[Maiden: Ice Rose] New Unit Megathread

[buoyant mirage]

Clarifying this, she gains MP once for team reaching Burst Stage 1 if she had 0 MP, and she gains MP every time team executes Full Burst unless it's her own burst.

• She buffs the team each time she gains MP, the buff lasts 10 seconds

When she uses her own burst, she drops to 0 MP instead of regaining any MP.

• She buffs herself only, the buff lasts 10 seconds.

So I think you got it backwards, basically

[minor geyser]

so is it better to run cindy sanis xmaiden with her bursting last for elec weak?

[lucid dirge]

anis goes to ein team

[boreal moon]

i think you put sanis with ein

for elec weak

[buoyant mirage]

Depends on gearing scaling. I was only able to use Scope Lock to assess. In Scope Lock, it didn't matter much which you used her as - main burster, or winggirl with last-burst-of-fight

[minor geyser]

i thought so too, im confused about people saying to save 12 mp

[buoyant mirage]

She did great in both ways and the fact she doesn't buff team as often if she uses her burst, made them do roughly the same damage in the end

[round canopy]

I'd imagine that we want to pair Rouge + Blanc + Cinderella + Maiden IR together to save Crown + S. Anis + Ein for another team

[buoyant mirage]

But Scope Lock murdered everybody's gear and cubes

[tawdry night]

Yea theres not even some bonus when releasing 12 mp anyway

[boreal moon]

it's for meme strat

or for non elec weak maybe

[buoyant mirage]

I tested neutral element as well, she's the same there (albeit no benefit from Ele Dmg)

[boreal moon]

although non elec weak, xmaiden straight up benched probably

[buoyant mirage]

Basically until someone reports that she's broken or mid with gearing, looks like you can safely comp her as you please as long as she's with at least one other Electric dmg dealer

Cinderella looking mighty compatible here

[round canopy]

I wouldn't be surprised if we got a couple of bruiser 'partners' for Cinderella + Rouge for each element in the future, and Maiden IR just happens to be the Electric partner

In the same way that Tove + B. Soda form the core of the Shotgun team, and we swap out B. Soda's partner based on the matchup

[buoyant mirage]

So does her Continous Hits all crit if she crits?

[lucid dirge]

fire just put 2B in tia-naga team

[buoyant mirage]

Burst last at end of fight playstyle would mean crit mald territory if the whole thing only needs one crit check at burst time

[lilac flax]

it should be separate crit each time

since it's separate numbers right?

not one big number that shows up

[boreal moon]

lul

have fun with that ig

or you have to run volume with level 10 burst

[grizzled frigate]

Maiden is shit?

[misty yew]

Hmm, so pair her with Cinders and SAnis, you only need to use MIR's burst at last burst to add some more dmg to overall total dmg.

the test show does not make much difference when she bursts per cycle or save it.

[grizzled frigate]

Wait, I'm confused on s2

So that 500% nuke is just once per battle

[buoyant mirage]

100 pulls for 4 Ice Maidens, now she can step on me chill

[young locust]

im only pulling for the ass

[boreal moon]

buddy's pulling for something that 100 other units also have

[young locust]

i want every ass

[fallen rune]

based

[shy storm]

show her mlb screen

[buoyant mirage]

The lobby one?

[shy storm]

ye duh

[buoyant mirage]

Seems like a rather stupid lobby skill cutscene, unfortunately

She floats there with her mouth open, nonstop

[misty yew]

wait what?

why don't they us the frame she cast ice

[tawdry night]

Yea should have been when she flying and showing her front side

[misty yew]

it so cool

[acoustic drum]

Time to put in my sausage in that mouth nonstop

[robust robin]

her hat took like 50% of her icon wtf

[misty yew]

why this frame is the idle frame...

so blame

[daring sand]

should i mlb xlud or maiden

[misty yew]

XLud

[shy storm]

mid, one copy is enough

[daring sand]

hmmm

[robust robin]

also this girl is a better support than i imagine

[daring sand]

it is not even water-weak raid

but yeah

lb2 xlud atm

maybe mlb for the wallpaper

[misty yew]

The idle screen should be

or

it looks way better

[shy storm]

I just remembered my xLud is core 2 from last winter

Gonna wait to get guillo first before trying mlb xlud

[misty yew]

XLud also have higher value as she is the meta water

water is so bad, her value become so high

Electric have many meta, which make maiden value decrease

[daring sand]

how is 1 copy mica

im micaless

[boreal moon]

good

[floral flicker]

im gonna get 1 mica before 1 guillo

[misty yew]

she can be skipped if you want, one copy is enough

[floral flicker]

is mica banner out?

[misty yew]

yes

xlud also

[boreal moon]

xmica saw play in the solo raid she was in because of her dispel

[misty yew]

which boss again?

[boreal moon]

if SU decides to add annoying bosses who need dispels

xmica is there

[floral flicker]

i want for overcock dispel

tbh

[boreal moon]

chatterbox

[floral flicker]

that oc s1

made me realise

[misty yew]

ah yes

[floral flicker]

they can repeat that bs

[boreal moon]

with the stacking missile debuff

[misty yew]

but yeah, mica is a niche

[young locust]

woops

[floral flicker]

[young locust]

great luck

[daring sand]

this could have been x2 xlud

[floral flicker]

ok the rest is for shitodine

[buoyant mirage]

It's actually not bad if you only want the skill cutscene to play out, and ignore her afterwards. Still, I don't like it at all because I prefer small motion lobby scenes

[floral flicker]

it was supposed to be xanne fund lol

i grinded 9 chapters of hard campaign for xanne to not rerun

[buoyant mirage]

MLB for me was purely collectible, RIP any other joy.. now going to put her actual ass in the lobby. That's sexier than the skill

[daring sand]

maiden burst lobby should be her getting stuck on a chest with that ass out

i would go for mlb if that was the case

[icy forge]

Guys im not bricked if im xmicaless xtrashotineless and xmaidenless right

[daring sand]

u aren't bricked

u are the brick

[buoyant mirage]

[uncut crystal]

What’s her dmg looking like

[daring sand]

"too" revealing my ass

could be more

[minor geyser]

they designed her without the bodysuit in mind

but you know, censorship

[daring sand]

unforgivable

yeah

no bodysuit would be the right thing to do

[spice ferry]

She has the same third B3 role as SAnis, how are the electric teams now?

[daring sand]

Ein s.anis
Cindy maidrose

[floral flicker]

agree^

[paper adder]

What does ein do

[inner escarp]

Wait, does she need Flora?

[boreal moon]

pew pew pew

[obsidian garden]

so whats up with the mp stacks, says up to 12

[spice ferry]

Double electric team, got it

[obsidian garden]

how to get more

[boreal moon]

yes it's maxed at 12

you can't

so spend the mp at 12

[round canopy]

She's just one of the highest DPS Electric units right now. There's nothing unique to her in particular; just her niche

[golden sigil]

I havent test anything yet

Let me try hold nuke route

Feel like neutral is still SAnis Cindy

[round canopy]

Barring when Ein inevitably gets outclassed by the next top dog Electric Attacker, at which point she'll probably get moved to the dedicated True Damage team (whenever that ends up materializing)

[inner escarp]

So you run 1/2/3/3/3 team and only use Maiden's burst when you have a lot of MP?

[daring sand]

20 rolls on xlud banner => got dolla
10 rolls on mica banner => got cocoa the worse cleanser

Im cooked

[round canopy]

Yes. You save her burst until the end, or at least until you hit 12-ish MP

[boreal moon]

the debate whether burst xmaiden normally or save until 12 mp is still ongoing

[bold solar]

Sauce

[inner escarp]

I see

[bold solar]

Giselle not here damn

[boreal moon]

but in the context of solo raid with 25 units, and 20 of them having to burst, maybe xmaiden normally is better

and then just build your team around that

[daring sand]

@dry yacht

Sauce

[bold solar]

@unkempt verge there true dmg DPS for you

[daring sand]

Oh it doesn't work like that

[tame veldt]

$$$

[dry yacht]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012288696336273428/1070326844991225876/credit_card.png

[tame veldt]

giselle is here

[bold solar]

$$$

[dry yacht]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012288696336273428/1070326844991225876/credit_card.png

[bold solar]

Wth

[golden sigil]

Can imagine they release 3 electric raids in a row

But surely next is Iron

[bold solar]

They make Cindy enjoyer feel good

Why not

[daring sand]

Nah

[boreal moon]

they're rewarding us people who spent 100 rocks on cindy

[daring sand]

They have data that a lot ppl skipped rouge ein.
They decide to teach f2p ppl a FOMO lesson

[boreal moon]

[obsidian garden]

oh if you dont use her ult, she gains a stack of mp after every burst

[nimble violet]

I hope next year won't have electric raid ever again

4 times this year

[buoyant mirage]

At start, 0 MP.

• Because at 0 MP, will gain 1 MP when team reaches Burst Stage 1 (fills burst meter does the trick)
• Because at 1 MP or more, will gain 1 MP when team enters Full Burst
  • But if Ice Maiden used her burst to do this, then she is at 0 MP and will not gain any
• Reset back to beginning, repeat

If you never use her burst, it’s possible to stack it to 12 in a 3 minute fight

Then do one burst to unload it all

[naive oar]

the play is to use maiden on last rotation

[buoyant mirage]

She’s fine in either way, they appeared to have balanced her for constant bursting or one last burst approach

[bold solar]

Premature burst is prohibited

[naive oar]

777 0 ele line lol

[buoyant mirage]

It’s going to come down to how she scales with gear and cubes to cement which role she’s better at, but it’s nowhere like Modernia who basically should always be the winggirl in raids

[nimble violet]

Should we QS? Or just let bot play her

[buoyant mirage]

From the looks of this performance, because Summer Anis is clearly stronger, you might as well switch their positions

I’ll probably avoid building Ice Maiden and just let her languish as a halfassed winggirl

[daring sand]

4OL skill 444 will do

[golden sigil]

XMaiden is ele niche

SAnis still get the role in neutral

[daring sand]

i had to use egg last raid

[weak prairie]

From SS tier bossing to S-A tier

[buoyant mirage]

So short version

[opaque laurel]

Shit

I just gave her the doll

Oh well

[buoyant mirage]

You need Ice Maiden to have stronger basic attacks as often as you can?
Make her burst as often as you can.

[opaque laurel]

One more for the toolbox

[buoyant mirage]

You need Ice Maiden to buff team as often as she can (on Full Burst)?
Make her not burst for as long as you can.

[golden sigil]

Dont use doll uet

Yet

Next update has treasure

[opaque laurel]

[valid furnace]

i know we're here for her ele anyways
but this is updated neutral damage sheet

how's testing so far?

burst with maiden or sanis?

[daring sand]

maiden is worth dolls tho

only 1 left

[valid furnace]

she's prob ele raid niche

so no?

just throw her the purple doll lvl 0 and call it a day

[daring sand]

yeah

i will give her a doll if i get some from solo raid

swimming in SR dolls

[valid furnace]

bruh

just give her the lvl 0 purple

bro saving for nikke 3

[daring sand]

just be unlucky when merging R doll

[daring sand]

i even consider giving dolls to maiden, so it isn't a hoarding

[valid furnace]

that's hoarding

if u dont hoard you wouldnt even consider it

you just do it

[daring sand]

wdym. i consider it because i have 1 single R doll RL

would go for it without hesitate if i got 3

exactly, SR dolls are worthless to me

i even reroll away those x60 mileage sometimes

[inner escarp]

Does re-entering burst 1 give her extra stacks?

[buoyant mirage]

A fellow doll hoarder, me like

[golden sigil]

4/4/4 no OL

[boreal moon]

save burst or burst normally?

[golden sigil]

ofcourse save

[lilac flax]

What good is a doll when we have no at to raise them

Damn Summer Anis just went all the way from SR5 to SR 9 before finally getting a crit success on her way to SR10.

[sage grove]

Save for 10 stack nuke?

[tame veldt]

12 stack

[mystic peak]

would we know the new year banners before this one ends?

[tame veldt]

no

there's at least 1 filler banner in between

[boreal moon]

no time for that

this event ends on the 24th

and they usually put ny banner before ny itself

[buoyant mirage]

Dang you almost took down MC, that looks good unless you previously cleared it and she made it worse for you

Still, 4/4/4 and no good OLs

[brisk scaffold]

Wait, is hoarding dolls a bad thing?

[hidden quest]

idk but I do that

[daring sand]

Being poor is a bad thing

[hidden quest]

I don't give anyone a doll unless i have at least 2 of them

[lucid dirge]

i just put R doll that i use in PvE and PvP

R0 is da way

[warm galleon]

Neutral element, but shooting range isn’t friendly to SG right?

Xmaid 7% atk vs sanis 36% atk

[spring siren]

No reason to use her in neutral comps

Better mix her as Cindy buffer

[misty yew]

so here is how you play MIR: 3 B1, two of them rotate the burst cycle while MIR charges her MP.
At the last burst cycle of bossing, you release MIR's MP 12 burst to increase total dmg (or release whenever her MP reach 12)

From testing, max MP burst deal dmg similar to normal burst method.

[fringe whale]

does she get 2 stacks

with re-enter b1's

[humble rune]

you do know there's a channel named #show-off right?

do it before Snake slap your ass

[misty yew]

only after she use her Burst, otherwise, she gain 1 MP per cycle

[boreal moon]

she can't

b1 +1 mp is only if she has 0 mp

[misty yew]

you can reach full stack of MP in a 3 mins battle.

that also assuming team burst gen is not shit.

[humble rune]

did you just assume my burst gen

[misty yew]

yes, your burst gen is as good as DWife

Dupes are optional yeah, not a must have.

[languid lotus]

What, she doesn't max out xMaiden's S1 HP in 12 seconds?

@fluid patrol was freaking out over her on that alone

[misty yew]

nope

no one can charge MIR's MP beside herself

[languid lotus]

Heh. Meant the HP.

[placid hollow]

Hey so, how good is maiden? (No anis player)

[spring siren]

fast test

maiden off burst is stronk af

[stoic raft]

is it just 1 copy or MLB recommended?

[spring siren]

mlb

7/10/10

[dreamy vessel]

But I thought she was just a sanis rebranded

[warped siren]

so xaiden is another 101010 unit?

[spring siren]

xaiwho?

[potent aurora]

Still lose against SAnis

[spring siren]

[fluid patrol]

OL?

[spring siren]

my maiden has garbage ols

40 ele 60 ammo

no atk

[fluid patrol]

Good enough.

[spring siren]

anjd no rocks xd

you burst with maiden once

after 12 stacks

it makes her the best off burst nikke

[dreamy vessel]

40 ele and 60 ammo are like good enough tier

[spring siren]

no for top 100

I need at least 80

yeah maiden stronk

[minor geyser]

in a normal burst setting, will she burst with 2 or 3 mp?

[spring siren]

I didn't test

later, busy again

[minor geyser]

okee

[fluid patrol]

2

I think

[spring siren]

the synergy in electric comps is wild now

[thorn crane]

could you please test this with SAnis instead of XMaiden

I'd like to know who would be the better off burst B3 support for Cindy/Ein

between XMaiden and SAnis

[spring siren]

sure, im busy rn xd

[thorn crane]

np

[minor geyser]

yeah i think so too, at 2mp > she bursts > only 2 arrow things

[fluid patrol]

Sanis

100%

[dreamy crypt]

Exia.T, S.Anis, Ein
Cindy, Rogue, Maiden, B2, Filler

[fluid patrol]

Sanis always better than XMaiden

[hidden quest]

realistically would we still use sanis off burst or give xmaiden the job and put sanis in a new team

[fluid patrol]

No

[potent aurora]

If SAnis is better, then isn't she should go with Cindy instead and give Ein XMaiden

[fluid patrol]

XMaiden can be good solo dps

SAnis not so much

[dreamy vessel]

Spreading out is always better imo

[thorn crane]

I wanna know best MC 32 comp basically
so I can invest in XMaiden if necessary

[spring siren]

yeah thing is xmaiden solo is good

[hidden quest]

so what would i put in a separate team

[fluid patrol]

For next raid?

XMaiden and Cindy will go togethe

SAnis and Ein

[hidden quest]

for an electric weak raid ye

[errant gull]

Her ass so gking big it cover entire lower screen pls fix su

[limpid condor]

@fluid patrol so how is Maiden?

[gritty whale]

Needs a coat

[dreamy vessel]

imagine your face being stuck between those cheeks

[errant gull]

Jesus christ real buff

[spring siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1313845165743673417/1313866798772387971/lv_0_20241204205715.gif

[errant gull]

She went to korea and got that shiet up

[fluid patrol]

Hsvent invested yet

[limpid condor]

Can give me a TLDR

I'll see what to do

[hasty grove]

As I see it rn:
Maiden can’t be primary dps because of the MP stacking.
So main electric team will still be cind sanis but instead exia will use maiden
Ein can be paired with RH + grave + xlud or sth

[fluid patrol]

What rotation is this

[hasty grove]

Slotting exia will be kinda hard but can find use somewhere

[fluid patrol]

Try Roige Crown Cindy SAnis XMaiden

For Mc AI

[dreamy vessel]

uuuh mate there are multiple peeps right up a few posts sayin that maiden can be a good solo dps @hasty grove

[hasty grove]

Whatever it is, her burst won’t deal too much damage due to it being dependant on the MP stacking

And the burst itself resets it

[limpid condor]

The way I see it, she can work standalone

But better with being a buffer

[spring siren]

cindy, sanis x6 both then maiden x1 and cindy last one

[thorn crane]

summer body vs xmas food body

makes sense to me

[errant gull]

My pelvis

[stuck mango]

this is what nikke gg says

[opaque laurel]

Her chin is so sharp, they had to block it

[inner escarp]

Not just the thighs but the boobs too. Thank you SU

[fluid patrol]

Bro

That is wrong but ok

[fluid patrol]

Her arena is good lmao

Her campaign is wack

[spring siren]

sanis better for Ein

[thorn crane]

thank you

[spring siren]

and maiden or sanis are almost equal for Cindy

[thorn crane]

so no need to invest XMaiden for MC32

[fluid patrol]

Bruh ure trolling la

Campaign obvious

Ein better

[sage bramble]

[fluid patrol]

And SAnis

Maiden excels outside campaign

Her campaign is shit

[thorn crane]

Ein is needed to break slippers

I know that alrdy

[fluid patrol]

Nono

Cp deficit

Stat deficit

Def up

[thorn crane]

my question was between XMaiden and SAnis as buffer

[fluid patrol]

Kinda obvious

Ofc ATK buffer wins

Its campaign

Also reload spee

But can try both la

If ur XMaiden has 50k more cp

[thorn crane]

ok then you couldve answered sooner if it was that obvious

[fluid patrol]

Might be bette

[thorn crane]

weirdo

[fluid patrol]

Wow ok

[fluid patrol]

Tbh Im not so sure

Thats why

But im 75% leaning to SAnis

[spring siren]

https://tenor.com/view/cook-cooking-kitchen-fire-hot-gif-17241904593596478119

[fluid patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/let-him-cook-cook-cookin-big-wok-gif-141999319614473134

[buoyant mirage]

Inflation is real

[errant gull]

She scammed us in her banner and use those gem for some botox bum lift

[buoyant mirage]

Scam? What happened?

Oh

From the people who had bad luck pulling her

[obsidian remnant]

how much for maiden skills

[golden sigil]

Cleared with 4/4/4 no OL Maiden

[thorn crane]

will XMaiden be used for Behemoth 34?

[spring siren]

7/10/10

[warped siren]

is mlb enough for maiden?

[thorn crane]

2lb

[fluid patrol]

Too Invested

[errant gull]

Can her burst crit?

If yes i got dream setup

[fluid patrol]

How much max ammo on ur Crown

[fluid patrol]

Yes

[golden sigil]

728

Imagine calling 4/4/4 no OL is too invested

[fluid patrol]

I guess I need 1 more max ammo on Crown

@errant gull

1 sucks

I feel like she reloads too much

Or does it rly make that diff huh

Where was the 2x ammo rec coming from @golden sigil

[golden sigil]

wdym

I just slapped 4 rocks on Crown then leave her alone

[fluid patrol]

BUT I ONLY HAVE 1 AMMO

I rmb Sin trying to get max ammo on my Tia and OL and gave up

[errant gull]

Ye and the next nikke will change your mind on crown ammo

[fluid patrol]

[errant gull]

Just

Just

Stop coping

[boreal moon]

who's sin? your pilot?

[fluid patrol]

Like

U want me to get ammo

Or just deal with it

[errant gull]

Just forget about it wtf

U dont have

Priority?

[fluid patrol]

[errant gull]

[fluid patrol]

Rip my rocks

[golden sigil]

blame your self

I blame my self everyday for not being lucky

[humble rune]

can we break fin with Maiden?

[spring siren]

[cloud wigeon]

pls tell me we finally have a good unit for elysion tower

[fluid patrol]

SS tier unit

For bossing

Borderline SS.5

[cloud wigeon]

definitely usable for tower right?

[golden sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRDHOgweks

[fluid patrol]

Whaling flex

Also rouge 1 star

Interesting

[errant gull]

Time to find someone who stuck and MC and Behemoth who has invested Maiden

Looking forward to it

[spring siren]

Gimme max core cindy

And sanis

Oh wait Sanis is over

[fluid patrol]

I got 2 LB

Good

Will 2 LB Maiden too

Thats just how it goe

Fax I got to s8 just enuf with 2 LB

I think 3stars better

[dreamy vessel]

can barely s6 mc with this realistically invested team

[fluid patrol]

Sync

[dreamy vessel]

for the f2p/low spenders out there she's worth it

[fluid patrol]

Yes

Very

Highly

[spring siren]

I'm only buying skins

[fluid patrol]

Brick if no pull

[spring siren]

[dreamy vessel]

my stash is 100k because I only roll 1 copy each banner

i'm 2poor

[spring siren]

I'm skipping most of banners

[fluid patrol]

377k

[lilac flax]

Shouldn't Ein and XMaiden swap places?

XMaiden wants the Rouge HP buff for her final rotation nuke

[dreamy vessel]

you are right, gonna try again

[lilac flax]

If using auto-burst easiest setup is:

S.Anis or Ein/Crown/Cindy/Rouge/XMaiden.

Manual the first rotation to use Cindy 1st, then hit auto, then manual final rotation to use XMaiden

[errant gull]

@fluid patrol thought? Im thinking rolling ele first slot here, i got ammo somewhere else (2 ammo potential)

[fluid patrol]

Reroll all lah idk

Whos this

U aim 3 line or 2 line

Want cs or no

[errant gull]

Just give me your instinct

[lilac flax]

Maiden doesn't even care about Max Ammo lol, it's all about that nuke at the end

[fluid patrol]

She does

As dps

Just not shown here

Cus shes support here

Her dps side is not here

Something like

[lilac flax]

She even has a special animation for when using 12 Mana

Support with end of fight nuke seems the intended use

Mast probably

Did we end up getting the math on how much her burst scales with ATK vs HP?

I saw someone confirming RH buffs it

[fluid patrol]

I know

@errant gull

[spring siren]

Fuck I forgot to pull for flora

[fluid patrol]

Cooking

[spring siren]

[errant gull]

Im not your girlfriend dont play push and pull with me

[fluid patrol]

Thats a pretty legit cook

[fluid patrol]

But ure my friend 😦

Best nikke friend with Noir and Einmeister

[fluid patrol]

Nonono

Theres a point

With that cook

@outer onyx hey uh

[spring siren]

Nah I wanted her nothing special

[fluid patrol]

[spring siren]

[rocky shoal]

Max core S.anis and C1 Cindy here, but I am still at ch27

[errant gull]

Ohh

The cc development might get interesting

If no sanis then no rh

Could just be

Pure electric trio

[spring siren]

Fuck rh

[fluid patrol]

Oh wait u maxed Flora u bricked urself @outer onyx

Cant try my cook

[misty yew]

so MIR have total dps higher than Ein?

[glacial flax]

...

why is final bursting maiden not higher dmg for cindy

maiden normal bursting with off-burst sanis is more dmg for cindy than sanis normal bursting and maiden final bursting

[gritty whale]

because maiden buff doesnt work on cindy if u dont burst

like the burst dmg of cindy

it only applies on b1 if ur 0 stack

otherwise its after cindy bursts (on full burst)

no?

[glacial flax]

isn't the full burst replenish the trigger for team buff

so if maiden bursts, cindy doesn't get buff

[gritty whale]

ya but it snapshots cindy burst without the buff

because its on full burst

[glacial flax]

still cindy autos

final burst maiden should have almost all cindy autos during burst buffed

[gritty whale]

ya but missing a large part of her dmg in the buff

when u get the b1 version u get full cindy inside of the buff

[glacial flax]

b1 gain doesn't trigger team buff

[wild nebula]

If maiden didnt burst in that run, who wouldve bursted?

[glacial flax]

sanis

[glacial flax]

that doesn't trigger

[gritty whale]

doesnt that trigger?

[wild nebula]

Recover and replenlish

Different

[gritty whale]

wat kinda dumb shiftup cook is that

[glacial flax]

sanis buffs cindy full time, but maiden should go from half time to full time buffing cindy when she goes final bursting

but she doesn't

cindy dmg basically the same

cindy lost 1 burst when maiden final bursting, hence the slight dmg drop

[wild nebula]

But final burst wouldve been cindys right?

[glacial flax]

yeah

hence normal bursting cindy did a bit more

prob due to that extra burst

and yeah I triple checked cindy buffs

cindy/sanis bursting has cindy with both sanis and maiden buffs

maiden bursting has cindy with only sanis buffs

elec-weak

lemme just do cindy sanis cindy sanis vs cindy maiden cindy maiden

3 bursts each

[ashen crow]

is weirdge damage things happening?

[glacial flax]

3 bursts each

wut

this time it worked fine

cindy more dmg

is it really just losing cindy extra burst that cost so much

lemme do maiden burst second to last (to replace sanis)

[wild nebula]

Time to mald 14 burst

[glacial flax]

yeah

highest dmg of the 3

maiden second to last burst (bursting instead of sanis)

cindy dmg still about the same as cindy/maiden

[wild nebula]

I think that makes sense also cus if u do burst her very last she overcaps mp too right?

[glacial flax]

now cindy is same burst amount, but gaining more often maiden buff results in.... same dmg

nah there's no mp cap

[wild nebula]

Isnt it 12?

[glacial flax]

I thought it's softcap 12 since that's about how many bursts you can fit

[wild nebula]

Hard cap

Thats what it says in her skill desc

[glacial flax]

oh

they updated it

yeah maybe it did waste 1 burst, didn't notice

that means last cindy burst doesn't get maiden buff when maiden normal bursting

wait no

it doesn't matter for my situation

I'm still confused on why maiden buffing cindy almost every burst instead of every other burst results in the same dmg

lemme swap her out for someone else

inb4 maiden buff doesn't work

[warm galleon]

Use xmaid burst when she is stacking 11 mp. My xmaid has less ele and atk than my Cindy but her burst with 11mp can easily outdamage my Cindy’s burst

[glacial flax]

3 bursts each

yeah no maiden buff is working

is it just... weak?

1.4x multi should be a lot bigger though

even if it doesn't affect cindy burst

[wild nebula]

How much ele u got on cindy?

[glacial flax]

scope lock

so should be 0

[wild nebula]

Oh

Well still 10% i guess

From innate

[glacial flax]

3 bursts each neutral

seems about right

maiden caster atk buff making almost no diff

[dreamy vessel]

good job delivering ingrid, now repeat for the next year
constantly

[glacial flax]

second to last bursting again

cindy did way more

crit diff somehow?

it's still only 8% more cindy dmg compared to cindy/maiden bursting

[floral flicker]

Burst with Maiden is better

[glacial flax]

ig it just doesn't help that much

[floral flicker]

I wanted to tell you that xmaiden is better for MC Mr facundo found out that

[glacial flax]

lemme try ein

3 bursts each

yeah not a cindy issue

it's just a very minor buff diff whether maiden is bursting or not ig

[errant gull]

Facundo is AI
No electric book in Texas is story

[glacial flax]

she's just another sanis I think

[floral flicker]

So Ein is not replaceable? I think that's not true

I can semi confidently say that since Cindy is hitting super duper omega hard you can use xmidden to win

Funneling into Cindy is the win condition

Cindy the 🐐🐐🐐

[errant gull]

What u think and whats fact are different , now show me a story clear MC with similar cp without Ein

[floral flicker]

That

Already exists, no?

With Cindy anis Naga?

[errant gull]

Thats ExiaT

ExiaT is like some rare shiet

[glacial flax]

4 cindy 3 ein 1 maiden

[fluid patrol]

[glacial flax]

it works if it means your best dps gets extra burst

just have her burst instead of your worse dps

[fluid patrol]

First Full Burst: 1 -> 2
Second Full Burst : 2 -> 3

Eleventh Full Burst: 11 -> 12
Twelfth Full Burst: You must use Maiden's Burst here.
Thirteenth Full Burst: 1 -> 2

[errant gull]

Why this nikke rotation is so complicated

I thought her botox butt is complicated enough

[glacial flax]

4 cindy 4 ein

eh...

maiden buffs more than sanis here

plus personal dmg

[glacial flax]

that's if you can squeeze out a thirteenth

if your burst cycle is that your strongest dps has the last burst, you don't maiden burst there

odd number burst

you maiden burst on even number burst (to replace your worse dps burst)

not last burst, just last burst of your worse dps

whether that's second to last or last burst depends on cycles

[spring siren]

Mr Facundo is fucked, I spent everything even those monthly boxes

[errant gull]

I spent 2500 selection box this am to get electric books

[formal junco]

Hmm seem i'm going to hold to spend rock to Maiden with this unclear how great she is. And to prevent wasted rock if the next raid is not going to be water boss.

[fluid patrol]

you can

if u cant get 13

ure either very bad or ure on phone

just use Maiden burst when it is at 11 stacks

or 12 stacks

otherwise no team buff

gotta confirm this

[glacial flax]

well I'm autoing it in mock to be fair

[fluid patrol]

time to go to the R A N G E

and see if it still buffs at max stacks

will be ahrd

need Grave

it still buffs

[misty yew]

also, to reach full stack, your comp must not be lazy on burst gen

[gentle tiger]

Should i ticket maiden and ludmilla or use pulls i have about 5 10 pulls and 1000 tickets

[sudden plaza]

tickets best saved for pilgrim banners

unless you will miss the limited you want on the last day of banner

[hasty grove]

https://youtu.be/mitCjMOcBjQ?feature=shared

[wanton fjord]

whats her burst gen around between ?

which nikke

[gentle tiger]

Ye im pretty sure i only gonna have enough pulls dor one character

[fluid patrol]

what game mode

[wanton fjord]

pvp

[fluid patrol]

slightly above clip SG if im correct

[wanton fjord]

same as laplace?

[fluid patrol]

above a little

[stuck mango]

so skip then

[scenic marsh]

What should I change and is Ade a good B2 for this team?

[stuck mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1103351960490487849/1207939114352123904/togif.gif

[errant gull]

https://youtu.be/mitCjMOcBjQ?feature=shared

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRDHOgweks

And burst with Maiden last if u have finish building her

The 2 vids are unbuilt but the idea is there

For AI Mirror Container only

[arctic veldt]

what is best option here?

[errant gull]

These ideas valid so far

Abit of tweak here and there but those are solid

[arctic veldt]

triple burst...

[rocky shoal]

So, for whenever the next electric raid happens ||||what would you guys say are the best teams?

[ember kettle]

So does she replace ein for full elec team or just a side grade?

Or a definitive upgrade if your Ein's OL lines arent too great

[errant gull]

Overall impression is definitely an upgrade, u dont need to hyper optimize 2 dps but can spread the pressure to 3 instead

Only for AI MC, only

[ember kettle]

But a hyper invested ein (outside of dupes, and just OL) is still probably better right

But thats ofc rarer

[ember kettle]

What about raw dmg, like on shooting range for example

[valid furnace]

if u have hyper invest Ein then just throw sanis out

simple

[ember kettle]

So xmaiden is just a way better supp for cinder?

[errant gull]

No shooting range here, its just not good enough

I mean for me

[ember kettle]

Good enough metric u mean?

[errant gull]

U still need to keep Ein around since MC in story still a threat that Xmaiden has not proven worthy

Yet

[ember kettle]

Wdym by not good enough, that team with xmaiden does less net dmg

[valid furnace]

maiden is electric specific support

better than sanis

[ember kettle]

Or that shooting range is bad measurement

[ember kettle]

Only for supporting cinder or ele units in general

[valid furnace]

for cindy probably for ein too

[ember kettle]

Ic ic

[floral flicker]

Guys
Just

Hyperfocus Cinderella and use s.anis maiden to funnel damage into Cindy

Easy S9 AI

[fluid patrol]

Sanis better in campaign

[errant gull]

Could use it to showcase around but real application show different importance of each nikke
For example:
people showcase quency better than Xlud in shooting range. However, real application on Harvester, Xlud is the core pick not quency

[ember kettle]

Makes sense

[ember kettle]

Yea that makes sense

I was asking if the raw dmg is higher though but ig it doesnt matter

[floral flicker]

Maiden is okayish in campaign, nothing special

Her job is like, simple
Burst gen for Elysion tower and nuking boss
That's it

Phantom tier

[fluid patrol]

No, its similar.

In range too tbh.

Or so I found out XLud is stronger.

Actually.

Just way more stable.

Scales off ATK really well.

I think if we compare weak XLud vs weak XLud.

Chances are we are gonna find QEQ stronger.

Investment bias is real.

But if we compare strong XLud vs strong QEQ, Xlud will win because of higher scalability.

[errant gull]

No not that

[fluid patrol]

Plus XLud makes enemy take more damage so thats that.

[errant gull]

I tocus on what they do

Without xlud u cant break the head easily

Without xlud quency will fall apart

[ember kettle]

Xmaidens dmg output isnt too crazy though right, so dupes is prob not that worth it

Ur only bursting on the 12th rotation anyway

[fluid patrol]

Xlud is still a stronger DPS

[fluid patrol]

Wrong

[floral flicker]

Umm so, pvp

[fluid patrol]

Thats only for intercept

LOL

In raid her Burst will be used

Every other rotation

[ember kettle]

Every rot?

That its available

[floral flicker]

Her basics + S2 = 750% damage
Attacker basics = 250%, so ×3 of an attacker

Basic atk = .66 that of an attacker, so 2/3 of an attacker

Xmaiden basics = 3× 2/3 = ×2 of an attacker unit in pvp

[fluid patrol]

XMaiden has 3 routes:

• Full support (she does not burst at all, like Shinonono's vid), no one should do this unless ur XMaiden is overly bricked.
• Offburst dps/support (she does not burst till the very end)
• DPS (she bursts every other rotation for that juicy S2 damage), but while this does weaken the other electric DPS, it is likely necessary for minmaxing. So this is strictly raid. Minmaxing = raid. Maxxing = anything outside raid.

[dawn wind]

this should be pinned

[errant gull]

Thats good analysis

Yoinked

[ember kettle]

Is there a reason why offburst dps is only viable for intercept

[craggy laurel]

can maiden work at 4/4/4 or does she need full invests to get going?

[floral flicker]

Because otherwise there are better options who can perform better as dps

Slot pressure when it's 5 teams yk

[floral flicker]

Can work as buffer ig

[craggy laurel]

good enough for me rn

[ember kettle]

Oh cause the burst every rot shes available is assuming your only burst 3 dps' are cinder and xmaiden?

Whereas in int its sanis, cinder and xmaiden?

[floral flicker]

Yes

[ember kettle]

Makes more sense ic

[floral flicker]

Otherwise you burst with Cindy and anis but on 12th burst u burst with maiden

And on 13th burst it's Cindy again

[ember kettle]

Yea

[floral flicker]

Ngl good, balanced unit in my books

Not too op, solid use, and future proof to a limit

[ember kettle]

This is great since my ein is bricked

[atomic tiger]

whats the cindy team b3s off ele? maiden sanis with maiden bursting?

[floral flicker]

I'm not that confident in her off ele

Tbh

But ig it still should xMaiden bursting

[ember kettle]

Assuming maxwell in that same comp for SR, ur prob not gonna burst with her either right

[floral flicker]

Cindy rouge maiden B2 Maxwell?

U burst with maiden

[fluid patrol]

Maxwell for what.

[ember kettle]

Dont wanna use exia

[fluid patrol]

Because you only care about maxxing (focusing damage on one team).

In raid, you need to factor in the other teams.

[ember kettle]

Yea makes sense

[fluid patrol]

Gaining +500M in one and losing -800M in another is not good, but maybe funneling gives you +1.3B and you only lose -500M from the other team.

Or maybe funneling is bad.

It's hard to guess.

There is just a higher chance that they will be split.

[ember kettle]

Whats likelihood that Maiden will also be buffed by maxwells s1

[fluid patrol]

In her rotation, always if she is positioned somewhere on her left.

In the other rotation, almost never, unless SAnis is used.

[ember kettle]

Left of rogue?

Ur right, idky I forgot that the highest attack is considering buffed stats n not base

[fluid patrol]

Somewhere to the left of Maxwell.

But why?

Max is a bad pair.

Use XLud.

[ember kettle]

For SR?

This next boss wont be Iron?

Water*

[fluid patrol]

What does Maxwell do here exactly.

Her buffs dont work with XMaiden.

[ember kettle]

Cause she wont be top 2 attack in team?

[rocky shoal]

X.maiden should make ratio 50 easier no?

[spring siren]

I havent tried yet

[errant gull]

If i dont have to farm buffs for it

[wild nebula]

Mw buff works upon fbm. That wont buff maiden nuke

So itll just be her autos

[ember kettle]

Makes sense, so would exia be the best flex spot in their team

[calm rune]

what's considered a bricked XMaiden?

[errant gull]

Like those 2 guys who posted the vids

Bricked = unbuilt atm

[floral flicker]

maiden is bricked if u dont have good electric units

[south smelt]

Anything as far as OL gear stats, cube?

[valid furnace]

way better than whatever i got before maiden

[glacial flax]

Imagine starting this banner

Need to rng for Cindy, rouge and ein

And no Sanis ever

[spring siren]

XD

Now this is so far the strongest p1

cry Alice macro

[tame veldt]

@floral flicker fix the image in OP

[floral flicker]

My pc is off again

Remind me tmrw right before daily reset

[tame veldt]

[dusty saddle]

so vigor cube on maiden?

[spring siren]

I gave her resi to infinite ammo in electric comp

[arctic veldt]

cindy > maiden > repeat, skip sanis burst?

[ember kettle]

full dps route is for SR, when the only 2 b3's for the most part is Cindy and XMaiden

I was confused too

[arctic veldt]

oh, sanis ein 2nd electric

[ember kettle]

Yep

Is charge dmg an acceptable stat for XMaiden

[errant kindle]

how is her burst? is it worth the lvl 10 investment?

[lilac flax]

Has anyone done the math on whether it's worth using XMaiden burst first?

I just realised the the first burst of the fight is the only opportunity to use her both as a DPS and a support. She'll go from 0->1 mana enter burst stage 1, triggering her support abilities, and has her burst off cooldown to trigger her S2 for main DPS abilities.

So the setup would be something like:

XMaiden -> Cindy -> S.Anis -> Cindy -> S.Anis -> etc etc -> Cindy -> XMaiden

If you're getting 13 burst rotations, Cindy can be bursts 2,4,6,8,10,12 so she still gets six burst cycles, and XMaiden is bursts 1 & 13.

If you can squeeze a 14th burst, it would give Cindy back her seventh burst rotation

Notably, XMaiden should still be at her max MP (12) for burst number 13

[wild nebula]

It wont trigger tho

[lilac flax]

Support abilities trigger from MP gain here

DPS S2 triggers from using her burst

[wild nebula]

Her support can only be triggered by the fbm

[lilac flax]

That's a bug if so

[wild nebula]

Its not

[lilac flax]

because description says when MP is replenished

[wild nebula]

Replenish vs recover

[lilac flax]

ohhhhhhh

[wild nebula]

KR text makes a distinction too btw so not mistranslation

[lilac flax]

yeah I see it now

different words used in the S1

welp, nvm then

[gritty whale]

intentionally screwed us

[lilac flax]

Rouge?

Can she break it with S.Anis and XMaiden buffs I wonder?

oh Crown buffs too

oh right high deficit

yeah probably not

[potent aurora]

Wait so XMaiden, except for the seggs, is sucks?

[round canopy]

X Maiden is a tanky-support for Water bosses and Solo Raids. Because most of her team utility comes from her Elemental Damage buffs for her team, you really don't want to use her in campaign where ATK buffs are more universally applicable

But in her dedicated niche, she's quite solid.

As a rule of thumb, Attack and ATK buffs in Nikke are quite common, so stacking them eventually has decreasing returns compared to getting new buffs instead (since buffs of the same type are additive rather than multiplicative)

Elemental Damage buffs are the hardest to get right now, and basically exclusively come from Cubes and OL Lines (and a handful of units that no one actually uses)

So XMaiden is quite valuable in her niche as an Elemental Damage support for Electric teams, and worthless outside of it because Elemental Damage buffs are only relevant when your units have Elemental Advantage

[paper adder]

has anyone ran the numbers with Mast

@floral flicker @fluid patrol

i guess mast wont buff x maiden

if a 3rd b3 is there

[lilac flax]

Elysion tower might use Mast and Poli

DWife/Poli/MPriv/Mast/Maiden

probably better to just run three B3 and use Maiden's nuke on the stage boss tho

[languid lotus]

Why Poli?

[lilac flax]

who else would you use?

[languid lotus]

Another B3?

[lilac flax]

yeah I know

[languid lotus]

Mast is 20s B2

[lilac flax]

Just putting it forward as a potential Mast use-case

Mast only buffs XMaiden

bringing her just for XMaiden's nuke at the end (her best strat if three B3) would be insane

nobody else in Elysion wants HP

[languid lotus]

Who do you normally bring as b2?

[lilac flax]

that's true

Poli/Mast at least lets you alternate ATK and HP to suit your two B3

would have to run the numbers to see if it's worth it

compared to e.g. bringing Guillotine

[potent aurora]

I see

[nimble violet]

Should I full reroll for Ele? Or 1 ammo is need?

[potent aurora]

Def to ele

I guess

[nimble violet]

That is 3 rock gamble

Not sure if it's worth

[plucky marten]

Don’t you have the items to lock the other 2 lines?

[errant gull]

i will definitely do it if i even got a piece like this

fk man

[plucky marten]

What level should I get her skills to

[errant gull]

just like in the pin

but if u want to go slow

1. If she has good Ol setup , push burst to 10 immedidately
2. If she has shiet Ol setup, slowly push it to 10 and leave her completely offburst

[minor geyser]

mlb wallpaper since i had a hard time finding it

[plucky marten]

She needs to be slightly more to the right

[plucky marten]

Much appreciated

[sturdy ledge]

so is this trio basically permalocked together?

[paper adder]

[fervent steeple]

Can Flora stack up Maiden MP?

[plucky marten]

I regret skipping Rouge

[fervent steeple]

I feel like something like Cindy Rouge XMaiden Blanc Flora will do if it works

[plucky marten]

[fervent steeple]

Then Crown can be on SAnis Ein team

[errant gull]

we wont know if its legit cook till top dawgs in SR using it

[languid lotus]

She can fully stack xMaiden's HP buff. Not her MP

[fervent steeple]

Oof not work on her MP? Bummer

Its her MP count that matters more on her burst, if it does not work its useless

[lilac flax]

Yeah MP is its own mechanic it seems

To avoid potential broken setups

[languid lotus]

"accumulate" vs "stack"

[fervent steeple]

Imagine max mp XMaiden every 30s

[lilac flax]

For electric weak, yes

For neutral damage, Maiden is far less useful

[plucky marten]

I see I see

[languid lotus]

Just like "replenish" vs "recover" are apparently different terms

[fervent steeple]

So we just need them to release someone with increase "accumulate count by 1"

[sturdy ledge]

does her own damage from rogue synergy and 20% tak buff not enough to warrant her a spot in non electric boss? assuming still using cindy cuz have no other tean

cuz i felt using cindy + rogue and a normal atk scaling b3 felt like a waste of rogue synergy

[idle lodge]

inb4 someone gets a favorite item with that

[lilac flax]

I don't think so.

A huge portion of her damage comes from fighting electric enemies.

40% self buff and 31% party buff is hefty

Even if she scrapes by as acceptable for now the moment another ST HP scaler of any element appears they'll inevitably powercreep her for neutral.

For water enemies though she'll be meta for a long time.

[fluid patrol]

LB 2 worthy?

Or save for pilgrim

Hmmmmm

Both

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245939636702810225/1313875613127278642/96DD459A-8202-4355-89F4-E5AD73B949C0.gif

[buoyant mirage]

She's at most decent or mid if neutral element

Because her strong dmg buff is totally wasted

40% buff is huge

Literally throwing someone two "free" OL gear that gives 20% ele each
(Or four if you manage to buff two Electric dmg carries)

[errant gull]

do as what your instinct says

[buoyant mirage]

Drool over that

[errant gull]

so u cant blame others

[buoyant mirage]

I think she's 1 copy max because if you use her as mostly support capacity, then the ele dmg buff she gives doesn't care about Ice Maiden dupes

The rest is luxury / at your discretion / horni

Also if she never bursts, she will never convert hp to ATK, iirc, and never bursting also means never giving herself any ele dmg buff (that's right, her team buff ignores herself)

Hence if you play her in the style of "burst last once", dupes mean even less compared to rest of team rocking it

And if you feel ShiftUp will rerun her next year

This is the time to be stingy, you ... probably... won't permanently miss out on getting more dupes of her next year

[limpid condor]

I heard MID

[warm galleon]

Spent 190 to get 2 dupes, time to skip guillo

[buoyant mirage]

Guillo will use Lethal Eye on you if you do

[warm galleon]

That’s actually hot

[fluid patrol]

That is because she is used as support here not DPS.

I need someone to test.

[misty yew]

Is MIR's normal atk better than Ein? Burst condition ofc.

[fluid patrol]

Got someone to test.

[boreal moon]

worth going sr15 doll on her?

[cunning dragon]

do you want her to be stronger on the next raid?
but NY should have new treasure no?

[lilac flax]

I'll stop at SR10, not raising to 15 when she's only seeing use in 1/5 raids

Maybe raise to 15 if you need a little bit more for AI

[errant gull]

cant deny the elysion savior ~~just need extra 100k cp on top ~~

[rocky shoal]

I also finally got Modernia down today after being stuck for 2 weeks