[Little Mermaid] New Unit Megathread

[royal gazelle]

DKW "bad" and look who's still in third for B1s (I haven't actually split usage % for Rapi on my sheet yet, so she's cheating in B3 atm)

[runic yew]

it's coming

[royal gazelle]

Meanwhile Doro

[zinc crane]

im resetting SW MW anyway whatever

[fresh gazelle]

Stun is what, every 2.5 sec?

[runic yew]

[royal gazelle]

Siren's? She can only do it once per enemy

[acoustic aspen]

per battle

[dim dove]

they're assuming every time a new enemy appear, she regains bubble

[slow seal]

If it were permanent raptures wouldn't br able to move

[dim dove]

hence once per enemy

[oblique belfry]

target is boss only

[dim dove]

the wording says enemy, not target

[acoustic aspen]

so if the stage spawns 20 Raptures

she will trigger 20 bubbles huh

[oblique belfry]

it says "Affects the target"

[fresh gazelle]

It says "when enemy appears"

Diff wording than viper

[dim dove]

that's what these people are cooking, who knows who'll be right

[fresh gazelle]

Viper's is "when target appears"

Siren is "when enemy appears"

[daring haven]

Target is the stage boss right?

[reef zephyr]

that's EN localization for you

[fresh gazelle]

Target is boss, yes

[muted turret]

[fresh gazelle]

[muted turret]

why dont they just rename 'target' to 'boss'?

[daring haven]

I wonder if she will be better or worse than B1 rapi

[teal rivet]

Enemy and target are different
For target theres d elegg viper
For enemy theres maxwell and trina then siren after this

[fresh gazelle]

Bossing seems not as good

Replacement to rapi in kraken though

[daring haven]

At least she's a better option to d1 when you need rapi as a b3

[runic yew]

Kit in 24 mins

[daring haven]

D wife

[wintry cliff]

I can't believe little Mermaid is only a must pull in a pink glassed world

[drowsy dagger]

ngl my liter does better than rrh in kraken

idk if siren is good enough to make the swap

[daring haven]

I mean, she's a B1 cdr, those are rare enough

And a non conditional one at that

[drowsy dagger]

we get b1 cdr once or twice a year

you have to get one

[fresh gazelle]

Cdr units tbh never a skip

[muted turret]

they both have that "excluding Nikkes" part but siren does not

[rustic saffron]

elemental is huge factor

[daring haven]

Not need to burst, empty ammo , get 8 shots during full burst or soy

[rustic saffron]

so siren vs kraken is better

[teal rivet]

Thats why I think its work for pvp

[wheat island]

should work in pvp and can counter scarlet 2rl

[fresh gazelle]

If it does work in pvp, wouldn't that be like

Sss tier then

[daring haven]

You can just put her in your team and don't worry about the cdr at all

[drowsy dagger]

if you can target enemy key unit and stun it to miss their burst

it might be good cope enough

[fresh gazelle]

Delays 2rl to 5rl KEKMAO

[daring haven]

Oh yeah, she would stun everyone for 3 seconds right?

[rustic saffron]

counter scarlet pos 1 2RL

[fresh gazelle]

Yeah

[rustic saffron]

stunning her

[fresh gazelle]

But that's if it works in pvp

[wheat island]

should work np

the wording is just right

[stuck hemlock]

even if it works, 50shots is 3+seconds

[daring haven]

Will see Tomorrow

[teal rivet]

No only when she land 50 shot on what she shot

[stuck hemlock]

2RL comp would have burst alrdy

[daring haven]

I have 400 millage anyways so I'm getting them both either way

[fresh gazelle]

Ah right 30fps lock

[wheat island]

it stops scarlet 2rl

[drowsy dagger]

15 hit per second

[slow seal]

Does Maxwell get her crit buff when fighting in PvP? If she does... that might indeed work...

[drowsy dagger]

so its stun after 3.3 sec

[wheat island]

it can stop b2 too

[daring haven]

Well, so siren doesn't completely power craps rapi, I'm happy 🙂

[wheat island]

nvm

i was fooled

after burst ammo increases

[fresh gazelle]

Kek

[daring haven]

Still I would have preferred a b2 that boosts attack, reduces reload and gives shields

[stuck hemlock]

hmmm sounds familiar

[daring haven]

🥲

[willow locust]

Rapi should be better for teams with reload speed or refund already

Siren probably better for teams without either (e.g. Evangelion Fire team).

Siren also new BiS RH B1 team CDR unit

[stuck hemlock]

siren can go 3+ MG without bricking burst gen (without grave)

[willow locust]

I don't think she can

Has anyone done the math?

It's like 37% every 1.5 seconds isn't it?

That's not enough for full MG

[drowsy dagger]

you can go last slot helmt to fix a bit

[rustic saffron]

siren for ammo dependant
rapi elsewhere

[royal gazelle]

The true question

Do pellets count

[willow locust]

Ammo dependant or RHB1, are her two soloraid teams

[drowsy dagger]

don't think so

[wintry cliff]

Just woke up and reading this kit is giving me autism

[drowsy dagger]

the real question is mod burst

[rustic saffron]

but rapi b1 will not be used against wind and electric enemy

[dim dove]

400 ammo with 4 mg is just shy of 1.7s (minus siren's own) assuming constant 60 fps
i forgot how much rof smg has

[rustic saffron]

rapi will not used as b1 against gluttony

[drowsy dagger]

30 ?

[willow locust]

Smg is 20 isn't it

[drowsy dagger]

20

smg is 20

[daring haven]

Do you think using siren and another cdr in the same gem is a bad idea? Maybe the 1 40 SC B3 teams will stop being a meme xd

[drowsy dagger]

15 at 30 fps

[willow locust]

I like your thinking

[drowsy dagger]

the 40 sec b1 is meta on campaign *caugh * rhb1 caugh

[wheat island]

funny with siren you will generate burst even with no target on the screen

since you can keep firing (passive s1) and keep depleting ammo

making you consistently burst no fuckery

[daring haven]

I mean something more like, spamming Cindy's burst every burst rotation or something

[drowsy dagger]

we can already do perma bursts with current b1's

[daring haven]

Yeah but takes lot of time between burst

Like 5 secs or so

[wheat island]

it can be a pain to generate burst in some cases where targets like to leave the screen for a few seconds

[drowsy dagger]

you can control siren to make mg's shoot

into emptiness

[wheat island]

yes

now we can

[daring haven]

You burst gen by shooting the air

How funny

[drowsy dagger]

siren doesn't say they need to hit something

[royal gazelle]

Time to use Liter burst and Siren off-burst

[daring haven]

I wonder how she'll interact with Asuka, would be funny if she losing half her ammo immediately triggers siren's skills

[royal gazelle]

Fix Liter's bad initial CDR and and get even more offensive buffs

[stuck hemlock]

That's about twice of helmT

% wise

[daring haven]

I wonder if she would work well against normal campaign mirro

Currently stuck at the boss

Idk how defense and damage taken work with each other

[oblique belfry]

its only 5%

use true damage for mirror

[minor willow]

Imagine shitup make the kit stun every burst

[daring haven]

Like what unit?

[spare crescent]

Wdym? Isnt rouge cindy team b1?

[oblique belfry]

Ein

[daring haven]

Oh

So that's why people use her xd

[oblique belfry]

yeah true damage ignores def

[drowsy dagger]

you use rh b1 on cindy bursts

and rouge on others

[daring haven]

Who's more effective to invest on against mirro btw? Ein or Cindy

[normal goblet]

Ein

[stuck hemlock]

Isn't rh based on the cindy's att value?

[daring haven]

Ok thanks

[spare crescent]

Caster

[drowsy dagger]

rh is caster att and its a huge 77.5%

and attacker

[stuck hemlock]

Oh

Ok

[drowsy dagger]

that damage is

[reef zephyr]

🧢

[daring haven]

Just curious, is there a team that uses Rh ad the only B1?

Well, bursting b

B1

[spare crescent]

Campaign

[daring haven]

But don't you need at least 2 burst cycles?

[spare crescent]

Yea she can do 2

B4 it becomes 40s

[wheat island]

many lowest cp stages are cleared with rh b1 in campaign

almost all

[daring haven]

How? Is. 40 SC cooldown

[wheat island]

just look at clear history

[spare crescent]

Check skill, cd refreshes

Only once

[daring haven]

So, they just don't use her b3

[spare crescent]

Nope

Just buffer and burst gen

[daring haven]

But like forma sustained burst cycle? Like against a boss

[willow locust]

Alright the new meme team:

Liter/Siren/Summer Helm/B3/Volume

Liter: 8.2s
Siren: 7.5s
SHelm: 6.6s
Volume: 8.2s

Total: 30.5s

+10s passing from Fullburst, and it's ready as soon as burst gen is done.

Swap SHelm for e.g. Crown, Grave, Mari, etc and you're bursting every 16 seconds (11 times in 3 min)

Can probably squeeze some more damage by swapping Volume for Rouge, lol

[daring haven]

The cdr refresh is once per battle

[spare crescent]

Foe mob stages

[daring haven]

Is she used as the B1 when you need to do 3 or more cycles?

[spare crescent]

Ye there were fights where i stalled for cd

[wheat island]

people learning about rh b1 a year and a half after her release

[willow locust]

This looks very dumb but unironically

Cindy/Rouge/SHelm/Siren/Volume

Might be meta for an iron weak solo raid???

It's gonna get off like 12 Cindy bursts

She'll have damage taken from SHelm & Siren, HP from Rouge, ATK DMG from Siren&Rouge.......

[wheat island]

what's the idea behind volume with b1 and b1

[willow locust]

It's only Cindy

One B3

[wheat island]

you want massive cdr?

[willow locust]

It's a team to fire Cindy 12 times instead of run an awkward sub-B3 like Anis

[wheat island]

maybe you can make isabel work

[dim dove]

if you want cindy to fire 12 times, then use it for elec weak

[tranquil night]

Nah this feels useless in campaign

[fresh gazelle]

you mean elec weak? s.helm only applies dmg taken debuff to elec enemies

unless you're using cindy as neutral

[willow locust]

Elec weak you want XMaiden and S.Anis too much

This is a Cindy neutral team for iron raid

The only niche where I think one B3 might be competitive

[stuck hemlock]

But you sacrifice most of your b1 cdr units lol

[willow locust]

Not good ones

[drowsy dagger]

not good ones

liter

[willow locust]

This one

I wrote the meme team first

Then tried making one that's more raid viable

[runic yew]

Mihara in 13 mins

[drowsy dagger]

whats the other teams then

[runic yew]

[drowsy dagger]

sg
liter
dkw

[stuck hemlock]

Volume: my death has been greatly exaggerated

[willow locust]

• Dwife
• Liter
• Doro
• Tove

[drowsy dagger]

doro

[viral smelt]

I finished 1 round of gaming but still no mihara

[wheat island]

dicks out for doro

[willow locust]

I mean the real answer is we'll have yet another CDR by the time Iron raid actually happens

[royal gazelle]

Water-weak raid

[wheat island]

that's high for a dog like her

[fringe wing]

needs Trina V2

[viral smelt]

[stuck hemlock]

Even if doro gets a free priv as treasure effect, will she even be used?

[drowsy dagger]

by the time we have iron raid there will be 4 more b1 cdr units

[royal gazelle]

She needs CN kit

[drowsy dagger]

true

[stuck hemlock]

What is CN kit?

[drowsy dagger]

whats the cn kit of alice and doro

I heard these but have 0 info

[stuck hemlock]

Half priv?

[royal gazelle]

CN Doro kit is crazy

Gimme a sec to grab it

[stuck hemlock]

Just like her

[drowsy dagger]

doro treasure to add her cn parts

[willow locust]

Anyway the real question is whether

Cindy/Rouge/S.Anis/Mari/XMaiden

Or

Cindy/Rouge/SHelm/Siren/Volume

Would do more damage in an iron weak raid. I think the math.... Would be surprisingly close.

[stuck hemlock]

Doro treasure allows her burst to just explode when max please

[fringe wing]

why are you wasting S.Helm for Cindy(neutral)

[stuck hemlock]

Alot of time the timer runs out

Before nuke hits

[royal gazelle]

2s CD every 50 shots, heals allies, damage taken up debuff on enemies

[willow locust]

So I can hit 30 seconds of CDR

[wheat island]

dolla does the same no?

[viral smelt]

Lol CN has different kit?

[royal gazelle]

Yeah, Doro got stacked kit in CN

[willow locust]

Yeah but Dolla is trash

SHelm is at least decent in iron raids

Gives the team a decent B2

[wheat island]

i thought maybe you needed help with the burst gen

dolla could do that idk about the rest of the team

[fresh gazelle]

wtf

[willow locust]

Rouge can be manualed probably

[wheat island]

rouge provides no cdr if you manual

she needs full charge

[fresh gazelle]

so cn doro is literally opposite of global doro?

max ammo wanted instead?

[wheat island]

cn doro wants atk% ele% and then whatever is the best stat

could be ammo

[willow locust]

Only need Rouge to proc once per Fullburst

Should be able to fire 8 times, reload, manual spam, reload, repeat, in ~13 seconds

[wheat island]

that could work then

meme team that functions

[willow locust]

Exactly

A shame my Cindy isn't 12 lines

To truly take it to the extreme

[royal gazelle]

Max ammo is appreciated but not specifically wanted since AR usually reloads fast enough for it not to matter much

But yeah, doesn't brick her

[toxic hornet]

idk why you want to buff her

mermaid will be top 1 b1

[drowsy dagger]

top b1 is kinda cope no ?

she aint bad but yk

[toxic hornet]

more like need to nerf her

[stuck hemlock]

She's gonna be OP and must pull

[wheat island]

abe saying shut up siren is canon

[royal gazelle]

Top B1 if Rapi is considered B3

[mossy pebble]

Hmm

Glad it was coincidence

Her last bullet just happened to be the 400th... Unless they did last second change

Either way good

[rustic saffron]

b1 rapi is not available against wind and electric boss

[mossy pebble]

I don't like the tiny buffs

[rustic saffron]

but we have dkw on fire, shelm on iron

[mossy pebble]

But debuff seem to still work on mob waves

[brisk crypt]

It is just too hard to make a good b1 buffer better than liter

[wheat island]

liter was a mistake from the get go they just don't want to powercreep b1 further

it is pretty healthy to keep liter tier roughly speaking the cap and not the new platform to build on

[reef zephyr]

they already fucked up the B2 slot
what's stopping them
what showed that they care

Liter still being competitive is good tho, I agree on this take

[wheat island]

b2 slot is not fucked up

at launch all b2 were shit

and then blanc/crown/naga/maids all pretty bonkers b2

we didn't have a liter tier 2 at launch

[mossy pebble]

What's her s2

[acoustic aspen]

we had

Rupee

[mossy pebble]

No way that's stun

[acoustic aspen]

not like I complain but

[reef zephyr]

the situation at launch doesn't matter to me
I'm saying the current powercreep all happens at B2
and I'm not convinced they care about maintaining a certain damage ceiling
till Bready nerf came, which is a first

[royal gazelle]

2500% final attack damage per full burst with additional 850% per 500 rounds fired

as well as 5.05% damage taken debuff

[mossy pebble]

What about the stun part

[royal gazelle]

She can stun any enemy that appears one time

[dim dove]

is that 37% burst fill multiplied by 2 against bosses btw

[acoustic aspen]

Never

Skills are independent, as much as we have tested

[slow seal]

I am glad she won't need dupes tho

[brave silo]

so the best B1 during day1 was Liter from Missilis, Miranda for Elysion, Volume for Tetra and Rapunzel from Pilgrim?

[wheat island]

rapunzel was a healer

[slow seal]

1 copy and done. Now give us mihara kit to powercreep Asuka

[wheat island]

not b1

flex slot

[rapid badger]

Idk if I have issue in simulating cause I got like 620% ammo increase for MG shoot forever

[brave silo]

Poli, but she has 40s cooldown
imagine if Poli was 20s instead

[wheat island]

ppl did use poli

but centi was the best

forget about buffs just do 1-1-3 burst gen

[rapid badger]

Nvm, fucked up the bastion

[reef zephyr]

lol at the A(mmo) variable

nice

[royal gazelle]

Yup

Rapunzel was the only B1 for Pilgrim, and the only alternative for Miranda was Neon (unless you actually tried to use Emma)

[rapid badger]

406% ammo increase needed for MG shoot non stop in boss fight if you have Siren in comp

[wheat island]

n102 was most people's alternative

inferior liter

but still give atk%

[brave silo]

but Poli was the best B2 in term of buffs, but the 40s cooldown screwed her, right?

[royal gazelle]

I used N102 for a long time

Yeah, 40s cd has killed many B2s

Same for B1s

[rapid badger]

@runic yew

[acoustic aspen]

Throw xlud in, should lower condition

[royal gazelle]

Usually we want three B3s, so only 20s cd B1s and B2s are considered

406%

[rapid badger]

What's Xlud refund

[royal gazelle]

That's taking into consideration lvl 7 bastion and Siren's burst refund?

[rapid badger]

There's a giant qte wall part for boss fight, soo...

[acoustic aspen]

But pretty sure your formula should be 1/ (1-0.7)/(1-0.4-0.3) for noir and siren

[rapid badger]

Yeah

[acoustic aspen]

So 459% ammo increased

[rapid badger]

I use desmos to consider ammo bleeded per cycle

[runic yew]

it's fine

there's QTE wall and QTE fog as always

you always have 1 short break time

[rapid badger]

XLud (Bastion) + Siren

[granite yew]

so how good is Siren looking?

[dim dove]

i'm still wondering if that 37% burst fill is multiplied by 2 for bosses like usual

[mossy pebble]

wait... Her reloading magazine instead of max ammo means Sanis viable yeah?

Also, does her stun work on every appeared enemy once each? Since all bubbled?

Or is there a once a fight limitation somewhere

[drowsy dagger]

once per enemy yes

[rapid badger]

The refill will be too slow anyway

[drowsy dagger]

unless translation is wrong

and it could be its en at the end

[mossy pebble]

What does jp say

[royal gazelle]

It's once per enemy

[mossy pebble]

Maybe useful for campaign I suppose

Won't work for pvp

her personal dmg doesn't seem that impressive yeah?

prob gonna 1 copy, since that's all it'll affect

mlb lobby is mid too

wallet saved, SU listened to complaints

[toxic elbow]

It doesnt say it wont work in pvp tho

[wheat island]

the issue with pvp is that the enemy does not 'appear'

they start in front of you

could be a reason to disable her effect

[toxic elbow]

I have mixed feelings about this unit. Feels like better Rapipi B1 (with much more damage of course).

Nothing too fancy.

I am expecting more though.

[wheat island]

siren feels like grave the character people weren't too excited for

probably mihara is the broken character

[mossy pebble]

viper s1 doesn't work in pvp

this is the same trigger

[wheat island]

no viper has target

[toxic elbow]

Viper S1 is when TARGET appears.

[wheat island]

target trigger = specifically boss

[mossy pebble]

I suppose if you consider enemy != target...

[toxic elbow]

Siren needs to be paired with Crown full-time.

[wheat island]

the game does not consider enemy and target the same thing

that's already established in several skills

[toxic elbow]

Alice is finally dead from Indivilia?

[plucky jasper]

do you actually trust the english translation to be consistent though

[wheat island]

we have jp too

not that i read it

[plucky jasper]

her skill is the same as all other target appears

[drowsy dagger]

and in eden someone is saying reload is wasted with crown so they have to be seperate teams

[toxic elbow]

Is it in JP, though?

[chrome sonnet]

looks at Mori
no

[toxic elbow]

The closest would be Maids.

But she needs to be paired with either Maids, Tiga, or Crown.

She wants ATK buff.

[drowsy dagger]

tiga might be brick

[toxic elbow]

Well, same like Rapiipii.

[little saffron]

I'm late, skip or shit?

[drowsy dagger]

its cdr

always pull

[little saffron]

Even Volume?

[royal gazelle]

It's not target

[toxic elbow]

I think we might see Rapipi B3 now.

[royal gazelle]

It's enemy

[drowsy dagger]

siren kicks out volume after 2.5 years

yeah even volume

[wheat island]

target only would be funny

bosses are targets and they can't be stunned

[toxic elbow]

Siren Crown Rapipi Asuka Modernia

[little saffron]

Is the the new Liter?

[toxic elbow]

Oh wait there is Mihara.

[drowsy dagger]

mihara rrh

and I assume it will be helmt for last slot

to proc crown

[toxic elbow]

No need.

Moar damage.

You want moar MG for Siren anyways.

[drowsy dagger]

I mean if you have that many b3'sbuild yeah

[wheat island]

it's not impossible the raid is wind weak

[drowsy dagger]

fire weak

[wheat island]

shill siren as dps

[royal gazelle]

It was literally confirmed in the half-anni stream to be fire-weak

[toxic elbow]

No.

[wheat island]

we had a confirmed op bready kit

and then it wasn't

[toxic elbow]

The better Rapipi.

[little saffron]

[mossy pebble]

idk about that even...

[royal gazelle]

Bready kit was a mispost, meanwhile SR gameplay was on a JP event

[mossy pebble]

rapipi makes up for low buff with personal dmg

[drowsy dagger]

my liter does more in kraken compared to rrh

[mossy pebble]

I don't see siren dmg being anywhere near

[drowsy dagger]

idk whats the hype around rrh

[toxic elbow]

Siren has damage.

A lot.

If buffed.

[royal gazelle]

Sounds like an investment issue

[mossy pebble]

rapipi-tier though?

[royal gazelle]

Siren should be stronger than B1 Rapi damage-wise

[mossy pebble]

[toxic elbow]

I would just say she is better than Dorothy.

And gives Damage Taken.

[drowsy dagger]

yeah 2 black 1 blue 1 max grey line ele damage does nothing when its wind weak

[mossy pebble]

is that including mg raw dmg

[royal gazelle]

Rapi would win if core cuz MG stonks

but without core pretty sure Siren wins, though I haven't crunched numbers. Just going by base feel

[toxic elbow]

Nah, depending on team.

Siren only wins with multiple MGs.

[mossy pebble]

then rapipi/liter still best for campaign

[drowsy dagger]

tbh we are talking with a team in context anyways

[mossy pebble]

siren's dmg gonna be spread out anyway

[toxic elbow]

Her damage is from, well, total ammo shots.

[royal gazelle]

Siren will only outdo Rapi in campaign when stun is vital I think

Although

[little saffron]

MG > AR > SMG, pair with Siren?

[royal gazelle]

Siren does practically full damage without bursting

[drowsy dagger]

whats the current campaign team

[royal gazelle]

so she's more compatible with RH

[toxic elbow]

Rapipi sucks as B1 in Campaign she breaks all terrain.

[drowsy dagger]

don't we use rhb1

[toxic elbow]

Might as well Siren replaces her (again).

[wheat island]

campaign team is rapi crown + b3 + b3 + naga

or helm if you really need burst

and b3 is element weakness

could be a few different ones

[royal gazelle]

Six units?

[little saffron]

Rapipi/RH/THelm/Crown/flex

[wheat island]

yes 6

new meta

[drowsy dagger]

are we back to rh b3

[toxic elbow]

The focusing fire + 10.10% Damage Taken is enough to make her meta. More meta than Rapipi.

[little saffron]

RH b1 is so good

who need multi burst when you can do 3 at max

[drowsy dagger]

I was using rh b1 with ele adv b3's

[toxic elbow]

The only problem, however, is CP.

[drowsy dagger]

usually alice to nuke the target if stage is dicey

[little saffron]

^

[toxic elbow]

Siren does not scale too much on dupes and OL.

[royal gazelle]

CP is always the biggest problem

[mossy pebble]

isn't it only 5% dmg taken

[wheat island]

low cp example teams

[mossy pebble]

second one replaces the first

[toxic elbow]

You can't CP pad Siren as much as Rapipi.

[royal gazelle]

Yeah, only 5.05%

[toxic elbow]

Which might or might not be a problem

[drowsy dagger]

is mod dead in campaign

💀

[royal gazelle]

The first 5.05% is lost and replaced with second 5.05%

[wheat island]

mod is long dead

[little saffron]

my RH is 0* anyway

[royal gazelle]

Mod is still alive?

[little saffron]

can't worst than Siren

[royal gazelle]

[wheat island]

i think mod was dead by the time rh released

[royal gazelle]

Mihara gonna truly stick her in the grave

[toxic elbow]

I think Siren loses to Rapipi just because of CP pad.

[wheat island]

rh + alice was superior on most stages

[toxic elbow]

Most Rapipi is 12/12.

[drowsy dagger]

my rh, I had her mlb on anni then got her twice after

still doroless

[little saffron]

My Doro is LMB, while RH is 0*

🤦‍♀️

[toxic elbow]

Mihara is probably the real deal.

She might boost the team's Sust DMG.

[wheat island]

yes good shot at it

[drowsy dagger]

they are holding back on mihara to buff her

[wheat island]

bet the devs banked on mihara being the popular character

[drowsy dagger]

with that gacha skin

they sure did

[little saffron]

Mihara sync so good with Siren, you will have to pull both

[toxic elbow]

Oh wait.

[drowsy dagger]

we get 1 more reset

[wheat island]

siren grew on me ngl

[drowsy dagger]

before patch right

[toxic elbow]

SHE DOESNT HAVE TEAM ATK BUFF

[drowsy dagger]

no

[toxic elbow]

I thought its affect all.

[drowsy dagger]

she doesn't

[wheat island]

yes she's fucked

volume powercreep

[drowsy dagger]

thats why you need crown to buff your mg's

[toxic elbow]

Anyone want to make a thread

Affects self. Never forget.

[fringe wing]

affect self : 17% of caster's ATK

[wheat island]

she makes up for it

[fringe wing]

who translated that

[drowsy dagger]

umm

[wheat island]

are the people in maincord rioting alr?

or is this fine

[little saffron]

I don't know, can they read english?

[wheat island]

#1364172825287589898 message

[toxic elbow]

I think she might work at PvP.

I hope at least so.

That will make her really good.

[floral vine]

Siren is ok for a nikke standard banner and in fact she's a standard nikke but 1%?

Hey guys if you're happy with this 1% banner good for you

[little saffron]

1% aside

SHE IS THE HYPE!!

that's it

[acoustic aspen]

hmm

[little saffron]

We have trash 1% but players are fine

[royal gazelle]

LOL

Just saw a funny thought from a JP player

[wheat island]

siren is nuts for a standard banner char imo

[royal gazelle]

Time to turn Privaty into a hyper carry

through her S2

[toxic elbow]

Privaty barely has any damage.

[royal gazelle]

Only because her S2 never activates outside her burst

[toxic elbow]

No, because no atk buff and the multiplier is shit.

[royal gazelle]

[drowsy dagger]

siren crown privaty

[toxic elbow]

If it's, "Affects the enemy hit if they are Stunned."

Now we are talking.

[royal gazelle]

[empty mulch]

What the fuck is this even

[toxic elbow]

A joke.

[empty mulch]

[limpid bough]

Rapi is top1 b1 and Siren doing almost the same as Rapi is not enough anymore?

[empty mulch]

beeger always betterer

[floral vine]

Guys the troll just arrived

[toxic elbow]

@royal gazelle Can you check if the Affects self is a typo?

[limpid bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/668978412806995978.webp?size=64&name=CE_brainlet

[royal gazelle]

It's not

[wheat island]

is not a typo when i saw the translated pic

[royal gazelle]

I would've mentioned that waaay earlier if so

[wheat island]

can you check again? maybe they changed it

[royal gazelle]

There's a reason I've been saying she's a good off-burst Nikke (like for Exia in Ein/S Anis comp)

Her burst is convenient but nothing special

The S2 is the loaded skill

[toxic elbow]

No, she's shit offburst even.

Waste of slot.

[royal gazelle]

Better than DKW

[toxic elbow]

I mean flex CDR is pretty rare nowadays.

[royal gazelle]

I gave a specific example

[wispy gazelle]

People complain too many units to pull, so shift up says "bet we'll make new units shit so you don't have to pull constantly"

[wheat island]

siren is definitely in the 'must pull' pool

[toxic elbow]

Mihara is the real deal.

[royal gazelle]

Welp, now that it seems the regular doomposting has started, I'll see myself off and just laugh later

I remember when people were saying Grave looked bad

[toxic elbow]

Surely, but she's shit.

[royal gazelle]

Heck, there were people saying Crown looked bad

[wheat island]

yes we can have both

a shitty must pull

[lapis gulch]

grave is bad

i never use her

[toxic elbow]

You are bad.

[royal gazelle]

I guess you don't do solo raid

[toxic elbow]

[drowsy dagger]

b-b-but crown dps was not on par with rh

[limpid bough]

Having another Rapi B1 is also bad now

damn

[drowsy dagger]

and siren is not better than rrh because she can't burst 3 and dps

skip smh

[limpid bough]

[exotic hawk]

if we had no RRH people would call siren broken.. rapi should be better then her anyway.. siren sucks

[royal gazelle]

Siren is basically a 100% replacement for Doro and DKW vs bosses without cores

[acoustic aspen]

nice, so a bit testing

• Bastion lv 7
• Xlud S1 lv 10
• Noir 35% ammo refund
  => She never reloads if burst rotation is 13s (ammo 812)

Chat GPT said I only need 639 ammo

[royal gazelle]

Rapi, Liter, Siren, Rouge, Volume/Tove

[willow locust]

my favourite part about RH is even after the massive B3 buffs

she still barely gets used as a B3

[royal gazelle]

Well that's cuz of Shift Up becoming allergic to cores

[drowsy dagger]

and parts

and iron weak

[acoustic aspen]

1220 for non Xlud

[willow locust]

I choose to believe this is Shift Up's revenge

[acoustic aspen]

that's quite high

[floral vine]

Rhb1 20 secs+CDR treasure when?

[willow locust]

they release a meta B1

people complained she wasn't also meta B3

SU made her strong then spent 2 years releasing jack shit for her to fight

[drowsy dagger]

the true liter powercreep

[exotic hawk]

I have it on good authority volume is getting a treasure in 2 months anyway guys.. dont roll for siren

[royal gazelle]

Volume used too much to get a treasure

[drowsy dagger]

if volume gets a treasure who gets kicked

rouge ?

[floral vine]

Well I don't believe in treasures tbh, just look at milk

[willow locust]

Maxwell & Sugar the only two Nikke I think can be reasonably predicted to get a Treasure

[exotic hawk]

na rouuge is to op with cindy

[royal gazelle]

We were so close to having a real B1 water cdr...

[willow locust]

Rouge is next on the B1 chopping block I reckon

[floral vine]

Yeah that was so sad

[royal gazelle]

The extra 4th treasure... that might as well not have existed

[willow locust]

B1 tierlist is something like:

• RapiRH
• Liter
• Siren
• DKW
• Tove
• Rouge
• Volume
• Dorothy

She'll only be relevant this raid because RapiRH is B3 instead

Rouge is in danger

or DKW

[royal gazelle]

Rouge is actually used the second most

[exotic hawk]

how is rogue below tove and dkw??

[slow seal]

Rouge in danger?

Huh

[exotic hawk]

rogue supplements the best dps in the game

[slow seal]

What copium is this

[drowsy dagger]

baaa lice

[exotic hawk]

and cindy aint going anywhere for a while

[royal gazelle]

I think Siren is just going to kick DKW/Doro/Volume out

[slow seal]

Doro was already dead

[royal gazelle]

Volume has good synergy with M Mast cuz of crits, but ultimate crits are still weak

[slow seal]

[willow locust]

I think Siren will do more team damage than Rouge for most Cindy setups

But probably also the same for DKW

it's one of those two

[drowsy dagger]

rouge is used because dkw aint buffing cindy, in the hypothetical where we get a b1 with generic buffs don't we kick rouge ?

[mighty kraken]

What are u on about

[slow seal]

What am I reading

[mighty kraken]

Sometimes you guys say some weird shit vro

[drowsy dagger]

pierce bosses where dkw needs some job

[royal gazelle]

SG comp is generally going to disappear for raids where DKW is strong due to pierce stonks

Miranda might show her face then, too

Especially if Iron-weak

[willow locust]

Tove lives and dies with SG comp, but assuming SG is viable, that leaves four teams

• Liter is given
• RapiRH is given
• Siren is given
• Last slot is either Rouge or DKW

[slow seal]

The sole reason Rouge is used is because she gives more HP to a DPS that scales OFF hp, so unless Siren gives more HP than Rouge does Siren WILL NEVER replace Rouge

[royal gazelle]

but B1 RH is used with Cindy burst

[slow seal]

Rouge still gives the HP buff

[royal gazelle]

Yeah, just not as much

[willow locust]

Yeah in B1 RH teams I think Siren is a shoe in

[royal gazelle]

Rouge doesn't really help S Anis, who's usually the second on-burst tho

[slow seal]

And my Cindy does worse with RH B1 than using X.maiden... so

[royal gazelle]

If a B1 can benefit S Anis more than they hurt Cindy, Rouge will fall

Biggest issue with Rouge when it comes to the broad player-base is that she needs very heavy investment to work solo as a healer

[willow locust]

I think if DKW pierce team and Tove SG is #4 and #5, Cindy team will use Siren instead of Rouge (with RH B1)

[royal gazelle]

For top players, knocking out Rouge isn't happening soon

[drowsy dagger]

so I need to reset my dkw

noted chat

[slow seal]

[royal gazelle]

Nah, save her for when the inevitable core bosses cycle back in

Reset Doro

[exotic hawk]

shotgun is just getting kicked out before a cindy team so that scenario isnt possible realistically

[willow locust]

Doro in desperate need of a good ammo halving Nikke

she needs to escape Privaty's clutches

[slow seal]

Watch them give us a CDR cube next

[drowsy dagger]

cdr cube would go so hrd

[willow locust]

If she can do that she should at least be DKW/Rouge tier and be competitive for teams #4 and #5

just give anti-wingman

[slow seal]

Kick Doro out of the game at that point

[willow locust]

wingman cube but it's a debuff

[royal gazelle]

That depends on what future SG units look like

[drowsy dagger]

I wonder what we will get for the next cube

which stat are we missing

[runic yew]

sustain dmg up

[royal gazelle]

Water is weak for SG comp, so it fell behind Cindy comp last raid

[mossy pebble]

Cr cd coverhp

[drowsy dagger]

maybe they will add a cube with range bonus multiplier

[royal gazelle]

Drake T is pretty strong tho

[drowsy dagger]

thats because they lost vipert

[royal gazelle]

[slow seal]

Pierce damage doesn't sound bad either

[willow locust]

Drake & Soda are both good in solo raids where RapiRH is B3, so there's less of a fight over B1 anyway

in that sense, Tove lowkey just replaces RapiRH at this point

[slow seal]

Unless it is 7%

[royal gazelle]

Rapi is better off a B3 in fire-weak

so Drake being good is actually helpful, ye

Means electric comp can co-exist easier, too

[willow locust]

is there any other SG DPS who is actually good

PrivM viable still??/

[royal gazelle]

Just waiting for the next iron pierce shotgun

[wheat island]

drake being good does sound helpful to me

[willow locust]

[drowsy dagger]

it will be sugart

[royal gazelle]

As long as boss doesn't deal a lot of damage, Tove/Leona/M Priv/B Soda/Drake would probably be ideal SG comp in electric-weak

[drowsy dagger]

trust

[wheat island]

i thought leona was dead

i see blanc/noir more

[willow locust]

Leona buffs PrivM

pellet buff

Blanc/Noir better if no PrivM

[royal gazelle]

Leona doesn't heal

[wheat island]

oh their synergy

[royal gazelle]

and M Priv isn't that strong in neutral anymore

Bunnies mainly tied to SG comp to keep it alive

[runic yew]

Blanc Noir is better than Leona MPriv now

Cause of dmg taken debuff and ammo supply

[drowsy dagger]

noir ammo buff coming in clutch once again

[acoustic aspen]

simple formula

10800 x (1-3/10-20/60) / [(No of Reload +1) + 180/number of refund x amount of refund)]

[willow locust]

Noir dragged back from the edge of the abyss

barely

[acoustic aspen]

time to input this back to my sheet

[slow seal]

Just give us a B3 CDR SG

[willow locust]

assuming Mihara is viable in neutral damage, Fire is really the broken element

[slow seal]

Kick soda out of the team

[willow locust]

ReiA stocks never been so high

[royal gazelle]

Leona best for damage. You just have no survivability

[runic yew]

that's kinda

[willow locust]

I did like how last raid actually required survivability

[runic yew]

Water weak

[royal gazelle]

Blanc makes the run braindead

[runic yew]

[willow locust]

changed it up from most raids

[acoustic aspen]

Blanc Noir is easier than Leona Alice

and definitely easier than Leona solo

[willow locust]

Balice make Tove less bleh tho

[royal gazelle]

Leona doesn't deal that much damage

[acoustic aspen]

only for AS

[runic yew]

she does

[mossy pebble]

I'll be resetting my leona

[runic yew]

not much

[acoustic aspen]

the ATK buff is still 5%

[runic yew]

but she contributes

[royal gazelle]

And that was without M Priv

[willow locust]

my Leona never left 4/4/4

[royal gazelle]

If B Alice were switched with M Priv, that comp would've left bunnies in the dust

[bleak ferry]

oh lord, she is perfect for MG

[royal gazelle]

...except it also would've died

[true sandal]

so does mermaid suck or not?

[royal gazelle]

Nope. She's just not gamebreaking

[bleak ferry]

total ammo by all allies

[royal gazelle]

People gonna whine cuz they want gamebreaking

[true sandal]

cool

[royal gazelle]

She's not Crown tier

[willow locust]

Honestly she's a good balance of meta

[bleak ferry]

so 2 MG user would be cool

[willow locust]

she's BiS for a good number of teams

but not all of them

[strong chasm]

epic, I get to save myself some pulls, no need to MLB

[patent lotus]

Heard people were shitting on crown off kit too

[royal gazelle]

MLB is only for backgrounds unless you're a whale

[willow locust]

In fairness, Crown was 40s Burst when she first had her kit released

That deserved to be shit on

[royal gazelle]

Yeah, doomposting is a tradition

[strong chasm]

or for dps

[halcyon tide]

every new unit has a garbage kit until they actually come out

[strong chasm]

I wonder if I have all 4 pieces of missilis manu gear tho, gotta check

[runic yew]

Mpriv doesnt do anything in neutral anymore

And talk about Leona in Water weak, she does DMG

[copper trout]

give new B2 SG pilgrim with atk speed buff for SG

[runic yew]

I played her back in Land Eater so I know

[copper trout]

I'm still waiting for new SG pilgrim

[sly galleon]

Does the jp actually say enemy instead of target?

[stuck hemlock]

i rmb people calling that tiny shield trash lol

[royal gazelle]

No she wasn't

She was 20s before her kit was even released

[stuck hemlock]

but this shield save you from OS

[royal gazelle]

Yes

[willow locust]

she was for like 5 seconds, check the thread here. Might've been EN TL error but pretty sure I recall it saying 40s

[plucky jasper]

her kit was typo'd 40s burst originally

[royal gazelle]

Nor does B Alice in general

[willow locust]

then they released it fixed yeah

[royal gazelle]

Typo then

We knew she was 20s from the stream

[sly galleon]

Some real potential there then, nice thanks

[drowsy dagger]

making 3 mg's burst is kinda gamebreaking no ?

no one considers burst gen until they go in the fight

[stuck hemlock]

i think its the EN Tl debuff

maybe

[royal gazelle]

Yeah, that's why people groaned about Grave before she maintained 99.7% usage in top 50

[sly galleon]

I still wouldn't expect it to work in pvp, but a one time stun whenever you want (mostly) on every enemy in campaign will be huge

[royal gazelle]

Burst gen's power is huge

[wheat island]

i saw crow in pvp once

i'm pretty sure she's the enemy

[drowsy dagger]

burst gen is the hidden line where ppl don't calc and assume you burst on time

then you put 3 mg and burst never

[royal gazelle]

Also, numbers are always deceiving

[plucky jasper]

yeah it was

[worn bluff]

The focused fire is way under appreciated by the complainers. You won’t have to be as strict on burst timing in tough QTEs.

That’s huge.

[royal gazelle]

Crown S1's ATK buff "It's 64%, but she's a Defender, so it's trash!"

[toxic elbow]

Its not that important for bossing

[exotic hawk]

Was it clear if gluttony was gonna require much healing from the "showcase" they did?

[drowsy dagger]

its imprtant when you have to make your mg's shoot into void

to get burst gen

[plucky jasper]

not that important my ass QTEs are so annoying

[rancid dome]

remember when we saw rh dmg and firerates on stream

but it probably is a typo

[worn bluff]

Less so for people with hyper developed units that can handle them with quickshot, but that’s because they have enough ammo lines, enough atk, etc.

[royal gazelle]

The commentary said that being able to clear the moving QTEs will give the team defensive buffs to withstand the AoE attacks

[toxic elbow]

Because you are not supposed to waste time outside FB.

[royal gazelle]

We haven't seen those buffs tho cuz either the player couldn't aim or intentionally was missing

[toxic elbow]

That is probably specific to boss?

[halcyon tide]

isnt it lucky siren can make that happen with focused

[royal gazelle]

Yeah, raid boss mechanic

[worn bluff]

On some bosses with chunky QTEs, you don’t have a choice and have to hold your burst.

[royal gazelle]

You know what I'm hoping for?

[rancid dome]

i mean, i enjoy focus during full burst, would i enjoy it outside full burst too? yea sorta wouldnt mind it

[stuck hemlock]

people haven't met the map where volleyball spawns first and your nikke shoot them before you can even FB

[royal gazelle]

Siren bug where she messes up aim in co-op

[rancid dome]

ide be even happier if they just made that a full on mechanic for all my units tho

[royal gazelle]

People just see their crosshairs pulling away from them

[stuck hemlock]

Devs method to stop people afking in co-op

[copper tusk]

[stuck hemlock]

siren force you to shoot

[rancid dome]

its like crown shooting "untargetable mobs"

[slow seal]

Wait did they show gameplay of anyone other than Siren during off-burst in the JP stream?

[toxic elbow]

Probably one of the - is "Does not apply in coop."

[royal gazelle]

That sounds like a blessing

Now I can afk and deal damage?

[wheat island]

could be fun if it does that for afk/dc

[stuck hemlock]

[royal gazelle]

Yes

She switches to Mihara

[slow seal]

Like, can units offburst keep following Siren and you can use another unit ?

[rancid dome]

it probably wont affect co-op and if it did u would see trolls forcing everyone's dmg off the boss

[royal gazelle]

Nope

You have to control Siren

[willow locust]

Alright tried to compartmentalise different Siren team comps to consider her for:

1. MG Burst Generator, e.g. Siren/Crown/B3/B3/Flex (e.g. RapiRH/ReiA/Modernia)

• Siren S2 is maximised for damage
• Siren S1 (probably??) gives enough burst gen to make up for MG allies
• Siren Burst ammo refund's benefit is reduced since Crown + Resil already in the team, no other good MG B2.

2. Infinite~ish Ammo setups: Siren/B2 who isn't Crown/B3/B3/Flex

• The team benefits from 33% refund every burst, almost as good as Noir's 40% refund without costing the flex slot.
• Burst Gen is likely overkill as B2 probably Grave or Mari. Probably for the best since also not reliable without lots of MG allies.
• Siren S2 is not maximised so less personal damage (B2 likely SR, RL, etc. B3 & Flex might not be MG either)

3. RH's Understudy, e.g. Siren/Crown/B3/B3/RH B1

• Strong Campaign team, with both ATK buffs from RH and stuns from Siren
• Gives more buffs when not-bursting than any other CDR, except maybe Summer Helm on Iron-Weak
• Probably also better for soloraid Cindy RH B1 teams than Rouge, since Siren will buff the not-Cindy B3 more than Rouge's Burst does

4. Volume Replacement

• Any team that just needs CDR and it otherwise self sufficient for ammo/burst gen/etc
• Her damage buffs are better than Volume's and that's good enough for team #5 in soloraid

In general, feels like teambuilding is currently a trade-off between wasting her burst gen S1 & personal damage (put with Grave/Mari), or wasting her burst's ammo refund (put with Crown).

[toxic elbow]

Siren Burst Ammo Refund is not wasted

Dude the reload still exists

Having 75% reload doesnt suddenly make it wasted

Less efficiemt yes

[rancid dome]

negative synergy but exists

[toxic elbow]

But wasted is an over exaggeration

[willow locust]

alright reworded to be less harsh

just for you

[toxic elbow]

Thank you

[royal gazelle]

still says wasting in the last line

[willow locust]

in a world of optimisation, anything less than perfection is a waste

[toxic elbow]

You can try running Alice zero ammo with Crown

Versus Alice with 2 ammo versus Alice with 4 ammo

[rancid dome]

i can run 0 ammo alice with crown priv

then its really wasted

[toxic elbow]

[tranquil night]

@toxic elbow uhhhh have you considered Diesel with Siren? IK it's not that effective but.... infinite ammo

[rancid dome]

i suspect dropping ur b2 buffer is a blunder considering our b2 slot is like 40%+ increase damage

[willow locust]

if you want to commit to the infinite ammo meme

just take BAlice too

73% Refund every burst

[rancid dome]

iirc at some point diesel treasure was just infinite ammo

even without siren

[tranquil night]

even without treasure

just noir

which is comparable to siren in reload mag

[willow locust]

frankly if 73% refund every burst can't get you to infinite ammo, you need more max ammo OL's

but yeah, Siren seems to vaguely have 3 different team concepts

for which she actively contributes something

and then the fourth which is just "Better Volume"

[tranquil night]

fixed my diesel in 11 rocks
now has 604 max ammo

[royal gazelle]

Question now is whether M Mast's crit buffs actually make Volume outperform Siren when invested

[willow locust]

I don't think anything can save Volume

not only are her buffs Crit

the numbers are low as fuck

even if everyone on the team magically had 100% Crit Rate

Siren's 5% Damage Taken and 14% ATK DMG is probably still better

At max Volume is like 36% Crit DMG and 32% Crit Rate, and remember Crit DMG is diluted by full burst and charge damage too I believe

[rancid dome]

not charge dmg

full burst, range bonus, core hit,

[willow locust]

oh is it full burst & core

oh and range

[rancid dome]

and base 50% crit dmg

[willow locust]

always forget about range

yeah so Volume gives a small amount of a very diluted buff

[rancid dome]

with core it gets really small, without core, its ok ish

[willow locust]

I think it's fine for us to accept that this is where we say goodbye to Volume

well, except for the hidden team 5 for Siren

Siren/Volume/Cindy/Rouge/Summer Helm or Dolla

[wary jolt]

my volume is 4/4/4 anyway so nothing lost

[rancid dome]

isnt it crazy volujme survived doro and faught dwife

[willow locust]

D Wife was overhyped tbh

[wary jolt]

should we reset/downgrade doro?

[willow locust]

people did math assuming we'd get core & parts

[rancid dome]

the liter killer in shambles

[willow locust]

forgetting SU was punishing us for begging for RH B3 buffs

by giving us a drought of bosses RH B3 is good for

[rancid dome]

every liter killer in shambles so far except rapi (to be seen who lasts longer in b1)

[runic yew]

@mighty kraken

Can you ask chat GPT

If we run 4 MGs

How fast can we get 100% burst gauge

with Siren S1 too

[rancid dome]

i already ran it

asuming ur fuly wound up

u gen before ur cd hits on a boss

i didnt even include her ticks on s2

[willow locust]

ReiT stocks on the rise?????

[runic yew]

Should be more with Modernia I think ? @rancid dome

[rancid dome]

modernia increases her own gen by 2x

[brave silo]

only a treasure which increases her CDR and give attack buffs alongside crit buffs

[rancid dome]

siren but not s1 procs

[willow locust]

Volume needs a treasure, Dorothy could get away with just a better team mate than Privaty

[rancid dome]

but u have to be wound up, im too lazy to do one with windup scaling

[runic yew]

I mean your math doesn't include Mod's burst gen speed right ?

Just normal MG ?

[willow locust]

we'll have to wait for next raid to see if DKW or Rouge or Tove gets kicked out of the top 5 B1 slots

[rancid dome]

just normal mg

[willow locust]

since RapiRH is B3 this time

[runic yew]

okay then it should be fine

All MGs should be wound up permanently with Siren

Like

real infinite ammo

[brave silo]

maybe give Volume Treasure even Pierce Damage too

[runic yew]

And you still have break time during fog wall anw

[willow locust]

33% refund every burst.... probably not quite enough for true infinite ammo

you'd need to be able to get between bursts on a third of your ammo only

[rancid dome]

u also get a little more from siren s2

like 1% more

the sub 60 fps players in shambles tho

irl p2w team, no 60fps no good

[willow locust]

I mean that's always been the case

Modernia release was probably the nail in the coffin for any 30fps only phone players

[wheat island]

the days when i could set fps to 120 were better

[willow locust]

as a 60fps phone player I'm glad they patched that

gimme at least some fighting chance

vs the pc players in soloraid

[rancid dome]

i mean u literally had to cheat that in

the engine by default was always capped at 60

emus let you set ur fps higher than 60 but iirc the engine still ran at 60 and emus never really reached that performance iirc ipad was higher fps than emu back in the day

[willow locust]

honestly the lack of core has been great for me as a phone player too

my Alice damage no longer so make or break

[plucky jasper]

emulator performance was horrendous

like barely 30fps at best

[devout pond]

What is this shit bro

[willow locust]

Rapi has the same thing but 8%

Rouge has 5%

it's the B1 CDR mark of honour at this point

[devout pond]

What's the tldr of her kit, how good and who is she good with.

[drowsy dagger]

she is meta defining for mg teams

volume

[devout pond]

I see

Why MG tho?

[drowsy dagger]

she gives burst regen when a certain amount of ammo used by the team

so mg's

[devout pond]

Oh

400 and 500 ammo needed

No wonder

Pls tell me she works with Cindy

[drowsy dagger]

don't think so

[devout pond]

Not lore accurate team

Fck devs

Sadge

[drowsy dagger]

I mean its lore accurate

if they were good in a team they wouldn't have lost

[devout pond]

They lost coz of that psycho bitch

Corrupting cindy

So mermaid, crown, rapipi, mihara and flex will be her common team?

[willow locust]

She should be new meta for Cindy RHB1 teams, probably

since RH bursts during Cindy, and Rouge's burst is actually kinda garbage for S.Anis or whatever on-element B3 is being run with her

and her buffs to Cindy when not bursting should be roughly equivalent to Rouge's buffs off-burst

[lapis gulch]

medium mermaid

[wheat island]

if she's lucky

used in campaign

raid

pvp

tower