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#[Helm] New Unit Megathread
charred schooner
inland badger
each team will suffer around 33k cp on avg
that's less than 10% deficit
15% or above is when it gets difficult
charred schooner
each team will suffer around 33k cp on avg
no like
per team
over 100k cp
they’re usually 400-500k cp total more than me
for the reachable ranks anyways
inland badger
that's a very high deficit
it should be a combination of them being not too good and you being good
charred schooner
yeah a majority have super ass teams
well not majority
but plenty have teams that I could definitely beat if they weren’t cp diffing me so much
inland badger
yeah cp gap is the end all be all of sp arena
charred schooner
for example rank 10
charred schooner
only reason I cant beat this guy is cause of last team cp diff
its just annoying
charred schooner
mb
inland badger
it's ok
inland badger
we stopped
charred schooner
i was originally gonna add helm to team 3 for extra burst gen
but I was like nah fuck it im making 2 RL scarlet again
bold bone
My helm is sr0 am i screwed
prime pagoda
Screwed for a top score? Yes
Screwed for 3% ? Probably not
hoary flame
But seems like it's way higher than just 100k
red heron
got 7 helm items today
red heron
I got 15 for drake
meanwhile my drake
but 4 more helm pieces tomorrow and I will have it
ivory harbor
Helming good
winged path
is using blues for sr5-15 trolling?
pine echo
Not if you're lucky
void swan
I went from "can't kill Kraken, my Alice is too gimp and my hand gets destroyed if I spamshoot her and only get 100m more damage" to "I almost killed Kraken, I'm going to gaming chair this now. My hand barely survived, but I got Alice from 500m to just slightly short of 1b and Kraken's dead."
Long live Treasure Helm!
(Caveat: My BS Scarlet was already extremely strong)
chilly rapids
Interesting
I already tired spam shoot with Alice everyday though, now Mana come
void swan
There was a period of time where I'd given up on trying to kill Kraken, and just waited for better characters
Treasure Helm was who I needed to push me over the hill
I still hope for Alice to cease to exist one of these days
Because spam shooting is to me one of the hateful parts of Nikke though I try not to be bothered by it. Since stressing over good Alice shooters having a massive advantage over me doesn't do anything constructive for me 
tight dust
Will I make it before SR end but can only phase 1 anyway 
chilly rapids
I still hope for Alice to cease to exist one of these days
There's no hope for that 
rain pawn
only reason I cant beat this guy is cause of last team cp diff
- Poli
- Emma
I don't think this person has changed his comps since SBS release 
cedar junco
https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/s/l2KKngCHgd
Helm t3 highest water dpser?
Someone else here have t3 alrdy? And can/want to test?
cedar junco
That reddit post was on Water Weak Shooting Range Boss
Yea no info on cores and ol but he said ol on helm was kinda shit
@leaden pawn and wtf that name u recruiting the top 20 players in global?
leaden pawn
Yes 
cedar junco
worst rng ever
warm hound
i got 14 miranda 2 helm, 7 of the other two
void swan
It keeps giving me 5 Helm
I’m up to over 15 Helm kits gained from the 3 Solo Raid levels including LV7
Checked rewards info and seems it starts from LV5
So that’s pretty lucky, I guess
Okay, it’s now time to get Helm to phase 3!
gilded turret
I'm a bit confused. Why there's rock recommendations but then it says not to waste rocks on her lol
cedar junco
that guy who said that even used like 30 rocks on her
gilded turret
Lolol
prime pagoda
So, don't use rocks on her to get the lines you are missing
gilded turret
Well duh I couldn't call that fix lmaoo
Would be something like fixing shitty lines or 1 line only
I go for 2 lines most of the time
haughty mural
30 rocks is nothing
prime pagoda
Ask anyone to "fix" their Alice
haughty mural
Kinda dumb to keep using my 30 rocks to say that i fixed her or whats not
cedar junco
void swan
I'm a bit confused. Why there's rock recommendations but then it says not to was...
I guess this can be simplified to, you can get her OL gear to keep leveling her gear for more stats, but don’t bother rerolling the OL gear effects?
cedar junco
😂
haughty mural
Yeah u ignore the rest of the ol text and u only focus on the last line it take it the way u see it
cedar junco
yea coz it is funny
haughty mural
To fix her to 10/12 lines like xlud it takes alot more
You want to at least make helmt usable
But not optimize her like other dps
Thats why i used 30 rocks and thats 10 days of rocks
Its not much
Fix a dps cost at least 1 month of rock
void swan
That’s a little difficult to say in short and sweet form because it sounds like, get her OLs but don’t reroll, or it sounds like, get her OLs and chase at least decent effects. These are contradictory suggestions
haughty mural
Thats fixing
daring mirage
I'm a bit confused. Why there's rock recommendations but then it says not to was...
its always nice to know what are the 12 best lines imo
sure you can settle for atk + ele line 1 and 2
but if you happen to get a charge speed line 3 might as well lock it
cedar junco
Thats fixing
it is funny coz u said first no worth to fix then said used 26 rocks to fix, would be just better to just say not worth to optimize or something
haughty mural
Now that sth i would take in consideration and gix my text
gilded turret
What cube for helm ?
daring mirage
resi
marble stream
Yeah a max core unit can surpass everyone in the list with the minimum effort xD
solemn apex
bro got edged harder than NGNL fans for season 2
dusty fog
Same
south aurora
though I got enough from random drop just wanted one more
haughty mural
Lv 6 S2 vs Lv 5 S2
who are the other 3
storm willow
haughty mural
Dm strong 
gilded turret
Which treasure I should focus next ? I have all s1 and helm
haughty mural
where is damage breakdown
storm willow
gilded turret
I heard on some stages naga is better but she can also replace her on campaign right ?
leaden pawn
I heard on some stages naga is better but she can also replace her on campaign r...
Naga best in slot for campaign
haughty mural
not that important now with asuka
brave sun
how much rocks can I sink into helm
gilded turret
What team do I do for kraken if I do t want to tryhard
I do stage 7 with crown rrapi sbs mana noir chilling out (not afk but not mashing the screen like with Alice )
Can I just swap noir for helm or cant
cedar junco
if u swap noir with helmT u have to swap mana with alice
if u have enough dps u can semi afk and just do qte
party order : crown - sbs - helmT - rhh - alice
so u burst with sbs and helmT
gilded turret
Oh wait Alice doesn't burst lmao
Ok I will try
Lol my sbs won't get Alice buff 💀
gilded turret
Will try but idk if it will work since Alice will steal the buff lol
cedar junco
Will try but idk if it will work since Alice will steal the buff lol
what u mean? alice buffs 2 highest atkers
gilded turret
But she's the second one
cedar junco
u mean helm will steal alices buff ?
or rhh?
sbs has buffs her own atk on her burst rotation
so alice buff get stolen off burst?
gilded turret
Lmao not even alice
RRh steals it
💀💀💀💀💀💀
But it kinda works
Crown died on the end if not I would have done stage 7 semi afk
Will try again to see if it works
haughty mural
Will try again to see if it works
u got anchor?
its easier to bypass the qte hand off with her and helmT
gilded turret
NVM I'm an idiot she gets the buff when she bursts lol
Otherwise it works I just have to worry about the missiles too but it doesn't happen often
Ez , more than 20 seconds left but goes dive mode
cedar junco
its easier to bypass the qte hand off with her and helmT
is ur anchor tanking the qte? mine still dies
haughty mural
i used the comp pinned in the anchor thread, but my Helm is not Treasued and all of them survive till the end, just not enough damage
the shield of anchor is too big, with helmt it absorb everything and still fine
cedar junco
what is ur anchor stats?
haughty mural
and if lucky we get a Crown shield on top of it
cedar junco
10 on burst?
cedar junco
marble stream
chilly rapids
Dang, seriously
gusty spoke
aversion to losing a "high" chance gacha
zealous shuttle
saving for nikke 2
void swan
I can’t blame him, I do something similar No, on closer inspection I don’t
It’s because you can be sucked into a cursed 60+ gold dump if rng isn’t going your way even with 27.5% or 40% chance
I think it goes 27.5%, 40%, then 60%? But these are SR11, SR12, and SR13 chances for gold kit
To fail all these takes 90 golds
But SR8 without using them 
Idk about that
Surely would’ve tried to use golds at SR6, or at least SR7 if that paranoid?
pine echo
I think it goes 27.5%, 40%, then 60%? But these are SR11, SR12, and SR13 chances...
40% goes to 60%
I know bc I saw that % twice just this week
void swan
I know bc I saw that % twice just this week
RIP
chilly rapids
Wait, having up to 100 gold considered high? i though it was too less (now i have 105)
chilly rapids
Surely would’ve tried to use golds at SR6, or at least SR7 if that paranoid?
I use gold in SR 7, all of them failed in super success
Good thing i only use 10 gold for SR10
void swan
Wait, having up to 100 gold considered high? i though it was too less (now i hav...
Nahh, it's because the others are at 0 gold after losing all their super success and they see you still have 120+
Be careful of dark alleys and be paranoid of that feeling you're being followed
storm willow
my Helm has S1 lv 8. After 3 shot on boss, she has like 95 ~ 99% burst bar. How?
Base: 2.7%
S2 bonus: 2.7%
S1: 13.01%
rain pawn
Don't bosses provide extra gen?
storm willow
yep
x2
now you add x2 into those value and tell me how they are not 100%
not to mention I control Helm too so my base is not 2.7%, it's 2.7 x 2.5
let me verify with emma
rain pawn
Does S2 guaranteed add gen?
cedar junco
u have skill books?
cedar junco
storm willow
base burst gen works like this
Base x bonus gen (scale on charging time) x 2 (if boss/target)
so with Maxwell (2.8%)
2.8% x 2.5 x 2 x 7 = 98%
I finished the burst with exact 20 ammo of Emma
ah so it goes like this
Base ammo: 2.8 x 2 x 2.5 = 14%
S2 bonus: 2.8 x 2 = 5.6%
S1 bonus fix: 13.01% won't be multiplied by 2
if you want helm to 3 shot full bar boss
- S1 must be lv 10 (lv 9 it lacks tiny bit)
- You must control Helm to gain 2.5x more burst gen from ammo
rain pawn
So lvl 9 technically suffices since the rest of the team would make up for that tiny amount
storm willow
yes
safe quiver
what is the best cube for T.Helm if used in PVP, quantum?
charred schooner
yes
misty fable
Helm cube?
void swan
My initial OL effects on Helm didn't turn out good at all
Then I rerolled the pure trash ones, and got more trash
Like Hit Rate on a sniper line 1 and the other two lines empty weren't doing anything at all for Helm, so I rerolled that OL
It came back DEF... stuff like that is trying to rob me of all my rocks so I stopped
haughty mural
ye shit like this and the scheduled meta coming is why i just start setting a budget, like 30 rocks 90 rocks or further
if it doesnt hit then fk that shiet
i set 30 for helmT, ok stats, but i was greedy ytd and went 12 more and no progress, i know i should have stopped sound:968096627002851379:1102024636088189058
daring mirage
i set 30 for helmT, ok stats, but i was greedy ytd and went 12 more and no progr...
why is this so loud
bruh
fuck discord
haughty mural
i just used an emote idk why i added that lol
void swan
i set 30 for helmT, ok stats, but i was greedy ytd and went 12 more and no progr...
15.15% EleDmg
6.88% Atk
68.93% MaxAmmo
6.61% ChSpd
6.88% ChDmg
haughty mural
15.15% EleDmg
6.88% Atk
68.93% MaxAmmo
6.61% ChSpd
6.88% ChDmg
like after how many?
void swan
I think 13 or 14 rocks max
I was complaining in my head after I got to 10 rocks getting trash
haughty mural
haughty mural
i would skip cs even 3rd line
void swan
Why not, some small value in PvP no?
haughty mural
would be a luxury to fix it down, thats 3 liner fix cost
like if I only aim for 1 ammo and atk/ed focus, then when i hit my max rock budget, i kinda have a piece that have at least an atk/ed on it
not a 3rd line cs
void swan
OL1
68.93% MaxAmmo
OL2
15.15% EleDmg
6.88% ChDmg
OL3
3.75% ChSpd
OL4
2.66% ChSpd
6.88% Atk
Alright, time for a drink and something else
gusty spoke
storm willow
eternal pine
I left Frima at SR10 few months ago, decided to treasure her so I can convert the extra for helm.
50 gold spent 
inland badger
the exchange should only limited to treasures from the same season tbh
this free for all exchange just defeat the whole purpose of the system
gusty spoke
the doll upgrading system is fine
low latch
Helm treasure completed 
ivory harbor
More like just started
dusty fog
I used all of my SSR kits on helm and I luckily made it on time
low latch
now got 102 to go <:JienStare:1331121161869721611>
Good thing that Helm treasure is already great at 1. You could honestly stop at 2 and focus on the next treasure like Drake or Miranda
quasi spoke
Good thing that Helm treasure is already great at 1. You could honestly stop at...
this is my second, already got drake phase 3, and i dont have SW built or a team for her built
first attempt with her phase 2, 600m more than my high score previously with qeq
haughty mural
first attempt with her phase 2, 600m more than my high score previously with qeq
Iirc u have a very decked out viperT right? 
quasi spoke
Iirc u have a very decked out viperT right? <:Think:1039298440007536670>
but my xlud is also quite well built, just the cores i think play a massive difference
haughty mural
but my xlud is also quite well built, just the cores i think play a massive diff...
Yea i think you xlud dps is very underwhelming, like she is dealing half of what she supposed to deal in range here
Prolly Rapi low attack buff
Prolly Xlud core plus her line
We are not that far in sync
quasi spoke
my xlud is 10/8/9, plan to go 10/10/10 but havent been able to yet
daring mirage
boots double lock
quasi spoke
boots double lock
anything else to go for atk on?
daring mirage
maybe lock ele on helmet
I feel like that's already more than enough ammo
losing blue ammo for atk should be worth it
quasi spoke
yeah she has over 1k in battle
reroll chest and boots first? then see if i can do others too?
what would ideal stats be
hoping their rerun rework will allow me to get mlb sometime soon, whenever that may be
quasi spoke
2b lvl 500 xlud is basically 30 fps
30 fps?
quasi spoke
im on mobile
quasi spoke
how can i see what the actual is?
daring mirage
try setting everything on low and try again
if you get more damage then you weren’t actually on 60fps
you could count the shots in one second
well with another mg
it should go down by 60 per second
quasi spoke
ive set to low and ill do another run and see the outcome
okay now i need to download 1.6gb of data
woven bear
how can i see what the actual is?
If on android you can check with gpuwatch from dev settings
quasi spoke
on samsung?
woven bear
Ye
woven bear
on samsung?
Should look like this when enabled
quasi spoke
it did make some difference, then it wasnt a consistent 60, more or less avg of 55
with low setting
haughty mural
just got home,
60%atk gap, damn that much attack is what make ~2b difference in damage
quasi spoke
just got home,
60%atk gap, damn that much attack is what make ~2b difference in ...
looks like i need to work on xlud now for atk rolls, i tried rerolling boots and didnt get anything, looks like its gonna be a long grind 
void swan
Ain't no way your xlud is doing only 2,1b in shooting range with 97% ele
Idk, 2.1b feels about right. For some reason I can only do ~1b despite something like 70% ele dmg on X Ludmilla, and I assume that 2.1b is team score
70% ele dmg, 68% max ammo, and zero atk 
Maybe if I had 30%-40% atk and 30% more ele dmg then I can see her doing around 2b+
haughty mural
U loose a lot of ed value without atk
quasi spoke
U loose a lot of ed value without atk
really?
haughty mural
really?
Ye from my testing (where i pull math from my ass looking at the screen)
From Shinono used to tell me to have a balance of atk and ed back then and i followed that and it actually gave me better results
From my union lead who hardcore sr player said similar thing as “you loose alot of damage with just ed”
void swan
Makes sense
haughty mural
And Gatrix used to mention
One of these stat will amplifywhat other stat already contribute
quasi spoke
Ye from my testing (where i pull math from my ass looking at the screen)
From Sh...
ah so diminishing returns basically
void swan
If zero atk is baseline then you're at say 100% dmg output. With 70% ed it's 170% dmg output (let's ignore the base 10% strong element etc for now).
If you instead had atk that changed it to 140% dmg output, with 70% ed it's 238% dmg output
That's +68% dmg output over compared to with zero atk.
You literally get +138% gain instead of merely +70% gain. And it's higher than 70% + 40% = 110%.
This just a virtual example, all made up, but shows how atk gets compounded on by ed
quasi spoke
this whole time i only go for ed 
haughty mural
My sbs loose the carrot all the time i know the feeling
void swan
I did the same but wasn't willing to spend too many rocks to fix. Maybe I should try... this does also explain why I'm only 10.4b this Solo Raid while others are rocking 15b+
but that's way too many characters to fix, I don't have the rocks
void swan
This is the final day just in case you didn't realize
quasi spoke
also maids but havent gotten either yet
void swan
After upcoming reset it's gg no re
quasi spoke
ah shit
haughty mural
ah shit
quasi spoke
thats an even bigger oof
bold bone
I got enough syringes but my doll is sr 10
cedar junco
Ye from my testing (where i pull math from my ass looking at the screen)
From Sh...
u remember the balance ratio?
2:1?
haughty mural
there is ratio too? prolly not something i would be concerned with, it seems to be the very very last step of optimizing and we reallly cant control the ratio, we chase the black and blue anyway
cedar junco
cant afford to chase black and blue 
haughty mural
then u cant afford to chase a perfect ratio
quasi spoke
thats what you need
haughty mural
the ratio is Black:Black here, thats my ratio
cedar junco
wait it is 2:1, i checked the OL table, ele values are pretty much always x2 in the same tier
quasi spoke
its on bsoda of all people too
bold bone
blacked
haughty mural
This is for UR mode specifically
dull kernel
Looks like she may get another skin from collab
inland badger
This is for UR mode specifically
having no p3 helm in this raid
tulip berry
This is for UR mode specifically
can you go test on neutral with a Helm team and a random meta b3 dps team, say Rapi.
i wanna see how Helm P3 match up on vs other apex predators in netural
haughty mural
range?
tulip berry
tulip berry
auto kraken, vs apex predator codename rppb1
hmm i see, cuz i'm contemplating rn whether to go for Drake P3 or Helm P3 rn for next raid
haughty mural
hmm i see, cuz i'm contemplating rn whether to go for Drake P3 or Helm P3 rn for...
if i had gotten her p3 1 day earlier
i think your place is unsafe
tulip berry
charred schooner
hmm i see, cuz i'm contemplating rn whether to go for Drake P3 or Helm P3 rn for...
drake probably bettee
cause helm isnt gonna burst outside of water raids
tulip berry
auto kraken, vs apex predator codename rppb1
hmm, so like 200mil increase, Drake P3 get roughly +200m personal DPS in neutral according to other's testings in Drake thread too.
hmm..
decisions decisions
haughty mural
hmm, so like 200mil increase, Drake P3 get roughly +200m personal DPS in neutral...
i always fail this comp
also fail the mast-anchor
only anchor-mast works
haughty mural
u have cs on any of them?
tulip berry
drake probably bettee
ye, Drake is prob safer , 100% SG is gonna be used since Guilty gonna be there and Massive Object a fat ass with hidden core
but it would suck if Helm P3 main burst get used too, she's like xLud 2.0 but also heals
haughty mural
ye prolly why
damn cs needed
weak range
atk stat is almost identical at 40 +-1% (12 burst helmt goes first)
gusty spoke
smh xlud has core advantage
haughty mural
i just copied what gatrix did
tulip berry
new Massive Object seem like it core is exposed now too, fuck, it even feature Helm squad in it
why dont they give doll items compensation bruh, i can't go for both Helm and Drake P3
plucky summit
Drake p3 over helm p3?
gusty spoke
if core is exposed and permanent with no pierce needed. fire mg team > sg team
tulip berry
too bad dispatch can't be carried over for days so we can't wait out to find out what's the boss gonna be like
plucky summit
How good is helm p3 in neutral?
gusty spoke
i think it has potential, depend on your OL's
if heavy on atk, yea it can be better than decent
people couldn't really test it out against mat h because it would target mobs
tulip berry
<:WindCode:1300677385859108945> weak range
atk stat is almost identical at 40 +-...
xlud tier, not super amazing in neutral but damage is damage, in term of dmg gains alone then Drake P3 and Helm P3 is roughly the same.
the main thing is that Helm P3 allow you to run 1-1-3 effectively, with all dps contribute into dealing dmg while still giving buffs / healing in the process, while helm as off-burst is mostly there as a buffer.
tulip berry
i'm switching to drake tomorrow
feel like doing this too tbh, Guilty was top 3 DPS last wind weak, that's not saying much since we don't have that many hyper Wind DPS in the first place.
gusty spoke
i’m switching to drake coz i got helm p3 today 
tulip berry
plucky summit
I suppose helm p2 is ady a better crown flex than Maxwell or Rapunzel right
tulip berry
fumble of the year, skipping out season 1 treasures completely biting me in the ass rn
tulip berry
I suppose helm p2 is ady a better crown flex than Maxwell or Rapunzel right
yup, Helm is pretty much the queen of all flex dps (off-burst) rn
plucky summit
Ok thanks
rain pawn
fumble of the year, skipping out season 1 treasures completely biting me in the ...
Was going to ask how you can't get both, but now I see 
tulip berry
rain pawn
Although Phase 3 for Drake might still be difficult for me as well. Gonna be relying on the next SR rewards to fill out the last bits 
This is why I didn't want the multi-treasure waves 
charred schooner
it wouldve been fine if they actually stuck to 3 treasure waves
but nah
SU needed to be greedy
rain pawn
No, wouldn't be any different
Milk isn't useful
Even Miranda is niche
It's a problem as long as even two of the treasures are both good
We can't predict the actual opportunity cost without knowing what's coming in the next two months
Only reason we know to expect Massive Object (Iron) is because of the early promotional material for the collab 
charred schooner
No, wouldn't be any different
it would
less trash mats to drop
in SR rewards
like doll mats yeah it wouldnt matter but it would be significantly less garbage floating in your inventory
rain pawn
I suppose that would affect it a bit, yeah, but core problem remains
That garbage just becomes useful for next wave anyway
charred schooner
yeah but what happens when they start making 3 treasures be good
it doesnt if you never treasure the unit
rain pawn
Then we're screwed either way
charred schooner
I have so many season 1 mats cause I only treasured exia
rain pawn
Just need to treasure the units then 
charred schooner
with what doll mats
no point in putting a treasure on them if Im never gonna use them
im not investing on viper for her to MAYBE show up in a raid
rain pawn
Viper's no worse than Exia is
charred schooner
she wasnt even in this raid and it was water weak (ik the boss mechanics were ass but yk)
rain pawn
She was in this raid 
charred schooner
Viper's no worse than Exia is <:kek:798677933253853245>
tbf I regret getting the exia treasure a bit as well
charred schooner
She was in this raid <:mainwot:659758994751094785>
not that much
cause sg was not used as much
rain pawn
She was the most used 5th option
gusty spoke
exia just need a good b2 cdr to be released
gusty spoke
and she’ll stay staple tor electric raids
charred schooner
exia just need a good b2 cdr to be released
yeah thats what im waiting for
perhaps mast treasure
then rouge can actually go with blanc
rain pawn
Also, for whales who refresh dispatch, there are enough doll mats 
I have all four treasures already
charred schooner
yeah but we shouldnt base things on what whales can do
tbf if I didnt doll non treasure units id be fine but like
rain pawn
Sadly we play a game with Level Infinite as the publisher
charred schooner
SR15 rapi is very nice
rain pawn
Honestly she was still useful without treasure
charred schooner
fucking halfway through SR8 and now almost SR12
charred schooner
Honestly she was still useful without treasure <:thonk:888230093267304558>
im ngl I rushed this raid cause I had no fucking time
cause it was midterm week
rain pawn
Ouch
charred schooner
so I forgot to put her in my comp
I also didnt feel like sweating that much cause I dont have phantom and my QEQ is like not built at all
I also did a dumbass move and ticketed anchor after I did my runs with only 30 mins left till raid ended and I had class
so I didnt have maids to run
inland badger
if nothing change, you can exploit the treasure system anyway
just stick to the material for treasure you already complete
guarrantee 100% exchange mats, limit trash drops you dont need
storm willow
non ele, Helm is pretty stacked. The diff is quite real 
25% ATK helm vs 22% ATK Xlud with only 150% ammo
woven bear
I assume rapi has ele advantage
cedar junco
non ele, Helm is pretty stacked. The diff is quite real <:koko1:1225679695647998...
Is this agains wind weak?
storm willow
yeah
cedar junco
I assume rapi has ele advantage
Rapi powercreeps all
rain pawn
Anni and NY units always powerhouses
cedar junco
Stacking 1600 pity for next year
gusty spoke
players being surprised when an mg dps does a lot of damage against a permanent core boss 
cedar junco
non ele, Helm is pretty stacked. The diff is quite real <:koko1:1225679695647998...
how do u even make rapi do like double the dmg of xlud? mine are pretty even agains wind weak
xlud: 16% atk/255% ammo
rapi: 10%atk/230% ammo
haughty mural
Bricked lud 
Against wind weak but Rapi deal 3b is hugeee
Mine only 2.2 at 40 ish atk
Sth sth needs clarification
brave sun
auto kraken, vs apex predator codename rppb1
Don't we use mast and sbs to burst first
haughty mural
Strictly you dont have to
With mast you frontload the dps
But doing this you might hit the timing where anchor burst with helmT tight into qte
That point it only relies on anchor s1 to fill the hp shield up, helmT got nullified
This way you could get a different timing where Anchor HelmT burst before qte appears, fill the hp shield up and be ready for the slam
The anchor crown is the similar variant
Same order, just Mast there enable Anchor s1, while Crown doesnt
haughty mural
U will fail Anchor Crown if u dont have enough say charge speed
cedar junco
U will fail Anchor Crown if u dont have enough say charge speed
im running that without charge speed on helm tho?
my anchor ults like 1 sec before qte hits
haughty mural
my anchor ults like 1 sec before qte hits
Yeah mine doesnt hit that timing
She lost the shield right before qte and the burst not fast enough
cedar junco
Sth sth needs clarification
that guy is fighting agains fire weak boss 🤡
i tried myself, rapi's dmg is double of xlud
haughty mural
Cmonbruh him next time he shows up 
woven bear
Fraudtrix 
bold bone
Can i replace naga with helm for kraken
void swan
Can i replace naga with helm for kraken
Yes
The Kraken full auto team that’s circulating for veterans does this
Well, that’s not technically accurate
Since the full auto team uses Helm’s burst
But yeah, when I killed Kraken in my p9 clear, I used BS Scarlet, Alice, Helm. No Naga
storm willow
ph true
I hit 2nd in bracket
should be fire weak
pardon me, had a rough workshop yesterday after I was reduced 20% income
double penetration
bold bone
Thank god i can finally replace naga now i dont have to spend 30 minutes per day trying kraken
void swan
Pretty nice
I have no idea if that was a difficult struggle, or still relatively easy
3 seconds left to time out and Helm died
storm willow
Nihi
hexed jetty
Elysion wishlist
Helm MMast MAnchor DWife []
Phantom/MPriv
Crown Liter x x x
HelmT Alice XLud vs
RH Alice HelmT
prime pagoda
PrivM for electric raids and SG team
We could even end up getting a B2 like leona that not just buffs pellets but SGs in general + gives more buffs to SGs which would make the SG team more versatile, instead of having to go with the bunnies or the JKs
hexed jetty
after DrakeT, only for electric raids
BSoda is tied to the team so only one B3 slot
unless using Leona, it'll be 2-1-2 with Naga or 1-1-3 with Noir
prime pagoda
Yeah, hence why I said a "better" leona
If we get a B2 healer that buffs SGs that is
dull kernel
Looks like she may get another skin from collab <:kekw:1009394634692247632>
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1108346931819851806/1340868245229666324/Gj9FU-wXYAA6eRB.png?ex=67b3ec5d&is=67b29add&hm=73201920b29ecf9bd424275c7997c10add3574116012d7da91c24f3d8fdb9488&
Damn it, a gacha skin
unkempt lichen
How good is helm with favorite item and where she's used?
unkempt lichen
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1108346931819851806/1340868245229666324/G...
Rip
dusty fog
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1108346931819851806/1340868245229666324/G...
I'll have to see how good it looks
If I'm convinced enough, then I'll spend
dull kernel
How good is helm with favorite item and where she's used?
She’s meta in PvP and pretty versatile in PvE as well
unkempt lichen
She’s meta in PvP and pretty versatile in PvE as well
Pvp? Didn't know that
dusty fog
Oh what I didn't know about that either
dull kernel
Her burst gauge fill from S1 is insane
S1 lv10 + extra from S2 is the highest burst gen in game
pine echo
They went crazy with the helm focus these few months huh
A helm simp must have gotten promoted to a pretty high position in SU recently
eternal pine
They make sure Helm stay relevant, alt with cdr, and insane treasure kit.
someone on devs team must be Helm simp
rain pawn
If we get a B2 healer that buffs SGs that is
Nayuta for half anni 
gusty spoke
along with isabel treasure?
rain pawn
Hilariously despite being a Day 6 player and whale, I wouldn't be able to treasure Isabel. Only LB1 
pine echo
so I wanna keep a high ammo roll, and both CS and the ele, but I also wanna get an extra ele
I got 2 options I think:
1: Single lock left piece, hunt for line 1 or 2 ele + Double lock right piece, hunt for line 1 ammo
2: Double lock left piece, hunt for line 2 ele
which route is better 
my other 2 pieces are optimal cs/ele/atk already
I don't want any atk lines on these 2 pieces
or is she even worth it in the long run hunting for extra ~20% ish ele (at 76% rn)
it'll be like what, ~10% final dmg increase factoring in cube and base ele bonus?
inland badger
too much ammo = bricked s1 crit rate
pine echo
It's borderline worthless anyway
From my tests 10-13 seem to be best, even left on auto
So I wanna keep at least 1 high ammo line
Volume burst provides universal crit rate with 2x the value... No one gives a damn
rain pawn
S1 probably only truly worth for weird builds using Volume + seamaids
Otherwise just a small perk
Number 1 of last SR proved how potent Volume + Seamaids could be, tho QeQ is extremely synergistic with crit
pine echo
For maids doesn't helm have inf ammo anyway
How do you even trigger s1
Maybe there's window for you to spam through magazine when there isn't enough reload speed?
Idk if that's even worth it tho
cedar junco
Where full model of that new gacha skin?
Need to look at bottom half before considering buying
marble stream
too much ammo = bricked s1 crit rate
Nah but tbh her critical rate buff is kinda meh
void swan
Nah but tbh her critical rate buff is kinda meh
Yeah, you can completely ignore it and play as if it doesn't exist
Helm is awesome now
I took a closer look at pirate maids reload speed and it seems to not be what I expected
29.69% reload speed from Resilience cube
- 44.35% reload speed from Crown - 15s
- Or 40.04% reload speed from Maid Anchor - 15s, after Full Burst ends
- With 15.04% * Drunk stacks (45.12% max) reload speed from Maid Mast - 10s, on entering Burst Stage 3
Did I just go and forget that instant reload speed doesn't exist without additional help?
inland badger
Kisenix moment
void swan
74.04% reload speed on Helm. (Resil cube + Crown)
2s base reload time on Helm.
1.4808 reload time deducted.
0.5192 reload time remaining.
void swan
True. Cleaned it up
inland badger
Because everyone will ignore what he's talking about?
also the tendency to self quote and answering
nothing against him though
rain pawn
For maids doesn't helm have inf ammo anyway
Don't give her Resilience cube
Res cube is required for infinite ammo
void swan
So, what happens when Helm's charge damage multiplier buffed shots crit?
What's the interaction between charge damage and crits?
woven bear
What's the interaction between charge damage and crits?
Seperate multi
prime pagoda
marble stream
Haahahaha
ivory harbor
60$ for helm skin or stellar blade on ps5
void swan
I bought Mass Effect, the Legendary version with the trilogy put together, for like $1 when it was on sale 
More valuable than Helm skin?
frank pier
if you have treasure helm, is it worth rerolling her OL lines?
hexed jetty
for her personal damage, why not
Quency level water DPS in coreless environment
Helm has zero built-in ATK buffs in her kit
so she scales well with ATK lines too
rain pawn
Really depends on how well invested your other critical units are
Rocks are a resource literally no one has excess of
There are most likely other units that'll have more dramatic increases by getting rocks than Helm
Especially with the next raid not being water-weak, Helm OL rerolls now should either be for higher performance vs AI Harvester or charge speed for PvP
pine echo
why is my 76% ele 10/7/7 p3 helm weaker than 23% ele xlud (when ele is equalized)
I thought she was supposed to be better water dps than xlud
on manual controlling xlud, seems like helm gets punished hard by auto hitrate nerf, but still mid
helm gets extra burst btw
charred schooner
helm gets extra burst btw
xlud benefits more from the core dmg buff
idk why you’d be running naga
rain pawn
MG vs core w/ Naga 
The fact that Helm even managed more damage shows how incredibly strong she is
marble stream
Yeah and in most battles core isn't up 100% uptime
pine echo
My Cindy still beats her in water weak
charred schooner
what the fuck are you actually comparing
ain’t no way you’re comparing a unit that was literally broken on release and when they fixed her bugs kept the brokeness to a treasured at release unit that isn’t meant to be mainly a dps
like that’s actually just stupid
try compairing helmT to xlud on a UR boss and see how that goes
pine echo
I was under the impression that helm+ was gonna save water
she's just another one of the decent water dps we already got
I'm never believing in a water savior again until a water pilgrim dps comes out
good thing I didn't try to hunt for that 4th ele line
charred schooner
I was under the impression that helm+ was gonna save water
she does though…?
and she’s not just a dps
pine echo
water still needs a meta dps
pine echo
how's that supposed to save water
just disappointed with her dmg, definitely a distant third thing she's good at behind off-burst buffer/gen and pvp unit
I'll just wait for actual meta water dps
hollow widget
If ur Helm burst doesn't deal 180 mil dmg in SR then your line suck balls, sorry being blunt 
pine echo
yes
rain pawn
I'm never believing in a water savior again until a water pilgrim dps comes out
2.5 anni will save water in that way
charred schooner
If ur Helm burst doesn't deal 180 mil dmg in SR then your line suck balls, sorry...
^
your helm is also 10/7/7 when all her dps boosting stuff is in S2 and burst..
pine echo
and my xlud is also 10/7/7 SR5 with less gear lvls
charred schooner
shes also a MG on a completely open core boss
not just with regular mg inflation with core, she also literally has additional dmg from core procs
pine echo
she's also a mid-good dps
doing worse than mid-good dps at her peak is not a big accomplishment
charred schooner
but shes not worse
????
you’re literally comparing them in an unfair situation
pine echo
no-core boss, now xlud is in unfair situation
if you're trying to convince me that helm is the best water dps or some meta/pilgrim lvl dps, don't bother, I ain't buying it
charred schooner
no-core boss, now xlud is in unfair situation <:BlancStare:1121783303922532403>
its not if most bosses are coreless/low core uptime nowadays…
and not trying to say she’s pilgrim level dps, but if you count utility and her dps, she’s by far the best water unit rn
rain pawn
cedar junco
Last time i checked that sheet xlud had her boss set to water weak for the left column...
pine echo
I don't trust any list that puts sakura, guillo and scarlet over rh 
even crown is higher than rh there
rain pawn
Yes, because MG is broken 
pine echo
it's ranking by someting that isn't actually practical
rain pawn
Which you're also doing by pitting X Lud vs Helm on a full core boss
The numbers in that sheet are made assuming ideal conditions for MG
RH sucks when a boss doesn't have pierce points
Same for Alice
Put X Lud vs HelmT against Kraken and watch HelmT destroy X Lud
What mostly makes SBS and Cindy powerful is having dedicated supports that synergize with what their kits do
Run Cindy without Rouge and watch her damage go down the drain
pine echo
water-weak 
cedar junco
And gatix fked some sheet by some having ele adv and others not
Tried fixing that and got that as result
rain pawn
pine echo
why did rh jump so much from elemental
also the fact that guillo is still top 5 in all categories means I ain't trusting lists like that
pine echo
yeah that's why I'm not trusting the list
rain pawn
But I agree, I tend to look at raonmiru's stats more than Gatrix's
cuz he sets very realistic scenarios
cedar junco
why did rh jump so much from elemental
that list assume most ideal situation
dont ask me
ask gatrix
rain pawn
why did rh jump so much from elemental
Not just elemental, but also pierce
Remove pierce and RH falls hard
I couldn't find the updated list, so I used bad/old info I guess 
cedar junco
Remove pierce and RH falls hard
correct just half it
rain pawn
Anyway, HelmT's main strength is her flexibility in use rather than just her damage specifically
rain pawn
correct just half it
Is it only 2x pierce?
Pretty sure she can hit 3x on certain bosses
cedar junco
Pretty sure she can hit 3x on certain bosses
2 much work for agtrix prob
cedar junco
what is this?
rain pawn
cedar junco
oooh
rain pawn
Anyway, HelmT's main strength is her flexibility in use rather than just her dam...
But following up on this, consider she was getting around same damage as X Lud in the above screenshots but also keeping the entire team at full hp
That's huge value
Cindy comp was not comfy the last two raids (for top damage comps)
If someone was advertising her to be Pilgrim-tier, then yeah, that's not accurate
I'm personally not planning to use her as an on-burst unit outside of water raids unless they give us some truly lethal bosses
but off-burst with Crown? 👌
I was simply arguing that HelmT's main position of advantage is in non-core situations while X Lud & QeQ very much want cores
Sadly, this time I for some reason didn't actually record my unit damage for SR; just team damage
vague pivot
Did I just see someone crying about a non-pilgrim character not having pilgrim level dps…?
cedar junco
rain pawn
My teams
In my case, X Lud did end up dealing more damage, but I didn't manage to get more than 80% ele on HelmT by the raid 
cedar junco
i just checked and this table made in v1.9 looks wrong, it looks different in v2...
leaden pawn
That's no buff Vs team buffs
pine echo
I was wondering why the OL recommendations for helm+ were less than other meta dps, now I know it's bc she's not a meta dps, simple as that
rain pawn
I mean, she is meta and a damage dealer 
pine echo
glad I went with pvp focus for OL lines instead of pve focus
rain pawn
But no water DPS units are going to be carrying neutral
Only need to work hard on lines for her if wanting to S9 Harvester or sweat in water-weak raids
That's why mine's not above 80% ele
void swan
Meta support tbh
The burst dps is nice for when she has to burst or if the alternative is making somebody use an AoE burst for less damage
Makes her flexible
hollow widget
just admit ur OL lines are dogshit so you gonna have this opinion
pine echo
someone didn't read far up enough
hollow widget
water-weak <:Shrug:1280358399204397078>
this shit? ur lucky maint still going on rn
pine echo
further
hollow widget
so this image u ignore it?
pine echo
what you trying to prove with that
hollow widget
ur investment not that great when u give such a shallow feeback
pine echo
my helm invest is much greater than xlud invest
again, I was expecting a water dps a good amount better than current ones, that's not what I got
charred schooner
again you're literally comparing the most ideal situation which DOESNT HAPPEN in bosses ever
like name any recent boss with permanent core uptime
there's not
unless its a boss rerun
and even then, its still not permanent core
and the scaling on helm's burst is far greater than xlud's, so level 7 helm burst is significantly weaker proportionally to xlud level 7 burst
hoary flame
X Lud has near top DPS in the game vs core when solo
everything that is not alice level considered mid by him,i've been there
hoary flame
SBS alone is weaker than X Lud <a:kekwwa:1016228345823907880>
my agenda of sbs being washed without alice leves on
prime pagoda
sure
prime pagoda
rain pawn
That's a towel
inland badger
with bra and panties underneath
rain pawn
There is no bra Bra would end up going above the surface of the water
inland badger
oh wait, not on the BG
but still the water's too thick
cant see shit
unlike the king
storm willow
Call inner eyes
winged osprey
inland badger
it's the best aegis squad gacha burst screen for sure
tulip berry
hollow widget
marble stream
urban edge
Is this a typo?
leaden pawn
Is this a typo?
Yes
urban edge
Fix it 
leaden pawn
Is this a typo?
Wait this is skills
Hmm
@storm willow is medium fine or do we do high
hexed jetty
HelmT is more universally relevant than every medium rated unit you have on that list
if anything, why is Leona rated as high
her pickrate on SG team is kind of dead
especially with BSoda and DrakeT who don't even use her S2
urban edge
She sync with Drake.
Leona is a weird case, like there is always a reason for her to show up.
leaden pawn
if anything, why is Leona rated as high
her pickrate on SG team is kind of dead
...
Cuz we haven't updated it
rain pawn
Leona is a weird case, like there is always a reason for her to show up.
Not really. Leona has a garbage pick rate
void swan
Leona's been dead ever since people started drinking the Blanc & Noir koolaid for SG team
Not much reason to invest in her either unless it needed a Water unit to break QTE
So far she's primarily tied to Maid Privaty when it concerns min/max
Also, team like this makes Leona a poor choice: Tove, Leona, Bunny Soda, Drake (+treasure), Bunny Alice
Because you've benched Maid Privaty, the one that benefits most from Leona
gusty spoke
helmid
ivory harbor
Can someone tell me why prygwen says that helm needs sr 15 doll?
eternal pine
Can someone tell me why prygwen says that helm needs sr 15 doll?
Uhh, for treasure?
ivory harbor
I'm so fucking dumb
dusty fog
Indeed she does 
bold bone
Why shouldnt i optimize her equipment
pine echo
Why shouldnt i optimize her equipment
she's not a pilgrim tier water dps
dps-wise she's about the same as qeq and xlud
her other uses don't need OL optimization *except pvp
if you're fine with optimizing qeq and xlud, then sure go ahead and do helm too
cedar junco
1-2 good lines per peice should be enough, next half anni or anni they will relase top water dps 
ivory harbor
Guys if I'm running helm with higher attack than sbs does helm steal then Alice's buffs from sbs? Because I don't know if sbs buffs her attack or how does that alice buff work
cedar junco
Guys if I'm running helm with higher attack than sbs does helm steal then Alice'...
Alice buffs 2 highest atks on burst, but sbs also increase atk on her own burst so she will get it but when she doesnt burst she will not
U also needs to check atk OL tho
If the atk ranking with OL is from highest to low: helm , alice , sbs
Helm and sbs get buff when sbs burst
Helm and alice when alice burst
Something like that
ivory harbor
😁
quasi spoke
new helm and xlud rolls doing good (still only p2)
dont think this was ar 60 fps either since on mobile
charred schooner
new helm and xlud rolls doing good (still only p2)
wtf are your rolls on viper for her cp to be that much higher
quasi spoke
wtf are your rolls on viper for her cp to be that much higher
no1 viper simp 
core7 too xlud is lb0
charred schooner
wtf
tight dust
Literally the same. Disappointed
marble stream
Try asukaWille instead of Alice
marble stream
Yeah in your comparison SBS won with helmT because she's not hitting core half of the battle I think
But Alice is hitting core so she's gaining dmg with naga
hexed jetty
how did bro only get +150mil on ScarBS switching from Naga to Helm
and pathetic Helm personal damage
uninvested?
rain pawn
Helm looks very uninvested by CP
And also, yeah, Alice 
Union mate switching from Naga to HelmT using SBS/S Sakura 
bold bone
i dont get much improvement switching from naga to helmt either
but at least helm doesnt die
i can get to 7.5 on kraken
i probably need to invest in sakura to get 8
cedar junco
Union mate switching from Naga to HelmT using SBS/S Sakura <a:sip:85219185508443...
i get pretty much these score with sbs/alice from naga to helmt with my boomers hands 
with my shit asuka 2, sbs/asuka burst
sbs dmg pretty much the same dmg when using helmt or alice
Prob also skill issue
pine echo
that was my experience as well
void swan
These drawings have 99% critical rate to the eyes
haughty mural
“Selected target as in Stage Final boss objective”
teal kayak
guys how to make helm heal faster?
void swan
guys how to make helm heal faster?
Wydm, like have the lifeleech on team more often, or make team heal bigger and harder?
teal kayak
Wydm, like have the lifeleech on team more often, or make team heal bigger and h...
trigger sorry, cuz im trying to use this team as campaign pusher will that be fine?
void swan
trigger sorry, cuz im trying to use this team as campaign pusher will that be fi...
She can't heal for "reals" like that
teal kayak
i saw some builds using rrh as b1 together with helm is like replacing naga and liter??
void swan
That S1 heal proc from treasure is like, a tiny bandaid applied to a missing arm attempt at healing
Treat it only as a proc triggering heal
She does it every fully charged shot. Each 1 second
void swan
i saw some builds using rrh as b1 together with helm is like replacing naga and ...
Yeah
Helm treasure replaces Naga
RRH replaces Liter
void swan
But Helm treasure as offburst can't heal well at all
plucky summit
i need to full burst for her to heal everyone?
full charge
teal kayak
full charge* sorry not burst
void swan
Helm treasure has two ways to heal.
Her fully charged shot procs team heal. Very very low heal, it's tiny, it's good for triggering procs that require receiving a heal. Like Crown's.
Her burst buffs team with lifeleech. As allies attack enemy, they heal for a % of the damage they dealt. It's good. MGs like RRH will basically full heal from near death in 2 or 3 seconds
But supports that do very little damage may heal slowly
teal kayak
OHHHHHHHHHHHH so like burst her if you need immediate lifesteal?
void swan
Yeah
teal kayak
and u want to trigger crowns' attack buff, u can also just full charge?
void swan
Yeah, or let her auto shoot. Auto shooting always full charge
teal kayak
ahhhh
regarding fast burst generation can I ask here about how does RRH does that?
or do i need to go to rrh thread
void swan
The team or specifically RRH? Because if it's team, Helm treasure lets Helm's fully charged shots have a massive amount of burst gen
void swan
Idk. Probably not
Grenades from her S1 will attach to enemies and if they can't attach, they explode. Otherwise they wait for team to enter Full Burst
Then they explode
So the burst gen you get from firing the grenade shouldn't be that much
And if team is in Full Burst, it's too late anyway? Can't generate burst while in Full Burst
teal kayak
that makes sense
void swan
But, if your grenades are on an enemy you then kill, it explodes
Maybe that's what they mean
pine echo
from my auto shooting range tests of crown/rapipi/helm+/qeq/xlud, going from 10/7/7 p3 helm to 10/10/7 increased team dmg by avg of 3%, and increased helm dmg by avg of 8%
should I max her burst as well
pine echo
@storm willow do you know how much helm's dmg increases when going from 10/10/7 to 10/10/10
pine echo
pine echo
this is additive to the 250% base right?
