[Arcana] New Unit Megathread

[worn cipher]

There's no b2 with cdr.... Besides arcana

Aracane has cdr of 6 seconds soo how much more you need for tove to burst fast?

[little karma]

Arcana cdr only when she burst with Isabel btw

[worn cipher]

Yeah shit just saw that

So tove would need some cdr for when drake bursts

Drake could be replaced with vesti but that's just fucking stupid to replace drake just to get cdr lol

[wooden sierra]

now im curious

how they gonna do harran's treasure

[worn cipher]

They won't do pilgrims treasure

[tame burrow]

Is there a verdict already?

[worn cipher]

Yes my verdict is she's skibidi

More viable verdict will be once she's out duh

[tame burrow]

Fair point

People did judge Siren to be an okay-ish NIKKE until she's out

Turns out she's meta in every content

[worn cipher]

I remember ,wasn't there a pinned post saying to just get one siren and get dupes of mihara lol

[tame burrow]

Let's be fair to them, okay

She's meh on paper

We just didn't know that in practice, free focus aim and stun-sustain damage would be THAT good

[worn cipher]

True , that's why we shouldn't judge unit before she's out

[tame burrow]

Even I fell for it

[worn cipher]

We have to wait and see

In practice

[wooden sierra]

you miss the joke then lol

[worn cipher]

Ok

What was the joke

[normal tundra]

Yep ShiftUp likely will "intentionally refuse to release additional Electric B3s that shorten burst duration"... or if they do, it won't be Electric. That's how ShiftUp has decided to manage power creep - by deliberately and carefully excluding from synergies. And if they discover that they accidentally introduced a synergy during testing, they'll revise the kit to make it impossible for the synergy. Like if an Electric B1 got stupid OP with Arcana.

You know when they released 2B? And how the only way to ramp her power was to buff Max HP before she bursted?

It took them a long time before they dared release Rouge with such a kit.

[night bough]

I think they could do Isabel treasure. She's only a pilgrim in name, and you can wishlist her now. Plus, when treasure releases you can buy copies for silver tickets, or gold tickets if its your first one

[sturdy hazel]

i do think that Arcana + Isabel will be used on Raids, but as a second or third team after the main Electric team with Anis/Cindy/Ein or Trina/Scarlet

[prime citrus]

I think the wishlist being added was to lay the groundwork for Pilgrim treasure.

Just need some of the CN QOL for the molds.

[tame burrow]

What's the CN QOL?

[prime citrus]

It's not official yet, but the Beta seemed to say that if you don't get an SSR, you get some mold back.

[tame burrow]

That's one way to address the mold issue

The question is just how much refund you get

It'd be fucking nothing if it gives back like only 5

[prime citrus]

12

#1353582790582734901 message

[wintry vine]

How long till this banner starts?

[tame burrow]

9 hours

more or less

[worn cipher]

9 hours till banner or maintaince?

[feral ravine]

maintenance should end in 11 hour from now

[worn cipher]

Yes my son

[rocky girder]

Isabeless

[lament pollen]

telling me to invest in isabel, nice bait

i would if she got treasure.

[worn cipher]

You wouldn't

[night bough]

I would 🥺

[tacit forge]

he was never heard of again

[normal tundra]

Kit is wonderful for Isabel. It makes Isabel relevant.

Other than spreedsheet commanders that calculated her dmg output, we don't know if it's enough

Also means if you don't have Isabel or aren't willing to invest in her, Arcana is trash without a new unit

There's also a slim possibility that Arcana kit actually buffs Scarlet at end of all Full Bursts. I didn't think so but a few tried to convince me otherwise

So once Arcana's out, we'll find out if she's an Isabel-dependent dud for most of us

Or find out she's godly enough that you're thoroughly cooked if you're trying to save for Stellar Blade collab

[night bough]

The real bait would be if they released Isabel 2 without warning that also has a short burst kit and is insanely overtuned

and they're a limited collab unit

[normal tundra]

Eve as Electric B3 which shortens burst duration

[tacit forge]

can you get a 0s FB duration? When stackng isabel and someone like besti

[normal tundra]

FB duration shorteners are only for their FBs

So far. Only B Soda extends for anyone's FBs, but that's extend

So the shortest possible is 5s, there isn't shorter yet achievable in Nikke

Unless you want to count the whole team dying in a second of casting FB

[night bough]

sounds like something Isabel's treasure would do

"kills the other nikke's on your team after full burst completes"

[normal tundra]

Also, two FB duration shorteners aren't worth it with Arcana.

Arcana is a 40s CD B2.

Her Wheel of Fortune can only achieve the condition in the same FB the duration shortener bursted.

It's practically impossible to make it cover two shortened FBs.

[night bough]

yeah I think its better to think of Arcana and Isabel as one unit when crafting teams. You still need a normal CDR for your alternating bursts

which is somewhat unfortunate

I was looking at Flora today, since she's a 40s B2

I guess she was meant to be with Ein?

[normal tundra]

Yeah. It's a healer focused character with some perks

[night bough]

and true damage buff

[normal tundra]

Sometimes a healer loses offense potential in exchange for more focus on healing

The kit design of a healer, I mean

Flora is like that. That's why she's a little weird when you're trying to do more damage

So it's not to say that she's meant to be with Ein.. more that they didn't want her to be a "real" offense enhancer

[night bough]

her true damage buff is fairly big, we just haven't had anyone who can use it and not make the team suck overall

someone would have to do like, all true damage

and admittedly I keep forgetting how true damage works and am not sure how trivial that would be to balance

[normal tundra]

It just ignores enemy DEF

That's all

It's effectively adding to ATK as much as the enemy had DEF, since it's a subtraction relationship there in the formula

[night bough]

are there any bosses where that matters in particular? like can you phase ignore anyone with that who gets a fat DEF buff?

[normal tundra]

So if enemy had 10,000 DEF, you ignore all 10,000 DEF and it's essentially like your character got a free 10,000 (Final) ATK to counter that DEF

It's usually too weak to matter (relatively, enemies have poor DEF unless your team is nerfed by high deficit)

But some enemies or bosses do jack up the DEF a lot, like Mirror Container

[night bough]

I imagine a boss like Mirror Container crystal chamber where you can pick for them to get a giant DEF buff or your own team gets an ATK debuff. So, cleanse or true damage.

burst shortening, true damage, and cleanse I feel are all way underutilized

I'd like more mechanical bosses to encourage dps phase manipulation

esp after the Patchwerk damage sponge boss we just had

[radiant rain]

Indi also has higher than normal def for some reason

[wintry vine]

alright

any tldr yet?

or thoughts?

is she clipRL or no?

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1922607403930910720/vid/avc1/1920x1080/TfLQm0-kWjpy540R.mp4

[normal tundra]

Video shows full mag reload

[wintry vine]

she only works with isabel vesti or mihara

strictly

otherwise she wont have this when fb ends

[normal tundra]

I think the consensus is she’s trash without Isabel, but needs post-release testing to verify she can’t side-buff Scarlet on every Isabel Full Burst after Scarlet’s bursted once in the fight

If she can’t, then she’s extremely tied to Isabel and it’s all dependent on if you’re willing to invest in Isabel

[wintry vine]

so realistically she only works with isabel

[midnight juniper]

Currently her entire kit only work on Isabel

Her buff, her mechanic

Isabel now is trash => treasure

[normal tundra]

Yep. And the main gain Isabel gets is she starts spamming her S2 - activates once every 3.75s

[wintry vine]

yeah this is definitely way too good

[normal tundra]

While heightened by 180% atk dmg
But outside of her first FB.
The FB has to end, after all.
But the buff lasts 15s, and means Isabel pops off from team FB3 onwards.

[wintry vine]

for isabel

like this is crazy good

tove arcana Isabel drakeT B2 ?

[midnight juniper]

No

You still need B1 CDR

Arcana CDR only works when she bursts

But she's 40s

[normal tundra]

^

[wintry vine]

hmm but u can use a b2

[normal tundra]

My idea is ShiftUp might be trying to sell Isabel, Scarlet, Arcana, Trina to us

These two duos can fit in same team

And are all Electric

[wintry vine]

maid priv is a must use

or scarlet

or anyone tbh

the next burst cycle is buffed

b1cdr arcana Isabel Scarlet trina

?

[midnight juniper]

I still dont get

Why Scar Trina

[normal tundra]

It’s like a whole viable Electric team 2

[wintry vine]

then who else

[normal tundra]

Cindy is team 1

[wintry vine]

cinderella?

[normal tundra]

Just a matter of convenience

[wintry vine]

you can use anyone

[normal tundra]

Like, Arcana buffs electric right? Her burst, not the one that requires B3 Electric because that’ll only help Isabel

[wintry vine]

ok now i understand what shino is saying

cindy is definitely the pick

[normal tundra]

So… Electric teammates… and Scarlet happens to fit in there with Trina

[wintry vine]

180% atk damage, more bursts for cindy

[midnight juniper]

Are we talking about SR or just 1 simple comp

[wintry vine]

both ig

[normal tundra]

Only applies to the Electric B3 that bursted, and FB ends while Wheel of Fortune is up

[midnight juniper]

SR Rouge Cindy XMaiden => no slot

Single => Mono

[wintry vine]

oh

if its just a self buff

[normal tundra]

Scarlet/Cindy would be bursting into a FB that ends when Arcana’s Wheel of Fortune already dropped during that FB

[midnight juniper]

So yeah maybe Arc Isa Scar works

[wintry vine]

then it has to be scar trina

[midnight juniper]

Arc focuses only on Isabel

Her buff doesnt last long for 2nd bursters

[normal tundra]

So really they’re just there to leech off the fact Arcana at least buffs Electric code Nikkes a bit when it’s not the mega buff for the Isabel

[wintry vine]

and trina only focuses on scarlet

the 50% atk buff arcana has

[normal tundra]

Bingo

[wintry vine]

buffs scarlet's AoE

[normal tundra]

Otherwise, I guess we could stuff any 2 character combo in there

Too bad about wanting CDR though

If not for that, Exia would’ve been nice

Since Isabel FB lasts 5 seconds, I heard others recommend Liter as the B1

Since crit’s baked into Isabel kit, I think Volume also works

But probably not as good

(but Scarlet also has crit so…)

[wintry vine]

Lemme check the CDR actually

Liter Arcana Isabel Scarlet Trina
lets assume liter is on full cdr ramp up
40s cooldown

• 10s Scarlet fb
• 2s burst gen
• 5s isabel fb
• 2s burst gen
  = 19s, need 21s cdr

CDR
-8.21s liter
-8.21s liter
-6s arcana
= 22.42s total cdr

it definitely works

[stone palm]

it will be clunky a bit

but 9 Cindy nuke/Scar nuke is possible

else just run Rapi B1

no synergy whatsoever

you just slap 3 strong ass DPS

and call it a team

[wintry vine]

Cindy Rouge xMaiden Grave RHB1
Exia Crown S.Anis Ein DWife/Siren
Scarlet Liter Trina Isabel Arcana
Tia Tove Naga MPriv DrakeT (?)

Maids? Mari? team 5

[stone palm]

nah

I won't use Liter there

[wintry vine]

well

rrh and siren are free

regardless

its a b1cdr slot

[radiant rain]

Siren kinda bad since 0 MG

[stone palm]

she just goes back to her real place

[wintry vine]

electric has no machine guns

[stone palm]

a CDR

don't think too high of her DPS outside wind

[radiant rain]

Guillotine:

[stone palm]

she's just a sub dps

[wintry vine]

shes dead

[stone palm]

also no one buys exia anymore

[languid finch]

one B3 cooking

[wintry vine]

fym buys

[stone palm]

burst 1 => 10 = 10% more dmg taken lol

never understand the hype

[wintry vine]

i saw people upgrade reiTN s2

[stone palm]

her dps at max equals non Trina Scarlet

that's bad

[wintry vine]

for a b1?

thats good

[radiant rain]

First wave of treasure are not as OP as 2nd wave

[stone palm]

then use a better one to buff team/deal more dmg

[normal tundra]

Tbh if you’re willing to break SAnis away from Cinderella, you could stick SAnis with Isabel for the genuine Isabel waifu experience

[wintry vine]

exia gives like 80% atk buff

[stone palm]

TO HERSELF

[wintry vine]

or smthng

idk

[wintry vine]

ok so 1.18 x 1.29

surely better than rrhb1

[stone palm]

25% ATK with Midlet dps

idk

[normal tundra]

Exia’s real problem always lacking CDR

[stone palm]

just put RRH in and see her clap people lol

[wintry vine]

rrh is even worse

also 18% separate multiplier

cuz of damage taken

[stone palm]

doesn't matter

[wintry vine]

does

[stone palm]

RRH and Siren never offer much

they offer DPS, never buff

probably worst B1 buffer

with meme buff amount

[radiant rain]

If exia had cdr she wouldn't be in phase 1 treasure

[wintry vine]

there is a team 5 to be made here

rrh can go there

it now depends on what the new electric b3 will be

[normal tundra]

I think there’s a strong chance that there isn’t one

[wintry vine]

what

wdym

[normal tundra]

I won’t die on that hill but I think ShiftUp will not be releasing anyone else compatible with Arcana.. unless it’s a B1 CDR

[wintry vine]

there is always an 'on-element' unit released right before raid

[wintry vine]

arcana already solved

we're just talking about electric raids now

[normal tundra]

Oh

So yet another Electric B3 but not for Arcana, okay

[wintry vine]

there is not much to talking about a unit when the only thing they can do is work with one unit

there is your syp

[normal tundra]

Eh, maybe it’ll be a pvp unit to mess up CA

[stone palm]

personally I would run
Team 1: okay. Or Xlud instead of Red.
Team 2: Siren Crown Ein Sanis Mast M
Team 3: Scarlet RRH Trina Isabel Arcana
Team 4: Shit Gun
Team 5: Liter Tia Naga Mihara HelmT

[little karma]

Yea but they wont be electric I guess
Electric now in the state where they only released buffer
I think they wont be electric until harran got her own treasure too lmao

[lament pollen]

is 2 line tier 11 ammo enough for og scarlet

with trina

[stone palm]

may be we can swap Helm with Mast place because Electric has bloated amount of ATK

[languid finch]

Arcane is like Make Isabel Great Again

[stone palm]

I will cook something about Isabel dmg today

[wintry vine]

Should you Pull? / Is She Good?

Read the whole line, dont read out of context
Arcana is a really good, solid buffer. BUT only for one unit: Isabel.
If you plan to build Isabel, go pull her. If you do not plan to do so, skip her.

Arcana doesnt really work anywhere where Isabel does not work. So she is strictly a unit for Bossing, and only when isabel is relevant.

[normal tundra]

Typo spotted. Lowercase i for Isabel’s name

[wintry vine]

previous SR

[stone palm]

Cinderella/Scarlet will gain a lot of burst dmg (around 33% more) with Isabel Arcana in exchange for 2 spots. If those spots are worthy, then okay

[wintry vine]

2.5b with bsoda mpriv alone

add drakeT

thats a 3b team

[wintry vine]

gain a lot of burst damage from who?

[stone palm]

only if boss deals 0 dmg

from herself

[radiant rain]

Prev elec SR is ice dragon?

[stone palm]

[wintry vine]

huh wdym

[little karma]

Those last team not gonna last in today comp maybe trina scar and arc isa go there

[stone palm]

think snek

think

[wintry vine]

from arcana?

[stone palm]

how many burst Cindy will do

with isabel

normal Cindy can do 6 to 7

[wintry vine]

i dont know actually

whats the rotation again

2s gen
10s cindy
2s gen
5s isabel
19s

[stone palm]

180 / 19 =?

[wintry vine]

9 bursts cindy

[stone palm]

[wintry vine]

its 9.4

so

x2

hmm

damn

so u can crown here too

with rouge

[stone palm]

you don't cripple Cinderella at all, you just funnel more into Cinderella burst

as I previously state

Cinderella Rouge Isabel Crown Arcana

[wintry vine]

usually its 7 burst cindy?

[stone palm]

7 if you can gen burst

[wintry vine]

with rouge?

[normal tundra]

Oh I’m liking this idea

More FBs for Cindy?

[wintry vine]

well with rouge i think i end on xMaiden burst

[solid gate]

So how much dmg can Isabel even do with arcana

[stone palm]

yeah

[wintry vine]

so its like 14 full bursts

[radiant rain]

Crown buffs last 15s so it has good uptime as well

[wintry vine]

with only a sliver of 14th burst

[stone palm]

nah if you end with Maiden

that's around 12 burst I think

[wintry vine]

i burst with xMaiden twice

once when her mp is maxxed

[stone palm]

oh then you are fast

[wintry vine]

and once more

[languid finch]

so, mediocre Pilgrims get dedicated support instead of Treasures
I guess that's how they'll recycle outdated Pilgrims

[wintry vine]

yeah its 14

[stone palm]

I can't

[wintry vine]

just get chair

or get good

[normal tundra]

Is it worth losing supports buffing Cindy though? Worth losing XMaiden, or SAnis, helping Cindy?

[wintry vine]

Midabel A tier now

[wintry vine]

its xMaiden and rhb1

[normal tundra]

Oh

[wintry vine]

this needs practical testing

or gatrix needs to make his spreadsheet

the possibilities are a lot

[solid gate]

So how much dmg does Isabel do

[wintry vine]

x7.5 of her current damage according to trix

[solid gate]

How much is that

[wintry vine]

idk

[little karma]

Its more easy to test this you dont need to build isabel just to test this

Rather than testing isabel damage one

[wintry vine]

we have a resident isabel fan here

Essentially lets just list the possible teams with arcana atm

[stone palm]

I mean

it's quite simple no?

180% ATK and 180% Attack Damage

so 2.8 x 2.8 = 7.5

problem is I don't know about her base dmg though

but I can guarantee she's Miley Cyrus now

hitting like a wrecking ball

[wintry vine]

**B1CDR Arcana Isabel B3 B2 **

Cindy Crown
Scarlet Trina

[little karma]

Did you count the s2 cd cut too
How to calculate those btw lol

[wintry vine]

what else

[stone palm]

I don't

[solid gate]

Undercooked meth

[radiant rain]

There's still those buffs that affect all allies, which will also affect Isabel

[solid gate]

Comparisons to other dps when

[stone palm]

yep

around

187% ATK

185% Attack damage

[wintry vine]

theres more
50% caster atk buff
10% damage taken
5% caster atk buff
10% attack damage

[stone palm]

+10% AD and 10% dmg taken

[radiant rain]

Therea the 50% caster attack for 5s

[stone palm]

50% ATK only lasts 5s

quite short so I don't account it

mostly during non burst

[wintry vine]

[radiant rain]

Just average out over 15s

[wintry vine]

its still good

[radiant rain]

Like the 180% damage buff durarion

[stone palm]

Isabel strong point is her buff lasts forever

her S1 one

[wintry vine]

we need Isabel base damage first

[stone palm]

the 180% will last on full other burst + out burst

but not during her burst

[wintry vine]

'strong point'

[stone palm]

during her burst, she's pretty much dead weight

[wintry vine]

17% atk buff

[stone palm]

which lasts forever

half of midernia

[wintry vine]

and look at midernia now

[midnight juniper]

Isabel kit isnt that really bad

[radiant rain]

If only her burst debuff last more than 5s...

[midnight juniper]

It's just -5s FB is really ass

and her S2 scale dog shit

Surely her treasure looks promising

[radiant rain]

That sweet 40% debuff is so nice but 5s only

Its not bad just that its pretty niche for a unit that most people still have at 1/1/1

So now we have 2 units to build

[stone palm]

make me wonder about Harran now

what will her treasure be

[radiant rain]

Unlimitee poison stack

[pearl pilot]

[radiant rain]

Boss spawn 100 mobs

[pearl pilot]

and higher atk buff

[radiant rain]

Her partner will ramp her stacks

[pearl pilot]

Flora

[radiant rain]

But need to give the first stack first

Flora missing that

[pearl pilot]

[little karma]

First you need to make her always get max self buff
Then make dot guaranteed lmao
After that just buff her number maybe

[stone palm]

Her dot now refreshes every full charge

Deal same amount as mihara max burst

Make harran great again

[tame burrow]

More like her predator skill needs to gain stacks on full charge rather than kill

[stone palm]

Yeah

[radiant rain]

Still not enuf

Double numbers and stack limit at least

[wintry vine]

her s2 now procs like every few seconds

every 3.75s

idk how much it matters

but its like 1/4th of s.anis s2

[midnight juniper]

currently is still too weak

need treasure

[wintry vine]

arcana is her treasure

Im pretty sure we wont get pilgrim treasures

like im 60% sure that they wont make pilgrims available for gold tickets just like that

[midnight juniper]

i dont think Arcana alone is enough

[solid gate]

yeah, they definitely plan to "treasure" pilgrims using a separate unit

rather than actual treasure

harran is prob the only one left that really needs one

[radiant rain]

Isabel s2 still not strong enough but its in line with DrakeT s2

Since she hits 5 units

[stone palm]

every 3.75s

I think it's okay, a mini dmg burst

total 8184% ATK throughout the match give or take

[solid gate]

this just hits everyone yeah?

[stone palm]

okayish, not bad not good either

[radiant rain]

The dmg taken debuff is too short to benefit from isabel damage all coming outside FB

[stone palm]

just consider it never exist

[tepid night]

Arcana is the unit that killed the 5s burst meme

because she'll break the game if they make more support for it

197.5% attack damage, 230% attack share, 300% bonus skill 2 damage and some damage taken because why not

all this to make isabel "kind of okay"

the absolute state of isabel

[tacit forge]

a lot of 1.0 kits seem like
"how could they have make this?"
and then liter sat right next to those shit kits

[tepid night]

broken clock and so on

broken cunny in this case

[hardy axle]

Heh, K model

[wintry vine]

well we can only claim

but this way cindy is getting 2 more bursts

[wintry vine]

Anis is never with her

This is for elec st

Sr

[forest karma]

you know any source that i can get hongbuk's meme like this

[tacit forge]

why don't you just go straight to the source instead

[fleet heart]

what is isabel eating

wtf

[marble valley]

she's eating Arcana cards

[tepid night]

monch monch

[little karma]

It should be me who eat arcana not isabel

[fringe lagoon]

Probably Arca. I got this from random nikke discord

[tame burrow]

Poor Harran

[normal tundra]

She's specific to Electric B3s that shorten FB durations.

All they have to do is make non-Electric B3s that shorten FB durations

Then introduce supports for them.

[✅] Electric
[❌] Fire
[❌] Water
[❌] Wind
[❌] Iron

8 more characters in the making

[prisma summit]

Gimme Trina but for Air Nikke

So my Rei Tentative can be OP

[wintry vine]

i wonder how much space is left for non element units

in each element

[stone palm]

hm it seems Isabel will hit very hard

[livid geode]

At this point, summer units will be anything except Water element.

[stone palm]

around Scar with Trina

okay so we have another alternative of Cinderella Rouge Scarlet Trina Crown/Sanis

Cinderella Rouge Isabel Crown Arcana

Cinderella will deal a bit less dmg but you have Isabel to compensate with her heavy hit

then Cinderella can burst up to 9 times

[radiant rain]

The summer water units released were horrible

SNeon flashbacks

[stone palm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAhm4nchQiI&ab_channel=Revs

you sure you can burst 14 times?

[wintry vine]

@astral furnace we burst 14 times right?

[stone palm]

from the vid, Rev finished with Maiden and 6s left

that's 12

[livid geode]

They do her dirty.

Rapipi get upgrade

[stone palm]

can't even squeeze the 13

[livid geode]

SAnis meta

[wintry vine]

is rev a gamer

like

yk

huh

[wintry vine]

shino posted his run

did he use 2b

yeah he did

[wintry vine]

did he burst with maiden twice?

[little karma]

Maybe youre getting gaslighted like me snake
I always remember 7 cindy 6 anis and 1 maiden
But the real thing should be 7 cindy 5 anis 1 maiden lol

[wintry vine]

nah nah its like
the timeline is

at around 35s left its cindy burst, after which i gen and i burst with xMaiden?
then i burst with cindy and then again with Maiden?

[radiant rain]

You can get 1 more xmaiden burst in

But will end mid FB

[wintry vine]

https://youtu.be/TQp9K1GcXV4?si=tSHJ9mCeN2y87fUx

@stone palm

[stone palm]

so you can burst maiden twice?

[wintry vine]

just get good smh

[wintry vine]

last burst isnt full

maybe if u are kira its full

but otherwise no

[midnight juniper]

Electric always has potential to hit 14 bursts

[wintry vine]

7 cindy 5 anis 2 xmaiden

[midnight juniper]

If your Maiden is strong enough you can burst when she just finished S1 stacks and 12 MPs

[stone palm]

hm for me it's 6-5-1

[midnight juniper]

And land last XMaiden at the end

Starts with Cindy

[wintry vine]

its all about spam tbh

mari rouge xmaiden

[stone palm]

not with 6 ammo rouge

[wintry vine]

utilise them to the best

[stone palm]

and maiden

[midnight juniper]

Last burst starts at 00:06

[wintry vine]

i use 6 ammo mari

u need mari and/or rouge ammo

[wintry vine]

yeah u need

one ammo on rouge

and on mari too maybe

[stone palm]

also, spamming rouge = no CDR

[wintry vine]

no

u can spam rouge

[midnight juniper]

6 ammo Mari can do 14th

[stone palm]

during FB, she can only land 6 7 hits max

[midnight juniper]

You just have skill issue

[stone palm]

[wintry vine]

yes so spam 5 shots with mari and swap to rouge

but tbh

one ammo on rouge is huge qol

u should get it

spending rocks to get 1 ammo on mari rouge dwife is worth

big time

dwife not so much now

[stone palm]

yeah, I think lacking 2 ammo gut my Rouge CDR rotation

during FB, she can shoot 7 shots, so I just need to do 1 full charge on Rouge and spam the rest

[tepid night]

can arcana buffed isabel hit harder than cindy with burst nuke

[worn cipher]

Soon

[radiant rain]

With only just Arcana buffs, she increases isabel damage by ~7.8x at least

[little karma]

Its now not soon

[wintry vine]

@pale jacinth

show us the power of goatabel

[pale jacinth]

No

[wintry vine]

[pale jacinth]

Only I get to know the numbers

[wintry vine]

sharing is caring

[pale jacinth]

[rigid bane]

[wintry vine]

who willing to send ss

[left dome]

Really good and solid are overestimations.

She's just good.

You still have to figure out who other B2 is.

Crown and Mari, who are the best picks right now, are still unoptimal.

[wintry vine]

all i know is i just got 3 rox

[left dome]

Any B2 that is strong enough off-burst and in-burst, either 20s or 40s, should be okay. Mast is a good example but she stuns herself.

[wintry vine]

i just need images

proof

the math guys have abandoned us

[light herald]

what's the burst gen per hit for Arcana??

[wintry vine]

1.5

[light herald]

full RL sadge

[wintry vine]

ye

[left dome]

With 2.5s reload.

[livid geode]

God, imagine being a buffer to Pilgrim, who a yandere that will likely kill Arcana instead of enemies.

[mortal quartz]

I kinda am intrigued to pull Arcana but K is coming very soon lol

[wintry vine]

we guessed trina scarlet or crown cindy

for now

[static vale]

i'm thinking this is a wishlist character even if she deals insane dmg it's just soloraid

[wintry vine]

they gonna do everything but fix the game

[light herald]

Crown Cindy is negative burst gen

[wintry vine]

rouge

[pearl pilot]

What's the sample comp here?

[light herald]

can just look at your PvP teams to figure that out

[pearl pilot]

[light herald]

[wintry vine]

what

no we were talking pve

[light herald]

no I'm saying you can know just how bad it is

from the PvP calcs

Rouge burst gen also shit here

realistically speaking

you want Rouge Cindy XMaiden anyway

so Crown Cindy would be mega sus

[wintry vine]

the thought process was cindy gets 9 bursts

instead of 7

[left dome]

You multiply it by 4 for PvP.

So 6.

[wintry vine]

for pvp its 12% on 2rl

its not bad

[light herald]

look at the spirit of my point, not the technicality of it

[wintry vine]

its like above a2

slightly

[light herald]

yeah and this is gonna be worth less than just shoving in XMaiden into a Rouge comp with Cindy

because there's mutual synergy with Rouge and XMaiden buffing

[left dome]

Does not mean I can't correct it.

[light herald]

And even putting that aside, the main problem with Cindy Crown Arcana Isabel is that you can tell the passive burst gen is absolute garbage, Rouge has to pull too much weight

while also firing 8 full charges

without an SAnis reload

it is very rough

[frail coral]

I tyhink you just do Trina + Scarlet

[light herald]

you also have to fire 8 within shortened full burst time

[wintry vine]

i just wanna see the damage still

[light herald]

to get the 2nd proc

[frail coral]

Trina is clip RL

[wintry vine]

maybe the damage is enough to throw ein into maids

and use arcana isabel in crown

[left dome]

XMaiden will obviously win under Electric weak. Neutral is another question, but then Cindy SAnis XMaiden is too strong to separate + Arcana Isabel needs another B2, and if you use Cindy, there isn't really another B2 strong enough that can compensate for the loss of another B3 yet.

[wintry vine]

well actually

Ein has that

miranda thing

too

[left dome]

Miranda who.

Crit S2?

[light herald]

Arcana is p simply summarized as not offering much in neutral

[wintry vine]

yeah

[light herald]

she's primarily buffing Isabel, who is baseline garbage, and the rest of her buffs are just okay for the other character

[wintry vine]

maids possibly bench for elec?

[light herald]

so neutral wise she's pretty shit

[wintry vine]

"primarily"

im pretty sure

[frail coral]

this is pretty scuff but this is a 4/4/4 isabel

[wintry vine]

she is only buffing isabel

except for the 5s atk buff

[left dome]

She does buff the other B3 by allowing them to Burst more.

[frail coral]

it looks pretty promising

[left dome]

Well with enough speed.

[light herald]

p sure there's other stuff there

[wintry vine]

oh the 10% damage taken and 10% atk damage

i guess

crust gives more

[light herald]

Again compared to other options it's small

Other options can buff more while taking up 1 slot instead of 3

Arcana functionally occupies 3 slots:

• Forces a 2nd B2
• Isabel
• Herself

[left dome]

Not really.

Her Burst buff lingers...

A bit.

If you rotate faster you can catch maybe 2.5s of it in the next rotation.

[light herald]

Isabel buffing is mostly garbage unless you can reburst faster than 2s

[wintry vine]

thats possible with scar trina

[light herald]

Yes

[wintry vine]

so now the question is about the b1cdr

[light herald]

In terms of functionality that makes the most sense since it doesn't poach from the other teams that are already well formed (Rouge Cindy XMaiden, SAnis Crown Exia)

[wintry vine]

rrh siren volume liter

[light herald]

Trina occupies the multi role of buffing, B2, healing, and burst gen by being clip RL

[wintry vine]

it also solves the problem of trina not buffing other b3

[light herald]

last thing is that Trina also makes Scarlet burst not worthless

[left dome]

Define promising.

[light herald]

by injecting like 600% dmg up into her burst and forcing the crit passive to activate

and Isabel debuff + Arcana occupies damage taken

I did napkin math and assuming some high ele, you could get like 135M on a crit with Scarlet burst at Lv400

[wintry vine]

isabel debuff is only 5s

for her burst only

[light herald]

yes it's animation delayed

by 2s

[frail coral]

if i invest in isabel i think her damage could be onpar with scarlet

[wintry vine]

whoa what

[light herald]

so if you reburst fast enough you can actually snapshot it

into Scarlet burst

[frail coral]

I just want Isabel to be at least t4/t5 viable in solo raid

especially using her wedding skin

[river shuttle]

She's good?

[left dome]

Ah yes lets charge burst gen in 3s discounting burst skill use delay

Thats way too tight

[light herald]

?

[frail coral]

problem is that im stingy on my resources

[light herald]

Are you serious?

3s is something Mari can do alone

with no ammo lines

[timid gust]

I highly doubt that Isabel will ever reach that point, for the simple reason that the amount of CDR you'd need to make Isabel viable would probably go a lot further on almost any other B3 Electric Attacker

[light herald]

2s is completely realistic with Scarlet Trina

[wintry vine]

40s cooldown

• 10s Scarlet fb
• 2s burst gen
• 5s isabel fb
• 2s burst gen
  = 19s, need 21s cdr

CDR
Liter full ramp up
-8.21s liter
-8.21s liter
-6s arcana
= 22.42s total cdr
so u have that extra leeway with liter

Siren
-7.48
-7.48
-6s
= 20.96s
with this you are off by a slight milli second?

[left dome]

Probably

No, I know its possible. Just unforgiving.

[timid gust]

If any Pilgrim needs a treasure, it's probably Isabel.

[static vale]

no she doesn't

she has arcana

[left dome]

You definitely can but you need to rotate perfectly

[timid gust]

Honestly though, if they just gave her a 20 second Burst cooldown, I think it'd do the trick.

[frail coral]

i feel like the Pilgrims are just gonna get a standard unit

[light herald]

like Trina is 3.6% per hit, aka you if you precharge and land about 6 shots total before CD, she will contribute 54% by herself with no quantum vs a boss, 56.5% with quantum

[frail coral]

if thats the trend

[light herald]

lets say scarlet shoots for 1.5s, that's 0.45x2x18 = 16.2% contribution

[frail coral]

not the best idea but you dont need 2 copies of a pilgrim

[wintry vine]

siren is slightly off

[normal tundra]

Scope Lock in case someone's interested Even if some think it's useless

[livid geode]

20 pulls, nothing, done.

[little karma]

Did cindy damage lower even tho its 2 burst more lmao

[light herald]

so you have 70% contribution from that, Arcana will contribute say 6%, Isabel 8% -> 14% total -> 84%, Liter with 1.5s firing in 30s could contribute 0.1x2x30 = 6% in 1.5s vs boss -> yields 90% in 1.5s, 1 trina shot is 7.2% before quantum, Scarlet can fire 3 bullets per Trina shot, so 2.7%

so you can def achieve burst in about 1.75s

[tepid night]

The Scarlet killer...

[left lichen]

skip or pull?

[eternal ether]

feels I'm back in year one, Scarlett and Isabel when last

Isabel finally Scarlett level

[worn cipher]

A

[dapper tulip]

pins

[normal tundra]

To be fair, I ran another Scope Lock for a different team to check what it's like for say.. BS Scarlet.

BS Scarlet almost got 900m with Crown + Naga combo.

I'm going to give Isabel the same combo.

[left lichen]

haaa?

[rocky girder]

so are we building isabel?

[radiant rain]

Scope lock

[frail coral]

she might be a solid t4/t5 for electric solo raids

[stone palm]

build Isabel so you don't have to run Tove

[frail coral]

maybe neutral content with Cindy

[rocky girder]

what about vesti?

[midnight juniper]

Is there anyone doing Isabel Arcana

[rocky girder]

[midnight juniper]

[eternal ether]

Just pull the plug on this unit

[little karma]

Arcana is easy can just borrow
Isabel invested on the other hand...

[worn cipher]

Skibidi skippa

[radiant rain]

Arc+trina > crown+helm

From initial test

[worn cipher]

[stone palm]

180% Attack Damage + 185% ATK > 76% Attack Damage + 44% ATK

damn who would have thought

[dapper tulip]

bigger number > smaller number

[radiant rain]

I mean... that's the best support we can give

[dapper tulip]

[radiant rain]

[frail coral]

shift up w i guess

they made Isabel viable

[worn cipher]

Guys I think arcana and Trina might be better teammates than crown and helm t .... For Isabel

[radiant rain]

[rocky girder]

so, for electri raids isabel is necessary

imma fix my alice then

[frail coral]

you need arcana tho

[stone palm]

[midnight juniper]

somehow Arcana is the first character makes me really horny

after 2.5 years playing

[worn cipher]

Dude

[rocky girder]

[normal tundra]

My rough guess is Isabel with Arcana is 75% of a BS Scarlet, not sure if it's higher or lower than that

But unfortunately I could only base it off bad Scope Locks

[frail coral]

is it time to OL SR15 Isabel?

[quartz wyvern]

for electric sr, does this mean isabel + arcana is a staple team now?

[pearl pilot]

[normal tundra]

Yes, but because it's Isabel, either we're about to see a banner run for Isabel... or some new unit that's like Isabel but better.

[quartz wyvern]

so in a way arcana is like tove, a unit too ahead of her time

[normal tundra]

Otherwise, Arcana is a skip because maybe you don't have Isabel or investing in Isabel is a big risk

[quartz wyvern]

i have lb0 isabel

with the wedding skin too

been itching to use her lmao

[weary quartz]

Same tbh lol

[static vale]

if they were going to run a banner for isabel they should have done it at the same time or before

running one after is really stupid

[weary quartz]

I did 7 and didn’t get her though

[frail coral]

its a bit iffy since theyre opnly usuable in SR

[midnight juniper]

[frail coral]

which is a once a month content

[quartz wyvern]

dps liter meta omg ??!111!

[static vale]

does isabel have any fans?

[quartz wyvern]

@pale jacinth

[solid cliff]

She made Isabel a REAL yandere or nah?

[midnight juniper]

idk

i just do meme test

[hardy axle]

Ao dai core

new f**ish found

[pale jacinth]

Nani

[quartz wyvern]

time to flex your isabel

[pale jacinth]

Meh at best

[solid cliff]

Exclusively buffing for a singular unit off burst doesn't look kinda good

[static vale]

if a character did all this for rapi then it would be a 10/10 must pull breaks the game

[normal tundra]

That won't happen

The only reason the buff numbers are insane, is precisely because they knew it was affecting Isabel only

[static vale]

ofc it won't happen lol

[normal tundra]

You can expect the numbers to be drastically lowered if it was designed for a powerhouse like Rapi Hood

[stone palm]

if this much was for Mihara

may be we could do Mihara vs 5 AI

[pale jacinth]

Fix Isabel please

[livid geode]

Even a simp can't defend Isabel, she is so meh that she need a private buffer and a treasure later on to become stonk

[pale jacinth]

Why must I suffer pulling new chars to make her slightly less viable

[static vale]

this is the fix you should be happy rn

[pale jacinth]

Only cost me 30 pulls but god damn

[stone palm]

she is now at Scarlet Trina level

be happy

look at Hallan

[pale jacinth]

I pulled Leona I pulled Trina I pulled Tove

[static vale]

you can refund those

[pale jacinth]

[normal tundra]

Ngl, I got Arcana in 30 pulls.

Now I hesitate to even try for more.

Since I'd rather wishlist her and let her get to MLB in 2 years. It's that bad atm. Needs more evidence.

[pale jacinth]

I got her in 30 pulls too

Guess time to see

[wintry vine]

This is literally

Scar Trina 2.0

[pale jacinth]

This is literally me screaming in pain

[wintry vine]

Heck even the damage increase overall is the same

[normal tundra]

0.5

[static vale]

my only gripe is that it does nothing for pvp

should have been a clip and give a survival buff

[wintry vine]

Who the fuck cares about pvp

[fast quest]

That would be too good

[wintry vine]

[static vale]

pvp is the only fun content in the game

[pale jacinth]

What am I looking at leveling

[pale jacinth]

Fun my butt

[wintry vine]

I'm looking for PvP maids if any1 want it hmu

[fast quest]

Arena matters for gems income

[pale jacinth]

All I do is counter the enemy team

[wintry vine]

Skill 2 lvl10
Skill 1 lvl10
Burst lvl4

In order of prio

[pale jacinth]

Oh my god

My manuals

ALL FOR ISABEL I SUPPOSE

[wintry vine]

@indigo coyote do I pull her

[pale jacinth]

Are you a meta slave

If yes, don’t

[static vale]

this is a wishlist character

pull her if you pulled mana like a chump

[pale jacinth]

Why mana

[wintry vine]

Mr sky said

[static vale]

because mana was also a wishlist character

[wintry vine]

Mana was good wdym

[coral wagon]

At least got her on 40 pull
Rather regret pull her rather than regret not to pull her

[wintry vine]

Mana was never wishlist

[pale jacinth]

She was

[wintry vine]

[fast quest]

Hey, Mana is a good Kraken killer for those who missed SSakura and AsukaW

[forest karma]

Mana is a good unit

[wintry vine]

Mana is not one dimensional bosser

She is multi use

[pale jacinth]

Just cause I pulled her doesn’t mean she deserves c1

[static vale]

if you think mana is a character to pull for then this is also a character to pull for

same shit just raid

[coral wagon]

Mana still getting slander, i can't believe it

[wintry vine]

Off burst off element
On burst on element
PvP
Heck even campaign if u wanna

[normal tundra]

Nice

[pale jacinth]

She’s fine, I’m just saying she doesn’t feel mlb worthy

[wintry vine]

Oh Defo not

Man I wanna pull but

[pale jacinth]

Do you have pulls

[wintry vine]

Collab

[pale jacinth]

Lmao

[wintry vine]

20k gems and 60 tix

But 0 gold mileage

So no

I do not have pulls

[static vale]

did you mlb mihara or something

why broke

[wintry vine]

Rapi

[solid cliff]

[static vale]

that was ages ago

[wintry vine]

Still haven't recovered

[static vale]

[wintry vine]

Ok one multi never harmed anyone

[pale jacinth]

The fuck am I doing

[wintry vine]

Damn

[coral wagon]

I pull her, but i will not invest to her yet

Until certain Isabel will getting treasure

[radiant rain]

Not goint mlb

[pale jacinth]

I literally ran out of manuals doing this for skills

[pale jacinth]

HELL NO

[wintry vine]

Damn ok
I got yer

20 pulls

Let's go

[static vale]

that would be my scenario

if i get her i won't built isabel anyway so it's a wishlist

[wintry vine]

I am saved

Thank you god

[radiant rain]

She got caster attack scaling

200+%

Best whale bait for isabel

[pale jacinth]

What is a supporter atk gonna do

[wintry vine]

Aw hell nah I don't got elysion supporter gear it's over

[wintry vine]

When it's 180% it matters

But for now you can think about it later

[wintry vine]

Just give 4 ol

[pale jacinth]

Ain’t got time for that

[radiant rain]

That's 166%+ attacker scaling

[pale jacinth]

I’m just suffering here

[static vale]

you have a 10/10/10 isabel right? do a test run and show us

[pale jacinth]

Where we run

[static vale]

is there no ai boss?

[pale jacinth]

After I do some leveling on gears

And shit

[wintry vine]

Shooting range

Arcana Isabel Trina Scarlet Liter

Is the expected team

[solid cliff]

Run mirror container

[pale jacinth]

Liter?

Trina?

Fuckkk

[static vale]

what does your acc look like if liter is a problem

[pale jacinth]

More like I haven’t seen her used outside of UR in forever for me

Lmao

[wintry vine]

Hmm if not Trina then I guess

Grave RRH?

Arcana Isabel Grave Mihara RRH

[pale jacinth]

What skills on Trina

Mine is just 444

[wintry vine]

4/4/4 or 4/7/7

[radiant rain]

Lvl 200 trial arcana with 10/10/10 vs lvl 546 1/1/1, deals 10% more team damage

[pale jacinth]

Let’s see what I can scrounge up

Most I can go is 4/6/7

LMAO

[wintry vine]

That's fine

[neat dock]

No OL No Doll 1/1/1 isabel
Arcana 7/7/4
Drake is OLx5 Lv5 SSR3 10/7/10

Drake and Isabel core 7

[static vale]

isabel so strong

[neat dock]

Now imagine if she was OLx4 SR15 10/10/10

[wintry vine]

[neat dock]

Arcana is 7/7/4

[wintry vine]

Does this even work lol

I mean like

This is arguably worse for tove

Considering you need more rng

Cuz of shorter fb

[neat dock]

If U run with dolla yes

If U with with Leona no

[radiant rain]

I think isabel skill priority lower, since thw damge mostly coming from arc

[wintry vine]

Is it better DPS with dolla?

[neat dock]

There's a 4 second delay everytime U burst tove

On that team

[wintry vine]

That's not bad

Ohh

I forgot

Arcana gives cdr

So essentially it's just a 10s fb

Hmm

I see

[pale jacinth]

Might be fucked cause the boss spent the entire time in the back

[static vale]

i see if you can't make isabel good then she's bad

[tepid night]

the scarlet killer sn't killing scarlet

well at least i got 2 arcanas in 10 pulls so i can't complain about shift up scamming me with a shit unit again

they offer a shit unit at a cheap price

[pale jacinth]

Ima use the shotgun team to see

[tepid night]

i'm gonna be so sad if this can't even beat sg

[pale jacinth]

Damn my drake needs work

[tepid night]

oh right isabel is a sg i forgot

[pale jacinth]

When can I reset others so I can fix up Drake

[tepid night]

like 2 weeks ago

[pale jacinth]

747 Drake isn’t good enough

I have to get her up to help Isabel harder

[tepid night]

does Drake even matter for Isabel?

75% ATK up? 🥱

[pale jacinth]

More damage in team means more higher numbers

[static vale]

3 weeks ago

or in 6 months again

[tepid night]

arcana buffs so massive drake looks kinda small 🤏

Isabel inflation...

[pale jacinth]

Treasure Isabel please

[tepid night]

she just got one

Milk treasure 2.0

[quartz wyvern]

I just gun for 3% sr, don’t think I need to brick my stellar blade pulls for this. Wishlist it is.

[untold veldt]

Agreed

[pale jacinth]

Who dis

[tepid night]

🚮

dont worry about it

she's just a doujin bait now

[rare ember]

how good is leona vs poli buff

probably poli better?

[languid finch]

poli 40sec cd

[rare ember]

cuz running with arcana anyways

[languid finch]

ah

it depends on effective range imo

[rare ember]

I remembered leona effective range increase so small

[languid finch]

yeah

[rare ember]

it wasn't flat +20%

[languid finch]

and if you use M.priv, leona is better imo

I guess there is no spot for M.priv with Arcane though

[fast quest]

So basically pinned post

Regarding on how you should/shouldn't roll for Arcane

[pale jacinth]

Don’t if you don’t have an invested isabel

Which is 99.99% of the playerbase

[neat dock]

I mean whales will be whales

If Isabel is indeed better than bsoda with arcana now

Than yes bsoda will be benched

And Isabel will come out