[Mast: Romantic Maid] New Unit Megathread

[wooden prairie]

Oh ya pls do significant demotions on bossing tier list

[amber saffron]

They arent sss

[wooden prairie]

Too congested rn

[spiral solstice]

Ckckck we are going reverse inflation.

[wooden prairie]

Doro for example needs to go down a tier

[spiral solstice]

Ok not every boss has core.

[wooden prairie]

[spiral solstice]

When no core, Crown Naga is shit.

[amber saffron]

Yk crown also gives reload speed right

And also anchor bursts for 50% of the stage

[spiral solstice]

Maids will fuck their ass.

[amber saffron]

U showed crown helmT better in no core

Than mast anchor

[spiral solstice]

Sir, reload where sir.

[amber saffron]

Crown reload is enough

[spiral solstice]

ALSO DISTRIBUTED DAMAGE 1.75x WHERE SIR.

[amber saffron]

Thats just one unit

[spiral solstice]

IT IS NOT.

[amber saffron]

How

[spiral solstice]

If it is,

why was Privaty used last raid?

[crisp scaffold]

S Rosanna on same tier as bunnies is meme

[spiral solstice]

Why not Maxwell or XLud?

It shows that infinite ammo is better than almost anything.

[amber saffron]

You understand that when alice is in crown, mast anchor will be rotting in team 5, right?

[spiral solstice]

Why would you use Alice in Crown when in SR?

You use Alice with Maids.

[amber saffron]

Because fire weak

[spiral solstice]

Maids is stronger.

If no core.

SBS will ALWAYS join Maids.

Removing SBS from Maids mean losing shit ton of damage.

[crisp scaffold]

The point is removing SBS period

[spiral solstice]

Since SBS go with Maids, you can't remove Alice from Maids (or at least substitute in Mana).

[crisp scaffold]

Alice during fire-weak destroys SBS

and SBS doesn't help Alice

In that case, maid duo disappears

[spiral solstice]

Crown can join Rapipi.

Which destroys Alice.

[crisp scaffold]

Crown and Rapi have terrible synergy tho

Diluted buffs

[spiral solstice]

No?

Rapi only likes one thing.

Ammo.

Ammo > damage taken > atk > atk dmg.

[crisp scaffold]

Which Crown doesn't give

[spiral solstice]

Reload = ammo.

Sure, you can go Crown Privaty with SBS Alice.

Now Rapipi joins Maids.

What's the problem?

[amber saffron]

Crown with rapipi is good wdym

[spiral solstice]

Either way, both of them are played.

Both Maids and Crown.

[crisp scaffold]

Alice has way better synergy with Crown

than Rapi

Crown is "good" with anyone

[spiral solstice]

Yes and no?

Alice gets ATK and reload from Crown. Rapi gets ATK and reload from Crown.

Both need ATK and both need ammo.

[crisp scaffold]

Crown/Privaty gives Alice away larger ceiling boost than for Rapi

[amber saffron]

Anyways crown Naga should still be better for all AI and all of Campaign bosses, keep the duo SS and demote the others

I agree with the tiering here, t1 crown naga
T2 maids, helmT, grave, Mari, Tiga
T3 bunnies, srosa

[spiral solstice]

Correct.

Because Rapi is better in 2-support setups.

Privaty slot pressure.

[crisp scaffold]

Also because Alice loses tons of damage from reloads

[amber saffron]

Bro privaty is dead now

[spiral solstice]

No, Maids should be SSS.

[spiral solstice]

Not in campaign.

[crisp scaffold]

[amber saffron]

Don't do braindead moment

[spiral solstice]

Cus they need to stack.

[modern oriole]

Priv is when I put my doro in for water raid

[spiral solstice]

Bossing at least.

Must be SSS.

[crisp scaffold]

98% usage is dead

[cursive drift]

after crown/x are the maids the best duo in the game?

[spiral solstice]

Privaty is considered slot pressure.

Only if her benefit outweights every other support will she be used.

[amber saffron]

Dude SS is fine, SSS is too much

You literally showed that tiga is better on core cuz anchor burst drops the buffs too much, one unit funnel can't be sss

[modern oriole]

That's pre anchor mast

[spiral solstice]

In this case, Privaty + Crown OP for Alice, and this was her Raid.

[modern oriole]

Used specifically for crown priv

[cursive drift]

the issue with the tier list honestly is that crown is SSSS tier

[crisp scaffold]

Yes, which still potentially stands

[spiral solstice]

Privaty also gives ATK buff which is diluted for Rapipi.

[modern oriole]

Water raid can prob show priv doro

[spiral solstice]

Alice feels her buff much more than Rapipi, so Privaty + Rapipi means Privaty is slot pressure. Might as well use Maxwell.

[crisp scaffold]

Even with Anchor and Mast, if we get a fire buffer better for Alice than the damage SBS provides, RIP maids

cuz SBS is out

[spiral solstice]

More dilution needs stronger buff to feel more effect.

Also why RH was used with Rapipi although it was a bit unoptimal.

[amber saffron]

Understand the fact that crown is a metric of comparison

Mari and Grave buff piercer units better than crown can, but that doesnt mean you place them sss

Niche-r buffers drop to SS, crown remains top
They can't compare to crown flexibility

[spiral solstice]

Maids are best support for all SBS, Alice, and Rapipi.

[amber saffron]

Im saying to keep crown uptop and drop naga to ss as well

[crisp scaffold]

Crown as a single unit is matched in flexibility for sure

[spiral solstice]

Discounting Crown.

[spiral solstice]

Maids > Solo Crown in bossing.

[crisp scaffold]

Tia/Naga is better for Rapi imo

[spiral solstice]

Maids is not niche.

Maids is flexible as fuck.

Was Tia Naga niche?

[reef swallow]

you need 2 units to beat a solo unit and you call that not niche

LOL

[spiral solstice]

Blanc Noir?

[amber saffron]

how

Bro crown buffs 3 units

[spiral solstice]

3 unit setups have always been suboptimal.

Raids are mostly 2 DPS.

[crisp scaffold]

Not anymore

[spiral solstice]

SBS Alice, Cindy XMidden, etc.

[amber saffron]

[spiral solstice]

XMidden is an exception.

[crisp scaffold]

RH deals damage even as B1

Grave deals damage

[cursive drift]

i guess we need to compromise and they are SSs tier

[crisp scaffold]

Viper deals damage

Helm deals damage

[spiral solstice]

I'm sure SBS Alice with Maids will still deal similar damage to Crown XLud.

[crisp scaffold]

We're slowly moving to full DPS meta

Cuz bosses aren't lethal enough

[amber saffron]

Just don't place them sss tier, and we gucci

Theres like a week to this so i hope you'll understand but regardless you're right about some stuff here

[spiral solstice]

They are SSS tier.

Unless proven otherwise.

Proven otherwise = check after release.

[crisp scaffold]

lol

[spiral solstice]

But from eyeballing, they are definitely SSS.

[reef swallow]

xd

[amber saffron]

@crystal chasm just read up from here

[crisp scaffold]

Kisenix pre-release bad take

[spiral solstice]

In the way that Tiga broke the game.

[crisp scaffold]

The usual

[daring isle]

[spiral solstice]

Never?

I said Cindy was weak because of her numbers. She was bugged.

So I was right.

[crisp scaffold]

inb4 wanting to reset maids during nge collab part 2

[spiral solstice]

I was not lying.

[crisp scaffold]

[spiral solstice]

As soon as Cindy number doubled, she became OP.

That's 30-35% additional damage btw.

[crisp scaffold]

I'm not talking about Cindy

[amber saffron]

Cindy was like top 2 even before she got fixed

Tf dym

[spiral solstice]

She was already bugged.

Since she was released.

No one knew how strong or weak she was, if she had half Burst.

[crisp scaffold]

Her numbers pre-release were already top tier

[spiral solstice]

Everything was theoretical.

[crisp scaffold]

[spiral solstice]

And with theoretical,

you can also cut her damage by 30-35%.

Because that's HALF her Burst Damage.

Now you go in game.

Play with her.

Reduce her damage by 25-35%.

You get your results.

That's practical results (while still theoretical but now only half theoretical).

Ok, let's assume last raid.

She hit 1-1.1B for me.

She would deal 0.7B damage-ish.

Rapipi dealt 3.6B btw.

[modern oriole]

Elemented and 5 part splash

[spiral solstice]

Alice hit 2B.

For me and that was bricked.

[crisp scaffold]

[spiral solstice]

That's before Crown sir.

[amber saffron]

Still not sss

[reef swallow]

[spiral solstice]

She was SSS before Crown.

[amber saffron]

No

Never

[crisp scaffold]

One raid

[spiral solstice]

SS sure.

[crisp scaffold]

Her feature

[spiral solstice]

SS-SSS.

[crisp scaffold]

[amber saffron]

No sss

[simple walrus]

easy skip guys?

[spiral solstice]

SSS.

[simple walrus]

[spiral solstice]

She had damage.

[amber saffron]

[spiral solstice]

Bro, Kira literally used her.

[modern oriole]

Tbh they dropped like 4x b2s that power crept immediately after

[spiral solstice]

Against Land Eater.

[amber saffron]

Sss unit that got powercrept within 2 months is crazy

[modern oriole]

At time of release rem was a solid b2 for sure

[crisp scaffold]

Do you know what "perma" means?

[spiral solstice]

Cus Crown was game breaking?

[crisp scaffold]

Crown is perma SSS

[spiral solstice]

If Rem was level 2 boss, Crown is level 7.

[amber saffron]

Gamebreaking to throw an sss unit down 4 teams?

[spiral solstice]

Her reload buff is what makes her stupid.

[cursive drift]

ah poor rem useless after 1 raid

[spiral solstice]

That's due to slot pressure.

[crisp scaffold]

What does SSS mean if not game breaking?

[daring isle]

i will have 300 in April @celest monolith

[spiral solstice]

She was never preferred over Tiga.

[daring isle]

[spiral solstice]

She is solo.

[amber saffron]

Then she wasnt sss

[spiral solstice]

and still worse than Tiga.

[amber saffron]

Bro

If she isnt the best she isnt sss

How is it so hard to understand

[spiral solstice]

Having 3 DPS doesn't mean shit.

[wooden prairie]

at time of release, rem was a buffer healer attacker in 1 slot

[crisp scaffold]

Not even a good healer tho

[wooden prairie]

problem now is her "buffing" is not big enough compared to these big ass numbers now

[modern oriole]

Before we instantly got like 4 new b2s

[crisp scaffold]

Like, I C7'd and 10/10/10'd her

[amber saffron]

Problem is that she had no one to buff

[spiral solstice]

Exactly. We lacked healers back then too.

[crisp scaffold]

Still have her that way

Never would call her more than S

[spiral solstice]

This is true.

Her ATK buff is low and no ATK DMG.

If Rem now gives 100% ATK,

she would be used.

[crisp scaffold]

Rem can also lose stacks and brick herself

[wooden prairie]

probably need another defender RL giga DPS

so that the caster's attack goes a bit further

[amber saffron]

Rem has like 60% atk buff for RLs with self damage

Yet shes only used over blanc noir like 2 times in history and that too only in her own element

Hence she wasnt even better than blanc noir

[spiral solstice]

Not 60%.

But whatever.

[wooden prairie]

they gotta cahnge rem's 50% caster's attack buff to 50% damage taken buff

ez fix

[spiral solstice]

ATK ▲ 50.78% of caster's ATK for 10 sec.

It's way too low now.

It was good back then.

[amber saffron]

42% atk then

[crisp scaffold]

Anyway, I'm convinced this duo is guaranteed use in all raids

[amber saffron]

Good for 1 raid bruh

[spiral solstice]

Too broken.

[wooden prairie]

im p sure this maid duo is really good

[spiral solstice]

She has damage.

50% is too much.

[crisp scaffold]

Rem had 75% usage in Land Eater, so two raids

[spiral solstice]

Even Mari with 40.99% is meta.

For non Piercers.

LMAO.

But well she doesnt have burst gen too.

Maybe 50% is ok.

As a tradeoff.

[wooden prairie]

before you had like 4 sources of ammo support - crown, noir, privaty, b. alice, but realistically only crown and privaty worked good for alice.

now we got maids

[spiral solstice]

Now u have Maids too.

[wooden prairie]

[spiral solstice]

Yeah.

[crisp scaffold]

This is the competition for maid duo

[spiral solstice]

Now we can satisfy both Alice and Rapipi.

[wooden prairie]

[spiral solstice]

Who both want ammo.

[crisp scaffold]

Tough industry, B2

[spiral solstice]

Volume Blanc Rapipi Noir RH last raid.

Was a quite shit comp.

It worked because there was nothing better.

That team suffered from slot pressure.

Only 1 DPS.

Oh, so is 1 DPS worse than 3 DPS?

[crisp scaffold]

Bunnies are definitely threatened by maids

[wooden prairie]

feels like the 5 general teams is just
Crown
Tia Naga
Blanc Noir
Grave
M. Mast M. Anchor

[amber saffron]

There is no threat

[crisp scaffold]

I agree with Snake that they're the comparison point

[spiral solstice]

Bunnies are gone lmao.

[amber saffron]

Bunnies are dead now

[wooden prairie]

how are bunnies gone

lol

[spiral solstice]

Tiga now goes to SG team.

Those SR bosses never have core.

[amber saffron]

There is no way bunnies come back

There is one way and that's if theyre used over tiga or mari

[wooden prairie]

ok so theres still 5 teams

u guys thinking of mari + mana?

[amber saffron]

Mana?

[spiral solstice]

For what?

[wooden prairie]

wait

nvm i meant s rosanna

[spiral solstice]

Wind weak?

[wooden prairie]

but u guys just want solo mari?

[spiral solstice]

Wind weak Maids SBS Mana might be good idk.

[amber saffron]

I think yeah

Mari for piercers is ×1.8

[spiral solstice]

Maids SBS Mana then you can run Crown Naga Alice

Cus u need Blanc Noir in SG team

for That wind element

[late glacier]

yappsenix research is so nice without

[reef swallow]

did this guy just said maids and mana in the same sentence

[crisp scaffold]

Only for healing

[spiral solstice]

Wow u hate me

[crisp scaffold]

Drake kills Noir, no?

[amber saffron]

Maybe guilty dead

[wooden prairie]

who uses guilty

[amber saffron]

Tove blanc noir bsoda drake

[spiral solstice]

Guilty is dead since 100000 eons ago

Tove Blanc Noir BSoda Drake goat now

for wind weak

[crisp scaffold]

Tove/Guilty/B Soda/Noir/Drake

[spiral solstice]

other element

is either

[crisp scaffold]

Just Blanc dead

[spiral solstice]

Tove Tiga BSoda Drake

or

Tove Tiga BSoda PrivM

or

Tove Leona BSoda PrivM Drake

[wooden prairie]

i feel like tove tiga b soda drake/m.priv is cleaner

[amber saffron]

Dont bully me im right

The only sg release since then is drake

[spiral solstice]

Kira wasted 48000 union chips.

Only whales can do that.

[amber saffron]

Only rank 1 union members can do that*

[spiral solstice]

Or is it 80000.

[cursive drift]

lol

[crisp scaffold]

Not like the dupes matter that much.

[spiral solstice]

It does.

A LOT.

[amber saffron]

Gear matters more

[crisp scaffold]

Her main power is from copying ATK

[amber saffron]

But yeah

[spiral solstice]

Her ATK also matters.

[crisp scaffold]

The rest of her kit is terribad

[spiral solstice]

That's like saying Alice dupe doesn't matter.

Because Alice gets ATK from Crown.

and Liter.

and Maxwell.

[crisp scaffold]

No, cuz Alice has her own steroid

[spiral solstice]

Just example.

[crisp scaffold]

Also LB0 to C1 isn't that big

[spiral solstice]

No matter the dilution, it has more impact.

[crisp scaffold]

C7, sure

[spiral solstice]

And its more felt

as you rise in the ranks

literally at certain point

you will realize

cores/limitbreaks are a huge fucking gatekeep

[crisp scaffold]

Kira's power is primarily from skill

[spiral solstice]

And thinking.

He approaches everything methodically.

He does math.

[crisp scaffold]

I have plenty of C7 units and I don't autowin

[spiral solstice]

Obviously you all know he does.

Because you don't have Kira

[crisp scaffold]

[spiral solstice]

's skills.

[crisp scaffold]

In my case it's poor rock use

93% ele Phantom

[spiral solstice]

My score was 3.7B alone when I played. When Sin played it was 3.4B.

Skill does matter.

This was minmaxing.

I got 3B more.

It took 10-15 mins.

To know how to minmax.

And everyone's minmaxing is different.

[crisp scaffold]

Mhm

[spiral solstice]

Should I delay? Should I rush?

I got more damage delaying.

Sin got more damage delaying.

That NA guy got more damage rushing.

Dondon.

So raid is not only about copying teams.

[crisp scaffold]

Copying teams actually can be destructive

[spiral solstice]

It can be.

People were coping with 2B.

4/4/4.

[crisp scaffold]

Most of my union can't remotely attempt top team comps

[wooden prairie]

baldsenix

[modern oriole]

Tbh dupes r pretty good cuz they're base stats

[crisp scaffold]

PESU MY comps usually yield more

[spiral solstice]

I will probably post my comps.

Sorry, run.

[modern oriole]

U get % more of your steroid and buffs

[spiral solstice]

On YouTube.

[crisp scaffold]

Dupes help, but they're only icing on the cake

[spiral solstice]

There's a lot of minmaxing.

[modern oriole]

It's only diluted by casters atk

[spiral solstice]

And it's far from perfect.

When I am talking about Maids, there is a lot of minmaxing you can do with them.

[crisp scaffold]

They won't save bad play, bad rolls, bad skill investment

[spiral solstice]

Maid is really good for Alice and Rapipi.

[modern oriole]

I mean ~20% can be quite a bit, they won't carry you to first but will definitely add up

If u take 2 kira 1 without dupe its a pretty substantial difference

[daring isle]

Just get 8 black lines

You dont need dupes

[modern oriole]

The black lines multiply with dupe

[crisp scaffold]

For DPS units, sure

[modern oriole]

Ur lines are x% stronger

[late glacier]

[cursive drift]

you need 8 black lines with the dupes

[celest bane]

Treasured Helm for T2?

[spiral solstice]

It is easy to count.

[daring isle]

Just curse your opponent dont have any lines

[spiral solstice]

Just cut 10 copies off.

[modern oriole]

I'm the cursed one

[reef swallow]

@mild plaza

[spiral solstice]

22.22%

[crisp scaffold]

Anchor and Helm are Supporters, so that 20% is only 13.33% when looking at proper DPS

[spiral solstice]

If you hit 12B in Raid,

with zero dupes.

You would get 14.4B with core 7 everything.

Now don't forget to add console buffs too.

Because they are fucked.

[mild plaza]

definitely what he does

[modern oriole]

My low dupe rh in mirror chamber not 1shotting slippers

[daring isle]

I don't curse anyone

[spiral solstice]

Yeah and those minmax breakpoints too

[modern oriole]

Needed more atk rolls

[mild plaza]

totally

[spiral solstice]

there were plenty last raid

lmaoooooo

I kept leaving wings at 5% HP and gave up

[crisp scaffold]

2.4B isn't big when you consider that Cindy from 4/4/4 to 10/10/10 alone does that

[spiral solstice]

HAHAHHAHAHAHA

they didnt respawn

HAHAHAHAHAH

I was like ffs

I need more skill levels to clear them

I didnt up

[daring isle]

I only curse the one who stole my wallet 5 years ago die everyday

[spiral solstice]

[modern oriole]

Just crit fish like I did with slippers

[daring isle]

Even his/her family

[spiral solstice]

Also my Rapipi needed ammo

[mild plaza]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124757580242223256/1252651200755666954/birboahkekkke.gif

[spiral solstice]

she kept reloading just before her burst

like what the mf

so I rerolled for more ammo

minmaxing like this

[daring isle]

Just say u hate black

They give u black

[spiral solstice]

its quite small stuff

[daring isle]

[spiral solstice]

and very specific to

[daring isle]

You will become what you hate most

[spiral solstice]

what I need is not what u need

and vice versa

[crisp scaffold]

Don't have to fish anymore! Just use Miranda

[modern oriole]

I'm pretty sure they give me jail

[spiral solstice]

Miranda good for pvp

[modern oriole]

[spiral solstice]

smh

broken as fuck

[celest monolith]

Nice, I know you have been buying rock packs

[spiral solstice]

what is Emilia crit 100%?

[daring isle]

[spiral solstice]

That is stupid

[celest monolith]

[spiral solstice]

Fucking hell

[mild plaza]

ayy yoo

[daring isle]

No I saved from last raid

[celest monolith]

Very sus

[spiral solstice]

@crisp scaffold Btw if I annoy u im sorry

[celest monolith]

I want wanna see 12 african lines Snow White

[daring isle]

In your dream

[celest monolith]

Do et

Nega lines

[crisp scaffold]

Not at all I enjoy the conversations

[spiral solstice]

many people here didnt

[crisp scaffold]

More minds means wider perspective and more possibilities to discover

[spiral solstice]

nah I was being overly serious and cold

but thats just how I am when it comes to right and false (sometimes)

in public places at least

[crisp scaffold]

Need next week to come faster

I want to empty my resources

[daring isle]

[crisp scaffold]

[spiral solstice]

you said you had no skill lines

[reef swallow]

i need to blow my resources too

[spiral solstice]

sorry

I mean reosurces

[crisp scaffold]

When? I have plenty

Gear exp is want I'm always broke on

[celest monolith]

So 1shot lv3 Hard Heavy Metal leggo?

[crisp scaffold]

If you mean the Mana thread, that's my alt that's low on skill mats cuz F2P life sucks

[celest monolith]

U got Tr2 Miranda alr

[crisp scaffold]

Main account never runs out cuz I buy all skill mat bundles

[daring isle]

HM is Wind Weak

[spiral solstice]

I didnt pull Mana yet

[spiral solstice]

damn

[crisp scaffold]

[spiral solstice]

whale

[celest monolith]

Iron weak

Oi

[modern oriole]

time to 1shot gd for UR

[celest monolith]

U smoke

[modern oriole]

on hard mode

[celest monolith]

[daring isle]

Read the tweet again

[spiral solstice]

speaking of which, N3x, Shinonono blocked me. Heh fun.

@celest monolith u got S9 intecepts?

[celest monolith]

Got but I'm lazy doing

[spiral solstice]

u think Maids will make any of them easier?

[celest monolith]

Where tweet

[spiral solstice]

hey now we can do Maids on Nihilister

[daring isle]

LOL u live in ice ages or what

Defrosting

[celest monolith]

[spiral solstice]

wait

its still 1 week

were doomed

more mats

[simple walrus]

So new duo barely bunnies tier

Nice

[spiral solstice]

wtf

no

@amber saffron ok I agree with us putting Maids in SS but everyone must be demoted

like everyone

[cursive drift]

summer rosaria stocks dropping rn ss tier on nikke.gg

[celest monolith]

[fluid oar]

who?

[spiral solstice]

Maids

[celest monolith]

Ok then 1shot GD

[simple walrus]

Rosaria

A new nikke

[celest monolith]

[simple walrus]

Incoming

[spiral solstice]

Blancs will go to S

Blanc Mari Sros will go to S.

or Mari can stay

Why is she SS

@amber saffron meh we have to fix this Doro shudnt be SS anymore

[cursive drift]

all my waifus are dy ing

[celest monolith]

Doro should be A tier imo

Not even S worthy

[spiral solstice]

nah S is fine.

[tight barn]

Massive prydwen tierlist rework incoming

[spiral solstice]

shes not unusable

[cursive drift]

perfect s tier considering she is not just used in water but also other raids still

parts raid

[celest monolith]

Still A

You aren't getting much from her for 3 seasons alr

Her usage dipped

[cursive drift]

i think she was used literally last raid

[blazing latch]

How do your rankings work if A tier is 'unusable'?

[cursive drift]

a tier has a bunch of niche nikke but you can also call them cope nikke

[tight barn]

looking forward to SSS tier RH on B1 bossing

[amber saffron]

[cursive drift]

is this still an a tier?

[amber saffron]

Why are u demoting tiga grave mari

[cursive drift]

she looks dead rn idk

[celest monolith]

SG can be build with a healer

[amber saffron]

She's in A tier?

[celest monolith]

Though she sucks

[cursive drift]

s tier

[amber saffron]

I mean casual perspective they dont wanna bald or die without heals so they should use b.alice in tove

[cursive drift]

yes true

i was just checking top 50 raids and didn't see her much

[late glacier]

just bald

[celest monolith]

Time to demote

[amber saffron]

Is it worth losing out on one full burst if her damage is now ×1.75

[celest monolith]

It's interchangeable

Though she will make a cumback

Because the next raid is water weak

[amber saffron]

Wotah raid

[celest monolith]

Doro with the parts dmg can help melting the parts

But that's pretty much 50% of what she does alr

[amber saffron]

Much needed part damage against nihilister UR with paper parts

[celest monolith]

[amber saffron]

They should give us insanely tanky parts

[celest monolith]

I just want Iron version of Material H

Actually top 3 of my favorite boss

[simple walrus]

Lvl 268 boss

We're so fucked

[spiral solstice]

I said no dip them

Tia tho

[crisp scaffold]

Above bunnies, even with Tiga imo

Tiga's coreless counterpart

[simple walrus]

Poor tiga

[crisp scaffold]

They're Rouge/X Maiden but SBS version

[simple walrus]

Nerfed cuz mg and sniper are broken when core is permanent

[crisp scaffold]

[spiral solstice]

Shud be

yeah

Tiga CrownHelm

rank

so Tia dropped to SS

[amber saffron]

Mari and grave are effectively better than tiga cuz if 113 iirc

[crisp scaffold]

Mari and Grave more restrictive tho

[amber saffron]

How

[spiral solstice]

Not much better

[amber saffron]

Better is better

[crisp scaffold]

Less DPS benefit from them

[amber saffron]

Keep them ss u nut

[crisp scaffold]

Grave at least has burst gen

[spiral solstice]

like Tiga was pretty equal for Blacksmith in UR than solo running Grave without knowing what to put in P5

[crisp scaffold]

But Mari outside of electric comp/pierce is meme

[amber saffron]

What a good comparison, double core

[crisp scaffold]

Rem would outdo her in water-weak

[spiral solstice]

Grave has pierce

double pierce

[amber saffron]

Anyways just dont do anything stupid

[simple walrus]

Ok Champs one question do we really need them?

[amber saffron]

Can always ask trix

[spiral solstice]

Reset or no.

[outer trout]

Are you a meta slave?

[simple walrus]

Because P1 is crown, p2-3 grave Mari, P4 tiga, P5 bunnies SG or bunnies elemental

[crisp scaffold]

That's not strictly true

[spiral solstice]

Hmm

[celest monolith]

I thought thestor whele

[spiral solstice]

now is more like

P1 Crown, P2 Maids, P3 Grave, P4 Mari/BlancNoir, P5 Tiga

[simple walrus]

Just I need to over invest 2 new b2

[cursive drift]

wtf how is tiga falling below blanc

[simple walrus]

So no thanks

I don't have enough books to 7/7/7 1 character lol

[spiral solstice]

@celest monolith propose new tier list or Iask Kira

[outer trout]

None of us do

[celest monolith]

Hmmm Drake's fav boosting hit rate might be very fun on the next Raid

[spiral solstice]

Yeah

[celest monolith]

Those who have 110% hit

[celest monolith]

U have the literal leviathan lol, why u need me

[spiral solstice]

Dont u need Leona too for damage distance

[crisp scaffold]

Can't concretely order supports to team damage order since there's so much variance

[spiral solstice]

im not whale

[celest monolith]

I mean Kira

[spiral solstice]

its not based on damage

but rather versatility and usefulness and impact kinda

[celest monolith]

SG team alr cfm usage this time around

[spiral solstice]

I woudl place Maids 2nd

because they have heals

[crisp scaffold]

What is impact other than damage?

[spiral solstice]

good luck healing grave comp

[crisp scaffold]

[spiral solstice]

without wasting 1 slot

or using Rouge

[crisp scaffold]

Yeah, this raid will be interesting cuz we'll probably need healing

Mat H one of the few scary bosses

[spiral solstice]

Sure I mean it can be Crown Grave Maids

but reasoning is same

those 3 are the most unlikely to be powercrept

[celest monolith]

I want iframe MatH

[crisp scaffold]

Grave outperformed Crown in highest scorer last raid

And in general for S19

[spiral solstice]

Grave is better than Mari tho

in most cases

or all?

[crisp scaffold]

Not all I think

It'll be interesting seeing B2 dynamics this time

Water having garbage for B3 selection throws things off

Easier to predict other elements

[spiral solstice]

Man not like this I hate my cp

[crisp scaffold]

Maids are definitely meant to be with SBS Alice this time imo

Although

100% reload is QeQ stonks

No stack loss

[simple walrus]

Nice crown free

[spiral solstice]

will I win with CP deficit

gonna mvoe Centi to P2 yolo

[unkempt swan]

Can't use aegis with mana, anchor steals buff

[spiral solstice]

oh ye

fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

they thought about it

[simple walrus]

Yeah with mana sbs has to be the only RL/SR

[coarse jasper]

Why Rouge in SS but DKW in SSS

It should be swapped

[coarse jasper]

Not all but yes most

Grave and Mari are far superior to to blanc and srosa tho so it feels criminal for them to be in the same tier

[spiral solstice]

True

[spiral solstice]

Did u calc Maids?

[coarse jasper]

Went to sleep after refactoring cause I have work rn

[spiral solstice]

You have work?

[coarse jasper]

Yeah I have a job

[unkempt swan]

[crisp scaffold]

S Rosa has been dead for a while

B2 just too competitive

I guess she's the best option for the Mari-less still tho

Collab units in a weird place since they can't be acquired anymore

[unkempt swan]

any chance srosa still used in wind-weak

[crisp scaffold]

I think she'd replace Mari, yeah, just for QTE

• Crown + New Units
• Maids + SBS
• Bunny SG
• Volume Grave ???
• S Rosanna S Sakura

Oh wait, Tiga

Maybe not

[wet radish]

Nvm i realised both are 40 seconds

[crimson gyro]

B2 the most competitive slot

Let's make one that takes 2

[vestal pasture]

So they're only good if having both Anchor and Mast?

[cursive drift]

best b2 after crown

[patent lance]

m.mast with m.anchor should be easy to full auto kraken stage 7 no?

just dont get hit with a stage 6 qte

[cursive drift]

anchor also does a lot of overhealing

[cursive drift]

should survive the nuke

[patent lance]

should be enough to tank it

is anchor skill 1 heal per burst or just her burst?

per burst right

[cursive drift]

every burst

as long as the squad mate condition is met

[patent lance]

cool then full auto kraken should be easier

[vestal pasture]

Classic "op" duo before collab, i'm not falling for this

[cursive drift]

should have enough pulls if you didn't pull on skips like mana or forgot to mileage rapi

[vestal pasture]

Cap

[cursive drift]

only cap if you played wrong

tons of free pulls and we got skip + mileage nikke

free saving

[vestal pasture]

You need to pull 2 units and depending on your luck it could take 100 or more for each

There's no "play better"

[cursive drift]

there is

[vestal pasture]

Only luck

[cursive drift]

you shouldn't have pulled recently

[vestal pasture]

Bruh Rapipi alt was literally a few weeks ago

[cursive drift]

mileage

if you pulled on a 1% you certainly missplayed

[vestal pasture]

Ok i'm out

[cursive drift]

you should

[vestal pasture]

Bro is actually trolling

[cursive drift]

pulling on a pilgrim you trolled yourself

that's literally what you should mileage

[patent lance]

any chance these new ones gets added to this or

[vestal pasture]

No

[patent lance]

now i have to swipe

[crimson gyro]

Just wishlist it

What else are you gonna put on elysion wishlist

[patent lance]

even if u put it on the wishlist it is like 1 in 15 chance?

[calm magnet]

Depending on the account one can be swimming in tickets. I know I do.

1/15 aint that bad when you have the volume.

[granite oar]

but you got a lot of standard tickets

"but but nikke is trash because 1% no soft pity"

meanwhile people casually mlb pilgrims from random stray pull

[patent lance]

sucks to be me i guess 0 standard tickets

[granite oar]

you get 10 every event

ez

[grand sand]

So are mast and anchor tiga 2.0 or -1.0

[wild elm]

No they focus on different thing, distributed damage and reload shiet

Currently few nikkes can use them

We prolly get new distributed dps soon

[calm magnet]

TLDR : really good for SBS Alice, it frees crown up for something else.

[crimson gyro]

idk why they randomly decided to start buffing more damage types

pierce damage up makes sense because pierce units usually do pierce damage

distributed and true dmg units still do a bunch of regular damage

[cursive drift]

don't forget true damage

not sure if shift up was serious or if that was some kind of joke

at least distributed damage is an actual thing we use

[wild elm]

is this combination of both mast and anchor?

[granite oar]

It's time to focus on niche dmg type and mono ele raid

I hope they can make debuffers become more relevant

[teal tiger]

yall think mast/anchor will be in sr?

[granite oar]

Yes

They free crown from sbs alice

[cursive drift]

a blessing from the gods

[teal tiger]

those time when 40 sec was use is biscuit and another b2 unit with sanis/scarlet lol. Didn't think it would come back again

40 sec b2 meta in sr sounds cool

and freeing crown? this deserve easily team 3 spot right?

if they can be onpar with her

[cursive drift]

team 2

crown team #1
maids team #2

sbs+alice+maids aren't losing to anything other than what crown pairs with

[granite oar]

they give distribute dmg boost for sbs and 100% cs for alice

crown can go with the other teams

she doesn't have to babysit alice anymore

[teal tiger]

so what did the math guy say about the dmg in total compare the two team

any noticeable difference or not much

[carmine sable]

electric beta
which other B2 usually to break ele shield

doro-B2 ele-biscuit-sanis-priv

last seen at storm bringer raid

[crisp scaffold]

We also had Folkwang/Aria and Noah/Poli in the olden days

[tight barn]

lmao, using those 2 on modernia raid is sure feels like one of the unexpected pairing from me a casual player pov

and folkwang/aria works extremely well

[cursive drift]

the good ol days where there are creativity and place for non conventional units

[cursive drift]

i believe we still have that shit you just have to invest into them like a madman

such as kira's guilty reaching #1 of the leaderboard

[crystal chasm]

what the

SSS

[simple walrus]

SSS is helm bond treasure

[idle kestrel]

sss just for this

[lapis lynx]

Did SHelm bond or Helm Treasure have one or has Mast completely overtaken her squadmate?

[hollow vector]

Two, actually, treasure episodes spoiler alert: ||it’s implied immediately at the first treasure episode with Helm. Commander is in bed with Helm also in it and her arms around Commander. Then they wake up and Helm takes a shower.||

No visuals, unfortunately, just text

More spoiler alert: ||Then one more at the end of the treasure episodes, with some romantic dialogue and essentially a promise to be together forever… with strong implications that they’re about to engage in exercise||

It’s pretty clear that if this game had such a thing as a “Helm route” for choices, it ends in certain marriage in some distant future if no mishaps. Now can Mast beat that?

[forest glade]

Probably not

[hazy prawn]

so basically Poli is still better to use as the B2 Elysion?

[crimson gyro]

Is using 2 slots for bootleg Crown that bad if the alternative is using an elysion unit in that second slot?

[spiral solstice]

More like bootleg Crown Helm

Should still be better than solo Crown

Maybe 5% more convenient than Crown XLud

BEST

• T1 - Crown Naga (core only)
• T2 - Crown Helm (best non-core for most comps)
• T2A - Maids (more universal but may not the best for some DPS; on some comps can beat Crown Helm potentially)
• T2B - Crown solo, Grave solo, Mari solo
• T3 - Tia Naga
• T4 - Blanc Noir

What I want to focus on is:

• Maids have one of the best QoL.
• Infinite ammo for bricked Alice and Rapipi.

For me, that makes it more valuable than anything else.

Tia Naga isn't bad per se if we only talk about damage, but that team has really poor QoL, bad burst gen, and most importantly slow rotation because 0.5s forced reenter. 13 rotations mean you waste 6.5s just waiting. You also lose 0.5s of your buffers' buffs because you want to gain the power boost in FB.

For all we know, when core does not exist, the value of Crown Helm and Maids will rise significantly.

[spiral solstice]

[patent lance]

so if crown takes top spot, maids 2nd, who takes 3rd? grave or mari?

[wild elm]

grave and mari same 2nd spot if u referring to that

maids are more niche than grave and mari but they are the best at that niche

[patent lance]

niche as in exclusive maids for sbs?

[wild elm]

for distributed dps and those that relies on reload speed

so SBS and Alice fit right into that

the closest ones to that of sbs alice in synergy would be Xlud-QuencyEQ

i think

other dps dont utilize maids kit to their best offer

[wild elm]

this less likely to happen since we want sbs alice to pair with the maids already, so for water they compensate it with HelmT into 3 b3(Xlud+HelmT+Flex), which pretty strong to go with solo Crown, so the pair no longer fit with Maids.

[weak folio]

I forgot 2B is distributed

I got 'er 8/8/8 to boot

When do we get Skill Resets?

[cursive drift]

anni/half anni are the guaranteed ones

[bright robin]

Does she really need Anchor? Does she pair with anyone else? I want to roll for her because she's hot but I'm not that interested in Anchor

[fluid oar]

it's like using blanc without rouge or noire

[bright robin]

Is there any other B2 40s unit she can pair with?

Sucks if I roll for her but not be able to use her

[weak wyvern]

It's the matter of Anchor controlling how drunk Mast is, and preventing her from completely wasting herself.

[wild elm]

its like using poli lol

like big buff, but stagnant

[idle kestrel]

don’t think there’s anyone that can consistently keep mast at 2 stacks instead of 3

[cursive drift]

this very specific effect of cleansing a stack of debuffs by 1 after the third burst cycle only exists in anchor

it is so specific i don't think any other nikke will get it in the future

[fleet onyx]

no

[lapis lynx]

Mast is hard tied to Anchor

Anchor can theoretically run without Mast

Especially since SHelm and Treasure Helm are both good units who meet her "same squad" requirement

[patent lance]

then the problem would be another b2, coz 40cd

[spiral solstice]

I wonder if it cleanses debuffs probably not

[granite oar]

so raid will be:
crown helm
maids
grave solo
mari solo
tiga with shotgun

[spiral solstice]

Crown Privaty might take lead.

Helm might be used as B3.

Outside Crown.

Such as Cindy Rouge Helm Blanc/Mari XMaiden.

Ah yes a variation of 2B-like team.

[spiral solstice]

For next raid, since no one would have P3 Helm, my guess is:

• [DWife] Crown SBS Alice Helm/Naga
• Cindy Rouge SAnis XLud (or XLud Midden)
• [Volume/Liter] Maids Rapipi (Helm/Max/RH)
• [Volume/Liter] Tiga/BlancNoir QQ XGuillo
• SG Team (Leona (Viper?)/Tiga?)

Or:

• Crown Rapipi (Max/XLud?) Helm
• Maids SBS Alice

Excluding:

• Miranda SW

[granite oar]

https://tenor.com/view/kiana-kaslana-herrscher-of-finality-hofinality-hofi-honkai-gif-27637316

[crisp scaffold]

I'll have P3 Helm, so plenty of others should

[hollow vector]

It wholly depends on if they kept collecting dispatches of redundant favorite item maintenance kits

I know someone unhappy that they forgot that the redundant kits exchange only works with max phase favorite items

Because of that, they came up short for the upcoming Solo Raid

[crisp scaffold]

Yeah, majority won't have her at Phase 3 for sure

I just expect a decent number of top players to have her ready

No way I'm the only one who'd been planning for the next treasure wave in advance

[hollow vector]

Starts Feb 5? So 11 days left

And I once again forgot its run duration

7 days?

So 17 or 18 days for you to have it ready if you want to benefit

[crisp scaffold]

And then we'll likely get at least a few of the items from solo raid rewards, too

[hollow vector]

Ah yes some might catch up with that RNG

Lucky

[crisp scaffold]

I'll actually have the exact amount I need on one account when it first starts

The other I think won't be ready until second to last day (ignoring RNG)

[crimson gyro]

Do any of the distributed damage units actually do mostly distributed damage?

[idle kestrel]

rn only sbs

[crimson gyro]

Doro and trony do damage based on regular damage and they also don't do damage, SBS doesn't benefit on her basic and I think one or two of the cut triggers and quency really cares about her core hit basics

What else is there

Why did they just airdrop the entire wind team

3 dedicated SBS supports that are useless in any other team in a row

So 3/5 of the meta wind team just got killed off

4/5 if you count rapi but rapi replaces someone in every team

Sakura simps in shambles

I'm sensing menacing vibrations, why would they update the entire wind team except for the oldest unit?

[idle kestrel]

ssakura was never meant to be paired with sbs nor meta. ssakura is only meta on bosses like heavy metal where it spams parts non stop with no pierce/core

[crimson gyro]

ssakura can't be meta while you're running a specialized SBS buffer like Alice but maybe she could compete if there was a new DPS that's strong enough to justify not running Alice/mana in every wind team

Is this what they're doing?

I'm trying to figure out shift ups evil plan

Are they spamming SBS units as bait before they drop a new wind DPS that can actually compete with her that allows you to run new unit + ssakura and maid mast gets benched?
Is it just them being nice to new players who joined around anniversary since they now have a really good team for at least one element?
Is it bait but instead of bricking your pulls they're trying to bait new players into farming kraken and getting walled by gear so they have to buy gear pickers?

https://tenor.com/view/robin-robin-hsr-hsr-honkai-star-rail-vrchat-gif-7350755098757630960

[forest glade]

Interesting release schedule. How y’all gonna test mast for a whole week while she’s perma bricked without anchor?

We need a different goddess of victory than sbs

[rough geode]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[late hornet]

SU makes sure every puller experiences her being drunk

[forest glade]

Was kinda leaning towards pulling her in the beginning but now I have absolutely no reason to

I’ll wait till anchor releases and the cope is calculated

[crisp scaffold]

Better to wait until solo raid anyway

Doesn't take more than 5 minutes to upgrade gear and skills. If the duo ends up somehow unused during SR, then can just wait until next unit kits to actually pull

[crystal chasm]

fine

take Scarlet: White Light

Water DPS Pilgrim

[forest glade]

Damn

New scarlet alt

For 2025

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-cry-one-piece-mid-mid-piece-one-mid-gif-3938984731501782050

[forest glade]

Scarlet fisherman arc

[crisp scaffold]

Scarlet: Goddess of Victory

Just make Scarlet what Vira is in Granblue Fantasy

[cursive drift]

honestly they could be a lot nicer to new players

i think they are fucked as it is

[fluid oar]

implying gachas get new players on y2+

[cursive drift]

plenty of them do

if you make a new account you will get grouped with hundreds of new players

if you visit #questioning-centre you will always see new players asking questions

what is this clueless take that there are none?

[weak gull]

meme question: is Crown Naga is better in hard mode push than Crown Helm? the problem is you no longer have cover repair

plus the healing is nowhere near as good unless you use helm burst skill

[spiral solstice]

yes most of the time

I think Helm wins in cp padding

[hollow vector]

Sort of. You probably can still clear as far as Naga anyway, but it’s going to depend on the deficit. Naga seems like she will help you beat at higher deficit

The main reason I say sort of is because treasured Helm offers faster burst gen and a guarantee of always triggering Crown’s S2 even if the team is heavily damaged

So I’m not sure how that’ll shake out in practice

And, I have to say, I think treasured Helm will absolutely have higher power than Naga if everything else is equal, just because of power padding from the treasure

So, yeah.. I can’t say with certainty that the player “already lost”

(I assume you mean going into Full Burst with Helm as winggirl)

[primal cedar]

Just use Crown Naga and HelmT

[patent lance]

U dont need repair and healing in hm coz u going to get one shot anyway?

[weak gull]

welp I had a few stages in 34 hard mode where having more burst gen helped more than the core damage
especially 34-6, that was stupid

[blazing latch]

I know it's low deficit, but I'm not getting one shot by everything at 30%

[idle kestrel]

30% is still rookie territory. people are constantly pushing 35-40% now

it also depend on the stage

love stages where the one shotting small rapture mobs are already charging up while you’re still waiting for the start animation to finish

so fair

[lapis lynx]

For those stages I've started immediately putting the entire team into cover except my RL / pierce SR burst gen unit, just so they don't die before the first burst is ready lol

[idle kestrel]

sometimes there’s multiple and they can shoot the same unit 2-3 times in a row and kill it outright

1st shot destroys cover

[blazing latch]

/shrug I don't have the OLs for that

[fleet onyx]

mast is tmr?

[desert yew]

Yeah

[simple walrus]

Not gonna lie, I wanna skip this duo

The real powercreep is coming later

[forest glade]

#events-schedule message

[simple walrus]

2024 B2 was really unfair, imma spit in SU soup if they decide to creep this duo with another broken b2

[forest glade]

Day after tomorrow

[forest glade]

They’re wishlistable

And the banners are also up during solo raid

Perfect time to see how good they are

[simple walrus]

I mean my problem is not pulling them

I have the pulls

My big problem is building them

You know what I mean

[forest glade]

lol

[simple walrus]

1 copy each sure is enough, yeah not a problem there

The problem start just after pulling them

[forest glade]

might as well wait for pilgrim in that case. But yea with the bullshit must use anchor requirement, this duo won’t last

[simple walrus]

1 character is ok but a duo

Cmon shift up

[forest glade]

A forced duo too

[simple walrus]

I just finished my rapi 2 weeks ago

[forest glade]

None of the other duos are forced

they still work

Mast will straight up be gone for 10s

Without anchor

lol

[simple walrus]

[crystal chasm]

hmm

if you use duo maids instead of Crown Naga on Kraken (SBS + Alice)
You lose 4.5% dmg

that shit crazed

back to Paris with my boy Ye then

[crisp scaffold]

Is that auto-Alice?

[crystal chasm]

4.0 as

[crisp scaffold]

Ah, so manual

I assume duo maids then actually beat Crown Naga if playing on full auto

Naga's core buffs would be significantly less helpful if Alice is only full charging

[crystal chasm]

Yep

Manual alice with core buff is slightly better, and i even assume sbs accesses core 100%

It doesnt work like that

[crisp scaffold]

Oh, that's assuming SBS has 100% core access? Maid duo stonks rising

Shift Up doesn't like giving us that