the moment i noticed her s1 works on SMG with training room K
#[K] New Unit Megathread
pure tiger
oak garden
Her event BG is goated. Ch1 event encounter is peak. The theme fucking slaps
Sadly she sucks at gameplay
west lintel
100% crit she's dealing about 500% of her attack per second just via shooting
shrewd yarrow
D killer wife?
west lintel
Offburst smg
still flame
who wants less ammo in ele team?
oak garden
who wants less ammo in ele team?
Only SAnis
pure tiger
exiaF
oak garden
And Exia T I guess
still flame
volume-sanis-k with another b2-b3 duo
every ele b3 has their own b2 duo rn
exia without cdr 
pure tiger
exia always without cooldown, kinda have to force it
for my hard mode MC runs, i would run exia with rouge, and exclusively burst with exia starting phase 2
crimson fjord
if she at least doesn't burst she can constantly rotate being in sub-2.5s rotating proc times on her last bullet
crimson fjord
since even with the debuff expunged she'll keep her initial lower ammo count
still flame
did anyone test her fully build up on offburst
sour sedge
you will
still flame
what if she lost damage on burst
pure tiger
if you time a last bullet proc right after burst time ends, halved mag size
crimson fjord
off burst she can then enter burst being 30 stacks at max skill level, first 2.5s being there, then 2.5s-5.0s at 60, then 5.0-7.5 at 90
fossil temple
If the attack buff was equal to the ammo lost that would be nice
crimson fjord
if you time a last bullet proc right after burst time ends, halved mag size
don't need to do that even
you just need to not be reloading
as FB ends
pure tiger
yeah, true
crimson fjord
that's the only trap situation
as off burst she can stack S1 way faster
but the issue is still that you have to go at least half the burst with only partial stacks
pure tiger
lol yeah...
pure tiger
the stack loss really does fuck her over, it's so unnecessary.
pure tiger
yeah, i mean, even if she were good, SB coming up makes it an ez skip
fossil temple
Let them know in the survey, give details about the what's and whys
pure tiger
cuz yeah, her s1 proc has so much potential, what a shame she loses stacks regardless of bursts
fossil temple
painful that she's not good 
crimson fjord
kind holly
Is she upgrade by providing personal dmg
fossil temple
Time for a strongly worded email
pure tiger
Is she upgrade by providing personal dmg
off-burst, the mag size down and dmg up is effectively permanent
crimson fjord
kind holly
Is the DMG up better than priv buff tho
pure tiger
kinda tough, cuz yeah, priv has reload, K doesn't
sour sedge
stop demanding meta
from BA
he spoke da truth
we come for 1 hand idle gameplay
pure tiger
it's true
zenith blaze
pure tiger
but still, gotta skip for the incoming collab
still flame
now do offburst
zenith blaze
She is offbursting
still flame
oh no
sour sedge
weaker on Doro on non pierce boss electric weak?
still flame
sour sedge
crimson fjord
Helm with no Helm treasure in scope lock?
sour sedge
Rupee level
crimson fjord
crimson fjord
strange choice to Helm then
zenith blaze
Helm with no Helm treasure in scope lock?
This was scope lock, which was not sure if it didn't take into treasure Helm
pure tiger
no
crimson fjord
it doesn't have helm treasure
pure tiger
scope lock gives everyone 0 OL, 0 item gear
zenith blaze
Ohh woops. Brain fart
kind holly
Burst with D
crimson fjord
kind holly
Then use dkw b1
west lintel
With fast enough Reload speed, can K make doro's cdr become reliable?
kind holly
I wanna see who wins
pure tiger
she could, yes
though it already somewhat is with privaty
outside of weird circumstances
west lintel
At least K is privaty that deals damage
pure tiger
effectively speaking, yeah
lyric trout
no, don't off burst
kind holly
Where the reload speed tho
lyric trout
pure tiger
K burst is legit not that good, lol
she literally is better off being a permanent SMG
the fact that her SMG is capable of proccing s1 makes it unironically better for her
zenith blaze
what do I use instead for Helm, Winter Maiden/Ludmilla?
kind holly
They made the worst SG possible
pure tiger
it's not necessarily that the SG sucks, but it's not a true SG, so it can't work with SG, lol
west lintel
Self damage i think its higher for her, just the opportunity cost of a better burster
lyric trout
How about T. Miranda?
kind holly
A SG that can't use tove, revolutionary
west lintel
They made the worst SG possible
Summer Neon says hi
pure tiger
an actual SG that fires 2.4/s, imagine if that got multiplied by tove aspd and got leona pellets for more crit procs
flat forge
They really fumbled if they make burst change weapon huh
First sneon change weapon brick her
Now K change weapon brick her too
lyric trout
She'll still get that hit rate buff
crimson fjord
if they made her burst change weapon but still stack S1
then it would've worked
but it doesn't
pure tiger
either one, those s1 procs would go wild
crimson fjord
so it's fucked
azure fern
an actual SG that fires 2.4/s, imagine if that got multiplied by tove aspd and g...
Leona: "You guys don't use me, you guys don't let me die either. What brought you guys to? back to me."
crimson fjord
like if it's a weapon change with a clip size of 1 that just stacks in 4 shots
it would've been p good actually
but
it's not
pure tiger
like, her weapon is in theory, really good.
that s1 proc could be devastating either way, lol
crimson fjord
west lintel
They just had to make crit to cap at 100stacks, else we could have used Flora to increase the crit stacks when she bursting
If crit was like 5 stacks, 15% each
pure tiger
the crit capping at 100 isn't the problem
kind holly
Just wait for her alt in a few years, gonna be way better 
azure fern
So skip, right?
west lintel
Could be viable
pure tiger
it's the fact that she loses it completely all the time when burst time ends
if it was just her own burst, it'd be way more understandable
or better yet, not at all
but only her own burst would've been reasonably good
so she had an obvious pattern to build up to 100% crit rate, then just go all out
lyric trout
At least she's enriched after losing those stacks
kind holly
How's sky's testing going
pure tiger
not mine, but someone building for K crit rate in mind, lol
don't take it as anything super srs
pure tiger
Or if burst, increase stacks by 50
that could help too, yeah. either way, as it stands, the stack losses really suck
west lintel
not mine, but someone building for K crit rate in mind, lol
All that work, just to match sAnis lol
pure tiger
lapis herald
Testing with scope lock but Miranda’s delay lets her get up to 90 before burst
pure tiger
oh right, cuz no cooldown
crimson fjord
Testing with scope lock but Miranda’s delay lets her get up to 90 before burst
that's just a dog team
pure tiger
i mean, she definitely loves to crit
but it's a bit much to exclude cd just to make it work
crimson fjord
that's the equivalent of a child and an adult athlete competing in a sprint and the athlete slows down so that the child doesn't feel as bad
pure tiger
like i said, don't take it as srs testing
at least, said that with the screenshot i showed, though again, not mine
anyway
crimson fjord
also funny scope lock since it means non-miranda treasure not buffing SAnis on the off burst
pure tiger
also funny scope lock since it means non-miranda treasure not buffing SAnis on t...
actually, sAnis would never get miranda buff w/o miranda fave item
anis burst doesn't give her any atk
zenith blaze
better than Privaty folks
west lintel
Released 1 year too late
pure tiger
ammo down, reload spd and ele dmg up
lol yeah
i guess K could work with some serious commitment to crit (volume fave item soon??? lmao...)
but it's just too much to make her work
west lintel
Tbf i think if 2024 she's a good nikke
wintry tulip
Nice easy skip
still flame
we got privaty, maid privaty and discount privaty now
wintry tulip
still flame
crimson fjord
actually, sAnis would never get miranda buff w/o miranda fave item
yeah I'm saying no 2nd target is fucking it
pure tiger
oooo
i see
also, i wouldn't say she discount privaty
technically better dps than privaty, but that's a low ceiling to break, lol
wintry tulip
Replacement for a bench Nikke 
west lintel
she just bricks half of the cast
There's that extra 10% att damage from K at least
pure tiger
ya
minor owl
pure tiger
honestly, wat a shame, lol
if she were permanently either weapon, perhaps
imagine a 2.4/s shotgun in SG team
pure tiger
or dual SMG with that s1 proc and more
still flame
There's that extra 10% att damage from K at least
priv has 23% tho
azure fern
standout among default's NIKKE.
west lintel
Att vs att damage
still flame
true
azure fern
SU should have make Arcana a filter, while K a should pull NIKKE.
tropic elm
Weakass Scope Lock run I attempted 
I made a mistake because I didn't realize Exia favorite item is gone in Scope Lock. So take it with a grain of salt.. it's whatever
azure fern
Imagine being in NPC's jail longest and have a trash kit on release.
tropic elm
Basically I think the takeaway from my run is that maybe I should worry about fixing my Summer Anis investment instead of trying to get K up to speed
azure fern
I didn't know K have a bunny skin (first 10 pulls)
west lintel
scope lock ignores OL
tropic elm
I know, the point being it appears Summer Anis is stronger baseline
And unlike other past characters with less relevant Scope Locks, this time both characters don't want ammo
west lintel
Try doro instead of siren?
tropic elm
What would that change? I mean, assuming everyone is "treated the same"?
tropic elm
Why not, I can. Any B2 and Flex requests?
west lintel
I am just trying to hope she works here
tropic elm
Someone already confirmed earlier I think
... Doro flex? Wth 👀
Looks like Doro flex can work as far as letting her proc CDR
You probably have to manual her to make sure she never prematurely reloads, though
west lintel
Yup
tropic elm
But eh. Might as well just make her the main B1
west lintel
Doro crown k sAnis... i dunno who else
tough granite
stop demanding meta
Then you get shit like Clay
autumn surge
So verdict?
tropic elm
Doro crown k sAnis... i dunno who else
How about Helm? 
More last bullet
sour sedge
final agreement: She used to be a menace, then SU splits her in 3. Now she's just K
west lintel
Can try but K already almost capping crit
shrewd yarrow
Guys guys guys K just needs 4 black crit rate and dmg rolls
west lintel
My goal is using less meta nikke, since meta nikke all get prioritised to the best teams
tropic elm
Guys guys guys K just needs 4 black crit rate and dmg rolls
She doesn't want crit rate rolls, I think
west lintel
Guys guys guys K just needs 4 black crit rate and dmg rolls
Crit damage
Not crit rate
CritD elem att
shrewd yarrow
Well that sucks
tropic elm
Can try but K already almost capping crit
This will take her closer to max crit rate, so it's okay
still flame
best we can do ammo rolls back to back
today sky got 5 ammo rolls back to back on testing
su knows
tropic elm
She's also mostly normal attacks, and Helm can help proc Crown. So why not? Though in shooting range scope lock, she won't be treasured
tropic elm
Doro crown k sAnis... i dunno who else
Scope lock, tried this this time
Going to unleash normal run this time
tough granite
Sakura
sad wife
trash design imo
stacks being cleared after FB for no reason and with 0 Benefit
west lintel
Scope lock, tried this this time
Looks like doro is still not good enough lol
tropic elm
This in progress test I'm doing is useless.
I just realized K stacks 10 at a time (instead of 30) and doesn't even actually halve ammo (I had 84 ammo after the reduction applied to 120 ammo, wth)
K needs skill levels. Badly.
west lintel
SU gave more books but also made skill scale more
tropic elm
1/1/1 no OLs K still almost beat offburst Helm, that's something. Offburst Helm had 10/10/- with OLs.
Neutral element fight (Fire-weak boss)
tough granite
Doro's CDR has always been "reliable" until the boss decides to go get milk
Used to be able to shoot at terrains to drain her ammo thi
but currently with almost 100% Reload speed
she'd just reload
kekw
hollow reef
She's just trony 2
But less hot
Anniversary filler wasn't trash enough to make people skip
still flame
my moron can't be this cute
lapis herald
4/4/4 no scope lock no ols 
hollow reef
The scarlet killer...
errant pendant
ok but does her burst weapon work with sg-specific buffs
?
if no then I assume she's doa
west lintel
ok but does her burst weapon work with sg-specific buffs
No
pure epoch
Moran looks so good wtf.. maybe she can be workable with trina 
K on the other hand.. I thought they would make her better to drain before collab
west lintel
Make meta nikke, people complain
Make skip nikke, people complain
Just cannot satisfy everybody
shrewd yarrow
Maybe she's supposed to be pvp unit
tropic elm
Some plausible electric team comps when neglecting heals
- Cinderella, Rouge, Ein, XMaiden, Mari
- Crown, RapiOs, K, SAnis, HelmT
- Isabel, Arcana, Scarlet, Trina, Liter
3 good UR teams for Electric. Well, possible teams
Dunno if Isabel comp can be improved, I didn't figure her out that much
thin pelican
final agreement: She used to be a menace, then SU splits her in 3. Now she's jus...
yes officer, this comment right here
kindred prairie
I'm getting pretty mixed signals on K, is she worth the investment?
kindred prairie
ez
bold skiff
I'm getting pretty mixed signals on K, is she worth the investment?
mixed signals from who?
everyone says skip
azure fern
Gachoke has K as well.
still flame
mixed signals from their lower head
sour sedge
I'm a collector
flat forge
Pulling is mandatory building is skip
azure fern
I'm a collector
You are a dumb-tor
Not gonna lie, I was expecting to get K.
Just like her enough to spent 30 pulls
flat forge
Gonna get the 160 achievement if eva has 1 free and 3 banners 
prisma hearth
bold skiff
why do these assassination murder nikke suck complete ass in pvp
summer crane
Pulling is mandatory building is skip
didnt skip mean also skip pulling...?
she is wishable anyway
bold skiff
and a wholesome dog and wholesome dog lover are somehow pvp god tier
flat forge
didnt skip mean also skip pulling...?
Yea for most people its like this but for collector like gatrix and me its like that
sour sedge
Maiden should freeze enemy's burst gen or stun them during B3
"stop"
Guillotine instantly kills a Nikke on B3 or something
bold skiff
sin should stun for 5 seconds 
flat forge
You know kotodama make no sense
Even sin ability cant effect nikke lmao
Gameplay burst wise of course
bold skiff
instant 1 nikke kill for guillo wouldn't even be that op kind of funny
basically helm b3
bold skiff
wtf is this waifu slander
sour sedge
until Guillo corrupted her
bold skiff
guillo carries
bold skiff
her issue is just lacking aoe
sleek snow
so K is trash?
shrewd yarrow
Crit damage is just too weak in this game
soft cypress
Damn she’s as good as original D
west lintel
Damn she’s as good as original D
Character development.
shrewd yarrow
Oh yeah good times when they made nikkes kit to counter one specific boss mechanics
west lintel
Her alt gonna be good
soft cypress
Yeah killer wife k will be good
Seems safe to skip
Eve is next
(Collab is next not a data mine post)
thin pelican
Yeah killer wife k will be good
Killer sister
soft cypress
Killer sister in law
glacial elm
killer onee san?
shrewd yarrow
Does anyone knows math behind crit damage and crits and how it works? I just know attack% stacking is good and ED but I don't understand crit
thin pelican
K - Killer Keysmith
sleek snow
nah K alt would be killer ex-wife
soft cypress
Killer missed connection
Anyway she sucks and it’s really funny
Thanks for the gems and tickets and costumes shift up
west lintel
Does anyone knows math behind crit damage and crits and how it works? I just kno...
It shares the same bracket as corehits, fullburst multiplier and range bonus
rain phoenix
can K make it to top 5 electric team?
rain phoenix
aight
bold skiff
my scarlet got killed when siren released and i needed to remove some ammo%
siren the real scarlet killer
scarlet frost
gritty path
Has anyone done decent investment and non-scope lock tests yet? 
If not, I'll brick myself and invest
errant pendant
I didn't even get a concrete answer on if her burst shotgun weapon works with sg-specific buffs
brittle scroll
maybe just 1 10x for the sake of collection?
still flame
don't ask me why he did crown tests
brittle scroll
or is she rly that bad
gritty path
She's not bad, but she's not significantly good, either
Basically, for any veterans who have the core meta units, she's basically just an electric-weak raid unit
still flame
K looks like is almost same as off ele mihara or xlud ish on offburst
gritty path
With UR not allowing run refunds anymore, she's not even high priority for UR anymore 
still flame
with60% ele
bold skiff
he says k is offburst
gritty path
K's biggest boon is buffing S Anis 
bold skiff
what do the numbers mean
distant haven
barely better than off ele helm
cringe
though if if is off burst K i can kinda see it cause no crown attack buff
also why the fuck do people test sync lock its useless
brittle scroll
yaeh
well ok i'll just throw 1 10x at her and hope to get lucky ig
it's like throwing a single pokeball at rayquaza
bold skiff
you will still catch it
elder hawk
Skip
elder hawk
This is all you had to do @sour sedge
distant haven
idek why people bother testing
elder hawk
K I'm going back to sleep
distant haven
shes off raid unit with collab right there
brittle scroll
I see some trash, but she is not within said trash
brittle scroll
but that's not showing off...
elder hawk
Got better units than K
brittle scroll
i mean... ig so, i got 2 anis
shrewd yarrow
4 times attack 4 times crit rate and 4 times crit dmg guys it's the way to go for OL 
elder hawk
@crimson fjord assuming we get gluttony electric weak
is there any way K sees play in your opinion?
elder hawk
<@149237425510547456> assuming we get gluttony electric weak
is there any way K...
Or is it just better to use a neutral DPS like mihara
distant haven
its 4x ele 4x attack 4x crit dmg
elder hawk
they’d be diff teams bro
Lol I mean in my eyes K is some team 4 thing
Or team 5
She's not going with s.anis
distant haven
K would just slot onto s anis ein team
elder hawk
I think
distant haven
whats the usual s anis team
elder hawk
K would just slot onto s anis ein team
And replace who
distant haven
i dont fuck with electric
elder hawk
And replace who
Exia Crown Ein s.anis dwife
distant haven
whats the usual s anis team
for SR specifically
brittle scroll
cindy, rouge, sanis, xmaiden, blanc is what I run
distant haven
they run crown??
elder hawk
they run crown??
Yes
distant haven
cindy, rouge, sanis, xmaiden, blanc is what I run
well for 1 team yes
elder hawk
Cindy goes to grave with RHB1 and maiden
distant haven
Yes
i wouldnt know since ein is never getting built
but ic
assuming team 4 is like
rapi b1 b2 mihara electric? helm
i pray for b2 iron mg cdr eve every day
anyways i dont see how K would fit there
she just harms the team with the ammo cut
wait actually no
okay team 1 is cindy team
whats team 2
pure epoch
She's so useless cause i don't see an electric raid for ages.. like its usually DPS units = Solo raid.. at least from my memory
We have so many elec dps already.. when would the next one come out? Logically.. should be ages
Then again SU made Siren/Mihara wind/fire so who tf knows
inb4 eve is electric
bold skiff
doesn't even matter for the majority if players even if there was an electric raid coming up
wouldn't need her
autumn surge
She's so useless cause i don't see an electric raid for ages.. like its usually ...
Electric dps is a fierce competition
pure epoch
Yep and she's at or near the bottom of the pile.. ow dead 2 weeks
polar raft
I'd assume she'd at least be useful in Elysion tower because the lack of DPS there
autumn surge
You got Rapi lmao
pure epoch
I dunno cause my ELY tower is not particuarly high level.. but i think 3 slot auto goes to rapi/maids then helm
K burst is wack so not much use imo
neat smelt
Someone did math on her ?
minor owl
Go for another 17 hours
elder hawk
Go for another 17 hours
Soon
minor owl
Like my cat
elder hawk
Like my cat
robust vault
what do the numbers mean
That the K is not invested
autumn surge
Note: If elysion and burst skill change to shot gun, they’re shit
Proof: Sneon and K
shrewd yarrow
Guys you just have to roll perfect crit rolls on her gear
autumn surge
Guys you just have to roll perfect crit rolls on her gear
Mf, we did use Miranda to test
Not worthed
shrewd yarrow
Not worthed
robust vault
assuming team 4 is like
Maids dont have good pairing yet for Electric. SBS Alice doesn't work.
polar raft
You got Rapi lmao
I dont have her 
robust vault
With good timing it is possible to get 60 stacks of S1 before her rotation + Mast buffs.
polar raft
my current Elysion DPS are Helm, Guillotine and Privaty i think
bold skiff
pull a rapi
polar raft
rip K dead on arrival
bold skiff
it will help
shrewd yarrow
It's not fair
rain phoenix
she was immediately shot dead the millisecond she left NPC jail
No jail breaking allowed
robust vault
Unfortunately no one tested those teams yet
distant haven
Maids dont have good pairing yet for Electric. SBS Alice doesn't work.
oh right
ig she just goes there
gritty path
no one in their right mind pulls
It's called being a whale
Or not caring about collabs
hollow reef
Exia returns from the trash bin?
bold skiff
has exiatr ever left electric raid
prisma hearth
<@149237425510547456> assuming we get gluttony electric weak
is there any way K...
only case I see so far is K with SAnis
To boost SAnis dmg
autumn surge
As you can see in the image, raid has all comp has at least 1 electric
On a fire raid
tropic elm
or is it just no ol comparison
Just a no OL comparison, and I'm worried that investing will only bring her up to SAnis level. As in, if you hyper invested SAnis, it'd be the same or better than hyper invested K So I'll just wait for someone else to show us we're wrong
distant haven
latest electric raid top score
this was before maids though
bold skiff
yes it was before plenty of characters
exia hasn't had a chance to be binned because her raid hasn't popped up since
that's the point
only shelved like iron
you know iron? not many people remember
thin pelican
you know iron? not many people remember
gritty path
exia hasn't had a chance to be binned because her raid hasn't popped up since
t...
Except that Siren may actually increase Exia stonks
bold skiff
i'm expecting her to pop up
gritty path
Biggest issue with Exia is lack of CDR, and DKW barely offers anything for the team
distant haven
yeah but would she beat out a neutral team with rapi and siren
otherwise she’d still be stuck with D
shell sorrel
what if doro, mast, sanis, k, priv
gritty path
Why Mast? 
lyric trout
I didn't even get a concrete answer on if her burst shotgun weapon works with sg...
I dun think so 
Her weapon icon still stays the same during FB, just like SW
shell sorrel
Why Mast? <:yabai:763281120770261022>
idk for crit
can change for any other good b2 lol
shell sorrel
what if doro, mast, sanis, k, priv
wait
replace mast with marci and its just the old doro sanis comp lmfao
jsut with k instead of scarlet
sharp field
random screenshot I found
distant haven
idek why people are bursting she’s meant to be an off burst
shrewd yarrow
idek why people are bursting she’s meant to be an off burst<:Priestessusedtoit:7...
No way just like yoimiya from genshin impact?
reef wing
funny you mention her cause both are voiced by kana ueda
shrewd yarrow
funny you mention her cause both are voiced by kana ueda
Ok you know what now that's a funny coincidence
I didn't know that
reef wing
only reason I rolled for her still even if sKip
raven wadi
So, what have been the findings so far?
double sg, 10 pellets between the 2 guns, stacks resets every full burst means she struggles to stack to 60 with good cdr+burst gen for her own burst (i tried with rapi crown trina k sanis in scope lock ~4.5s of burst gen time since i have 0 ammo on my trina but charging to try and get proper gen)
dense rose
Hopes of her magazine being lowered to combat this? Or she straight up must not be used on a CDR team
Which by itself makes it copium
raven wadi
Hopes of her magazine being lowered to combat this? Or she straight up must not ...
i went from off burst -> burst to test it so mag is already lowered
west lintel
She should have 70% ammo reduction instead and she suddenly gets so much better
raven wadi
im pretty sure with 3s gen window ur probably going to have a rough time getting stacks unless ur last bullet hits right after full burst
mine ended around 30 ammo left
dense rose
Now a less ammo cube sounds promising 
raven wadi
raven wadi
She should have 70% ammo reduction instead and she suddenly gets so much better
ide accept it if it only reset after her own burst ngl
like mihara dot
on both bursts is kinda 
west lintel
70% reduction makes stacking at least twice easier before she bursts, while also making sAnis always 1ammo even when not bursting
We should have gotten a 2025 priv upgrade instead of a 2024 one
gritty path
~~only reason I rolled for her still even if sKip~~
Brother 
cerulean hinge
waiii so she's mid right
shrewd yarrow
waiii so she's mid right
Even worse
cerulean hinge
Even worse
oof
gritty path
No, mid is accurate
cerulean hinge
I wish they would release some meta units
gritty path
They do every month
cerulean hinge
They do every month
oh
shrewd yarrow
I swear if collab unit is 5 second assault riffle burst 3 electric with last bullet kit that would be the most insane build up ever
dense rose
I think SB collab is coming mid/end June
Next maintenance is a big one
You can tell becuase of the time the banner ends
summer crane
You can tell becuase of the time the banner ends
dense rose
Ends at 12am Kr time, the usual time big maintenence for collabs or anniversary start at
prisma hearth
summer crane
prisma hearth
Eve Iron with new Iron treasures?
dense rose
If the banner ended at 5am , the usual time for reset then yeah, next would be a normal one
sour sedge
confirm that every 2 ammo, she triggers her S1 once
prisma hearth
Please dont do double banners in collab
dense rose
Triple, take it or leave it
prisma hearth
sour sedge
her burst is 5x2 so only 2 procs is triggered every shot. And urghh, each shot is independent, so 2 shots doesn't make it 20/4 = 5 triggers but 4 only
may be it relates to her stupid ass hit rate
let me test again
shrewd yarrow
Something is bugged
shrewd yarrow
They seriously released I would even say 2023 kit because just check out Arias kit the buffs suck but they synergize and also with volume
mellow cove
she literally is better off being a permanent SMG
SUMMER NEON FLASHBACK
mtfk someone showed me summer neon off burst better than on-burst a year ago
my head ouhhhhhhhhhh my head
dense rose
Ends at 12am Kr time, the usual time big maintenence for collabs or anniversary ...
Just to add up to this, I have never seen a banner end up 5 hours before reset if it wasn't because of a big update.
mellow cove
well this is obivous
i mean yeah u r right
next part should be a big one
i was kinda worried about... SR schedule
but now it seems like they delay it
raven wadi
her burst is 5x2 so only 2 procs is triggered every shot. And urghh, each shot i...
dont they also need to crit
raven wadi
<:anisBruh:1043687145916870758>
im somewhat worried about her stacks if u run good burst gen+cdr 
ngl
raven wadi
does she benefit from tove/sg buffs?
sour sedge
she's just there and eats some leftover
15s fb
you can enjoy your shit ass crit longer
and they have no CDR
so you have your time to build stacks
especially when Tove fails 3 stacks before B1
raven wadi
is it really worth considering ur getting like next to no buffs on her 
like tove just buffs n3x atk speed to comparable % from existing in that team anyways
i think?
with atk bonus ontop, maybe a drake
toxic wedge
replacing N3x
west lintel
I swear if collab unit is 5 second assault riffle burst 3 electric with last bul...
add in FB reduction skill as well
shrewd yarrow
add in FB reduction skill as well
5 second burst
shrewd yarrow
So that's it , that's all there is to K. Absolutely bricked unit. There's no hope. I'm guessing B tier
crimson fjord
<@149237425510547456> assuming we get gluttony electric weak
is there any way K...
hard to say
mental tusk
So inconclusion should I pull for her or is she a meme unit like arcana?
spiral vigil
So inconclusion should I pull for her or is she a meme unit like arcana?
Feels like she might get better with a more dedicated last bullet comp or some buffer for LB
Right now though she's a C/B tier unit
shrewd yarrow
Feels like she might get better with a more dedicated last bullet comp or some b...
This is copium
spiral vigil
Brother I still believe in true damage and sustained damage comps
I been addicted to copium
shrewd yarrow
Just like with True damage. We can now make functional true damage team with 5 units having true damage kits but no one is playing that
spiral vigil
Eh. I think true damage just needs 2 good attackers and it'll be good. Something on the same level as SBS or FI Drake
bold skiff
everything can be amazing even sustained
shrewd yarrow
We literally have ein ans laplace treasure
bold skiff
just depends on the support for it
spiral vigil
Idk if SU is committed to actual good buffs for true damage though
bold skiff
release a new character with busted numbers and it's a done deal works every time they re-release crown which they haven't done yet
shrewd yarrow
When was the last time we got burst 3 so mid?
gritty path
Just like with True damage. We can now make functional true damage team with 5 u...
Pretty sure that I saw someone cleared AI Ultra with Frima and Laplace 
spiral vigil
Why didn't they just release her as a SG SU.....
gritty path
That would require redesigning her models
bold skiff
what's the point behind capping her ammo% to not work with other effects btw
would she have been broken or something
shrewd yarrow
Man imagine if she was shotgun that just gains buffs on burst maaaan she coul use tove and leoana and drake buffs...
formal stump
yes it would've been broken, imagine 1 ammo doro or priv constantly activating their last bullet effects
infinite cdr
spiral vigil
what's the point behind capping her ammo% to not work with other effects btw
This is the part I don't get myself. LB but it seems counter-intuititve to pairing her with LB teams
bold skiff
then perhaps it would have been a good idea to give her a slight amount and have it stack so actually it would have been competitive
formal stump
that'd probably be worse because then you'd be forced to run both to get something usable
spiral vigil
She feels like she has a 2023 kit but slightly updated for 2025
bold skiff
i'm down for a 'worse' version that's actually good
formal stump
they could easily have made her good without changing the last bullet stuff, they just didn't
I would not call it not stacking the problem with her kit
bold skiff
nobody is calling it a problem lets be real
spiral vigil
They could've made her burst actually synergistic with her kit
bold skiff
but i am calling it a fun mechanic they could've done better with
they didn't learn from sneon
spiral vigil
Like she feels like two different characters
bold skiff
that was 1.5 y ago
formal stump
and it'd cause lots of problems in the future, so I'm not surprised they just limited it now to not have a massive headache on their hands for later chars
bold skiff
only a problem if they forget which would make them idiots
and tbf you are right they are idiots
bold skiff
that's why they should've balanced it
instead of removing the fun factor
now it's just lame as fuck
formal stump
balancing takes a lot more time and effort than just making it mid
bold skiff
yes it takes time
formal stump
and she ain't a pilgrim, so I'm not surprised they didn't bother putting in the effort
bold skiff
no balance because why bother lol
costs money after all
shift up doesn't like spending it
formal stump
and people have been constantly asking for skip banners for a while now because too many good units draining people's funds, here's the skip unit and ofc people still complaining
bold skiff
they already skip quality control
if they can't be bothered to do quality control ofc there is nobody there to balance anything either
formal stump
too bad for k lovers that it happened to be k as the skip
but people wanted skips and here's your skip
spiral vigil
I mean arcana was a skip too lol
bold skiff
yep
formal stump
there you go, making sure people have gems to roll on SB 
bold skiff
you mean go back in time
and pull more sb?
at least i'm glad we all agree
they can't be bothered balancing fuck all
these things are always very hard to imagine for people when they discuss things like this
but they can for example make it stack and have a hard cap on the minimum amount of ammo a character can have
shrewd yarrow
4 copies of sbs better than 5 mid nikkes
spiral vigil
I mean. Look at what they did with Trony. Releasing a mid ahh char. And then we had people like rumani who....lol Ig we needed an SSR Anis for PVP
Recently OS Mihara doesn't feel worth the 1%. We had FI Milk. Frima. This has been going on for longer than this year tbf. Like ever since last year with the insane quality differences. We get Ein but then we get Zwei (One shot team copium aside), or we'll get someone like Clay and Trony but then DKW and Rouge
gritty path
Calling Trony mid is way too kind
bold skiff
4 copies of sbs better than 5 mid nikkes
it's better to have 3 copies of sbs and 1 midhara tbf
spiral vigil
I've just accepted they pull a lever and a character gets landed on the DKW dev or the FI Milk dev
shrewd yarrow
it's better to have 3 copies of sbs and 1 midhara tbf
Too bad for me
spiral vigil
We get Mana and then we get this.......2023 ahh char
gritty path
Neve and Brid used more in solo raid than Trony 
bold skiff
maybe sugar too if they actually do iron raid again
i wonder if soline could be used again maybe she fell off completely
spiral vigil
Okay. At least. K is better than D. So that means K alter will be better than DKW
It's not KOver yet
gritty path
K: Killer Husband where she's crossdressing as a male Alice tier
shrewd yarrow
Neve and Brid used more in solo raid than Trony <:kekYep:1008468710882811955>
Fire solo raid?
gritty path
One singular person within the top 50s used Trony vs Massive Object and Mat H (Alter)
True foot simp
shrewd yarrow
When it turns out k is skip unit because she's mid and not because collab is next
eager harbor
When was the last time we got burst 3 so mid?
Bready
you either have the right buffers to use her on Water Weak raids, or she sucks in every content, being outclassed
shrewd yarrow
you either have the right buffers to use her on Water Weak raids, or she sucks i...
Well that's that's how the game works
You use right buffers. Isabel without arcana is useless
Meanwhile k is useless in any team
eager harbor
unlike K which everyone will skip, Bready was a 50/50
half of the players pulled her and the other half (including myself) skip her for the anniversary
100% worth skipping Bready since i got MLB Siren
but for K, she sucks and we have a collab very soon
shrewd yarrow
K sucks so much it's not even funny
It's like if they transferred the aura of how much crust kit sucked into her
eager harbor
the only hope now is that K gets an Alt in the future (maybe 2026) that will make her very good
just look at D when she launched
shrewd yarrow
That's not making K good that's just making another K that good
shrewd yarrow
I understand now
tropic elm
Is K not even redeemable?
I mean, it's sounding like you're all saying she's worse than bringing Scarlet offburst or something...
shrewd yarrow
I think she will be usable in electric solo raid if you pair her with pirate maids
Her selling point is she has almost 100% crit but to achieve that you can't burst too fast and not bursting is dmg loss so you need crit rate anyway
Doro, pirate maids, summer anis , k
That's it , that's all there is to me just one team for electric solo
west lintel
I think K isn't a bad unit per se, just pretty mid and skippable
We do have absolutely bad units
shell sorrel
from what i understand k is good but she's like team 4 material so easily skipable
azure fern
Collab incoming!
Gatrox will regret he have no gems to get Eve because he spent on K
(He spent 60 pulls btw, I spent 30, and I'm not salty for not getting K, I got Bunny Soda and Doro instead)
I don't play Stellar Blade, I only know Eve but I guess we will get 2 new SSR.
lapis herald
land eater hard mode is a bit better for testing sg; this is with 4/4/4 no OL on K
tropic elm
Yes, if they ever start doing 1 SSRs only for major stuff like this, a lot of people will acquire a gold mileage advantage that they need to drain with a triple or quadruple banner
lyric trout
[7-7-7]
27.98% Crit Dmg
16.55% Ele
9.7% Atk 
lyric trout
lyric trout
thin pelican
60% of SAnis 
wintry tulip
Trying to compete with 2023 Nikke 
thin pelican
and lost
robust vault
16.55% ELE
U guys are being too overdramatic
Anis also gives herself ELE duh
And K also increases her damage
Notably
She is decent
For an electric weak solo raid
I mean Arcana and Isa are still better
But she will be used in Electric weak solo raid
lyric trout
pure epoch
I don't play Stellar Blade, I only know Eve but I guess we will get 2 new SSR.
Eve and Tachy will be SSR.. Lily SR.. I wouldn't be shocked if they go mega scummy and put raven as an extra SSR.. they did it for the first eva collab
true ridge
Wow SU has been releasing good units lately
azure fern
Wow SU has been releasing good units lately
yeah, good QOLs as well for CN
shrewd yarrow
Two electric buffers to buff K
shrewd yarrow
We just took a bath bro?
chrome wren
basically what im reading here is that K is mid even if you have sanis/ maids anchor+mast
unfort
hollow reef
azure fern
What do you mean K stinks? don't you see the CG's reward?
gritty path
43% element, 18% ATK, only two OL
shrewd yarrow
Wait till they release character that gives 200% crit dmg
lyric trout
Volume treasure for sure 
covert locust
hollow reef
K event arc
it's literally just going to be a rerun of the Maiden arc
but Maiden got a useable alt at the end
so maybe they made K shit on purpose to give her an alt that makes her actually playable in a year?
or at least a treasure
if she gets a treasure that makes her actually good at the end of her story it would be pretty kino but also pretty cringe if they just lock her in NPC jail for 2 years only to lock her in event jail for another year before she finally becomes playable
shrewd yarrow
Mid raid better than off element unit
tropic elm
Wait for buffer that gives insane buffs but only to characters with one letter names
The kitchen isn't on fire. It's lava!
shrewd yarrow
New treasures will save k
lyric siren
right after said buffer is released, another meta breaking pilgrim is introduced
shrewd yarrow
Yes
tropic elm
right after said buffer is released, another meta breaking pilgrim is introduced
Uncrown.
B3 shotgun carry that generates HelmT-like burst energy and switches to high atk ratio piercing machine gun while receiving shotgun buffs and dealing distributed damage to a small area that effectively translates to OP single target damage on a boss.
With CDR and buffs to others’ rng procs. Hello happy camper Tove.
lyric siren
Uncrown.
B3 shotgun carry that generates HelmT-like burst energy and switches to...
you should email this to SU CEO, sounds completely balanced and not broken at all
tropic elm
Already will be made available when an Iron raid is 
||aka, Never||
shrewd yarrow
Uncrown.
B3 shotgun carry that generates HelmT-like burst energy and switches to...
That will be kit of that chimney or whatever nikke you know that little gremlin that follows crown
gritty path
Chime 
tropic elm
I can’t picture Chime with a shotgun. When she tries to fire a shot, she immediately disappears from the squad combat because the recoil threw her out of range
eager harbor
I can’t picture Chime with a shotgun. When she tries to fire a shot, she immedia...
i think it only makes sense to her if she holds an SMG or RL
most loli characters use SMG or RL anyways (Miranda, Soline, Liter, Crust, Anchor)
gritty path
Those were fake leaks
Crown was never RL. It was just a guess someone made based on shooting poses and posted online
distant haven
Crown was never RL. It was just a guess someone made based on shooting poses an...
i see lol
shrewd yarrow
Is there no one testing it
Depending on team she's slightly better or worse than summer annis so I guess noone is testing her anymore
shrewd yarrow
I can only imagine someone investing into K if they don't already have invested privaty for ellysion tower but then again I think privaty would still deal higher dmg 😵💫
But maybe I'm biased because I have max core privaty
hollow reef
K doesn't buff reload speed like privaty so she's just a nerf for your team if you don't run her with maids or crown
shrewd yarrow
no one will use her, raid or tower
She will be used in raid
shrewd yarrow
Working on it, but gear exp is pain
No way bro is building k for real
gritty path
3x atk 3x ele so far
shrewd yarrow
Where crit?
hollow reef
How many crit lines do you even need?
shrewd yarrow
How many crit lines do you even need?
Need to what
Crit rate you don't really need ,maybe one roll and you want crit dmg in third slot because all other rolls beside attack and elementall are useless
elder hawk
3x atk 3x ele so far <:heh:1008474357519097946>
whats her performance like rn
do u have any ss
all i have is math
elder hawk
43% element, 18% ATK, only two OL <:kek:798677933253853245>
what ol is anis and what ol is k
and dupes
gritty path
What comp do you want and vs which boss?
elder hawk
What comp do you want and vs which boss?
i guess if u can do land eater itd be nice
ExiaT crown k sanis DWife/Siren
gritty path
kk
dense rose
Siren is so awkward to fit on electric teams
dense rose
Yeah but you could potentially fuck S.Anis' S2
dense rose
Exia should be fine for burst gen right?
elder hawk
Exia should be fine for burst gen right?
she reloads after every 5 ammo
with k she has like 2 ammo
elder hawk
with k she has like 2 ammo
thats a good thing but
still
so either dwife or siren
both work
not like any electric team has mgs
dense rose
Dwife and swap between Exia and her to burst gen maybe
elder hawk
Yeah but you could potentially fuck S.Anis' S2
why
you need to burst with siren to fuck it up
gritty path
i guess if u can do land eater itd be nice
Full auto?
Or tryhard?
(aside from QTEs)
elder hawk
Or tryhard?
try
gritty path
S Anis got one extra burst in this run
S Anis looks like this. SR15 doll, core 7, max bond
K is 4 OLs, all +0, SR5 doll, LB0, Bond 1, 10/10/10. OL rolls are 65.05% ele, 30.34% atk, 20.1% hit rate, and 15.46% crit damage
elder hawk
i guess k is 90-100% of anis if equal
elder hawk
S Anis looks like this. SR15 doll, core 7, max bond
thanks a lot
gritty path
While I'm at it, I'll do seamaids
Seamaids, M Mast with S Anis
M Mast with K
Sadly, unless they suddenly throw enough Drake-style event at us, I'm not willing to SR15 K, and I'm definitely not pulling more for her, so I can't get them to equal stats
shrewd yarrow
K is just not that guy
dense rose
tropic elm
Sadly, unless they suddenly throw enough Drake-style event at us, I'm not willin...
Electric is on the verge of full 25 too
A few more nice units and K is clinging to life in team 5
But then ShiftUp will pull out the whammy
How about a boss that takes 0 burst damage unless it’s dealt by a Shotgun weapon (not class)
shrewd yarrow
K
gritty path
How about a boss that takes 0 burst damage unless it’s dealt by a Shotgun weapon...
Damage negation unless crits
lyric trout
shrewd yarrow
I'm just K and that's enough and I'm great at doing stuff
azure fern
I'm just K and that's enough and I'm great at doing stuff
You seems oK and that is good.
shrewd yarrow
So sad
tropic elm
No S to go with K?
woven star
a sad DDAE for K fans
shy forge
she needs to come to DADEe
thin pelican
keep insinuating that joke and the mods gonna take you to the dungeon
azure fern
When you think about it, K does act like Agent 47 so.... gasp
Prydwen's team run! SHE IS AFTER YOU GUYS!!!
hollow reef
if only they didn't cut her in 3
azure fern
if only they didn't cut her in 3
...2...1 ^
fervent gulch
lyric trout
Gonna drop this tech with Siren
Ironically, that ammo refund helps her stack up fast 
hollow reef
Gonna drop this tech with Siren
B2 ammo refund doko
Grave?
Wait
Grave actually insane tech because you only get 3 ammo so it's basically instant reload
lyric trout