[Helm] New Unit Megathread

[cedar junco]

• very stable

heals is ridicilous

just dont get one shot

[hoary flame]

i'm building laplace t to 1/10/7 rn,then save till colab,then decide where to go

[fading sail]

the minimum for surviving the one shot (for Rapi and Helm) is core +1 with maxed out lvl 5 equipment and sr15 dolls and lvl 7 tempering cube

[woven bear]

If alice just a buff slave here, wouldnt mana be better?, slightly better spd buffer, and more dmg on auto since wind.

[cedar junco]

helm will steals mana's buffs

[woven bear]

Oh right

[brave sun]

Damn

[fading sail]

I believe you can also sub that +1 core with a +def mod (Tested on an MLB Helm with a 11.11% def line)

[cedar junco]

another possible solution not fully auto is to start battle and go in cover for x secs ( depending on your team dmg)

x secs just to have stage 4 on around 1:42

so he does the qte

dont know if the dmg is enough to clear stage 7 then tho

[fading sail]

I dont think you can deal enough damage if you're still at stage 4 when the qte timer is up

besides, its not a full auto if you interfere

[cedar junco]

yea true

[fading sail]

I think stage 3 helm will contribute another 200k-400k damage maybe if you didnt deal enough damage to make it to stage 7

[cedar junco]

im still in the stage of surviving that stage 5 qte

no resource to build

[prime pagoda]

[gray basalt]

What OLs THelm wants?

[gusty spoke]

4 ele 4 atk 77% ammo at least. the rest is whatever

[gray basalt]

Thank you!

[haughty mural]

why 77 ammo?

[gusty spoke]

77 ammo is +5 already

you really think she’d want as much ammo as alice?

[haughty mural]

thought it might be something else behide random number

[gusty spoke]

68% is still +4

85% being black line is +5

is there meth for charge damage lines on her

considering both skill and doll multiply cdamage

she wants to shoot as many as possible during her own burst

the crit rate was mostly for sw back in the day

but now sw has tmiranda

[haughty mural]

damn why i doll drake instead, helmt is more fun

[gusty spoke]

though it’s not impossible you pair thelm with sw

[haughty mural]

she is boring lol

[gusty spoke]

thelm + tmiranda might give sg team a fierce competition if boss is sw friendly

[woven bear]

Not good cus charge dmg multiplier is additive to charge dmg OL

[wanton kayak]

Helm is more boring ngl, but we are going crazy for her now due to reason obvious

[gusty spoke]

shame, I thought it’d get multiplied as well

right, ol buffs are a separate buff that have their own icons

[cyan wagon]

Meanwhile Milk's thread:

[haughty mural]

even miranda coper comes here

you know she is the game

[gusty spoke]

shinonono just waiting for that iron weak sw friendly boss

and go ham

6 billion score sw team or sth

[teal marsh]

@cyan wagon dumb question, how many people can rush helm phase 3 before solo raid ends next month?

[cyan wagon]

How do I know LOL

[teal marsh]

I hope SU is taking https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1329401470415798354 into account, though personally I might just barely make it depending on solo raid RNG

[gusty spoke]

you might have more time than you think

it seems that we’re back to 2nd thursday of the month

for solo raid

so 13 feb start

[prime pagoda]

as long as you saved the boxes to redeem the new fav items you should have Helm's Phase 3 by the time it starts

75 from dispatchs from now until raid starts + the ones that will drop from clearing Stages 1-7

[gusty spoke]

you also have like 6 days til the last day of SR

[cyan wagon]

That's insulting

[cyan wagon]

GD next raid

[gusty spoke]

have fun hitting the core

[rain pawn]

The only people who shouldn't be able to get Phase 3 Helm by raid are people who chose to get the random boxes and got very bad luck with distribution, people who farmed a treasure mat for a character they don't have to Phase 3, or people who have decided to upgrade phases for another unit this wave

(assuming the player has been playing since treasure system was implemented)

[gusty spoke]

bricked myself picking random box for 2 days

was deciding between drake or helm

[cyan wagon]

It's easy

[gusty spoke]

ok, waiting for that 40 billion sw run

[inland badger]

if you dont have a single treasure done in s1, you cant exchange the leftovers

so for people like me, who didn't do any treasure in s1

we have to wait the old fashion way

[rain pawn]

That's what I said with the second point, yeah

Had to do the random boxes if you didn't get any S1 treasures

[inland badger]

not sure if i agree with them

regarding the exchange system

just let us exchange for any amount that's over the required amount

[gusty spoke]

you’re not in their target demographic

[inland badger]

forgot

f2ps have no rights

[mint tusk]

One shot 240b GD

[cyan wagon]

[zenith pumice]

I think that thread can close, no activity for 36hrs

[red heron]

I can probably do it if I can reach sr15 by then lol

I have 56 items for her now with roughly 180 items to trade once I level her treasure

[barren sand]

Is her damage good?

[red heron]

probably

we can't test it till we have her final upgrade in a few weeks

[gusty spoke]

we got more damage in coop using her instead of xmaiden (2.2b vs 2.35b)

[red heron]

how much investment on helm/maiden?

[gusty spoke]

idk, but given that xmaiden should’ve been winning

it’s a bit weird

[red heron]

yeah very

[gusty spoke]

i think helm allowed rouge to reach 30 full charged shots faster

[red heron]

makes sense, she fills the burst faster so you don't need as many quick shots with rouge

[rain pawn]

18 days

[brave sun]

https://fixvx.com/USANIKU_NIKU/status/1880194013384548704?t=poKe7bK_Vx2Z682PXemFRg&s=19

[brave sun]

Let me exchange mats shiftup

[red heron]

let me buy doll materials shiftup

[red heron]

the fact that they release 4 new onew without a pack in the shop is

my rapi ate those already

she took me to sr14

and now my drake is stuck at r12

[rain pawn]

I double 14'd with Drake

so Miranda treasure will have to wait a while

[red heron]

and you still had enough for helm?

[rain pawn]

SW proably won't be too useful for the next two raids anyway, so

[rain pawn]

I refresh dispatch

🐳

[red heron]

how many maxxed dolls do you have

[red heron]

so do I

[marble stream]

Fund me

Leo don't wanna fund me

[rain pawn]

16

[red heron]

wow your lucky

I only have 11

sbs, exia and rapi all cost me way to much

[rain pawn]

How picky are you about dispatch options?

[red heron]

not very

[brave sun]

Just reset dispatch

[red heron]

I do 2-3 rerolls per day

[gusty spoke]

120 euros?

that's a scam

[marble stream]

Google play taxes

[prime pagoda]

Is using a VPN and buying somewhere with no taxes bannable?

[red heron]

I mean you can just buy it on pc, then its a bit cheaper

[ivory harbor]

So helm good

[mint tusk]

Yep

[leaden pawn]

Helm good
Drake good
Miranda is good for snowwhite and Maxwell

Milk bad

[mint tusk]

I knew it when I made her SR15 months ago

[red heron]

is helm the best treasure so far?

[mint tusk]

It depends on your play style

If you are a brainded Snow simp

Miranda is the strap on u need

[leaden pawn]

Bro pls tell them to remake milk treasure

[mint tusk]

Anything else, just go for Helm

[leaden pawn]

Drake or Helm are the best

Don't brickge me

[mint tusk]

[solemn apex]

[ivory harbor]

I don't play sg teams so I guess I'll upgrade helm

[fiery mist]

Doable until raid

Cause you got some small bumps on Solo Raid normal clears

[prime pagoda]

• the 1:5 ratio from those solo raid clears

I have around 220 frima mats but I dont even have her LB2 yet

[brave sun]

my frima is sr15 but I don't have her ol gear

[red heron]

same, 226 but the doll isn't finished

[wintry sphinx]

Helm god

[ivory harbor]

Woah

[mossy locust]

This shit reminds me abnormal gears

We are forced to get them

[fading sail]

@cedar junco Oh I've just realized that Rapi would need an additional def line (or dupe) to survive, compared to Helm, since during the exact moment of that qte attack, Helm is receiving the previous def buff from crown s1. This explained why Helm had more hp than Rapi after surviving that qte attack for me (my Rapi and Helm should have the exact same stats)

[brave sun]

Def line mandatory now

[fading sail]

more like an actually useful bonus if you have it

[cedar junco]

oh boi, rerolling ol for def

[winged path]

So helm and drake are max tressures what about milk and miranda ?

[rain pawn]

Miranda Phase 3 practically useless

Grab it when you finish the others

Milk treasure is current Frima tier

Never going to be used outside of very niche scenerios (or if Shift Up buffs her)

[fading sail]

#1329052984226611200 message

[brave sun]

Do we still reroll for ammo

[fiery mist]

Only 1 line

[pine echo]

can someone do the math for me, what's the absolute worst case situation if I used all of these kits (0 super success unless 100%)

how far would I get

also what's the avg expected result if there's a way to find that out

[fiery mist]

Purple 7-8

[pine echo]

that's better than I thought

any idea avg case?

[fiery mist]

Just rng it

You get R0 to 15 for like 100 blue kit at worst for my expirence

[tulip berry]

you need to be lucky for that package to go from R0 -> SR15
much more do-oable if the doll in question is already SR5

[tulip berry]

damn we not playing the same game then
R0 ~ R15 always take me 150~200 blues on avg

[fiery mist]

Manifesting 60 blue R0 to SR15

[tulip berry]

truuu, i've seen someone flexed their journey to SR15 with only a handful of blues
those mfs live life on ez mode fr fr

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-gif-21994457

[pine echo]

so... you guys think it's worth?

[cyan wagon]

Worth

[pine echo]

approx how many days of max refresh dispatch (until good stuff) would it take to match the worst case result

[cyan wagon]

I got 2 R0->SR15 with that pack only

[pine echo]

[pine echo]

like does someone have an avg daily kit income for this

[tight dust]

More need skill reset in cash shop

[gusty spoke]

you reset someone only for it to come back in treasure or some niche ass use like A2

[tulip berry]

if you have 100 bucks to spare, it's worth ig
Drake + Helm treasures so universal i think not having them for upcoming raid could tank your solo raid score
unlike Season #1,2 treasures were more niche for a single raid, this time we have 3 not so niche one.

surely they gib skill reset on Feb, they did so last 2 years (D-Outsider + Perfect Maid), ain't no way they cheap out this year, esp with how much units they pumping each month now

[gusty spoke]

it’s not about skill resets or not. it’s about knowing soon or later the units you reset will get a treasure or be useful for 1 specific niche

[tulip berry]

the cost of chasing the meta

[pine echo]

when's the next sr

[tight dust]

Many I plan to reset like Exia.

[gusty spoke]

and then elec raid comes again

[tight dust]

I think It's more wise for me to take the 3% some element. Can't keep splash money in this game anymore.
Like after they have 10-10-10 unit every month

[gusty spoke]

instead of skill reset, ask for skill mat income buff

[tulip berry]

[tight dust]

They did increase with overclock but also increase meta Nikke as well

[tulip berry]

they been very comfortable at throwing 10-10-10 units at us after Overcock update, as if the Overcock helped that much

[gusty spoke]

the problem is any new meta unit they release is gonna be insta 10-10-10 to keep up with your top units

[tight dust]

Like S.sakura and Rosana use only once with kraken and never see their face again. But burst at 10

And if they decide to treat electric like iron last year, you will never see Exia again in at least 6 months

[red heron]

my drake is at 200

[gusty spoke]

45 for sr10->15 sounds generous af

10->11 takes 30 at 15% chance of crit

[tulip berry]

not my avg for sure, my SS always happen at SR7 and SR12
anything that pops before is considered lucky from me

[rain pawn]

10→11 best to just do 10 gold, 20 purple, 50 blue imo

More than one attempt on golds is asking to wipe your supply

Just wait for 11's much better odds

[storm willow]

no units require 10/10/10

you just force it

#changemymind

[void swan]

That's like saying skills aren't necessary, you can clear campaign hardmode with only 1/1/1s

True though

[storm willow]

[void swan]

Until you find out that skill levels can pad power too

[storm willow]

you don't even know

1k per level

[void swan]

Oh, it's only flat power? RIP

[storm willow]

rip indeed

skill is overrated, long live dolls and OL

[wintry sphinx]

helm god

[rain pawn]

By that reasoning, all units require 10/10/10

Yet how many people have levelled SBS S2 to 10?

There are actually quite few units that need 10 in skills to mechanically function

And plenty of units that can at least leave one skill at 7 with mininal issue

If not going for the highest SR ranks, 10/10/10 is arguably a waste for a lot of units

Case in point was people getting top 50 with a 7/7/7 A2 last raid, a unit that should be a 10/10/10

[hoary flame]

Actually not, alice's charge time is the longest in the game, and Mana applies buff to the longest base charge time

[hoary flame]

Why 6? Go for 10

[tulip berry]

good example of great non-10-10-10 unit would be Liter , Alice , Modernia , Maxwell , Tia, S.Helm , SBS ,...etc
pretty much a lot of year 1 units, who have at most 1~2 damage scaling skills with the remaining skill being quality-of-life or luxury skill.

Most players, including competitive ones striving for their best scores in Solo Raid, leave their niche units at 7/7/7 not by choice, but because they simply can't afford to max them without bricking their own account for future units/raids.

even the top whales who swipe heavily to retain their standing, still lacking the mats to keep up with new units and have to look forward to Skill Resets, then that's kinda a problem.

[inland badger]

realistically speaking, the number of unit that's 10/10/10 worthy should be way less

also the overall design is not sophisticated enough to enable different build of the same character

[haughty mural]

Well put

[inland badger]

you have literally have 1 way to play a unit, RH is a rare exception

[storm willow]

How about drake and helm

[rain pawn]

A lot of units, even year two ones, have so little damage gains from 7 to 10 that it's not worthwhile to do in the first place

Yeah, you'd get max damage from 10/10/10, but for maybe another 200 mil in solo raid? Not worth

[prime pagoda]

So, 4x Ele and atk. 1 ammo and 3x cs/cd?

[marble stream]

Yup

[leaden pawn]

4 ele
4 atk

[cedar junco]

mana cant apply her buff to alice if alice is not in the team....

with sbs as dps, it is alice or mana as buffer, why would u even have them both in?

[hoary flicker]

This like arguing the strict definition of "need" vs the colloquial understanding of "need"

Do you strictly "need" Crown 10/10/10? No. Does every skill significantly improve her buffs? Yes. Do you "need" it to not be significantly behind other players in PvE? Def yes.

You don't strictly "need" anything, just as we don't strictly "need" to play NIKKE either

[leaden pawn]

The only unit that needs something specific is alice

2 charge speed

The rest are whatever

[hoary flicker]

False because what if I only run with mana maxwell yuni in sim room buffs

Checkmate

[leaden pawn]

Just run a nuker+ elegg + b1 in sim room

[hoary flicker]

But the real point is that if you give up 2% damage one time it sounds like not a big deal

If you give up 2% damage 10 times, you've given up 21.9% damage

[red heron]

tove needs skill 1 at 9

[hoary flicker]

Wdym just mald for an extra 8 hours

[red heron]

[hoary flicker]

In all practical terms of speech what you really "need" is a "strong core"

[fading sail]

ok so core+7 all units, gotcha

[cedar junco]

is helm going to replace naga in a crown team vs non core bosses?

naga has 47.2 % increase in atk

but helm has that 27.87% increase in atk dmg

[haughty mural]

idk other cookings but for that scenario, i saw a clear with HelmT unbuilt in harvester before, replacing naga

she just there to heal and burst gen and s1 i think

but significantly better

considering the helmT OL is unbuilt here, very low damage

but what she does to teamate by her skills, good enough

thats one case, u take it however u want

[cedar junco]

i cant personally test it coz

[void swan]

I've got it!

Treasure + Helm = ||Thelma!||

[void swan]

Isn't the 47.2% increase in attack depending on Naga actually bursting?

Which means if you're doing Crown + Naga and every B2 burst is taken by Crown, Naga's offense buffing is literally disabled if the target is coreless

So obviously, and unfortunately, THelm will be much better since her kit will be functioning while Naga's kit will be crippled

My Naga gacha skin getting benched

[cedar junco]

ooh u right, i forgot u burst with crown

[ivory harbor]

So technically you don't need to upgrade favourite item burst because you're not bursting with helm anyway

[steady solar]

Nah 8000% damage burst is too nice to pass up

[inland badger]

depends on the content

crown+naga is used outside of raids and in that type of content you're bringing 2 dps that are better than helm unless you specifically target water weak content

[prime pagoda]

[fathom crest]

I mean crown naga was sometimes used on UR to push an accounts breakpoints since we have so many b2 for 3 team

Mari/grave for example

But yea helm I would prob burst for water weak

[inland badger]

believing Prydwen in 2025

[dusty fog]

[storm willow]

I'm busy irl

snek is schrodinger's cat - dead and alive

but I think I will review one of them tonight

cuz literally nothing else to do in this gema

hard stuck buffalo

hard stuck lizard

20 purple

time to review Helm

[fading sail]

Whats your score on her fav item story?

[storm willow]

11/10

chick even knows to stop me fucking her silly

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435687797626634241/1280641631527112846/dorocook.gif

[storm willow]

I will give her flying words on her review

definitely the best treasure

[gusty spoke]

soda treasure in 8 months from now is gonna be wild

[storm willow]

man the improvement

[pine echo]

bought pack, only got this far

took 140 blues from the pack to get r15, total prob 200+

[storm willow]

ah I see

no wonder I hit SR 5 => SR 15 with just 20 purples

someone paid for me

[pine echo]

I hit R3 with just blues

[pine echo]

[storm willow]

[placid grotto]

Thanks for paying for the game bud

no wonder I reached sr15 so ez

[red heron]

if I understoon the patch notes correctly we can buy the helm skin

[wanton kayak]

I want maint kits more

[placid grotto]

We’re only getting drake rerun

[red heron]

10. New Gameplay and Feature

10.1 Added a Pass Costume shop.

[placid grotto]

Yea that’s for drake costume rerun

Limited

[red heron]

I kind of doubt it

[placid grotto]

Read up

It literally says drake is being rerun for a limited time

[red heron]

yeah

drake rerun is 3.

this is something seperate at 10.1

[placid grotto]

You don’t think these two are connected?

[red heron]

no

[placid grotto]

ok

[red heron]

drake was also not a normal pass costume but event pass iirc

[placid grotto]

Idk where to ask since no research lab, thread yet, but what the fuck is squad stability?

Can anyone check the jp/kr version?

[ivory harbor]

I can only guess it means she increases hp on burst

[storm willow]

it means your squad is more balance

no more tip toe

[daring mirage]

adds weight in the back for balance

[ivory harbor]

Gives 1.5 multiplier to everyone's dumptruck

Anyone here with helm phase two already?

[solemn apex]

in that case it would go to #questioning-centre or wait until we open the thread when the kit releases

[placid grotto]

Yep

[placid grotto]

need a month for s3

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1002089691539046430/1329904822421553172/GIF_20250117_170620_816.gif

[storm willow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435687797626634241/1280641631527112846/dorocook.gif

[gusty spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-spining-cat-cat-cat-meme-cute-gif-348733013680835187

[solemn apex]

2 for me pls

[brave sun]

I like crepe

[storm willow]

let me tell my waitress to bring it to you

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1146576849598681218/1174385675030765718/RDT_20231115_1028475862560446071977240.gif?ex=656766e3&is=6554f1e3&hm=d4fb6f8d3f7b5d9d8aed7187ad2059e5bfae2945fc241cc047c97c5ec668687b&

oh no it's gone

[rain pawn]

Fair, but how many people put Noir burst to 10 when bunnies Maxwell Modernia was meta?

Noir has never once been considered a 10/10/10 unit, at least here, even though you gain damage levelling her burst

X Lud is generally considered a 10/7/10 unit and SW's S1, despite dealing damage, usually isn't put higher than 4

[ivory harbor]

Sooo what's your experience with her?

Does she replace naga in crown teams?

[rain pawn]

JP essentially says "safety"

[placid grotto]

She’s too weak to be used. Will wait for her s3 to come online. Then rock rolling. Will take time. For now 10/10 wallpaper. 10/10 would plap.

[placid grotto]

Lmao

the most worthless explanation from their side yet

Thanks man

Unless she gives blanc like indom

[rain pawn]

All it's saying is that team is less likely to die with Anchor there

The patch notes descriptions are rarely that helpful for more than just giving an idea of what to expect

Looks like Helm is even higher priority with both upcoming units being what looks like true supporters

[placid grotto]

First trio?

[ivory harbor]

Oh

[prime pagoda]

Sounds like mast will be a S.rosanna or the sorts, does ViperT do Distributed damage?

[ivory harbor]

But you can run her as a flex , not bursting

[rain pawn]

Nope. Sustained damage

Quency and Phantom deal distributed

[ivory harbor]

Me waiting patiently for someone to test flex helm

But also I wonder if Alice and helm will be new best duo for water bosses

[rain pawn]

Once I have Phase 3, I want to test X Guillo with her

And Phantom, since I am one of the few to have both well invested

[south aurora]

I'm saved

[hoary flicker]

Yeah but how many people put skill levels into volume s1 then?

That shit is literally useless and noir burst is not far behind

[marble stream]

Wait a second

[hoary flicker]

If something only gives you literally 1 damage per skill level then you would need to level it 1 million times to get 1 million damage

[marble stream]

What is helm doing here

[hoary flicker]

That's not much different from 0

[inland badger]

her best

[hoary flicker]

Look at what I said precisely, if you give up 2% damage 10x you've given up over 21% damage

That's contingent on that thing being worth 2%

The implict assumption is that the player investing understands what's going to give 2% and what is going to give 0.02%

[south aurora]

so I need 101010 her?

[hoary flicker]

I never leveled my scarlet burst from 4 back in the day because I understood that shit gave me next to nothing

[inland badger]

if you dont care pvp you can left it at 1

doesn't do anything anymore

[void swan]

She lives on in our hearts and wallets as BS Scarlet

[rain pawn]

And that assumption is what I'm rejecting in context Especially when considering players that don't spend on skil mats, there still aren't that many units worth 10/10/10 imo

Especially with skill resets being as limited as they are

They amount I see people talking about how much they regret bring X unit's skills up to Y level

S Sakura to 10/10/10 definitely helped during Kraken, but, aside from those avoiding Alice for AI, how worthwhile was that investment for a unit that's otherwise had little impact since?

Most players might as well have left her 7/7/7

She's practically no better than Laplace for solo raid on average

[haughty mural]

Eva girls water elements

[hoary flicker]

and that's why I said the important thing is having a strong core

if your core units are missing the skills that improve damage significantly then every single time a raid rolls around your bleeding a fuck ton of damage

there's a set of obvious "core" units that find their way into every single raid and if that core isn't strengthened first then the player is doing something wrong

if someone thinks summer sakura burst is more important than leveling their crown burst, then there's something wrong

but to me the distinction there isn't that X things don't give you X damage, the distinction is what order you're supposed to work on things in

[rain pawn]

Yeah, I agree with that. I was originally just commenting against the idea that every unit getting released needs 10/10/10 when that's not actually the case

Electric units are quite plagued with with that tho

[hoary flicker]

I think recognizing that a unit definitely benefits significantly from 10/10/10 is an important observation in a vacuum

the second step is to consider what that unit's role is in the meta

[rain pawn]

Mhm

[hoary flicker]

it's a larger symptom of ppl asking questions without actually posing what their own skill mat situation is

but I think ppl should be told in two steps:

• Is this useful (yes/no)?
• Is it more important than Y meta unit (yes/no)?

so when I review a unit I always like to put the "use case" out there as well

[rain pawn]

I like that approach

That's especially important if we keep getting treasure waves

Because not only are we worrying about skill mats, but doll mats, too

Most people won't be able to build all 3-4 (assuming all are worthwhile)

[placid grotto]

Is helm usable in arena with just s1 &2?

or should I wait till phase 3 is finished

[solemn apex]

yes

[placid grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1002089691539046430/1329904822421553172/GIF_20250117_170620_816.gif

[south aurora]

should I priortize phase 3 helm over drake?

[prime pagoda]

considering that the next SR is heavily implied to be water, yes.

[haughty mural]

Its SU trap

Skip next SR and prep for the next one with Drake

[inland badger]

make sure you can actually hit phase 3 before next raid

if you can't then you might as well focus on something else

[urban edge]

Helm slap on SHelm
"That is how you carry Elysion."

[south aurora]

dam now I can put her on kraken

[frank pier]

so besides pvp, where else is treasure helm likely to see lots of use?

[red heron]

AI instead of naga from what I have seen

also fire raids

[rain pawn]

Helm can probably see use anywhere tbh

Hard campaign is potentially the most questionable since no amount of healing saves you from OHKOs

But burst gen is insanely valuable in most situations

[void swan]

Helm is perhaps now one of the best universal B3s to get. Whether winggirl or burster. Healing, boss slaying, burst gen

Just have to find the right min/max placement for her in the multiple raid teams

Campaign idk, but I can't blame somebody for lugging around a heavily invested Treasure Helm because she's good enough to not be an embarrassment (unlike someone trying to show off heavily invested Crow)...

And if they manage to beat hardmode stages with her, why not?

[haughty mural]

Mana and HelmT being flexible b3 buffer too good, less competition in this slot for stages, her existence alone providing burst gen is already good enough. Most stages im stuck now they attack me early and i find hard time to fill burst gen.

[void swan]

Crown + THelm is already proven superior to Crown + Naga vs coreless bosses and campaign will have plenty of those too

[inland badger]

THelm can help solving the farter stages

[storm willow]

fact

[leaden pawn]

What does blue > red mean

[storm willow]

get lost, Rapipi

[leaden pawn]

Don't you disrespect my goat

[inland badger]

pokemon is overrated

Digimon better

[leaden pawn]

Ok nikke player

[haughty mural]

Crown-On element b3 dps-Rapi-HelmT-Mod

[leaden pawn]

Helm bursting?

[haughty mural]

All of them can heal themselves

[dusty fog]

Facing against trainer Red

[inland badger]

yes, all the team can just face tank the fart

[haughty mural]

Ye just try to burst into the elite

[inland badger]

Crown already enjoy her own 5sec invul

the rest can heal via Helm burst

[leaden pawn]

Naga better for campaign anyw, slot helm in like S tier and call it a day

[inland badger]

THelm solve Rapipi's gen issue

[haughty mural]

Denied next believer

[inland badger]

Rapipi Crown THelm +2 element b3

no cdr issue, no burst gen issue

literally the perfect setup

[leaden pawn]

The perfect setup is always Alice b3

No other setup exists

Rhb1 into Alice b3

What does helm target

The 8000% nike

Nuke

[inland badger]

highest atk

[leaden pawn]

Damn

Mob clear b3 until boss last man standing and burst helm ig

[leaden pawn]

What u think about 3 mg + helm in crown

[inland badger]

why does Max's burst sound so shit compare to THelm ?

[leaden pawn]

RRH Crown xlud helm mod

[haughty mural]

Why 3 mg

Xlud mod basically do same thing

[inland badger]

so he gets bricked faster by lower fps

[haughty mural]

Aoe so weak

Mod prolly doesnt clear shiet

[inland badger]

Rapipi Crown Alice Asuka THelm for fire weak

[haughty mural]

U have Alice and Asuka, Naga is more stonk, no need anything from HelmT

[leaden pawn]

U leave them on auto so they target diff units

And gun down more

[inland badger]

fire weak chapters so easy man

electric so shit in normal stages

[leaden pawn]

Or I guess you need pierce so you just use redhood?

[haughty mural]

I dont have HelmT yet fyi so im just yap cook out of my ass, i will stop coping here…i might say sth stupidly wrong

[leaden pawn]

Bruh I thought you alrdy been cooking

[inland badger]

isn't that the whole point of cooking ?

[haughty mural]

I only saw other people helmT performance dud

[leaden pawn]

On camp?

I only saw bossing shenanigans

[inland badger]

i didn't do a single treasure last batch so now i have to wait for the item from dispatch

[leaden pawn]

I think on campaign you need 5 shots of helm to get full burst, also I think removing redhood from team would be stupid

[haughty mural]

5 full shot on a single mob?

[leaden pawn]

I can't think of many scenario where using redhood is not optimal

[leaden pawn]

Yes

[inland badger]

where you need more than 3 burst ?

plenty of those tbh

[leaden pawn]

Not really

[haughty mural]

Crown-Rapipi-HelmT-Redhood (b1/3)-Dwife

[leaden pawn]

Unless the last 2 chapters have shitton of them, I disagree

[inland badger]

there are around 8 defense/base capture stages each chapter

and you have to pass at least 4 of them

[leaden pawn]

And using Rh as b1 or b3 is optimal in almost all

[inland badger]

no, unless you can cheese

[leaden pawn]

Ew no not DWife

Might as well use naga

Naga > dwife

[haughty mural]

U cant

Rapi need to carry as b3

[leaden pawn]

Why can't I, who is stopping me

[haughty mural]

I always use dwife into that setup or even Rapunzel

[leaden pawn]

But we can have redhood b3

[haughty mural]

U dont need

Just Rapi and clear screen

[leaden pawn]

Is RRH that much better as b3 than redhood? RedHood is really good yk

[inland badger]

need iron weak chapters soon so my RH can stop being a b1 slave

[haughty mural]

Then u can flexible with HelmT or RH burst next

Irs just very flexible to choose burst roations

[inland badger]

redhood b3 only good for iron weak tbh

Alice is superior in everywhere else

[haughty mural]

No she annihilated other element too

She has alice damage

And big big aoe

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1108346931819851806/1328072104800682094/image.png?ex=6791e548&is=679093c8&hm=5e6b9e7e86519c4c7ad21324fe2fbaf3c7a36702c648f82a774de8f9e8af9873&

Like if NA pick Mcegan as their campaign hardcore pusher, then Global has this guy. Just look at his units who are campaign related. Liter no core, but Rapi has core, so he will likely never use rapi as b1 in campaign cuz that will pump his cp up

Odd is based on his perspective, she is better at b3 in campaign, its just how i see it.

[inland badger]

Mcegan show me the sbs ground attack tech to deal with volleyball

[leaden pawn]

Maybe he use Rapi B1 but Naga lvl1 to balance it

[inland badger]

that was kinda cool

[leaden pawn]

Or maybe he uses Naga lvl157

[haughty mural]

Ahhh understanding teacher lesson too well

[leaden pawn]

Dark arts

[storm willow]

sadly I was kinda high in cp after beating MC so no SBS needs to attack Volleyball

[haughty mural]

Chance is day1 players will never meet 35-40% deficit anymore (most of them are at 501+). By the time next chapter comes, all will be under 30% again

Well u can still hit that if u into bdsm

[storm willow]

39% against

dead by lightning

[haughty mural]

Call the hero

[red heron]

yeah helm could be quite usefull for me as well, the deficit has gotten quite high

[haughty mural]

33% with rapi b3

[red heron]

isn't it 50%?

[haughty mural]

(594/890*100)%

[red heron]

oh you calc the deficit from the enemy lvl

[haughty mural]

I look it backward abit, that formula i ised show 66.7 sth, i got the 33 from my head

[red heron]

yeah and I did 594x1.5=890

well I could push a bit more but my rh is only 55% ele

just going to wait a few more days till I finish helms doll

I hope we get doll packs tomorrow

[haughty mural]

I dont really feel HelmT here

Since both rh and rapi being b3 most of time here, slot helmT into Naga is like a loss, little burst gen value, and Liter there will prevent it further

I just dont see it, maybe u could show da wae

[storm willow]

use Laplace

hero comes to save the day

[red heron]

I used this team for most of chapter 25, if I replace cindy with helm it will be perfect

[haughty mural]

Yeah replace anything into cindy would be perfect

[pine echo]

[haughty mural]

Wait Grave

Grave-Crown-Rapi-HelmT- emotional support

[red heron]

My pwr drops down to 597k but helm still has a lot of room for improvement, doll is also only sr10

[pine echo]

my cindy's invest and cp keeps her in my main pve team

I don't see helm being that useful aside from naga replacement in no-core

the 8k% nuke probably can't kill any stage boss at decent deficit

[haughty mural]

When u stuck u start cooking some dubious stuff

She is not mean to be used in every stage i think, i see her as a niche now, a nice one

[red heron]

yeah same, my cindy has 140k pwr and on the elec weak stages she is a monster

[pine echo]

mine is used even when she's neutral

[red heron]

same, for the pwr padding

[red heron]

I used rh b1 for sbs and rapi b1 for cindy

makes defens stages easy

[pine echo]

I stopped using sbs as soon as I got rh

only used in wind-weak to pair with alice

and honestly... sometimes it's not even that worth it

screen clear speed is a bit eh

for wind-weak bosses for sure, but mob stages, eh

mod... I basically never use now, ols way too sucky, and cp way too low as a result

[storm willow]

when I wrote her review last night

[pine echo]

don't even need her for glass now since double mg

[storm willow]

I did find it too

got backlash hard till I pointed out all the possible teams

it's because she breaks B2 structure

hence limiting her own spot

[pine echo]

isn't she just competing for the non-burst flex spot most of the time

why b2 specifically

[storm willow]

because our current meta goes like this

Blanc Noir

Tia Naga

SG

Electric team needs 1 B2

[pine echo]

oh for raid

[storm willow]

Fire team needs 1 B2

yeah

[haughty mural]

Oh for raid…

[storm willow]

they mostly need B2, not B3

for one single team it's super easy

Helm > Naga even on core for me

[pine echo]

she'll prob be used as a mid b3 option on one of my weak teams, assuming her dmg is good

[storm willow]

cuz I fail to hit core most of the time

[pine echo]

or if no room, a better maxwell flex slot

[storm willow]

yeah

[pine echo]

is her heal enough to heal in any boss fight where you even want healer

non-burst

[red heron]

all depends on your investment, mine is 10/12 (missing 1 atk and cs) and she works great

[pine echo]

yeah I do see sbs once in a while in clear records, her cp is too low to compete with cindy/alice as well for me

[red heron]

as I said, all depends on investment, my sbs has 10k more pwr then alice despite being 4 cores lower

[storm willow]

her heal will never be enough

she heals 2.5% max hp after 5 charged shot

Naga heals 9% after 5 SG shot

she takes twice amount of time to heal 66% less than Naga

[pine echo]

[prisma lagoon]

That heal is really just there for Crown, which is also where she'll likely end up in SR

B1/B3/B3/Crown/Helm

[cyan wagon]

@storm willow do you have new treasure units PNG

[prisma lagoon]

Give Blanc to Cindy, bench Noir, and a spot frees up for B2+Helm

JK similarly live with SG now I think.

[storm willow]

I don't

[storm willow]

except Electric team doesn't need Blanc

Mari, Grave or Crown

[south aurora]

wtf I put her instead of mana and got my best record

[ivory harbor]

Yeah

[prisma lagoon]

Try swapping Sakura for Mana?

Unless your Mana is low investment I guess

But yeah Helm is definitely the best slot 5 for Kraken, buffing both SBS and whoever the other B3 is, all while keeping Crown S2 up.

Better Naga when core isn't frequent / dps has core-less damage like SBS does

[red heron]

helms buffs are also quite nice for rapi

especially if you run crit dmg on her for the 12th ol slot like I do

[prisma lagoon]

She's just good for anyone, very generic buffs

Heal is good for Crown teams tho

Naga returned to Tia for soloraid

[inland badger]

Naga never left Tia in SR

[prisma lagoon]

True, for anomaly interception I guess

[inland badger]

crown now has 2 bitches

swapping when feeling like it

[prisma lagoon]

Core and non-core

[inland badger]

no kingdom without a harem

[prisma lagoon]

gonna be hard for Chime to find a slot

unless she's B1 CDR

well, a privaty who heals would also be great for Crown

would open up some great Doro/Last Bullet teams

[storm willow]

Chime: every time she's shielded, reduce 10s cd

[ivory harbor]

People acting like chimney won't be free

[marble stream]

[south aurora]

chimney is free

[storm willow]

I keep the head

[copper pebble]

[woven bear]

Skill lvl give a multiplier increase to cp padding, not flat increase @storm willow

#1153578567263846470 message

[storm willow]

I know

but for me it's something something 1k

[south aurora]

wtf

[storm willow]

[wintry sphinx]

Helm god

[copper pebble]

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/126990966?p=1

I think

nibungi got banned for " Easy click Mouse-setting " for rerolling

10 year ban

[south aurora]

yea

[storm willow]

oh thought it was you

[red heron]

wtf 10 year ban straight away? don't they ramp the time up if your autoclicker is to fast?

[woven bear]

Thats not that bad, its not a perma ban atleast

[charred schooner]

it might as well be

even if the game is in service in ten years your account will be so fucking shit at that point

[marble stream]

Nikke for 20 years

[void swan]

What do you mean by "for rerolling", I'm not understanding - it's to help him click through menus and gacha pulls faster?

[red heron]

seems like it

[inland badger]

no

rerolling is making a fresh account

looks like a ban for automating the process

[woven bear]

From his comments:

"When I was resetting, I used the mapping function on my Razer mouse to do it one-handed, but I wonder if that's why I got caught. Ah, whatever~ lol."

[void swan]

Oh

I guess Nikke just helped him save money

[inland badger]

i can't read korean but it looks like he rerolled fresh accounts through automation and then started playing on one of them and got flagged

some time later the ban rolled out

completely normal gacha behavior tbh happens in all games and the exceptions where it doesn't happen you're dealing with a shitty game

[woven bear]

Ye, If rerolling itself was actually bannable then the game would be dead lol

[placid grotto]

My helm, the goddamn charge speed queen

Only keep getting charge speed on her holy fuck

[marble stream]

[prime pagoda]

Where atk and ele tho

[marble stream]

He's the classic pvp player flexing his 1,5RL comps in pvp

[placid grotto]

In my dreams, along with all the rocks I wasted

[void swan]

PvPer with 5 teams of 90% charge speed in each team

[leaden pawn]

I would lock it

[haughty mural]

dont go down that road

[prime pagoda]

Honestly yeah, I would lock it to and reroll until atk or ele show up on line 3

expensive ofc

just gamble

[eternal pine]

hmm, I might need to reset naga to raise helm next reset. skill book issue
bring down naga to 10/10/7 or even 10/7/7

5% less core damage and 7% caster attack on burst

for 3-4% attack damage and +7k% burst on helm

[storm willow]

[fading sail]

resetting a more widely relevant and used unit for a lesser one sounds like a great idea

you should also reset your top dps unit for treasure milk next

[eternal pine]

bruh there's no way I'd reset my top dps. it's just I'm really short on burst skill mats.
and I'm out of units that is worth resetting their burst skill

[haughty mural]

Dont keep that cs, i made that mistake on xmaiden cuz greed. Keeping a utility line over pure dps lines and waste rocks fixing it. Give few more days and u become occupied with news unit after new units and HelmT who? Fking no one wasting rock for no reason

[gusty spoke]

relying on reset is the wrong mindset. you’re supposed to riot infront of SU HQ asking for better skill mat income

OC only give around 28% increase (even less factoring in fbw and event shops)

[tight dust]

Adding skill mats in daily dispatch

5 star for 3 blue

[gusty spoke]

maybe after fbw and event shops are factored in, it’s only 20% at best

[wintry sphinx]

helm god

[eternal pine]

I only got 2 fire books last week

shop's rigged fr

[gusty spoke]

that’s why you mindlessly buy everything everyday

I have 5.5k wind + iron books

but it’ll all be gone with just 2-3 meta units

[tight dust]

Buy everything everydays. That shitty thing you gain from arena is useless anyway

[wintry sphinx]

anything i have over 6k i dont buy

i.e. iron books

[haughty mural]

Overload Recommendation:

• 2-4 Attack lines
• 3-4 Elemental lines
• 1-2 Ammo lines (want more than 10 ammo during full burst to only reload max 1 time)
• 2-3 Charge speed (only keep if the piece already has atk/ed presented), skip if its the only line.
• Dont waste rock optimizing HelmT, not worth.

[haughty mural]

Addition to Harvester comp variant, so far these can fully clear with HelmT
Crown-Xlud-HelmT-Rapipi-Mod
Crown-Xlud-Quency-Rapipi-HelmT

Previously during Rapipi banner
Crown-Rapipi-Xlud-QuencyEQ-Naga
Crown-Rapipi-Xlud-Alice-Naga
Original comp:
Crown-Liter-Xlud-QuencyEQ-Naga

Both new comp with HelmT dont require HelmT to be fully invested, mid investment and rely on other dps

[leaden pawn]

Cs is only for pvp

Its irrelevant for pve

[haughty mural]

Only keep if atk/ed presented

Its whatever

Atk + CS on 1 piece?

Alright that piece is done move on

[south aurora]

it is?

I thought it’s relevant for both

[leaden pawn]

Why do u need cs for pve

[south aurora]

for faster burst?

[leaden pawn]

In my opinion you dont need ammo either

Just 4ele 4 atk is fine

[haughty mural]

Mtfk this guy

[leaden pawn]

Dude its 2 shots, its not gonna get much faster

[haughty mural]

Just asked me why i need 4atk4ed on this unit

Now he turned around

[south aurora]

yea 4 ele 4 atk 4 cs to go

[tight dust]

Will we use HelmT outside water raid?

[leaden pawn]

No, thats my point more or less

Even if we do i dont think we burst with her?

[tight dust]

Right

[leaden pawn]

More or less what i wanted to say is split 4 ele 4 atk and 1-2 ammo, 2-3 cs into ideal and filler

[haughty mural]

I know we will end up with like 2 atk 3 ed then hard stopped

But i found hard time picking word for it

I guess u need to suffer so u can learn it

[inland badger]

2 upcomming maids are supporter so they wont need that many rocks

[haughty mural]

See further

[leaden pawn]

You say that as if you already have perfect line on all dps units better than helm

[inland badger]

i dont settle for perfect

i know my luck and my limit

[leaden pawn]

My point kindof

[inland badger]

usually, 80% ele is my first break point for dps

80 is kinda low by a lot of people's standard

[leaden pawn]

If u aim to reroll helm it isnt unrealistic, but set your aim to be more realistic is what i meant

[haughty mural]

U need to atk to compensate for it

[leaden pawn]

By no ones standard

[haughty mural]

I mean go together

0 atk 80 ed is weak , like my sbs

[inland badger]

i mean almost all the baldheads on raid will say 80% ele on key units are too low

[leaden pawn]

[haughty mural]

They too embarrassed on their 1 atk line

[south aurora]

because they got enough luck to get 4 eles like breathing so they can set numbers

[haughty mural]

luckcash

[leaden pawn]

I dont think theres anyone here who would say 80 ele is low

[south aurora]

cash can’t even fix the problem

[inland badger]

my Rapi is currently like this, but i think i won't try to optimize it further

[south aurora]

like me poured 100 rocks and failed get 4 eles on cinder

[leaden pawn]

Get atk line 1, next time u get iron/fire raid you will be 50 with 3 grandkids

Skip arms tho

Fine as is

[inland badger]

i guess i'll spend on Helm now, she will be useful even in neutral raids

yeah that arm give me ptsd

a lot of bad memories

gonna give Helm 30 rocks, see what i'll get

[south aurora]

you don’t spend on drake?

[inland badger]

i dont have her treasure

not gonna have it for at least 2 more raids anyway

[south aurora]

[inland badger]

i dont do any of the 1st season treasure

so now i can't convert for shit

[haughty mural]

30 rocks, a good number, 10 days worth

[south aurora]

yea not being able to convert for incomplete treasure is a shame

[inland badger]

have to prepare for the shit they're cooking up during eva 2.0

Eva is like leap and bound in term of unit quality compare to the rest of the collabs

[leaden pawn]

Save rocks for half anniv unit

[haughty mural]

Each of them gonna get 30 rocks each if dps, i like the distribution of rock here

[leaden pawn]

Trust

[inland badger]

half anni will be a supporter

[haughty mural]

Half anni in May?

[inland badger]

yeah

[eternal pine]

I just hope eva 2.0 is not a meta, but there's no way they won't do that

[south aurora]

april

[leaden pawn]

End of April

[inland badger]

it's actually late april/early may

[eternal pine]

and they'll drop 1-2 bait unit before half-anni

[haughty mural]

So saving from April 1st into Half anni? Enough rocks to get 10/12+ lines, then maybe optimize % with another 15 days worth of rocks, too easy
For hyper dps only

[south aurora]

bro is cooking too hard when I get like 1 rock a day

[haughty mural]

I dont cope on daily hope

I accept my fate

Its 3 rocks per day average i follow that idea since beginning so i dont grief on it

[leaden pawn]

What if your fate is like the popular japanese animation project, zero

[haughty mural]

Fking weeb

[south aurora]

there is no average, only coping

[gusty spoke]

||if the leeks are right, we probably don’t even need ammo||

[leaden pawn]

For who

[gusty spoke]

||candice||

[leaden pawn]

Damn bro i love her

[pine echo]

for ||deez nuts||

[gusty spoke]

go check omni discord ya ape

[inland badger]

[south aurora]

tf is omnidiscord

[inland badger]

whaler and sweater's gathering ground

[south aurora]

[gusty spoke]

wanna join?

[south aurora]

god no

[leaden pawn]

Says the jp sweat

[inland badger]

Elaine is a mega whaler, he'll fit right in

[leaden pawn]

We have the rat spot open

Are u sure

[south aurora]

tf is even rat spot

[leaden pawn]

Damn youve never seen ratatouille?

[south aurora]

nope

[leaden pawn]

Damn bro youre missing out on kino

[haughty mural]

When u feel depressed

[gusty spoke]

[south aurora]

I don’t like rrats

[haughty mural]

Listen to the song from that movie

[leaden pawn]

How the heck is Ratatouille depressing its goated

[haughty mural]

Its abouy the struggling to strike

Chasing dream and prove yourself kinda shiet

[leaden pawn]

Bro hes the goat rat, trust

He's
Ratatouille

[south aurora]

[gusty spoke]

stuart little is better. that thing managed to be adopted instead of all the other foster kids.

[south aurora]

never known you can say goat and rat together

[leaden pawn]

Yeah but i wouldnt let stuart cook

[gusty spoke]

then again, ratatouille managed to get a guy to invest in his restaurant even though rats’ lifespan is like 1 year

[leaden pawn]

Meanwhile Remy

Let him cook

[haughty mural]

Wait @leaden pawn you dont understand the french lyrics right?

[leaden pawn]

No

[haughty mural]

Mid

[leaden pawn]

Shit is vibe asf tho

[haughty mural]

Its good

I can sing it without music and i dont even speak french

[gusty spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-france-plankton-spongebob-france-french-gif-11939902761284878588

[marble stream]

I can too

is not hard for me tbh

[storm willow]

then you'd better start rolling

Adele

[haughty mural]

Avanti

[marble stream]

4 rocks

Pray for ele and atk

Then bedge

[storm willow]

[remote ginkgo]

And here I am still trying to fix alice

[storm willow]

stop correcting her

[inland badger]

gaytrix, did your holiday started yet ?

[storm willow]

after Sat

[inland badger]

why so late

[storm willow]

cuz technically we still work on Sat

[gusty spoke]

ok chat, hit me up with the best game plan

[brave sun]

Pad to 6 then use gold

Then pad to 11 then use gold

#1247837500542681098

[gusty spoke]

that sounds like the pussysafe way to go

[leaden pawn]

Dump purple and wait

[frank pier]

Pad with blues or purples?

[gusty spoke]

i padded with the 3 yellows

[pine echo]

[gusty spoke]

[tulip berry]

whale strat, well at least it worked out

[gusty spoke]

wasn't padding

just got unlucky with 15%

even though I got lucky with 8%

[storm willow]

[ivory harbor]

To be fair there's bo point upgrading helm favorite item now because there's no way you have 160 items now

[fading sail]

blues all the way to 15 you pussy

[ivory harbor]

Give yourself time to farm

[fading sail]

get that pilgrim gacha rate high

[rain pawn]

Helm is good even with Phase 1 and 2

And phase 3 by last day of Challenge Mode is completely possible

[red heron]

even before that its possible tbh

[inland badger]

who here will have helmtr phase 3 before the raid ends?

[prime pagoda]

Me

And probably everyone who has been farming mats since they were introduced

[inland badger]

fuck this will be my worst raid despite having all characters

[prime pagoda]

Don't worry. Most of us don't even have decent water units

[inland badger]

that's exactly why helm is such a massive difference maker

[marble stream]

"most of us"

Last water raid too200 was 10b and 3% 6b

[prime pagoda]

Most of the latest raid have been over 10b

It all started with GD

[marble stream]

I said top200 xD

From top1 to 200 there's a world

[prime pagoda]

Do you think next raid wont be at least 9b for top 200?

[marble stream]

11b

New supports

If permanent core even more

Cuz mg and sniper abuse

[hoary flame]

Lucksack

[storm willow]

I farm too

whatchu mean

this is 39 only

[gusty spoke]

damn you got all that 4 treasures?

[storm willow]

You think i just imagine prydwen review?

[gusty spoke]

:kaka:

[prime pagoda]

I cannot use mine yet as her doll isn't SR15 yet

and frima's will keep stacking until I have SR15 dolled every singe DPS

[storm willow]

Frima doubter

[barren sand]

Is Helm the fastest burst generator now?

[tight dust]

Helm.T D tier for me already

[haughty mural]

on boss, not small raptures

i think it would be similar to that of Grave in MG comp

Snake said herself alone need 6 hits on a small rapture to get full burst gen bar