[Mast: Romantic Maid] New Unit Megathread

[granite oar]

[forest glade]

Luck is a skill

And I suffer from skill issue

[celest monolith]

Imagine getting cucked in these banners then Collab banners

[spiral solstice]

Ask Sin, I told him, "Rapi will go alone. Asuka Rei Mod will likely go together."

[celest monolith]

4 banners in a row

[forest glade]

Lmao yea who the f gonna reset blanc and brick PvP forever

[spiral solstice]

Then I told him Blanc Noir will join Rapi cus she needs ammo in this raid, and she will be used with either RH or Madwell.

[amber saffron]

Peak team buffs comparison (assumes core hits, target unit has no self buffs)

• Tia Naga = ×1.45 ×1.3211 ×1.[472×0.8333] = ×2.669
  Core damage buff × attack damage × ATK

• M.Mast rotation (with M.Anchor) =
  ×1.[(95+.35)×.833] ×1.15 ×1.126
  = ×2.4 for normal units
  ATK × Attack Damage × Crit buffs
  = 2.4 ×1.75
  = ×4.2 for dist dmg skills
  Damage buffs × Dist dmg up

• Mari = ×1{.3078×0.83} ×1[+.4099+.4099] = ×2.28
  ATK × (Pierce Damage + Attack Damage)

• Crown = ×1.[6451×0.666] ×1.5723 = ×2.248
  Attack buff × attack damage
  Crown Naga = 2.248×1.45 = ×3.25
  Crown total × Core hit buff
  Crown HelmT = ×1.[6451×0.666] ×1.[5723+.2787] = ×2.64693
  ATK buff × Attack Damage

• M.Anchor rotation (with M.Mast):
  ×1.[(.65+.35)×.8333] ×1.04
  = ×1.91 for normal units
  ATK × Crit buffs
  = ×1.91 ×1.75
  = ×3.34
  Damage buffs × Dist Dmg Up

• Blanc Noir = ×1.3926 ×1.1408 ×1.24 = ×1.97
  Damage taken × ATK buff × Damage buff due to Ammo for MGs(?)

• Grave = ×1[+.482+.3998] = ×1.8818
  Attack Damage + Pierce Damage

[spiral solstice]

The og comp was a slight miss:

• Liter Blanc Rapi Max Noir
• Volume Grave Asuka Rei Mod

Then Sin said:

• Volume Blanc Rapi Noir RH-B1
• Liter Grave Asuka Rei Mod

[forest glade]

So you’re telling me anchor and mast are the biggest buffers rn?

[wooden prairie]

tf u guys arguing about now

[spiral solstice]

Sir, use ATTACKER STAT BUFF

[lapis lynx]

Have people looked at running Ade as the other B2 to prevent the stun? Kinda meme but e.g. last raid could've run:

Cindy/Rouge/2B/Maid Mast/Ade

[spiral solstice]

Mast and Anchor are supports

[wooden prairie]

ade sux

[amber saffron]

I did

[spiral solstice]

Mast and Anchor are supports

[lapis lynx]

Oh right she'll block the drunk stacks

Was focused on the stun

[amber saffron]

I did

[lapis lynx]

I guess if 40s the stun doesn't matter

[amber saffron]

×.89

[spiral solstice]

And u need to do +1

[forest glade]

This is why I said I’ll rely on molds and free pulls. I never pulled on ade and look at this shit

[spiral solstice]

What

[idle kestrel]

doro with full reload speed is nice but still no ammo reduction

[spiral solstice]

Hows it 0.89x

[wooden prairie]

i think doro deadge deadge now

[spiral solstice]

Are u using SR 15 doll stat?

The fuck

[forest glade]

When was doro ever alive

[granite oar]

My wife is useless 😭

[idle kestrel]

doro has dist damage

[amber saffron]

Isnt support ×.89 of attacker??

[spiral solstice]

0.83333x with no doll

[lapis lynx]

Doro with SBS is fine enough

Doro/Crown/SBS/Alice/Priv

Probably not the most meta but viable for people who want to use her / lack other B1 options

[spiral solstice]

Doll slightly increases it a bit

[granite oar]

She was before dkw

[amber saffron]

Are u sure its .83

Iirc it was .89

[spiral solstice]

0.8333333x iirc

[proud vault]

[spiral solstice]

And defender is 0.6666667

[amber saffron]

Nuh uh

[proud vault]

how we cooking?

[amber saffron]

.89

[spiral solstice]

BRO LOOK AT UR NAGA FORMULA

U LITERALLY WROTE 0.833333

URSELF

[forest glade]

As you can see people are arguing meth

[amber saffron]

xd

[spiral solstice]

U MOR-

[forest glade]

gonna take a while

[granite oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986208465716408330/1312779763043008572/IMG_8865.gif

[daring isle]

Rem prob is gonna useful on next Cindy comp

Water for qte and rl atk buff

[spiral solstice]

Ok let me do quick math

[celest monolith]

Kisenic taking meth for math

[lusty fiber]

Maybe just hope collab is shit at this point.

[celest monolith]

SU needs money so...

[hidden hornet]

idk im skipping these 2

[fluid oar]

nah they know people are suffering from eva fatigue
so high chance they will make them busted to help the sales

[granite oar]

[celest monolith]

They have been bombarding banners after banners at this point lol

[amber saffron]

Peak team buffs comparison (assumes core hits, target unit has no self buffs)

• Tia Naga = ×1.45 ×1.3211 ×1.[472×0.8333] = ×2.669
  Core damage buff × attack damage × ATK

• M.Mast rotation (with M.Anchor) =
  ×1.[(95+.35)×.833] ×1.15 ×1.126
  = ×2.4 for normal units
  ATK × Attack Damage × Crit buffs
  = 2.4 ×1.75
  = ×4.2 for dist dmg skills
  Damage buffs × Dist dmg up

• Mari = ×1{.3078×0.83} ×1[+.4099+.4099] = ×2.28
  ATK × (Pierce Damage + Attack Damage)

• Crown = ×1.[6451×0.666] ×1.5723 = ×2.248
  Attack buff × attack damage
  Crown Naga = 2.248×1.45 = ×3.25
  Crown total × Core hit buff
  Crown HelmT = ×1.[6451×0.666] ×1.[5723+.2787] = ×2.64693
  ATK buff × Attack Damage

• M.Anchor rotation (with M.Mast):
  ×1.[(.65+.35)×.8333] ×1.04
  = ×1.91 for normal units
  ATK × Crit buffs
  = ×1.91 ×1.75
  = ×3.34
  Damage buffs × Dist Dmg Up

• Blanc Noir = ×1.3926 ×1.1408 ×1.24 = ×1.97
  Damage taken × ATK buff × Damage buff due to Ammo for MGs(?)

• Grave = ×1[+.482+.3998] = ×1.8818
  Attack Damage + Pierce Damage

[idle kestrel]

this is post IPO shift up

[lusty fiber]

Feb-Mar collab are shit for the past 2 years. It can't be good this year

[idle kestrel]

[amber saffron]

Ok worse than tiga but idk how to factor in reload buffs

[spiral solstice]

• Mast rotation:
  (1 + (1.30 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.2 × 0.5) + (0.15 × 0.9))) = 4.874×
• Mast rotation for SBS:
  4.874 × 1.75 = 8.351×

[fleet onyx]

what’s da conclusion

[hidden hornet]

10/10/10 investment duo with a specific buff like distributed dmg I cba

[lapis lynx]

Emilia and Rem are both gonna be relevant this raid for people who have raised them tbh

[hidden hornet]

not like im going for top 100 anyway

[amber saffron]

Pull the duo

[lapis lynx]

Cindy/Rouge/Emilia/Rem/RH or some shit

[granite oar]

They ipo now

[fleet onyx]

are they worth dupe?

[amber saffron]

At worse its bunnies at best its between mari/tiga

[granite oar]

That's the difference

[amber saffron]

Its bunny creep easily

[fluid oar]

it's distributed damage right
will doro be saved?

[amber saffron]

Not sure check damage output and see

[daring isle]

Doro needs ammo cut

[lapis lynx]

Doro needs Priv which means can't run a 40s B2

[lusty fiber]

Reset dorothy. She's shit now

[celest monolith]

Why Doro needs to be saved eh. Let her fade into obscurity

[spiral solstice]

• Mast rotation (no core):
  (1 + (1.30 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.2 × 0.5) + (0.15 × 0.9))) = 4.874×

• For SBS:
  4.874 × 1.75 = 8.351×

• Anchor rotation (no core):
  (1 + (0.65 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.2 × 0.5))) = 3.368×

• For SBS: Do it yourself.

[daring isle]

Doro has a place in meta

Meme meta

[hidden hornet]

the bench

[daring isle]

Best nikke meme

[hidden hornet]

[reef swallow]

shino and kisenix fighting for the worst takes

[daring isle]

[celest monolith]

[daring isle]

Time to save for April SR

[spiral solstice]

BUFF COMPARISON VERY ROUGH
A bit inaccurate. This does not assume dilution from the attacker's kit themselves.

• Mast rotation (no core):
  (1 + (1.30 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.2 × 0.5) + (0.15 × 0.9))) = 4.874×

• For SBS:
  4.874 × 1.75 = 8.351×

• Anchor rotation (no core):
  (1 + (0.65 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.2 × 0.5))) = 3.368×

• For SBS: Do it yourself.

• Tia Naga (no core):
  (1 + (0.472 × 0.833)) × 1.3211 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3)) = 3.312×

[daring isle]

Iron surely

[celest monolith]

Water

[amber saffron]

Still skip imo

Too niche, no

[celest monolith]

[amber saffron]

Funnel into sbs so hard

This is for raiders

[celest monolith]

Iron until 3rd anni

[round kettle]

[celest monolith]

[fluid oar]

they just need to release more distributed damage units
that aren't sbs of course

[daring isle]

I love how they make the best elemental in the game wait for ages

[round kettle]

Liter mast sbs mana anchor?

[amber saffron]

That's what we said when elegg was released

[daring isle]

And made Electric rule the game

[round kettle]

Literally one wonder sbs for wind weak raids

[celest monolith]

Electric best yes

[amber saffron]

No mana

[granite oar]

Water

[lapis lynx]

Eva will be new Wind Supremacy

[celest monolith]

Eva is water

[round kettle]

Oh yea no mana she doesn’t drop sbs charge speed if anchor there

[daring isle]

Water is coming back

[celest monolith]

[round kettle]

So liter mast sbs Alice anchor

[daring isle]

Helm treasure OP

[hidden hornet]

these weren't limited right?

[daring isle]

Laplace treasure overrated

[granite oar]

Back to Fortnite

[daring isle]

[amber saffron]

Dude
100% reload speed and bunny lvl buffs for alice

[lapis lynx]

New Eva Boss looks very yellow and iron coded

[amber saffron]

Trust

[round kettle]

So it’s a pull but useful only on one team?

[celest monolith]

Ok so Wind

[amber saffron]

Yes

[round kettle]

Like you need giga investment for just one team

[hidden hornet]

Counterpoint: my Alice sucks

[celest monolith]

But we won't be seeing Iron SR anytime soon

[granite oar]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-blaster-world-roblox-gif-8467683462000319668

[amber saffron]

Its like

Xmaiden s.anis rouge

But for sbs

[lusty fiber]

Iron raid in april

[daring isle]

I love how they fuck us with tons of 10/10/10

Rouge Cindy XMaiden Rapi

[round kettle]

It’s not guaranteed

[daring isle]

Miranda Drake Helm

[round kettle]

Knowing ShiftUp they gonna yeet it

[daring isle]

Now new duo

[celest monolith]

I believe in u

[round kettle]

Sigh I don’t have resources to invest for one team

[daring isle]

Last Iron character was BSoda btw

[celest monolith]

Best gamer in SEA

[daring isle]

[fluid oar]

it's another people complaining about shitgun investment all over again

[granite oar]

And still the same skill mats income. What is this inflation economy in nikke

[fluid oar]

i member the days

[celest monolith]

Lol

[hidden hornet]

I mean Rapi kinda is tho

chat moved as I clicked reply

[lusty fiber]

Wait for OS anis. Iron

2.5 anniv

[celest monolith]

Chime wdym

[granite oar]

Anni = chime

[celest monolith]

[daring isle]

Iron always took place in anni anw

[lusty fiber]

Chime is free

[daring isle]

RH Crown Rapi(S2)

[hidden hornet]

[daring isle]

Now RH dead

[granite oar]

[daring isle]

No more Iron content to milk

[round kettle]

Why are ShiftUp deliberately trolling us with no iron content

Not even coop

[daring isle]

" Guys, what do we need for anni "

" Wake the fuck up RH "

[granite oar]

Revive red hood

[celest monolith]

Nah Doro alt

[hidden hornet]

ded hood?

[round kettle]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1328302956042518538 daily reminder to join the talks

[spiral solstice]

BUFF COMPARISON VERY ROUGH
A bit inaccurate. This does not assume dilution from the attacker's kit themselves.

• Mast rotation (no core):
  (1 + (1.30 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.35 × 0.9))) = 5.066×

• For SBS: 4.874 × 1.75 = 8.351×

• Anchor rotation (no core):
  (1 + (0.65 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.4 × 0.5))) = 3.545×

• For SBS: 6.203×

• Tia Naga (no core):
  (1 + (0.472 × 0.833)) × 1.3211 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 3.4509×

• Tia Naga (core):
  (1 + (0.472 × 0.833)) × 1.3211 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + 2.25 + (0.15 × 0.5)) = 7.592×

• Mast rotation (core):
  (1 + (1.30 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.4 × 0.9)) = 7.569×
  For SBS: 13.24575×

• Anchor's rotation (core):
  (1 + (0.65 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.4 × 0.5))) = 5.318×
  For SBS: 9.3065×

• Crown Naga rotation:
  (1 + (0.6451 × 0.667)) × 1.5723 × (1 + 2.25 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 9.276×
  (1 × 1.5723 × (1 + 2.25 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 6.485×

• Crown (core, solo, 16.9s per S2 trigger):
  (1 + (0.6451 × 0.667)) × (1 + 0.3624 + 0.2099 × (7/16.9)) × (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 5.96×
  (1 × (1 + 0.3624 + 0.2099 × (7/16.9)) × (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 4.167×

• Crown (no core, solo, 16.9s per S2 trigger):
  (1 + (0.6451 × 0.667)) × (1 + 0.3624 + 0.2099 × (7/16.9)) × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 3.886×
  (1 × (1 + 0.3624 + 0.2099 × (7/16.9)) × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 2.717×

• Crown Helm (core):
  (1 + (0.6451 × 0.667)) × (1.5723 + 0.2787) × (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 7.611×
  (1 × (1.5723 + 0.2787) × (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 5.321×
  Crit rate S1 not included.

• Crown Helm (no core):
  (1 + (0.6451 × 0.667)) × (1.5723 + 0.2787) × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 4.963×
  (1 × (1.5723 + 0.2787) × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 3.470×

• Base:
  (1 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 1.875×

Does not include the fact that Maids have >= 110% reload speed. Crown does not have that (only ~44% + 29.69%).

[coarse jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-bizzare-adventure-rohan-kishibe-i-refuse-gif-26066583

[spiral solstice]

Hard.

[lusty fiber]

Just want them to bench electric raid forever

[granite oar]

[daring isle]

Iron 3

Wind is coming to 4

[spiral solstice]

@amber saffron

Noob.

[daring isle]

Iron worst elemental

[spiral solstice]

Tiga loses hard.

[daring isle]

[wooden prairie]

wait

both of these units

require no OL lines right

[spiral solstice]

Tiga useless unit.

[spiral solstice]

For minmaxing, Mast needs 1 ammo.

[wooden prairie]

why

[coarse jasper]

I don't see naga's multiplier in here

[spiral solstice]

Anchor needs 1-2 for burst gen if no Alice.

[amber saffron]

Depends on if u wanna 12 line biscuit 2.0 or rem 0.8

[coarse jasper]

where is the 85.17

[spiral solstice]

Oh shit

[coarse jasper]

wdym

[spiral solstice]

Typoeeed

[coarse jasper]

you're comparing tia naga but I see no naga numbers

[daring isle]

No OL

[spiral solstice]

[wooden prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-happy-dance-black-dance-get-it-gif-14992825767124506528

[daring isle]

The question is do u even have enough for double 10/10/10

[wooden prairie]

i need to reset rem

then i have enuf

[daring isle]

Rem can buff Cindy

[spiral solstice]

Fixed.

[amber saffron]

But rem best fit cindy

[daring isle]

Next Water weak

[wooden prairie]

idk who to reset then

i still have guillo but she only 4 10 4

[daring isle]

Chill

[spiral solstice]

Mast Anchor still slightly better

[daring isle]

We dont even have skill reset yet

[spiral solstice]

[daring isle]

[amber saffron]

Reset redhood s1, when was the last time anyone used her as b3

[spiral solstice]

Well

In Mast's rotation

[wooden prairie]

still got 2

[spiral solstice]

Not in Anchor's

[unkempt swan]

Where's anchor rotation core

[daring isle]

If they open they will give anyway

So you have 5

[wooden prairie]

so i can reset 5 units

👀

[daring isle]

I need to reset Zwei SW

[reef swallow]

it's 0 until they actually let you use it

[amber saffron]

I wish the wishlist was more useful

[spiral solstice]

Added Anchor core rotation.

[lusty fiber]

They even remove skill mats from step up pack

So evil

[unkempt swan]

Tiga better

[wooden prairie]

tiga dont have reload speed

[spiral solstice]

For SBS, its obvious the elysion duos win

[wooden prairie]

i love reload speed

[spiral solstice]

Yeah reload speed important

[idle kestrel]

ironically reload speed is a stat that sbs don't want

[wooden prairie]

but alice wants

soooooo

[idle kestrel]

but mmast and manchor gives it

[amber saffron]

Bench alice use mana or trony

[spiral solstice]

Bricked Alice no need ammo anymore

[unkempt swan]

How does crown priv compare

[spiral solstice]

[daring isle]

And ironically dist dmg is the stat Alice cant use

[spiral solstice]

14 ammo finally

[amber saffron]

😃

[spiral solstice]

Not so bad after all

[daring isle]

The good thing is you can use Crown for another comp

But who knows

[wooden prairie]

i really like this duo

other than gotta 10 10 10 both

[amber saffron]

Oh sbit they posted anchor skills

[spiral solstice]

Today is a wonderful day for 14 ammo havers

[amber saffron]

THEY COULDVE NUST POSTED BEFORE UPDATE

[spiral solstice]

LETSGOOOOO

ALICE NO LONGER NEEDS 3 AMMO

Jk

She needs

Outside this comp

[unkempt swan]

Can't wait for them to post on last day of their banner next year

Then the year after that, post the day after banner is gone

[idle kestrel]

Shiftup really be living in a time dilation

[amber saffron]

Its the timezone diff dude

[olive echo]

How is the post before or after patch going to make any difference?

[unkempt swan]

Someone make skill priority for the two of them combined, which ones are most important

[olive echo]

the banner still 7/14 days away

impatient much

[rough geode]

hmm will they both be out for SR? edit; yes, it seems they will be

[amber saffron]

I told u alrdy

Which skill has reload speed and dist dmg, s2?

Its the highest prio

[pearl carbon]

Lovely , they finally got the powercreep message people send them in ani 👌

[idle kestrel]

just the perks of current society with its endless instant gratification sources. (netflix binge, 1 day delivery and so on)

[olive echo]

what the fuck are you yapping about

[amber saffron]

Government

Cindy and grave into flora into rrh into mana into aegis duo

[spiral solstice]

Added Crown Naga.

[unkempt swan]

Is the dist dmg same category as dmg taken

[spiral solstice]

Discounting dilution from attacker's kit, with Mast rotation, both units everyone gets 7.569×. with Anchor rotation, everyone gets 5.318×. With Crown Naga, only the burster gets 9.276×, and everyone else gets 6.485×.

[rough geode]

with such massive caster ATK buffs I can't help but feel like SU want us to pull dupes

[spiral solstice]

Yes

[rough geode]

[spiral solstice]

Tho let me mention

Crown with HelmTr no core is a fairer comparison

[unkempt swan]

How would this comp work if you need electric...

Gotta sac something

[spiral solstice]

Elysion duos?

[hidden hornet]

just run tiga instead

[spiral solstice]

Just pray chime is electric

[unkempt swan]

Can't bscar Alice/mana aegis

[spiral solstice]

Easy

[fluid oar]

no flex slots?

[idle kestrel]

the only b1 cdr that's electric is rouge

[daring isle]

Just dont use them

[spiral solstice]

Just do Rouge there.

Use Rapi there.

[unkempt swan]

She can't break water qte

[burnt zinc]

This is the funniest kit I've ever seen in this game, I love her

[unkempt swan]

Ig you just don't use Bscar with aegis

Rouge goes with Cindy

[spiral solstice]

Cindy Rapi XMaiden Grave RH

[unkempt swan]

[spiral solstice]

[unkempt swan]

Is Alice staying with Bscar in raids in that comp

Or do you use mana instead

[spiral solstice]

Probably Maids joining 3rd comp

Freed from SBS

temporadily

[unkempt swan]

How does crown priv compare to duo

In core (ig it doesn't matter)

[spiral solstice]

I wonder if ExiaTr will die

Its gonna be strong competition between Maids and ExiaTr Crown DWife/Volume

ExiaTr will still win I think

Or not

DWife/Volume Maids Ein SAnis
ExiaTr Crown Ein SAnis CDR

[green otter]

thats a whole lot of numbers

[late glacier]

@crystal chasm for 2B, is normal Mast just better? HP scaling or distrib dmg scaling?

[spiral solstice]

• Liter Mari SBS Alice Maxwell
• Cindy Rouge XMidden Grave RH
• Volume Mast Ein SAnis Anchor
• D. Wife Crown Rapi Rei Scarlet

For Exia non havers.

[crystal chasm]

Mast gives 46.3% more dmg

86.2% more hp

[late glacier]

what does that mean

[crystal chasm]

it means

[crystal chasm]

.

[spiral solstice]

Than who?

For who?

[crystal chasm]

than her

[spiral solstice]

SBS dMage

[crystal chasm]

nope

for

your mama

[reef swallow]

but what does that mean

[crystal chasm]

also it was n3x question

not you, so read my answer with the context of his question

[spiral solstice]

RH Maids SBS Alice will steal lowest clear

In Campaign

Maybe

Wwind weak

Only

Infinite ammo Alice

Is probably better rhan bricked Alice with crown naga

No taunt shield will suck tho

So not applicable to most stages ig

[green otter]

how does mast gain drunken stacks?

[late glacier]

[green otter]

is it all 3 at once? or once every burst 1 stage

[late glacier]

every burst 1 adds 1

[fleet onyx]

I need a drink

[green otter]

so you need to burst 3 times to get max stacks

[late glacier]

yes. but if you don't remove 1 stack she loses all stacks and stuns herself for 10s

[rough geode]

she needs to be tipsy but not absolutely smashed

[green otter]

thats only when she reaches max stacks no?

[late glacier]

yea

if you end the full burst with 3 stacks you're done for

[rough geode]

which is why anchor conveniently only starts removing stacks after mast gains 3

[green otter]

isnt that what you want?

[lapis lynx]

But she's 40s so do we really care if she's stunned?

No amount of CDR means she'll be bursting 10s after full burst ends

[rough geode]

they are a duo, she will never be used alone

with anchor she maintains 3 stacks at the point of entering burst stage 3

which means she maintains the awesome buffs every burst rotation from 3rd one on

if you use her without anchor she loses all stacks at end of third burst, is stunned and has to start again, and you have to use another B2 that won't synergise

it's like using blanc without rouge or noir... you just never would (outside pvp)

[lapis lynx]

........

Re-entering doesn't give another stack right?

Well, can't run a re-enter with a 40s anyway

[rough geode]

you wouldn't want it to even if it did

because then mast would gain 3 stacks faster than anchor would start removing them

so she'd get stunned and your buff rotation would be fucked

and re-entry didn't increase stacks for xmaiden so safe to say it won't for mast

although slightly different mechanic I guess

[lapis lynx]

Wow you mean Tia/Balice/RH/Mast/SW won't be a viable team?

[rough geode]

hey you could test it

sounds meta

[spiral solstice]

It is viable for special interception

Jk

[rough geode]

probs also viable in event story missions

even hard mode!

[daring bison]

The important part, now bye

[forest glade]

What??

Must pull

[cursive drift]

mast pull

[lusty fiber]

cummander process for future 4some

[cursive drift]

do we want to correct that hit chance for mast with overload?

[forest glade]

Hit rate meta? Just have anchor

[cursive drift]

will it remain at 0%? could be at -20%

[idle kestrel]

she’s not meant to be dps

so the -hitrate is kinda whatever

[cursive drift]

what else would you give her anyway

[idle kestrel]

unless you get 100 ele 50 atk on her

4 rocks and forget

[cursive drift]

since she's water she could do meaningful damage considering a bunch of them are also dogwater

[simple walrus]

I was a bit busy at work

Now is the cook going?

[cursive drift]

people say mana is dead and her banner isn't even over

[simple walrus]

Who are these people?

[cursive drift]

dogWATER, get it ?

[simple walrus]

Nah their kit kinda interesting

But I honestly don't like the duo way

[cursive drift]

i like this duo better than any other

best way to make 40s cd work

no practical difference though all duo's take 2 slots

[green otter]

mast -60 hit rate? she wont be able to hit core at all

[untold knoll]

why does it matter? shes clearly a buffer

[lapis lynx]

Yeah no amount of hit rate OL is letting her hit core lol

[crisp scaffold]

4 black lines + Assault Cube would negate debuff

[cursive drift]

it is so easy

just give it

[lapis lynx]

She is MG so damage isn't completely irrelevant if elemental advantage

But I'd say at most reroll EM and leave it there lol

Max Ammo? Anchor gives her reload anyway

[crisp scaffold]

But Nihilister, the biggest fire plague, doesn't have a core for most of fight

Mast stonks

[lapis lynx]

Emilia stonks more like

[fleet onyx]

what about material J

[lapis lynx]

Hope y'all didn't reset our only elf waifu in game

[crisp scaffold]

Too good for PvP to reset

Also half-elf

[lapis lynx]

True

[crisp scaffold]

Important difference

[lapis lynx]

Got her to 21% CS yesterday 💪

[spiral solstice]

Added Crown, solo, 16.9s each S2 trigger interval

Maids is 0.5 step lower than Crown.

Needs 2 slots instead of 1.

No taunt, no shield, no synergy with Naga, but Maids have infinite ammo, Crown doesn't.

Depending on which DPS is to pair, either Crown or Maids will be stronger.

Units with a lot of ATK but not much ATK DMG like Scarlet and Asuka (on her offburst rotation) will see more damage from Crown, Grave, etc.

Units with a lot of ATK and ATK DMG will probably be equal, exception is Rapipi who has too much Projectile Damage, so for Rapipi, probably Maids is better.

Units without ATK will prefer Maids, like Modernia (well, she is included) and SSakura.
Units with extreme scaling on ammo may prefer Maids due to infinite ammo, like Alice and Rapipi.

[weak gull]

So is this a mileage both scenario?

[lapis lynx]

Projectile is additive with ATK Damage I assume?

[lapis lynx]

Elysion Wishlist is pretty sparse right now..... So you could also just wait and hope

[spiral solstice]

Extra point: Maids have infinite ammo.

Crown doesn't.

[lapis lynx]

You mean from their reload speed buffs?

Crown also gives a fair amount of that doesn't she?

[spiral solstice]

44% + 29.69%

Maids give 84% + 29.69%

[cursive drift]

a pull situation

2%

[spiral solstice]

For Rapipi and Alice, Maids are better technically.

Crown Naga should still be stronger.

Potentially.

[weak gull]

Wat about collab

[crisp scaffold]

Collab are limited, so that's where mileage should go if intending to use it

[cursive drift]

mileage ofc

[spiral solstice]

The fun question is whether.

[cursive drift]

if you miss those you're out

[spiral solstice]

Liter Crown RH Rapipi SHelm
better than
Liter Maids RH Rapipi

But u wont run Maids against Ultra anyways

Ure doomed

Maybe

[crisp scaffold]

Curious about maids for Kraken

[spiral solstice]

S9 clear

Easy

SBS distri deals 75% more damage flat

Bruh

[crisp scaffold]

More about the auto-ability for S7

S9 is

[spiral solstice]

Is what

[crisp scaffold]

sleep

[spiral solstice]

Easy auto

[crisp scaffold]

[spiral solstice]

Better than Crown Naga

At least

Or Crown Noir

Maybe

[crisp scaffold]

Well, I'll definitely be able to test since I always dump resources into water

[weak gull]

What about campaign?

[spiral solstice]

I am more curious about Harvester.

I wonder if Maids will best Crown Naga.

[crisp scaffold]

Ludmilla (normal) and Mary are the only water units I don't have invested

[spiral solstice]

I think for Harvester it will be:

[crisp scaffold]

Can't use me as a reference for campaign ever cuz I'm a lazy slacker

I'm blue CP in hard campaign again

[spiral solstice]

1. Rapi Crown XLud HelmTr QQ
2. Rapi Mast XLud QQ Anchor
3. Rapi Crown XLud QQ Naga
4. Rapi Crown XLud QQ Anchor

[cursive drift]

bet we will see goofy shit again like shotguns with a duo

[crisp scaffold]

5. Rapi/Mast/Phantom/QQ/Anchor

[willow crypt]

wait they good?

[green otter]

this is from skyjlv

[willow crypt]

so im fucked with my 3k gems?

[cursive drift]

300 gems is all it takes and you have 10x that much

[spiral solstice]

Phantom is not distributed damage

[crisp scaffold]

SU realized they forgot to give SBS a comp before they loaded Cindy with supports

[crisp scaffold]

Burst is

same as QeQ

[spiral solstice]

Bruh

Phantom burst is nonexistent damage

Lmao

Phantom is not distributed

Dont cope

[crisp scaffold]

Do you have a 10/10/10 Phantom?

[spiral solstice]

No

[crisp scaffold]

Well I do

[spiral solstice]

But anyone with brain knows its cope

For bossing

[green otter]

[weak gull]

Crap I ran out of skill books for both Mast and Anchor

[spiral solstice]

Only her burst is distributed

And its a small portion of their damage

Except no core

Boss

[crisp scaffold]

At least it's not wasting dist buff like X Lud is

[willow crypt]

bro wtf is wrong with them

[crisp scaffold]

X Lud burst is diluted by maid buffs, too

[spiral solstice]

Oh yeah forgot something

[weak gull]

So uhh where do collab units go

[spiral solstice]

Only Mast S2 buff applies to Phantom

Anchor's doesnt

So only 45%

Not 75%

[green otter]

how?

[crisp scaffold]

Oh?

[spiral solstice]

Wait

Let me check

Yeah

Correct

[crisp scaffold]

I've beenat work, so I haven't been able to look closely at kits yet

[spiral solstice]

Yeah the Anchor 30% is after Full Byrst

Mast 45% is at B3

[green otter]

what is her s2 then?

[crisp scaffold]

Ah, so Anchor misses QeQ dist damage, too

[spiral solstice]

Dorothy shud get both still

But Dorothy is a bit copium

CDR bottleneck

[primal cedar]

DD buff and Att Dmg buffs are separate in the damage formula??

[spiral solstice]

Dorothy Crown Privaty better

Dorrothy benefits from Crown ATK

And ATK DMG(?)

Idk if that gets included

[crisp scaffold]

What about Dorothy/Crown/Milk

[spiral solstice]

Cope

[crisp scaffold]

[spiral solstice]

Dorothy Crown Rapipi Rei Privaty

Might be meta in next raid

[crisp scaffold]

Doubt

I don't think Crown shields are enough to survive Mat H laser finale

[fluid oar]

Idc about crown Naga. New maids are rad in SR yeah?

Crown Naga doesn't exist in SR. New maids do

[crisp scaffold]

Crown/Helm seems more likely

[spiral solstice]

Or Liter Crown Rapipi Rei Helm yeah

Either those 2

[crisp scaffold]

Doro has taken cd hit in SR comps before (no Privaty or secondary cdr)

[weak gull]

If you lucky enough can't helm use her own burst skill?

[spiral solstice]

XLud QQ will go together with Tiga

Thats for sure

See

I shudnt have pulled Xguli

[weak gull]

I got her in 10 pulls

and then mana in 30

[granite oar]

Proof?

[crystal chasm]

can't say

sign an NDA

[cursive drift]

seggs scene is long overdue with how much of a pussy rapi is

all she does is cock block mc but she doesn't put out herself

smh

[spiral solstice]

Bro my intuition says...

Not to pull XGuli

I even asked Kira and Sin.

I felt something was off.

If she will not be used next raid, then I should trust my intuition more.

If she is used, then whatever.

I always get the right things for the wrong reasons.

Like I say A will happen because B, but A actually happens because C or D, not even B at all.

The slot preersfsfrueeeeidr sfysosnrgr.g

[cursive drift]

xguillotine already dead? big shame

[weak gull]

Do I have to pull for both?

[cursive drift]

yes these 2 aren't solo nikke

[weak gull]

Rn at 103 pulls

[cursive drift]

but you can also skip both

[weak gull]

In that case it would be better if I just bought the pass skins for standard pulls

Ofc no guarantee at getting both there

[spiral solstice]

Maybe not.

[weak gull]

So is the meta changing so fast that most people don't have the resources to keep up?

[spiral solstice]

Kinda.

Eap skill mats.

Esp.

[cursive drift]

honestly this is normal

[spiral solstice]

No, this is not normal.

It's overly fast.

[cursive drift]

early into the year we always get some bullshit

[spiral solstice]

Seeing EVA is next.

Right after this.

Is EVA collab.

[weak gull]

6 weeks after that is half anniversary

[cursive drift]

the other duo's were also around half anni

with a nice pilgrim

at least blanc/noir with doro iirc

that was after modernia

wow 2023 was stacked both bunnies and tia naga released that year

2024 was dead

[weak gull]

aka just crown?

[cursive drift]

a few good ones but a better spread

[untold knoll]

werent bunnies released after Doro?

[cursive drift]

that was the first time people really got baited and caught off gaurd by a triple must pull banner back to back

[untold knoll]

not that it matters much tbh, that still stacks in similar timing

[spiral solstice]

Thisbis whats happening rn

Rapi Mana* Maids then EVAduo

Evaduo will be must pulls too

New wind units

Wind has been dead for ages

Its time

[untold knoll]

we need more Clays and Floras

[spiral solstice]

True

[cursive drift]

what shift up meant to say with their last collab event not making enough money was that we're about to be wrung dry

they should let me spend gems on skill mats i can't level up everything like this

[fleet onyx]

so I need to wait for like 120 days to level skills for mast and anchor and helm and drake

great job shitup

[cursive drift]

and the good news is they aren't done releasing meta nikke

[untold knoll]

maybe by that time you wont have to

[crisp scaffold]

Yeah, next month

Doro was SR S1 with Mother Whale, bunnies were S2 with Blacksmith

[fleet onyx]

and we get eva 2.0 next

[crisp scaffold]

and 2.5 after that!

[fleet onyx]

fuck this sheet

[crisp scaffold]

And bunnies after that!

and summer units after that!

and collab after that!

[fleet onyx]

and after that winter is coming

[crisp scaffold]

Meanwhile GFL2... have 13 units in one year

[fleet onyx]

with another ny

[crisp scaffold]

Nikke's like "That's three months of units bruh"

[fleet onyx]

[weak gull]

oh yeah and multiply by 11 for max core

[fleet onyx]

and there will be next batch of treasures in summer

uohhh

[crisp scaffold]

Although dupes in Nikke thankfully are extremely low impact compared to dupes in other games

[cursive drift]

i liked last summer's design but they weren't too much of a must pull

[crisp scaffold]

Like even with Mast and Anchor having Caster's ATK buffs, dupes still aren't remotely worthwhile for non-spenders

[cursive drift]

dupes are just a treasure thing for us f2p

[weak gull]

Dragalia Lost: What dupes? all I see is eldwater and sunlight stones

[fleet onyx]

now bald heads are giving up on pulling new meta units as they're broke on skill mats and can't make them meta

[crisp scaffold]

Broke on skill mats? Shouldn't be possible unless 10/10/10ing meme units

I always buy skill mats and rarely have issues with running out

and I still skill meme units

Like 10/10/10 Phantom

[cursive drift]

that meme unit will be great next raid

[crisp scaffold]

[cursive drift]

i wish my xguilo could be like that

[crisp scaffold]

X Guillo will be used more than Phantom

I guarantee it

[cursive drift]

that's wonderful news i thought she was a bit of a skip

[crisp scaffold]

Phantom was a bigger skip

Her literal only use was saving Elysion tower

Now we have Rapi and Aegis duo

[cursive drift]

reset when?

[crystal chasm]

[crisp scaffold]

X Guillo's buffing capability gives her lasting power

[fleet onyx]

maybe time to reset mod and sakura for greater good

[crystal chasm]

I would miss her when I slipped through the lowest clear in Elysion

[crisp scaffold]

The moment we get an SBS/Cindy-tier water DPS, X Guillo could end up being the X Maiden/Alice to that unit

[crystal chasm]

later gen would never understand

[crisp scaffold]

Phantom is an entirely selfish DPS unit that only delivers if you pause every shot

[cursive drift]

she should've been released a year ago

[crisp scaffold]

And Mast being an MG supporter should actually have decent DPS

X Guillo could be used for full water comp

Doro/Mast/X Lud/X Guillo/Anchor

Actually, no burst gen

Helm instead of X Lud

[cursive drift]

anchor is rocket

manual burst gen

[crisp scaffold]

Yeah, but normal RL gen still isn't great

[crystal chasm]

we either run

D Duo maid Rapi + Helm/Phantom

or

D Diesel Phantom Helm Maiden

new player would never know

[green otter]

wouldnt doro, aegis maids, quency xguillo
b1, crown, helm (t) xlud flex?

[crisp scaffold]

I just mean single team

Not for SR

[green otter]

ah

[crisp scaffold]

SR relies too heavily on what the boss is

If X Guillo exists this SR, she'll be T5 probably

Buff Emilia

[cursive drift]

they need to release a nikke like rapipi who can counter 2 elements but as a water code so xguillo buffs it

[crisp scaffold]

Doro/Rem/Emilia/X Guillo/Privaty

[green otter]

nihilister sr

[crisp scaffold]

Need a cope comp for poor souls like me who have 90+% element on electric comp but no ATK rolls

[weak gull]

@crisp scaffold meme theory: the meta change was supposed to coincide with a gem income increase from champions arena

[crisp scaffold]

I'm willing to bet champion arena won't even give gems

Gold profile currency and titles/frames

[cursive drift]

it's going to give pulls to the best players who don't need them

[idle kestrel]

rocks, skill mats, doll mats

[cursive drift]

a dumb sticker

[crisp scaffold]

God, if it gives doll mats

I'll have to whale my PvP units into decent investment

[cursive drift]

solo raid should give a sticker too

a sticker of the boss

[forest glade]

Plus a “I malded bald white for 40 hours and all I got is this lousy sticker”

[spiral solstice]

Need titles for top 10 20 35 50 100 solo raid

Top 100 Brass = 1 time
Top 100 Bronze = 3 times
Top 100 Silver = 5 times
Top 100 Gold = 10 times
Top 100 Platinum = 15 times
Top 100 Diamond = 20 times

For 50 35 20 10 too

[granite oar]

No direct amount

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245939636702810225/1307956850838212649/HOngbuk_2.gif

[wild elm]

Skip for collab

[simple walrus]

Honestly the real creep gonna be the collab girls

[simple walrus]

||wait what? Drunk mast hard seggs? ||

[crystal chasm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145730765422874697/1245608628015337482/IMG_8552.gif

[forest glade]

Realistically speaking yeah, if there wasn’t a collab right after this mast and anchor would be high priority pulls

[granite oar]

Trony meta finally

[granite oar]

Chime half anni will powercreep all

[simple walrus]

[rotund comet]

40 sec B2.. both are 40 sec

[shadow flare]

sbs's buffer???

mast + anchor?

[crystal chasm]

God Mast

[spiral solstice]

Liter Maids RH Rapipi clear Ultra coming up

Harvester too

Kraken too

[spiral solstice]

Updated with more info.

[amber saffron]

You're still on this??

[amber saffron]

There's no shield, you really wanna facetank the fucking stun every rotation

Harvester i dont know but kraken sure

They're like a one unit duo

[spiral solstice]

Added Crown Helm.

[crystal chasm]

add my ass, go back to Helm's review

[cursive drift]

if cacao wasn't a shit character she could've been a pair with mast

lets wait for treasure to replace anchor

[crisp scaffold]

But Anchor is just better

[cursive drift]

cacao is b1

you can do crown/mast

[crisp scaffold]

X Mica is better than Cocoa

[spiral solstice]

Crown Helm is very similar to Maids, but Maids are more bursty (one rotation is stronger than the other) and work better for Distributed Damage. They have higher reload speed too and quite a lot of heals. Meanwhile, Crown Helm has taunt & shield (and burst gen from Helm). Very rough, but depending on the kit of the Attacker, either will work better for them. With units that have damage on both in-burst and off-burst or need Reload Speed, generally Maids is better.

[primal cedar]

wouldn't Cacao just remove Mast's effect? since its dispel and not reduce stack count

[crisp scaffold]

It would reduce the single stack every burst

so it could keep pace

Heck, Cocoa has the passive dispel as well

[primal cedar]

yeah but it stops mast from increasing stack as every time you go back to 0

[crisp scaffold]

X Mica would keep pace evenly, while Cocoa is faster than Mast

[cursive drift]

cacao is too broken of a dispeller she cleanses twice and would remove it

anchor keeps mast at 1 stack

[crisp scaffold]

Yeah, you'd be killing Mast's buffs

It would keep Mast from stunning herself still

[cursive drift]

mica would overstack mast?

then only anchor works

[primal cedar]

enter b1 -> mast gains 1 stack
Cacao bursts -> stack gone lmao

[crisp scaffold]

Mica cleanses every burst as well, ye

[spiral solstice]

Mast is debuff.

[cursive drift]

oh right

[crisp scaffold]

Screnshotted wrong part of kit

You want the burst

[cursive drift]

so what happens first

xmica cleanse or mast debuff stack gain

[spiral solstice]

Mast stack gain.

[crisp scaffold]

Mast would gain one stack first burst cycle

[primal cedar]

imagine mica makes mast stun herself faster

[crisp scaffold]

then Mica cleanses next time, Mast gains again

[cursive drift]

then xmica is impossible

[primal cedar]

go home mast, you are drunk

[crisp scaffold]

Mica would keep Mast at one stack, actually

[spiral solstice]

Sir you need Anchor for Mast no compromise

[crisp scaffold]

but no CDR means bricked anyway

[primal cedar]

mast with Anchor, no other way

[cursive drift]

b2 cdr

[idle kestrel]

it's not just about anchor preventing hangover, it's also because anchor has so many good buffs

[cursive drift]

shelm back on the menu

[crisp scaffold]

These two aren't like the other duos where they can be split

[primal cedar]

since only anchor reduces stack and keep Mast from going full drunk mode

[cursive drift]

xmica/mast/shelm/b3/b3

[crisp scaffold]

S Helm is useless in that comp

[primal cedar]

xmica won't work

[crisp scaffold]

She will, but Mast will be weakened

She'll be stuck at 1 stack

[cursive drift]

xmica herself doesn't look worth it anyway

[crisp scaffold]

I only mentioned her cuz she's better than Cocoa in almost every regard except lack of cover repair

[primal cedar]

but why use Mast than when you self gimping lol

[crisp scaffold]

Idk, there was a time when Doro was used with Noir for some god awful reason

[cursive drift]

it's just good to know that a nikke with 1 cleanse could work with mast in the future if they decide to do break a duo again like crown/naga

[crisp scaffold]

If by work you mean a 66% reduction in buff potency, then fair

That's effectively like using Naga without Crown or Tia

[cursive drift]

why would it be half status?

[crisp scaffold]

Mast gives buffs per stack of drunken

[cursive drift]

mast is 'needs to be drunk' right?

oh

[crisp scaffold]

X Mica would keep her at 1 stack

Anchor allows her to get to 3

[cursive drift]

only this part depends on it

[crisp scaffold]

but keeps her from keeping 3 long enough to get stunned

Yeah, 30% reload and dist damage buff is important

That 30% is the difference between permanent infinite ammo Alice and Alice who has to reload

[cursive drift]

anchor keeps mast at 2 stacks i think?

[primal cedar]

her burst also needs stack

[cursive drift]

first burst cycle = 1 stack
second burst cycle = 2 stack
third burst cycle = 3 stack + 1 cleanse from anchor so 2 stack

[primal cedar]

anchor keeps her at 2 stacks AFTER fullburst ends

which is required to avoid self stun

[crisp scaffold]

Mast enters three stacks at Burst Stage 3 (before full burst)

Anchor drops a stack at full burst

[cursive drift]

after it ends? reads like she cleanses at burst start

[crisp scaffold]

Yes, and Mast gets 3rd stack before full burst

[cursive drift]

oh so the buff still lasts 10s

well designed duo

[crisp scaffold]

1. Burst Stage 3: Mast gets 3rd stack, buff activates
2. Full Burst: Anchor cleases one stack, buff remains
3. End of FB: Mast is registered as 2 stacks, doesn't get stunned

[cursive drift]

will be hard to break apart

[spiral solstice]

it always lasts 10s only the ratio changed

[primal cedar]

i just said it that way to simplify how to works, anchor prevent Mast from getting 3 drunk stacks before the stun check at end of FB

[crisp scaffold]

And Anchor can't cleanse for the first two bursts, so Mast can properly build up

[cursive drift]

i don't see the issue why not have a nikke that gives +2 buff count and let mast be stunned all the time?

[primal cedar]

and anchor is not cleanse, to avoid misunderstanding

[cursive drift]

instead of cleansing just stack her buff

[primal cedar]

cleanse is like xMica or Cocoa

cleanse fully removes

[forest glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252920786549866537/1252929416892514314/8ubquj.gif

[spiral solstice]

1. Mast gains 1 stack at B1.
2. Mast buffs the team with 3 stacks at B3.
3. Anchor removes 1 stack at Full Burst.
4. Mast does not get stunned at the end of Full Burst.
5. Mast gains 1 stack at B1.

Repeat.

[crisp scaffold]

X Mica, Cocoa, and Ade would all start killing the stacks either from the start or from second burst

[forest glade]

Found the gif

[spiral solstice]

Easy explanation.

[spiral solstice]

can u make 20s B2 pls

[crisp scaffold]

Not this time

[spiral solstice]

wait no, can you make a coffin meme using the coffin meme as the coffin?

[forest glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145730765422874697/1245608628015337482/IMG_8552.gif

[cursive drift]

effectively mast is kept at -40% hitrate debuff

[primal cedar]

mast is debuff, not buff

[cursive drift]

aah shit i can't find a loophole

is there not a boss that 'adds stacks to debuff'?

[crisp scaffold]

Nope

[primal cedar]

there is a debuff stacking boss

[crisp scaffold]

Is there?

[primal cedar]

chatterbox

[cursive drift]

mast dead

[primal cedar]

the Oneshot mechanic

[crisp scaffold]

That's a unique debuff

[primal cedar]

yeah..

ik

[crisp scaffold]

It doesn't increase count of any debuff on Nikkes

Too complicated for Nikke combat

[primal cedar]

even if lets say Mast counts as a buff, it still won;t work

[crisp scaffold]

Tyrant-class raptures are sadly barren when it comes to debuffing

Lord-classes more commonly do that

[primal cedar]

since you cannot add 1 count to something that doesn't have a single stack yet

[cursive drift]

she will get 1 at burst start

[crisp scaffold]

Sunbather is a pain the butt cuz of that

[primal cedar]

but than you gonna wait 7.5s to burst for mica to add 1 more stack?

150/20 = 7.5s

[cursive drift]

yes but mica is trash

i want a +2 buff count nikke

[primal cedar]

maybe 2025 gonna have it

[cursive drift]

in the dream scenario where it would work with mast but well nvm

[primal cedar]

mica is too conservative

[cursive drift]

debuff is too difficult to work with

[crisp scaffold]

X Mica is still the 16th most used B1 out of 44

[forest glade]

X mica

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hahaha-gif-22505124

[fluid oar]

wait, based on kisenix's calc aren't the new maids like BIS for SBS Alice?

[amber saffron]

Sbs

Not alice

But alice is sbs bitch so

I guess yeah

[crisp scaffold]

Alice enjoys the infinite ammo for sure

[fluid oar]

based on the mult they far outpace similar options

[signal horizon]

so much for mana lol

[crisp scaffold]

but ATK stacking is less effective on Alice than attack damage

and the bulk of her damage is still burst

I think Crown/Privaty would still be better assuming fire-weak

[amber saffron]

Mana's use was and has been

Possibly Wind weak raids, Kraken qol, pvp

Her use remains the same

[crisp scaffold]

Mana has potential in the odd case of fire-weak raids if we end up with comps that benefit Alice more

as a way of keeping SBS powerful

Not likely tho

SBS is so strong universally that it's hard to knock her out

[fluid oar]

my sbs keeps eating my pilgrim rolls..

[crisp scaffold]

Mana's another tool we have in reserve. Expecting much of her in PvE outside of Kraken QoL is a bad idea

[signal horizon]

Just saying in terms of mana replacing alice as sbs bitch

[crisp scaffold]

I think the only time that'll happen is Union Raid, honestly

When we get core-less potatoes

That keeps Alice around for fire-weak

[signal horizon]

Competition's gonna be really tough with only 3 teams and this new duo joining the fray

[amber saffron]

Basically this shitty duo us only for raids where sbs is doing really well, hence is worth to funnel buffs into her

On fire raids already this duo cant be used

Mana however can be used still in my opinion if she is built well enough

[calm magnet]

Mana is good enough if you don't feel like losing a finger and chill, my 2 cts

[signal horizon]

you can already do that without mana tho

[signal horizon]

awaiting your lengthy thesis review

[amber saffron]

Not really, its simple

For UR
Going against wind weak? Use this comp with sbs alice

Not going against wind? Dont use this comp

For SR
Is sbs viable? Probably yes
But now, is Alice DPS relevant enough to funnel buffs into her instead, eg is it a fire raid? Is pierce uptime or something high enough to make Alice top dawg dps? If yes, this duo doesnt get used

[signal horizon]

so you're saying the elysion curse strikes again?

[amber saffron]

Im saying this is a bunnies level duo, better ofcourse but at the cost of insane skill books

[signal horizon]

man we still have collab units too

and the treasure ones

[amber saffron]

So like team 4/5, around that, and their use depends and revolves around how good sbs is

You can get a solid 5-6 months out of these units in my opinion
But skipping them is also fine since bunnies are good enough

Any sense of hyper competitiveness means you pull these 2

[signal horizon]

will probably just pull a copy

investing them is another thing entirely

[amber saffron]

I cant pull or invest lol

Ill just save

Collab cant get again

[calm magnet]

I won't pull because I can't keep up anyway \o/

not enough for the treasure already

The start if the year is way to packed.

They need to chill

it sucks that you can't exchange TR items if you didn't maxed the treasure unit it is for.

[spiral solstice]

?????

This is Crown Helm level.

[spiral solstice]

This duo yes will be used everywhere.

Technically, now the best comps are Crown Naga, Maids, Electric comp/Mari/Grave for UR.

For SR, everyone will be used.

Snake has one of the worst takes.

Don't trust him.

He ALWAYS SHITS ON UNITS HE CAN'T PULL.

[cursive drift]

shotgun team needs help

[spiral solstice]

Bunnies level is dead.

[spiral solstice]

• Bunnies (no core):
  (1 + 0.1408) × (1.3926) × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 2.978×

• Bunnies (core):
  (1 + 0.1408) × (1.3926) × (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 4.567×

• Mast rotation (no core):
  (1 + (1.30 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.35 × 0.9))) = 5.066×

• For SBS: 4.874 × 1.75 = 8.351×

• Anchor rotation (no core):
  (1 + (0.65 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.4 × 0.5))) = 3.545×

• For SBS: 6.203×

• Mast rotation (core):
  (1 + (1.30 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.4 × 0.9)) = 7.569×
  For SBS: 13.24575×

• Anchor's rotation (core):
  (1 + (0.65 × 0.833)) × 1.15 × (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.4 × 0.5))) = 5.318×
  For SBS: 9.3065×

Snake is biased to what we has.

That's why every guide on Prydwen gets double and triple checked by me.

They are imo better than Tia Naga, maybe not when core exists, but they have Reload Speed.

Naga is indeed broken.

Period.

T2: Maids (perfect reload, heals, distributed damage ▲, atk diluted)
T2: Crown Helm (shield, increased reload, low heals if not lifesteal, burst gen, stable)
T2: Grave Naga, Grave XLud
T2: Crown (yes, alone still good even without Helm)
T2-B: Grave, Mari (solos can have 3 DPS or other buffer like RH or off-burst buffer)
T3: Tia Naga (slow rotation, no reload buff)
T4: Bunnies (low offensive buff but has ammo buff)

Some units work better with solo buffers than Maids or Crown Helm, but we are talking about general comp. They are usually weaker unless you do setups that favor them (like Asuka Rei Mod, or Cindy SAnis XMid, or Cindy XMid RH).```

[amber saffron]

Get mari math

In there somewhere

[spiral solstice]

Mari with Pierce Damage when the core sometimes doesn't exist?

[amber saffron]

Even if it sometimes exists you can get 100% uptime on mari buffs

If u dont want mari then do grave

[spiral solstice]

• Mari (no core):
  (1 + 0.3078 * 0.8333 * 0.5) × (1.4099) × (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 2.982×
  No Pierce Damage.

• Mari (core):
  (1 + 0.3078 * 0.8333 * 0.5) × (1.8198) × (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 5.902×
  With Pierce Damage.

(1 + 0.3078 * 0.8333 * 0.5) × (1.4099) × (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.3 + (0.15 × 0.5))) = 4.573×
Without Pierce Damage.

No reload speed btw.

[amber saffron]

But 3 pps

[spiral solstice]

That's why I said it's good when there are 3 DPS.

Or if you are using independent buffer/support like Maxwell or Xlud.

[wooden prairie]

[amber saffron]

So she should on same tier as the duo

[wooden prairie]

Y so much math

[spiral solstice]

That's why I said T2-B.

[wooden prairie]

RELOAD SPEED

[spiral solstice]

I changed.

[amber saffron]

2 dps

[spiral solstice]

The -B is to show Crown is slightly higher than them.

[amber saffron]

Demote all of S tier to A tier, A tier to B tier, B tier to C tier

Put bunnies and srosanna S, and put these guys in SS

[spiral solstice]

Wow bro does not want them to be in SSS so only Crown Naga can stay there?

[amber saffron]

Obviously, is there even a doubt