

10% no bro I'm trying to get 100%

#

Sorry bad joke. I'm trying my best

#

I wish for 10%

soft basalt
#

If there’s a SG rotation and you’re screwed without her, then there will be a different weapon type that says, “You should’ve built Bready” KEKS Or “You should’ve built Queen Quency” KEKS Or “You should’ve built Winter Ludmilla”

#

With Queen Quency and Winter Ludmilla, there should be a way to beat it without relying on Summer Dorothy

digital palm
#

Who are we even supposed to use with 2 shotguns? KEK

#

S.doro and Viper?

lapis ravine
#

||and got a better writer||

round goblet
#

figured I might as well cause I'm a literal slave

#

for 5 unions

lapis ravine
round goblet
#

yeh he didn't want to write anymore

lapis ravine
round goblet
#

bro

#

I'm the planner

lapis ravine
round goblet
lapis ravine
#

I mean it can mean anything

round goblet
#

brain slave

lapis ravine
#

Well sometimes some brain stimulation is needed to keep yourself sane

round goblet
#

if there's any braincells left that is

lapis ravine
#

Are there

round goblet
#

too much memory loss to remember

lapis ravine
#

Good that means you still have braincells

round goblet
lapis ravine
agile estuary
#

bundle of stats character needs good testing

round goblet
lapis ravine
#

He only wrote because Sjay asked him to

#

Does he have a choice

agile estuary
#

when is prydwen getting a top solo raider writer

lapis ravine
#

I actually refused to prewrite Doro because Poli and Tove will 100% change what I write

#

Lmao

cosmic viper
agile estuary
#

was

lapis ravine
agile estuary
cosmic viper
lapis ravine
#

Im gonna pressure Antillar to get another writer

cosmic viper
lapis ravine
#

Not for SR but for the other guides we forsake

#

No one's updating the old guides

cosmic viper
#

No one plays nikke in 2025 tho

lapis ravine
#

Maybe if I whale top 10/15 is possible, but Shinonono's and Kira's skills for example are way out of my league

cosmic viper
#

Oh so top 20 SR Doro

lapis ravine
#

Maybe with a whale account, I can get Top 10 SEA

lapis ravine
lapis ravine
cosmic viper
#

Yes, eos soon

lapis ravine
#

If the SR Raider writes the char guides that means I no longer have to write the char guides poggies

#

Im gonna kidnap someone

#

Time for us to kidnap one more

#

But anyways Doro is impossible to write without knowing the treasure kits

#

But Elegg can be eyeballed

#

She just gonna be a bossing unit

#

Shit everywhere else

#

As far as Im concerned

#

Doro is not good for Campaign because hitting pellets will be very hard. Still usable though. And with her burst + faster atk spd + tons of buffs, she should still be able to kill some monsters. As long as you can regularly get her enhanced attacks, it's all good. And terrain hits count too iirc.

#

PvP she is just Alice but better technically. She feeds more though. A tier for sure.

#

Probably S for Campaign?

agile estuary
#

galaxybrain play

digital palm
lapis ravine
#

I know Don

#

I dont wanna bother him tho

chilly idol
brisk field
cosmic viper
#

I can double it probably

agile estuary
junior citrus
soft basalt
junior citrus
#

@soft basalt I hope fire is the overclock infinite code fix for season 5
even if Grave is a soft bottleneck, it's simply far more important to have flexible burst cdr options with Rapipi and DKW

soft basalt
#

Wait, I got that backwards Fixed it

junior citrus
soft basalt
junior citrus
junior citrus
soft basalt
#

I don’t understand still

#

Aren’t each Nikke unique, how can identical happen?

junior citrus
soft basalt
#

Oh

#

In any case I edited the post because I had the elements backwards

#

The first Infinity was Iron-weak. Then the current Infinity is Electric-weak. Iron beats Electric. So what does Electric beat?

#

That’s the current theory I’ve seen which has some merit

#

So you’ve gotta hope it’s not Water weak

soft basalt
junior citrus
soft basalt
#

RIP

junior citrus
half halo
#

dead

#

🚮

open fable
orchid dagger
#

all of you will still get a copy anyway

grave shadow
#

limited pilgrim btw Doro

floral stump
#

wait 4 revew

scenic apex
#

Ima get single copy for now, since yeah, limited pilgrim

#

I'll wait and see for the testing analysis

jagged horizon
lapis ravine
#

Top 20 means Top 70 at least

#

Though the gap between whales and f2ps continue to widen

#
  • F2Ps can barely MLB all Pilgrims now
#
  • Cube batteries are more obtainable by higher rank unions. Outside Top 10? Good luck.
#

Ok thats all

#

But these both have huge impact

#

Like last season "I" probably lost a good amount of score because I dont have leveled Pierce cube

uncut pasture
#

Omg what is this one person full yapping

serene notch
orchid dagger
rotund geode
#

where tests?

bitter isle
lean iris
#

Who's pulling?

bitter isle
#

Me

lean iris
#

Ok, one tapped her

#

Now what

tacit flint
#

Where test

next zealot
#

Bro lol

broken bane
hasty steeple
#

what did shitup do this time, why she has a background? wahahaha

#

that fucking parasol

next zealot
#

And I wasted everything I saved to finally get her. This freaking woman ICANT

open marsh
next zealot
#

all 10 Doro and Treasure Tove?

rotund geode
#

why does doro call the commander 'your grace'

is we kingz now?

open marsh