[Raven] New Unit Megathread

[dull plinth]

So shooting = bad

[latent crest]

🍝 🧑‍💻 to try and work around instant proc, probably

but I think this can be worked around to still break her

[dull plinth]

If it's a bug then Mihara's bugged too

[latent crest]

it just means that CS isn't bad now

[dull plinth]

You just don't feel it with Mihara

Cus she applies in batches

[potent vessel]

Is she gud guys

[dull plinth]

Manual heavy

[gloomy topaz]

sky comparing dot

[dull plinth]

How

The premature trigger is only 1 stack damage

Even with perfect timing

[latent crest]

line up next hit to follow the subsequent tick by 1 frame

[dull plinth]

You're hitting max stacks every 1.5 sec (90 frames) + 1 stack.

[latent crest]

refresh > 90 frames tick > 1 frame later reapply

[dull plinth]

You'd better off be getting max stacks damage every 60 frames.

So full charge at max stacks - first tick - second tick - third tick - fourth tick - reapply instantly after 4th tick.

Is the way

Wait

Hmm

Yeah first tick is 1.5

So it's 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5

Apply at 4.6

Then it goes back to 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5

[crisp ether]

why do ppl look at his video <.<

[gloomy topaz]

???

[fast cedar]

What OL gear stats am I looking for? Normal atk, ele dmg and ammo? Also, just Bastion/Res cube?

[dull plinth]

Summary:

• At 60 FPS, landing a fully charged attack with Raven prematurely deals 1 stack (not current stack btw, just 1 stack) of DoT damage and resets the next DoT tick to be 90 frames away (1.5 sec.). Subsequent ticks are 60 frames apart (1 sec.) unless Raven lands another fully charged attack, in which case it will be reset back to 90 frames away.
• This means ideally you should only land a fully charged attack after at max stacks only for reapplication purposes only (since it lasts 5s, what a bummer). The other times, she should either: spam shot, hold full charge but not release it, go AFK, go behind cover, whatever. Just don't release a fully charged shot.
• The ticks, after a fully charged attack, will be ~1.5 secs away, 2.5 secs, 3.5 secs, and 4.5 secs away, then it expires.
• You want to reapply/release immediately after the 4.5th sec tick, but if you wait too long (>5 secs), you are doomed and must restart from 0 stack. So, between 4.5s and 5s is your target window.

Damage Difference:

• Expected stack damage on Auto on perfect charge speed amount (reapplication every 1.533s): 33 stacks every ~4.6s.
• Expected stack damage on Manual (no need charge speed): 41 stacks every ~4.6s.
• That is ~25% damage difference.
• Note that base Raven versus perfect manual Raven is a much larger difference. Base Raven is 11 stacks every ~2s => 25.3 stacks every ~4.6s. Perfect Raven is 62% damage difference.

Is this a bug?

• The same behavior can be observed with Mihara: Bonding Chain and Summer Sakura (easily observable on Burst Skill usage), but it has very minimal impact on them because they apply their DoT stacks in batches/infrequently. Thank you Izzy for confirming.
• So, it may not be a bug.
• I have clarified with Altros on this one (he said all Raven's DoT had 90 frames interval), so don't get your hopes up on a fix if SU determines the 90 frames delay is not a bug. I'm saying this just because that Skyjlv's screenshot is becoming too popular.

[spice finch]

Seems like SU totally scam us with this collab

[bitter ice]

surely they will fix the bug

[spice finch]

https://tenor.com/view/kanna-kanna-dragon-dragon-maid-hug-please-gif-15744350652984029752

[latent crest]

nah if Mihara has this same mechanic then this is some intended feature of DoTs, more than likely

[bitter ice]

damn okay then

she's staying 4/4/4

[near topaz]

tldr: even if boss not jump, she cant keep full stack full time if auto?

[dull plinth]

The problem is if she is on auto she loses a lot of damage

You're only hitting 11 stacks every 1.5-1.6 secs at perfect charge speed amount.

[near topaz]

after 10 stack just 1 full charge every 4s?

[dull plinth]

Which is 33 stacks every 4.5-4.6 secs.

On manual, you can hit 42 stacks every 4.5-4.6 secs

We are literally expecting

30% damage increase here

[tropic token]

Man all this talk about her stack is fucking my brain up

[flint warren]

they fumbled both of their own collab chars

[tropic token]

Shift up def not fixing her before the raid

[flint warren]

actual joke of a company

[dapper birch]

the only good thing coming out of this collab is the """"free"""" scarlet skin and it comes from the stellar blade game, not nikke

[tropic token]

Imagine having to play a certain way with her during raid while having to keep track of boss attacks n shit

This sounds awful

[bronze sun]

This actually makes me feel better about not getting her in 50 pulls haha

[smoky saffron]

Oh you mean the skin you don't get free if you only have the ps5 version?

[dull plinth]

Ok its 41 not 42 but whatever

[tropic token]

I hope they fix her shit before raid

[smoky saffron]

I can't even find the passcodes to open the doors for the stupid can.. even tho i looked up where it should be.. + have to play this god awful mini game for missions.. dog collab

[winter ledge]

Exia gameplay

[tropic token]

Except it's much worse

[lusty sand]

Sorry, as someone who just entered this thread, what is her issue/bug right now?

[smoky saffron]

I mean this raid looks like it might be slightly less brain dead then the recent ones too.. fk min maxing this trash unit for minimal reward

[glacial elm]

I think Santa Raven is bringing apologems our way. Pray for skill reset window

[tropic token]

It will def be less brain dead than gluttony

Unless attacks do utter shit like gluttony

[glacial elm]

Basically a hack is in place that’s screwed with everyone’s expectations. Her dot ticks have an artificial delay, it’s not consistent across all ticks. First tick is instant (reapplication reprieve). Then it’s delayed by 90 frames instead of 60 frames. Then stays on 60 frames.

Also someone is claiming that Raven’s parts dmg is screwed too. I have no verification of that last one.

[keen sequoia]

Damn. That’s 2B situation all over again. Hidden things that are not explicit in the kit

[hoary reef]

can't wait to see ppl mald on st with this

[glacial elm]

Eve is smug though

[hoary reef]

raven took 30 pulls compared to 130 on eve. that means eve is the better collab unit

[spice finch]

Both 50/50 for me xD

[dull plinth]

No that's A2

But good point

[dull plinth]

Depends.

[near topaz]

this is worse than exia gaming...

[dull plinth]

@latent crest You should clarify cus your screenshot getting too popular.

[near topaz]

hold atk till 4 tix then shoot?

[dull plinth]

If two numbers show up next to each other, you did well.

[near topaz]

not gonna do it for 3m fight lol

[keen sequoia]

I was thinking about 2B where her basic attack multiplier was not written on the kit. It caused a huge pushback from players. SU since put basic attack multiplier on kits.

[inland steppe]

Seems like too much work to keep track of optimizing her attacks and breaking parts for bossing. Already spent more on gems than I should have before checking how she performs. I know she JUST came out, but would folks say to just skip or use mileage for f2p?

[mortal spear]

so you do want charge speed then,

[dull plinth]

Just do it at max 10 stacks though

[mortal spear]

?

[dull plinth]

Depends

You want to auto?

I think she still scales on charge speed on auto

But too much and ure fucked

We need to know what is too much

First

It cannot be faster than 1.5s

[hoary reef]

someone needs to brick first

noted

[glacial elm]

She has 1s charge time. What’s her animation and delay?

[dull plinth]

Thats the problem

I think the DoT applies instantly

On release

[glacial elm]

………….

[dull plinth]

The post release animation is not an issue

I think

So...

Well

That doesn't matter

[glacial elm]

That’s backwards, I guess

[dull plinth]

The answer is the same

LMAO

[hoary reef]

so you brick everytime you relaod by 30 frames ?

[glacial elm]

Yeah @dull plinth , just “takes longer to start shooting” logic applies instead of “takes longer to actually shoot”

[hoary reef]

cool cool cool

[dull plinth]

@latent crest so do you know how long is her basic attack interval at base stat/animation delay

[near topaz]

alot buff icon but cant add tiny debuff icon for raven dot on boss

[dull plinth]

We can probably "guess" what is the msot optimal CS amount for auto

But is it worth it

[latent crest]

the forced delay is 48 frames at 60 fps, auto is and wastes a frame on forced delays, so it's 49 on auto

at 60 fps

[dull plinth]

I thiught only numbers from controlled character shows up

[limpid kindle]

own franchise = mid units

[strong crag]

Can’t accuse them of collab favoritism now

[dull plinth]

You're saying it's 119 frames between shots?

[strong crag]

[near topaz]

wheres that...

[dull plinth]

The what

[hoary reef]

its a debuff it won'tbe there

[dull plinth]

Oh yeah just land 10 full charged attacks and see the number ig?

[limpid kindle]

sb2 will fix it

[hoary reef]

but kraken has no icon too

[latent crest]

119 on manual, 120 on auto, 60 fps no CS

[hoary reef]

so

[limpid kindle]

like the first eva event

sb2 units will be good

[dull plinth]

Well 25% cs spd is probably the cap then

Idk if cs affects animation delay

Gatrix said it does on A2

Idk

[latent crest]

I have found no evidence that CS affects delay on SBS

[near topaz]

this is mast debuff, it show icon on boss, why tf dot not work...

[dull plinth]

So the answer is either 25% or 50%

[lusty sand]

Btw, has anyone reported Raven's "bug" to SU via in-game support?

[dull plinth]

It's not a bug

[hoary reef]

they should double the dot dps and make it every 120 frames

[lusty sand]

Or are we just collectively waiting for them to become aware and potentially fix it?

[dull plinth]

Or maybe it is

Cus that means Mihara's bugged too

If Raven's bugged

[strong crag]

This is shitup’s version of dot

That’s all

[dull plinth]

It ticks at half ticks technically

Cus it starts at 1.5s

[glacial elm]

Mihara: “It’s not a bug. It’s anticipation.”
Raven: “It’s not a bug. It’s style!”

[limpid kindle]

all of this was a shift up psyop

to show us that midhara is not that bad

[dull plinth]

Its very minimal on Mihara it doesnt matter at all

Cus the only one apparent is first tick on Burst Skill

Which is clown

[hoary reef]

dot stands for "damage on random ticks"

[dull plinth]

Nah shes S

Way too much manual to make sense

God bless auto players

[ocean kiln]

[gloomy topaz]

so basically dot can be whatever SU wants

what a company gosh xd

[hoary reef]

you can't blame auto players if your bis gameplan is to hit 1 frame shots every 4 shots

[gloomy topaz]

where's the consistency on how things works

[dull plinth]

4 ticks btw

[glad ermine]

I think the only thing that can save her in soloraid is her doing burst when theres 6 parts then her damage gonna get boosted at least

[hoary reef]

sky says 92 ele and its iron weak

doomposting time

[clear cloak]

L

[dull plinth]

Tbf Mihara is absolutely broken

Raven is no way near

We were expecting S1 to trigger current stack every shot

It did not

[hoary reef]

bro its iron weak...

[dull plinth]

She is manual heavy though.

Cus right now her stack damage is 11 stacks every 2 secs.

25.3 stacks over 4.6s

Optimal is 41 stacks

That's more than 50% damage difference

Still waiting for the day someone CAN perfect manual her

[hoary reef]

iron and manual malding

classic

[strong crag]

So

[glacial elm]

I despise that sort of manual heavy play but there is actually a chance that it’s the intended way to play Raven. See Bready, Crust, Rapunzel: Pure Grace

[strong crag]

Snow bald

Bald Eve

And now bald raven

Iron? More like I’d rather bash my head with an iron bar than do that

[dull plinth]

Perfect gameplay => SS tier

No manual => S tier

[hoary reef]

nah I'm 99% sure the gameplan is not manual to hit every 4.6 seconds with fullcharge

[tropic token]

This is proof that shit up fucking hates iron units man. They just decided to say fuck iron and flood us with electric

[strong crag]

@jaunty fern where SSS Raven you promised

[dull plinth]

They dont have testers

The testers are only there to tell them too much damage or too little

That is 100% not the game plan

[hoary reef]

no was this was enough damage

[strong crag]

You talking about damage or jiggle

[dull plinth]

Enough damage if we see Eve

[spice finch]

They won't have a normal testers, let's be honest

[strong crag]

[dull plinth]

Never intended to be strong

[glacial elm]

Imagining a tester submitting a report claiming that there weren’t enough jiggles because the monitor didn’t fall into his lap

[hoary reef]

I don't want stong, I just want my iron units to be in the top5 teams when we have 4 iron b3's

[strong crag]

I love stellar blade and wanted my girls to be strong

And this is what we get

[tropic token]

Same

[strong crag]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-stare-gif-26332648

[hoary reef]

https://x.com/arcana0993/status/1935447022120952258

あるかな (@arcana0993)

レイヴンのダメージが思っていた原因がだいたいわかりました

本来毎秒10スタックのダメージが入るはずの持続ダメージが
攻撃（更新）直後に謎の1スタックのダメージが入り、そこで大幅にダメージが下がっていたようです

仕様通りかはわかりませんが…...

X · Jun 18, 2025, 9:18 PM

THE PROCS FALLS OFF

[strong crag]

Translate pls

[hoary reef]

TO 1

YOU RAMP EVERY 10

OH FUCKING NO

[strong crag]

What the fuck

[glacial elm]

… it’s cyclical?

No wonder @gloomy topaz

[hoary reef]

wait let meread rest

[gloomy topaz]

what happened

[glacial elm]

I might have been premature.

Blame Elija. I run.

[river spoke]

she does 1 stack tick damage when she shoots

instead of the full 10 stack one

[dull plinth]

DoT delay confirmed with SSakura too. So its not Raven specific @latent crest

We are just seeing this big cus Raven applies it very frequently

[hoary reef]

so regardless of stacks the attack does 1 stack damage and next tick does the current stack damage

so every other tick is 1 stack

[glacial elm]

Which means constant shooting is neutering Raven

[ruby canopy]

are you speicifaclly talking about 2B's base shot damage being half of an normal AR?

[dull plinth]

Yes unfortunately

[bronze sun]

Ty gemini

[strong crag]

Just don’t shoot with her at all. That’ll show em who’s boss.

[glad ermine]

I think its intended cause shes shot 1 stack so it proc 1 stack first

If she shot 10 stack at once maybe that fix her

[keen sequoia]

Yeah, at that time that info is not on kit, and ppl assume she hits crazy hard with her basic attack until she’s actually released

[strong crag]

So it’s not a bug

She’s just shit

[dull plinth]

Exactly

LOL

Reapplication always inflicts 1 stack dmg

Stack increase inflicts current stack

[strong crag]

ShitUp cooked some disgusting vile shit this time

Nice

Props to the chef

[glad ermine]

The reapply should just says mirror the stack count or something that should fix her

[dull plinth]

Actual ASS

[dull plinth]

To fix her just write

If enemy has debuff stack, increase stack by 1 instead

This fixes a lot of issues

Well not all

Partially

[hoary reef]

I expect 10 pulls and a buff su smh

[glacial elm]

Yep

Unless the test damage is different from actual damage

Like they’re screaming at the intern, “We thought you told us she’d do 5b dmg vs Anomaly Ultra, what is this 1b dmg crap?!”

[dull plinth]

All info are in pin.

[hoary reef]

what if they broke something with the qol update

[bronze sun]

[strong crag]

Ok. 2 mins of extra loading screens added back and Raven gets a 20% dmg buff

[glacial elm]

But if the 1b outcome is their expectation, or whatever it is we’re seeing, we’re screwed If they fix it they’ll rebalance her numbers to be still 1b or whatever it is we’re seeing

[clear cloak]

yikes...

[glad ermine]

Game lagging so dot lagging too huh lol

[gloomy topaz]

damn manual gameplay rl each 4,5 seconds

this SR gonna hurts

[hoary reef]

4.6

[regal pebble]

raven is messed up man
I wonder how she fairs as a pure nuker with trina on multi part bosses instead

[strong crag]

Cope is over. Time we accept it

She’s shit

[steep totem]

[lusty sand]

Isn't this good?

[clear cloak]

nono, mihara is off element, while raven is on element, thats no good

[lusty sand]

How should one play her optimally? By interweaving non-full charge attacks?

[dull plinth]

To be precise 4.516

[lusty sand]

Oh right, that's doo doo

[dull plinth]

4.6 is just

Youre NOT gonna land it on 4.516 anyways

Thats some macro

Lmao

[regal pebble]

Yo i wonder how much low fps + min adjust is affected

[hoary reef]

grok said its fomo

[dull plinth]

Its 100% fomo

No reruns

[regal pebble]

Oh definitely

[dull plinth]

Post a recording of

• Raven attacks once. Wait 7 secs or so.
• Raven attacks continuously.

[regal pebble]

Okay

[hoary reef]

I'm ready for delayed sr and comp xdd

[lusty sand]

Why is a 4.6s delay between shots optimal?

[regal pebble]

Check Pinned msg

[tawdry stirrup]

Think its a bug or just wonky design?

[strong crag]

It’s not a bug

[regal pebble]

Spaghetti code

Probably wonky design

[tawdry stirrup]

Rip

[regal pebble]

I still wanna cope her nuke with trina on multipart boss

[dull plinth]

Hmmm I dont see any difference from 60fps

But the timing might be a bit different

[regal pebble]

Okay thanks

[stuck tree]

Isn't .46s ?

[dull plinth]

The what

Animation delay?

[stuck tree]

Raven's auto release time

[dull plinth]

Altros says 59/60 frames

If its 0.46s then

Hmm

Idk

[lusty sand]

so tl;dr for that is raven's instant dot proc from her attack is using the DOT at 1 stack for damage instead of the current stack for damage

How's that not a bug lol

Inb4 "We've fixed an issue with damage-over-time and stacking. This applies to: Mihara, Raven, etc."

[quaint garnet]

[dull plinth]

Thats not the bug

It was misunderstanding from Altros

[strong crag]

main thing is she’s doing the level of damage they expect her to do. If there’s a bug then they’ll rework her numbers so she still hits the same as she does now.

[dull plinth]

Technically it can be fixed and Raven would be better

[lusty sand]

Hmm

[dull plinth]

Technically

[lusty sand]

Okay I'm fine with her being mid

[dull plinth]

There are two types of stack increase in Nikke

[lusty sand]

Midven

[dull plinth]

Application and stack increase.

Stack increase inflicts current stack (Mihara's S2).

Application inflicts 1 stack only.

So...

Technically

They can make application behave the same way as stack increase.

But it will make Mihara more broken.

And SSakura.

[bitter ice]

raven skipped

[lusty sand]

Mihara isn't broken enough

[dull plinth]

[lusty sand]

I'm fine with breaking them more

[dull plinth]

Everyone wants that.

[lusty sand]

Actually I'm fine with whatever

[hoary reef]

imagine if they buffed dots, we get a pilgrim and limited summer unit buffs with it

the ultimate fomo

[spice finch]

If they do that thing with other comes chars - all just begun skip them to the older ones

[strong crag]

I just feel so let down by this whole collab to think they’d trash their own ip characters this way lol

Was gonna get the skin too but no fucking way for this mid thing

[quaint garnet]

I was expecting the rug pull the moment ppl were like "her dot is amzing"

[half rock]

I rolled MLB 😂

Can’t control the urges

[dull plinth]

God bless

[cunning saffron]

nah you got it backward, we need to get a pilgrim thats focused entirely on dots if we want it to be buffed

[dull plinth]

Someone needs to unpin Snake's msgs

ASAP

[half rock]

[dull plinth]

Im still waiting for a damage test with perfect Raven.

No one willing to do it for 3 mins straight

[hoary reef]

best I can give you is 4 seconds

[quaint garnet]

A friend just core 7 her what should i tell him..

[dull plinth]

"I love you (no homo)"

[gloomy topaz]

build me a chair and I'll test my 40 atk 99 ele raven

[dull plinth]

Or maybe yes homo if ure into that

[quaint garnet]

[dull plinth]

[gloomy topaz]

I refuse to manual 4,56 seconds

[dull plinth]

Nah its just between 4.5 and 5s.

It can be 4.8s

Or 4.7

Or 4.9

Or 4.6

Well best is 4.516 technically

[gloomy topaz]

the full 3 mins or only her burst?

[hoary reef]

and you need to spam shot meanwhile

and try to not reload

[gloomy topaz]

[dull plinth]

Start by full charging 24/7 to get 10 stacks of debuff then start doing it.

[gloomy topaz]

24/7 a week?

[dull plinth]

No I mean continuous full charging till 10 stacks then do the manual trick

[glacial elm]

“Son, I don’t think you can fix this Raven”

[dull plinth]

Do 3 mins for good reference for us all

Be our savior

[gloomy topaz]

I'll try guys

[mild flame]

I got like 500M higher with manual on shooting range, too annoying for minimal gain

[gloomy topaz]

lemme pick a beer

[dull plinth]

From how much

[mild flame]

4.7 > 5.2

[gloomy topaz]

it's hayde so from 100b to 100b and 500m

[dull plinth]

Her own damage?

[mild flame]

far from full optimal, since I did around every 3.5-4.5s

[dull plinth]

Hmm

[mild flame]

ye

[dull plinth]

Oh

Ure not doing it after 4.5s?

[mild flame]

but it's too annoying to count

[dull plinth]

[dull plinth]

Just 4 ticks

Release as soon as 4th tick pops up

[mild flame]

I did a few but felt like missing some timings

so screw it, and went 3.5-4.5s just to get a benchmark

[dull plinth]

It's crazy inconvenient

But at least we know it does improve her damage

[quaint garnet]

"I dont mind if she mid"

Dude is just in it for evil hot woman

[mild flame]

technically, could also do some fast shoots in between if you reaaaaally want to optimize

[dull plinth]

Yes

Until u run out of ammo

And forgot

And have to restart

[drifting patio]

whats going on theres bug?

oh no, anyway.

[mild flame]

also boss jump timing

[spice finch]

Boss jump
"I m invincible for ya, bitch!"

[orchid socket]

raven mid ?

[spice finch]

+-

Much lower than expected

[dull plinth]

It still hits no?

[orchid socket]

😢

[dull plinth]

Just the number harder to see

[spice finch]

Save pulls for mihara

[tropic token]

So 4 tick, release full charge rinse repeat?

[dull plinth]

Yes

4th tick number shows up

[tropic token]

That gonna be annoying

[dull plinth]

Release full charge

[gloomy topaz]

nah i cant fuck this shit imma sleep

[dull plinth]

Repeat

[gloomy topaz]

see ya

[orchid socket]

atleast 1copy enough

[spice finch]

Yep

Person without lb

[glacial elm]

He believed ShiftUp used logic

[livid anvil]

i'm stopping at 1 copy, they own the IP so they can rerun this any time they want at least

[orchid socket]

but still the game lag as hell

[spice finch]

At ROG phone 6 it works perfectly

Dunno

[glacial elm]

Speaking of which, what’s the rationale for a 90 frames delay for the first of subsequent ticks after initial dot tick?

[spice finch]

No make sense

[dull plinth]

Nah its a normal human error

At least we know whats right now tho

I was shocked too

Lol

Cus I kept saying theres no bug then he said theres bug so I went back to check myself

[livid anvil]

how so

[glacial elm]

Like why have this at all

[ocean kiln]

why does raven have to be a rocket launcher

giving me the ick

[boreal hound]

I just woke up

Can someone give tldr

[cosmic fable]

mid AF

[boreal hound]

Just saw something about her atk timing affect DoT

What is that

[glacial elm]

Eve > Raven

Raven mid
Eve smug

Raven DoT applies x1 stack every hit not refreshes, while stacks left alone ticks with current stack, so best manual play is shoot every 4.6s instead of every 1s (after full stacking to 10 stacks).

Gg. I kid a bit, that’s the comedic tldr. In actual fact idk if she’ll rock the charts when someone cares enough to manual her after investing big on her.

[cosmic fable]

check pins

for better explanation

[dull plinth]

Uh, pin. She sucks but damage improves by up to 62-65% on perfect manual play.

So uhh

[ocean kiln]

did i waste my mileage tickets on her

[livid anvil]

gotta do cringe manual gimmicks to get her best performance

[ocean kiln]

[livid anvil]

could have used those tickets on summer volume

[dull plinth]

Summer Volume?

[livid anvil]

god willing

[ruby veldt]

I'm waiting for fix

[dull plinth]

Leek

[ocean kiln]

you're right

i could've used them on helm

[ruby veldt]

[livid anvil]

summer helm 2

[strong crag]

Where are the next treasures

This collab is dead

🚮

[acoustic trench]

Mayor of frown town aah

[clear cloak]

thats.... wild lmfao

[regal pebble]

Surely they fix it
Well good for me mats saved for future use

[clear cloak]

honestly with SU recent behavior, i get the feeling, this wont get addressed and ignored until people forget lol

[dull plinth]

11 stacks every 2 secs is brutal

[clear cloak]

then magically 5 months from now, they have a random fix for DOTS out of no where since they finally figured out how to fix it

[dull plinth]

Perfect is ~54 over 6 secs. Auto is 33. Well.

• Auto: 11 stacks every 2 secs ≈ 55 stacks every 10 secs.
• 3.5s release (3rd tick): 31 stacks every 3.6s ≈ 86.1111 every 10 secs.
• 4s release (3rd tick): 31 stacks every 4s ≈ 77.5 every 10 secs (damage loss on imperfect release)
• 4.5s release (4th tick): 41 stacks every 4.6s ≈ 89.13 every 10 secs.

[muted wharf]

Saw these yesterday tho, but take it with a grain of salt

[dull plinth]

6??????

[muted wharf]

[potent ruin]

Moran favorite item?!

[dull plinth]

Nah probably Poli

[muted wharf]

It's a blabla event, but we'll see from here

[ruby veldt]

Nice glasses

[boreal hound]

Okay I read everything

We still have hope

Rmb RH incident

[scenic sable]

If they “fixed” this “bug”, she back to SSS?

[dull plinth]

That makes me wonder is Austin still playing

[dull plinth]

What is considered a fix?

[hoary reef]

just double her dot dps

its not like they never doubled a dps number on a buff

[clear cloak]

even if they did that, manual play would still be doing a lot more dmg. Auto is so broken with her, negatively

[scenic sable]

Hmmm i was thinking something like adjusting her numbers to compensate. Soemthing similar (not the same) as when Cindy was released with a “bug”.

[flint sapphire]

True, global players are the true testers. We even test before qol of other servers

[scenic sable]

So they need to change her mechanic altogether then? Or maybe SU will just overlook this.

[hoary reef]

imagine the whales who did excel math and c7'd her already

[boreal hound]

He's still playing

Anyway I got C4 in 240 pulls

[flint sapphire]

Probly how they overlook all the buff character suggestions sadly. Then they release the " are the collab characters satisfactory survey"

[boreal hound]

Will wait until fix to C7

[mild flame]

https://youtu.be/cpHv2-lovPc

I had to speed up a few timings due to losing track due to jumps
and maybe I even lost stack, but I wouldn't know

auto raven

and then this one with 4 ticks raven (I did level up gears from +2 to +5 in between and S2 to lv10, thus the CP diff)

[clear cloak]

LMAO optimal gameplay, thats actually funny, shoot then stop

[uneven raft]

worst than paper math?

[clear cloak]

she is doing 55% of her actual damage

[uneven raft]

so, you need enemy that never disappear, even for full screen QTE

[fiery pollen]

how big is that splash damage?

can she be used for pvp?

[tropic token]

Man after testing Raven a fuck ton is absolutely wild to me that Shift up straight up did there on IP like this.

Literally gotta have perfect Manual play to keep DMG on Raven good

Fuckers got me counting mid battle now

[flint sapphire]

Well at least it's kind of faithful to the actual game with the button timings.

The Stellar Blade experience if you will

[tropic token]

I guess but shit man having keep track of that while focusing on boss is gonna be a shit experience

[flint sapphire]

I guess some people are into that kind of pain

[tropic token]

After seeing a majority of providence attacks in the event story I can say it's gonna be fucked trying to focus on tick timing while that boss is moving and throwing out shit

Plus DMG is gonna drop a lot when you have to cover.

[flint sapphire]

Hopefully SU fixes dot someday but I think the Chinese version will have the qol buff first lmao

[tropic token]

Won't be surprised if they do get it first

[inland kelp]

cn players always eating good

unlike "global" players eating dick

[flint sapphire]

Well we are test server

[inland kelp]

[flint sapphire]

SU = sorry guys it will take months to fix this and that. CN= sure done

Anyhoo enough bout that

Hopeful for some Raven buffs at least

[tacit hull]

Isn't CN handled by a different dev?

[flint sapphire]

Such a waste of a collab

Already a feedback thread for buffs in maincord I see.

[clear trellis]

just wake up

[mild flame]

time to redeem yourself

[clear trellis]

her DoT drops and not refreshes?

[mild flame]

not quite

[flint sapphire]

You have to click time to have it not refresh

[clear trellis]

eh

dunno where to back read

I only have a bit time before going to work

[flint sapphire]

Eh just scroll up a few times there is an explanation on tick and firing

[mortal spear]

the DOT refresh ticks 1 stack and delays the next full stack tick

[flint sapphire]

Basically her kit doesn't synergize well with how dot works. Might be coding issue or working asss intended to prevent collab powercreep

[steep shell]

So is she as meta as you thought she would?

[crisp oracle]

Shes still 50% better than Lapslop.

[steep shell]

[tacit hull]

I'm pretty sure this is intended

[clear trellis]

so

every auto attack

she triggers base DoT

and prevent current DoT proc?

[cosmic fable]

yeah

[clear trellis]

doesn't look like it, i can still see 2 instances of dmg

[crisp oracle]

You gotta manual yeah

[glacial elm]

For you @clear trellis , if it’s clearer

[misty dawn]

Whale

[glacial elm]

If Raven shoots say immediately after 2nd tick, the whole flow resets and she injects the 1st tick at x1 stack numbers for damage

Then waits 1.5s before continuing onwards with 2nd tick at x10 stack numbers for damage (assuming you already full stacked)

So it’s basically a dmg nerf if you keep shooting frequently

[stuck tree]

The money supposed on bug fixing is went into 2 carts of switch 2

[glacial elm]

I forgot to ping with a new message, I posted a bunch of things above

[clear trellis]

still doesn't understand the mech. But based on any current DoT existed in Nikke, seems like they intentionally lower her DoT proc frequently to keep her dmg low

cuz in Mihara case, we gain 50% more dmg

in this case, from the JP chat, we lose 40% dmg

[vast lagoon]

Stellar Blade Switch 2 port???

[uneven raft]

raven playstyle just manual her full charge?

or spam shot?

[cosmic fable]

if you want optimal DPS then full charge x10 to max her stack and then fire every 4.6s afterwards

[clear trellis]

[steep shell]

[flint sapphire]

SU damage keeping Raven

[quiet prawn]

so Miranda Eve SW?

[glacial elm]

Only if SW remains highest ATK

[uneven raft]

I will put eve with helm because survivalbility

[glacial elm]

Otherwise Eve eats SW's Miranda burst buff

[uneven raft]

and free 15% crit rate

[quiet prawn]

probably not happening since Eve got more CP

imma check it :/

[uneven raft]

basically, Raven stack is done after 10 shots

if you shot again it would back to 1 stack again

[cosmic fable]

no that's just her autoattack's dot that ticks for 1 stack of DOT

[quiet prawn]

SW got more higher atk but eve got higher cp

[cosmic fable]

the ticks afterwards will be the actual stack count

[quiet prawn]

MIranda B2 SW Eve B3 I guess.

[fiery pollen]

if raven’s autoattack dot lands on a frame that is different from the 10 stacks of dot ticks, would this not happen?

like what if raven has some charge speed

[cosmic fable]

only for the instant tick

[raven forum]

So nothing can help her right?

[cosmic fable]

so lets just pretend you can attack faster than 90 frames

then yes she will ONLY do 1 stack of DOTs

[atomic leaf]

How fast is she shooting without cs ol

[cosmic fable]

no idea I don't like meth

[atomic leaf]

Meth is good tho

[fiery pollen]

i was thinking of raven+alice

[tacit hull]

wait, so you're sayin I have a tiny window of 0.5s to release the shot
and I have to do it constantly over 3 minutes?

[cosmic fable]

yes

have fun

[tacit hull]

yeah no I aint doing that crap

[stuck tree]

#surface-and-minigames-hub is filled with ppl malding parrying attack with .23s timing window

[uneven raft]

boss missing because full screen QTE, then you screwed

[stuck tree]

Boss doesn't have QTE

[zenith reef]

Is she bug? Or just low to mid nikke?

[tranquil umbra]

Did pulling for her was a mistake?

[tardy junco]

is raven worth to pull?

like her skill is good or nah?

[devout anvil]

is raven weak

[jaunty fern]

Alright I read kisenix pin

Damn she is mid

pull for iron SR

Otherwise skip

[jaunty fern]

[gloomy topaz]

Where's my sssss bossing?

[clear trellis]

🚮

S

[tranquil umbra]

So, she's at least useful

[clear trellis]

I guess Asuka is a mistake they are not willingly replicated

[tranquil umbra]

Eve

[clear trellis]

Eve-ning

[jaunty fern]

Math broke down

[tranquil umbra]

Well, I spent like 80 pulls so it wasn't bad

[jaunty fern]

What's this 90frame bs

[tranquil umbra]

And got a new pilgrim:3

[clear trellis]

yeah, impossible to predict this mech

[gloomy topaz]

That shit sold as 1:1 hood is not even useful thanks

[clear trellis]

the point is

[devout anvil]

why raven wears a bib

[boreal hound]

Iron is in shamble again

[clear trellis]

in Mihara, if she bursts, her burst deals its own DoT proc

[boreal hound]

[tranquil umbra]

I thought eve was actually good doing damage

[clear trellis]

while S1 deals its own frequent

so S1 triggers every 0.67s
burst triggers every 1s

they dont tamper each other

[tranquil umbra]

And raven was the mid unit

[clear trellis]

if you don't burst, she procs every 0.67s

[gloomy topaz]

Both are mid

[clear trellis]

now for Raven, if you hit, her burst is now delayed 1.5s

[boreal hound]

Eva > SB

[clear trellis]

[boreal hound]

I still dont believe AsukaW is that strong

She's a fucking mistake

[tranquil umbra]

Well, guess at least is better have them than not

[boreal hound]

They should buff Eve and Raven now

[clear trellis]

pretty sure this is the first time DoT behaves this way

[flint sapphire]

Penalizing a character for shooting in a shooting game

[clear trellis]

normally it will behave like Mihara

[gloomy topaz]

They should explain how a kit works well

[clear trellis]

because for Mihara, we are surprised but it's not out of bound

but for Raven, it's definitely something else

imagine you OT to make her kit bad

well, for now, both are specialist in their ele (iron weak)

[tranquil umbra]

Hey so, with the nier and summer reruns coming, is there a reason to NOT skip them?

[jaunty fern]

Raven is apparently slightly better than eve on manual

[clear trellis]

too complicated to bother

[jaunty fern]

You can skip nier and summer reruns

Let's see what new summer units are

And new treasures

[clear trellis]

you have to timing exactly after 4th stacks jump to refresh

[tranquil umbra]

So, nor even for sr

Ok thanks

[clear trellis]

anyway, time to take a look at our TL since they keep releasing ele specialist instead of neutral god

[jaunty fern]

• 2b, A2, SRosa have their uses

  • 2b in fire weak
  • A2 in PvP and rare case of fire boss with a shitton of parts
  • Srosa can buff Bready and MiharaOS, and maybe raven?

• SSakura is sort of xGuillo-like usable on wind weak

[versed minnow]

Even if she's doing Mihara numbers people are still going to call her useless

just like Midhara

cant use in storymode = useless

kek

[thorny forge]

SU needs to just give up entirely on dot

it's very clear they have no idea how to code dot consistently

they prob hand the coding job to an intern, test her in shooting range, then adjust multipliers to make her as good as they want her to be, regardless of how the dots actually work

[gloomy topaz]

Test? Coding? I thought they used an AI to build kits

[cosmic fable]

AI is the intern

[thorny forge]

AI would be more consistent

[cosmic fable]

they're still fine tuning it gotta feed it more charcoal

[jaunty fern]

@clear trellis

Laplace Vs Eve Vs Raven Vs Red Hood

No parts no core
No parts core
1 part core

What's it look like

Rh 1 part core is good

Better than pp as well

[clear trellis]

Laplace at max without any attack buffer (only attack damage, dmg debuff) is 80% of Red

with Mast maid Red is on her knee

it's pretty obvious since Laplace has huge ass multiplier without any ATK buff

this case is actually Rapi and Mihara

[jaunty fern]

So just do
Raven Vs RH

And we'll know

For 1 part

[clear trellis]

don't you have pic

[jaunty fern]

For 1 part?

No

Idk how much raven 1 part is

[clear trellis]

her dmg gains quite little with 1 part constantly break

like 12%

[jaunty fern]

[clear trellis]

at least she looks good against Heavy Metal

[jaunty fern]

Why are eve and raven so mid

[clear trellis]

so many DoT dmg

[jaunty fern]

TBF this is what most of us wanted a Collab to be like

So it's fine ig

Acceptable power level

A Collab unit didn't break the game

[clear trellis]

S tier is decent

[jaunty fern]

[cosmic fable]

because iron is mid

[clear trellis]

Asuka is not

[jaunty fern]

Goatsuka 1.0 and goatsuka 2.0

Simply the goats

@valid ermine

Raven is mid

[spring cloud]

Chainsaw man collab in shambles

[jaunty fern]

So we can basically just skip iron forever now

[spring cloud]

Anni 3.0 giga iron unit trust

[cosmic fable]

giga iron B1

[spring cloud]

Litter 2.0 🗣️🔥

[raven forum]

3rd anniv will be another Giga electric

[spring cloud]

Water is still forgotten

🥀

[boreal hound]

delete electric units please

What a ridiculous comp that can tank everything on every fucking boss

What is elemental QTE

what is elemental advatage

Just simply spam 14 bursts and you'll deal giga dmg

[thorny forge]

got her in a 10 pull at least...

[quartz grail]

Me when auto everything using electric

[thorny forge]

my curse of only getting mid/trash units on first 10 pull continues

[tranquil umbra]

Overspecs anis

[sharp plaza]

how about raven burst gen in pvp ?

[tranquil umbra]

Who cares about pvp

[spring cloud]

Speaking of Anis, it'd be so funny if SU collab with a K-pop group to make her theme

Cus SU is a Korean dev team after all

[tawdry turret]

But like

Even without bug she's still ok

Now she's just trash

[sharp plaza]

why be so rude?

i did anything wrong ?

[jaunty fern]

Wait a second, I will give

[tranquil umbra]

No, I was just saying

But why even use her? If you need burst gen helm and anis already exist

For pvp I mean

[cobalt gyro]

We almost got the sustained god called Bready

But got emergency nerfed

[spring cloud]

SU is gonna bring mobs into electric boss to stop people from slacking off on Cindy comp atp 🥀

[thorny forge]

lmao, full auto iron-weak scope locked

[sharp plaza]

try make team 5 better in champion arena

[thorny forge]

oh did I forget to mention that rapi didn't burst a single time

[spring cloud]

Truly golden child of SU

[jaunty fern]

1.4% per hit
She is not good

Slow shots, and 1.4%

Explosion range is 500, so normal RL

[spring cloud]

Will her nuke be good tho?

[jaunty fern]

No

[sharp plaza]

thank u Snake

[thorny forge]

pair of dogshit

not gonna full OL either of them, need the gears for actual good abnormal attackers (if those will even exist)

[spring cloud]

Abnormal units will never be better (probably)

SU already said that they wouldn't make omni-meta collab units

[tranquil umbra]

Hey speaking of old, I wanna ask, what's better to buy from the coop store? The maintenance kits or ol selector fragments?

[spring cloud]

Maint kit

[tranquil umbra]

The selectors are hiper expensive so idk

[spring cloud]

Selector if you run out of gear

[thorny forge]

I bought them both out

then spent rest on the cred

[spring cloud]

I have so much excess gear boxes that I have like 100 boxes unopened back when we were still farming EX Interceptions

[tranquil umbra]

Also, how could I get more currency next coop sesión? Challenge mode is full of dumb people shooting the white circles

[spring cloud]

#1103325188034134147

[tranquil umbra]

I just got 6k this time

[spring cloud]

Find your gals and pals who take runs seriously there

[cobalt gyro]

Emilia kinda broke pvp, right now she's a mainstay there.

So collab units right now have to suffer to not be broken in pvp

[thorny forge]

useless in pvp, mid in pve

trash

[spring cloud]

Oh yeah I forgot emidlia existed

[jaunty fern]

Only thing I wanna clap is midsummer Alice raven skin

[thorny forge]

idk man, I wanna skip that now

[cobalt gyro]

Ever since emilia we have always been getting non-pvp weapon types, or if we got RL like raven it has limitations

[thorny forge]

I won't be using raven after this raid maybe ever

since next iron raid is like a year away

[clear trellis]

Just 4 ele her and move on

If dont feel like it, 3% and move on

[thorny forge]

4 ele? you think rocks grow on trees?

[spring cloud]

Skins are just eye candy anyway

[thorny forge]

2 ele if she's lucky

[spring cloud]

You buy them if you like them

[jaunty fern]

Just don't invest in iron

Why are you investing in iron

[tranquil umbra]

Thx

[jaunty fern]

Invest in rapiRH

[spring cloud]

I bought volume skin and she's still gathering dust in my box

[jaunty fern]

And maybe invest redhood

[tranquil umbra]

Can I mask more about coop?

[jaunty fern]

Leave eve and raven alone

[clear trellis]

Invest in laplace

[jaunty fern]

I'm not investing in units that I use once a year

[tranquil umbra]

When you domfind a team, do you do just one run or all 3?

[jaunty fern]

[tranquil umbra]

I mean , in #1103325188034134147

[spring cloud]

Invest in liter
Deals ten quadrillion damage with 1 ele line trust

[jaunty fern]

Do all 3 runs in normal mode

When u find a team, do a run in challenge mode

Also, #questioning-centre

[thorny forge]

does she want ammo

[tranquil umbra]

You just need 1 pee day?

I didn't know

[jaunty fern]

You only need 1 challenge mode run over 3 days

[tranquil umbra]

a

[fiery pollen]

SU gonna release 3 iron raids in a row, just watch

[fallen moon]

m-my cp how else will i do high deficit campaign clears if i don't absolutely invest in her for b1 slot

[thorny forge]

1 ele 1 ammo

that's all she'll get

2 ol

[fallen moon]

vs these units

[thorny forge]

which skills are prio to get to lvl 7

[jaunty fern]

Ok tbh redhood actually sensible investment cuz she's also giving you ultra title

[thorny forge]

I'll reset them next reset period anyway, so might as well

[jaunty fern]

Redhood and rrh all u need

Eve and raven are like
Phantom level investment

[thorny forge]

not even giving her doll, rl dolls are at a premium

[jaunty fern]

Y'all still playing champs?

[thorny forge]

I stopped caring

is raven 7/4/4

or is her s1 so borked it's not worth even that

[jaunty fern]

Not sure I didn't really look at her tbh

I trusted the math

[tacit hull]

this confirms kht loves asuka more than his daughters
and for some reason really hates iron

[summer steppe]

min invest?

[vast lagoon]

Summer Asuka & Rei after Nier rerun

[clear trellis]

7/7/7

[thorny forge]

which one is highest prio to 7

[mortal spear]

bro how do you not have mats for 7/7/7

[summer steppe]

probably s1? s2 is kinda whatever, burst is also kinda whatever, but her s1 has both the actual DoT that makes up all of her "damage" and has an atk buff

honestly if it's jank enough, 4/4/4

[clear cloak]

if they dont say anything by friday, tbh at that point just assume they could care less if she is bugged and will ignore , just 4/4/4 her, not worth to go further or 7/4/4

[summer steppe]

eve 7/4/4 and then raven 4/4/4

no doll, no OL

that's it

(I have no abnormal pieces anyway)

[runic vector]

if only i could get my rocks back (my fault for rolling immediately anyways)
i personally don't regret SR5 on the both of them as well

[acoustic lake]

raven is bugged?

[clear cloak]

bugged and not as advertised lol

[cobalt fossil]

scope lock. neutral
1 - auto
2 - 1 shot in 4.5 sec

[clear cloak]

30% dmg increase by not attacking... so dumb lol

[fiery pollen]

literally only shooting once every 4.5s for 3 minutes?

that sounds chair-able

[cobalt fossil]

yes

need a fix because it looks like a bug

I doubt they intended raven to be like that

[devout anvil]

craven for some raven

[flint sapphire]

Lol I remember when people said Summer Neons burst making her lose DPS was a bug but working as intended. So yeah, not holding expectations.

Shame tho. That Raven skin is so nice

[scenic sable]

Hopefully. Cos that’s a really weird way to play

[clear cloak]

that is waaay to jank if thats the case

"only attack every 4.5 seconds"

it'd invalidate 2/3 of her kit

[flint sapphire]

Sadly, I don't think that's a new thing with Nikke character kits. They really need proper QA testing.

But yeah, guess they needed to buy lots switch 2s instead

[glacial elm]

She actually still doesn’t badly lose to Eve in shooting range if you just let Raven autoattack

But autoing Raven will still cost you a decent chunk of damage that may upset you if you are very competitive in Solo Raid

Sooo… if ShiftUp goal was to have Eve and Raven be roughly comparable, they achieved it

Looks crude to us but for them it’s satisfactory Because of the results.

That’s my impression so far

[clear cloak]

still false advertisement since her skills are not doing what they say they are supposed to do :/

[glacial elm]

By the by, someone tried a very built Raven (80%+ ele, 40%+ atk, max skills) vs Anomaly Ultra and said it was real bad… like “1b dmg bad” when even a similarly built Eve does 1.5b+, though I don’t know exactly how he fought that fight…

So your mileage will vary depending on the boss Raven is fighting. Assuming that she’s good against something out there

[clear cloak]

her damage is basically 55% of what it should be

if the dots actually procc'd every second for 5 seconds lol

[uneven raft]

then it's hard to manualling Raven against Providence

because you need fast reaction

[atomic leaf]

It does until you shoot it again

[raven forum]

You can do it 5 teams with full dps water in each team.

[spring cloud]

I didn't build fat Kira Yoshikage 🥀

[outer glen]

So Raven is not manual friendly?

[near topaz]

[jaunty fern]

Half of the things didn't hold true

[jaunty fern]

She is manual friendly for sure

But not auto friendly

She needs to be optimised

https://youtu.be/GT2PR3eKRGQ?si=sJWKe2Q-aVoqkVMg

Sky's thoughts, for anyone wondering what's going on

He did a really funny section on how he thinks raven ended up like this

He also says that if raven is fixed, mihara may be negatively affected

[outer glen]

Worth to get more copies?

[jaunty fern]

Not atm

She's just eve level dps

It's a solo raid only DPS right now until she's 'bug fixed'

[jaunty fern]

@amber belfry nihilister got nerfed along the way

[outer glen]

Hmm, so she is rank S because of the bug, but can be rank SS after bug fixed?

[graceful folio]

i hope she doesn't get fix

[jaunty fern]

She can be SSS if bug fixed

She is S right now

[fallen moon]

ultra hard UR will surely not have parts that insta break, making part damagers like aoe and pierce good

[jaunty fern]

Bro you don't understand that

Math-wise
Raven was supposed to do more than Mihara

[jaunty fern]

That's crazy stuff

Cuz mihara is really really strong

[outer glen]

Open a thread about this, guys.

[jaunty fern]

Well tbh

[outer glen]

Make the problem more serious.

[jaunty fern]

I'm not really into doing that?

Cuz

I'd rather

Raven stays this level

[graceful folio]

exactly

[jaunty fern]

Cuz she's a limited unit

[fallen moon]

i agree yeah

[outer glen]

she is buggy...

[graceful folio]

Wasuka was a big mistake

imagine wind raid without wasuka

[outer glen]

I mean it's SU faulst for badly design and have a bug.

It's not Raven fault for being strong...

The point is to fix the bug

[graceful folio]

this is Nikke, her power don't work here

[fallen moon]

fomoing (hyper) meta in collabs is super troll
she could be better than she is n i'd be happy, cuz mihara level as a collab is absolutely bonkers
asuka2 at least had the "downside" of her dmg taken debuff only being during her burst

[outer glen]

because who know if it affect the next DoT's NIKKE?

[tulip flame]

But it's not a Raven Only issue, right? I thought every DoT have this bug.

[outer glen]

Remember, we had SSakura and Mihara being affted by this bug

now Raven

and future's DOT NIKKE

[jaunty fern]

It's technically not a bug, yeah

As skyjlv said, I'm not sure how true this is but

If they patch raven, mihara may get nerfed

[fallen moon]

how is dot bready affected by the bug

[jaunty fern]

Which is not ideal at all

[jaunty fern]

She isn't

She and ssakura work in a diff manner

[fallen moon]

a few people seem to be saying that yeah
ig ssakura isn't or is irrelevant?

ah

[boreal hound]

Did your math include hit delay

[vast lagoon]

S.Sakura is on life support

[jaunty fern]

Yes

[tulip flame]

Wait I missed something, why Mihara would be nerf by a DoT fix ?

[fallen moon]

idk the internals of how the dots work, i just assumed the whole time that they proc every 1s or so until now

[vast lagoon]

Barely relevant even in wind raids

[jaunty fern]

Because right now, mihara procs her dot 125% more than she would normally

That's why mihara off burst is so strong

[vast lagoon]

Bug fix would basically make Mihara require to burst

Where currently bursting is super optional

So both less damage / more restrictive teams

[tulip flame]

Mmh, because when she proc a new Stack she doesn't reset the DoT duration, something like that?

[clear cloak]

the script or whatever they use that holds the DOT function can straight up just be copy pasted into another file and redone specifically for raven to not affect her(mihara)

[boreal hound]

I also expected her normal atk is better than now

She can't even hit 2 chambers while aiming at Ultra core

Meanwhile RH can

[clear cloak]

with their toilet paper level coding, have a DotScript2 is whatever

[boreal hound]

[clear cloak]

oh sorry 1 ply toilet paper level coding

[jaunty fern]

I'm gonna be honest, I'm not really really sure how it works since I just skimmed text on gatrix explaining it and sped up the skyjlv section where he explains it

But tldr is that mihara does more procs but has lower sustained damage %

Raven had lower procs but much higher sustained damage % which meant her dot should have done more damage than mihara overall

[clear cloak]

so raven has an issue where if you attack any time during dots, it reapplies the dot application and reseting the dot tick period for 90 frames instead of 60 frames, making it not apply every second but 1.5-2seconds, while the kit says every second. You can test this by not attacking after applying 10 stacks and ull see it actually proc, while the second you full charge attack, it breaks

[vast lagoon]

I think it's fine for Collab to be bleh kits

Look ahead, we've got:

• Summer Units??
• Absolute Overspec
• Matis Overspec
• Anis Overspec
• Xmas Units??
• Do Pilgrims Still Exist??

[wise nexus]

Did Summer Sakura and Rosanna aged well?

[jaunty fern]

But in reality, while it somehow just works out for mihara, not sure why, but it does

the problem where raven dot has a forced refresh on her dot timer which causes her dot procs to get delayed leads to her doing ~40% less damage right now than what was expected of her

[vast lagoon]

RosCO has held up pretty well considering high competition for B2

S.Sakura is trash

[clear cloak]

i guarantee its because of MG firerate and how the engine ties it to FPS

its speeding up the intervals

[wise nexus]

Damn, maybe I can still hold out hope that the next new Summer units are as good if not better.

[tulip flame]

I wonder if there is a way to fix Raven without nerfing Mihara then.
Of maybe making Mihara DoT mechanics the standard so everyone proc more stacks than usual

[jaunty fern]

Yeah they were useful for 1 year, but now they're almost expired

[jaunty fern]

The problem is they can't nerf mihara now