[Little Mermaid] New Unit Megathread

[wheat island]

what's this grave crown team you made

it begs a lot of questions

[dreamy cedar]

idk

does it not work

[wheat island]

siren needs ammo to be consumed

grave has infinite ammo does not work

[dreamy cedar]

[wheat island]

you want to partner crown with naga

put crown in p1 and naga in p5

then the rest are fine laplace/siren/sbs

[dreamy cedar]

crown naga i do have

[wheat island]

level naga skill 1

crown should burst

on second thought i don't think laplace works with siren either

laplace has infinite ammo too during burst

but if laplace is your strongest b3 then that's fine

[brave silo]

i literally just got Crown 3 days ago, and i was using Grave until i got her

in fact i got 3 pilgrims in the last 3 days
Crown via wishlist 3 days ago
Dorothy via wishlist 2 days ago
Siren yesterday

she completely Outclasses Dorothy, right?

[wheat island]

yes don't use doro

use crown + naga + siren and 2x b3

[dreamy cedar]

man i should have never simped

so she can't be used with infinite ammo nikke

it's over...

[wheat island]

she can be used with them and she still provides buffs

just a part of her kit doesn't work with it

like burst gen and dealing damage

[dreamy cedar]

she DOES do dmg actually

[wheat island]

kind of funny how laplace/rh/modernia if bursting are all infinite ammo

[dreamy cedar]

was shocked

does everyone do dmg

now ?

[wheat island]

i guess crown doesn't unless she's ele% vs iron weak

[dreamy cedar]

wait, this auto focus is good for pvp

[lapis gulch]

is rrh better here

[dusty lotus]

My bad ik it’s probably been said a million times but what ol line are u looking for?

Copy glooks

[coarse crystal]

Is siren worth doll SR15?

[wheat island]

if you don't have a more pressing character to doll yes

i have way too much left i want to 15

[vital harbor]

Maybe, since you can't proc skill 2 fast with that team. But you can just test it.

[fiery sandal]

What's the difference between phase 0, phase 5, phase 10, and phase 15 anyway?

SMG SR doll differences at each major phase.
Phase 0 - 94000 hp, 3029 atk, 638 def, 4.73% smg (normal dmg), 30% def, 10% dmg taken reduction, 12% cover maxhp
Phase 5 - 149950 hp, 4821 atk, 1020 def, 6.3% smg (normal dmg), 32% def, 12% dmg taken reduction, 18% cover maxhp
Phase 10 - 219200 hp, 7041 atk, 1494 def, 7.88% smg (normal dmg), 35% def, 14% dmg taken reduction, 24% cover maxhp
Phase 15 - 301800 hp, 9688 atk, 2058 def, 9.46% smg (normal dmg), 37% def, 17% dmg taken reduction, 30% cover maxhp

[twin meteor]

restarting the conversation. Crown is the goat, siren is pretty good and will see good niche use especially in wind content

[swift arch]

is there reason to mlb\c7 her?
what about skill levels?

ah, sorry all of that in pins

it just didn't load first time for some reason

[winged sundial]

did anyone test if she can perma stun 1-2 farters before they release gas?

[muted turret]

She cant perma stun same target

Only stun target one time

[mighty kraken]

she a menace for campaign

that 3s stun on fart is huge

and also on the suckers

jellyfish

[wary jolt]

Gonna need to cp pad her for hard campaign use

[mighty kraken]

if onyl she could stun bosses

[wary jolt]

Bosses dont get the bubble status?

[mighty kraken]

i mean like

solo raid bosses

[wary jolt]

Ah lol

[lapis gulch]

can siren stun sirencers

[muted turret]

Tbh wil she really that good in campaign?

Helm solves farters

Suckers, jelly and trash bins are killed quickly with pierce

Siren has pepe cp or atleast mine

[drowsy dagger]

this is the main drawback ong

[muted turret]

Third row unit

[winged sundial]

and focus fire too, look very fun to play with. On the other hand, boss killers have been more like meat beater lately.

[unborn blade]

Is Siren better than Rapi for AI Kraken?

[drowsy dagger]

for full auto rrh can clear rockets so she might be better but if you manual siren is much better

[unborn blade]

I see
For daily, i guess RRH still the way

[winged sundial]

use both

[fiery sandal]

If the goal is easy lazy p7 Kraken, you probably can do it with just one wind carry on the team along with Siren. So there's room for Rapi Hood to ez mode destroy interceptable projectiles

If you've got a buff BS Scarlet, you can run Crown, BS Scarlet, Siren, Rapi Hood, Helm treasure. Done

That ain't an autoafk team but you can probably casual manual it with some practice

[lapis gulch]

i tried it got to stage 7-8 with almost no ol on siren

maybe with 100 ele can defeat kraken

[drowsy kiln]

Solid team? Open to changes I have most characters except Asuka

[lapis gulch]

maybe trade a healer for rh

[drowsy kiln]

Hmmmm Naga?

[lapis gulch]

or helm

[drowsy kiln]

Alrighty let's do this

[grave remnant]

missing asskaw for the exodia

[fiery sandal]

I was able to mock-down Harvester with Crown, Rapi Hood, Siren, X Lud, HelmTr. Had to resort to HelmTr burst once

Siren's Wind but still hard counters Harvester's adds mechanic - they keep dying to her procs

[vast carbon]

💀

The bready powercreep is real

And she's not even the right color

[vast carbon]

At least my Bready team does stage 6 comfy

But I might change it if the siren team gets to stage 7 before qte on full auto so I can comfy

[mossy pebble]

10/7/7 1 ele 1 atk 2 ammo siren

with rapipi I usually don't full clear or full clear with <5 sec left

[little saffron]

Mission ask me to upgrade Little mermaid doll
I don't even have R doll for her

[vast carbon]

What did you do with all your dolls

Give them to R nikkes?

[little saffron]

Recycle to get more upgrade mats

[drowsy kiln]

What cube works best for siren?

[little saffron]

Finally, I have 4 Elemental and 3 ATK on Siren

[floral vine]

Fastest kraken clear are helmT or Maid Mast

[little saffron]

no max ammo xD

[floral vine]

Pick your poison

[near marlin]

what was the team

[ember comet]

what's her burst gen in pvp?

[lapis gulch]

2RL 4.3% 3RL 6.3%

[royal gazelle]

A well-fed Grave will yield similar results as Crown damage-wise (200-300 lower)

However, it requires being able to i-frame (if you're not using a healer), which makes it very uncomfy

[soft ocean]

Got this 4 rerolls later

[vast carbon]

How does grave help kraken team? SBS and wasuka don't pierce

[winged sundial]

"well fed" grave has personal dps, its like rapipi but u see rapipi's examples more

and 200-300ml lower than proper crown is reasonable, grave cant compensate much

and grave + mermaid is overlap the burst gen, very fast burst no cdr to take all of it

[toxic elbow]

Just use Alice at that point

Bro hides synchro and cp for why

[sharp lichen]

guysss is she litter killer right?

[wheat island]

team was crown b3 siren b3 and naga or helm in the flex spot depending on the stage

b3's were a mix to hit weakness like rapi alice cindy

[royal gazelle]

Grave pierces core and gives burst gen. I haven't tried Grave since Helm T came out, but Grave probably loses out a lot more since biggest issue with non-Alice Kraken comps before was burst gen

I can compare again when I get off of work. Need to check with Siren anyway Grave is my second highest CP unit, so my examples would be above most people's experience

[unborn blade]

Is Siren actually better b1 than Rapi in some case?

[wheat island]

every case where i use rapi as a b3 she's certainly better

all wind weak content siren is fantastic

[vast carbon]

Rapi is intended to be your fire DPS so even if siren doesn't give better buffs she lets you run B3 rapi

[frail maple]

haven't tried Siren b1 in campaign, but rapipi let me auto most of c37 and 38 hard

[unborn blade]

I gotta defeat Black Snake, fast

[wheat island]

gatrix said yday he was stuck on that too

maybe he's still stuck

[unborn blade]

How good Siren possibly be for BlackSnake?

[acoustic aspen]

passed

but not me who beat it

C36 boss is so brain dead my brain refuses to play properly

[acoustic aspen]

worse than Rapi, and running Rapi B3 means you don't have distribute dmg

[unborn blade]

Dang
No way i wait for next month

[acoustic aspen]

to be fair, if we have enough cp, the best team for Black Nake is actually Rapi Anchor Mast Helm Bready

[frail maple]

pilot for campaign

[acoustic aspen]

Crown wtf against Black Nake

[frail maple]

how gaytrix has fallen

[acoustic aspen]

I helped him MC

it's about time he returned the favor

[frail maple]

time to reach 38-26

[acoustic aspen]

weekend

[frail maple]

though you'll love 1 certain stage

[acoustic aspen]

tonight has a party

does it have 3 Volleyball?

[frail maple]

prespawn volley and jellyfish target

gotta love it

[acoustic aspen]

remind me of 709F

but it's 2 elites shooting relentlessly

[frail maple]

though you can auto most of 37 and 38

crown rapi cindy sanis helmT

i think i autoed 80% of the stages with this team

[tame charm]

dam siren in kraken is too goat

[turbid sundial]

Damn

The support character ain't playing around anymore

[native tulip]

So in what teams would I use liter instead of siren?

Non MG teams?

[wheat island]

you use liter when you fight a boss that wants cover repair

nihilister can be an example of that

[vast carbon]

I don't wanna raise wind asuka

I can already comfy kraken

[willow locust]

In any non-wind Crown team, Liter should be better. Siren's two main benefits that set her ahead are her 33% ammo refund (which Crown + Resil makes a negligible benefit), and her strong Wind Damage (falls off in non-wind).

Liter will also 100% be better with any B3 who deals all their damage in the first 5 seconds of their bust (e.g. Snow White, Maxwell)

[wheat island]

and we enter the element specialized b1 era

with doro as a forgotten failed experiment

[willow locust]

I still refuse to reset my Doro

ammo halving & last bullet meta will return

[wheat island]

i think shift up likes to throw new stuff at us whether it works or not

[willow locust]

Last bullet was a fun concept, which kinda died after Summer Anis

I think it's reasonable to expect it to return eventually

add a B2 who buffs allies ATK for 15 seconds and halves the team's ammo, and Doro is back in business tbh

Or a B0.5, for that matter

[teal rivet]

That milk should have become that 0.5 tbh then she will work with doro

[wheat island]

shift up experiments were like

last bullet > shotgun tove/leone > true damage (lol) > sustained dmg

last bullet seemed to have peaked with anis where they said fuck it this character works alone

and sustained again?

they just made mihara self buff it just like how anis self buffs last bullet

funny how they found the exact same solution twice with a different mechanic

i'm actually not confidant they will go back and really believe they will push a new different mechanic and it will become another mess of failed experiments

[teal rivet]

Yea this mermaid should have given the sus buff with mihara for a proper closure to this dot thing but they said fuck it no sus buff from her just her doing sus damage herself like mihara

[native tulip]

thanks

[native tulip]

thanks, that also makes sense

[willow locust]

Maid Duo as well

any team where the B2 is giving sufficient ammo or reload buffs basically, you should see Liter outperform Siren

(except wind weak where Siren is a proper sub-dps in her own right)

[cold cloud]

how does mermaid burst gen works

scar trina siren la+T centi

[wheat island]

doesn't

that's a pvp team where the fight is over before siren would trigger it

[cold cloud]

I cant react to u, but thumbs up I am going in, if I lose I bite ur ass
wait, what abt stun

I am using noah biscuit xmaiden emi rumani
which worked previously against rosanna ver > mermaid

[wheat island]

if this is rookie u could lose

she can stun noah 2rl in rookie

[cold cloud]

spvp team 1

why?

very interesting..

[wheat island]

idk gatrix said so

[cold cloud]

wat happens in spvp wtf

[wheat island]

rookie is different somehow

[cold cloud]

I am going in and reporting

[cold cloud]

u are right (or wrong ) she CAN stun noah 2RL!!!!!!!!!!!!

but I win because biscuit burst for her and kill shits around

SPVP team 1

[wheat island]

can you show a video?

[cold cloud]

no

[echo herald]

Dem your Asuka sucks

Phased out by a supporter

[pulsar bough]

@lavish fox

[lavish fox]

Oh I had to click on the server to be pinged

[pulsar bough]

Seems like

[lavish fox]

For Kraken it doesn't surprise me, but is she as reliable as SSRapi when not wind weak

[tame charm]

that's irrelevant as I'm surprised that b1 support dealt as much as the current best b3 dps

if you're not surprised by that you're something something

[lavish fox]

Well in a wind weak boss I suppose it is to be expected

[tame charm]

no it isn't

you're saying liter is expected to be at the same level of rh in iron weak boss

[grave remnant]

she's doro but done right

[wheat island]

she's not dealing as much damage as sbs unless you invested more into siren than sbs which some people do especially for these showcases

i remember when people were going gaga over ele% crown those were funny times

[drowsy dagger]

if we still got iron sr's he ele% crown would be huge

but yk iron sr's are a myth now

[exotic hawk]

I put a lot of rolls/resources (sr15) into crown.. probably will upgrade siren weapon from 10 to 15 after mihara too.. these units are used way more then your average b3 attacker.. who "technically" benefit more.. but in reality don't get used even half as much

[rancid dome]

how is liter the comparison there when ur comparing like 14% atk dmg up 5% dmg taken up to 80% atk up and no self dmg skills(the buff has to carry liter), rapi b1 is a much better comparison

would a rapi b1 with 4 ele rolls compare to a top dps with low ele? most likely

[exotic hawk]

Pretty sure both.. Siren/Rapi can match/beat your average b3 (ein/xlud etc) when both units are on neutral

[rancid dome]

i mean thats why rapi is a better comparison

because liter lives on buffs, rapi lives on self dps + minor buffs which is similar to siren

so looking at liter's personal dmg is completely useless

[drowsy dagger]

can confirm siren is better than scuffed b3

[visual cedar]

the problem I have with siren is that I get to 7 with rapi and only need to care about qte

without rapi you need to care about missiles

[vast carbon]

Yes rapi is better for auto kraken

[visual cedar]

and since past 7 there's no extra reward

[vast carbon]

Auto clears will always be bstter

Ultra and mirror probably can't be autoed because of the early team kill qte

Maybe if you can tank the ultra small qtes but I haven't seen anyone do that

[visual cedar]

havent farmed anything else tbh in a whle

I have like enough currency for 20 conversions

[royal gazelle]

I actually have a full auto Mirror Container build using Noah for that QTE

Pretty sure it can't be viable==ly replicated due to the very specific burst timing required tho

Ultra has billions of QTEs + poison, so definitely never gonna be an auto fight

[wheat island]

this makes noah the best og pilgrim

perhaps the best pvp nikke in the game

and used vs kraken

[mossy pebble]

liter does better than siren for ultra

[uncut blade]

My AsukaW's investment is supposed to be bette

[uneven fulcrum]

why is helm an inclusion in this comp

[soft ocean]

Got blue atk slot

[drowsy dagger]

helmt procs crown gives decent buffs and insane burst gain

[oblique prairie]

Not surprising considering unlike Siren, Liter repairs the covers for Ultra.

I think Ultra will be the only AI boss Siren doesn't do well in.

[drowsy dagger]

does rrh beat liter on nt

if so siren does too

[oblique prairie]

She can't repair covers, which is the only niche Liter has for Ultra.

Unless you plan on using Tia for Ultra to go along with Siren. That's the only thing I can think of.

[mossy pebble]

I didn't need to cover

my crown shields are timed to blocked the slams

siren just doesn't do enough dmg to make up for lack of buffing there

[oblique prairie]

...YEAH I'd like to remind you that I don't have Crown.

It's like you're playing a completely different game compared to me.

[drowsy dagger]

crownless

[spare crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/wuthering-waves-crownless-gif-3227231781678735733

[oblique prairie]

Fuck off, I didn't play during Last Kingdom.

[spare crescent]

Simply just pull from normal pool

[daring berry]

So pull or nah?

[spare crescent]

Shes one of the best 2.5 anni units atm

[daring berry]

Is she gonna replace someone on a general team or one of the specialized teams?

[lapis gulch]

generally she replaces liter

[oblique prairie]

YEAH easier said than done.

You try pulling a specific Pilgrim with a less than 1% chance of fucking dropping.

[drowsy dagger]

its all rng

like how I got an mlb isabel before I hit any doros or scars

[oblique prairie]

Yeah and it's absolutely painful lacking her. People that have her are playing a completely different game because of how busted she is as a B2 Nikke.

[mellow flicker]

skill issue im afraid

[muted turret]

[oblique prairie]

Is there one for luck issue?

[drowsy dagger]

this ?

[oblique prairie]

I got lucky with Siren (and getting 2 Pilgrim rolls), but I can't get my hands on CROWN.

[oblique prairie]

Probably not. Though the only thing I spend on is the two 30 day packs.

[dawn star]

MatH in UR xD

[drowsy dagger]

how poor is your sbs

[dawn star]

MLB
10/7/10

[drowsy dagger]

not that poor but low ele kinda explains it

[dawn star]

I can roll 3 first line into 1 EDD 1 CS 1 ATK, but to mutch to do ...

[drowsy dagger]

doesn't she just need 1 ammo line

[winged sundial]

How is mermaid 🧜‍♀️

[brave silo]

but i started when Rouge was around and got Grave just 1 month later and i just got Crown 3 days ago
Grave is amazing, what's the difference between Grave and Crown?

i just started using Crown instead of Grave except in main story because of CP

[dawn star]

Cute

MLB
Bond 38
10/10/10
(She is not in Blabla so ... screentime)

[winged sundial]

no gacha skin = mid ol
gacha skin = god ol

[unborn blade]

I need more ED lines

My luck really bad, only get one rock
Clearing Black Snake is not today i guess

[oblique prairie]

I need gear for Siren. But the furnace did give me an arm for her, therefore avoiding Mirror Container.

[obsidian radish]

with helm in this team, do you play Helm manually like you would Alice, spamming shots, to generate much more burst compared to auto? Or how else would you play this team?

[drowsy dagger]

helm with treasure gives a good chunk of burst gauge

thats lvl7, its more on 10 too

this at lvl10

oh no

I wonder if she helps on 24-34

[strange knoll]

siren damage on material h

[dawn star]

40 stones

and 90 stones ...

[brave silo]

Siren died in the last 20 seconds

[dawn star]

Helm with treasure is a Full Charge Nikke, if you Fast shoot that a loss ..

[sand summit]

is this legal?

[acoustic aspen]

on 2 MG, Siren will deal 66% of Rapi B1 dmg
on 3 MG, make this 85%
so 4 MG + 1 SMG Siren will be better than Rapi B1 lul

therefore, Crown Siren Rapi Mihara Modernia

[rapid badger]

Where heal

[dim dove]

emma instead of modernia

[willow locust]

I don't think 20% of RapiRH B1 damage is worth putting Crown with Siren this raid

I still think overall it'll be better off to do something like:

Siren/not-Crown/ReiA/Mihara/Modernia

Where Siren's 33% ammo refund (basically half her burst) will actually be significant

And then can put Crown on another team (RapiRH, Asuka, AsukaW, etc)

It'd be nice if there was a good 20s B2 who both healed&buffed and didn't need a duo like Blanc & Naga do

But yeah healing is another reason Siren + Crown + 3MG might not work this raid

[acoustic aspen]

yeah, my point is, don't chase Siren's dmg

it's quite meh

her offensive buff is okay, 20% dmg up totally

Rapi B1 with meme 8% attack damage and 18% ATK

[frail maple]

just get ele on Siren is enough

chasing for more is just not worth

[mossy pebble]

I'm more chasing for lines at this point for cp stacking, trying to avoid 1 liners

[little saffron]

Siren full OL, 1 copy, max skills, no doll

[lapis gulch]

ele%?

[little saffron]

4 lines

3 lines of ATK

One blue xD

[fiery sandal]

I think worse than Rapi B1 in many cases. The upside is we now have two, possibly three, high personal damage B1 supports by element (Dorothy's still around for some Water)

But worse is relative. Siren rocks big time

Anomaly Harvester? Killed with Siren B1. Wouldn't with Rapi B1

Ironically, I used Rapi B3 in that kill

[mossy pebble]

a lot of siren's value is in... letting the better unit (rapipi) do her other role, siren is just... rapipi enabler

not up to par of a pilgrim banner unit, but that's just my opinion

[fiery sandal]

Crown is an anomaly

We used to get sane Pilgrims like Modernia and Dorothy

Siren seems to be of that family of sane Pilgrims

[mossy pebble]

to come right after an anomaly while being same time of year from the previous anomaly definitely didn't help her image

[dim dove]

modernia wasn’t sane when she’s released

[frail maple]

Modernia was league above anything else when she released

[winged sundial]

Instantly benched the electric pilgrim girl into oblivion

[willow locust]

Don't forget Siren's 33% ammo refund

In Interception it's less relevant because we always run Crown B2, but in e.g. Soloraid it can free characters like the new Mihara from Crown's vice-like grip

[frail maple]

Siren is b1, that already give her better longevity

b3 dps is always on the chopping block for powercreep

[minor willow]

With mihara os dropping soon, Siren not worth getting if you already have a good mg comp crown/Wasucka/Rei. She's just a less capable Rapi B1

[willow locust]

Siren is gonna be in every soloraid for at least a year lol

[minor willow]

I was expecting she performed better since she's a dedicated pilgrim support here, not getting on par but worse than a primary attacker is... Uh embarrassing

[willow locust]

She's almost as good as RapiRH for offensive buffs & personal damage, and she brings burst gen & ammo refund lol

[fiery sandal]

Hang on though

[winged sundial]

Siren worth more, she does stuff. The type of nikke like os mihara is just like cindy, sbs (more like cindy), just a big number hitter and nothing really special or interesting mechanics

[fiery sandal]

Siren still stuns enemies, has anyone given that a try in campaign?

[steel ridge]

personally I think she is top4 if not top3 in b1 right now due to her CDR and kit (ammo and burst gen for MG)

[minor willow]

Ammo refund is not even a problem tho? we can already get ammo line on gears that's already a must Burst gen probably fine but her personal damages is nothing burger

[fiery sandal]

For raids we pretty much know she's awesome, it's another strong B1 that powercreeps Volume by far for vs Wind-weak

[winged sundial]

Snake said she is a menace in campaign
Her free focus fire ease out alot with stage where enemies like seahores shoot u instantly, she minimize it a bit.
Heard she can only stun gas guy only 1 time but that should be good enough

Im wondering about the ball stages where she shine the most being on element also

[frail maple]

sbs is still needed for volleyball

[willow locust]

That ammo refund is what let's e.g. Mihara Overspec hit full stacks without Crown or Privaty

[mossy pebble]

Her dots trigger the balls asap apparently

[vast carbon]

siren lets you run b3 rapi so you can just aoe clear full screens with her and sbs

[minor willow]

Blew through 90 ticket and 83k gems to get her lol, kinda stuck with customer regret here, should have saved for mihara instead

[willow locust]

And to be clear, that needs 3 max ammo + Siren + Bastion, to hit full stacks on Mihara

[fiery sandal]

You should be okay. That's enough gold mileage for new Mihara, no?

Safe!

[winged sundial]

Yeah u would be crazy not bring bis, but when the stage beginning, consider u not a veteran spamming burst and control siren, now that helps alot

[vast carbon]

tank meta

[winged sundial]

A full burst focus right at the gate

[vast carbon]

we need more units that let you tank the balls

[little saffron]

I loves the way siren shoots thing, she makes a finger gun and begins to blast enemies like a water spray gun.

[minor willow]

Yeah but I've been using mileage exclusively for Collabs since they're non returning, not having enough dupes once mean likely not ever got a chance to get theme again

[little saffron]

Silly little mermaid.

[fiery sandal]

Rough timing with Stellar Blade coming

[willow locust]

Siren is more useful overall tbh

Mihara is a top tier fire DPS. For Campaign/Soloraid we already have Asuka/ReiA/RapiRH/Alice as B3 options.

And so unless you're focusing on fire soloraids specifically, you could easily get away with skipping Mihara.

Siren meanwhile will have some boss fights where she is the #1 option in campaign/interception, such as any wind boss.

[winged sundial]

U need some problems to keep game spicy, we conplained about the gas guy for so long, they sold bunch of solutions, we just on to next

[steel ridge]

farters feels like so easy compared to fighting balls without sbs/distributed damage. I stumble really hard when they show up on Tetra tower

[vast carbon]

anis overspec is going to have a putrid stench aura that multiplies the first instance of damage all enemies take by 10000%

[winged sundial]

Tetra savior right there

[vast carbon]

actually that would be pretty funny if people tried to abuse that

[winged sundial]

That tower is now falling behind other despite leading early

[vast carbon]

pick elegg, mash cover before anyone shoots and smash scarlet burst

ten billion damage

[winged sundial]

Never happen, too far from what we have now, there is powercreep but its so lowkey and slowly

[vast carbon]

[proud crypt]

1 ammo is optional or must have?

[pulsar bough]

Dmg to mat h

Siren is insane

Sbs 101% elem, 47% atk.
Siren 99% elem, 42% atk

[wheat island]

it's funny that asukaw doesn't keep up even though in this is the 60fps fix patch

[grave remnant]

look at the cp diff

[wheat island]

the investment diff is clear but it's always been the case that sbs deals more dmg than asukaw

[pulsar bough]

My AsukaW has 0 atk, 1-2x ammo? 3x elem

So ye ofc not as big as other 2

[vast carbon]

now use alice/mana to buff sbs

actually just alice because you have helm

[pulsar bough]

Siren dmg will drop due to less mg

My Alice tap shoot sucks bit last time

And i skipped Mana

[vast carbon]

just tapfire alice 60 times per second

[pulsar bough]

🤣

[cold cloud]

sorry what level of OL and doll for siren

wish they add it

in pin

[wheat island]

s1 10 because you want max cdr
s2 10 for her personal damage (can be lower if you're not interested in this part of her kit)
s3 7 it is not that impactful but if you have the mats for it then you can go to 10 because it's still a team wide buff

[rain drum]

[cold cloud]

OL lvl not skill lvl, skill lvl are suggested progress alr

[wheat island]

oh ol?

[cold cloud]

I think its 5/5/5/0, doll SR lv5

yeah

[wheat island]

max atk

[winged sundial]

u can opt for
lv3-5 helmet
lv3 chest+arm
lv0 boot
economically
SRlv5

[wheat island]

5/3/3/0

i hope we can increase doll levels soon with increased exp gain

[cold cloud]

ok, thx can u pin it for whoever

[winged sundial]

@toxic elbow can u adjust your pin to whatever number u see fit to add this info

tks

[cold cloud]

uh do u wind asuka 10/10/10?

[winged sundial]

yea she want 10/10/10, she is second dps in wind focus team, she will deal damage
if u see those asuka above deal less damage than siren, its just the crown-helmT, the common wind comp is with the maids where siren will deal 50% of what asuka/sbs do

[solid ingot]

Mat-H UR Siren

wdf

[winged sundial]

same boss, different dps distribution

[solid ingot]

diff team too

Siren got buffed by Crown every turn

[winged sundial]

yes but would u run that in UR?

thats alot of good stuff into one team

would leave the maids lonely

[solid ingot]

slack Union

[winged sundial]

ahh

[solid ingot]

I'm in 3% union lol

just full send and done

[fierce wren]

@warped briar

[winged sundial]

[fierce wren]

@warped briar

[vast carbon]

i keep getting ammo on my siren

fuck it 3 ammo 3 ele 3 atk is good enough

[mortal flame]

good enough? around 80 rocks

[tame charm]

siren is still stonk against water weak nihil

[muted turret]

It is very good, values of that chest is avg tho

[mortal flame]

yeah I already tried rerolling it, got lucky with the roll and this was the best I could get

[mortal flame]

I will save rocks for minthara for now and then go back to siren

[vast carbon]

more MG

i could probably run xlud instead of thelm for the meme but it's probably not worth because no crown heals

[pulsar bough]

Maybe Mana instead of tHelm?

Also sort of MG, heals

[vast carbon]

lol

willy can barely keep up with neutral rapi 💀

ok this time rapi didn't die

asukacoin in freefall

incredible

crazy burst gen

on a MG team

[onyx nest]

What tier is midmaid?

[wheat island]

side grade to sss tiers

[vast carbon]

How much ammo does rapi need to go infinite off siren's ammo refill?

[acoustic aspen]

[vast carbon]

clearly you need more MG

[solid ingot]

OL issue

[quartz field]

Whats the kraken setup for little mermaid when you dont have Asuka wille? Crown, lil mermaid, sbs, helm and whos the last person?

[wheat island]

alice or mana

you still want sbs to be buffed up if you can't catch the slack because asukaw is missing

[brave silo]

i'm using Red Rapi instead of AsukaW

this is with Siren

this is without Siren, using Rapi as B1 and AsukaW

[quartz field]

Alright, thanks!

[wheat island]

that looks like a 0 ele% team

[chrome sonnet]

free stage 9 with siren, unreal https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230299568063647784/1365079041933312110/image.png?ex=680dfaad&is=680ca92d&hm=c9624b80dee8f7a5dcc04d479bb1cd78e0394f06db2f86325c28f7168cd450f0&

[vast carbon]

Intense Siren gameplay.

do nothing
half of my best dps

[obsidian radish]

in this Siren team with Rapi/SBS and Helm as B3s, is it ok if Helm Treasure is only phase2? Her gigantic burst generation is already available at phase2 right?

[chrome sonnet]

yup that's fine

[royal gazelle]

Phase 3 is only to increase DPS when needing to burst with Helm for healing (used in auto builds)

[brave silo]

yes, no elemental on SBS or Siren, i'm still rerolling other NIKKE's OL
i have 4 OL on SBS and no OL on Siren
i don't know if i'll do OL on Crown or Siren next

at least i have 13 rocks available

[cold robin]

I mean, Kraken is the one with the lowers HP thresholds, 3.02 Billions HP to Stage 7 rewards

the closest one after that is Harvester (3.28 Billions HP)

[vast carbon]

Kraken also has permanent core

[toxic elbow]

Ok

[full lynx]

do we have reviews or a summary about the current favorite items? i saw it somewhere but i can't find it

oh wait i thought this was question center mb

[rugged valve]

Me too buddy. They just have to release favorite item privaty or new strong character that reduces max ammo

[wanton void]

god damn I can almost kill kraken on phone

and that was before this upgrade

ill send blabla stats later

[muted turret]

Only 1.1 bil short

[wanton void]

gonna try a run on pc later if possible

will be a while tho since im gonna be on a plane

[frosty mulch]

cleared lol

[brave silo]

just 3 rocks give me this amazing gear

i highly recommend pulling on Siren, she's makes your whole team deal more damage against Kraken.
more damage = more rocks to reroll gear and make your characters strong faster

[mossy pebble]

that's assuming you couldn't stage 7 without her to begin with

[tame charm]

bro doesn't even aware he sacced hard af and telling others to pull someone who's irrelevant from being lucky

[vast carbon]

Siren ate like 50 rocks

Brutal

Hopefully mihara doesn't take as many because I only have like 100 left

[willow locust]

Like any MG, if you're willing to commit to running Mihara with Crown, she should just want Ele & ATK

If you want her to be more flexible, 3 max ammo lines are necessary for reliably getting all her stacks up (and that's with Siren/Noir/Balice!)

Privaty needs Mihara to have 100 Max Ammo I think

So 33% (one line)

[acoustic aspen]

Helm with 91% ele matches Rapi

[spare crescent]

Have you tried with 92% ele?

[mossy pebble]

...

lil mermaid's dot makes it really fcking difficult to leave 1 enemy alive

finally managed it, dude lived on sliver

let me use rapipi b3 to kill this fire-weak stage I was stuck on with my shitty alice

what did siren do here?..... free up rapipi and make 1 mob stall harder than it had to be

I can't wait for the next meta b1 pilgrim to basically powercreep siren almost completely except in wind-ele, bc it's very easy to do

gotta say, rapipi b3 is hella stronk at 39% deficit

my new fire comp setup since my alice is dogshit compared to rapipi

[vast carbon]

whats red hood doing there

[mossy pebble]

This for campaign

[wanton void]

how much ammo on mg for infinite fire again

like 350%?

[dim dove]

for what purpose?

depend on the team?

siren alone can’t keep up mg ammo
assuming 12.5s burst cycle. that means your mg will be shooting 750 ammo.
siren’s ammo refill being 33% means your MG would need to have 2300 ammo to offset the 750 ammo used

you’d need diesel/noir help

[mortal flame]

first kraken kill on phone, thx siren

[silk pebble]

I think you're forgetting Bastion. Bastion lowers the ammo lost per second to about 42. At 12.5 second bursts, you need about 1400 ammo for 3 minutes worth of "infinite", or about 1600 for true infinite.

[vast carbon]

it's easy to go infinite for wasuka but idk about other MG

who else has self reload?

xludmila?

uhhhh how much do you need with siren's and ludmila's ammo refunds

[little saffron]

See, Siren is not as shit as people think

She doesn't need buff

[floral vine]

she's shit buffing that was our copium xd

I said since the start that I personally didn't want another rapiHb1

but it's ok

nothing gonna change

[spare crescent]

Where true dmg? @mighty kraken

[winged sundial]

Hence why nikkegg in pin but not the other

[daring haven]

How the heck is that siren outperforms wasuka every time xd

One is a "support" the other a DPS

I know is conditional to mg teams, but this is worse than rapi

[brave silo]

when AsukaW got outclassed by Red Rapi B3 on Kraken

[chrome sonnet]

bad AsukaW?

[daring haven]

Really?

I thought her only use was kraken and wind raids

[floral vine]

Bad wasuka

[vast carbon]

My rapi outperforms wasuka

[wanton void]

icic

was just curious

i can say that my rapi with 239.67% max ammo OL with max doll is JUST short of reloading at 1:30 in the shooting range

so if we dont count bosses jumping if she has like 250-260% ammo she’d only need to reload once per battle with siren and bastion

siren OLs after like 45-50ish rocks

how important is getting a max ammo

[winged sundial]

people with ammo would die for this

[spare crescent]

her smg already have high ammo uptime
like 89% of the battle she is shooting with a 1s reload time

[acoustic aspen]

well if your Mermaid can clap Asuka, and match SBS, I think you should fix your SBS and Asuka, not looking at Siren

with 3 MG she can only chase B1 Rapi and still lose by a big margin

[vast carbon]

Siren doesn't need ammo because like half of her damage is entirely AFK

ammo is always nice but i'd rather have ele/atk

[acoustic aspen]

61% of her dmg

[vast carbon]

i'm crying

bricked

not even 80% 🚮

i need new SHOE

[wanton void]

she does half of my sbs with 1 mg in the team

my sbs is like 20% less ele and 10% less attack

[acoustic aspen]

half is normal

same is not

[wanton void]

im gonna test later how she does against my rapi b1

cause my rapi is cracked af

[acoustic aspen]

on neutral, I don't call that cracked

with moderate ATK like this (max ATK is around 50%), my Rapi can match Helm 91% ele on Water weak

[wanton void]

my ammo% with those numbers tho😭

but yeah i still need to roll one more attack

its so shit cause its a 3rd line tho

[acoustic aspen]

anyway

halt all rocks spending for now

we are preparing for Mihara

[wanton void]

aight

that was my plan

just was wondering how much of a brick base ammo was

im assuming always res with base right

[frail maple]

8 rocks Siren btw

[spare crescent]

Nice

[vast carbon]

Holy

300 rocks looking ass

Do people actually go for perfect rolls

I just get like 3 ele with some ammo and I'm happy

20-30% attack from rolls isn't as impactful with every team giving like +150% attack from supports and the unit itself if it's a b3 and then some attack share from crown or whatever

[mossy pebble]

final multipliers my ass

only dmg taken is a final multiplier (in 95% of cases)

atk dmg is very very diluted on most teams at this point

it's no better than atk% (ok it's still better due to a lot of the dps we're using still buffing their atk, but it's far from final multiplier especially when crown and helmt come into play, some more recent units got it built in into their kit too)

[acoustic aspen]

beside Crown Helm

[mossy pebble]

ok, mari

grave

[acoustic aspen]

other buffers give normal rate bro

[willow locust]

As far as Kraken goes, it's possibly worth noting that Asuka with ReiT can destroy the projectiles during her burst

[acoustic aspen]

around 35 40%

I don't think you can call that "dilute"

since if we roll with that way

1% is also diluting

for Crown and Helm it's around 87%

that's massive af

put it on El Macho

110% ATK 15% attack damage

[mossy pebble]

it's just not as undiluted as it used to be, ppl need to stop treating it like it is

[acoustic aspen]

doesn't seem so bad anymore

still, her attack damage is whatever

hence I recommend 10/7~10/4

it's like D:KW

oh, you can actually reset her too

only her CDR is welcome

other buffs just exist

[mossy pebble]

the only upside really to her having atk dmg, is that if she had atk%, that would almost guarantee scale off her stats, which means dupes more needed

[acoustic aspen]

except her own dmg is okay, not great tier

so there's no way I will spend 50 rocks to fish ATK Ele on her

15 rocks for some ele sure

[mossy pebble]

I... I've spent a good amount

results not too good

45% ele, 20% atk, like 90% ammo

I just mainly wanna cp pad while getting 1 more ele

[acoustic aspen]

can stop now. She's mid tier DPS if we force her to be DPS

[willow locust]

I mean also depends on your account focus

I'm mainly trying on wind + fire soloraids

So I'll throw rocks at Siren after I'm done with Mihara

[acoustic aspen]

[mossy pebble]

how many more days til mihara

[acoustic aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-star-trek-tos-no-effect-rock-throw-gif-16987736

3

thursday for me

[mossy pebble]

I'll high invest mihara if she's like cindy/rapipi tier, otherwise prob a few ele, atk, ammo and that's it really

[acoustic aspen]

wed on some regions

[mossy pebble]

treat her like a quency

[acoustic aspen]

Match Rapi on my book

[mossy pebble]

she'll have to be used as a staple in neutral basically

match rapipi means basically competing for best bossing dps in the game

[acoustic aspen]

scale better than Rapi too

because she has no ATK buff

while Rapi has innate 95%

both will perform eggcellent on Crown Helm because they have no Attack Damage buff

oh nvm, the s2 buff of Rapi is treated as Attack Damage

Mihara isn't. It belongs to Damage Taken

so yeah, Mihara will scale better than Rapipi in many ways, except core shot I guess

[mossy pebble]

so she's gonna be basically best neutral dps in the game?

[spare crescent]

Sus dmg?

Isnt that atk dmg?

[mossy pebble]

I'm holding off on max doll and mlb siren, bc I'm waiting for mihara performance

I suppose I'll start stocking up on rocks too

[lapis gulch]

sus dmg should be with atk dmg

[acoustic aspen]

Mihara DoT dmg during her burst: 15000%
Normal Attack: 3342%

Mihara DoT during other burst: 7500%
Normal Attack 3342%

Rapipi S2 dmg during her burst: 13232%
Normal Attack: 6517%

Rapipi S2 dmg during other burst: 2491.32%
Normal Attack: 3342%

Sus dmg is Dmg Taken

did people skip our Bready review

or Rosie

or Elegg

Sus dmg is always dmg taken group

[lapis gulch]

i thought thats dist dmg

[acoustic aspen]

wait

looks like I trip

[mossy pebble]

how much is mihara's dmg reduced by if there's let's say 10 targets

is the dps per target like halved? each enemy effectively losing 9 stacks

or is it more like 1/10th

[acoustic aspen]

her DoT will be very lame on 10 targets

total dps unchanged

each takes a tickle of dmg sadly

[hexed wedge]

So....................................................

In numbers is mihara better than rapipi?

whats brewing.

im very dumb im sorry

[hexed wedge]

i got the short end of skipping her regretting it after seeinng she was top dps in one of the IA

[wanton void]

god damn how many rocks

mine was like 80-100

[frosty mulch]

welp it gets the job done lol Kraken killed

[wanton void]

i wonder if I try this but scalter and rapi b3

[vast carbon]

It'll do stage 7 at least

I wonder how good it is to run sbs over wasuka without Alice/mana just for her gorilla power

[acoustic aspen]

good enough

Wasuka will give SBS some compensation

[fiery sandal]

BS Scarlet benched

Long live the MG meta!
(kidding)

Cool that Siren and WAsuka are all you need if you somehow still don't have or like BS Scarlet

[vast carbon]

Is neutral rapi worth it over SBS on wind just because she buffs siren?

[fiery sandal]

No

Rapi + Siren is objectively worse damage output than BS Scarlet + Siren.

Because BS Scarlet just kicks that much ass, easily.

If the Anomaly Kraken kill with Rapi Hood had you wondering, that was an inefficient kill just because I wanted to try

In Union Raid, someone might chew you out if they care about maxing dmg hehe

[exotic hawk]

Xlud and Auska debuff stacks right? i never used them in the same team

[floral vine]

Read people happy because their siren is outperforming wasuka is ehhh? Are you happy cuz you're bricked? Idk

Or maybe there are people thinking that Siren can really outperform wasuka

[wheat island]

many players were salty at eva collab and then got saltier when eva characters were good

then eva2 happened

[pulsar bough]

I think Siren really can outperform AsukaW. But can't say 100% certain cuz my AsukaW is not lot invested yet

[floral vine]

in same conditions she can't dude, if yours can you should check your wasuka stats

This reminds me people saying that rapiHb1 outperform Alice

[pulsar bough]

Ye i know my AsukaW is not that well invested yet. But still if Siren is close to SBS

Im starting to guess

[floral vine]

Siren is half of sbs

Omg

Time to leave

[floral vine]

[pulsar bough]

See this @floral vine sbs 101%, 47% atk. Siren 99% elem, 42% atk

Ofc if mana or Alice is there sbs goes higher dif will be much larger

[floral vine]

interesting

[wheat island]

rest all the same investment?

10/10/10 gear 5 sr15 etc

[pulsar bough]

Yep

[floral vine]

Link blabla

[pulsar bough]

I dont use social media

[floral vine]

[willow locust]

Your AsukaW is fucked lol

Are you not taking resilience on her so she has to windup or something??

No elemental lines?

[pulsar bough]

Mine?

Lower elem and barely atk

[willow locust]

Yeah

[pulsar bough]

Around 70% elem, 8% atk

[willow locust]

Frankly it still feels low for 70% Elemental

[pulsar bough]

And no dupes 🤣

[willow locust]

Ahhhhhhh

And SBS & Siren have dupes?

[pulsar bough]

Both core 7

[willow locust]

Hahahahahahahaha

No wonder

[pulsar bough]

XD

Indeed

[muted turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352343981559644190/1365302328516939806/image.png?ex=68101c21&is=680ecaa1&hm=1a655287f29c6491c94768b661b39fb264f6e58d0787927390ae15654528e519&

Agains mat h wind weak UR boss

24 ele 30 atk siren

Dont build team around siren..

Build team around top dpsers

[fiery sandal]

Siren doesn’t need a dedicated team for her anyway

She works in any team. If tons of MGs/SMGs, she provides burst gen and more personal damage.

If not that many bullets flying, she’s still good. Just that maybe other B1s can beat her in that comp. With exception of Wind-weak.

And the comp needs to provide burst gen because with lack of bullets, Siren can’t be reliable at it.

[muted turret]

I heard ppl going building team around her with 3-4 mg units ...

[fiery sandal]

Siren literally needs 3 MGs to become primary burst gen provider (in addition to each unit’s burst gen and her own)

At 2 it becomes actually too late and you have to bring in somebody to push the gen along

[muted turret]

If u have a lot MGs and need burst gen grave also works

[fiery sandal]

Sorry I was off by 1. Fixed.

180 bullets + Siren’s 20 = 200 = 400 in 2 seconds = procs burst gen from Siren

Caps to 4 seconds interval between bursts basically, if one proc plus everyone shooting weren’t enough (I’m not counting reload mishaps)

[wanton void]

i already hit stage 7 at 361+ with scalter only before siren

[vast carbon]

Does windup pause when she's debuffed?

Like if you give wasuka instant reload does she shoot at full speed after forced reload or what?

[willow locust]

Windup triggers when a MG doesn't fire for a set period of time

~70% reload speed is enough to reload without triggering it.

Because AsukaW's forced reload ignores reload speed buffs it can't be dodged until we get a Nikke who gives allies ammo refund on something we can control E.g. firing a full charge shot the moment Asuka clears her ammo

But unless you're running 4 max ammo lines she's inevitably going to also reload at some other point, which if it triggers windup / is during a full burst, really hurts her damage

[vast carbon]

I think you can go infinite with asuka and siren ammo refills combined with bastion because you just need to to fire for 2 full bursts until the forced reload

And you get two 40 something percent refills along the way

25 or so seconds of shooting is 1500 bullets but realistically it's much less because you spend basically the entire first off burst winding up

[daring haven]

Guys I'm curious, for mg at least, is there a way to get infinite ammo from siren's refill? Or that's still something only SBS can do?

[wheat island]

people calculated 1400 ammo? i don't know the exact answer

[daring haven]

Oh

That's, a lot of ammo lines xd

So, basically you would need like 4 black lines uh?

A 400% boost, 1,500 ammo, al maybe not 4 blacks but similar

[acoustic aspen]

Formula is in siren review

[willow locust]

I did some napkin math and 3 good ammo lines or 4 mediocre ones (200%+) should be enough to ensure you never run out of ammo during full burst

If you want an easier breakpoint to aim for than true infinite ammo

Oh wait no

That was just to ensure Mihara could fire 400 bullets before running out of ammo

Not to ensure lasting 10 seconds

[cold robin]

assuming

1. 60 Bullets per second
2. Bastion Cube (3 refill per every 10 bullets fired)
3. 3 seconds to charge and trigger BI (Siren) (33.26% Recharge)
4. 1 Second to trigger BII and BII
5. 10 Seconds BS Concentrated Fire
6. 1 extra second Margin of Error

[daring haven]

???

[cold robin]

1000 Bullets, you ran out of bullet after 44 Seconds
1100 Bullets : 56 Seconds
1200 Bullets: 1 Minute, 11 Seconds
1300 Bullets: 1 Minutes, 27 Seconds
1400 Bullets: 1 Minute, 45 Seconds

[daring haven]

Oh, ok

[vast carbon]

1000 bullets is way more than what wasuka needs because of her forced reload

so if she's your wind MG you can totally go infinite

ish

reiT pullers in shambles

[cold robin]

unless im doing something wrong, about 1400 bullets and Siren with give you infinte MG ammo, Assuming perfect scenario (tho I cant take into account the massive BG charge from Siren too)

[dim dove]

well tbh mihara would only need 1200 ammo (only LOL) for her best s1 stacking when it's not her turn bursting
400 ammo needed. 33% refill = 1200 ammo

[spare crescent]

Only like 840 if you use bastion

[plucky jasper]

not a problem if you 12/12 mihara like you should

[wheat island]

she's not going to shoot more than a few dozen bullets before she should in pvp

[willow locust]

Which is only +190% ish, which is actually doable OL wise

60 from three max ammo lines, and 10 from her MG doll

[wanton void]

my rapi with just over 1k ammo reloads around 1:20

i can test again

[wanton void]

max ammo is 85%

oh wait I read it wrong

ignore

[wanton void]

it was like a min

[winged sundial]

This girl has no off element damage

[hexed wedge]

siren small rh?

able to do high damage in ani element?

[floral vine]

try indivilia

[daring haven]

Hey so, how good works siren for kraken if my windsuka has no ammo lines?

Idk if go for windsuka ammo lines first, or siren's ele lines

[winged sundial]

10-20% of rapi b3 damage

[floral vine]

at least she resist not like liter

[soft ocean]

Forgot to share yesterday, but I got this 1st try for siren

And this from today and with just 1 reroll, got ammo on 3rd slot

[twin meteor]

22 people skipping siren

22 people bricking their account

[daring haven]

Bricking? You can always get her on standard banner

Like, crown

Yeah, you can definitely get crown from standard banner 🥲

[twin meteor]

Yeah definitely….

[hexed wedge]

does more dmg than windsuka if she has no ols. that is hapenning to me

[floral vine]

in 5000 pulls since Crown's banner I only pulled 1 copy of crown lol

5000-5500 pulls approx

So yeah, don't brick your account guys

[twin meteor]

just get one copy @ the 22 guys

you only need one siren copy anyway really

[brave silo]

these people surely spent all their pulls on Bready, right?

[twin meteor]

what a waste

Fat girl who already is obsolete vs ultra hyper meta pilgrim b1

[brave silo]

same thing happened exactly 1 year ago
they just Released Elegg around the same time of Bready and just a little later they released Crown

everyone pulled for Elegg and some didn't get Crown

[twin meteor]

it's almost like gacha games are designed to bait you out of your pulls so you spend big bucks on the big ticket

[drowsy dagger]

23 ppl who got baited by the "Disappointed at Little Mermid Kit" thread on the maincord

[twin meteor]

22, one is just the person who made the emotes for voting

[drowsy dagger]

right 22

[twin meteor]

but yeah they're in the same league if not a little better than people who skipped crown

probably the same people

[drowsy dagger]

same ppl who voted skip on dkw

[twin meteor]

sixteen crown skippers

[brave silo]

they just love to release a bait banner before a pilgrim/anniversary/limited
a sexy and hot nikke with bad or mediocre skills just before a meta defining Nikke

[daring haven]

I wish I was around for the crown banner , she's really the only thing in missing knmy account

[drowsy dagger]

marciana before rh

[twin meteor]

crown might be the most meta defining nikke in the game tbh

[brave silo]

exactly

[daring haven]

I have all except the one that matters the most 😦

[brave silo]

Mast before Summer Anis

[twin meteor]

what I don't get is how do people not just stop at one copy

[brave silo]

Rumani before Cinderella

[twin meteor]

they have to MLB bready or elegg or some shit

it's obviously bait, and they aren't even that good

c7 bready = 22 siren missers

[brave silo]

Elegg situation was even worse because it was just before a collab, D Killer Wife and Crown

[daring haven]

Well, in my case with alter rei I got a double copy and my gambling addiction told me to get the other 2 to not leave the stars looking odd xd

[twin meteor]

gamba is dangerous

just save for nikke 2

[drowsy dagger]

what I don't understand is "don't pull for this banner save for anni/collab/until your deathbed

[daring haven]

I actually got the 2 extra copies, and the millage was enough to just pity siren and mihara now, but I doubt I'll do the same again

[drowsy dagger]

you have to skip 1% and spark it

whenever you can

[brave silo]

and not only that but Elegg was dead on day 1 since she's completely outclassed by Naga

[twin meteor]

the real danger lies in getting "one more 10 pull"ed on a shit banner

[drowsy dagger]

eleg had its uses for 3-4 raids

[daring haven]

I also pulled for mana, maids and almost pulled for bready : p

[twin meteor]

95% of people will roll beyond what's optimal

I had to skip maids, bready, and crust

[daring haven]

It's just addictive

[twin meteor]

and then I stopped on my first copy of siren

[drowsy dagger]

I have all 4 and mana but I missed trina

[daring haven]

I was planning on mlb rapi next new year but now I don't know

[drowsy dagger]

tbh crust came from a mold

but still

[daring haven]

Trina is not that good really, she's just scarlet support

[twin meteor]

trina is scarlet's treasure item

[daring haven]

Like, even maids can work with most units

[drowsy dagger]

I'm scarless thats why I skipped

[daring haven]

Distributed damage or not

[drowsy dagger]

no lie the usual banner is so safe

you get everything in like 50 pulls

[daring haven]

I have scarlet and also skipped trina , since I don't really see her a use until I'm starting to build my raid teams

[drowsy dagger]

I had to pull 200 and spark tia and dkw

we won't talk about them

[daring haven]

Well, that's some pretty good luck you have xd

[brave silo]

another duo of bait banners was Clay and Bay
just released before Summer 2024

[drowsy dagger]

clay and bay was too easy to skip tho

didn't even glanced at them

[daring haven]

Yeah but, boobs

That's the bait

And I bet it actually worked

[drowsy dagger]

if nikke has a niche fetish its a mid bait banner

side boobs, under boobs, feet

[brave silo]

Quiry just before Red Hood

[daring haven]

Another example I think would be the crust, her kit sucks, but she looks like one of those expensive dolls people like to dress up and leave in a visible corner of their houses

[drowsy dagger]

ah yes quiry

I forgot about that already

[daring haven]

So people pulled for her

Does Christmas can be considered bait banners?

Like, guillotine and maiden before raoi

[drowsy dagger]

tbh xmas untis were decent

[daring haven]

I actually ended up with 19k gems or something myself for the rapid banner xd

[brave silo]

or Ludmilla / Mica Snow Buddy just before Scarlet Black Shadow
i know Ludmilla is a very good Water Raid user

[drowsy dagger]

they had enough slots on sr's

mica was relevant for so long

we didn't had good b1's

[twin meteor]

The people who advocate saving to ensure you can 100% get the pilgrim/limited are in the right camp

Even if the regular unit is great, a pilgrim will overpower it soon enough

I feel confident with this because they will never release another liter tier unit as a regular unit

That was a huge error on their part

[hexed wedge]

100%?

[acoustic aspen]

Liter buff is meh now. They play the long game

It is not for free they give all meta dps +90 100% atk buff on self

To dilute liter strongest buff

Then silence inbetween full burst

So not having instant cdr = never burst

[spare crescent]

but then mihara has like 0 self atk buff

[vast carbon]

Mihara does damage over 10 seconds and Liter only buffs 5

[acoustic aspen]

that's why Liter is da goat to Mihala

[hexed wedge]

so does mihara dots will scale even better with litter buffs?

[acoustic aspen]

yeah, cuz nothing affects it beforehand

[placid lava]

So, are there any specific OL traits I should aim for on siren?

[wanton void]

4x ele 4x attack

anything is just extra

ideally an ammo but not that important

[empty mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/dented-pepe-dentge-meme-hit-gif-15873918808390144538

[wanton void]

no attack..

[soft ocean]

Got atk on 2nd slot

[brave silo]

11 rocks for this

i'll lock Max Ammo and reroll the other 2 again today

Little Mermaid almost doubled my damage against Kraken

i was doing about 450-500M damage with Grave, Red Rapi, SBS, Asuka and Naga

now i do around 850-900M damage with Crown, SBS, Siren, Red Rapi and HelmT

[wheat island]

crown over grave it's no wonder

[brave silo]

i got Crown 1 day before Little Mermaid and i got 100M more damage in Kraken (600M)

when i got Little Mermaid the next day the damage upped to 800M

damage today (Siren is 7/9/9)

also i rerolled again one of her OL

[median terrace]

Is that Wasuka? If so, you’re better off using her vs rapipi

[brave silo]

no OL gears on Asuka so my Rapipi deals more damage
and i'm finishing my OL on Siren and Crown

Rapipi has 1170 ammo and Asuka only has like 400

[median terrace]

Hmm fair enough. If she doesn’t have the ED lines then she won’t help much

[minor willow]

Gonna see how well she'd fare once I got mihara + running her alongside full mg comp crown/wasucka/rapi

[untold zenith]

the usual classic? got it

[wanton void]

yeah, but dont sweat too hard on her OLs until you get mihara set

[untold zenith]

[shut portal]

Worth investing into?

[wheat island]

yes

[lapis gulch]

for pvp no

for pve yes

[daring haven]

So, how good if an idea is to 10/10/10 siren? Im really tempted to just dump all my skill mats into her instead of taking mihara to 7/7/7 for the missions

What do say?

[fiery sandal]

I have at 10/10/10. And rather decent OLs. I posted a Kraken kill with 40 seconds to spare.

She is 3rd highest dmg dealer in that team, behind BS Scarlet and W Asuka.

Reposting here.

[wheat island]

10/10/x siren is a good idea but i'm still thinking about how you can use red hood b1 with siren so her burst would have less value

s1 10 is pretty obvious get all that cdr

s2 10 is just more dmg

[unborn blade]

How is that even possible

[fiery sandal]

What it means for your question, I think it means she doesn't compare to a true carry unless you seriously OL her to greatness - like you were getting OL effects for a true carry.

Worth it to do so? Idk. Wouldn't you like to do that for new Mihara instead?

[daring haven]

So, I should wait then?

Or just do 7/7/7 mihara for the extra rewards?

[unborn blade]

Mihara is good anyway

[fiery sandal]

Depends on your priorities I guess. I think new Mihara is perfect against Gluttony raid

[unborn blade]

i don't think you will waste anything

[fiery sandal]

While Siren, is the wrong element for that raid

So likely you will get more max dmg results if you focus on new Mihara instead of Siren

[full lynx]

Just missing elem and atk on siren ig, this close to beating stage 9 for the first time

[daring haven]

I'm not that I into raids really, I lack a lot of units

I was thinking more of what could help me push campaign and beat that friking mirror xd

[fiery sandal]

Oh

[unborn blade]

Mihara wouldn't help against mirror

or help much on campaign

[daring haven]

And also there's kraken too

[slow seal]

Are you doing the Asuka reload trick?

[daring haven]

More rocks are always nice

[unborn blade]

Well Siren better i guess? for your priorities