[Maiden: Ice Rose] New Unit Megathread

[wild nebula]

its the same in kr

kit itself is jank

[misty yew]

yeah, i was like "Another Electric? Meta?! AGAIN?!?"

Why not water?!

[tawdry night]

Yea kits itself is complex

[fluid patrol]

Yeah thats why 1-2

[misty yew]

Water team is dead

[fluid patrol]

2 low, 1 high, or 2 usual

[warped siren]

I mean elecs are busted now

[fluid patrol]

Exactly like Cindy

[misty yew]

She should be Water, it fit her theme also

[errant gull]

better give specific %, "2 lines" dont tell much

[warped siren]

they cost more than SG team

[misty yew]

in fact, making her Water, bait players to get XGui

[fluid patrol]

Rouge 10 10 10

[misty yew]

Maiden fix the chunni

[fluid patrol]

Cindy 10 7 10 ok

But now

Cindy 10 10 10 worth

[glacial flax]

they making a full blown electric + hp scaling team

[fluid patrol]

[glacial flax]

rouge cindy xmaiden

wow

[misty yew]

Hmm, does her dps higher than Ein

[glacial flax]

can't wait for the iron + def scaling team next year

[misty yew]

If so, fuck MC!!

[ashen crow]

bro

[lucid dirge]

because electric has OP enemies

yes you, mother whale, mirror container

[ashen crow]

the fact that rouge just would not come home when I tried rolling for her is mega cringe

[boreal moon]

can't wait for mono weapons + wind team next year

[hearty fable]

We're so cooked

[warped siren]

so far 10/10/10 for cinder and rogue and ein and mari and sanis(burst 9) and now maiden too

[ashen crow]

I got a fucking crown copy but I would've traded that for rouge

[glacial flax]

none of the current electric units are that good in whale

[hearty fable]

I really hope there is no collab in April

[glacial flax]

bad part break

[boreal moon]

ein is alright in whale but yea the rest are peepee

[glacial flax]

they manufactured the need for electric meta to sell us the solution

[misty yew]

SU need to balance between NIKKE meta elementals

[glacial flax]

big brain

[errant gull]

u still need to test if Cindy/Rouge/Xmaiden can destroy slipper in this comp, if its not working then u still have 4 def up to take care of and i dont think xmaiden can really outshine ein in that role

[misty yew]

we have too many electric meta now

[hearty fable]

Meanwhile wind and water shafted

[ashen crow]

wind not so much due to sbs

[glacial flax]

don't worry, wind + dmg reduction scaling team coming in 2026

[misty yew]

Yeah, I will. Her buff help the team as well, and being RL, it could oneshot Glass slipper, I hope.

[ashen crow]

I mean yeah it's only one unit but at least she's incredibly good at it

[misty yew]

Copium

[lucid dirge]

for MW rerun i think swap ein and Anis

anis could some AoE attack

[glacial flax]

dmg reduction converting to atk dmg with 1000% efficiency

[boreal moon]

wind+distributed damage buffers team for sbs

[lucid dirge]

so cindy with anis
xmaiden with ein

[misty yew]

Water is wet and wind is dead.

[boreal moon]

MW rerun gonna be a different element dude

[errant gull]

let us know, potential breakthrough for mc both campaign and ai

[glacial flax]

no cindy xmaiden rouge together

[misty yew]

At lease SBS carry wind

[lilac flax]

Wait splitting cindy and maiden? When both want rouge?

Yeah

[misty yew]

XLud can't even carry water

[fluid patrol]

No, both can use RH.

[boreal moon]

MW will be wind weak or something

[fluid patrol]

RH is B1 now.

Lmao.

[ashen crow]

cucked by fps drops

same with qeq

[boreal moon]

if boss has core maybe RH can stay at b3

[fluid patrol]

Wait no

[warped siren]

should I c7 maiden for more hp

[fluid patrol]

XMaiden doesnt work with RH

[glacial flax]

I prob ain't running an ein sanis team unless ele adv

[fluid patrol]

If no Flora useles

[lilac flax]

Cindy/Rouge/XMaiden/Blanc/Flex surely.

Ein and SAnis can run with Doro and Priv lol

[errant gull]

Xmaiden C7 angle of the year pogchamp, go for it

[warped siren]

still not sure whether flora can increase MP or not

[fluid patrol]

Not useless but stiill worth but like

[fluid patrol]

ITS THE STACKS

[boreal moon]

blanc if you need healer. otherwise grave/mari

[fluid patrol]

STOP SAYING THE MP LA

[lucid dirge]

ein-anis with crown dkw if elec weak

[fluid patrol]

THE S1 STACKSSSSSSS

[warped siren]

it doesn't say stack

so need to test

[boreal moon]

maybe crown even

[glacial flax]

inb4 they code MP differently from buff stacks

[misty yew]

I'm gonna calling Maiden Ice Rose as MIR, sound like a ballistic missile weapon name

[glacial flax]

then all flora does is help stack s1 hp buff faster

[warped siren]

[fluid patrol]

Yes good for raid

[acoustic drum]

From @valid furnace
XMaid neutral dmg.
Higher than QeQ for reference (960M)

[fluid patrol]

Not expecting it to help outside raid

[lilac flax]

Does a B1 re-enter count for two stacks I wonder

[glacial flax]

no

[misty yew]

FINALLY, ELYSION META COOK!!

[glacial flax]

for b1 to gain you need to be at 0

[misty yew]

YES!!!!!

[lilac flax]

Oh right

[fluid patrol]

There is no buffer for XMaiden better than herself

[misty yew]

MIR also buff Guilotine in Elysion tower

[fluid patrol]

Oh and flora at least heals

[glacial flax]

bit higher than qeq isn't much

no one uses qeq in neutral

[cunning dragon]

if xmaiden have good burst gen, then elysion tower will be breeze

[glacial flax]

prob slightly better gen than regular rl

[hearty fable]

Look at Quiry

[glacial flax]

prob isn't gonna be anything special

[dreamy vessel]

After 2 million years Ingrid finally gives us an elysion dps that is both sexy and meta

[glacial flax]

esp since you don't wanna spam

[cunning dragon]

will still probably spam dwife

[lilac flax]

Hold on there's no fucking cap

S.Anis/Blanc/Cindy/Rouge/XMaiden

And just use XMaiden on the final burst

[glacial flax]

spam you lose gen and dmg and buff stacks

[fluid patrol]

Im not gonna laugh but

[glacial flax]

aoe seems avg too

[lucid dirge]

anis with ein and exia

[glacial flax]

ingrid only cooks well for elysion alts that have big booba and big ass

[cunning dragon]

at least she buff Guilo, Maiden and mPriv

[lilac flax]

My point is that there's no reason to use Maiden's burst more than once. It just converts MP to damage.... So if no MP cap only use it in last 10 seconds

[glacial flax]

if a future ely unit doesn't fit those criteria, in the dumpter they go

[fluid patrol]

Finally I can s9 mirror

[glacial flax]

don't even need to look at kit

[fluid patrol]

I CAN FINALLY GET THE TITLE

[misty yew]

Also, the fact MIR is RL, meaning she help fixing burst-charge problem on Elysion in the tower

[fluid patrol]

MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALL

[glacial flax]

I mean...

[lucid dirge]

should I build guillo for team 5 with scarlet?

[glacial flax]

considering that I'm using quiry atm purely for gen.... yeah she'll be used

also just for raw cp stacking

[fluid patrol]

2 LB material

Then save for new year

[errant gull]

wait, good burst gen, good neutral damage, going to be built cuz meta, thats Elysion savior material

[glacial flax]

bad mob clearing

[lilac flax]

Is Mast now viable for Elysion tower I wonder lol

[glacial flax]

could replace phantom

[errant gull]

Elysion has Mpriv dont have to worry about that

[glacial flax]

how's guillo's dmg btw

[lilac flax]

MPriv is useless without Tove or Leona tho

[fluid patrol]

Yeah and Guillo

[misty yew]

also, potential PvP meta

[lilac flax]

Neither of which are Elysion

[wild nebula]

she has a normal RL tho, cant be that bad

[fluid patrol]

DWife Dieskek PrivM XMaiden Guillo

Best comp now

[glacial flax]

nuke isn't very good for aoe from my experience

[fluid patrol]

WE ALSO HAVE BURST GEN

[errant gull]

no she not, she is used in elysion most of time since she is meta and built most of time

[glacial flax]

need sustained aoe clear like ein

[fluid patrol]

FINALLY WE HAVE BURST GEN FOR ELYSION TOWE

THATS NOT VESTI

LETSGOOOOO

[glacial flax]

ein literally solos everything in my tower

[tawdry night]

Finally can climb 100 more floors

[lilac flax]

Can she even gain her S2 stacks in Elysion tower?

[errant gull]

Elysion problem is the burst gen

[hearty fable]

But I thought Quiry existed

[misty yew]

[fluid patrol]

Oh yeah Dieskek can make XMaiden shoot infinitely

[errant gull]

dont worry about optimize mpri, she is good, she just need burst gen, burst gen IS the only problem for Elysion

[misty yew]

^

279, 325

those two stages have been haunting players in Elysion's tower since age

mainly because lack of burst charge and dps

[acoustic drum]

From @valid furnace

[lilac flax]

No but seriously can someone confirm if I've missed something?

Because the way I see it XMaiden is the ideal slot 5, never bursting until the very end to unload a fuck tonne of damage all at once???

[warped siren]

do we get burst regen number for maiden?

[misty yew]

YESS!! STRONGER THAN EIN!!

[errant gull]

this is hyper carry and she also has lusty design, imagine doing elysion with her fat ass in your face, oooh

[lucid dirge]

i guess

ein-anis-exia-crown-dkw
cindy-rouge-maiden-grave-RH/Flora
mari-alice-sbs-liter-modernia
SG team naga version
vol-bunnies-scarlet-guillotine

[misty yew]

MC, I'M GONNA KICK YOUR ASS!!

[fluid patrol]

YES S9 GUYS

FINALLY

WE ALL FINISH IT

[lucid dirge]

so, i can say UR this month will be (spoiler)

[misty yew]

I loves that Alice is on the list because... she is Alice.

[glacial flax]

if you got 2 other electric dps in electric-weak fight, sure

she buffs them with ele every full burst

then she nukes at the end

or after a few bursts

[lucid dirge]

my mpriv sucks

no ammo OL

[glacial flax]

hard to math out

[lilac flax]

We're not exactly short of electric DPS

[lucid dirge]

bricked

[fluid patrol]

We have 4

[glacial flax]

could work to replace sanis flex

actually yeah it would

[lilac flax]

Worried about mirror container? Bring Ein

[glacial flax]

atk buff kinda sucky in rouge crown anyway

[lilac flax]

Otherwise S.Anis

[glacial flax]

esp cindy xmaiden already overloaded on atk themselves

ele is more important

plus more gen

[lilac flax]

I can't see any team where Maiden bursts multiple times being better

[glacial flax]

I still feel like they must have added a cap to the mp

[lilac flax]

It's such a waste

[glacial flax]

no way they let us keep stacking

[lilac flax]

Surely there's a MP cap

[glacial flax]

[lilac flax]

Otherwise she's SSS tier

Basically letting you get three on-burst B3

And buffing allies

[glacial flax]

[fluid patrol]

They will

[ashen crow]

let's just assume the worst and that mp cap is 3

[glacial flax]

normally she gains 2 mp between each time she bursts

if she keeps stacking.... that's actually still 2 mp each 2 bursts

[lilac flax]

Only 1

After the first

[glacial flax]

yeah 1 per full burst

[lilac flax]

As already above zero

[glacial flax]

but that's already what she gained when she's bursting

[lilac flax]

Yeah no reason to burst with her before the very end

[warped siren]

also need to test that if MP will go above 2

[glacial flax]

you do lose 1 stack on the burst she's doing, since she bursts before she reaches full burst

it would be like 2n - 1 stacks

n being number of full bursts you did

[misty yew]

Hmm, we need to see if her hit count during burst fixed or not

[lilac flax]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[glacial flax]

no 2n

[glacial flax]

you start with 2 mp in first burst

due to s1 trigger

[floral flicker]

can u confirm with raon, this is xmaiden on her ele, or neutral?

[glacial flax]

well it's around 2n anyway

give or take a few

[lilac flax]

Is it finally time?

Isabelle/Blanc/Cindy/Rouge/XMaiden?

[fluid patrol]

No, 1n

[glacial flax]

oh yeah 1n

[fluid patrol]

N = full burst

Wait no

[glacial flax]

about there, start of fight and when she bursts might add or subtract one

[fluid patrol]

Yeah 1n

[glacial flax]

normally she's still about 1n anyway

[acoustic drum]

You both communicating in dm he said

[fluid patrol]

(2n + 1) if uses burst every rotation
2n if not using burst every rotation

[glacial flax]

yeah basically negligible loss esp if you wait until end of fight

that 1 Mp isn't gonna make a diff

[lilac flax]

..... In campaign she can also be a strong boss nuker, potentially killing as soon as they appear

[glacial flax]

campaign I don't think you get to do enough bursts for it to matter much

[outer onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1164232338511761508.webp?size=48&name=SyuenPrayge

[glacial flax]

but yeah save for boss

[cunning dragon]

if Maiden is this good, idk what will dev cook on NY

[warped siren]

ok you won ingrid

[fluid patrol]

But just for collection

[misty yew]

Yan Alter!!
Chinese NY you know

[lilac flax]

Siren the B3 water DPS that XGuillo wishes she was

[glossy wolf]

where is her burst gen at?

[misty yew]

no idea

[fluid patrol]

I will get 1 more SSR because she will replace an R unit amen.

[errant gull]

a 12/12 line suggestion, we are in this economy now, good luck

[lilac flax]

Kraken gives and the meta takes away

[shy panther]

so whats the verdict?

[outer onyx]

Flora OP
pull

[fluid patrol]

No

[misty yew]

I can't believe one day, Elysion NIKKE is on a comp that will fuck up Mirror Container!

[lilac flax]

As soon as crystal economy became less garbage expectations also went up

[misty yew]

must pull

[lilac flax]

If she has no MP cap she's SSS tier

[shy panther]

I don't have clud yet, who do I focus on?

[misty yew]

thicc

[acoustic drum]

Get 1 copy of both

[ashen crow]

ideally both

[stuck mango]

so they delayed the kit so we cant pull flora last minute?

[glacial flax]

does she really need ammo that much tho

[lilac flax]

XLud first as she'll never be available again.

You can get XMaiden next year in true worst case scenario

[errant gull]

ideally, but u dont get to pick cuz ny coming up and its another 12/12

[shy panther]

ok I have 2 multy, should be enough

[fluid patrol]

another? U mean 2 others?

[glacial flax]

shaving off a few reloads when she by default gains 1 stack every 8 seconds isn't that huge

nowhere near dkw/rouge cdr

stacks won't reset either

[errant gull]

why u leak prydwen guide before they click on the website, bad bad

[glacial flax]

and unless in raids, she's gonna get crown anyway

[errant gull]

lmao

[fluid patrol]

Okok deleted

[lilac flax]

Honestly she just needs ATK and Elem so her burst at the end deals one priestillion damage

[glacial flax]

well

her burst doesn't scale off atk at all

[acoustic drum]

Prev solo raid top ranks used Cindy with Grave.
Ein with Crown iirc.
Assuming this the same for upcoming season, ammo will be necessary, atleast 1

[glacial flax]

won't even need atk if used as final burst nuker

[potent aurora]

Intern blunder

[glacial flax]

her autos won't get conversion anyway for most of fight, so doing peanuts for dmg

[lilac flax]

I was gonna ask about her burst tbh

This isn't grammatically correct English

It makes no sense

[tardy kayak]

wait, they're not rereleasing prvs banners again next X-mas?

[glacial flax]

I don't think it pushes her into a diff threshold though

[lilac flax]

Is it equal to 1372.8% ATK or equal to 10% of HP?

[errant gull]

ATK still help, its just reduced on "priority" but if its a black 3rd line, are you gonna be "oh dont need it , roll away"?

[glacial flax]

it's not like needing specific amount of shots each burst

[lilac flax]

No XRupee or XAnne this year

I can't confidently say what they'll do next year

But the trend is set

[glacial flax]

if frequent bursting with her, sure it'll help for dmg since a large portion is autos

if final bursting, ammo and atk make almost no diff

[warped siren]

translation is wrong

[glacial flax]

[stuck mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1277023294108864619/1313270985209942109/1798395112218898942.gif?width=360&height=450

[pure ibex]

We can't say they're not coming with certainty. They still need to release another notice to announce Union Raid. They may be on that one. (Xanne/XRupee)

[lilac flax]

If no MP cap final bursting will always be her best team

[misty yew]

The translation is correct, so that mean original writing is shit.

[glacial flax]

nah, I had enough of that rerun cope

it ain't happening

[misty yew]

SU being SU.

[tardy kayak]

I don't remember well but did we get all the previous summer characters this year?

[pure ibex]

Yes.

[glacial flax]

final bursting you still want high skill invest

unless neutral ele, then s2 is low prio

but should be much much easier on overloads

now I want her to have no mp cap

final bursting is something new

[lilac flax]

My best guess at parsing the text is that the Burst is:

• 1278% ATK base
• 10% HP X MP stack count

Which means ATK will help her autos and slightly help her burst, but not as much as Rouge's HP buffs if final bursting

[glacial flax]

shakes things up

[fluid patrol]

*Consume and attack the same number of times based on current MP.

[glacial flax]

it's 1378% * (final hp * 10%)

same with kilo

for each instance

[lilac flax]

Oh so just no ATK

[glacial flax]

yeah

pure hp scaling

[fluid patrol]

Yeah so barebone no dmg

[lilac flax]

So if there's a boss who wipes stacks she can potentially deal zero damage?

[glacial flax]

which might result in her burst being a fairly small portion of her dmg

[fluid patrol]

She becomes support off burst

[glacial flax]

autos get hp conversion half the time, scale off team atk buffs as well as team hp buffs

[lilac flax]

She's the perfect Cindy and Rouge ally regardless.

[glacial flax]

burst only gets team hp buffs

[lilac flax]

Rouge finally has someone to sit on her other side

[glacial flax]

and might not even get full burst bonus

[humble rune]

boss chewed me alive and spit out

finally has sometimes to cook

[glacial flax]

we need her dmg comparisons to other units

[floral flicker]

now

real talk

[glacial flax]

get to work

[floral flicker]

elysion tower

her bossing is proven

@humble rune this mtfkr is single target damage

[lilac flax]

Final bursting strat also benefits from a max stacks Rouge buff for all her MP conversions.

So probably result in more XMaiden damage than bursting regularly, let alone team damage

[fluid patrol]

BRO WE ALR TALKED ABOUT ELY TOWER

[humble rune]

yeah

[fluid patrol]

FUCK YOU

[humble rune]

so pretty much Guillo?

[floral flicker]

is she HER?

[floral flicker]

but burst gen

[glacial flax]

oh yeah there's that

[fluid patrol]

She gives burst gen

Good enuf

[glacial flax]

and also xmaiden s1 stacks

[fluid patrol]

I dont fucking car

[glacial flax]

won't need flora either

[floral flicker]

instant meta

[humble rune]

but allow you to run Marciana

[fluid patrol]

[floral flicker]

[glacial flax]

flora prob just gives +1 stacks to final bursting

[acoustic drum]

Can u share what u confirmed with Raon?

[fluid patrol]

SS tier bossing?

Or SSS

[humble rune]

not Maiden

btw I forgot

it's not available yet

[fluid patrol]

Im smelling SSS

[lilac flax]

The MP cap is what makes or breaks her SSS status

[humble rune]

having lunch currently so you all will need to wait

[fluid patrol]

Can we bully Missilis pls

She doesnt have SSS unit

[glacial flax]

if cap is high enough it prob still works out

just burst about when it reaches cap

[lucid dirge]

naga

[fluid patrol]

B3

[lilac flax]

Naga gonna drop too if we keep getting coreless bosses

[fluid patrol]

She will join SG comp

[lucid dirge]

well misillis carries circles on matis squad

then ein which not gamechanger

[floral flicker]

split in damage is

60 / 40, 60 normals, 40 nuke

skipping her burst might be valid for 1-2 bursts (40-60s) but overall doesnt seem to be a very significant increase

[misty yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV-UNCWONZw

[fluid patrol]

Its just Rouge gets Max HP boost after 5th burst skill

[acoustic drum]

So it's fine to burst with her every 2nd rotation?
Cuz I understood his last msg sent to me felt like 3 B3 was always necessary

[lilac flax]

I'd be shocked if her best teams don't just put Ein or SAnis as the burst until the very end when a max stacks Rouge & XMaiden can demolish.

Even if her personal damage is lower the team damage will be immense

[errant gull]

Cindy Sanis Cindy (Mc phase 1), Sanis (opening phase 2)-Cindy-Xmaiden-Cindy-Xmaiden (during 4 slippers)

[fluid patrol]

Its fine

[humble rune]

we are in a meta where DPS must be tanky and deal huge dmg

[floral flicker]

no, just dont burst with her for first 5 bursts

after that you always burst xmaiden

[humble rune]

aka Defender

[misty yew]

I think that ice arrows are the one "atk continuously based on MP"
in trailer, she have 3 MP btw.

[humble rune]

also, boss has no core @floral flicker

[floral flicker]

parts

how good is emidlia

[humble rune]

core

[glacial flax]

if you don't burst with maiden she stacks her burst part of dmg, so approx half her dmg

[floral flicker]

on neutral

[glacial flax]

while your 2 other b3s keep bursting

[humble rune]

4 parts extremely tanky = Emigod

[glacial flax]

you get 250% burst value per 2 bursts

then you nut it all out at the end

[fluid patrol]

U mean she hits 1373% over and over again?

[humble rune]

even 2 on phase 2 looks very strong too

problem is phase 1 like normal nihi is very kek for Emilia

[lilac flax]

Even after first 5 bursts continuing to use S.Anis burst will surely be more team damage.

You'll get all the damage from S.Anis plus 40% of Xmaiden

[floral flicker]

yes ik but if parts tanky

or regen

[glacial flax]

does p1 nihil have core

[lilac flax]

Assuming you use a single XMaiden burst at the end

[humble rune]

Snow White

[glacial flax]

[fluid patrol]

No

[humble rune]

[glacial flax]

looks like it got both heads in p1?

[fluid patrol]

No

[floral flicker]

no kisenix alrdy told me

i suggested this

its worse

also confirmed with raon that basic hits are super strong and worth it

[lilac flax]

Her autos must be insane then if they're out damaging a S.Anis burst

[fluid patrol]

It is insane

Lol

[misty yew]

Yeah, at least seem like so, MP indicates how many hits she deal, while the atk formula is in first part of the description.

[fluid patrol]

[misty yew]

If so, I can guess her MP charges will likely be around fixed amount, like only reach average despite how many cs or max ammo she get

[fluid patrol]

Its tied to skill 1

Bro

Read the skillset

[misty yew]

I mean the cap of MP

[glacial flax]

avg 1 mp per full burst

cap we dunno, can be anything, if it even exists

[misty yew]

so she get max 3 per burst?

[humble rune]

so 2 mp every burst of her

2

[glacial flax]

normally it's 2 per burst

[fluid patrol]

2-3

[humble rune]

unless you can punp those stacks

[floral flicker]

Essentially you go like

Cindy, anis, Cindy, anis

And then
Cindy, maiden, repeat

[misty yew]

In trailer, she reach 3

[humble rune]

with idk, flora lmao

[glacial flax]

unless something really funky goes on with mp consumption and continuous

[fluid patrol]

Nononono

If she USES BURST SKILL

her next rotation will have 3 MP

[misty yew]

but yeah, we don't know about cap or potentially how many MP she can stack before burst

[glacial flax]

I only saw 2 icicles

[fluid patrol]

Aka +3 over 2 rotations

But if she DOESNT use burst skill

Its only +2 over 2 rotations

[humble rune]

so you just don't deal 1300% ATK here to deal 1300% ATK later

[fluid patrol]

No

Wtf

[humble rune]

think before replying me

[fluid patrol]

I think alr

WE ALR SOLVED THIS

[glacial flax]

doing the 1300% later is the idea of final bursting strat

if the cap allows it

[misty yew]

yeah, that is a weird part, I only saw 2 as well, so I assume one deal initial dmg, following 2 hits => 3 MP cost

[wild nebula]

where do you see 3?

[acoustic drum]

Huh? Ain't the condition for replenish MP is just Full Burst?

[glacial flax]

based on wording she should only get 2 icicles per burst in normal gameplay

[fluid patrol]

No, she gains 1 more from Burst Stage I if she doesnt have any MP.

[humble rune]

yep, should hold it till last FB, Sanis may not have full duration

[warped siren]

to be precisely it's 1300% of atk that is added base + 10% of her final hp

[misty yew]

Wait... my bad, it's two

[fluid patrol]

@floral flicker They dont understand.

[misty yew]

[glacial flax]

?

I don't think it scales on her atk at all

[misty yew]

yeah, two ice arrows

[glacial flax]

we had this discussion with kilo

[humble rune]

look at Kilo

[warped siren]

it is original kr text

[humble rune]

they behave the same

[warped siren]

blame SU

[fluid patrol]

Even Gatrix dont understand. @floral flicker

[humble rune]

I just put 1300% to implying the dmg, not really 1300%

[glacial flax]

10% * final hp * multiplier * MP

[misty yew]

So yeah, she deal 1300% of 10% HP based on per arrow, which number of arrow based on how many MP she had.

[lilac flax]

Hmmm Is OG Scarlet a better choice than S.Anis? Since higher autos so will benefit from XMaiden's support buffing more?

[glacial flax]

1300% of 10% of hp

[fluid patrol]

No

[glacial flax]

the atk is just a filler word they use

[fluid patrol]

Not at all

What the fuck

[glacial flax]

doesn't actually scale on atk

kilo is the same situation

[lilac flax]

[fluid patrol]

USE SCARLET IN 2024?

[misty yew]

yeah, SU could have shortened the description

[glacial flax]

yeah idk why they use dumb description with confusing filler, but at least we got precedent

[fluid patrol]

No they cant

[wild nebula]

what about her auto attack dmg tho?
the hp > atk conversion buff activates when she bursts

[glacial flax]

that dmg loss is offset by having sanis actually bursting

while also buffed by maiden s2

[humble rune]

I don't even read her skills properly yet

[warped siren]

kilo text is different from maiden

[humble rune]

still have 2 bananas to eat

[fluid patrol]

Raon alr mathed this.

Man

[glacial flax]

[misty yew]

Also, her burst scale on final max HP, fake HP also count, right?

[glacial flax]

how so

[fluid patrol]

Even these people dont trust Raon

Wtf

[glacial flax]

yes

[humble rune]

fake hp counts

[misty yew]

nice

[lucid dirge]

burst with mast

[fluid patrol]

Wdym fake HP

U mean fake Max HP?

Yes

[glacial flax]

same issue with cindy for mast

need high base atk + atk ol to get mast buff

[tawdry night]

Obviously count even she herself has it

[humble rune]

her burst dmg means

5% total hp as number x 1300% ATK x whatever modifier left

5 or 10%?

[misty yew]

yeah, just to be sure.

[glacial flax]

10%

[humble rune]

whatever, I just put the structure there

[glacial flax]

1300% atk is misleading

it's not scaling off her atk

[humble rune]

so you understand how it works. Basically, it converts a part of her HP into Final ATK, then use that "Final ATK" to multiply the modifier

[wild nebula]

its liek 137% of fina lmax hp

[warped siren]

this is image translated of her burst

[wild nebula]

idk why they put that retarded desc

[humble rune]

it's not even a new mech

-_-

[glacial flax]

I swear this happened with kilo too

[misty yew]

Hmm, so in theory, you can skip her burst and stack MP, then release it later

[humble rune]

pretty much Kilo

[boreal moon]

you free yet gatrix?

[fluid patrol]

From my calc Maiden deserves 7/12 OL

[misty yew]

simplifier, straight to the point.

[humble rune]

They don't call me Gatrix Freeman for no reason

[glacial flax]

if mp cap allows you, it's doable, at cost of needing 2 other actual good bursting b3s in the team

but it'll make OLs matter a lot less

ele is all that really matters

[misty yew]

Yeah, I bet she will has a cap

[boreal moon]

ok just wondering if you have xmaiden burst gen value for pvp sake

[misty yew]

ain't no way SU let us carry a nuke around

[glacial flax]

take regular RL gen, multiply by 1.25 prob

[acoustic drum]

For 4 full burst ig u can, atleast from what Raon said, it's best to have Rogue have max stack first.
But to hold till last burst.
U'll be missing out on S2 buff

[glacial flax]

5 hits instead of 4

[warped siren]

this is kilo

[humble rune]

@sage grove

[glacial flax]

assuming s2 proc counts the same as a regular hit

[misty yew]

the problem if she has a cap or not.

[acoustic drum]

Ah that's true, that's not stated at all

[boreal moon]

she’s not clip RL? (i haven’t checked pv)

[deft adder]

I guess, but wouldn't you actually lose stacks if you play her this waym

you also won't benefit her own buffs as much

[misty yew]

trailer doesn't tell about that either, she just pray and replenish.

[deft adder]

If you don't empty her MP, she won't gain 1 stack from B1 entry

[misty yew]

but based on 2s reload, I think she just reload the whole mag

[humble rune]

only gain stack from in FB

so 1 stack per fb rotation

[misty yew]

Centi is clip RL, 1.25s reload, 2.5s to reload max.

[deft adder]

In the long run you'll lose a stack every other rotatiom

If you hold her burst

[glacial flax]

do you have pic of kilo and also maiden burst in kr

[humble rune]

yeah, don't hold it

unleash the nut

[glacial flax]

she's definitely mag rl with her reload animation

[misty yew]

you only lose skill 2 buff

[glacial flax]

marginally better than standard rl should be the expectation for pvp gen

[misty yew]

as she only replenish MP after using her burst

[deft adder]

You can't gain stack on B1 entry if you have MP

[misty yew]

so in a way, she doesn't buff her team and just Let Me Solo Boss

[misty yew]

yes, the MP gain decrease from 2 to 1

you can still gain MP, but only at 50% rate

[glacial flax]

she doesn't buff team when she bursts

[glacial flax]

eh

[misty yew]

no, I mean when you hold her until the last min to release her insane dps, theoretically.
That is when she doesn't buff team, and gain 1 MP instead of 2.

[glacial flax]

pretty much identical except for the first few words before the orange for maiden

[warped siren]

they're not

[wild nebula]

wait nvm its different

[glacial flax]

the hieroglyphs look the same to me

[warped siren]

that makes sense

[glacial flax]

everything after the orange seem to match the other

[humble rune]

heh so she has 2 playstyle

[warped siren]

just as me looking at chinese

[humble rune]

non burst = buffer + off DPS
burst = carry

[misty yew]

I doubt holding MIR's burst until the end would be a good playstyle, she basically becomes Megumin

[glacial flax]

she isn't doing much off dps

[misty yew]

https://tenor.com/view/megumin-explosion-gif-20357859

[glacial flax]

won't have hp to atk conversion

autos doing puny dmg

[humble rune]

[glacial flax]

she needs to use mp to get half of her atk

[humble rune]

not really puny

mid

[glacial flax]

ok fine mid

that 547% is decent

[acoustic drum]

That probably works in neutral raids but for electric raids, u'll want to burst with her every 40s after Rogue is max stack

[deft adder]

If you somehow play her as an off DPS, she could play that way I guess. max HP stacks + huge MP pool = big nuke

For Elec raid tho, she's the carry

[glacial flax]

prob with final bursting is you need 3 total good dps in the same team

which means your other electric team will have some issues

for neutral it prob works since you prob only run 1 electric team anyway

[deft adder]

Yea could be revisit later on non Elec raid

[glacial flax]

but then her team ele buff doesn't do anything

[plush cape]

I tried looking it up on the search but the 2nd part of her S1 is the part where it says "affects self if MP is above 1" supposed to be something along the lines of "affects self if MP is at or above 1"? Is this is an english translation error?

[spring siren]

Meta

[deft adder]

Make like Cindy - S. Anis - Maiden on non Elec raid

[humble rune]

shit

cloning Cinderella sheet makes me realize I had a bug on Cindy's sheet

let's pretend it doesn't exist

[boreal moon]

[acoustic drum]

From Raon

[glacial flax]

ok if somehow it does work diff from kilo

and that it's 1372% of atk + 10% of hp

even assuming it's doubling her final atk due to s2 buff

her burst dmg is about half than the other interpretation

[boreal moon]

kilo is whole screen, xmaiden is one target, ofc it’s different

[glacial flax]

using my cindy stats as rough guide

3mil base hp, 75k base atk, 150k atk when buffed by s2

13.728 x .1 x 3mil
13.728 x 150k + (.1 x 3mil)

[spring siren]

Meta pull

[errant gull]

goon pull

[glacial flax]

I'm not sure i'm understanding this

why is 6th burst so low

is it when she's not bursting

[wild nebula]

ok its here
환산 (converting): Implies transforming or calculating HP as a different value (attack power).
합산 (combining): Implies directly adding a portion of HP to attack power.

[glacial flax]

so her auto+s2 dmg triples when she's bursting

oh

yeah those 2 looked like the same symbols at a glance to me

[fluid patrol]

Guys, nvm, Flora no point. We found a glaring issue with XMaiden. Shes not that good.

[warped siren]

yes

[glacial flax]

well ok if it's that interpretation, she's trash

burst dmg is half that of calcs

[fluid patrol]

Demoted to SS tier.

[glacial flax]

what issue

[wild nebula]

same had to ask gpt what was different

[errant gull]

[glacial flax]

mfer comes in with the flora propaganda, leave for a bit, comes back to say she doesn't work, and just leaves

[tawdry night]

Spill the issues

[errant gull]

early kisenix L take whats new

[floral flicker]

What did u guys find out

[glacial flax]

is the glaring issue that somehow her burst is split scaling due to diff KR wording

if so yeah she's not that good

[floral flicker]

What

[glacial flax]

although we need live test to be sure

[wild nebula]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1270996891269599312/1314066178360213646/1733367050057003_1.webm?ex=67526aff&is=6751197f&hm=28c0724115c45850b7044e83756e6fdc48c19f8e85388ef9569e1d0b243da88b&
her tiddies also have good jiggle from behind

[spring siren]

Ok max core maiden

Got it

[acoustic drum]

[errant gull]

cope better next time

[floral flicker]

What did you find out

[sturdy ledge]

does ingrid finally cook?

[floral flicker]

I alrdy told you like 50 times flora can never become relevant

[spring siren]

That he loves doompost in maincord

[errant gull]

lucky i still awake and adjust it, fake cope, smmh

[warped siren]

but someone kept insisting she does

[floral flicker]

Why u say this if you don't know what they found out

[boreal moon]

the hell is going on now

are you guys having dementia?

[floral flicker]

It's winter banner so no one can have dementia

Even xAnne got fixed

What was it right about

[boreal moon]

your gut is full of chicken nuggets and big mac

[floral flicker]

Mf that was obvious

[boreal moon]

there’s no team 1 elec

elec now has 2 teams

[errant gull]

you not building her for behemoth anymore?

[boreal moon]

both equal

[floral flicker]

Not really

Cindy will shit on anyone and everyone

Unless she's given a worse team

Name them

[errant gull]

who

[floral flicker]

Liar

Kisenix posted his things 1 hour ago proving maiden is lower than cindy

[warped siren]

isn't it that maiden makes cinder even more beautiful and not just about outdamaging her?

[errant gull]

real friend is real enemy, help each other wake up by clapping them

oh fs clap that fren

[floral flicker]

I don't know what this means

Ban him

[fluid patrol]

Read actual prydwen server chat the blue logo

[spring siren]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[floral flicker]

I am pinged like 17 places rn, I need to work bro

[fluid patrol]

Big issue with XMaiden. Raon miscalced.

Big, very big.

[floral flicker]

Why

[fluid patrol]

Very significant.

[floral flicker]

What

[glacial flax]

what's miscalc

[floral flicker]

Thank you for telling

[glacial flax]

about her buffing?

the fact that she either buffs team or self, not both?

[fluid patrol]

DMed.

[glacial flax]

what's the miscalc

[spring siren]

I'm still waiting

[fluid patrol]

She doesn't buff the team when she bursts.

[spring siren]

[floral flicker]

I don't understand is the tldr

I don't get it

So she actually bursts with 2 stacks??

Is that what you're saying??

[wild nebula]

burst dmg prolly miscalced too

[fluid patrol]

It's like SAnis, but you either pick DMG or Support lol.

[floral flicker]

Can u be more clear

[wild nebula]

it apparently worded different from kilo

[glacial flax]

oh

[floral flicker]

How so

[glacial flax]

yeah she never buffs herself and team at same time

[floral flicker]

Explain

Pls

[wild nebula]

#1314057598919774260 message

[glacial flax]

does that affect her personal dmg though? it shouldn't

unless raon was calcing team dmg

[fluid patrol]

Raon's calc was wrong.

[fluid patrol]

No.

[floral flicker]

If it's adding 10% HP to atk power that means maiden is even stronger

[humble rune]

Mid

[fluid patrol]

But it does severely affect team's damage.

[glacial flax]

means she's weak from my calcs

[floral flicker]

But I don't understand what kisenix is saying

Is he saying that xmaiden actually bursts with 2 stacks?

[glacial flax]

here

kisenix is saying when maiden bursts she doesn't buff team

which is true

[floral flicker]

That means she bursts with 2 stacks

[glacial flax]

yeah

[fluid patrol]

No, Raon misthought that Maiden buffs the team upon Full Burst regardless of whoever uses Burst Skill.

[floral flicker]

Which does affect her personal damage

[glacial flax]

I thought the assumption was always 2 stacks

3 would require some funky stuff with mana consumption and stuff

[floral flicker]

I thought it was 3 stacks 😭

B1, first full burst, personal full burst

3

[fluid patrol]

She gains 1 stack per Full Burst if not using Burst Skill OR 2 stacks after Burst Skill, but she gets +1 at the start.

[floral flicker]

If it's 2 Cindy loses a lotta dps

It doesn't need to show

It needs to hit

[fluid patrol]

Yes because she never replenished.

Lol.

Burst Skill happens first before S1.

[floral flicker]

I see

So why are Cinderella and bsoda exceptions to this rule

[fluid patrol]

Exactly

[tawdry night]

Think I know what you mean
Its become buffing other when she not burst and buffing herself when she burst but not the other
Like that?

[fluid patrol]

There is no exception.

[glacial flax]

you only replenish mp with part 2 of S1 when you don't burst

[floral flicker]

So then

If rezagard is right
And this is actually based on final ATK of Cindy

Then does that mean S2 atk buff is not accounted for either in her burst

[fluid patrol]

Unless ure talking about PvP bug.

[fluid patrol]

Correct.

[glacial flax]

that still doesn't help much

[fluid patrol]

But for the wrong reason.

[floral flicker]

Cindy gets her S1 max hp conversion

[glacial flax]

still worse dmg than pure hp scaling

[floral flicker]

Before hitting burst

[fluid patrol]

The right reason is because Burst Skill happens first before S2.

[floral flicker]

That is no PvP bug

[fluid patrol]

But two reasons.

Tbh.

[floral flicker]

Umm

Atk + 10% of hp
It seems like it does help

[fluid patrol]

Both are correct.

[valid furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/grok-grok-ai-grok-meme-grok-coin-grok-crypto-gif-4205448702140429152

[fluid patrol]

It's only 10% HP.

ATK doesn't count.

[floral flicker]

KR says otherwise

Can't you read

[fluid patrol]

Not only is ATK from S2 useless but it also triggers late and does not affect Burst Skill.

[floral flicker]

KR says it's 10% of hp buff on final atk

[fluid patrol]

EXCEPT.

EXCEPT.

If her Burst Skill is treated as updated dynamically.

[floral flicker]

But wait

@wild nebula does KR say the word final atk

[fluid patrol]

[spring siren]

-# EXCEPT,

[dreamy vessel]

I just want to say that I love the rogue/blanc/xmaiden/cindy team so much
covers damage, heals and cdr and leaves a single flex slot

[warped siren]

no

[stuck mango]

so skip them

[warped siren]

final is only on hp

[fluid patrol]

Game is not even out dear.

[noble spear]

Pull 1 copy?

[fluid patrol]

Thats something that needs testing.

[fluid patrol]

Hard to say now.

Id still say 3 copy.

[noble spear]

Eh

[spring siren]

C7 or brick

[noble spear]

I only go for 1 copy to stretch my stash

[humble rune]

look pretty mid to me

[errant gull]

what does your instinct say? oh wait a minute flora instinct flops

[wild nebula]

it dont, but auto attacks also omit final atk in their desc too

[fluid patrol]

Misunderstood the kit.

[valid furnace]

that's so dumb
like how did u even come to the idea that it could be atk + 10% hp

[floral flicker]

Show how mid

Bro I was getting mid as well

I swear

[fluid patrol]

We all have been deceived.

[valid furnace]

that's all i wanted to say since an hour earlier

[fluid patrol]

By poor wording.

[wild nebula]

#1314057598919774260 message

[humble rune]

between XGuillo and Shitlet

[floral flicker]

Isn't that how the 2b atk conversion works?

Base ATK + %ofhp as atk

[humble rune]

damn, nap time

[glacial flax]

using my cindy stats, 3mil hp, 75k base atk, 150k atk when split scaling
only hp: 13.728 x .1 x 3mil
split scaling: 13.728 x 150k + (.1 x 3mil)

about half

[fluid patrol]

Why not read JP

[valid furnace]

it's just 10% of HP as attack

the burst

wtf

how is that misleading

[wild nebula]

cus devs are korean

[valid furnace]

no

[fluid patrol]

Just read JP duh

[valid furnace]

just read english

[valid furnace]

that's atk conversion bonus

it's the same for cindy 2b and maiden S2

[charred blade]

@fluid patrolflora works with cindy too right?

[valid furnace]

atk + atk%HP

[warped siren]

jp is same as kr

[charred blade]

soo this sounds like a good combo

[fluid patrol]

Added.

[valid furnace]

get that google trans out of here

[wild nebula]

this is rouge EN all over again

[valid furnace]

Kilo had the exact same thing already

[wild nebula]

so both KR and JP says add

[wild nebula]

its different

#1314057598919774260 message

[fluid patrol]

Any1 got Kilo JP?

[valid furnace]

[modest token]

She seems to be the obvious better one in multiply field

[floral flicker]

Raon wants to kill en translators

[valid furnace]

i think EN is just right

[valid furnace]

they really add extra words to specifically say that

[wild nebula]

doubt

[fluid patrol]

I think EN may be right but KR/JP worded it badly, or EN is wrong.

[wild nebula]

you think devs got it wrong in their native language?
while dogshit EN got it right?

[valid furnace]

yes

[floral flicker]

Thank you for telling us that either kr, en, or JP are wrong

[fluid patrol]

Converted.

[floral flicker]

Nevermind the bottom text

[fluid patrol]

We need to know if the burst order remains the same.

After you know that she doesn't buff the team.

[valid furnace]

that's so dumb too

[golden sigil]

Maiden wont buff when she's bursting

This's kinda awkward

[valid furnace]

yea

that means only 2 stacks each burst if she burst alternately with cindy?

[floral flicker]

How did you guys even confirm this??

[floral flicker]

Yes

Rezagard was right all along

[fluid patrol]

Logic and video.

[floral flicker]

Bro the logic can be true both ways mfr

[floral flicker]

Send me video

[golden sigil]

Listen

[valid furnace]

from the wording but just waiting for testing now

[golden sigil]

She can only buff team when she gains MP

[fluid patrol]

No, the logic is biased to this conjecture.

[floral flicker]

I know
But how do you confirm that it doesn't go up to 3 when xmaiden bursts

[fluid patrol]

Because Burst Skill takes place before S1.

[wild nebula]

video only ever goes up to 2 stacks.
visually she only spawns 2 spears

[golden sigil]

When you use her burst, her MP goes to 0 -> You cant replenishes 1 MP from this skill

Cause using Burst Skill -> Full Burst

[floral flicker]

Why u guys keep bullying elysion

[golden sigil]

That's the order

[fluid patrol]

ShiftUp bullied us.

They intentionally made it wordy.

So we thought she'd be broken.

[errant gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847849721174556693/1314075757563215872/maidenngocok128.gif

[golden sigil]

Pressing burst skill -> MP goes to 0 -> can't get the condition ( Burst Skill > Full Burst ) -> Skill 2 buff team doesnt actiavte

[fluid patrol]

But can we still S9 Mirror?

Will she outsupport Naga?

[golden sigil]

So back to the old theorary

Maiden burst at the very end of the fight

Is the thing

[valid furnace]

that's dumb

[golden sigil]

So her S2 team buff can activate for whole fight

[fluid patrol]

Only if she is with other Electric DPS that deals more damage than her.

If she is solo, then she bursts.

[golden sigil]

she's with Cindy for sure

[errant gull]

Burst her after slippers fully went down

[fluid patrol]

Let me swap Cindy to Elysion. Hang on.

[golden sigil]

41% ele, 21%'s caster atk for Cindy for whole fight

OR

[glacial flax]

inb3 mp cap of less than 5

[formal junco]

I just comeback
So how Flora Maiden situation?

[fluid patrol]

The only question is: whether whole team gets more damage, or whether XMaiden gives more damage.

[glacial flax]

so even final burst strat is kinda ruined

[fluid patrol]

[glacial flax]

oh yeah, what was the deal with flora maiden

does flora not work bc maiden is worse than expected? or is there something about their synergy

[fluid patrol]

Dead because XMaiden is shit.

[golden sigil]

41% ele, 21% caster's atk for Cindy in 6 bursts, 31.68% ele 3.2% atk scale with max HP for Maiden in 6 bursts

[nimble violet]

Any B2 have 40sec go straight to bin

[glacial flax]

final burst also depends on how maiden burst calcs, if split then it's prob shit

[boreal moon]

just flora giving xmaiden free mp stacks

that was the cooking

[valid furnace]

what tf?

[golden sigil]

41% ele, 21%'s caster atk for Cindy for whole fight
41% ele, 21% caster's atk for Cindy in 6 bursts, 31.68% ele 3.2% atk scale with max HP for Maiden in 6 bursts

[formal junco]

So Maiden it's overhyped?

[misty yew]

Flora's treasure decrease cool down by 20s

[golden sigil]

This is depend on stategy

[errant gull]

Poor Ib Mei hope given hope taken in less than 1 hour of cope

[misty yew]

she is meta elysion we have been praying for

[valid furnace]

not

[fluid patrol]

Nevermind.

[golden sigil]

Im just comparing S2 first

[fluid patrol]

Forget it.

You can use her burst last.

[glacial flax]

the idea with final burst is to stack up mp so that you don't actually lose much maiden burst dmg, if at all

[misty yew]

she might or might not as strong as we wants, because her mechanism is not fully understand until further testing

but rest assure her dps is decent

[lilac flax]

Oh the old calcs thought XMaiden's burst still buffed the team?

No wonder bursting regularly was looking so competitive with only bursting at the end lol

[formal junco]

But it's not as great as everyone told before, which paired with Flora can make her busted?

[glacial flax]

her burst nuke dmg is about the same as if she bursts every other burst, except she only has to burst 1 time per fight

[misty yew]

who use Flora?

[valid furnace]

that's actually stupid

cuz its not

[misty yew]

would be busted if Flora nuts per 20s, not 40s

[fluid patrol]

So, Rouge goes beside XMaiden or beside SAnis.

[glacial flax]

she gains about 1 mp per burst regardless if she burst every other or never

assuming no cap

[fluid patrol]

[lilac flax]

XMaiden for sure lol

[formal junco]

Kisenix doomposting it man when Maiden kit announced, that Flora will make her busted

[lilac flax]

so she gets the HP Buff for her burst at the end

[floral flicker]

U lose out on personal damage, her autos become shit

[valid furnace]

1. she gain more stack if she burst repeatly
2. her burst enhance auto and S2 damage hugely

[lilac flax]

S.Anis doesn't care about HP and it's what, 5% DMG Bonus?

[golden sigil]

The advantaged of Maiden only burst 1 at the end of the fight is your 2nd Electric DPS can deal more DMG

[glacial flax]

yeah but you got another b3 to make up for it

[paper adder]

[golden sigil]

The disadvantage is her personal DMG goes lower

[paper adder]

where noir stare

[floral flicker]

That's the cope u have to live with

[paper adder]

[lilac flax]

Yeah just S.Anis burst until the final rotation

[glacial flax]

so you got 100% of each bursting b3's dmg, with like half of bursting maiden's dmg

[fluid patrol]

Hi austin

[glacial flax]

250% value instead of 200%

[golden sigil]

The advantaged of Maiden only burst 1 at the end of the fight is your 2nd Electric DPS can deal more DMG
The disadvantage is her personal DMG goes lower

[fluid patrol]

I need ur roast

[golden sigil]

Pin this @floral flicker

[fluid patrol]

I miss ur roasts

My life is empty now without u roasting me