[Asuka: WILLE] New Unit Megathread

[honest vigil]

Mana won't buff SBS if you play with Maids

[peak star]

10/7/9 right on bscar tail:
kraken & range; my crown died last burst window

[fast pebble]

Imagine getting power crept by collab units

[crystal tide]

asucka isn't even that good after all

All that convoluted skill kit still not managed to beat the good ol' classical pilgrim

Gonna save the pulls and stick with scarbs and modernia

[iron brook]

That's 10/7/9 vs 10/10/10

And who knows what the doll imbalance is either

And no Rei yet

Her dedicated support

[sweet trellis]

direct comparison dont mean much anyway

you won't seperate AsukaW and ReiT

so it will be a pair to pair comparison

ReiT is just pepega when spliting from AsukaW

[fast pebble]

I mean

Asuka alone already replacing Alice

[sweet trellis]

in raid, that dont mean much

cuz you'll have 2 teams for them anyway

reiT and asukaW, SBS and Alice

it's only the question which one get to have Crown

[fast pebble]

Cant wait for the sss asuka drama again

[sweet trellis]

i firmly believe this is a bad move

making perma limited units super meta is a big no no

[fast pebble]

I do agree

Unless they regularly rerun it

[sweet trellis]

which wont happen

[fast pebble]

Atleast like once per year

I mean they did rerun old asuka

[sweet trellis]

that was a special case though

[fast pebble]

Which is the first unit to get into sss tier?

Not sure how nier unit did

[sweet trellis]

Nier did place high

but turn out to be niche/useless

the power level difference from EVA units (both parts) and the rest of the collab is night and day

not counting the SR (free) units, none of the EVA units are bad/trash

[fast pebble]

Not a huge surprise considering SU ceo is a eva fan

[sweet trellis]

though they missed the point of collab entirely

it supposed to drawn in new players and widen your audience

not fuck with your game's meta

Asuka 1.0 and Mari already leave their mark on solo raid

strong, reliable units

which will never be obtainable again in 1 month time

[fast pebble]

Can't wait to see if eve from stellar blade is going to be meta or not

Atleast rerunning that is easier

[sweet trellis]

SB being meta is okay since they can easily rerun it

[lost vapor]

Really?

bossing or mobbing?

or overall?

[tender oak]

Not even, after they went public they just want more money

SBS was the first pilgrim to ever rerun after her debut banner, and only a month later, a wind unit that's limited is released that's competitive with her

No surprise they also tweaked the Helm skin to get that extra revenue, but the censored version was like actual ass to be fair

[lost vapor]

Fan is one thing, business is another.

Just because a CEO is a fan of something, doesn't mean he do collab out of hobby or favor.

[tender oak]

Not a coincidence that the first Eva collab was also 1 month after SU's IPO

[compact ingot]

If memory serves, wasn’t Modernia the first Pilgrim rerun and SBS the second?

[fast pebble]

About sbs rerun, she is a new year unit

New year unit usually gets a rerun on next new year

Like modernia

[tender oak]

Modernia is a new year unit

When did she rerun though

[fast pebble]

And she gets a rerun during sbs release

Lmao

[tender oak]

Fr?

[fast pebble]

Next year would be rapi RH rerun

Yes

[lost vapor]

[compact ingot]

Mod was 2022 and 2024 new years

[lost vapor]

SU rerun is shit overall.

Remember last christmas?

[tender oak]

Nah that's crazy I didn't recall that, but yea point stands that the reason that there's been a drastic shift in the type of characters they've been releasing is cause they need that extra cash

[tender oak]

Ic

[compact ingot]

*2023

[lost vapor]

https://lootandwaifus.com/guides/nikke-goddess-of-victory-banner-history/

[fast pebble]

While your statement about them looking for money may or may not be true

[lost vapor]

He is right, Modernia get rerun

[fast pebble]

Sbs rerun is a coincidence

[lost vapor]

my ass coincidence

[fast pebble]

Its align with their usual schedule

[lost vapor]

I'm usually get NIKKE from debut banner, as I don't trust rerun

you will have to spend somethings in the rerun

[fast pebble]

Also the actual powercrept unit we are talking about is alice

[lost vapor]

hence you won't get the rerun unit...

[tender oak]

Tbh the precedence for reruns is ass

[lost vapor]

^

[fast pebble]

It was alice x sbs meta that was trashed by asuka x sbs meta

[lost vapor]

One of solution is a re-run banner schedulce, it routine every time so rerun banner won't align with meta or new release.

[fast pebble]

I got my sbs from golden mileage, so i guess i spend gold mileages?

[lost vapor]

Yup

You spent it right.

SBS is still one of strongest NIKKE till now.

[fast pebble]

And i should not spending my 800 gold miles thats just sittibg there?

[lost vapor]

[tender oak]

2024 Christmas, they had 2 separate banners with xrupee and xanne in the same banner as the new units as I remember correctly, but every Christmas going forward they'll adopt the entirely new system, where all limited units will have different banners, and maybe have that new shop

[tender oak]

Asuka x SBS Meta only applies

to Kraken anyways right

[lost vapor]

^

Asuka go with Rei

but they can function alone.

[fast pebble]

Atm yes

[tender oak]

Chances are bro, and this is just my opinion, if u can't s9 with Alice x SBS, it'll prob be way harder to s9 with the Asuka x Rei initially just from how long it'll take to fully build them

Cause the calcs were on paper anyways

[lost vapor]

Gatekeeper open today, right?

[compact ingot]

Coop is open

[lost vapor]

Ah yes, gatekeeper, most boring coop ever.

The fact you are gonna stuck with this boss for 3 weeks...

[urban mesa]

Everyone fails gapekeeper so it should go fast

[lost vapor]

Well, no one want to stick around with gatekeeper anyway.

[fast pebble]

Get to max then die

[sweet trellis]

gatekeeper is actually one of the better COOP

imagine nihilister

takes forever to die

[iron brook]

Asuka is easier to get dupes of, technically

2% vs 1%

[sweet trellis]

2% which disappear forever in 1 month time too

pick your poison

[runic leaf]

Not really

[iron brook]

I said technically

2% is objectively better than 1%

[dry pine]

This is obvious but I should remind. Once you’re dry of pulls, and exhausted all F2P options, you have to watch the collab banner disappear “forever”.

Unless you resort to either gold mileage or spending $$ on more pulls.

Collab limited banner working as intended

Well, I thought that until they sprung EVA 1.0 rerun on us

[lean smelt]

asuka skill prio is probably S1 > burst > s2

10/7/10 should be more than enough for near min-max

you're losing only 4% atk dmg

same prio for reit actually

reit I'd say min-max is still 10/7/10, s2 value is super super small

literally 1.6% caster's atk diff

basically nothing

honestly even lvl 4 is prob fine

prob go 7/4/7 for them both for raids

[haughty jackal]

Nice

[iron brook]

Do we know if Rei S2 is 100% MG windup at level 1?

Might need to max it for that part instead

[terse vortex]

According to the new Blabla Link the MG windup buff is 100% for 13s at lv1

Only the caster att buff in S2 scales with skill lvl

[iron brook]

Lol

Useless then

10/4/10

[sweet trellis]

books saved

[lost vapor]

saved?

I lack books for Rei, Asuka, Macho and HelmT

where the heck you have books to even saved?

[haughty jackal]

I used everything for rapi and Cinderella and I'm still recovering

and I pulled maids and asuka now

And I also wanted to upgrade mana ....

[lost vapor]

Mana is the reason I broke.

10/10/10

WAIFU!!

kinda regret a little bit

[kind stratus]

I'm not alone in wanting more books. Last reset was months ago

I have gems in surplus but no books or rocks

[toxic ingot]

Don't worry, she'll be mandatory this raid

[manic gulch]

alice not 100% usage?

hmm, but you need pierce to hit core

[toxic ingot]

See copium emote

Last time Massive Object dealt so little damage there were people ignoring the elemental QTE

so even Mana's healing/revival won't be that necessary

[deep burrow]

I realized I don't have any abnormal t9m glove

[sharp kestrel]

[iron brook]

For those not checking Rei thread

Asuka can hit parts with her S1

Here she hits both main body and a tentacle

This means she deals more damage vs bosses with parts

[sweet trellis]

tested vs modernia wing

[iron brook]

And Rei's +1 unit will boost that S1 damage by another 50%

Also it's gonna be hell to test

But parts may or may not have separate damage taken stacks

Rei's range boost lets her hit parts at far range

Basically this makes Rei's S1 way more valuable for Asuka

And I think until now people had assumed it was only relevant when boss summoned mobs

[iron brook]

I guess easiest way to test this would be to stop attacking before 9s is up and see if one or two damage numbers appear

[sweet trellis]

as for the dmg takendebuff you do deal more dmg to the tentacle over time

it starts with 22 then 23 then 24

[iron brook]

Shared stacks

Because her burst only has one damage number

If the S1 was applying stacks to both separately then the burst would show two numbers

I'm not even going to try to work out if she applying 2 stacks at a time or not

Presumably, yes she is

So with Rei that would theoretically be 3 stacks at a time

Building up the damage taken debuff very quickly, even without Rei's +10 stacks lol

[upper pagoda]

1 stack at a time

[iron brook]

Even though the damage applies twice?

[upper pagoda]

yes

you can see the debuff stacks on the top of the boss hp bar

it only increments by 1

at the same rate

[iron brook]

Ahh good catch

Didn't even realise you could see debuffs there lol

[sweet trellis]

does it go from 1 to 3?

it's hard for me to tell with this quality

[iron brook]

It goes up by 1 each time

Yeah sorry my screen record is low quality as shit

Just checked in game

If it was 2 a time should be 2,4,6,8, etc

Still, the damage is the important part

And that does apply twice

so we should see Rei significantly boost Asuka's damage vs e.g. Kraken.

Since her S1 damage, a large chunk of her overall damage, will be 50% more.

Plus Rei's other buffs

Kraken pretty much always has two tentacles up after all

[sweet trellis]

some quick observational difference just from 2 to 3 targets

each shot my asukaW deals 23.326
every 10 shots she deals 65.570 per target (2 without rei)

23k x 10 = 230k
2x 65k = 130k

360k total without rei
425K with rei (+ 1x 65k)

18% difference?

not counting any other buffs rei gives

[iron brook]

More as you raise your S1

I'm assuming it isn't 10 yet

[sweet trellis]

rei also does

and

50% more dmg just from these 2 sound a bit ridiculous but i'm sure it is still significant

[iron brook]

The stack count seems useless tbh, Asuka already hits 30 fairly easily

Also I just said 50% more of her S1 lol

[sweet trellis]

no it means +10

so from 30 to 40?

[iron brook]

Ohhhh

Yeah that makes more sense

[sweet trellis]

that's what i thought maybe i'm wrong

[iron brook]

I dunno

It would be better if so

But it's part of her doing damage to a target

So I think she just gives +10 stacks

[sweet trellis]

it has to raise the cap right

because the target +1 is also the same arrow

and it raises the target cap to +1

[iron brook]

Arrow just means goes up

It makes stack count go up

Not stack cap

[sweet trellis]

oh

[iron brook]

Or stack limit

[sweet trellis]

so just faster to +30

[iron brook]

Yeah

That's how I read it at least

So kinda useless in most contexts

[sweet trellis]

you're right i think because the other effect says additional +1 and this one does not

[iron brook]

It would have to say cap +10 or limit +10

[sweet trellis]

if it said additional 10 it would've raised the cap like it does for target

the word additional means raised cap

[violet atlas]

Asuka needs 5s to stack her S1

10 stacks is huge

it reduces the ramp up time from 5 => 3s

[iron brook]

It's nice but not as huge as the additional part target

[violet atlas]

[sweet trellis]

depends on the context right does the enemy even have 3 parts

and that is a legit question does the next boss have that?

[iron brook]

We don't know what the next boss has tbh

It's changed since the last collab

Like how new Modernia had the skirt added

Gotta wait until we find it in story 2 I suspect

But since it's made for Asuka and Rei

Surely

[sweet trellis]

i was wondering because imagine it does not and striking at parts is somehow an oversight

[iron brook]

The reason I call this unimportant is that's ultimately what, 8% more damage taken for 2 seconds? Maybe 3?

Useful but not by an insane amount. Especially since there's no nuke or such in those 3s just sustained (full burst) damage.

[sweet trellis]

it can be really important when she's paired with liter

and liter's buff is 5 seconds

[iron brook]

That's true

I'll acknowledge I'm assuming she gets RapiRH for MG team memes lol

[sweet trellis]

i always use rapi nowadays too lol

does this strike at parts?

[iron brook]

No

Parts don't have separate stacks

So can't be targeted separately by it

[sweet trellis]

no but it is a 'target'

because earlier +2 targets meant +2 parts get hit

and weirdly using some logic you can say both the part and the boss is affected

[iron brook]

I tested it

[sweet trellis]

alright then it doesn't

[iron brook]

Parts aren't hit

[iron brook]

That's what this test was

Low quality video but one number comes up which equals all the damage added to boss damage total

One number = one target

I did have the same idea

[olive plank]

to pull or not to pull

[sweet trellis]

pull or gay

[iron brook]

Pull or brick

Rei too

B3 duo

[sweet trellis]

it does a rainbow for each tentactle too

weird effect

so then all of a sudden the boss and every tentacle is considered 1 target

that is odd logic to me

[iron brook]

I dunno what the code is doing under the hood

My guess is stacks are removed when damage applied right

Maybe it only deals damage to the first target then removes stacks before damaging the rest?

But animation occurs to all who had stacks?

It's definitely weird

Unless it's secretly damaging then all and only giving one number for ?????? Reasons

[sweet trellis]

idk if the effects are hiding it but i'm not seeing a single point of dmg

and i don't see the boss's hp bar move i'll test on a smaller mob

i don't think i'm dealing any dmg

oh there it is

the dmg number goes up efore the explosion effect occurs

that means it is still receiving all of the burst buffs

because it occurs after 9 seconds

[iron brook]

Yeah the damage number is super early

I think the rainbows in burst have no relation to the enemies

[sweet trellis]

yep

[iron brook]

They just cover the whole stage in preset locations

[sweet trellis]

it just alligned with kraken's parts

but it's always like that

funny coincidence

[haughty jackal]

I Just realised Asuka has a hat like a character cappie from hit game miside

[sweet trellis]

cappie is a reference to asuka

[fast pebble]

eh not a big deal

[sweet trellis]

hat + gloves are an easter egg

that's why cappie makes such a big deal out of it

'arent they amazing'

[haughty jackal]

No... Chat is that true? I must spread the word

[sweet trellis]

did you not read miside dev interviews?

[haughty jackal]

I literally have not played miside

[iron brook]

I wonder what B2 would be best if not using Crown.

• Naga is useless when both Asuka/Rei deal little core damage
• Maids want a distributed damage dealer like SBS
• Grave & Mari give much needed burst gen but pierce buffs are wasted
• No sustained damage for RosCO

Mari is low-key their best B2 aside from Crown?

[haughty jackal]

Bunnies?

[iron brook]

Oh right

I default to running Blanc with Rouge now but could run with Noir

The infinite ammo is nice

Would potentially allow for no max ammo OLs?

Tbh I'm looking at my current two and wondering if I swap them out for crit

Since both Crown + Bunny setups won't care for max ammo

Well maybe a few lines will still help keep things stable

[sweet trellis]

mg has an easy time dealing core dmg is just needs to be active

i think even without the distributed dmg buff it's still maids

[iron brook]

Asuka deals 40% less normal attack during burst

[sweet trellis]

or straight up crown haha

[iron brook]

And her S1 can't hit core

Yeah I think it's just Crown

Bunny a viable second

[sweet trellis]

i think the maids beat the bunnies np

[iron brook]

Doro/Crown/Asuka/Rei/Priv?

Yeah but in soloraid maids live with SBS

[sweet trellis]

it's still what? 100 atk% from maids

oh in soloraid

[iron brook]

And outside soloraid use Crown

[sweet trellis]

upcoming will be crown no question

it is the best pair for the highest team dmg

[iron brook]

This team can use the new cube

If boss has parts

Don't need resilience

Take parts damage cube and slaughter

[sweet trellis]

what does the new cube do?

[iron brook]

Bonus parts damage

New best cube for

• infinite ammo bursts (RH, Grave)
• 100% reload without resil(Crown + Priv, maids too?)
• single shot nukes (SW, Maxwell)

[sweet trellis]

i'm getting different dmg numbers depending on the parts that are up and i do believe both are at 30 stacks

with 2 wings

with no wings

i should do a few more runs to see if the dmg difference is consistent

could have been full charge helm that did this

idk seems to be a dmg variant somehow my testing is flawed

[waxen sun]

So asuka is a good unit to pull or no?

[dark schooner]

Yeah

[crude whale]

dude, sbs gets debuffed to the ground in that boss fight

[rich sand]

Yeah lol, fck Thermite.

[toxic ingot]

SBS best unit for Harvester

No core in UR version

[sweet trellis]

Skill prio for new Asuka?

[dark schooner]

Probably S1 = Burst > S2

[polar zodiac]

any recommended spread of OL?

[haughty jackal]

The strongest wind dps of today vs the strongest wind dps in history
That's how I look at this asuka/ sbs situation now

[lean smelt]

I would wait on min-maxing wille's OLs until we get rei

bc that will change how much ammo is needed

[haughty jackal]

That will be op combo

[iron brook]

Ele and ATK as usual

We have no clue how much max ammo is needed, if any

It'll be crit rate/damage if not max ammo for third line

[fast pebble]

Is asuka prydwen rating being withheld until rei comes out?

[sharp kestrel]

sbs is for fingers, those mobs just vaporize by themselves

[undone pebble]

skill level and prio on asuka?

[iron brook]

7/4/7 -> 10/7/10 -> 10/10/10

No real breakpoints or anything just more damage the more you invest

[thick frigate]

is she good?

or did i made the wrong choice of buying her for 200 tix

[dry pine]

She's good

[dry pine]

You may have still made the wrong choice

[thick frigate]

sad HAHAHAHAAH damn

[dry pine]

Usually it's suggested to try your luck with pulling the banner if it's got 2% pickup rate

[thick frigate]

i got like 100+ pulls still no luck T_T

[dry pine]

And, the banner's got a decent runtime, it's still early

[thick frigate]

atleast make her good with kraken huhuhuh

[dry pine]

So gold mileage right now is maybe too hasty

[thick frigate]

awee sad

[iron brook]

Realistically you should be able to pull Rei with gems

So I'd say just don't repeat the rush with Rei

Try to get her with gems and only use mileage if banner about to end

[toxic ingot]

Wow, UR really is selling Asuka W

Finally started mocking vs Thermite

[pearl wraith]

isnt that cus thermite cucks bscar with the charge spd debuff?

[toxic ingot]

Yup

[undone lava]

eh would sell better if UR was while rei2 is available otherwise mid

SBS does better if you just run cleanse/debuff immune

[sweet trellis]

would sell even better if asukaW did more dmg

why didn't shift up think of this

[dire thistle]

@visual juniper

tldr asuka and the other unit for me

[fast pebble]

[versed kraken]

Don’t feel bad about it

It’s a limited unit in the end

When a wind weak SR boss comes around having 2 wind teams is gonna come in clutch

Just make sure to save 200 more for 2.5 aniv since it’s a pilgrim unit banner

[sweet trellis]

anni also gives 100 pulls or something crazy even if you only have 100 mileage you still get there

[thick frigate]

i just cope up with my self as a "waifu collector"

[haughty jackal]

Meta evangelion

[thick frigate]

hopefully she can live out with kraken and can overcome s.sakura

[iron brook]

3 teams you mean

RosCO and Summer Sakura is team three

[kind stratus]

who?

[thick frigate]

im still coping up if this asuka is good for AT LEAST kraken T_T help

gib me my 200 tix

[sweet trellis]

from what i saw this asuka is already the best option for kraken

replace sbs support b3 with asukaW

[toxic ingot]

Yeah, it's not cope

I'm going to be able to S9 Kraken in two weeks using her

[haughty jackal]

Nice

[eternal salmon]

so replace alice or mana?

[kind stratus]

woah, since when did sbs get 2 supports on b3?

[sweet trellis]

yes

[eternal salmon]

oh nice

another reason to invest into asuka w

[haughty jackal]

So it turns out crown could solo sustain all this time

[sweet trellis]

this is crown / b1 / b3 / b3 / flex

and that flex spot helm helps with sustain

[simple quartz]

My 70% ele Asuka still kinda underperforms vs Alice tho

[sweet trellis]

what skill investment does your asukaW have

[sweet trellis]

Did she broken?

[twin valve]

I would say so, she saw her mother hang herself after all

[sweet trellis]

her body never grew out of it

[shut robin]

So is this a must pull?

[versed kraken]

ive been running her instead of alice

so i dont have to get carpal tunnel everyday at 8pm

[mental marlin]

Must pull?

[haughty jackal]

Mast pull?

[jade flicker]

Pull your mast?

ok

[haughty jackal]

That's on mast?

[jade flicker]

asuka

[undone lava]

I don't think this version did technically

[twin valve]

You are right

[haughty jackal]

Asuka is skibidi

[opal wolf]

So is this asuka worth building?

Should i build her or Mana now for union raid

she's on the spreadsheet for the holy trinity teams lol

k i'll build asuka

which OL and cube?

don't tell me another 10/10/10 skill user

ok

[twin valve]

Unique exception

This boss was crazy

Will not happen again

[jade flicker]

ok, r0 doll 8/7/8 skills already replaced alice for a comfy stage 7 on kraken

she gud

no more carpal tunnel

asuka saved our hands

[dry pine]

smh, shoulda just got a 3b dmg BS Scarlet and auto Alice

[simple quartz]

6/5/7

[sweet trellis]

come on due that's like 0/0/0

shift up has been scamming us good lately

need high skillups

[simple quartz]

The problem is that I barely go above Stage 6 with her while I can Stage 7 comfortable with Alice

Her lack of burst gen makes her a suboptimal B3 for your Kraken team

[sweet trellis]

wdym?

you should play with helm

how can you lack burst gen

[simple quartz]

Naga ftw

[crude whale]

remove naga wtf

[simple quartz]

Never

[haughty jackal]

Helm wife

[crude whale]

[haughty jackal]

B

[rapid sonnet]

so wait for rei to see hm ammo she needs?

[dry pine]

Yes. They want to be able to confidently calculate how much ammo W Asuka will need to go from end of her full burst, which is when she loses all of her ammo, to the next time she reaches another end of her full burst, without ever reloading

I need to double check that, actually

[rapid sonnet]

just by ear should be 1 or 2 then right? 3 might be useless and 4 will definetly be useless?

[dry pine]

Confirmed that W Asuka clears all of her ammo anytime the Full Burst she bursted in, ends

So you're trying to avoid the nightmare scenario of Asuka hitting reload, finishing reload, only for her Full Burst to end in the next moment, and she loses all of her ammo...

Double reload pain

TN Rei reduces the time W Asuka's trapped in bad MG windup, I think

So people aren't quite sure how much ammo W Asuka will be using up with TN Rei

[dry pine]

Dunno tbh. It's also influenced by how fast your burst gen is

[sweet trellis]

does asuka only clear ammo during her own burst?

[dry pine]

Yes, I just confirmed that

Not during - at end of

I was also able to confirm that if W Asuka goes into reload before her burst actually ends, when the burst ends, it doesn't affect her reload

She will finish reloading and immediately start trying to shoot, I just had her finish reloading 0.10s after Full Burst ended

Of her own burst

[sweet trellis]

mg is 60 bullets per second? and full burst takes 10 seconds? that's 600 shots

how long is her reload time + windup time? is that 3 seconds?

[rapid sonnet]

tyty was definetly not reading that essay

gotta take into account bastion

2.5 is standard mg

[sweet trellis]

we want destruction cube or something on her

[rapid sonnet]

oh shes 2.33

[sweet trellis]

think you want 2x ammo% on her and if you are slow with building up burst could reach into 3

funny interaction though

if she's reloading when she's supposed to empty her mag you do a normal reload speed and bypass the penalty

well you don't bypass shit tbh you're still reloading lol

[dry pine]

Yeah

Also means you lost the juicy +50% dmg on her shots during the final ~2 seconds of Full Burst. Well, that and any still running buffs

So it's still not nice

[sweet trellis]

as long as you have 600 bullets going into burst you will be fine and 2x ammo% should take care of that

[dry pine]

Achieving this effect also means you can just stick Bastion on her, she'll never care about reloading outside of her forced ammo clear mechanic

Just like Grave

[sweet trellis]

i get the dumbest black lines

[haughty jackal]

Nixe

[sweet trellis]

you know empty mag at the end of burst is a blessing in disguise

now you can ensure she always has a full enough mag during burst and doesn't need to reload

[shadow igloo]

Rebuilt thermite next UR

[crude whale]

how does asuka 2 do on neutral?

[shadow igloo]

Dunno, I think gatrix said 1:1 mod or something, that's good

[dry pine]

Now with extra Charge Speed debuff!

-RoF 300%

[rapid sonnet]

idt 1:1 mod is that good cuz mods good cuz she doesnt need to burst

is his 1:1 calc with or withour rei?

[iron brook]

This second line is gonna be so fucking expensive to get ATK or even Crit on

[violet atlas]

me?

who?

non core it becomes 40%

[kind stratus]

actual powercreep

[dry pine]

Is that without TN Rei?

[violet atlas]

[dry pine]

Because it reads like W Asuka is a superior winggirl than Modernia against neutral element

[violet atlas]

stop using long ass name

also yes my dear, Asuka is Modernia off burst but better]

[dry pine]

Then, what happens if Rei 2.0 is the burster but Asuka 2.0 doesn't burst? As in, never bursts

[violet atlas]

Rei deals huge dmg

Asuka deals okay dmg

[dry pine]

I had to reread both kits, yeah there's nothing there

Was thinking Rei 2.0 would do something about Anti A.T. Field but she only increases the stack of an existing one

And Asuka 2.0 needs to be in Annihilation State to apply Anti A.T. Field

For Asuka 2.0 to be in Annihilation State, she has to burst

[violet atlas]

yes

[dry pine]

RIP crazy idea

[violet atlas]

in short

Asuka is Modernia without bursting

Asuka is SBS when she can burst

[twin valve]

are we placing her sss

Need to sleep just once will talk in chat after ig

Skyjlv does it anyway

You don't need to

Or just watch his review

What

Oh

[kind stratus]

that's a miniscule improvement for the amount of books needed

this is why more and more peeps stop at 777 these days

[violet atlas]

I have a feeling she needs 10/4/4

but let me math first

[deep burrow]

[violet atlas]

may be I will release her investment after SR

gotta brick my competitors

[violet atlas]

yeah

10/4/4 will have 7% less dmg than 10/10/10

while 10/10/10 has 49% more dmg than 1/1/1

btw 10/1/1 should have 39% more than 1/1/1, so her own S2 and burst contribute in the 10% diff only

[dry pine]

HUH

That’s pretty cheap

I just need to 7/4/4 Asuka 2.0

Thanks for those numbers

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-double-thumbs-up-like-agreed-yup-gif-14284264219182206721

[violet atlas]

after this

get over here

do you think Mod can compete with Mod 2.0 who has 10 ~ 40% more damage than her in any situation?

just like Electric and Fire have their own team, Wind teams are br br too

this makes shit gun comp irrelevant

because Cindy, Rapi, Alice SBS, Eva 2.0 4 staple teams

and you flex the 5th team with something comfortable

not Tove and her 5%

Drake treasure is a bait

[lost vapor]

Is it a bug? after burst, Wille fire very slow for a few second.

[undone lava]

S2

[lost vapor]

oh

[kind stratus]

wait since when did rapi ascend to 'use this as dps even in neutral' status?

[lean smelt]

she super stronk

[tacit linden]

Asuka still SSS?

[fast pebble]

So Alice has finally fallen

Old asuka wasn't able to kill her

I guess new asuka did it

[fast pebble]

Were you sleeping under a rock?

[sweet trellis]

if we get a new nier collab are we going to call her 2b2?

a22

people don't say rapi2 but we should do that too then

[fast pebble]

Wtf

[toxic ingot]

Only as a support

[fast pebble]

[toxic ingot]

Alice still 100% mandatory vs fire-weak and pierce-happy bosses

[fast pebble]

Don destroy my agenda

[lost vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-happy-jumping-gif-26555219

[haughty jackal]

I knew asuka will be strong

[lost vapor]

I knew we will be broke.

Both Asuka version: "The solution to Rapture's problem is more ammo."

[crude whale]

Mod treasure next batch

[versed kraken]

Huh we are not getting new nier lol

[lost vapor]

We are not nierly getting it.

[lean smelt]

2b or not 2b, that is the question

[haughty jackal]

asuka wet Willy

[polar fern]

wats skill priority

[sharp kestrel]

10/1/1

[polar fern]

k

[crude whale]

Cant u or someone else just pin this?

[sweet trellis]

10/10/10 fake news

just 10/1/1

[jade flicker]

yea this is must pin

need to reset mine from 777

lmao

[haughty jackal]

Lmao

[fast pebble]

when reset time....

[shadow igloo]

in 2 months

Maybe...

[crude whale]

[lost vapor]

[lean smelt]

Shit, at 7/4/7

[twin valve]

s1 to 10

is the way

[jade flicker]

is this accounting for buffs fixes received from rei or is this just for pure asuka usage?

[hard locust]

Rei buff the S1 and remove the Heatdown from the S2, so same skill invest

[jade flicker]

lmao aight

[slender whale]

If this is true can we pls pin

[dry pine]

7/4/4 or 7/1/1 is even less books but I don't want my message pinned

[sweet trellis]

if you want to save even more resources you can also skip

[iron brook]

To save the most resources just uninstall the game

[iron brook]

(mods should pin this advice too)

[iron brook]

The rock calculations get so hard.

Do I abandon having Elemental on this piece and just reroll stats for more ATK?

Or start the slog of getting elemental on that first line

[runic leaf]

Why lock crit rate

[kind stratus]

it would make sense if this was a channel talking about sw

[iron brook]

It's a good crit rate

[runic leaf]

Not as good as element+atk

[iron brook]

[sweet trellis]

idk what your other 3 pieces look like but it would attend to those first before doing this one

atk% + ammo% is not bad

[iron brook]

I already have, I'm mostly done with the others..... It's been a lot of rocks

My Asuka... She has a lot of crit rate lol

[sweet trellis]

that's really good

[iron brook]

Yeah, so this is the only piece that's really left

Part of me wants to just reroll it completely

Abandon even the max ammo and commit to taking Crown with her

[sweet trellis]

that was also my inclination but i didn't want to say it

this piece can also still roll into atk% or ammo% in the first slot

if you get lucky with ammo it's not so bad

[iron brook]

Ammo is the real question

Do I want a lot, a little, or none

With Crown her reload is fine even without Rei

Because it's fast enough to not trigger windup

[sweet trellis]

since asukaW is better than modernia in neutral content she can find spots in non-crown comps too

but a little over 100% ammo is enough for her

if she has 600 ammo when her burst starts she won't reload during it

[iron brook]

If that's all I need I can just reroll stats for the first piece

Wait

I'm already there

[sweet trellis]

rn yes

if you reroll the piece entirely then it's gone

[iron brook]

So lock the ammo and reroll the crit rate huh

I can

[sweet trellis]

honestly

reroll the other piece's first slot

[iron brook]

The crit DMG?

[sweet trellis]

if it gets atk% it's really good but if it is ammo% then you can reroll the other piece entirely

[iron brook]

Oh I see

[sweet trellis]

yeah the crit dmg

[iron brook]

That's a good idea

[sweet trellis]

you have a lot of rocks to burn man when i threw 20 of them into charge dmg and charge speed i gave up

[iron brook]

I'm probably 100 rocks in at this point

I might do some quick math

Not sure ATK is actually gonna be better than crit dmg

My crit rate is currently 34%

My Crit DMG is 65% (+15 from OL)

Most of Asuka's damage can't hit core even if one exists, so that bracket is just Fullburst+CritDMG

So one third of the time, she'll deal 115% instead of 50%.

So in effect it's taking that bracket, on average, from 67% to 72%

Meanwhile her ATK bracket with Crown and RapiRH is gonna be at

18+ (65x2/3=43) + 46.8 + (29 with ReiT) + OL = 137%

My current OL is +24 for 151 total
Another ATK line of e.g. 13% would make it 164.

164/151=8.6% improvement

72/67=7.5% improvement

My napkin math says to keep the crit dmg

That's so many rocks just to go from 7.5% to 8.6%

As for the crit rate line on the first piece, it also ends up an average of around 67% without it, so same logic

[sweet trellis]

if you just roll an ele% on the first piece i think you're done but idk how far you want to take this really

[iron brook]

I think that's what I'll do

Roll ele% on first piece and call it there

Replacing the crit rolls with more ATK is just too little benefit

**TL;DR ** if their damage can't benefit from core, just take any crit lines as equivalent to ATK and call it a day

[violet atlas]

peak theory dmg should be 4x atk, 4x ele, 1x ammo, 2x crit dmg, 1x crit rate

but who even cares to min max like that

[earnest rapids]

she only needs 1 ammo line ?

[violet atlas]

let's see how Rei works

[dry pine]

4 more days?

That's four eternities

Is plural of eternity a real word?

[earnest rapids]

Yesn’t

[shadow igloo]

Only 1 ammo line means no crown rip

[storm haven]

Base crit rate is 15%, crit is usually around half an atk line at best in a non crit buffing team for characters like Cinderella

[iron brook]

Can Cinderella hit core with her normal attacks?

A big part of why I'm considering the difference negligible is that Asuka's S1 can't hit core, and during burst her (MG with no hit rate buff) normal attacks are 40% nerfed.

So she's got way less core damage than most

[storm haven]

Yes, but most of her dmg is from her skills and burst. Asuka would have similar core share. Also, your crit ratio calc doesn't factor in the base 100% damage:

[iron brook]

Oh I thought crit base was 50% more

Probably thinking of Genshin

[storm haven]

Going from 67% to +72% means a ratio of 172/167, not 72/67

[iron brook]

Oh right

[storm haven]

Because you deal 100% damage on a non-crit

[iron brook]

Same logic for ATK though

264/251

5% for ATK
3% for Crit Dmg or Crit Rate

ATK would be better but that's potentially a lot of rocks to replace a good crit role with a good ATK one

[storm haven]

But the other thing there is that normally crit rate doesn't start at 34%

It starts at 15%

[iron brook]

No, but in my case it's at 34%

[storm haven]

So you're calcing with a bonus 19% there

[iron brook]

And part of that is that the more crit rolls you have the more worth they become right

Each crit rate makes crit DMG better

And vice versa

[storm haven]

Yeah but look at the value

19% needs 3 to 4 crit lines already

And the result is that your crit dmg lines are still worse than atk by a significant margin

If I had to summarize a takeaway, it's that more total lines is generally equal or better than having less

So if you have a piece that has 2 crit lines, giving up both for 1 atk is very marginal gain

At least relative to cost

But atk is still at least twice as good per crit line, per tier, line for line

[visual juniper]

I alr quit

[storm haven]

Anyway crit is generally only really good on Cinderella

Because her burst damage lands outside of the fb multiplier

[earnest rapids]

another top 201 solo raid broke Kisenix

[iron brook]

I see

Fuck so I am rerolling a bunch more then

[visual juniper]

No

I only play casually autopilot now

I gave up

Which means I kind of quit

[violet atlas]

So i shud take your share heh

[visual juniper]

I didnt say I quit Nikke or Prydwen

I only said I quit competitive play

[violet atlas]

[dry pine]

Nikke isn't listed as a Prydwen popular game, what drives that?

Is it that the four games I saw are all more popular?

[pearl wraith]

EoS confirmed

[shadow igloo]

[violet atlas]

they look more famous than Nikke I guess

[fast pebble]

All except gfl2

[violet atlas]

yep

[fast pebble]

If we based on revenue

Gfl 2 did have 20 mil revenue at global launch

[violet atlas]

GFL2 barely beat Nikke last month

[fast pebble]

But its revenue dropped to around 7 mil

[violet atlas]

we will see about that this month

[fast pebble]

around 7 to 10 mil is probably what gfl 2 does regularly

While nikke is around 10 mil +

[violet atlas]

Anti uses views on site to calibrate

he cares shit about SU's revenue

[fast pebble]

20 mil if we get a decently popular character

[fast pebble]

Considering how new gfl is

Obviously its gonna get more views since prydwen is one of the few sites that have gfl guides, tiers and data

It doesn't help the fact there was the old asuka prydwen drama

Which make some ppl relies on nikke.gg instead

[violet atlas]

don't recall

I think people said Asuka wasn't that good right?

[fast pebble]

Some ppl think she does not deserve sss tier

[violet atlas]

in the end she's still there

[fast pebble]

[violet atlas]

oh I think Snake demoted her

[fast pebble]

For bossing yes

[violet atlas]

which is fair, no one should stay in SSS too long unless you click click

and even click click Alice can't hold her position longer

no pierce she looks mid af

[fast pebble]

If have core she is miles better

But

At the cost of your fingers

[sharp kestrel]

[fast pebble]

Like iirc bis click is 3 shot per sec

[sharp kestrel]

good thing I love a certain popular french pastry

[pearl wraith]

croissant

[fast pebble]

As said before

Old asuka has much higher damage floor but lower damage ceilling than alice

[violet atlas]

even le hu dmg doesn't match SSS anymore but she's flexible

if we talk about Iron DPS, Rapipi should clap her by twice if not thrice amount of dmg lol

[pearl wraith]

RH is actually stronger if shes hitting a boss with 10 pierceable cores overlapping

[fast pebble]

Talking about old asuka

Treasure helm is kinda good for her right?

Quick burst ensure she can get pierce as much as possible

[violet atlas]

Asuka once 10/10/10, reaches her peak. She scales pretty lame from other buffers unless it's dmg taken ^

[fast pebble]

And she gets constant heal from helm

[fast pebble]

Helm doesn't have much buff

There is the crit rate up

Tho its last round

So if you are going for that

You need to forgo ammo

And its crit rate up on normal attack

Fits old asuka

[earnest rapids]

Alice will never be SSS in my book cuz gaming chair requirement

[toxic ingot]

Only SSS-worthy units imo are Rapi, Crown, and maybe HelmT

Old Asuka's presence in solo raids isn't poor, but it's not stellar, either

Oh wait, that total's not updated

[earnest rapids]

HelmT should belong to SSS

HelmT + Crown >>> Naga + Crown

farter stages never a problem again

her burst gen is definitely needed if you run rapipi b1

with naga it's lacking

[shadow igloo]

Where sbs?

Oh fuck campaign

Yeah SBS sucks neutral campaign xD

[earnest rapids]

not really

[shadow igloo]

Well against wind weak she's good

[earnest rapids]

she wipe the floor with 35 and 36

[shadow igloo]

Over 40% you'll die using sbs

She needs like 9 hits to clear mobs

In burst

That's half of burst

You are dead at that point

https://tenor.com/view/mou-omae-omaewamoushindeiru-wa-omaewamou-gif-18680383

[earnest rapids]

i'm not psycho enough for 40%

beside, MC and behemoth gating force me to wait more

so deficit only around 30% at most

[shadow igloo]

Is not that hard 40%

depends on the chapter and scenarios

Sometimes even 30% could be a pain in the ass

[earnest rapids]

35 and 36 is really easy for some reason

except 35-26 and its copies

[shadow igloo]

I'm stuck in MC xD

465 synchro

[earnest rapids]

just need 1m1

[shadow igloo]

890m rn

My electric team

[earnest rapids]

my ein has 50% ele 5% atk, sanis has 40% ele 10% atk

yeah, no way doing MC before 1m1

nah i'm done with MC

(for now)

fuck electric units and their raids

[shadow igloo]

I mean, those units are useful so better if you build them

[haughty jackal]

Nice

[haughty jackal]

Wonder if asuka, rei will be good for campaign

[twin valve]

I keep hearing from people that life better if no competitive games

When will I reach that point

[twin valve]

Views drive it
Zzz Vs nikke is close

Prydwen has a lot of traffic on other games

[haughty jackal]

Prygwen

[visual juniper]

Competitive games are only worth it if you create content out of them, or if you just like the thrill of chasing ranks or trying to build your personal brand

People look for guides often

Casual games are better if u just wanna kill time. You can still create content off them.

In my personal experience

Creating content off competitive games requires you to have proof that ure good at the game, but it's one of the easiest ways to gain name

But this is not the case for casual games

• Casual games = people care about you more, sometimes the game, sometimes both
• Competitive games = people care about your game/gameplay more, they barely care about you

[viscid arrow]

is she must pull now or not

[kind stratus]

she's as good as sbs, sbs is used 100% even on neutral

[visual juniper]

I can assure you that most competitive players who chase ranks are motivated by fame chasing (they want the world to know they're good at the game). Either they push this further by streaming/youtubing or just having a gaming profile showcasing their achievements no clue.

Some just like tryharding games. Usually malders and completionists.

[visual juniper]

Yes

Rei too

Get both

Its collab and limited

[twin valve]

For most players if gatrix cooked to perfection then for most of the playerbase Asuka + Rei > SBS + alice

Simply cuz most people don't have good Alice at all

But Rei is easy to build

[lost vapor]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/guide-asuka-wille

[visual juniper]

Also steam games >>>>>>> gacha games

I have stopped spending in nikke

2 weeks ago

[lost vapor]

I'm trying to find a typo in the guide 👀

[visual juniper]

This is not written by me primarily btw u won't find typo

[lost vapor]

Shadd up, I'm doing it for free, don't stop me.

[visual juniper]

Sir I read 70% of it already

I mean there are inconsistencies like one part it says maximize, later maximise

Lmao

I think Gatrix uses American

Snake uses British

Or both use British

Snake ure buying MHWilds?

[twin valve]

My laptop didn't say yes

[lost vapor]

Where is SEA-lish?

[twin valve]

I wanted to

[visual juniper]

Sad

Save up for PC i guess

Laptop is a cash grab

[twin valve]

Yeah, doing

[twin valve]

I need for uni and work

[visual juniper]

Get shitty phone + shitty laptop but have RTX 9090

[twin valve]

I can't live without decent phone and laptop

[sweet trellis]

do we reset modernia? now that asukaW can take her place

[visual juniper]

What do u do on phone

Play Honor of Kings?

Nikke?

[twin valve]

Instagram reels

[visual juniper]

Once u play Nikke on pc ure 100% not turning back

Sir what the fuck

[lost vapor]

Hmm, what is lowest ammo % OL for Asuka? assume 2 OL.

[visual juniper]

2 OL

[fast pebble]

quite opposite tiering

[haughty jackal]

I only see people use normal asuka in fire campaign

[fast pebble]

shit do i need rei....

i wanna MLB asuka

[toxic ingot]

Rei would definitely be the better choice than dupes of Asuka

[fast pebble]

but damnnnnn that MLB lobby screen tho...

[haughty jackal]

Whats her mlb

[fast pebble]

the only pic i can find

its just beautiful

and its not coming back

[haughty jackal]

Oh I mean yeah it's nice

[kind stratus]

one can say that kim hyung tae loves asuka more than his wife

[fast pebble]

fuck it, imma pull

[violet atlas]

pull Asuka

skip Rei

[fast pebble]

maybe ill get lucky XD

also im kinda team asuka

well i did get alot of bond episode i havent done

[sweet trellis]

i got 180k gems in the bank and am considering an mlb but it goes against my principles

[fast pebble]

depends

if its any seasonal or normal nikke then yeah

but collab limited is kinda well not coming back

[earnest rapids]

it will be back in Nikke 2

[fast pebble]

[toxic ingot]

Evangelion Part 3

[sweet trellis]

meanwhile we are literally in a collab rerun

[fast pebble]

which most likely just a contract obligation

its possible eva 2 event and banner may get a rerun but i wont bet on it

i mean just look at eva 1 and eva 2 pre-even launch period

eva 1 was teased and hyped hard by SU

but after the poor receiving, eva 2 just pushed out without much fanfare

despite have a much better story imo

[haughty jackal]

😭

[earnest rapids]

EVA 1 units are strong

somehow they made EVA 2 even stronger

and after this they wont come back ever again btw

[lost vapor]

not really

Asuka 1 is SSS in campaign, SS in bossing
Asuka 2 flip the table.

[earnest rapids]

Asuka 2 has higher ceiling

and i have a feeling her and ReiT gonna be a staple even in neutral raids

just like cindy electric boogaloo bullshit

[toxic ingot]

Fire, electric, and wind are all going to be able to brute force now

[sweet trellis]

it is a good thing for skill books

covering multiple elements with the same character is big savings

[eternal salmon]

Should I wait for Rei.T’s release before rerolling asuka’s OL lines?

Cuz maybe max ammo line is not essential?

[dry pine]

I happened to get MLB Asuka 2.0 in exactly 200 pulls. Like, literally, exactly. Very last unit in the 20th multipull was the 4th copy

How many gems is that? 60,000?

[restive kiln]

Asuka not rapi rh , skip mlb

[lean smelt]

how many banners after reit is half anni

[rapid sonnet]

2 or 3 if I were to guess

[restive kiln]

Cant wait for water asuka 3.0 soon

[haughty jackal]

Asuka adult

[tame slate]

Cappie Asuka , I won't be able to unsee that

[haughty jackal]

That's true

[lean smelt]

is reit next reset

[vast shadow]

the one after

[restive kiln]

mlb asukaW or reiT if you can only choose one?

W got better lobby tbh

[autumn shard]

AsukaW

[iron brook]

Something I haven't noticed mentioned yet is 100-110 seems to be the max ammo sweet spot where she reloads before she bursts when on auto (assuming constant boss existence to shoot at)

If above that you'll have to start manually reloading before she bursts

[autumn shard]

ReiT's primary value is going to be her kit canceling out Asuka W's downsides

Asuka is the one doing most of the damage

So, if you really wanted to MLB one of them, pick AsukaW

Same for OG Asuka and ReiA

[iron brook]

Sweet spot may shift a bit after ReiT reduces her windup though

[autumn shard]

That being said, ReiT's kit revolves around sharing ~80% of her ATK as Caster ATK buffs to the rest of her team

Which, as an attacker, isn't a terrible investment if you want to MLB her

It's just that AsukaW is the one putting in most of the work in this B3 duo

And unfortunately, unlike the OG Asuka and ReiA duo where they work well together, but can be slotted into any Fire team

most of ReiT's kit only works if she's paired with AsukaW, but the reverse isn't true.

[iron brook]

I think you've misread her burst, it only buffs her own ATK

[autumn shard]

You're right. ReiT's 2nd skill doubles the MG heating speed on MG Nikke for 13 seconds (to compensate for AsukaW's forced refractory time after Full Burst) and provides 11.61% of Caster ATK for 10 seconds.

And her 1st skill revolves around helping AsukaW stack Anti AT field faster and giving Asuka an extra 17.6% of ReiT's Caster ATK

Since this is the last Evangelion collab, I highly doubt we'll ever get a 2nd unit with Annihilation State, so "All allies in Annihlation State" is basically just Asuka

[sweet trellis]

the reload after burst looks so insignificant for asukaw

most characters have a reload period and asukaw's being outside of her burst is fine

[visual juniper]

If u dont realize, we had AR meta on release, followed by SR meta (late 2023), then SG/RL meta (2024), MG meta (2025)