#[Arcana] New Unit Megathread

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neat dock
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It's always like this

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  • more resources to build wtv u want now so yes I'm liking this new direction
tepid night
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bsoda is a different element

neat dock
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Isabel setup is also good on neutral

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U can go back to bsoda for iron weak content

fast quest
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Isn't BSoda mandatory on SG comp?

frail coral
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i assume Isabel + Arcana are viable for AI too?

pale jacinth
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No?

tepid night
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they keep making good on neutral setups

frail coral
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Anomaly INterception

pale jacinth
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Uh

tepid night
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BSoda is the current sg meta because she's the only sg that actually does damage

neat dock
fast quest
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I thought the general consensus of Arcana is to use her with Trina Scarlet B1 CDR combo

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With Isabel for obvious reason

pale jacinth
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I mean it works but scarlet is literally a breathe away from dying constantly

languid finch
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?

pale jacinth
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The usual antics of scarlet

languid finch
tepid night
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the scarlet killer

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everyone is the scarlet killer now

pale jacinth
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Wouldn’t say that

tepid night
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why isnt she dead

pale jacinth
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Scarlet doesn’t need a scarlet killer

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She’s her own killer

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90% of the time

wild cosmos
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they couldnt give isabel a treasure so they had to give her a nikkewahahaha

tepid night
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sorry treasures come with a gacha skin now

pale jacinth
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Bitch

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Milk doesn’t have one

tepid night
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best you can get is a crutch unit on a filler banner

tepid night
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she has a paper weight.

pale jacinth
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That’s treasure to the poor

tepid night
fast quest
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Milk's treasure is basically kick in the balls

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It sucks

tepid night
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ironic since most Milk fans would want her to kick them in the balls

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but i don't want su to kick me in the balls

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that's different

rare ember
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trina is the healer in scar team but she don't heal to full hp

modest widget
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assuming Scarlet Trina Isabel Arcana
we're bursting Scarlet first, yes?

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we sacrifice buffs on first rotation
or sacrifice final burst duration

fast quest
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Got her in 4 multi

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101k gems saved for collab

static vale
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pull 1 character and now you have to built 2

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very clever from shift up

frosty sonnet
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skip or get?

dapper tulip
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get if you really love isabel and invest into her

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skip if that's not the case

tepid night
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electric SR soon COPIUM

tacit forge
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that's actually true because of k's element

frosty sonnet
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maybe just 1 10x

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cause she's pretty

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I got her

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neat

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cool

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ok and now I just save up for SB collab?

modest widget
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Isabel first would be to full stack buffs even on first rotation
as long as we get the full 9 bursts on Scarlet
this should be default

tacit forge
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need someone to confirm if arcana isabel can beat the usual sg setup in neutral first

rocky girder
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But scar Trina better cuz PvP cook

static vale
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scar trina 0.5

fast quest
frosty sonnet
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I did

worn cipher
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Sigma

frosty sonnet
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got 2 nikkes I don't have in a single 10x, nice

frail coral
modest widget
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not together, obviously

tacit forge
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if the current boosted isabel can't beat sg in neutral then I don't see the point of rolling
unless you're stacking up another team for electric raids

fast quest
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Arcana + 4x Ele Atk Up OL Isabel

frail coral
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Tove comps benefits from SG that has normal attack cast e.g. B.Soda, Drake, Privaty

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Isabel has none of that, they're more like a quick burst colmp

sturdy hazel
fast quest
sturdy hazel
wintry vine
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Cuz Isabel buffing scarlet as well

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Quite handily might i say

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Perfect play needed but still

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Seems like this cook is quite nice

fast quest
wintry vine
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Even in himoke screenshots above u can see

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9 burst scarlet cuz of Trina and everything surrounding Isabel is quite good

At the very least Isabel is A tier now
In the general meta sense she's S tier at the current moment cuz she's must use electric solo raids

modest widget
wintry vine
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As far as I'm concerned from what I've seen yet

Arcana, Isabel, Trina, Scarlet

All 4 are new additions to the top roster for electric SRs

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In one team or not we will find out when the top players use it

tepid night
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i hope i got trina and didn't notice

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or i will cry

wintry vine
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There is still the problem of a team 5 for electric weak we need to address

modest widget
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watch them come up with some nonsense like Miranda crit ant_not_amused

wintry vine
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Cuz electric does not have a team 5 atm

wintry vine
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But idk

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Can't say for sure

modest widget
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I'll drop 30 pulls on Arcana
but my Trina is 4/4/4 no OL
Scarlet has blue ATK lines but 1x ELE
team3 is bricked for me anyway

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can Trina with 6 shots get full energy
assume precharge on first shot

fast quest
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Her burst gen is top tier

modest widget
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I'll test tonight, sync locked

left dome
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Rather than Tove Arcana Isabel Leona DrakeTr, perhaps Tove Arcana Isabel MastM/Dolla DrakeTr will deal more. I mean without CDR might as well just wait out MastM's stun.

livid geode
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Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce you to Isabel's buffer.

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That is a bold move for someone who supports a yandere in combat.

slow grail
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One word: Polycule.

livid geode
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Maiden: 💢

slow grail
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All I have to do is get Arcana and Isabel to fall in love with each other and I win.

radiant rain
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rapi x chair is eternal

slow grail
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Anyway, you're all wrong. The new meta is clearly running Arcana with Soldier EG for that sweet permanent max ammo buff

slow grail
tepid night
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they covered the gyatt

left dome
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Much better.

tepid night
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can isabel multihit one target with her s2?

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or is it 5 targets but only once per target

tawdry egret
rustic basalt
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u dont even need those three meta cdr

rustic basalt
tawdry egret
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That does free up the other B1s for other team

tacit forge
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first team is actually viable because no one uses dolla and volume anymore

left dome
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Liter is in fact meta

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So no

polar granite
tawdry egret
polar granite
tawdry egret
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Yeah, lack of additional buff to boost isabel's damage

storm gale
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KEKW 4/4/4 isabel

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4/4/4 Isa/trina/arcana

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i OLd Isa a while back tho for waifu reasons so she has 80 ele tho

livid geode
radiant rain
storm gale
left dome
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Tove almost doubled her damage.

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And once more with MastM (just wait out her stun)

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Or can u test it @rustic basalt

rustic basalt
left dome
cold vine
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my goat

rustic basalt
cold vine
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premium isabel support i kneel

left dome
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Wait thats not ur account

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Ure not sync 370

rustic basalt
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im not testing

left dome
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Arcana having 230% caster's ATK buff

rustic basalt
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im not reading either

left dome
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Lets sync lock her to 200

tepid night
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is it literally just cdr maxxing?

little karma
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Obviously cause without cdr the team get less burst and full burst
Arcana cdr are only when she and isabel burst too anyway

storm gale
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decided to 7/7/7 both for science McMoran

left dome
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I can see a two-way split for Electric SR:

  • Tove Arcana Isabel Dolla DrakeTr
  • Cindy Rouge XMaiden MastM AnchorM
  • ExiaTr Crown Ein SAnis Volume/DWife

Versus:

  • Cindy Rouge SAnis XMaiden...
  • Liter/Volume Arcana Isabel Trina Scarlet

What I think might be the case:

  • Liter/Volume Arcana Isabel Trina Scarlet
  • Cindy Rouge XMaiden MastM AnchorM
  • ExiaTr Crown Ein SAnis Volume/DWife
  • (Tove Leona/Naga BSoda PrivM DrakeTr)/(Tove Blanc BSoda PrivM Noir)
  • Something with Mari

Or:

  • Tove Arcana Isabel Dolla DrakeTr
  • Cindy Rouge SAnis Mari/Grave XMaiden
  • Ein with RH-B1/Blanc Noir?
  • Trina Scar?
  • Crown?

Or:

  • Liter Arcana Isabel Trina Scarlet
  • Cindy Rouge SAnis Grave XMaiden
  • ExiaTr Crown Ein HelmTr CDR?
  • Tove Blanc BSoda PrivM Noir/Naga DrakeTr variant? Leona DrakeTr?
  • B1 Mari SBS Alice BAlice?
storm gale
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for comparison with privaty... privaty is 10/10/10; isa and arcana at 7/7/7 right now both have 80 ele

solid gate
tight condor
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Is it actually electric raid next or ppl spreading bs? Actually I thought stellar blade was next SR (when it comes out on pc 11th or smthing) but that doesn't make sense time wise

little karma
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Dont ask that here

rocky girder
little karma
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Crazy isabel damage are mpriv and soda combined

rocky girder
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Why do people come in megathreads to ask about datamine ?

tacit forge
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he might legit does not know about anything in the mines'

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just curious

storm gale
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it works off element too

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this on fire weak

livid geode
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You guys are trying to sell Arcana to me...

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I'm already stop pulling DrakeScream

forest karma
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i dont have isabel so i have very little reason to pull heh

little karma
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It will be perfect if dolla burst even do something other than damage

solid vortex
storm gale
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i dont know if i want to invest tho to test voices

solid vortex
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it will probably win then ,but that doesn't seem worth it for neutral. I guess it may be a side bonus if you invested primarily for elec weak

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you'd only have to wait another 6 months to be able to reset it DorothySmile

river shuttle
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Btw, now that Arcana force you to do 5s burst, does that mean you can use Maiden now

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To build up more stacks

river shuttle
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I know

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I mean as 122 comp

left dome
river shuttle
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So you run some bs like Isabel Maiden instead

river shuttle
left dome
river shuttle
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Oh yeah

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Aren't that Linear

little karma
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Funny if isabel with arcana kicking soda
Another iron kicking the dust

forest karma
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thing is, that isabel team looks like death if healer is needed

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dmg ceiling could be higher but should be much less comfy than traditional bunnies team

astral furnace
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There is literally no sustain there

forest karma
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literally none of them having any form of survivability in their skill

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Tove is such a fraud, survivalist my ass

bright summit
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survivalist of rng Doro

little karma
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Thats kinda true
Theres cope for dolla getting something tho lmao
Or even any cdr

astral furnace
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The real question rn is who the heck is the next boss

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This SR isn't technically over yet and we are worried about the next one already

forest karma
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UR come first

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but at least it's confirmed that Eve gonna be electric unit, unless collab raid is july, but i doubt it

astral furnace
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Doesn't really matter unless you are dealing the final blows

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Next SR isn't collab SR

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Collab's SR will be on July

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And both the SR and the collab should end on the same day

sturdy hazel
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so Isabel went to the worst pilgrim to a excellent Electric DPS with Arcana?

heady gale
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Has the day finally come? Will I finally be able to use isabel?

sturdy hazel
tawdry meteor
stone palm
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from a few run

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I think Arcana has bright future

forest karma
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how

final mauve
final mauve
little karma
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Kinda his calculation

solid gate
stone palm
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will need quite lots ammo on Arcana to squeeze burst gen

coral wagon
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There should be new tier list, like pair tier or something
Isabel is bad, but with Arcane, she become good.

stone palm
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but my meth shows that Cinderella dmg will be roughly the same on Sanis Maiden vs Isabel Arcana

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while Isabel with same amount of ele as my Sanis will just equal both Sanis + Maiden

rocky girder
stone palm
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don't think it's a gain

static vale
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tier lists already assume you use proper teams

stone palm
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but more about different taste

coral wagon
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I have feeling they will buff specific old character with new Nikke beside the treasure. Scarlet and Isabel now the example. Maybe Harran next.

solid gate
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then isn't it still a mari vs sanis/xmaiden diff

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since a b2 and b3 replacing two b3s

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you can still use sanis/xmaiden on cindy team

stone palm
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as I state, total dmg won't gain much, but you will be more sweaty on Isabel Arcana because

  • 2 new mouths to feed. May be 4
  • Squeeze a lot of burst gen to work
static vale
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what is the skill prio for isabel now

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something stupid like 7/10/10?

stone palm
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4/4/4 max. Or 4/7/4

static vale
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that is actually f2p friendly

stone palm
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now we talk new Dongtan chick

little karma
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Cause she gain most from arcana lmao

stone palm
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10/10/7

little karma
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Her own kits is dogshit

solid gate
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isn't the isabel cindy comp something like cindy/rouge/isabel/arcana/sanis

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with sanis there wouldn't it edge out the regular comp then?

stone palm
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b2 who?

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40s cd Arcana?

solid gate
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oh does arcana need another b2

static vale
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since arcana boosts isabel's s2 i assumed you wanted to lvl it up too

stone palm
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you can but you don't need

static vale
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but 7 skill max is np

stone palm
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Isabel S2 dmg is meh

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make up like 10% total dmg

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90% are from her own basic attacks lol

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the neat part of Isa: She doesn't need any specific B1 since she has the bloatest amount of buff on herself lmao

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185 ~ 235% ATK
187% Attack Damage

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that's a freaking 2B in Attacker

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this leaving her to scale with only

  • Crit
  • Ammo
  • Ele
livid geode
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I got Alice from Arcana's banner... but my Alice already core 7 lmaocry

tight condor
little karma
astral furnace
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Atk isn't bad tho. Just not necessary like ele

rocky girder
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critical dmg build

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just like 2b and fish critical

tepid night
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Reroll Isabel to ele, crit chance, crit damage on all gears

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Atk is giga inflated and her S2 and burst don't require ammo

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Kek or cringe?

worn cipher
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Is bell

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Can someone tell me how big a difference is between arcana with level 0 gears and overload level 5 with attack % rolls gears?

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Because 180% attack of caster looks big but dome dude tells there's no difference or whatever

tepid night
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overload stats don't get shared

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i think DoroTHINK

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so you should just need lvl 5 gear

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and max doll heh

worn cipher
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No way

tepid night
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almost 5k base attack for maxing doll

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which usually doesn't matter that much

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but if you're sharing 250%

worn cipher
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Woah

tepid night
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overload lines are basically buffs so they shouldn't get shared but gear and doll add to your base stats which do

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and if you're trying to revive a dead unit with a gimmick unit that has ridiculous attack share you probably want to give her every possible bit of base attack

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which also means start working on that core 7

long canyon
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The real gimmick here is the +180% Attack Damage buff

tepid night
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does attack from attack share given to isabel get buffed by attack damage buffs or is it just flat 250% unbuffed arcana atk after all calcs?

normal tundra
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This sounds strange. As far as I understand, first ATK is calculated (buffs and all that manipulate ATK).

Then the ATK counters enemy DEF, then plugs into multipliers formula to calculate final outcome of damage.

  • This is where Attack Damage is leveraged

Then tossed to Elemental Damage for one last multiplication.

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So… there’s no such thing as, “Here’s ATK buff, what’s it really going to be now if I smacked it with 180% ATK Dmg buff?”

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ATK Dmg doesn’t modify ATK

tepid night
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ATK dmg modifies final attack so it should buff attack given to isabel by atk share

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if i understand correctl

normal tundra
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Oh I see, you were asking if the Caster’s ATK shared is applied after other modifiers like Attack Dmg

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I think all ATK modifications are calculated first together. Everything should be

tepid night
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yes

normal tundra
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You might be thinking about buff timings

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Some buffs don’t affect the B3 bursting until it’s too late, so their burst nuke doesn’t use it

tepid night
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so atk share should still be very important even if +180% attack damage would probably be stronger than +250% supporter attack share in a vacuum

lapis ridge
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is isbelle in da game now?

normal tundra
worn cipher
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Goddesses > whatever stinky Johan's pilgrim squad name was

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I trully don't remember

lapis ridge
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i saw some post say that she is the 2nd strongest in dps now for ele team just behind cinderella

worn cipher
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I want unit that buffs snow white.... Actually buffs not what treasure miranda was

thorny lava
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arcana-isabel could be in neutral raid for sake faster burst

lament pollen
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is this like a luxury pull or must pull for top solo raid in electric

thorny lava
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like you put rapipi with them, then rapi could burst more

thorny lava
worn cipher
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I'm 100% sure we will see Isabella with arcana with top scores in electric solo raid

normal tundra
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I can't like investing in Isabel comp, so I'm going to neglect her

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We'll see if ShiftUp can change my mind

worn cipher
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Seeing solo raid ranking will change your mind

frosty sonnet
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so I just leave arcana at 1/1/1, no doll, no gear, no nothin'?

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I am not building isabel until she gets buffed

worn cipher
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Oh building nevermind I read pulling I'm going to sleep sorry

frosty sonnet
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I alr have her lmao XD

peak spindle
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How's the new character peeps?

lavish glacier
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Isabel is the one Pilgrim I don't have. Most of the meta ones are MLB and still don't have Isabel.

timid gust
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If you have Isabel at a high level of investment and want to bring Isabel into Electric Solo Raids, it's potentially worth snagging a copy

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If you don't, then probably not.

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There's also the danger that right before a Solo Raid comes out, we usually get a new Elemental DPS, so it's pretty likely that we'll get a new Electric B3 for Arcana even if you DON'T have Isabel

thorny lava
lapis ridge
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i just want to use isebelle sometimes since her wedding dress is great

tacit forge
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depends
you might notice that your team 4-5 for electric look like crap

lament pollen
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if shes not doing 1bil extra dmg for my team i dont want it

tacit forge
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so trina/scarlet or arcana/isabel WILL see play

tacit forge
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I bit the bullet. Hope it's worth it

fast quest
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having a copy of any NIKKE is always the safest bet

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Except if you're THAT bad and brings nothing to the team

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like cheerleader duo and crust

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Zwei too

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and Quiry

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and Phantom

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shit, there's actually a lot of them out therekekw

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at any rate, I snagged a copy as well just in case

static vale
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i'm not getting a copy seems like the typical skip case like mana

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not a top 50 solo raid player so no need for this one

sturdy hazel
# fast quest and Phantom

Phantom is only useful at Elysion Tower, and even if you don't have any other "good" DPS from Elysion which almost everyone sucks including her

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I'm pretty Sure Arcana gives 0 value in Elysion Tower

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like who from Elysion benefits from her buffs?

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Privaty Maid? Guillotine? Maiden?

radiant rain
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imo making the arcana+isabel duo might seems like you need to raise 2 nikke, but in reality its just arcana since 1/1/1 isabel still hits very hard

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you just need OL on her

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arcana also huge whale bait

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since 230% caster attack is broken

tacit forge
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imagine a kit so damn broken that 1/1/1 is still usable

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and you're carried by a broken exclusive support

polar granite
radiant rain
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cannot be solved

solid gate
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at least arcana invest is more futureproof than isabel invest

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since non-zero chance of future dps for arcana copege

long canyon
stone palm
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her S1 with permanent duration gives meme amount of buff

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her S2 deals meme amount of dmg

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her burst deals as much as Scarlet non Trina buff

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idk, 1/1/1 or 4/4/4 sound okay to me

tepid night
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All other DPS are mid compared to her so you might as well go helm + maids

sturdy hazel
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and DKW

tepid night
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B1 rapu is criminal

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I don't think Rapi benefits much from dkw but who else are you gonna run

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Maybe you could run treasure Miranda if you want to cope with dolla + maid mast playing like crown mast

lapis ridge
prisma summit
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"tactics" my ass, Ingrid cannot cook anything with half decent synergy for her tower

wintry vine
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Saw some confusion so I'll clear it up

From a meta perspective, Arcana+Isabel is only for players looking to aim for a top 200 finish in electric-weak solo raids, and really mostly for top 50 players. Otherwise you have no business with this unit.

If fully invested, like if very seriously hyper invested, you can use her in neutral element against bosses with no core on a non crown team, but the expected turn out for that team will probably be equal to WAsuka+ReiTN-ish, or SG team-ish

radiant rain
tepid night
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yeah but you still get cdr, some attack damage and attack share

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and i am not using b1 rrh

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my rapi is omega gorilla and i will use her as b3

tepid night
wintry vine
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On neutral what is even left

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Like it's pretty clear that Isabel isn't going to Crown

stone palm
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Scarna

wintry vine
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Cuz a unit getting this much atk and attack damage has no business there

wintry vine
stone palm
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Scarna + Isarcana = good

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Scarna should equal Isarcana

wintry vine
wintry vine
solid gate
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putting both of them together for neutral isn't gonna happen a lot of the time

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your only elemental coverage is your b1

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your only "healer" is trina

wintry vine
solid gate
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enough for the usual boss dmg tho?

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esp with highest atk?

wintry vine
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Wdym

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Trina is quite decent

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At healing

stone palm
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need to check again

solid gate
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iirc my trina barely kept scar alive in the last 2 raids

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like nearly dead sometimes

stone palm
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yep, the word is always "barely"

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she never dies

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look at her body

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answer me again

long canyon
neat dune
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I'll skip and cry when they give us isabel doll

radiant rain
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its 180% for 15s + 50% for 5s + 5% for 10s

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if we normalise it for ease, its about 200% for 15s

lunar mantle
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whats the recommended skill investment for arcana?

wintry vine
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For Isabel it's 10/4/7 I guess

lunar mantle
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ty

livid geode
polar granite
solid gate
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b3 electric ar that reduces fb duration copege

little karma
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You guys dont need to cope like that SU obviously not that smart
Their purpose in the making are obviously just to buff the pilgrims for now at least in the future maybe but not soon

neat dune
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inb4 she gets to be tier 0 next patch

coral wagon
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Perhaps they didn't plan to make favorite item for pilgrim yet, because requirement for pilgrim max bond should be MLB. So, they make new character instead for buffing old pilgrim.

little karma
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Funneling those 2 into 1 thing doesnt make sense anyway cause both trina and arcana need to burst to give buff

prisma summit
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Has anyone tried to put together a Isabel-only team yet?

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E.g.

RapiRH/Arcana/Isabel/Rouge/Siren?

tacit forge
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yes

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a dude did a liter/volume/dolla run

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loses to the usual cindy blanc comp

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only a little bit. His isabel and arcana were obviously under-invested

radiant rain
tacit forge
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I don't even know how his CP is so balanced

radiant rain
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that feels kinda low for cindy lol

bright summit
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that's because it screams shit OL or no OL

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for reference SR Anis with OL has that much power at sync 400

tacit forge
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still waiting for le sky ogre to give his verdict

radiant rain
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the downtime for the 2nd burst is >15s lol

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it feels so horrible to play

tacit forge
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also

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no heals deadge

radiant rain
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i tried the most dumbass comp with Rouge Dolla Vol sHelm Cindy, and also got 2x the damage

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after taking into account elem dmg difference

long canyon
fleet heart
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not clip RL?

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smh

long canyon
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Apparently she has the highest Burst gen of any Mag RL

stone palm
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I think Maiden is a mag RL too

vagrant dock
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Over 1B damage in 3 minutes is more than I expected for Isabel, honestly

long canyon
stone palm
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still mag

solid gate
stone palm
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way lower

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50% less

long canyon
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What do you mean 50% less

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Maiden being 182 and Arcana being 150

stone palm
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18.4 and 12 at 2 RL

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interpret it however you want

solid gate
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...

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So regular RL is 11.2 at same speed, while she's 12?

radiant rain
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wow that's op

solid gate
#

It'll matter for like.. one or two comps, but not even bc she really doesn't offer much...

#

Is anything other than her burst even relevant in pvp

#

Yeah it's just burst

prisma summit
#

Top 50 will likely run it in electric raids

#

But unless you're focusing on electric she's absolutely not worth it lol

#

Just run neutral damage SBS & Alice instead or something

wintry vine
tight condor
#

My issue is mats to level my gear now to lvl 5 (pre ol)l.. i am sure stellar blade will be busted.. (eve at least).. skill books is fine for now.. OL rocks come back quickly enough..

wintry vine
#

Anis wasn't sr15 but still

tight condor
#

thats coop?

wintry vine
#

Yes

#

Generally it seems like

Arcana Isabel B2buffer Cindy B1CDR

Cindy Rouge S.Anis B2Buffer xMaiden

tight condor
#

fk it think i am just gonna invest in her.. then only missing electric i don't have is favorite exia

versed sigil
#

Arcana Isabel == SAnis xMaiden NovelHmm

wintry vine
#

Shits good man Nodernia

#

And also that

versed sigil
#

Good for those who missed limited units ig ShockAnne

wintry vine
#

Isabel is a damn good DPS now

#

Like, damn

tight condor
#

For electric raid Cindy is not going with her tho right? because she wants rouge

static vale
#

it is good that people won't have to use 2x the skill books

wintry vine
#

Scarlet Trina was good but this definitely seems
Better?

Because Arcana and Isabel both are also buffing their partner

wintry vine
#

But probably not

static vale
#

gatrix was saying that 4/4/4 isabel is fine

wintry vine
#

Isabel and Arcana, to compete, need to be skilled up

wintry vine
tight condor
#

Probably worth sr 15 isabel if ur going all in right? shotgun is one of the weapons that benefits most?

wintry vine
#

17% atk buff S1
The damage taken debuff in burst

static vale
#

it is funny how i expected isabel s2 to be leveled up but that's the one you don't

stone palm
#

lv 1 - 10% ATK
lv 10 - 17% ATK

#

and you want to max it?

static vale
#

bet kira's going to max it AliceHappy

stone palm
#

dmg is dmg

#

but for us who has limited resources

#

you need to invest them wisely

#

not chasing 3% ATK more lol

static vale
#

i would've done everything if she was good in pvp like trina but for some reason they aren't really changing the meta of it much with new characters

wintry vine
stone palm
#

her dmg during her burst is waste

wintry vine
#

Arcana
S1: 10
S2: 10
Burst: 4/7/10 depending on how serious you are about this team

Isabel
S1: 4/7/10
S2: 4-7
Burst; 4/7/10

stone palm
#

no point in spending during that 5s

wintry vine
#

You can actually get Isabel burst to buff

#

Scarlet burst

#

Cuz Isabel burst activates at a 2s delay

#

And we have Trina in team

stone palm
#

doesn't look practical to me. Sure you may slip in once or twice

wintry vine
#

With 1 full charged shoy

#

It looks very realistic

olive fractal
olive fractal
#

surely he can do this comp

wintry vine
olive fractal
#

right?

stone palm
#

don't feed the troll okayge

wintry vine
#

XD true

olive fractal
#

12 bursts in MC

#

wow dude

#

so skilled

stone palm
#

also to be in burst

#

you need like 8s cdr

wintry vine
#

With liter volume

#

I sent the math above

#

40s cooldown

  • 10s Scarlet fb
  • 2s burst gen
  • 5s isabel fb
  • 2s burst gen
    = 19s, need 21s cdr

CDR
Liter full ramp up
-8.21s liter
-8.21s liter
-6s arcana
= 22.42s total cdr
so u have that extra leeway with liter

Siren
-7.48
-7.48
-6s
= 20.96s
with this you are off by a slight milli second?

stone palm
#

well, seems too hassle for an okay tier of burst

wintry vine
#

With liter you have like 1s of extra leeway

#

Which is great

tight condor
#

So for electric raid.. elec has like 4 teams now? Cindy/rouge/xmaiden.. Anis/Ein.. Scarlet/Trina + Isabel/Arcana and then shotgun with Mpriv.. elec makes even fire roster look under developed at this point.. and sure Haran will get a buffer soon too 😆

stone palm
#

wait

wintry vine
stone palm
#

oh nvm

#

don't think Scar burst worth that much to throw Liter here

#

may be Volume then

wintry vine
#

We don't have a spot for volume

#

Siren is left
RRHb1 is left
Liter is left

wintry vine
stone palm
#

just don't run SG

#

now you have 4

tepid night
#

so this is why they gave everyone free treasure drake

wintry vine
#

SG is simple and effective Nodernia

wintry vine
#

On ATK buff

#

Cuz Isabel burst is short

stone palm
#

I'm thinking of Liter Mari Rapi Mihara HelmT

#

to deal with element shield

wintry vine
#

For team 5?

stone palm
#

Mari my bad

wintry vine
stone palm
#

better for her own dmg

wintry vine
#

Also siren just better Madge

stone palm
#

not better for Rapi and Mihara here

#

you have 2 strongest neutral DPS now

#

gotta abuse them

wintry vine
#

Except for now with Isabel Arcana

#

Let's just assume that all of this is correct for a sec

If true, Alice will be benched for the first time ever in solo raids

#

Ever

stone palm
#

I did think of Alice SBS duo macho

#

but then B1 electric CDR

#

rip

#

I could only think of

#

Cinderella Rouge Maiden Macho

wintry vine
stone palm
#

seems better than random Grave + Red

wintry vine
#

It's probably possible to make all 5 teams electric next Electric raid

stone palm
#

if I have Grave to spare

#

I will do Miranda Grave Ein + 2 others

wintry vine
#

Presumably

stone palm
#

I ditch Grave + Red for Macho

#

higher ATK buff overall

#

that team seems impossible to die too

wintry vine
stone palm
wintry vine
#

For cindy

#

I tried it out for UR

stone palm
#

i c

#

what if we do Ein Sanis Macho?

wintry vine
#

Looks so much fun

stone palm
#

not worth the hassle

wintry vine
stone palm
#

for Miranda

#

because Miranda ammo dmg is very small

wintry vine
stone palm
#

but ein shot is not that bad

wintry vine
#

But Miranda more than makes up for it probably (I think)

stone palm
#

perma crit equals 33.33% dmg up

#

without crit dmg buff

#

iirc her skill dmg = auto attack dmg. So half of her dmg is buffed by 33 ~ 66% I think

#

in exchange reducing auto attack dmg during her FB

olive fractal
#

You guys are theorycrafting too much when the next raid is not even confirmed

#

Raid banner is not out

#

also both of you dont even play SR

radiant rain
#

next Nikke alrdy data mined though

tepid night
#

iron raid soon copium

thorny lava
#

iron DPS just

RH-Rapipi
SW-Maxwell
SG Soda-Sugar
rest are meh (soline)?

#

worse than water

#

because lack of rooster

#

maybe true dmg comp with Laplace

#

Frima-DKW-Laplace-Ein-Mari

stone palm
#

where's my Clay

wintry vine
#

Fire is also really really good

stone palm
#

but from record, it's water koko1

#

nvm

#

18b => 24b

#

Mihara pls

radiant rain
stone palm
#

except her basic attack is meh

radiant rain
#

Her weapon % is the highest for smg.. just that its not enough

forest karma
#

she's a loli

#

loli can never be a dps unit

radiant rain
wintry vine
#

Fire has 24b on a dead fucking piece of shit (literally)

prisma summit
#

Iron raid totally gonna happen soon right guys????

worn cipher
#

Electric raid next for real unless stellar blade unit turns out to be iron lmao

worn cipher
quartz wyvern
worn cipher
quartz wyvern
#

Never played Minecraft

#

(Fr tho wahahaha)

worn cipher
#

Damn

quick trellis
#

What is this “Eve confirmed to be electric”

rich osprey
quick trellis
#

Ban if untrue

forest karma
#

go ban

wintry vine
#

Hmm damn yeah it's possible

forest karma
#

next raid is electric weak, but it's most likely K's raid not collab raid

coral wagon
#

Recycle boss?

forest karma
#

imagine they recycle boss for the collab

#

another massive object

coral wagon
#

I don't know if there any boss can be use as Raid though (not including collab boss)

thorny lava
tacit forge
#

nippon baked new electric peak

left dome
#

Neutral? Ele?

livid geode
#

I have seen many people comment they get Arcana not because of her ultility, but because she have the rizz.

#

The charm is real with blue haired women (Helm, Arcana)

left dome
#

I was searching for a proper B2

#

That would pair with Arcana

#

And kept skipping Blanc cus I kept thinking shes 60s

#

This sounds right but where burst gen?

#

Relying on Rouge only?

tacit forge
#

blanc fits because her buff scales multiplicatively with arcana's I think

left dome
#

Insane cope

#

You need like

#

2x max ammo on Rouge

#

To do this

#

On enemy without core at least

tacit forge
#

only two lines?

left dome
#

Yes enough

#

With Precharging

wintry vine
#

Why is that a surprise

left dome
#

Arcana also buffs Cindy's burst damage

sturdy hazel
left dome
#

Arcana buffs Cindy's ult by 10% damage taken

#

17.5% atk dmg

#

55% caster's ATK

#

But this is neutral I think

#

SAnis XMaiden should still be better on ELE

solid cliff
left dome
quartz wyvern
left dome
left dome
#

But not that popular in certain asia countries

#

And almost all SEA countries

quartz wyvern
left dome
quartz wyvern
#

not yet

#

close

left dome
#

Even if ure 29, 14 yo still coints as childhood somewhat

quartz wyvern
#

was busy playing dota 2 and csgo

left dome
#

I see

quartz wyvern
left dome
#

You were probably just unaware of it then

quartz wyvern
#

for sure

tepid night
#

She has gyatt and milkers

#

Laplace actually respectable DPS

#

Mostly because the only good iron DPS are RH who's only good in pierce and bsoda who's held back by having to hang out with the rest of the shotgun crew

tacit forge
#

what's iron
some kinda new upcoming element

livid geode
#

50 pulls, there, happy? you guys have been marketing her a lot so I decided to throw in.

tacit forge
#

he dipped into his gem reserves
we got annuda one lads

livid geode
#

my Isabel don't even have OL lmaocry

#

Tbh, I expect Arcana will buff another one in a future

tepid night
livid geode
#

When Elysion have to buff a Pilgrim heh

little karma
#

Think my Arcana ammo suffice for now lol
Next is Isabel start from 0

tepid night
#

There's no way they ever make an electric 5s B3 ever again

#

Imagine a modern character with a real kit getting 250% attack share 180% attack damage

#

They'd have to make her completely unusable without arcana and you know how shift up is with reruns

#

This isn't a potential man character, it's 5s burst getting buried forever

#

At least for electro

worn cipher
#

For electro

tepid night
#

They'd have to make a new off element 5s B3 that's so good they can play with Arcana bursting on their turn so her buff can go to Cinderella

worn cipher
#

Yeah we're not getting another 5s b3 electro

tepid night
#

If they were planning to do more 5s burst units they would have had it be Mihara

#

But Mihara's kit is so undercooked that it's possible the original kit was a 5s burst and they had to panic rework it because liter arcana Mihara Cinderella turned out to be overpowered

#

If you really want to cope

languid finch
#

blanc 40s? DoroWutDahel

tepid night
languid finch
#

no it's 60

tepid night
#

Aw

little karma
#

Its getting cut by rouge

tepid night
#

Maybe original new Mihara also had cdr since she was supposed to be pilgrim tier and it created a critical mass if cdr where arcana could be solo B2 and they could run liter arcana Mihara Cinderella maid mast to make it go hard

#

If they made a 5s pilgrim B3 nowadays they would totally put cdr in her kit

#

We've reached below the bottom of the copium barrel

#

Actually digging for treasure

zenith jungle
#

Arcana Pull or Skip ?

livid geode
#

Do you want a wife?

#

check pin

solid gate
#

problem is idk if my lb0 arcana with mid invest isabel can beat my decent sanis and mid xmaiden

normal tundra
#

1 - Dresses modestly but still overflows the thermometer? Check
2 - Tall? Check (she appears to be taller than D)
3 - Level-headed? Check (VERY IMPORTANT since a lot of crazy and quietly-crazy Nikkes out there!)
4 - Can be goofy as needed? Check
5 - Can be charming as needed? Check
6 - Looks good in a wedding dress? Check
7 - Does not involve training on how to be someone's dog? Check
8 - Does not result in a trip to the Police station courtesy of Poli? Check
9 - What are you waiting for? WAIFU.

Just being silly @solid gate DrakeDance

sturdy hazel
solid gate
#

I'm waiting to see how the story ends before I call her waifu

#

if bad ending I'll burn down elysion headquarters

sturdy hazel
normal tundra
#

Miranda kit needs a bugfix imo

#

It doesn't feel right for her to have a "1 ammo" restriction but you can abuse the related buffs for 0 ammo (don't shoot)

#

We'll see if it materializes in 2 years later KEKL

little karma
#

Yea theres even crit rate for normal atk in helm kits it should have been like that if more correct as intended lmao

#

This should be in line with miranda intented usage

worn cipher
#

Arcana baby

#

Lillyweis will be burst 3 electric 5s burst unit

#

Investing in victory means playing the long game

spare tree
spare tree
#

appreciated

gleaming badge
#

Isabel and her buffer will replace bsoda + mpriv in sg team for electric raid or nah?

vague crane
#

So. How good is Isabel+ arcana now that testing was done ?

tight condor
#

@gleaming badge I think they will be on another team for electric solo raid.. having said that.. i tried some of the SG teams people posted here (Tove/Arcana/Isable/Drake/dolla) vs soda/drake/bunny team on neutral boss and they actually did more damage.. Isabel is missing one OL gear/Dolla has no investment whatsoever either

river shuttle
#

Arcana make Isabel main dps is her S2

little karma
#

From the vid

stone palm
#

how many burst rotations in each run?

#

also that Isa dmg looks quite low, seems underinvestment

tepid night
#

why is siren there?

versed sigil
stone palm
#

skill doesn't matter much in this case

#

Isa kit is 2022 one, can put 1/1/1 or 4/4/4 and it barely makes a diff

little karma
stone palm
#

hmm okay

#

in theory Cindy should be able to burst 9 times here

#

so at least dmg is on par

languid finch
#

Siren with Cindy's team doesn't really make sense to me for electric raids
Rouge might be better here to allow siren to join another team

#

the former team might need Siren as burst gen though Doro

lavish umbra
#

theres only one mg so she’s not going to be providing gen consistently

#

you’d ideally use rouge, but it would require a lot of skill to gen

#

need ammo on arcana to spam

lavish umbra
#

i would love to test but pulls for arcana doko

#

and my isabel wouldnt have any rocks fed to her cause rapi KEEPS TAKING THEM FOR THAT AMMO

#

i could test on a union mate account but it would just be shit stats on everyone cause his investments are… interesting

left dome
#

One Electric team setup:

  • Arcana Blanc Isabel Rouge Cindy

Two Electric teams setup:

  • Cindy Rouge SAnis Mari/Crown XMaiden
  • Liter Arcana Isabel Trina Scarlet

Three Electric team setups:

  • Cindy Rouge XMaiden Maids
    • Or: Cindy Rouge SAnis Grave XMaiden
  • ExiaTr Crown Ein SAnis Volume
    • Or: ExiaTr Crown Ein HelmTr Volume
  • Liter Arcana Isabel Trina Scarlet
stone palm
#

if we take icon displaying time is Isabel's debuff landed

#

she takes around 2.7s to land her debuff

#

wtf

left dome
#

Isabel Damage Taken is delayed

stone palm
#

Kira

#

I just verify it to be around 2.7s

#

so you actually have 2.7s leeway after FB ends

left dome
#

Actually is damage taken snapshot

#

Or does it only affect when number shows up

stone palm
#

snapshot

wanton python
#

Wait, does Isabel's burst damage actually benefit from the damage taken, or is that delayed enough as well?

astral furnace
#

Her damage taken debuff is delayed

#

So it is only present in half~ of her own burst

lavish umbra
#

I actually have unit investment so it would be a better testRougeStare

#

cause unionmate doesnt have xmaiden

#

tho my exiaT is also shit

indigo coyote
lavish umbra
#

got her in 20

#

will do some testing in a few days when I have isabel and her built a tiny bit

normal tundra
#

Apparently it's definitely turning Isabel at the very least Electric raid meta

#

Unfortunately for me sadge

left dome
#

Can someone test if Cindy SAnis XMaiden Rouge Mari/Crown/Grave is still better than Arcana Blanc Isabel Rouge Cindy under Elemental conditions?

lavish umbra
#

dont have gear exp

wintry vine
static vale
#

that's really good news for us skippers

fleet heart
#

gotta pull her for this achievement

little karma
#

What are you missing should been 155 by now

fleet heart
#

power

#

and crust

little karma
#

Ah too bad that power gonna missing forever
Maybe ask that alleged GM to give his power lol

quartz wyvern
#

Just go work as gm

#

core max power day 1

static vale
#

gm's are corpo slaves

#

if they did anything like that they'd get fired if lucky and sued if not

fleet heart
#

gm = general motors?
goblin midget?
good morning?

forest karma
#

Gamer moments

rocky girder
#

Gremlin Monday

#

So, tomorrow

static vale
#

tomorrow is monkey monday

#

gremlin monday has to choose another day

rocky girder
echo pollen
#

Isabel Treasure is here, and its name is Arcana kekw

pale jacinth
tepid night
#

Devs listened.

tepid night
#

I'm sure someone did

#

And devs listened to them

pale jacinth
#

Fuck them

tepid night
pale jacinth
#

All I ever put in survey was Give Isabel Treasure

tepid night
#

Not enough people bought doll packs

spare tree
pale jacinth
wintry vine
#

She's already pretty powerful now

pale jacinth
#

No she aint

#

Give me treasure

solid gate
#

eula_bruh then you didn't invest into her enough

wintry vine
solid gate
#

C7 max doll arcana for max buff, minmax Isabel ol

wintry vine
#

Actually
Knowing most people can't utilise xMaiden properly

Isabel arcana is definitely team 1 for most people

pale jacinth
#

Dgaf gimme treasure

#

Been asking since treasure announced

pale jacinth
#

I'll die on that hill

spare tree
#

the irony is my isabel is still lb1 kekw

solid gate
#

Hill already got bulldozed, arcana is Isabel's only salvation

#

C7 arcana before you miss out gamba

pale jacinth
#

Fuck that

#

I'm not giving SU any more money until her treasure comes

#

So they can shove it up their bums

spare tree
pale jacinth
solid gate
#

If you want Isabel team to be good, the only cope left is vesti treasure, for 5 sec fb comp

#

Still prob need arcana tho Doro

#

Without arcana, Isabel likely trash until eos

#

Even if Isabel gets treasure, arcana is still mandatory

pale jacinth
#

Game trash

#

I'd just quit

#

Simple

#

I'd even give my account to snake

tepid night
#

C7 arcana for better buffs

pale jacinth
#

Wait I won't

#

I'll just let the account rot

tepid night
pale jacinth
#

He theorycrafts too much

solid gate
pale jacinth
#

I already did to girls I gave everything to in FGO

#

I can do it again in Nikke

solid gate
#

why are you so against arcana anyway

pale jacinth
#

I aint

#

I aint pulling C7

solid gate
#

you want isabel to be strong without supports?

#

c7 is just peak minmax, single copy arcana is fine KEKpat

pale jacinth
#

idgaf about being strong

#

LMAO

#

If I did I wouldn't be C7 10/10/10 OL5 an Isabel

#

Pulled everything that could had given Isabel a chance but at this point I'm just tired

solid gate
#

just get a copy or two of arcana, max out her skills

spare tree
solid gate
#

then your isabel gonna hit like truck

pale jacinth
#

Just kill me

solid gate
#

the other option

#

pray for isabel alt

#

but then you gotta reinvest entirely

pale jacinth
#

I can and will

#

Reinvest

#

in another Isabel

spare tree
#

isabel overspec pilgrim
but the rates are 0.5%?

pale jacinth
#

Time to quit

rare ember
#

reason for getting treasure is not just skill effects but new story and arts SodaCry

river shuttle
spare tree
tepid night
#

Isabel isn't even a real pilgrim

#

She's not that old and she's not homeless

#

Her squad should be overspec

#

More like underspec LiterSmug

#

That's why mihara was mid, we thought rapi is the overspec standard but it's actually Isabel

astral furnace
radiant rain
#

180% caster attack buff no joke

#

For every copy gained, you buffing 5.8% worth of attack

tepid night
#

Apparently arcana skill descriptions are wrong

#

It says so in the known issues thing

radiant rain
frozen vigil
solid gate
#

wrong in what way tho

left dome
long canyon
worn cipher
radiant rain
#

I have a feeling, Eve gonna be Iron

#

Strong feeling

solid gate
worn cipher
solid gate
#

Prob some tiny wording thing that doesn't matter

radiant rain
#

We still have 0 iron code SSR for collabs

#

Only got SR iron

solid gate
#

We also have zero new electric or water code ssr collab this year Doro

tepid night
#

Inb4 they accidentally put in too many zeroes

tepid night
#

They keep putting collabs in elements that don't have real units

radiant rain
#

Isabel ascend into true pilgrim tier

spare tree
worn cipher
#

If only aracana was snow white buffer so it would make symbolic sense

stone palm
#

to be fair, Arcana buffing a crazy chick shooting gun sounds more logically than buffing a silent hero

tight condor
#

Anybody know how good or bad Isabel is on the CN version?