[Mast: Romantic Maid] New Unit Megathread

[haughty coral]

Sin: Need correction Maid

[outer trout]

https://tenor.com/view/numi-vtuber-gif-1178773174395261184

[crystal chasm]

Phantom without her constant trigger S2 is even weaker than Xlud

may be her treasure version will allow her trigger it on 1 target

that way she matches SBS

[crisp scaffold]

Good thing Mat H spawns mobs, right?

[spiral solstice]

New peak comp for Kraken SBS Alice comp is

Rapipi Crown SBS Alice MastM

Crown burst at stack 1 and 2, Mast burst at stack 3.

Im guessing

[crisp scaffold]

Nope

I lost an entire clear level using Mast over Helm

S8 with Helm, S7 with Mast

[fleet onyx]

https://youtu.be/_kTpw_v7l-Y
so you mean mast can make s9 kraken faster than 2m 45s?

[spiral solstice]

What skill level

[crisp scaffold]

Mast 7/7/7 v Helm 8/8/7

[spiral solstice]

Unfair comparison

[crisp scaffold]

It's one skill level difference

[simple walrus]

You could use rapiH as B1

[spiral solstice]

Sir Helm has worse scaling

Lmao

[crisp scaffold]

And Helm won

[spiral solstice]

Is Mast OLed too?

[crisp scaffold]

Hands down

Yes

[spiral solstice]

Worse scaling means less dependent

On investments

[crisp scaffold]

Also means higher level makes less difference

With Alice or Mana, Mast would probably have more of a chance

Haven't tried yet

[spiral solstice]

Someone proved u wrong

Mast has theoretical higher peak

If it gets lower there are probably a few reasons

Low investments (Mast is Very investment sensitive)

[crisp scaffold]

Didn't prove me wrong as my results remain true

I'll 10/10/10 her when I get home

but I don't think 10/10/10 will increase the results that much

Did that person use Alice or Mana?

Oh wait, you said Alice from the start

My b

Read too quickly

That's what I get for multitasking

[spiral solstice]

Faster? Idk tbh

But higher peak

[fleet onyx]

faster means higher peak

[spiral solstice]

No, higher peak means more damage at set time

But both teams have different rhythms

[fleet onyx]

don't you think faster means dealing more dmg in set time?

[spiral solstice]

If Mana no burst gen

New Peak Comp for Kraken
Rapipi Crown SBS Alice MastM

• Anchor will not overthrow Crown. Even after Anchor's release, this will still be the best team (likely).
• MastM when used alone is just Maxwell but less selfish in that she buffs the team instead of the two highest DPS only, but MastM has no burst gen, Maxwell does.
• MastM is therefore more versatile than AnchorM. AnchorM has better usage in PvP, though.
• Compared to HelmTr & Naga, MastM will likely boost SBS↑ damage but potentially lowers everyone else's.

[crisp scaffold]

Mana gives burst gen

Also too much burst gen is bad with Mast w/o Anchor cuz of the stun

[spiral solstice]

Yes but the rhythm difference may add a few seconds.

[carmine hill]

So mast is good without anchor?

[spiral solstice]

Usable with Crown for SBS.

[carmine hill]

A

[crisp scaffold]

Still cope imo. Only usable this week

[carmine hill]

Maybe I should have skipped the banner xd

[fleet onyx]

there are full of coping for now

[carmine hill]

At least with anchor she should be good right? That's what I'm been hearing

[crisp scaffold]

Yea

They'll be good. Just expensive

[fleet onyx]

she's fine without anchor and she makes her better

[crisp scaffold]

Hilariously they're cheap on rocks

[carmine hill]

Idk if pull for anchor too or just wishlist her later

[crisp scaffold]

Expensive on everything else

[carmine hill]

I went for mast, and took a heavy blow on my gems

[cursive drift]

depends on your mileage

if you have 600+ mileage then you're at least safe

[spiral solstice]

Mast alone improves peak of SBS + Crown team.

But without Anchor, it's hard to minmax Raid.

[crystal chasm]

every time she is stun

[spiral solstice]

Sure, you can slap Crown Mast in Raid, but it might be better to just use HelmTr with Crown and then separately run Maids.

[crystal chasm]

she clears her drunkness

so must pair with Anchor else you will take forever to climb back her dizzyness

[spiral solstice]

She is just used as better Maxwell for SBS here.

Only bursting at 3 stacks.

Just before shes goes dizzy pretty much.

Crown Crown Mast, Crown Crown Mast, Crown Crown Mast.

[crystal chasm]

nah just burst Crown, higher Attack Damage

may be burst 10 Mast will do but I have 1

[spiral solstice]

60% atk, 15% atk dmg, 40% crit dmg is def higher.

Talking about 3 stacks.

Also Mast gets Crown's buff.

That 60% while diluted + 15% atk dmg + 40% crit dmg will be like maybe 5% better idk?

Not game changing but it's there.

It opens up a new comp for UR too.

[oak copper]

I hope I didn't pull all that resources into treasure helm just for her to be worse then maid mast

[cedar halo]

mastm limited? worth pulling?

[cursive drift]

worth pulling if you have the eva funds not limited

[cedar halo]

cool, I'll sit it out then

how many new eva nikkes will be there?

[fleet onyx]

no one knows

[oak copper]

I think 2 limited

[spiral solstice]

Nah, Mast is specific to SBS Crown

• Alice

HelmTr is more generic

[oak copper]

That's a relief

[carmine hill]

I have 150 xd

[cursive drift]

i wouldn't even have pulled for mast with that much

you gotta save for the collab

[carmine hill]

Guess I'll wishlist anchor

I had 57 k gems and 40 vouchers, I really shouldn't have done it :/

[cursive drift]

i've done that a few times and got burnt too

[carmine hill]

How long will anchors banner last btw? Maybe if I get the ones I want from the Collab I could give it a try

[timid iris]

2 weeks

[wild elm]

Lol did i just tell Axe to skip ytd, and he just being here influenced by these hyping yappers and went down the trench

[timid iris]

Anchor banner will end when collab is there

[wild elm]

[spiral solstice]

I am not responsible for managing your finances.

You never told me your financial situation.

[carmine hill]

Well, I think I can recover enough for the Collab to at least get 2

I kinda did it because I had been having a really good luck ever since Christmas

I had 20k by the start of the year xd

[spiral solstice]

Bricked.

Ggwp

Quit angle

Bybye

[carmine hill]

??

[spiral solstice]

Im crying

[carmine hill]

Oh, you bricked

Not me

Well, is just a few less core dust

[spiral solstice]

Yes

Bricked

[carmine hill]

I don't see what's the big deal

You missed what, a day?

[oak copper]

Bro gets 12 core dust only

[gray panther]

I mean he only lost 1h 18 min and 32 sec of the nromal rewards

that should be ~110-120 cd

[celest monolith]

@spiral solstice so... What's the TLDR?

[spiral solstice]

"Sponsor me."

[celest monolith]

I can't even get her to 7-10-10 lol

[spiral solstice]

Buy me one $5 monthly card

[celest monolith]

Thats like 160k idr

[spiral solstice]

Nah but fr I feel like Mast is more important than Anchor cus she increases peak of Crown SBS Alice comp.

But this only deals with maxxing the comp's damage.

If we start to care about minmaxing,

Then it might be better to just use Maids together.

For Raids.

[celest monolith]

I'm still going for the duo instead of indivs

There isn't much of a grey spot for indivs

[spiral solstice]

Sir u think I have enuf spare money as an Indonesian

[spiral solstice]

You need both

[celest monolith]

I think I'm broke as a Korean

[spiral solstice]

Its that sometimes its better to slap Mast with Crown

[celest monolith]

It's not sometimes

It's meant to be the duo

[spiral solstice]

Typo

[celest monolith]

Lol

[spiral solstice]

Find me a job

[celest monolith]

Translation pays pretty well u know

[coarse jasper]

Crown Helm is better than going Crown Mast

[spiral solstice]

Yes find me a programming, translation, or writing job by referring me to someone in Korea. You take a cut from my pay.

[celest monolith]

Yep Crown Helm proved better output for me

[spiral solstice]

Investment and skill dependent I guess because it is higher for some people and less for others.

Gotta do with how many dupes of Mast + doll + gear + total of ATK lines on SBS + ammo on Alice.

At least 2 people got higher.

I guess 2-3 got lower.

Also more SBS sensitive ig?

It boosts her damage but not everyone else's.

Funneling.

[coarse jasper]

Mast is constantly ramping up and down

Helm is in theory better here

For better crown S2 coverage, more dmg up coverage, more burst gen

[spiral solstice]

It's not that big of a deal because it always gives 15-45% damage taken buff for SBS, which may make up for the deficit in wind weak situations.

[coarse jasper]

The reload speed of mast doesn't achieve infinite ammo for alice most bursts

[celest monolith]

With Helm, I can burst within 2 full Helm charge during intermission

[coarse jasper]

Yeah but the distributed dmg portion of bscar is like 33% of her total output

[spiral solstice]

Need Alice chair for non-Helm variant.

[coarse jasper]

So just a bigger value and better coverage of dmg up will be better

[celest monolith]

I learned from W.M.S

[spiral solstice]

I would think so, but I think Mast would make up for it even with her inconsistent rhythm.

Or at least, it does so for some people.

[spiral solstice]

Not HMS?

[coarse jasper]

Would highly doubt this should happen during optimal play

[celest monolith]

U mean HMA

[simple walrus]

[celest monolith]

World Maxwell Society was the one pushing me to actually try manhandling Alice

[spiral solstice]

I mean theoretically speaking you also said Liter Crown Rapi Alice Naga would be better than Rapi Crown Asuka Alice Naga. But practically speaking, most people find the 2nd one more effective. Likely due to mechanic differences, investments, etc. It's hard to gauge, and that's why I always say do what works for you best.

[celest monolith]

Not HMA or anyone else

[coarse jasper]

Wut?

No i said the 2nd one would do more dmg

Vs fire weak

[spiral solstice]

Are you sure?

[coarse jasper]

Yes

[spiral solstice]

Let me search.

Did I misunderstand again

[coarse jasper]

I said you should use Rapi B1 when you have ONE team

ONE

And that you should use Rapi B3 in MULTI team content

[spiral solstice]

I guess I probably misunderstood.

Or misread.

My bad.

[coarse jasper]

I remember what I said, I said use Rapi B1 when there is just 1 team because there's no opportunity cost to just stuffing 1 team with as many DPS as possible with Crown

but that you should use Rapi B3 in MULTI-team content

bc other DPS are not good enough to outcompete her

[spiral solstice]

I think I read something more like "For most people, Liter Crown Rapi Alice Naga would be better but just 2%ish better".

[simple walrus]

Last raid I almost lost my hand playing with alice

[spiral solstice]

I dont think we are referring to the same thing.

[simple walrus]

Not even close to 3.8/s

[spiral solstice]

[simple walrus]

[spiral solstice]

@coarse jasper

Oh wait

I misunderstood ig

Or did I not

[coarse jasper]

That's like open core

not unopen core

[spiral solstice]

Yeah I was talking about open core

A large majority of people still find Rapi B1 more effective

[coarse jasper]

and 0 pierce

[spiral solstice]

Well at least I didnt have amnesia

[coarse jasper]

I'm also p sure right after that

I specified that most ppl will find RapiB1 more effective bc it's much easier to play effectively

like a couple msgs down

For that team to be better it's assuming you're literally bursting against Liter cooldown

which is shorter than Rapi's at ramp

[spiral solstice]

True

[coarse jasper]

yah

[spiral solstice]

[coarse jasper]

I've refactored the code since then to also include burst gen but theory calcs are theory calcs

It will apply if the assumptions are achieved and it will fail if the assumptions are not achieved

[coarse jasper]

other reason I specified this is bc then you'd have to invest in Asuka

The Liter theory is that the investment in Asuka doesn't gain much if you play Liter comp optimally

[simple walrus]

What happened guys

[spiral solstice]

I gained 10% more damage.

[simple walrus]

Are we kicking rapi out of this raid or something?

[spiral solstice]

but I didnt play Liter optimally

cus not enuf ammo

[coarse jasper]

yah

[spiral solstice]

[coarse jasper]

exactly

[tardy steeple]

Yeah, shes currently the weakest over spec nikke

[simple walrus]

[carmine hill]

Hey so if I get it right are you saying B1 rapi is better than B3 rapi

?

[coarse jasper]

no

not at all the conclusion of that

that is a very particular discussion in a very particular use case

[crisp scaffold]

B1 Rapi is generally better than other B1s is the argument

so if you don't have other B1s in the picture (aka raids), then she could be best off as a B1 while using other B3s that fit the situation better (like why would you use Rapi B3 vs an electric-weak boss when you could use Cindy/S Anis/X Maiden)

Liter is a bit more difficult to work with since Rapi is literally just BRRRRRRR

Although Liter's much cheaper

[spiral solstice]

Shooting Range Test: Iron-weak. Free Mast (don't ask me why).

Dont have Helm yet.

Will test again once I get Helm treasure.

SBS is expected to deal more damage with Mast (it's level 200 here, so I expect her to deal more with proper Mast), but Idk how much that will be.
All Crown bursts.

No chair.

[hollow vector]

Wait no... I read the images wrong

But I thought it was about BS Scarlet's damage?

[spiral solstice]

Sir, that is Level 200 Mast and she gives ATK there. 😦

[hollow vector]

I'm just confusing myself now

[hollow vector]

Are you sure it's level 200 though?

Because the damage breakdown shows level 400+. It would be showing level 200 if it was scoped

Oh wait

You tricked me!

Mast was the only level 200!

The answer is more caffeine. Brb

[spiral solstice]

Scoped.

Idk why im doing this is not valid at all.

Damn these units unbuilt are shit.

[coarse jasper]

scope locking units that need OLs to function

[spiral solstice]

[simple walrus]

also that boss sucks

armstrong one has core

what if I wanna test no core no parts boss

[spiral solstice]

Helm wins.

[simple walrus]

i meant overall

[spiral solstice]

No core, Helm wins.

If core, a bit hard.

[simple walrus]

I meant overall, when people wanna test new units

anomaly is ok but sometimes hard to cook

imagine testing trony against indivilia

[hollow vector]

Yeah

A lot of things suck in Nikke Except the parts where we can buy things

[coarse jasper]

If core, Naga wins

[RapiB1 Crown BScar Alice Helm] -> 6.60B damage (+1.47s) (15 bursts) (177.12s) (lost 7.12s)
[RapiB1 Crown BScar Alice Naga] -> 7.09B damage (+2.31s) (15 bursts) (177.83s) (lost 7.83s)
[RapiB1 Crown BScar Alice MMast/BX] -> 6.47B damage (+2.17s) (15 bursts) (177.67s) (lost 7.67s)

vs wind weak

[simple walrus]

my rapipi only 79% ele

[coarse jasper]

Wind weak coreless with Liter:

[Liter Crown BScar Alice Helm] -> 4.75B damage (+1.52s) (15 bursts) (176.00s) (lost 6.00s)
[Liter Crown BScar Alice Naga] -> 3.93B damage (+2.42s) (14 bursts) (171.94s) (lost 1.94s)
[Liter Crown BScar Alice MMast/BX] -> 4.54B damage (+2.26s) (14 bursts) (169.98s) (lost 0.00s)

[astral skiff]

So, Mast worth?

[patent lance]

wait anotheer weeek

[amber saffron]

Pin

[outer trout]

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: check Milk's treasure thread, see how no one is talking about it? Yeah that's how you can tell an unit is worth crap

[patent lance]

so more comments means more meta

[spiral solstice]

Rapipi?

[simple walrus]

Ehhh more comments means more shit to cook

[coarse jasper]

I did rapi w/core above

Didn't do rapi wind weak coreless

Honestly tho when numbers are this similar

OLs and cores can overcome this difference

[spiral solstice]

Pierot cleared with Mast

[oak copper]

Helm treasure needs to step up her game for real now

[hollow vector]

You mean Helm treasure can’t clear Kraken but Maid Mast can, with the same team?

[oak copper]

I don't mean anything

[wild elm]

How about mast clear harvester instead

[hollow vector]

4.98b with 4/4/4 0LB T9Ms Mast and I think I goofed a bit. But that means I’m within 414m of a clear

Also did it on tablet not PC

I tapped too fast in the last seconds rush and lost the screenshots

[spiral solstice]

Helm better there.

Sin cleared already.

With Helm.

[amber saffron]

Technically the only goat is still crown Naga

Usable everywhere for S9

Since ig all bosses have core

[wild elm]

Overload Recommendation:
Only need 3 rocks to overload Helmet, Chest, Arm for raw attack stats since her buff scales based attack. No reroll needed.
Doll upgrade:
most support can use SR0 directly, however for MastRM, its better to start with R0 then upgrade for same reason above. This is a luxury option.

[amber saffron]

This is a duo for
Nihilister
A few solo raids
And union raids

[spiral solstice]

SR 5 is much better

It scales on atk

Doll is class insensitive

[hollow vector]

Does doll atk get used in caster’s atk buffing?

[wild elm]

What part of upgrading from R0 is not mean for SR5 at the end

[hollow vector]

Because this entire time, I thought it didn’t

[wild elm]

Caster attack is the atk you see on nikke profile interface

So whatever adding into that number counted

[hollow vector]

And dolls do?

I should've paid more attention

Now it makes sense that Pierot gave Maid Mast a SR15 doll

[wild elm]

worst case im wrong and u have an upgraded doll for the best duo

[hollow vector]

Hah

[wild elm]

[hollow vector]

I can just go check around to see if someone's doll increased that sheet stat

That's all it takes to confirm

Anyways I am logging on to try Kraken on PC

[spiral solstice]

I never said u didnt mention it

I only added to ur msg

[spiral solstice]

Yes sir

Thats why Crown SR 15 worth it as well

Mast technically scales better

But she isnt used as much

So take that into consideration

Thats why I said SR 5 is enuf

SR 15 mats dont come by often

[wild elm]

nah his sense is not a common sense

it still doesnt make sense

but i guess he is a simp

[hollow vector]

I did a lot better with Helm treasure

About 200m short of clear, but Helm wasn't maxed

[idle kestrel]

helm threw me off on kraken with that fast af burst

got alice burst during ele qte twice

[hollow vector]

134m short

[simple walrus]

Ultra

[hollow vector]

I had only 3 seconds into a BS Scarlet burst

[wild elm]

u can bring them ultra now

[hollow vector]

At the end, so, I guess I just need to do better. Like clearing the big QTE faster

[simple walrus]

Crown naga?

I tried and they destroyed the core too fast xD

[wild elm]

if i fix my rh a bit i can hit s4 before the timining

with crown naga

[simple walrus]

I can beat the core in time

I'm doing 5,6b

My rapi 79% ele needs more love

[hollow vector]

I'm in the club again

Unofficial though, need daily reset

Helm treasure 10/10/4 T9Ms > 4/4/4 T9Ms Maid Mast
Not terribly conclusive, tbh, but I like Helm over that fool

[wild elm]

your rapi has low atk right?

[oak copper]

D IS BACK INTO META NO WAY

[simple walrus]

D?

[hollow vector]

6.88%
8.29%
6.18%
14.63%

Total 35.98%

[spiral solstice]

Sir comparing versus 4 4 4

[wild elm]

i thought her damage would be higher , like 750+

[spiral solstice]

4 ele sbs

[hollow vector]

Hehe I know, was joking a bit there

[hollow vector]

Yes, my BS Scarlet is basically insane... maybe not the most insane, but up there I think

Scarlet: Black Shadow: 98.42% ELE, 35.28% ATK, 12.18% CHSPD, 129.65% AMMO

Rapi: Red Hood: 87.2% ELE, 35.98% ATK, 218.2% AMMO

Alice: 10.94% ELE, 50.07% ATK, 141.97% AMMO, 7.78% CHSPD, 9.54% CHDMG

[simple walrus]

218 ammo

[hollow vector]

And all of these 3 have SR15 dolls

My Crown doesn't though

Is Pierot here?

@left basin Is that you who cleared Kraken today?

[left basin]

yeah?

What you need

[hollow vector]

Can you check how your BS Scarlet, Alice, and Rapi Hood compares to mine?

Scroll up a tad to see my OL lines

If you don't want to get the numbers then how about just whether yours is about the same/weaker/stronger?

Since you used a heavily invested Maid Mast, and I used Helm treasure, I wanted to get a better sense of if you were able to win with on par, weaker, or stronger carries

[left basin]

SBS: 90.01% ELE, 20.81% ATK, 9.26% CSPD, 73.04% AMMO
Rapi: 40.11% ELE, 43.03% ATK, 113.21% AMMO
Alice: 40.10% ELE, 20.11% ATK, 271.61% AMMO, 9.26% CSPD

compared to yours, my sbs is 8% ele/15% atk/3% cspd weaker, and alice is 30% atk weaker

[hollow vector]

Seems like your Mast is helping team quite a bit more than my Helm did, then

And your Alice has much more ammo than mine

[left basin]

yeah Mast beefed up SBS tremendously

Alice loses 100m but SBS gained 600m more personal dmg

I think Ammo aint a problem with Mast since reload is also buffed to near-max on stack 1-2
stack 3 is infinite ammo

[left basin]

Dmg roughly the same as mine

[hollow vector]

What was time remaining when you won?

[left basin]

the winning run had 3 seconds left

[hollow vector]

Basically feels like I need to play better or Maid Mast is buffing better, or both

Well, two titles soon down, 3 more to go

[spiral solstice]

It works for some but not for the others

Very investment dependent

Helm doesnt scale based on gear

Mast does

[hollow vector]

You're right, and my Helm's already MCB

[left basin]

Helm just feels more convenient

[hollow vector]

While my Maid Mast would be starting at 0LB

[spiral solstice]

And I think if u get core 7 5/5/5/5 4 OL doll SR 15 10/10/10

I think she has higher peak

[amber saffron]

What is mast investment

[spiral solstice]

10 10 10 SR 15 4 OL

[amber saffron]

She be doing 0 damage

[left basin]

yeah that

[hollow vector]

Idk, his Maid Mast outdmged my Helm

And the Maid Mast was suffering 10s stun here and there

[left basin]

[hollow vector]

Funny that. Drunkard won

[wild elm]

their damage dont look matter much

[left basin]

it's just chip dmg yeah

[spiral solstice]

She is just Maxwell

With less atk buff technically

But makes up for it in everything

Atk buff

Distributed

Crit rate

Crit dmg

Reload speed

Stun

Lower hitrate

Just saying

U guys DID deliberately take one Kraken slam

In the 2nd phase right

[left basin]

I didn't

[spiral solstice]

If u havent and u get blocked by shield at the end

U should

It buys just enuf time so u wont get blocked by last shield

But iirc stage 8 is instant kill

Stage 7 is not

Except for electric

[left basin]

oh ok so the 4th tentacle

[spiral solstice]

U end with SBS or Alice's burst

[left basin]

Alice

[spiral solstice]

10s?

Iirc if u dont take any slam or delay on purpose, thats blocked by shield

[left basin]

comp with no helm left me 6s of full burst at the end

[spiral solstice]

And all blocked by yellow shield

[left basin]

[spiral solstice]

Idk whats the best rhythm tbh

I believe it requires wasting Alice burst in big QTE

And taking a slam after elemental QTE

[hollow vector]

Yeah, getting timing down is a must

[left basin]

I made sure it's only last 5s of SBS burst when shield comes up

[spiral solstice]

But I think if u delay after QTE wall

Likely Alice will get blocked

I get highest score by letting SBS burst run out

Before hitting QTE

Tho since no Helm

I cant test delaying the slap right after that by letting it hit

But u shud if u havent

Whats ur damage by the end of ele QTE @hollow vector @left basin

[hollow vector]

I think 2.2b?

Fuzzy.. I didn't video the run

[spiral solstice]

Ele qte sir

[hollow vector]

Yeah, I know what you mean.. I'm trying to remember the breakpoints I mentally noted

[spiral solstice]

[hollow vector]

I'll just have to kill it again tomorrow and share here

[left basin]

nvm I don't remember

I know phase 1 shield is around 1.1b

[hollow vector]

Logging on to kill it again

It occurs to me I better video the timing of things so I don't forget and lose tomorrow

[spiral solstice]

Whale

[left basin]

1st shield at phase 2 got me over 3.6b after clear

if you somehow pass 2nd shield with enough time it's gotta be above 5.2b

[hollow vector]

I lost But because of significant mechanical screwups in two places that cost me probably 4-5 seconds by the end

However, it was 1.35b to answer your question, before the points of screwups, let me check video again

[hollow vector]

1.328b at end of first ele QTE

Oh and battle time was 2:19 remaining

[hollow vector]

Yep, I think I was 4.2b+ with 30 seconds left and at the end I was 5.2b+ but timed out

I basically need 4.35b+ with 30 seconds left

[hushed sage]

well, im psuedo broke on skill books(waiting for next collab so saving), think 4/7/4 is fine to stop at for now? or should i push burst to 7

cuz im still gunna have to do anchor as well reee

[fleet onyx]

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/127683485?mode=best&p=1
so mast seems only affected by acc cube and OL atm, any other acc buffs from skill are not applied

[unkempt swan]

[amber saffron]

Any other hitrate buffs are not applied properly

Interesting

[unkempt swan]

4 hit rate lines

[slender sentinel]

whos more priority in building up? graves or mast+anchor

[oak copper]

Graves

[late hornet]

Might as well throw Mast into shotgun team, the scatter circle is worse than SG

[crystal chasm]

actually base MG = SG

MG just has innate Hit Rate buff to lower spread

[late hornet]

Interesting, learn something new today

[crystal chasm]

btw I just compare pixel vs pixel

not like I can read code or something

[dusky vine]

skill req for mast?

[eager rampart]

rumani>skip
cinderella/grave>pull + pull
flora>skip
xmaiden>pull (20-30)
xguil>pull (spark 10)
rapi>pull (110)
mana>pull (180, kill me) still dont have her

[oak copper]

I wonder how mana does with sbs and mast

[idle kestrel]

not good

mast needs anchor

and once you put anchor and sbs in the same team, mana buffs anchor's charge speed instead of sbs

[wild elm]

Ultimately 10/10/10 but settle for 7/7/7 is ok

[dusky vine]

skill prio? alr did 7-7-7

also mast is good on kraken?

crown replacement or nah?

[wild elm]

If replace crown she need to go with anchor

[dusky vine]

ohh so crown + mast for kraken?

[wild elm]

S2>s1

[dusky vine]

like crown-mast-sbs-alice-rrh?

[wild elm]

That mast slot you can slot in naga or HelmT also

So Mast is not the best there, she is alright

Just people coping her without anchor

[tardy steeple]

[crystal chasm]

N3x pls

[simple walrus]

Demote Nex to pilot his whole union during UR

[granite oar]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-pray-yakuza-4-habibi-ichiban-pray-gif-3244547768005051647

[crystal chasm]

oh forgot an interesting discussion

verify myself again

distribution dmg buff from Mast also belongs to Dmg Debuff

so stack additively with Blanc

multiplicatively with Helm Tr

[wild elm]

I hate kdrama when they leave me cliffhanging

[spiral solstice]

Give me my 120 core dust that overflowed.

[cursive drift]

lmfao overthrow

[wild elm]

@hollow vector can u try this team for a clear and see if it works

[hollow vector]

I can try it, but I don’t think I can clear if you mean for me to reach p9 with this

[wild elm]

yes to clear s9

[hollow vector]

Then unlikely. Maid Mast is 4/4/4, Mana is 7/7/7, neither are in T9Ms. I use Mana to assist with lazy daily Kraken

I jumped for the clear only because I was surprised to see I almost cleared when I tested Maid Mast

4.9b dmg, so I made some extra effort feeling like maybe I could pull it off

But in reality I had to ditch Mast Maid and switch to Helm treasure to do it, I was more comfortable getting 10/10/4 Helm than I was taking Maid Mast past 4/4/4 without Maid Anchor around

I’m also not comfortable with taking Mana past 7/7/7 for now

Because in anything tryhard, I put Alice with BS Scarlet

[wild elm]

i thought u decked out

[hollow vector]

[crisp scaffold]

I would try it, but 100 pulls without any SSRs emptied my alt

Not using mileage on seamaids

I'll try on main, but Mana is weak, and SBS rolls are only okay

[crisp scaffold]

Yeah, I can only get 3.3 bil (S7) with that

[carmine compass]

what's recommend skill levels progress distribution for maid mast & anchor and helmT(stage 2) for upcoming solo raid and recommendation after helmT stage 3

can't 10/10/10 all of them in time for sure

[crisp scaffold]

7/9/7 would be highest economical investment

S2 at 9 for both required if you want infinite ammo

(assuming invested relisilience cube)

[carmine compass]

I'm getting resil level 15 for sure after few drops during solo raid
currently at 50/100 at level 14

[crisp scaffold]

Well level 7 is the max value for the reload speed itself

After that, it's just slots and elemental damage

[carmine compass]

my helm currently 4/7/4

can anchor skill 2 10 and mast skill 2 8 work for infinite ammo?

cuz anchor skill 2 give another caster's atk might be more valuable

so mast skill 2 level 7 8 9 10 is 12.94%/13.64%/14.34%/15.04%
but multiplied by 3 at max drunken stacks
38.82%/40.92%/43.02%/45.12%
while anchor skill 2 level 7 8 9 10 is
34.63%/36.44%/38.24%/40.04%
while reload cube is 29.69%

so 8 and 10 or 9 and 9 is fine

[oak copper]

It's fascinating how people are calculating and talking so much about mast maid and helm treasure and debating what is better and if anchor will also make mast better and then there is treasure milk and miranda lmao

[carmine compass]

got my drake treasure first for SG team
helmT is waiting for SR

still waiting for cin 2RL team in pvp with helmT with resources after solo raid

[oak copper]

Nixe

[left basin]

Miranda is pretty straight forward so not much to add

Meanwhile Milk

[forest glade]

Coommaxing was worth for this treasure batch.

Helm

[idle kestrel]

SU hasn't made any announcement regarding the hitrate debuff bug?

good good

[vocal holly]

Recommended skill point allocation for mast?

[idle kestrel]

4/7/7 poor budget version.
7/10/7 not so poor budget version.
10/10/10 for “gotta reach that potential ceiling” or “mast = waifu” version

[coarse jasper]

Nah

10/7+/10, then go 7+/10/7+ on anchor

Think that's a better prio order

[crystal chasm]

Mast needs S2 to be high, 7 for normal weapons

9 ~ 10 for Alice and other SR/RL

same will apply to Anchor

not sure about S1 cuz I haven't looked but S2 needs 9 ~ 10 too

because together 9 - 9 + Cube lv 7

you reach 109% reload speed

[idle kestrel]

anchor s1 is mostly healing

[crystal chasm]

oh

[idle kestrel]

same as burst

but there’s some distributed damage buff on anchor s1 as well

[tardy steeple]

Dont need lvl 9, lvl 7 on both s2 and cube should give 103% rld spd

[crystal chasm]

need 109% for 0 ammo lost no?

[tardy steeple]

Oh that, is that really a big difference tho?

[spiral solstice]

I made these illusts for Prydwen guide but I am just gonna drop these here.

[hollow vector]

Graphics were better eye candy than Sin's new costume, would look again

[twin turtle]

We learnt the hard way, still gonna pull tho cuz gyatt damn her ass is irresistible

[forest glade]

I don’t have the pulls for both plus Eva so

[twin turtle]

Just pull her in 1x10 pulls, easy

[crystal chasm]

not much

you will have almost 1s delay here

comparing to normal 0.25s per shot

test case

• Crow: 44.35% reload speed
• Admi burst lv 3: 31.11% reload speed
• Cube: 29.69% reload speed

Total: 105.1% reload speed

[crisp scaffold]

The distr damage of both is tiny compared to the rest of their kit

They'd both benefit way more from Crown

[idle kestrel]

only real distribute damage carry is sbs

so the dist damage buff is for her and the reload speed is for alice

[crisp scaffold]

and Dorothy

Reload speed actually helps SBS as well since it means being able to reroll the max ammo slot for more CS

[idle kestrel]

don’t think she can have infinite ammo even at 109% reload speed

she’ll always spend some frames in cover reloading

[crisp scaffold]

Ah, sword problems

[idle kestrel]

and if you roll away that ammo, you risk bricking sbs once a better distributed damage carry shows up

[crisp scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/mh-monsterhunter-mh1-ps2-skullbrothers-gif-23055751

[idle kestrel]

and ntr’s macho from sbs

[spiral solstice]

Yes due to forced anim

She will jiggle for 11 frames

0.183s

Alice and other heroes dont suffer from this

Because their "between shot" delay includes reload

The more u know

Between shot delay is 200ms btw

[crystal chasm]

just like reload on clip SG

you won't reload once you have 75% reload speed on clip reload

[crystal chasm]

for this yes, SBS won't have infinite ammo

[green otter]

what if i was using crown in other team, it would be fine for water team in sr?

[idle kestrel]

my speculation is that macho is stuck with alice sbs for a while due to giving alice infinite ammo and 75% buff to sbs’ s1 which is a big part of her damage.

so yes crown will go to another team, maybe rapi because she enjoys the reload speed/pseudo infinite ammo as well.

unless you’re dry of skill mats and can’t/won’t level up macho skills to optimum level

[spiral solstice]

Next raid is gonna be Crown, Maids, Grave, BlaNoir, and Tiga.

[crisp scaffold]

Most likely your few water DPS units will be with Crown

If they're split, it'll be Crown & Tiga

Water B1 options aren't great, so we'll likely need X Lud in Tiga

[green otter]

viper

but thats a niche scenario

[crisp scaffold]

Yeah, Viper will probably show up more this time

[green otter]

most people would use crown with xlud or sbs

[crisp scaffold]

since last time too few people had her treasure to actually use her

Now with her having two major options with elevated SG Comp and Crown, I feel like we'll see her more

[green otter]

though, the ones that have gottem helm treasure will use crown with her, then viper can slot in that team too, since even though she is sg, a good viper can be placed anywhere

[crisp scaffold]

I have gear exp and skill mats sitting around the throw into her if necessary, since she's one of my few water units without much investment

Questionable Cook:

• Liter/Viper/Crown/X Lud + Helm T
• DKW/Seamaids + SBS/Alice
• Rapi + Tiga + Quency/X Guillo
• Tove/Leona/B Soda/Drake T/B Alice
• Doro/Rem/Cindy/Rouge/X Maiden

[green otter]

i believe that first team could do the most damage

but i like those teams

double b1 on last team?

[crisp scaffold]

More likely RH will be in Tiga instead of X Guillo, then Doro/Rem/Emilia/X Guillo/Privaty in T5 for cope

[crisp scaffold]

Doro for damage, Rouge for Cindy/X Maiden buffing using skills and to patch Doro's bad CDR

But questionable cook for a reason

[green otter]

but im heavily biased towards viper lol, but we will have to see what top players use

[idle kestrel]

where’s tmilk smh

[green otter]

is she even good

[idle kestrel]

not with that attitude

[desert yew]

She’s useable, but man I wish her CDR proc just like Rouge/DKW and that Atk buff from S1 activated every Full Burst.

[lapis lynx]

Maybe with SHelm lol

Milk's CDR is too trash to compete with other B1 CDR

Iron weak boss/raid with SHelm is the only viable use-case I can see for treasure Milk

[burnt zinc]

I've looked for maid Mast's lobby screen but couldn't find anyone with it, does anyone have it recorded?

[spiral solstice]

The last one is highly questionable.

SAnis better there.

Fuck Doro.

Team 3 burst gen might be too low.

Good cook tho except Doro.

[patent lance]

reset doro

[hollow vector]

Save the Doro!

https://tenor.com/view/doro-assemble-stampede-raid-gif-3238891709128671482

I don’t want to reset Doro

[fluid oar]

jokes on you I got dorothy right after she was out of the meta

[cursive drift]

dw she will always have a spot in water raids (for now)

[simple walrus]

[oak copper]

Looks like water will have the most synergetic single element team now huh?

Dorothy, anchor m, quency E Q, guillotine winter?, mast m

[simple walrus]

Electric is the best one so far

[fluid oar]

dorothy without normal priv is basically trolling

but priv is too slot-inefficient

[outer trout]

I am resetting Dorothy once this SR is over

[oak copper]

💀

[wild elm]

How do these people know before Anchor release

[oak copper]

Do you think she will hit sss once anchor releases?

[spiral solstice]

Old tier list?

Its updated.

[oak copper]

Still the best for campaign tho

[wild elm]

Nah this is prolly their final tier

They are niche buffers cant be sss

[simple walrus]

Niche monoraid use

[tardy steeple]

They are SSS meta for Elbussyion tower tho

[patent lance]

mas (SS) + anchor (SS) = SSSS

[simple walrus]

What is the new Elysion tower comp?

The one with maids and rapiH

Dwife, maids, rapiH, Mpriv/maiden?

I ran rapi B1 and She's still doing more DMG xD

Why elysion units are so kek bro

[hollow vector]

If want RRH to be B3, then:
Maid Mast, Maid Anchor, RRH, Flex (B3), D Wife

[hollow vector]

If want RRH to be B1, then:
Maid Mast, Maid Anchor, Flex (B3), Flex (B3), RRH

Easy templates

For B3 slots it can be any you feel is good or have invested for raiding. Helm treasure, X Maiden, etc

Even some people might bring out their beloved Phantoms

[simple walrus]

Whonthom

[oak copper]

I forgot about phantom lmao . I was thinking about escape queen and even winter guillotine synergies

[tardy steeple]

Helm treasure no doubt

[idle kestrel]

ditching mpriv for maids+thelm eww

[idle kestrel]

gotta hoard them like that

those electric books dipped below 1000 during the xmaiden days

rouge, cindy, xmaiden, ein

[haughty coral]

On top: The King
Below: The Scientist, The Drunk and The Future.

[cursive drift]

Crown honest should have her own tier

[crystal chasm]

the good

the bad

and the ugly

[forest glade]

Imagine nikke playerbase when crown gets dethroned

[potent laurel]

tbf even if she gets dethroned she’ll still be way above any of the other B2s

[oak copper]

Crown will get dethroned by another crown just like scarlet

[spiral solstice]

U need ammo for Anchor for elysion tower tho

Dont need Helm anymore

Helm sucks for mobbing

Boss doesnt have always highest attack

Hard to snipe

DWife Maids Rapipi XMaiden better

For bossing tho

RapiB1 Maids HelmTr XMaiden ok

Unfortunately Anchor doesnt buff Max HP

If it does her synergy with Maiden burst is gonna be insane

Its only storage

[hot quartz]

is it fine to just put an sr0 doll on her? or should i just level an S doll to 15 and convert?

[wild elm]

Go from R

[severe tartan]

Always R15 convert

[hollow vector]

More efficient to go with R0->R15 first, though I forgot why nobody advocates SR0 anymore. Wasn't the point to get benefits from SR0 at no maintenance kit cost?

Did I miss something that flipped it from decent idea to bad idea column?

[spiral solstice]

SR 0 was fine cus u needed to SR 15 a lot

SBS RH ALICE CROWN RAPIPI

CINDY

SAnis too if u want

But once everything settles down

Not worth anymore

With certain reset strategies

U can expect 9-11 treasure per year on average

And 1.6 other units per month that u can SR 5.

[lusty fiber]

May this make my sbs can play 100% reload

[crystal chasm]

[haughty coral]

Lucky you, for God know why, my Mast's OL keep getting charge spd and dmg...

[teal tiger]

prydwen already ranked mast

anchor comes out today. Will be fun testing it out later.

[wild elm]

Prydwen lost in ads race, Nikkgg already ranked mast first

[timid iris]

Yep

[simple walrus]

Ugh today anchor banner

Good luck for all

[outer trout]

1 tap for everyone

[patent lance]

[signal horizon]

1 free pull, ez ez

[hollow vector]

I didn’t 1 pull, or 10 pull, but it was in 20 pulls. Good enough?

[spiral solstice]

no need test

results are in line with my theory and gatrix math

[hollow vector]

Maid Mast skill priority

There is a Normal Priority and an Infinite Ammo Reload Speed Priority (IARSP). Normal priority is suitable for all players. IARSP is only for highly competitive Alice maximizers who already know how to make very rapid shots on her.

Normal priority:

• Minimum: 4/4/4
• Recommended: 7/7/7
• Max: 10/10/10

S2 > Burst > S1

Infinite ammo reload speed priority:

NOTE: For infinite ammo reload speed effect, where Alice instantly recovers ammo while firing, you need 108.85%+ reload speed. This is achieved with LV7+ resil cube and Maid Mast S2 level > Maid Anchor S2 level while adding up to 17+ levels.

• Minimum: 4/4/4
• Recommended: 7/9/7 (with Maid Anchor S2 LV8+)
• Max: 10/10/10

S2 > Burst > S1

[wild elm]

"you're done", i have seen this format before....

[hollow vector]

Yeah it's a copy of that format hehe

It's effective

[zinc wedge]

Pin this please

[crystal chasm]

or here

[hollow vector]

Ah, I see this now too

I... forgot about it

[late hornet]

Can the maids rival Tia Naga under the condition with lb0 and no doll when no core? Is there a rough breakpoint of reference?

[cursive drift]

break point is core vs no core

one or the other

[late hornet]

Sorry forgot to specify under no core condition

Do the maids win with proper skill levels even at lb0 and no doll?

[cursive drift]

yes because naga's selling point is 85% core dmg on burst

that does 0 vs a no core fight

[spiral solstice]

Maids are better alr

[gray panther]

[patent lance]

Where are the pins on mobile app?

[late glacier]

channel -> settings -> pinned messages

[simple walrus]

Lol good pfp nex

[late glacier]

[outer trout]

So would you guys say it is better to 10 - 7 or 9 - 8? I have seen mixed responses from either side

[scenic crater]

8M & 9A is like 1.5 days worth of mats cheaper compared to doing 7M & 10A, but 10A buff is slightly more universal for the entire party istead of just Distributed dmg for SBS.
however the damage diff is likely negligible, i wouldn't worry about it, the moment skill reset is handed out their skills gonna get maxed out anw.

[simple walrus]

Yeah the idea is maxed both

I can 7M and 5A

[gray panther]

don't forget about the simulation reset on monday

[thorny scroll]

recommended OL rolls?

[patent lance]

same 4 rocks

[thorny scroll]

ok thanks, just making sure

[patent lance]

if u want u can even skip the boots saving 1 rock

[hollow vector]

A pirate without booty is no pirate

[simple walrus]

Oh yeah it's actually 3 rocks not 4

[thorny scroll]

hmm, is the difference that big because their skills aren't 10 compared to crown helm? couldn't get to kraken stage 6, half bar left

[patent lance]

maids kinda needs big investment

u better off with crown helm for now

[thorny scroll]

long time project ig, aight

[grand sand]

do we put sr0 doll on mast and anchor or sr5 doll

[wild elm]

go from R0 doll to SR5 and thats it

[proud vault]

always put R0 now if they are decent :3

[celest bane]

Is this the new bis for Kraken?

[idle kestrel]

nope, crown+thelm is kinda the best

crown+naga maybe close to crown+thelm

but kraken hates naga

[celest bane]

Why?

[idle kestrel]

because of her skin element

[celest bane]

Why does it matter if she doesn't die though

Like does THelm actually yield more dmg overall?

Prob not right

[idle kestrel]

wdym? naga gets one shot by some kraken’s attacks as you progress through the stages

[celest bane]

She only gets one shot if you don't break the tentacles in time

after second phase

or during*

are you supposed

to tank tentacles?

ignore them I mean

[idle kestrel]

if you don’t use naga, you can

[celest bane]

Does THelm yield more dmg though?

[idle kestrel]

i got more from better full burst uptime

[celest bane]

Cause even if Naga gets one shot by ignoring tentacles, at most the other units can prob only tank 2 hits

Ic ic

10/10/x?

[modern oriole]

naga gets 1shot with rng regardless sometimes

but my naga damage also does more than my thelm slightly

asuming ur hitting cores at a good rate should be expected

[idle kestrel]

depends on your alice/sbs damage spread. mine is very sbs biased so core hit damage doesn’t contribute a lot

[modern oriole]

both of mine r built

but sbs also has autos taht core hit

one of the big differences i noticed is i get to the 2nd phase to get perma core hit quite a bit slower

[crisp scaffold]

If you're not breaking tentacles, Naga is worthless

Only Alice can hit core, and her damage is meh

[simple walrus]

Uuu you called Alice meh, Alice white knights gonna blame you

[patent lance]

1/5 of sbs in kraken for me

[timid iris]

u bully alice too much

xD

[crisp scaffold]

If they can give screenshots of her doing actually good damage to Kraken, then I'll concede

[modern oriole]

sbs still shoots

but yes u need to be hitting core to get core damage

my alice with naga is usually ~50% sbs

not the main carry but definately not negligible

[crisp scaffold]

SBS can't hit core in phase 1

And if you're not hitting tentacles, you neither leave phase 1 nor get core damage for shooting the tentacles

Meaning Naga is pretty much a waste of space compared to HelmT

[crisp scaffold]

And that's "meh" for the amount of effort required S Sakura can do that without the fingerbreaking

[modern oriole]

Yea but can she do that while giving SBS 60% cs

If ur playing naga then u should be shooting tentacles phase 1 anyways, it pushes to give you phase 2 faster. Get core hits to get more core hits

Tents should just be a dps increase regardless, if ur pushing for damage if not and you just need easy s7 then it doesn't matter since helm has more qol since you don't randomly die

[crisp scaffold]

Agreed

I was mentioning what I did because the discussion turned to whether or not Naga dies vs Kraken

If properly destroying the tentacles, she shouldn't die

She would definitely die if trying to FA, but she's useless in that situation anyway

[modern oriole]

Sometimes the light missiles just say "I hate naga"

And randomly dies

[crisp scaffold]

Ahhhh, the missile RNG, true

I've never used Naga vs Kraken, so I wouldn't know

Noir user here

[unkempt swan]

just be smart with your burst timings, then naga won't die

other than that, the only time she can die is if kraken throws those unbreakable barrages at her, but just cover her on the off chance they happen

[modern oriole]

Ya the light missiles

[hollow vector]

Missiles are easier to deal with when you bring Rapi Hood

[crisp scaffold]

The energy missiles can't be destroyed tho

[potent laurel]

hate when that shit targets naga out of everyone

[patent lance]

does ATK Ol impact her caster atk buffs? i forgot

[crisp scaffold]

Caster buffs always ignore OLs unless "final" is present

(any ATK buff without final, actually)

[hollow vector]

Though I think gear ATK is included in caster's ATK. Since it's not a buff. Just in case you meant that.

Gear ATK: Helmet says: +6,000 atk.
Effect ATK: Helmet has line 2 +14% ATK.

Gear ATK: Included in Caster's ATK buffing.
Effect ATK: Nope.

[crisp scaffold]

Ah yeah, didn't think about that clarification. Stats from gear itself are never ignored

Rolls are coded as buffs that only apply at battle start. That's why you won't see the ATK change in Nikke page after rolling ATK

[fresh delta]

Much much better comp than the old admi + privaty

[crisp scaffold]

Ah yes, the olden days when Admi was actually meta

[fresh delta]

Dun have Anchor but Imma try fish her out for water weak raids'. MastM + AnchorM + manual Alice + Bread comp should melts through water weaks without much efforts.
AnchorsM's reload buff only kicks in after 3 burst tho so It might need to pay some attentions ramping it up ASAP

[grand pollen]

yes

[crisp scaffold]

M Mast works for S9ing every AI boss

[crystal chasm]

Mast is so strong she's the 2nd strongest buffers in

• Fire Weak (Rapi - Helm - Siren - Crown - Mast)
• Electric weak (Cinderella - Helm - Siren - Crown - Mast)
• Iron weak (Rapi - Helm - Siren - Crown - Mast)
• Wind weak (SBS/Wasuka - Helm - Siren - Crown - Mast)
• Water weak (Xlud - Helm - Siren - Crown - Mast)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLVeUxvltLY

[swift sand]

Imagine if mihara water
That xlud spot gonna be for her

[idle kestrel]

water isn’t allowed to be good

every UR since hard mode came out has been cockblocked by the water boss

[crystal chasm]

my strongest watah team against Talkative deals like 1/3 of Fire Team against Armstrong

[idle kestrel]

nihilister, harvester, talkative

fun times

[simple walrus]

Yapper

[spiral solstice]

And you wrote in draft shes useless without anchor

[amber saffron]

She is

Won't be building her if no anchor

[oak copper]

No

[hollow vector]

Maid Mast is useful without anchor. It’s just that some of us didn’t realize it at her release. Because that Drunk clearup stun is madness.

Idk if it’s useful enough to recommend for campaign or most bosses though. Anomaly is a bit different. Unless we’re talking about extensively power creeping campaign.

[crisp scaffold]

Campaign can be beaten by any units through the power of CP

Most people pushing very high deficits should have a general ability to evaluate a unit's power/usefulness already

And even with high deficit, she's still better than 95% of B2s

B2s in general are really bad

The question is just flex B3/secondary B1 vs M Mast or Naga really

[idle epoch]

most campaign fights are over by the second burst, so she wouldn't get stunned but also wouldn't fully stack her buff for the optimal crown > crown > mast burst chain, not too sure we'd see much play for Mast there other than maybe bossing if she doesn't hit your CP by enough to offset the stronger buffs she can bring

[wraith osprey]

yeah I don't think she's that useful for campaign unless you happen to be stuck on 1 of the nodes that has you FBing 3-4 times

[amber saffron]

In that case usually liter is enough to fill anyways

[wraith osprey]

units like SBS, RapiRH, Ein hell even modernia have great bursts that help push to the stage target due to their wave clearing capabilities

[simple walrus]

Idk man I can't play campaign

SU decided to make all bosses big walls

Then you need to wait 20 more levels

[simple walrus]

I recently finished MC now I'm stuck again in another boss

Behemoth

[patent lance]

After that one there is another one

Both lower walls tho

[spiral solstice]

@crystal chasm Can XMica, Ade, Cocoa, etc dispel her self-stun?

Does it count as a dispellable debuff?

@amber saffron

[outer trout]

I remember the stacks being removed completely, and no stacks means no buff

[crisp scaffold]

As Frankyub said, they will cleanse all of Mast's stacks, so, while they prevent the stun, they also strip Mast of most of her buffs, too

[hollow vector]

Thanks to Maid Mast, I now can kill Kraken before the major QTE. Under 2 minutes

I attribute to Maid Mast because I couldn't pull it off with Helm

[torpid meadow]

guysss how to crown mast on kraken?

[crystal chasm]

u need to put them in your team first

[hollow vector]

Too broad a question, can you simplify it?

Like, what's wrong? Are you wondering how it even works? You just use Maid Mast's burst every 3rd burst cycle, instead of Crown

And yes it's more damage that way. Maid Mast's burst gives a very massive buff on that every 3rd burst cycle

[gleaming marsh]

I tought you had to be off tempo on kraken due to aoe's

to get the crown shield for em

[hollow vector]

Wydm? I just ignored the AoEs. A little bit of luck there

Crown's shield lasts 15 seconds

It's mainly you're worrying about enemy other attacks breaking the shield and you not refreshing it before Kraken AoE

Even with that, I didn't take much damage in that run (it ended just before Kraken could summon the major QTE)

[torpid meadow]

sorry, the cycle i mean

so it's like

crown crown mast always??

usually the AoE that kills you is the first one on phase 2 right?

[hollow vector]

In phase 2, all of the AoEs can severely injure or kill if the stage is high enough by then, but we can cover/iframe dodge it

Kraken's AoEs are all easy to cover/iframe dodge

Though can't do that to failing the major QTE, it's a wipe if you fail that

And I never tried to iframe dodge failing a minor QTE, I just clear it

It basically becomes a pure damage race with casually whacking the forefront tentacles before they can AoE slam. Destroy rear tentacles before they even begin to attack

But, my team is pretty strong and my Crown's shields can tank a lot, and I have units with SR15 dolls in the team which includes taking 17% less damage and having 30% more cover hp

[torpid meadow]

ahhhh wait i got confused sorry, QTE is that yellow shield and tha major one right?

[hollow vector]

Major one replaces or fills whole screen, basically. Or threatens outright team wipe if you fail it.

Minor ones don’t. Kraken puts 3 QTEs around his body for that one, and elemental barrier.

[torpid meadow]

the AoE i was referring is when he charges up and shoots rocks thats where it kinda hurts a lot

[hollow vector]

Rockets? You can destroy them

[torpid meadow]

nooo not the rockets

that one that he charges up like a whirlpool and shoots rocks from his mouth

[hollow vector]

Oh the splashy one with actual rocks mixed in

[torpid meadow]

after the yellow shiel QTE

[hollow vector]

Yeah you either Crown shield tank it or dodge with team by putting everyone into cover at the last moment

Afaik shields will redirect damage away from HP entirely unless the attack pierces

So 1 shield point on someone is enough to block 100,000,000 dmg from hitting HP bar. As long it isn’t piercing

So if everyone has Crown shield running, Kraken AoE will not hit hp if nothing else pops the shield before the AoE.

Hm, I should test it though to be sure

Tentacle slap pierces shields it looks like

So only that one AoE can be blocked easily with shields/cover

[torpid meadow]

so is this where we need to off tempo mast burst right?

[hollow vector]

Guess so

Because if you burst with Mast, that’s not Crown, which means no shields rebuff

So ~5 seconds later, Crown shields fade

And then boss blasts unprotected team. RIP

You have to manipulate fight timing so that Crown shields are still up for the AoE blast

[torpid meadow]

if block all the blue shield will be zero right and cannot be recover

[hollow vector]

Cover is not the shield

Cover has its own HP, and yes it can’t be rebuilt unless you bring Biscuit and use her burst.

No one really brings Biscuit to Kraken… not needed

[torpid meadow]

ahhh okay thanksss

so the break and butter is crown crown mast rotation right?

[torpid meadow]

damn it really works hahaah thanks

[hot quartz]

just to double check if im doing this right with crown mast. You do. Crown Crown Mast. Repeat. right?

[wraith osprey]

yes

[cobalt hamlet]

ouge

[hazy prawn]

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