[Rapi: Red Hood] New Unit Megathread

[high lotus]

never thought it was worth it for the resources required

[pallid crown]

My union mate was top 38 last raid

Without exiaT

I can see a way to put rrh there

[steel junco]

Mine was higher without exia too

Well... mine

https://tenor.com/view/hk416-airplane-ride-gfl-gfl2-gif-16342015418841755799

[glass hearth]

does anyone got a full clear vid for kraken with rapi b1

is this anomaly intercept? do u have a vid

[hasty portal]

whats there to watch? just adjust the timing a bit since you nolonger have the delay on the first burst

the overall strategy stayed the same as far as I am aware

[steel junco]

Will I be able to get her?

[forest helm]

not with that team

u need helm or marci or both

[steel junco]

Helm it is

[alpine hatch]

For Mod?

Diesel should be enough

[abstract knot]

God reroll with 5 rocks

[hasty portal]

got 6 stones and invested them well

[abstract knot]

And got ammo to move onto the 3rd slot

[pallid crown]

nice, now reroll ele or atk in 2nd slot

[abstract knot]

Yes chief

👍

[royal berry]

Yes, this is kraken. No vid but can try recprd later

[vagrant mantle]

1 tap

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012288696336273428/1323479678417371169/Sequence_01_5.gif

[stable glen]

Why the hell aren't her advise answers published anywhere online yet D:

[humble bear]

what tool is this to track OLs? or is it custom built

[delicate cliff]

What cube does she want? Just the usual Res?

ty

[forest helm]

Treasure Diesel is overkilling
But Mod is about wing skip cheese and burst gen so you can nuke the core at the end of the battle.

[urban comet]

Guys how much is MC's full defense percent buff?

[steel junco]

90 per slipper. So 360% with all 4

[rancid shore]

cracked neutral

omg i keep forgetting it

enough game for today

[royal berry]

mine almost there

probably 100M more if they did not nerf pause tech

[rancid shore]

hmm

prolly 200-300ml more

[civic inlet]

Should i get more rapi

[dawn elk]

So from here, where can I slot in Rapi?

Also what's the general opinion on SSR Rapi? Is she any good?

[rancid shore]

no its just exaggerate of her b1

consider she has good aoe and strong burst 3 also

your team doesnt have that from all b3 here

rapipi should be b3 here

[dawn elk]

What do you mean?

[rancid shore]

they dont have good area of effect damage

[fast sun]

Bad news in hindsight. With the introduction of overspec, we're getting an ass load more 1% banners than usual

Say goodbye to your gold ticks

[marble swan]

are we going back to year 1

where I couldn't get all Nikke

[indigo plaza]

you’ve seen those profit numbers, gotta pump it up

[heavy wharf]

i feel bad for newer players too since you'll only have 5 wishlist slots for pilgrims but they get saturated with other overspecs

[glass hearth]

[gritty token]

Powercreep will save them, funnily enough

No new player needs to reroll for drunk scarlet, for example

[main zodiac]

New players have their own PvP group to compete in

[gritty token]

[main zodiac]

Those without Scarlet will suffer

[gritty token]

She's just one of many viable PvP teams now

[main zodiac]

As I do

[gritty token]

Noah probably the most meta OG pilgrim now tbh

PvP you can just grab another good PvP B3

[main zodiac]

Scarlet is the best B3

[gritty token]

Ehhhh

I have her and don't even use her rn lol

Running Rei, Emilia, and Cindy as my B3

Because I can invest heavily in them and use for both PvP and PvE

Which for newbies is even more of an issue

They don't want to invest in a dolled up scarlet just for PvP

[main zodiac]

I will

I still have to skip the Scarlet team of anyone I attack

[gritty token]

Just take Noah

[glass hearth]

noah 2RL ezpz win

2/2.5

[gritty token]

Tbh it's Noah teams that fuck me over

Either my Emilia fires after it ends and I win

Or she fires too quick and I lose

[urban comet]

Rapi RH Crown Cindy SAnis when

Behemoth

[main zodiac]

I just use SAnis against Noah

[main zodiac]

Unfortunately, Scarlet revenge kills me through Noah

[high lotus]

Git gud

[rancid shore]

its like a trend

[shell willow]

Did you bring Rapi on a boss deal more dmg against fire

[rancid shore]

is that even real

ohhhh

i thought its not pokemon

[steel junco]

[karmic night]

On Mc ai yea

[rancid shore]

Im hitting behemoth

I guess she donezo same

[crimson oar]

so what stats she needs? 4 atk 4 element and some max ammo?

[gritty token]

4 ele is the minimum.

Then ATK and Ammo, depending on how many rocks you want to spend

Personally I'd consider them equivalent (ATK and Ammo), so it's more a question of aiming for 2 lines or 3 per gear

[crimson oar]

man i'm so bad at getting the stats i need...

used all my locks & only got 2 ele 2 atk 4 ammo

[fast sun]

Too much atk might brick your Alice or maxwell
It's like noire stealing carrots all over again

[marble swan]

doesn't seems too brick if you consider their off burst DPS

[glass hearth]

shud b aiming for line 3s on all 4 pieces first

then working from there

[steel junco]

I can now reach S8 thanks to rapipi

[crimson oar]

wait how does work

[glass hearth]

do u have screenshot of ur pieces

[crimson oar]

[glass hearth]

she wants 4x max ammo > 4x ele > 4x att

[crimson oar]

it's embarrassing to post it

💀

[glass hearth]

then ele value > att value > max ammo value

[crimson oar]

but when you say

aiming for line 3 first

so

[glass hearth]

since u basically need 11 or 12 full lines (4 pieces with 3 lines each)

[crimson oar]

you want ammo on line 3

then work from there?

[glass hearth]

u basically need to get ele att or max ammo on line 3 on all 4 pieces

line 1 has 100% chance of something appearing, line 2 has 50% chance, line 3 has 30% chance

[crimson oar]

ohhh

i get it

so i wanna get 1 of these 3 stats on line 3 first

[glass hearth]

if u focus on getting ele att or max ammo on line 3, when you hit that 30% chance, you have 3 stats to get out of 9 stats

[glass hearth]

ya

[crimson oar]

💀

[glass hearth]

good thing is u got 4 ammo lines

[crimson oar]

i see

[glass hearth]

bad thing is 2 of them is line 2 and 1 is line 1

[crimson oar]

i get it now

💀

[glass hearth]

the "easiest" piece u have

[crimson oar]

[glass hearth]

is that max ammo 77.15% on line 3

tempo lock that and then change effects till att or ele appears on line 2

[crimson oar]

yes that's a good roll for sure

[glass hearth]

after that...

probably piece 4, just rawdog change effects till max ammo/att/ele appear on line 3

[crimson oar]

i guess ele is better then atk

[glass hearth]

yeah cuz her s1 has attack buff already

[crimson oar]

ok thanks

[glass hearth]

so attack is diluted

[crimson oar]

ok

i get it now

thanksss

[glass hearth]

machine guns and alice are aids to overload

[karmic night]

Atk is pretty good if you use her as b1

[crimson oar]

https://x.com/swd3e22/status/1874093723505877196

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Twitter · Dec 31, 2024, 2:02 PM

[glass hearth]

im not gonna go too hard to get a 4th attack line

my rapi looking like its gonna be 4x ele 4x max ammo 3x att

[crimson oar]

please take this as returning the favor for helping me

[glass hearth]

already seen it

but thanks

[crimson oar]

omg i just hit the jackpot on my doll for viper lv 15 now

so happy

now i can put all the resource for rapi

i wish rapi gets a new skin asap, i want her to have somewhat a different eye.

[gritty token]

I feel like the rock economy is very different for people who buy every gacha skin/rock pack and those who don't lol

[glass hearth]

i havent spent in 12 months

[gritty token]

3 lines is an insane rock investment if just using Kraken

[glass hearth]

im more f2p than @urban comet

dont even have the $5 monthly pack

[karmic night]

Idk isnt gacha skin just 3 rocks?

[gritty token]

I dunno, but there's simply no way 12 lines is achievable for me unless I give up on the next 5 new units

Just too many rocks

[forest helm]

Just give up on the next 5 units

They will be bad eventually

[karmic night]

Dont worry half anni is 5 months away

Plenty of time to save rocks

[fresh linden]

Yes!!

[marble swan]

save for 3rd anni and new year 2026

pretty sure they will be stronger than cuck queen Pari

[royal berry]

oh i think just finish build rapi is enough

[glass hearth]

[royal berry]

may 1 more atk line on xlud

[fresh linden]

my first elemental atk

3 max ammo so far

[heavy wharf]

how many rocks so far ?

[fresh linden]

near 20

[heavy wharf]

not bad

could've been worse

[fresh linden]

Elysion floor 380, 80k boss.

[marble swan]

[fresh linden]

Damn you Mother Whale!!

[marble swan]

kids these days would never know how it feels

[fresh linden]

Rapipi's grenade can wipe mob fast, but it's easily mismatch effort.

681 max ammo

grenade also deal multiple dmg to turrets as well

make her dps easier to land

With her aoe, she can wipe 1/4 of mobs, 2/4 at max, count per wave.

But on Mother Whale high lv, the mobs can wipe your team with only 50% of their group.

[marble swan]

come to think of it

a lot are stuck in 730F Mother Whale

dunno why they don't use Rapi and A2

or Emilia, whatever

[small meteor]

is rapi bond 30 or 40

30 would be a SCAM

[marble swan]

30

deal with it

+10 btw

[fresh linden]

40

[near relic]

I need 200 rocks

[indigo plaza]

and I need a thicc goth sugar mommy to adopt and pamper me, but we can't get what we need all the time

[heavy wharf]

iProbie gooning, wtf is this

[marble swan]

look how Nikke destroys a man

[heavy wharf]

more like

revealing his true self

[indigo plaza]

yes I want a sugar mommy to pamper me so i can stop worrying about paychecks and the economy

[lean arch]

Relatable

[near relic]

https://tenor.com/view/gfl-gfl2-andoris-dancing-dance-gif-11083412416440156813

[fresh linden]

[mighty lodge]

I need more rocks for my pira

[silver cradle]

My Rapipi is still Crapipi

I just need more ammo bro

[marble swan]

better than being Pari

[mighty lodge]

do you buy elysion console with label now or just pilgrim console?

[marble swan]

each lv gains like 25 ATK right?

[mighty lodge]

yea

[vital tangle]

Dudes average synchro score on dps is 155k you can easily get it lol

[hasty portal]

isn't that kind of low?

[lean arch]

🥹

H-heh yeah...

[hasty portal]

my cinderella is currently my strongest with 139k pwr but she is only 347

[broken tulip]

what is the skill on rh

[hasty portal]

10 10 10

[broken tulip]

ok

[tough gust]

whats the optimal Elysion tower team with RRH now?

should she replace Dwife or replace a B3?

[steel junco]

B3 replacement

[tough gust]

so like a Dwife, Marciana, RRH, MPriv, MaidenIR?

[hasty portal]

yeah

[mighty lodge]

that's da best team atm

[near relic]

No phantom goat?

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-pull-r-fail-scam-gif-17654319326937004839

[fresh linden]

Where is prydwen review

[vagrant mantle]

Ngl thought her shirt would disappear

[dark vector]

Mine is 150+% ammo, I think, over 3 lines

[dark vector]

Yay, I can field this once I invest in DWife
Also, no treasure Diesel?

[marble swan]

MPriv

dafuq

Mpriv without bursting is shit

Phantom da goat doesn't need it

and tell me you burst Mpriv instead of Pari or Maiden

[glass scaffold]

how good is new rapi?

[glass scaffold]

its says shes the goat for mlb

[karmic night]

Shes the strongest banner of 2025 atm

[glass scaffold]

thats not really a good explination

[glass scaffold]

thank you

[marble swan]

but 2025 only has her

[glass scaffold]

that and prev scarlet

[slim olive]

completely forgot that SBS has a rerun

focus on Rapi

[cold topaz]

Is she a must?

[mighty lodge]

yes

[heavy wharf]

profile pic check out

[marble swan]

she's a have to

[pliant phoenix]

Can go either way, B1 or B3.

B1 I recommend: MPrivaty, Privaty/XMaiden/Vesti, Guillotine, RapiH, Diesel/Marciana/SHelm.
B3 I recommend: DWife, Diesel/Marciana/SHelm, RapiH, MPrivaty, Privaty/XMaiden/Vesti.

I currently use DWife, Diesel, RapiH, MPrivaty, XMaiden.

If you feel burst is too slow to win the floor, definitely make sure you use XMaiden or Vesti to correct it.

SHelm can also be deliberately used for extra damage against Iron-weak stages/bosses in less common cases like vs Gravedigger.

[marble swan]

look at this Phantom doubter

[pliant phoenix]

Phantom has been exorcised out of the team

[mighty lodge]

phantom is ded

[marble swan]

better than non burst Privaty

[pliant phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-chihuahua-demon-exorcist-gif-20018298

[karmic night]

Not true. Shes the strongest librarian by far

[mighty lodge]

she can't even spell correctly

[pliant phoenix]

I think she can spell D-E-D

[lean arch]

what is bro doing

[alpine hatch]

Pi

[shell willow]

Guys, Am I cooked

[lean arch]

no line 3 its over

[abstract knot]

Seems like it

[marble swan]

we are the first?

nikkegg slacking smh

[pallid crown]

C pvp

[fresh linden]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/guide-rapi-red-hood

[high lotus]

should be S in pvp

She's way better than the likes of asuka there

If high invest she deals with a lot of Noah biscuit comps (although not consistently with most) without having to out speed, something that very few units can do (the only ones that can happen to all be in SSS btw)

And blows up linked units if rapi is still targeting them during full burst

Also has ele adv against at least half of the meta pvp roster

[warm hazel]

rapi is iron fire

meta PvP mostly electric

[high lotus]

she's both

while not weak to laplace treasure

so actually better than both

1 weakness (emilia), a bajillion super effective

[rancid shore]

Top 1 prolly cindy or alice idk

Sth telling me its

[warm hazel]

kill scarlet fast then

if scarlet P1

need big PP ele

but can she kill her in 2s?

[marble swan]

if core exists all the time without pierce, Rapi wins

if core doesn't exist, Cindy

if core exists but is hidden, Alice

[rancid shore]

[high lotus]

she doesn't kill anyone in under 2 seconds

but she kills linked units during full burst

[marble swan]

can't wait for their pvp fixing in 2025 so I can move Rapi to SSS PVP too

[fresh linden]

wait wait, Rapipi can enter B1 while RH is on team?!

that count?!

[marble swan]

RH is B3

[high lotus]

and depending on exact invests on both teams, she is capable of killing noah biscuit by 1 shotting noah inbetween her invulns

[marble swan]

get a hold of yourself

[high lotus]

but is very rng, and actually requires your rapi to be weak

[fresh linden]

ah yes

I forgot, it based on what Burst rotation is list on the profile

not on the actualy mechanic of skills

[marble swan]

it's the variation of Crown - Liter/D - Alice - Asuka - Red

[fresh linden]

Hey, I have been using RH B1 hard stages a lot

that my brain believe she is B1 Default

[warm hazel]

because liter cdr now outdated

we need instant 2nd burst

or else bullwhip kill you

[marble swan]

nah

bullwhip won't

Column will

[fresh linden]

So my Rapipi have 3 max ammo right now, despite I didn't know what to reroll

she have 660 max ammo default

[high lotus]

I've been dealing with that by using rh b1 and naga b2 along with liter and crown for my first 2 bursts

[fresh linden]

600 is the break point

[high lotus]

third burst b3 is delayed by like 3 sec, but usually not a big deal

[marble swan]

some stages require 4 or 5 bursts

especially in late 31 late 32

[high lotus]

don't give ingrid that much credit

elysion's savior had to literally show up on her doorstep

[marble swan]

ask snek

elysion savior is always phantom da goat

people just refuse believing

[fresh linden]

Well, storywise, Ingrid is the one that fuse RH with Rapi

[high lotus]

? she was already fused beforehand

[wintry fox]

People don't pause scam in nikke

[high lotus]

ingrid just tinkered with it and let her practice

[wintry fox]

They play with one hand

[marble swan]

I don't either

[warm hazel]

missilis SSS dps when?

[marble swan]

I just strafe

[warm hazel]

matis shucks

[marble swan]

feeling very good when you hear the sfx

[wintry fox]

Ein is essentially nearly SSS

[marble swan]

pew pew pew

[pallid crown]

Wait for matis overspec

[rancid shore]

All those dps thank to xmaiden burst gen

Real savior

[high lotus]

why is xmaiden still S tier in pvp btw

[marble swan]

forgot to type this part, dementia hit so hard

[high lotus]

she should be in SS

[wintry fox]

She's just a burst gen unit

[marble swan]

[wintry fox]

What else is she

[high lotus]

with great p1 pressure

[pallid crown]

A mommy

[high lotus]

and lets you run a no attacker setup while also using burst gen sub dps

[pallid crown]

[marble swan]

with great power

comes great responsibility

[high lotus]

she's no worse than laplace

as b3 in pvp, she's better than laplace in a lot of cases

[wintry fox]

I'm gonna be demoting all these "great P1 pressure" that only gives burst gen down to S tier soon

The burst gen only units go to A
And then B tier is baseline usable

[fresh linden]

I... skipped event story, currently, due to works, ahaha...

[high lotus]

ok then demote laplace

[fresh linden]

🏃‍♂️

[high lotus]

her burst tickles in pvp bc she can't fully stack s1

[wintry fox]

I will
I have a ranking criteria in mind

[wintry fox]

Whose burst

[high lotus]

laplace

[wintry fox]

I mean you wouldn't burst with xmidden or lappy

[high lotus]

also none of those b3s that have a nuke and minimal followup should be there, like maiden and mpriv and rei

[wintry fox]

I know

Blame @marble swan and @urban comet for putting them there

[high lotus]

maiden burst does actually let you deal with indom p1 link setups if faster

just kills p1 scar + all linked units before they can b2

[wintry fox]

That can be said about a lot of units

That's a ye old strat

[high lotus]

yeah but she can do it while also burst gen, easier to do 2rl

[marble swan]

do you know Lap has initial burst too

deal quite high dmg in fact

before drilling 30 FPS laser

[wintry fox]

I don't believe in any of their bursts

[marble swan]

yep

they are just fail safe

[warm hazel]

so noah biscuit maiden?

[high lotus]

2rl maiden

[warm hazel]

kill scarlet fast

[high lotus]

I haven't seen a 2rl laplace do it, but no one has tested it either tbf

[warm hazel]

i usually goes for noah biscuit maiden emilia rumani

gonna try

[wintry fox]

I mean realistically ain't no one using 2rl xMaiden

[marble swan]

pretty sure it's impossible for Maiden to kill P1 within 2 RL no?

[high lotus]

plus you can do that 2rl maiden while also doing no attacker, so even if they got rosa, noah/rumani/biscuit/maiden/centi ignores rosa

[high lotus]

with her burst

[wintry fox]

Yeah but why do you want to do 2rl xMaiden

[marble swan]

so you do 2 RL but kill P1 only

[wintry fox]

There's better options

[marble swan]

why

[high lotus]

scarlet/blanc/rosa/anis/jackal, just snipe them

[wintry fox]

He wants to snipe jackal link in p1

Or blanc in p1

[high lotus]

it's a viable use case to deal with setups that normal ppl got trouble with

don't even need noah there tbh

[wintry fox]

Bro on his snowwhite strat era

[marble swan]

I mean

this works the same

and it kills whatever electric P1 right?

[wintry fox]

It's prolly lower damage im guessing is the problem

[high lotus]

it might, haven't seen anyone do it tbf, if it works, then both are more than just burst gen

[wintry fox]

Dw I have a genius (imo) criteria in mind

I will cook

In retrospect I should've maybe placed xMaiden in SS for now until revamp

[high lotus]

she should be at least same tier as laplace is all I'm asking

[wintry fox]

But in my mind, it's like

She's electric (again), and she's just a burst gen

For Laplace, I was like, damn bro iron nikke!!!!

[high lotus]

and they should be higher tier than the actual pure burst gens of rumani centi anis

[wintry fox]

Iron off burst nikke is the rarest commodity in pvp

[high lotus]

she's burst gen + not attacker, while laplace burst gen and a lot better with dealing with p2 electric like biscuit

rosa is even easier to deal with these days with cindy and maiden, just have her snipe your invuln p1 p2 in a no attacker setup

or snipe p2 cindy, bc her decoy completely tanks rosa snipe (if you're ok with them getting more gen)

[wintry fox]

Decoy death gives enemy burst gen?

Or does the decoy give burst gen

[high lotus]

hitting decoy with rl gives them more gen

[wintry fox]

Im still not a 100% on whether the decoy gives extra gen or not

[high lotus]

p2 cindy means all their rls get 25% more gen

[wintry fox]

Confirmed?

Or hearsay

[high lotus]

25%? no, more gen? absolutely

cindy decoy also deals with enemy cindy

[wintry fox]

Js tho the best 2rl team is definitely cindy

[high lotus]

even if decoy dies in 1 hit

bc the other hit will still hit where the dead decoy is

[wintry fox]

What

[high lotus]

from here

a lot of matchups like this, with varying speeds, my cindy never took hp dmg from nuke

timeline goes something like: both cindies b3, their cindy first hit deals more than enough to break decoy, second cindy hit still hits "decoy"

[wintry fox]

Nah nah this feels like
Wait I know what happened

Cindy is sequential??

Right?

Similar to SSakura?

[high lotus]

sorta I think

order of second 5 is the same as first 5

hits all 5 in a specific order (rng mostly), second 5 is the same

[wintry fox]

Cindy killed your decoy
Your Cindy burst, and got new decoy

And hence you blocked it twice
Cindy hit everyone twice

[high lotus]

my cindy burst before their first hit

[pallid crown]

Cindy in defense sucks

[wintry fox]

For sure this happened

[high lotus]

and I have done runs where my cindy burst was inbetween the two hits (which I thought was due to refresh)

[pallid crown]

Attacking if no noah is mmmm

[wintry fox]

It's definitely this cuz like
Nothing else makes sense

[high lotus]

it does

if a unit dies to first hit of cindy (just regular unit)

the second hit still hits their dead body

and produces dmg number too

[wintry fox]

The 2nd number of decoy wouldn't pop up otherwise

You can't hit the decoy twice otherwise cuz there is no decoy

[wintry fox]

What is Cindy's decoys hp, can you check

Another thing possible is that maybe they straight up just didn't kill the decoy in the first hit

[high lotus]

here for the ghost hits on dead body

my cindy max hp is around 3 mil at that time

so 4. something is easily enough to 1 tap

can you guys access the server through a forward if you didn't have access before

or just watch the vid

[urban comet]

This

[high lotus]

visually you can check that the decoy hologram is gone after the first hit, and while it's still gone, the second hit still hit the "decoy"

the refresh of the hologram is right before the first hit too if you check visually

hologram first disappears and reappears from refresh, then disappears for good after first hit

cindy burst is just "dumb", after it selects targets on cast, it doesn't change them even if targets change midway through burst sequence

it somewhat bypasses noah shield this way as well (at least the main hits), when noah shield goes up midway

the additionals get blocked realtime since they're calced diff (they get full burst bonus is prob same reason)

to get back on topic, if anyone got an opponent with noah + biscuit, with no other sustain, try blanc/rapi/rh/biscuit/rumani(or jackal)
or if you need to be 3rl to indom in time, do blanc/rapi/rumani(or jackal)/biscuit/centi
also need a good enough invest rapi
40%+ ele, skills at least 7/7/7
pls record and ping me with vid and rapi invest

[pallid crown]

Same word you said about asuka

[rancid shore]

Ouch

[tough gust]

No, I only treasured Laplace and Exia since I’m not sure treasuring Diesel is worth with Elysion tower

[tough gust]

Ah nice thanks. I don’t have Diesel treasure so I guess Marciana will do currently

Not to mention her and Helm are the only ones that heal

There’s Emma too but who uses her nowadays

[abstract knot]

Got atk on the 2nd slot

[minor quest]

One of my pieces also has ATK on second

[pallid crown]

nice, now ele in 1st line and you're done

well maybe later reroll %

[abstract knot]

I'm thinking once I get ele, then I can reroll %

[pallid crown]

yea looking for blue or black ele

[mighty lodge]

while rocks are never enough

[rancid shore]

Reroll for 3rd line costed more rock than getting nice placement of 11/12 now

Could have been another unit out of bench

[mighty lodge]

I throwed more than 60 rocks to cinder for getting ele on 2nd line and all failed

fucking scam

[minor quest]

I have yet to get a single Ele line on my Rapi

[dark vector]

I see, thanks

[gleaming current]

Same

Got 4x ammo atleast

[rancid shore]

cant confirm it since history is wiped

[pallid crown]

I refuse to respond to him cuz I don't wanna seem a mad talking alone

Momo gimme luck

[rancid shore]

Not this time

i got 7 rocks today and no improvement, what luck

[pallid crown]

We are at the point to make screenshots of his answers

I got 5 rocks

I rolled atk second line

In my ele 3rd line

Need ammo but I don't have custom locks

imma grind em for now and reroll % looking for blue or black lines

[rancid shore]

since the first 38 rocks, it has been a downfall

[pallid crown]

Ugh good luck fixing that piece

[rancid shore]

good piece

[pallid crown]

Gimme luck

Pray for me thanks

[rancid shore]

81 ammo hold alot of weight, other piece combined ammo not even equal lol

[pallid crown]

I'm atheist I can't pray

I'll try 12/12 rapipi

[rancid shore]

this one worked on today

[pallid crown]

Prolly I have to sacrifice 1 or 2 solo raids xD

[rancid shore]

into this in 5 rocks

i was feeling gamble and instead of roll for ammo tmr i spent last 2 rocks to roll attribute

[pallid crown]

Ugh reroll X3 rocks but being first line is ok

I can't live gambling I dunno why the luck abandoned me

[rancid shore]

at beginning

[pallid crown]

and I refuse to buy 5 rock for 55 dollars xD

I'm skipping even that pack of 12 rocks for 55 dollars

I don't wanna fall that bad for gambling

[karmic current]

Is it worth 10/10/10 or is there a skill not worth getting to 10

[pallid crown]

My only support is my wife who controls me

[pallid crown]

Minimum investment 10/10/10

Otherwise uninstall the game

[silver cradle]

Everyone gangsta till that Scarlet brings along Rosanna and xAnne

[pallid crown]

Core 5

gimme luck momo

[royal berry]

I finally can leave this hell helmet piece

[glass hearth]

get the attack higher no balls

[royal berry]

no rock, i got 5 blank today

[wintry fox]

I got 30 rocks in 3 days

[royal berry]

I will need to farm R doll for Rapi first

[pallid crown]

[rancid shore]

hope i get 12/12 before it ends

[pallid crown]

Solo raid?

[rancid shore]

before full burst ends, it will feel more choked after

[vague silo]

should i lock 3rd line ammo on rapipi

[marble swan]

should, line 3 even if it's a 12, will be much appreciated

[hollow hinge]

Huh pretty high huh

[glass hearth]

temporary lock yes

[shell willow]

MG, the type of dps that get countered easily

[high lotus]

Yeah on defense is bad, but on offense more useful than most

[shell willow]

Like just use Emma or Jackal, she got rekt

[high lotus]

No reason for Eva rei to be higher than her

[shell willow]

Pvp prefer burst dps then stable dps

And also, 30 fps on pvp so, her dps got cut by half

[high lotus]

Still enough to kill entire team if built and buffed

Able to deal with some Noah biscuit without outspeeding

That by itself is S minimum imo

Need more tests, and high invest rapi

[marble swan]

Wont work like that, if noah cockblock her s2 twice, it is a guaranteed loss

[high lotus]

Rest of team will still die if enough buffs

Problem is making rapi win that 1v1 with Noah rn

It depends on each specific matchup and the invests in both sides, so not reliable atm

Maybe later when more ppl got high invest

Most consistent matchup seems to be noise/Noah/Sanis/biscuit/jackal, noise Sanis link and noise taunt

Kills Sanis through link before Sanis kills your team, and you win

Also need tests against Noah setups without biscuit

If you need biscuit to defend against her, that makes her pretty good

[mossy solstice]

how is her B1 A tier in pvp

let me read the review

[high lotus]

it's not updated yet

I'm still seeing C tier b1

[mossy solstice]

if anything, I feel that C tier for B1 in arena is more appropriate
she doesn't help with burst gen, bc MG, duh
no defensive util, healing/taunt/indom/etc
ATK buff is nothing compared to Liter

surprised by Tove at B tier arena, must be old meta or something

[high lotus]

b1 dmg isn't too bad.. esp if hitting someone who isn't invulned

[fresh linden]

Rapipi's grenade

[karmic night]

What does this mean?
3x ammo essential
But, 1x ammo ideal?

[mossy solstice]

1x on top of the 3x

[high lotus]

1 extra ammo on top of the 3 ig

it's a bit confusing tbf

[fresh linden]

Essential: 100+ rocks
Ideal: 20+ rocks

your choice

[mossy solstice]

what?

no

[fresh linden]

You need Rapipi to have 600 max ammo, as it bring her dps to peak (assuming 60 fps)

that cost 3 max ammo

or two black lines

[mossy solstice]

two black lines is already 800+ max ammo

what??

is there a reason behind the specific number of 600?

[rancid delta]

Burst

10 procs of her projectile

At 60fps

Full burst makes it 60 rounds per, instead of 120

[pliant phoenix]

What’s her base ammo again? 300?

[mossy solstice]

you wouldn't be reloading on RRH off burst
you're fast charging
why even make suggestions on bare minimums

[pliant phoenix]

So need 100% max ammo on the dot if you can manage fully reloading just before RRH’s burst starts

[fresh linden]

easier auto

and manual

[rancid delta]

It's at least 600 so you can full fire during burst

[pliant phoenix]

Otherwise, yeah, if you want more breathing room, it has to be over 100%

[rancid delta]

4x ammo lines mean you're easily 1000+

I had 1k with 3 lines

[mossy solstice]

note that the prydwen skill page suggested 3x ammo
that is obviously beyond 600

[pliant phoenix]

It’s probably for if you got bad ammo %s, which easily can happen. 40% each

[rancid delta]

I guess it's assuming unoptimal % rolls

Yeah

[pliant phoenix]

You’d need 3 to hit 120% in such a case

MG doll gives ammo up too if you spring for one on her

[fresh linden]

yeah, you only need 120%

[solid fog]

my rapi has 820 bullets with 2 ammo rolls

[mossy solstice]

a passable max ammo line is 52.5%
3x of those is 157.5%
that's almost 800
again, why focus on 600 which is bare minimum
not a good suggestion to make

[fresh linden]

because above 600, ammo give less benefits

[pliant phoenix]

Maybe that’s the difference between Ideal and Essential then?

[fresh linden]

and atk/elemental are way better

[pliant phoenix]

Ideal is, I’m guessing, you got 85% aka black ammo and you close the 15% difference with doll and buffs

[rancid delta]

Yeah it's just a breakpoint

[pliant phoenix]

Like bastion cube

[fresh linden]

also, Prydwen use the mid-lv rolls stats, which you get almost by default when OL gears.

[mossy solstice]

idk why you assume you wouldn't reload mid burst with 600 ammo
what is your play style
how are you playing the game to achieve that

[rancid delta]

You reload pre burst

[dusty ocean]

yeah you would just get as much ammo as possible

any time spent reloading is lost dps

especially so during burst

[rancid delta]

Makes sense with Crown+Resilience

[pliant phoenix]

Yep if you’re going reload comp with RRH it’s less important

[fresh linden]

also, even with so many max ammo, other % stats are matters as well

so no, max ammo is not everything

[pliant phoenix]

Though I think RRH has actually very slow reload time? I still notice it with resil + crown and I thought it’d be snap reload

[fresh linden]

600 is best benefit like i said

[rancid shore]

Very slow, get alll 4 ammo

[mossy solstice]

we wouldn't suggest 6.92% chrg spd on Alice, do we?
same logic, don't suggest bare minimum to people asking questions

[rancid delta]

Don't argue with me, take it up with whoever was suggesting it idk what their argument was

Again it's just a breakpoint

[mossy solstice]

it's not an argument
just misleading to say 600 is enough

[fresh linden]

oh, ok, 601 then

[rancid delta]

Well yeah, it being a breakpoint doesn't mean you stop there, just means it lines up mechanically to have full fire during burst

[fresh linden]

how about 603?

surely 610 sounds better?

they put the bar because without it, any number just goes...

601, 603, 609, 680, etc

[mossy solstice]

if you refuse to understand why I'm saying this
and talk back in bad faith
than we can stop here

anyway

aim for 3x max ammo lines, each should be 50% or more

[rancid delta]

I'm not talking back in bad faith?

[mossy solstice]

I'm not talking to you

[rancid shore]

Aim for 200%+

[rancid delta]

Yeah I realized after

Carry on

[rancid shore]

[karmic night]

Id say ∞ ammo is a modest stopping point

[mossy solstice]

3x mid to high rolls is good
4x ELE 4x ATK mandatory
the last can even be crit for all I care
wtf is 600

[pliant phoenix]

Makes sense, it’s to avoid the cycles where RRH has to reload twice

[rancid delta]

That screengrab is saying 900

That makes sense

[pliant phoenix]

With enough ammo, it’s 1 reload per cycle or even 0 in some cycles

[mossy solstice]

so you cherry pick the first part of the sentence and ignore the rest

[rancid delta]

?

[mossy solstice]

not you

bruh

[rancid shore]

But when u reroll atk ed up and stop at a black or blue sth, u end up w a very low ammo roll and cant afford to fix ammo

[rancid delta]

I didn't say me, I'm asking what/who you're referring to

Chill

[fresh linden]

300 from Bastion cube

it add, not a must have

[rancid delta]

Mmm

[rancid shore]

No just get base ammo to 900

Then use resilience w crown

She reload damn slow

[fresh linden]

base to 900 need 3 lines

[rancid shore]

4 to be safe

You still going to fix atk and ed

[rancid delta]

The screengrab says 900 ammo with resilience crown

It's right there lol

[rancid shore]

And when u hit nice atk and ed u might have a bad low roll ammo

[mossy solstice]

read

[fresh linden]

ah yes, she gain 1 max round

[rancid shore]

2 rotation is huge, i dont meet it yet

[mossy solstice]

I have nothing else to say
thank god not everyone writes guides

[stray lance]

SR 15 gives more 29 ammo

[rancid delta]

Gacha reading comprehension moment

[fresh linden]

more like I didn't know she gain 1 round until now

[mossy solstice]

gacha players and reading comprehension
name a more unlikely duo

[fresh linden]

You know, they can just put Max Ammo under Attachable Projectiles.

One condition to another, then follow multiple similar condition.

[rancid delta]

It... is?

Wdym

It indicates the effect and conditions, the buffs, and the amount (max ammo)

[fresh linden]

'Attachable Projectiles'

[rancid delta]

Yeah because you can attach multiple over time, just only 1 per proc

[fresh linden]

Ok so 120 normal atks, lead to attach a grenade
after that, refund one round (300 ammo)

after the burst end

am I understand correctly?

[rancid delta]

I doubt that you are

It's not a refund, it's just a separate weapon with its own ammo

[rancid delta]

Like where is the 300 ammo part coming from

[fresh linden]

not really a seperate weapon as you don't see Rapipi change weapon.

[mossy solstice]

ok, to put it simply
MG and sticky
two weapons that fires at the same time
MG shoots 120, sticky shoots 1
during her B3 burst
MG shoots 60, sticky shoots 1
sticky max ammo = 1, so it shoots 1

get it?

[fresh linden]

here

600 shots during burst + 300 outside FB

[mossy solstice]

for units with built-in ammo refund
M.Priv S2, and XLud S1
here's what they look like

Rapi does not have ammo refund in her kit

[fresh linden]

that doesn't answer my question...

I know she doesn't have refund

[mossy solstice]

if you have a question, ask

what even are you confused about

[fresh linden]

where is the source of +300 ammo outside FB with resilence crown?

[rancid delta]

900 total ammo

[mossy solstice]

max ammo OL
that's why you aim for 3x

[rancid delta]

It's not coming out of thin air

It allows you to full fire during burst, and not have to reload after

[fresh linden]

" At least 3× Max Ammo for smooth rotations and ensuring she can fire 600 shots in one Full Burst + 300 extra outside FB"
WHO WROTE LIKE THIS?!

[rancid delta]

It's very clear

[mossy solstice]

bc of her fire rate, she will shoot 600 during the 10sec of full burst
you WANT ~300 more so she keeps shooting off burst

[fresh linden]

clear my ass, so the total is 900 max ammo for Essential.

[mossy solstice]

is the plus symbol difficult to understand?

[rancid delta]

You not understanding doesn't mean it isn't clear

[mossy solstice]

there's no full stop
it's the same sentence

[rancid delta]

Multiple people here understood it no problem

Take it easy

[fresh linden]

how much effort to put (assuming she have 900 max ammo)

so 900 is the best

[rancid delta]

They're explaining the why behind the ammo total

[mossy solstice]

there's no best
the more the better

[rancid delta]

It's an example of what that many lines can afford you, not the ideal/best

[mossy solstice]

and obviously, to make 300 base max ammo become ~900
you want to aim for ~200% max ammo OL

[rancid shore]

200%+

[mossy solstice]

base 100

mb

edited

[fresh linden]

max ammo black is 85%

[mossy solstice]

guess where that "3x max ammo" suggestion came from

[rancid shore]

sky mentioned it in his vid as last milestone to reach for it

[rancid delta]

I hit 1000 ammo with 3 good rolls

[rancid shore]

68

[fresh linden]

phew, I almost rerolled my 3rd max ammo because of misunderstand.

[rancid delta]

Not even blue/black either

[fresh linden]

Rapipi have 700 max ammo now

[rancid shore]

So with 3 lv11 u get more than 200%

[mossy solstice]

^pretty much

[rancid shore]

but u not gonna get all lv11

[fresh linden]

255% with 3 lines, at max

[mossy solstice]

base is 100%
you add that to what you got on OL
355% of 300 is over 1k

[rancid shore]

Give yourself a leeway by getting last ammo line

[mossy solstice]

what even is this convo

[fresh linden]

I mean total % from 3 lines, not count the base.

[rancid delta]

Yeah I'm kinda losing it ngl

Not to be rude but like

[mossy solstice]

but you will need to count the base to get the final max ammo
and it's enough

[fresh linden]

I was confusing about ammo from prydwen's review

[indigo plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fight-gif-10290761239041307136

[rancid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/amen-gif-23345354

[rancid shore]

I kinda get it, maybe the wording not very deliverable

[mossy solstice]

prydwen's downfall will be bc gacha gamers cant read so their written reviews don't get views

[fresh linden]

yeah, you shrink info, not wrong on meaning, but really need a good understand of the mechanic.

[rancid shore]

Like a picture of a team, with rapipi with like 960 ammo focused on, i would pay attention to those qol

[rancid delta]

Tbf I barely looked at the mechanic and I generally understand it

Idk what to say

[mossy solstice]

it's just adding percentages

[twin cedar]

imo you want 3x max ammo after that atk is better
(you want 4x ammo if you can afford though because there is no better stat)

[mossy solstice]

idk

[rancid delta]

Ele is pretty important

I feel like there's an argument of ele over atk maybe

Due to dual element

[twin cedar]

yes it's obvious

[mossy solstice]

I was expecting some high tier big brain theorycrafting here
not this

[rancid delta]

But yeah atk important

Kinda diluted tho no?

[twin cedar]

ele > ammo(up to 3) > atk > ammo >= everything

[rancid shore]

Its better to just use percent instead of lines, imagine got all 3 mid rolls ammo and cant meet breakpoint in any comp

Lol

[rancid delta]

Yeah same

[fresh linden]

I think 3 good max ammo are enough, get atk/elemental

[rancid delta]

Since it's research lab

[mossy solstice]

prydwen assumes you understand what a passable OL value is on each attribute
not everyone is going to read this page
https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/overload-gear-reroll

[fresh linden]

also have to count how many rocks you have to spend.

[mossy solstice]

whatever

I'm getting food

[small meteor]

Offense she want to b3 or b1

[rancid shore]

[mossy solstice]

while I already got 3x ammo 3x ELE 1x ATK on my Rapi
my Asuka is beyond bricked
so I'm fked either way on the upcoming windernia raid

[heavy wharf]

i use rapipi b1 for c33 hard

and it wasnt even close

so easy all the way

[rancid shore]

How does she deal w volley

[mossy solstice]

her B1 gives too little ATK to be worth it in arena
B3 or bench

[heavy wharf]

she doesn't

sbs deal with them

her cdr feels so good to play

i run rapipi crown rh sbs alice

never had to retry more than 3 times

[rancid delta]

Yeah avoiding cool down on 1st+2nd burst is nice

[rancid shore]

Sss hard mode ?

Damn where is computer

[heavy wharf]

for sure

[mossy solstice]

her 95% ATK during burst makes her great against deficit

[twin cedar]

no 95% as b1

[heavy wharf]

she allow you to funnel rh b1 to sbs

[rancid shore]

[mossy solstice]

I'm using RH B1 by default, should clarify

[rancid delta]

I wanna play around with RH Rapi

The SBS funnel sounds good

[heavy wharf]

D was strictly better than Liter only due to the cdr

and Rapipi provide even more, without restriction

[rancid delta]

Full charge gating it is the only "problem"

[mossy solstice]

no ramp up, and no full chrg nonsense
perfect CDR unit for campaign

[rancid delta]

And they're not a wasted slot in terms of damage

Pretty nutty

[mossy solstice]

Liter unironically gotten me killed more

[rancid shore]

And Rapi also eat RH attack buff

[heavy wharf]

yes

she provide dmg on top of the cdr and small buff herself

[rancid shore]

Ayo i did not think of it till now

This sounds fun

[heavy wharf]

i guess you already plushed all the stages

so you didnt get the satisfaction i had

never felt so good pushing campaign before

[rancid delta]

I for one am glad to have a Liter replacement this good

[heavy wharf]

especially defend or base stages

[rancid shore]

Yea the rh-D was good noe

There

[rancid delta]

Unfortunately I'm on Hard mode MW

[heavy wharf]

but now rapipi made that combo obsolete

cuz RH will provide the burst gen

[rancid delta]

And can only play on mobile temporarily

[mossy solstice]

if Rapi is bursting on B1 with Crown, eating Crown S1 as well

Indiv^

[rancid shore]

No she refined that combo

It keep bursting

[heavy wharf]

33 and 34 is a huge sbs check

Alice is just a bitch to buff her

[rancid shore]

There is a base stage in 34

That pierce unit reigns

No sbs found there

[heavy wharf]

though

34-6

i got lucky and pass it after 20 tries

[indigo plaza]

oh you beat MC

congrats

[rancid delta]

Do you feel Rapi isn't good in Campaign?

[mossy solstice]

are they not tho?
Asuka is just Alice
easier to build
easier to use
minus the fast charging

[rancid delta]

They clearly perform well

[mossy solstice]

if downfall is Asuka in SS bossing then I get it
but they're cracked in campaign
especially considering the frequency of fire weak in late game

[azure rock]

So do we know yet if Rapi outperforms rogue in cinder team, like in Mirror AI for example

[mossy solstice]

I have no clue in this aspect, what do the lowest clears use?

[rancid shore]

No. Electric synergy too strong and the boss require rouge

[rancid delta]

Interesting

[mossy solstice]

Cinderella being SSS is tricky tho
her normal atk really holds her back
and if against chapter end boss, that's just bossing

[azure rock]

Ic, but for other AI, she outperforms liter/dkw right

[rancid shore]

100% except Ultra

[mossy solstice]

ok good to know I'm doing good on my team comp

[rancid shore]

Ultra is flexible

[heavy wharf]

Cindy is awful vs stage unit

you better of core hit instead

[rancid delta]

Is the idea: mod clears mobs, Alice for stage end?

[mossy solstice]

how do you even invest in Liter

[rancid delta]

Situational based on stage type I'm sure but yeah

[mossy solstice]

it's just skills, yeah

dumb question

[rancid delta]

Yeah she doesn't scale outside of skills

[heavy wharf]

for fire stages, you can swap out asuka for Mod if your asuka is good enough

[rancid delta]

Just padding

[pliant phoenix]

Chat is hopping

[heavy wharf]

Asuka is just straight up better than Mod for normal stages

[pliant phoenix]

Was that guy’s confusion over attachment ammo cleared up?

[mossy solstice]

that's honestly true
Mod and Asuka are just AoE in different flavours
unless you abandon Alice and run AsukaMod

[rancid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/shoulder-shrug-i-don't-care-3d-emoji-3d-emoticon-too-cool-gif-14402884574736952589

[heavy wharf]

except Asuka has lower duration, can focus down elite, and provide burst gen

Asuka dont fuck up your burst rotation

[rancid shore]

Its just argument on different wavelength, they both right but they don’t understand what others trying to convey

[mossy solstice]

Asuka and Mod have similar burst gen, no?
Asuka from pierce, true
Mod has S1 add. dmg.
Asuka just peaks higher potentially

[rancid delta]

This is for minimum clear I'm assuming?

Gotcha

Yeah

[pliant phoenix]

You can just take it as Crown, Liter/DWife/Flex, RH, Mod, Naga

[mossy solstice]

bro is the guy from bilibili

[rancid delta]

Pure hypothetical

I can't imagine trying to compete for campaign leaderboards

I couldn't be assed

Yeah I get that much

When everything else is trivial for you

[rancid shore]

if u see nalaniko c7 rapipi, you know she is SSS

[rancid delta]

Makes sense

[mossy solstice]

while I'm not crazy enough to aim for lowest in server
I do like to friendly compete in my friend group for lowest power clears
campaign and tower

legit my comp in pilgrim tower is: Crown Mod ScarBS RH
no 5th
tower power increase not keeping up with sync upgrade

the one time I lost in pilgrim sunbather(?) is bc my Noah is too invested for pvp

[rancid delta]

My server has stopped pushing towers

2nd place stopped playing like 6 months ago

[heavy wharf]

my server had died since start of 2023

2nd hard campaign pusher is at c10

[rancid delta]

I'm up like almost 100 stages on Pilgrim

[mossy solstice]

my 2nd place is a whale but obvious auto player
so I'm winning

[rancid delta]

Jesus

[mossy solstice]

they took all 4 investment power
I took hard camapign and all 5 towers

[rancid delta]

Yeah same LOL, I think I maybe have like 1 or 2 invest

Feels kinda weird

[mossy solstice]

ok I don't want to sidetrack too much
how do people measure the AoE from attacks like RRH sticky, standard RL, and skills like LaplaceTr and Emilia?

[small meteor]

rapi where

[rancid delta]

No Rapi

Is their argument/point

[small meteor]

i was not reading the context

[rancid delta]

(Argument is a strong word, more a hypothetical)

[small meteor]

pull rapi

[mossy solstice]

Rapi might swap with Mod
but that specific comp wants Mod
Mod FB makes it so RH 2nd burst can also be with Crown immediately

[rancid delta]

That's fair enough

[marble swan]

read

[indigo plaza]

[high lotus]

why do you need 15 sec b3 for first burst if you're rh b1 bursting

oh right b2 has some delay unless you use naga b2

eh, that's never been much of a problem for me

[indigo plaza]

depends on the stage

but i haven’t used mod in campaign for a long time

maybe on 1-2 weird stages with glasses

33-34 were just alice sbs all the way

[marble swan]

look at those schizo after 3 days

[indigo plaza]

and then now with glasses, there’s rrh

cleared that stupid ass base def stage with glasses using rrh+crown peeling glasses quickly

[rancid delta]

What happened?

[indigo plaza]

ask again in 3 days duh

[marble swan]

you will know

something must be learnt through real life experience

[pallid crown]

Guys

I'm in chapter 32 hard synchro 442

Is MC an easy boss right?

[marble swan]

goodbye world