[Grave] New Unit Megathread

[heavy belfry]

less dps

[slow orchid]

Naga is enough

[final moat]

What is that last part

[slow orchid]

And Mpriv needs Leona to ramp up stack faster

[heavy belfry]

remaining units

[slow orchid]

bench, alternative

[heavy belfry]

tia naga are situational now

unreal

[valid mesa]

Swap bunnies for JK maybe?

[slow orchid]

idts

[final moat]

How rlthere ypu put doro there

[slow orchid]

With Bunnies

your Mod/XLud can run infinite ammo

[valid mesa]

I'm saying stronger than blanc & noir

[slow orchid]

At least for XLud

Mod have to reload 1/2 times

[rare sandal]

I knew it exiatr better for cindy

[slow orchid]

Which is neccessary for MG

But well I will say

[fast ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-happy-doggy-swinging-swing-gif-26890359

[heavy belfry]

liter grave alice sbs mod
dwife mari rh ein max

should be better division

[slow orchid]

Have to wait for QTE DMG on phase 3

If we cant survive then have to chance some

[slow orchid]

You need Electric bro

It's for this raid

[celest sky]

why u releasing your team

omg

[rare sandal]

The fuck is mod supposed to do

[celest sky]

[heavy belfry]

ooohh

[celest sky]

ive been theorycrafting team for SR this came up with the split

[rare sandal]

Liter Grave SBS Alice Naga

[heavy belfry]

doubt he has competition in SR knowing he won like 90% of all SRs

[celest sky]

Naga SG team

[rare sandal]

[rare sandal]

U have PrivM

[slow orchid]

Naga needs shielder

[hollow vortex]

is this some PC shit? being able to activate your bursts that fast? I swear on mobile it's a solid like half a sec between each burst phase

[rare sandal]

You dont burst with her.

[celest sky]

so much options now

[dense pendant]

means so much bad cook poisoning us

[celest sky]

💀

something smells burnt

this kinda fck

[dense pendant]

i think it's fine to say Grave is crown tier buffer for SR tho

[celest sky]

needing electric on teams

yea she is

[slow orchid]

Naga in SG comp as DPS and healer

[celest sky]

ye Naga is good on SG team

[slow orchid]

and most important

she's electric

[dense pendant]

sg already have mpriv as elec

[slow orchid]

2>1

[dense pendant]

just go blanc noir mpriv

[celest sky]

its more of we have lots of options now

i think it will vary per account

[slow orchid]

[frigid dragon]

what are you trying to say then

[celest sky]

welp

[slow orchid]

night

[rare sandal]

Excuse me whats Rouge supposed to do there

[celest sky]

we need to see how strong is the lightning

on behemoth

[slow orchid]

bro do you really need to ask

[celest sky]

smh Coach

i look up to you

dont ask questions you know the answer of

[rare sandal]

No its pointless just use Dolla

[frigid dragon]

remind me why you have to mention that in a gacha game server

🤡

[celest sky]

[slow orchid]

huh?

You're throwing a CDR/buffer for Cindy

[slow orchid]

What are you trying to say

[onyx crown]

[rare sandal]

Rouge does nothing if u use Exia's Burst, unless u dont use Exia's Burst?

[slow orchid]

I dont understand

No

[onyx crown]

bitch pls now that I remember

[slow orchid]

I dont use Exia burst

[onyx crown]

[slow orchid]

Exia offburst buffer/DPS

[rare sandal]

[dense pendant]

alternate burst exia?

[slow orchid]

i dont think it's good

[rare sandal]

Time to bring the math

[slow orchid]

Still need Rouge burst for Cindy's norm atk

[rare sandal]

Ok so

[slow orchid]

Rouge has this too

Even it doesnt do that much

but a dmg is a dmg

everything counted

[slow orchid]

[onyx crown]

[rare sandal]

Cindy's attack in that comp is 100 + 68.74 + 64.51 + 36.24 + her S2

Ignoring rouge

Very close to 400%

So Exia burst 18% damage taken = 72% atk buff

And Rouge is still higher ok

[dense pendant]

look at all these mortals using Exia

[rare sandal]

[dense pendant]

i just skip her

[rare sandal]

Permabricked same as me

[dense pendant]

i just bricked up and couldnt doll her in time for SR
next SR for sure

[rare sandal]

@slow orchid

Misclick

Mb

[slow orchid]

i didnt see anything

[rare sandal]

I said i misclick

@dense pendant

If u use 2 CDRs cant u have 15 full burst

[dense pendant]

yes

Liter Grave RH Maxwell Shelm on Ultra

is perfect

@prime moat why dont u try it my love?

[prime moat]

[dense pendant]

im at work for another 7 hours

[prime moat]

ok dont expect much from my RH, she's not that great

[dense pendant]

tbh i feel like it'll brick up maxwell cleave timing?

no shield to tank the poison is fked too

[slow orchid]

i can do this

let me try

[rare sandal]

I think Crown last spot better

We need new iron so i can use rh b1

[prime moat]

yea I cant do it, Liter cover not repair fast enough, died 30s left

also I still dunno how to do the perma core Ultra

[thin viper]

Any bug in Grave?

[dense pendant]

basically just do more damage lol

[heavy belfry]

@rare sandal u free rn?

[rare sandal]

No

[rigid wyvern]

@heavy belfry go wild

Lemme see what u got

[heavy belfry]

Uhh

we did

above

lemme finish some stuff up and then get back here with a short note review like i do usualyl

#1299716274670010399 message

@rigid wyvern

[rigid wyvern]

Hmmm

As expected

Time to go all in on Fire

Later I'll see how she performs on Indivilia

[slow orchid]

Không khỏe hơn Crown Naga đâu em

[rigid wyvern]

1 v 2 sao đc man

Nma e coi bên JP r

[thin viper]

When you have Crown, you can still get Grave for raid purpose

[rigid wyvern]

Crown > Grave mà

[slow orchid]

Grave + B3 < Crown Naga

[thin viper]

if you don't care, skip

[slow orchid]

Căn bản là core dmg nó quá mạnh

Nếu như con Indi bỏ core + nerf def đi thì Grave xài được

[thin viper]

Rule 2. English Only

[rigid wyvern]

E test với mấy con Pierce là chính thôi. Không mong đợi stage 9 Indivilia lel

Grave - Alice - Asuka

[thin viper]

English only, you guys can dm each other...

[heavy belfry]

oi oi oi

[slow orchid]

[rigid wyvern]

[thin willow]

How is everyone's testing going

[thin viper]

When you have Crown, you can still get Grave for raid purpose

Grave buff a little bit better only for fire NIKKE

[thin willow]

How is she with my Girl Asuka

[thin viper]

#1299716274670010399 message

[thin willow]

I dont care about alice, I asked about Asuka

[dense pendant]

good

[slow orchid]

Nah Grave is too bad on Ultra @dense pendant

[dense pendant]

thanks for testing

[slow orchid]

DMG is still good

but cant survive

[dense pendant]

shield is too good for ultra

[green arrow]

which ai bosses don’t need shield?

[tropic sleet]

Shield is best dmg buff.
If u die you deal 0 dmg.
Shield prevent death therefore shield is best dmg buff

[green arrow]

harvester?

[dense pendant]

Indi, harvester MC

[heavy belfry]

Harvester units don't pierce tho

So grave LLL

[mighty kiln]

[shadow topaz]

whats the reccomended skill lvl and ol?

[green arrow]

as a support buffer only, 7/4/10
if you care about her personal damage 7/10/10

7/10/10 though better be reserved for fire weak raids to come

along with ele+atk rolls on ol

i still don’t think s1 holds value

enough to be level 10

[shadow topaz]

well my initial ol rolls weren't very lucky

how is crit on her?

[green arrow]

crit damage is fine, crit rate is useless because of her burst

[steady aspen]

[thin viper]

ATK and crit dmg are fine for her/

[shadow topaz]

ok thx, so the helmet is also a complete reroll

at least I got lucky on the doll, sr 15 with 250 blue, 70 purple and 2 gold

[steady aspen]

what skill recs do i go

@rare sandal

baldsenix

[slow orchid]

7/7/10

7/10/10 if u have books

[mighty mist]

ya imma 7710

[green arrow]

well tbf crit as a whole is meh stat. maybe she can use 1-2 hitrate for more consistent core hit. so something like 4 ed 4 atk 1 ammo 2 hitrate 1 crit damage for a 12/12 grave

[shadow topaz]

[heavy belfry]

4/4/7 -> 7/4/10 -> 10/7/10 -> 10/10/10

[mighty kiln]

[heavy belfry]

Recommended OL lines:

• 4 ele
• 4 atk
• 4 crit damage

Acceptable: hitrate. Hitrate is ok if its on 3rd line and u have 2 good lines, especially ele, on same piece alrdy, not worth rolling off

not acceptable: crit rate, charge speed, charge damage, def, ammo

Note that grave's DPS is that of a sub DPS, and not like a main DPS such as xLudmilla or Modernia. Hence rerolling her ol gear is of lower priority

[mighty kiln]

no charge dmg huh

[mighty mist]

cdmg is acceptible for graves?

[heavy belfry]

yeah

[mighty mist]

that's gud

[dense pendant]

crit damage is roughly the same value as atk on her

[heavy belfry]

What

Hmm that makes it tough

[dense pendant]

this was with the original Liter grave asuka alice mod

[heavy belfry]

Is ammo better or cdmg

[dense pendant]

ammo do nothing

[heavy belfry]

Why

OHHH

Fuck

I forgot

[dense pendant]

she doesnt even attack off burst even once

[heavy belfry]

I'm sorry

[heavy belfry]

Ok then

[dense pendant]

hit rate is hard to quantify + being situational

still a good line tho

[sonic juniper]

Damn more bug

[heavy belfry]

What bug

[green arrow]

https://youtu.be/jekID5_17Ok

[fleet spoke]

I had to ticket her

173 pulls not enough

[glad stag]

60 pulls no grave

was hoping for one copy and the rest will be tickets

seems my luck ran out from cindy

so i did use 800 tix

ran out of mats but i did alr full OL her

did 7-7-10 skills

[heavy belfry]

this is her mlb??????????

THIS IS HER MLB????

[glad stag]

yes

[green arrow]

yes it's shit

[heavy belfry]

bruh

[glad stag]

didnt expect this mlb tbh

[heavy belfry]

i need funding

its over

[mighty mist]

yes

[heavy belfry]

[dense pendant]

?

[coarse gust]

Thats art

[mighty mist]

she's worth mlb for lobby

[heavy belfry]

bro this is fucked up

[glad stag]

im like thinking my life decisions

[heavy belfry]

same

[glad stag]

i did spend 800 tix for graves mlb wallpaper

[dense pendant]

i think u got it wrong
there's nothing u can do to keep her stack through the next bursts

[heavy belfry]

I hope i can actually stangle myself for spending mileage on rumani

[heavy belfry]

there is

[glad stag]

[heavy belfry]

watch vid

[dense pendant]

tell me

[heavy belfry]

stay in shooting pose while bursting

shoot air if u have to

dont go into reload animation

pause and check

fund my grave mlb please

[dense pendant]

wdym
it force u reload after burst end

[green arrow]

[twin ingot]

I C7'd Grave

[green arrow]

they want a muscular girl getting drenched in the rain

[heavy belfry]

ARE YOU BLIND

man i need grave mlb

[green arrow]

not my cup of tea

but sure you do you

[mighty mist]

he's blind

[heavy belfry]

yall crazy man

[sonic juniper]

Nah

[twin ingot]

Grave should be there then

[heavy belfry]

this is the epitome of sex

y

[mighty mist]

wait snek now abandoned modernia?

[green arrow]

snek has extreme adhd

can't focus on a character for long

[glad stag]

[green arrow]

my pfp will stay quency until I die

[coarse gust]

[exotic sun]

Prydwen not paying u enough

[green arrow]

she'll also stay in lobby until the end of time

[rare sandal]

7~10 4~10 7~10

1st one depends on team speed

Just upgrade as needed

[heavy belfry]

||never was ||

[coarse gust]

I killed SSakura for Grave, they both have shiet OLs

[heavy belfry]

next raid wind weak so u have to reinvest

[glad stag]

same

7 - 4/7 - 10

[coarse gust]

Invest into the next wind dps meta, Ssakura benched to t4-5

[glad stag]

[heavy belfry]

s1 gives no damage buffs

so 8

so 7**'

s2 and b give damage buffs

so 10

s2 is self buffs

so can keep it at 7

7/7/10 is the recommended build

Snake certified build

[glad stag]

you can keep s2 at 4 tho

[heavy belfry]

💯

idk i just base it on feel

lemme check

[glad stag]

s2 lvl 7 for self dps

[coarse gust]

we have not see any end buid Grave today

where are the 80 ed 40 atk at

[heavy belfry]

need to wait for cento or momo or shino to test

go momo

spend 40 rocks

cindy gacha is here

wait

gacha dont give rocks anymo

[thin viper]

[coarse gust]

no you wait for

Lim

from DonDon guild

[thin viper]

you can buy rocks btw

[heavy belfry]

they no share publicly

[thin viper]

go momo
work, get money
buy 40 rocks

[coarse gust]

just camp bili and see if s9 indi clear

[thin viper]

or rob a bank, i don't judge

[glad stag]

29.8 atk
23.56 ele

[heavy belfry]

anyways momo if no one gets to 8 points on giveaway can u fund my grave mlb so i can one hand gameplay on nikke again

[heavy belfry]

2 atk 1 ele?

[coarse gust]

i have a lots of blackmail on you so

[heavy belfry]

or 3 atk?

[glad stag]

3x atk 1 ele

[heavy belfry]

oi

[heavy belfry]

[glad stag]

1 atk has low roll

5%

so goofy

i realized i have 11% crit rate

lma

lmao

[heavy belfry]

wow

wrong unit for crit line

[twin ingot]

Oh right, I still have bundles to buy. I can potentially improve Grave more when I get home

[slow orchid]

@heavy belfry

Do you know what truely is reload ratio

[coarse gust]

the best i saw so far is from kigit, and its like at 40%/end build

[twin ingot]

I have 75% ele 10% atk

[heavy belfry]

reduces amount of ammo reloaded, right?

[slow orchid]

I don't understand why Grave has to reload 4 times when the ratio is 50%

[coarse gust]

60%

[heavy belfry]

umm

hmm

[slow orchid]

If u have 60 base ammo

[heavy belfry]

i didnt test this

[slow orchid]

You should have 30 ammo in a clip

And reload 2 times

[heavy belfry]

does someone else know

speak

[slow orchid]

But I tested and Grave reloaded 4 times

[twin ingot]

Yeah, I thought the 15 was going to be low level scaling

[slow orchid]

15 per time

[heavy belfry]

there should be an ingame description

show

[twin ingot]

My Grave has a black line and reloads 28

[heavy belfry]

what it is

[slow orchid]

No

They dont show Reload Ratio

It's not orange

[twin ingot]

Reloads 25%

[heavy belfry]

what

tf

[twin ingot]

JP had orange on jpeg

[slow orchid]

The reload ratio affect max ammo too

[twin ingot]

I'll check ingame

[slow orchid]

But it's 1/4

Not /2

[thin viper]

wait, bug?

or her skill work intended?

[slow orchid]

If it's 1/4 then it's nice since you can keep Overheat I permanent

I just confuse why it's 4 times reload when the ratio is 50%

[green arrow]

they probably applied the 50% twice

[heavy belfry]

id ur skill lv10?

[thin viper]

SU with a weird logic...

[slow orchid]

7/7/10

[thin viper]

what is grave's skill 1 lv 7? 50% reload?

[green arrow]

it's 50% at level 1

[heavy belfry]

bruh

[heavy belfry]

without any burst

at the start of the stage

[thin viper]

so it fixed

[heavy belfry]

does grave take 2 reloads or 1 reload?

like when u start

check pls

[thin viper]

her reload should be always 50% no matter what

[slow orchid]

It only affects when u'r in HE

HE takes effect after burst ends

So only after burst ends

[heavy belfry]

i wanna check if grave base reload is such that she reloads 30 ammo

[twin ingot]

Oh wait, it's the heat emission part that's orange

[slow orchid]

Okay u'r right

Base 50% lmao

[heavy belfry]

good

no bug

[twin ingot]

Because weapon is cooling down

[slow orchid]

But the game doesnt say anything

[twin ingot]

Needs more time until firing

[heavy belfry]

its intended design bro

it makes sense

yes

[twin ingot]

Yes

[heavy belfry]

it makes sense

lol

why are u guys mad

[green arrow]

no it doesn't

[twin ingot]

Then 25% for four reloads effectively

[slow orchid]

LMAO

[green arrow]

if it's to make s2 uptime better

just make the base reload ratio 99%

instead of 50%

[thin viper]

Don't blame SU, they are not known for best writing...

[slow orchid]

Her design

To make Overheat I online permanently

[heavy belfry]

why does it matter when she is getting into full burst within 2 seconds
in good teams she cant even empty her 1st 15 bullets lmfao

[twin ingot]

Should have been put in the blue text by core damage

[slow orchid]

U take 4 times to fully reload

That means u have more time

To get into full burst again before fully reload

She can keep Overheat I

[heavy belfry]

click here and show what it says

[slow orchid]

To get in II and III faster

Read her S2

Overheat I

[heavy belfry]

yep

[slow orchid]

Remove when reload to max ammo

[heavy belfry]

maybe mentioning it wouldnt have been the worst thin

but its fine

intended design

[slow orchid]

So Grave min max is just pair her with SR

[twin ingot]

Mhm

[heavy belfry]

@rare sandal read above here, imp info

[slow orchid]

She's really born for SR

She helps SRs

SRs help her

[twin ingot]

And Mod

[slow orchid]

I'n just confuse the clip reload thing

[vapid zenith]

Hmm

[twin ingot]

Sub-1s burst gen

[vapid zenith]

Can we go on twitter and like

Force the devs to buff Grave too

[slow orchid]

So Grave gameplay is

Just burst assap

That's it

[heavy belfry]

shino why are top players not mad

1% banner on anniv and it isnt supa strong

[slow orchid]

She's strong as a supporter

On her role

[heavy belfry]

crown better

[slow orchid]

I can match dmg with Crown on Ultra

[vapid zenith]

Anni unit
Not SSS tier

[heavy belfry]

uhh u can

[vapid zenith]

Mid

[slow orchid]

But she doesnt have shielding or healing

That's why Crown is better

[heavy belfry]

just make her burst values 2×

isnt that what they usually do

[brittle scarab]

Explain to me like I'm a complete noob. (I am noob). Why does SR help her?

[vapid zenith]

I swear nikke devs dont even play the game

[heavy belfry]

fast burst gen

[brittle scarab]

ahh, to just burst asap all the time

[heavy belfry]

u want to get to next burst super fast

[slow orchid]

Sniper Rifle = fast burst gen = keep her S2 alive for whole fight

[heavy belfry]

and hence u give her infinite ammo

with 0 reload

liter volume are best fits for her

[brittle scarab]

I see

[slow orchid]

I just didn't know the clip reload thing

Mtfk doesnt show any description about this

[green arrow]

now how to fit her into a team for behemoth assuming behemoth isn't a snoozefest solo raid

[heavy belfry]

if i get grave will u fund the last 2 copies

[slow orchid]

RH/Alice/SW

[green arrow]

where healer? helm?

[slow orchid]

SW dead cause not many parts

[heavy belfry]

rh sw or alice sbs
pick yo poison and add naga as electric for heals

[slow orchid]

Alice need Mari for qte

[green arrow]

i feel like behemoth will actually do damage

[slow orchid]

She will

It's even worse

Dmg pierce cover

On phase 3 QTE

[green arrow]

so far only tiga, blanc, crown

[heavy belfry]

no tiga

we have better spots than tia

[slow orchid]

If qte dmg wont be crazy

[coarse gust]

free 10 pulls, mlb Grave now @heavy belfry

[slow orchid]

Just bench

[heavy belfry]

man i have to save

[slow orchid]

I put her there so I can easy find her

[heavy belfry]

i dont wanna spend my own money on this game anymo

[slow orchid]

Not have to scroll down like crazy

[heavy belfry]

ill get her gacha skin or normal skin next anniv

or whenever it drops

[slow orchid]

Maybe I should make one

SR units only

[slow orchid]

Wait where's the GA

[heavy belfry]

its over now

on pryd server

[slow orchid]

Wow

U should

" Shinonono, there'a a GA"

" come join "

Not like

" it's over "

[heavy belfry]

we pinged every1 with nikke role on pryd server
shouldve been there

[slow orchid]

Im not in server

Where link

[onyx crown]

damn a lot of yapping

[heavy belfry]

.gg/prydwen

[pure meadow]

should i try to get one copy?

[heavy belfry]

Yes

[pure meadow]

i got her from one of my pulls

[thin viper]

30 pulls, nothing...

[pure meadow]

cinderella as well this is so awesome

[thin viper]

Should I just use mileage?

I have exactly 200

[pure meadow]

i used mileage for cinderella and sbs

[heavy belfry]

what if u wanna mlb

and have 40 pulls total with 160 mileage

[pure meadow]

i guess try both

i did that with my cinderella and one copy

[sonic juniper]

Just pull

[rare sandal]

I dont think it's perfectly good

[thin viper]

My f2p friends got lucky and MLB Cinder, but he just said he lost to obtain Grave as gems run out.

[sonic juniper]

He chased mlb so that's a consequence ymhe has to take

[thin viper]

noooo

[coarse gust]

meta comp no cap

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352975182065041410/1111202186274283610/wok.gif

[thin viper]

Someone spent 400 pulls and no Grave on discord NIKKE...

and cried about it

[misty sparrow]

Tickets and done

||niche boss unit||

[thin viper]

Yeah, I'm gonna ticket her as well

spent 50 pulls, no luck

[coarse gust]

Very good campaign unit by herself with the shred

SS

And the burst gauge is insane

[vernal star]

i remember posting a Dorothy pic everytime someone complained about not getting a unit..

[vernal star]

Ah here it is lol

[peak mural]

how good is she ?

[heavy belfry]

lookin like a

SS SS SS A

[onyx crown]

A B S

[heavy belfry]

[boreal quail]

so graves bad?

[tidal pendant]

terrible

must pull

[brazen flint]

Quick question, pull grave?

[brazen flint]

Thanks

wait what is she even good for

[devout wren]

pierce teams

[brazen flint]

So alice redhood

[devout wren]

so you can use crown in others

and some more i dont remember rn

[brazen flint]

Damn it redhood

[devout wren]

but ye

[brazen flint]

Ight

Thanks

[devout wren]

but she is bugged

or not

we dont know

[tidal pendant]

Asuka

[devout wren]

but you have to burst while not reloading

if not you lose overheat

[devout wren]

true

[brazen flint]

So need to manual? Bruh

[devout wren]

i mean

probably they are gonna fix

like cinde

i suppose

[brazen flint]

So thats the bug

I suppose

Thanks

[devout wren]

xd

we dont know if is intended or not

rn

[brazen flint]

Lesgoo got her

[devout wren]

XDDDDDDD

wtf

firt multi?

[brazen flint]

Yea

120 pulls on cindy no ssr

[vernal star]

F

[devout wren]

i got both in 120 + rh in first multis so pretty god acc start

and got liter from standard election

[brazen flint]

Cindy banner cursed lol

[dense pendant]

need to manual burst gen to burst faster
which you should do anyways

[vernal star]

Election

[brazen flint]

With alice yea ofcourse

[brazen flint]

Wtf

[dense pendant]

grave gameplay is just to not play her

[devout wren]

one thing going for mlb pilgrim its trolling if i didnt get past 160 wall? i could try to go for cindy

[brazen flint]

So need to manual

[devout wren]

i have 25000 gems and a lot of things to get

[brazen flint]

Grave skill priority?

[dense pendant]

yes

7 4 10 to 10 7 10

low/ high invest

[brazen flint]

thanks

[dense pendant]

it's likely not a bug

[brazen flint]

Huh

[dense pendant]

this

[brazen flint]

Oh ye

So when need to burst switch to grave?

[vernal star]

Pins says otherwise???

[heavy belfry]

Yeah I lied

[vernal star]

[brazen flint]

Lol

[mint tendon]

I feel like s2 kind of waste the best part not active most of the time

[brazen flint]

@dense pendant

[heavy belfry]

Ok fixed

[slow orchid]

No

Just spam with Sniper Rifle

U will get into full burst before she finish reloading

[brazen flint]

Heh

Alright then

Thanks

[heavy belfry]

What about le bug

[heavy belfry]

I mean ig that's only her self dps

She can suck it

[slow orchid]

Wdym bug ?

[slow orchid]

The thing we talked earlier ?

[brazen flint]

Doll important or nahhh

[vernal star]

Doll important for any new Nikke regardless

That will be used in raids

[devout wren]

https://youtu.be/jekID5_17Ok?si=q40YPsXD75j8o96T the bug im talking about is this one

i dk if there is another

[slow orchid]

It's not a bug

[brazen flint]

Thanks

[devout wren]

its intended no?

[heavy belfry]

Why

[slow orchid]

LOL i though we talked earlier about this already bro

[dense pendant]

it could be a bug
cuz she didnt technically full reload

technically

[devout wren]

xdd

[slow orchid]

Overheat only removed when u full reload

Grave is clip reload

[brazen flint]

Cube?

[slow orchid]

U get into full burst before fully reload = Overheat still there

[slow orchid]

Reload ratio = amount ammo u reload

Grave is clip reload, she reloads twice with 60 ammo

[devout wren]

yep it has sense

[slow orchid]

30 ammo per reload

Reload ratio down 50% = 25%

With 60 ammo she reloads 4 times

That's enough time to get into next full burst

Before finish reloading

[dense pendant]

no

the bug talking about is Grave losing overheat I when reenter burst

[dense pendant]

this is fine

[slow orchid]

Do u have vid

[dense pendant]

no?

[devout wren]

we are not talking about the same thing?

[dense pendant]

i watched the first 10s but i think thats the one

[heavy belfry]

Ahh ok yeah

I understand now

[devout wren]

but you lose overheat if you enter burst

reloading

[heavy belfry]

To put it in kisenix words when he was scolding me

[devout wren]

or thats what i understand

[heavy belfry]

BECAUSE THE INFINITE AMMO BUFF INSTANTLY FINISHES UR RELOAD ANIMATION

And hence it counts as full reload

[dense pendant]

TECHNICALLY ITS NOT RELOAD

[heavy belfry]

Hence fulfilling the "reach max ammo" condition

[heavy belfry]

Yeah it might be bugged but the logic of what is happening

This is what is happening

[dense pendant]

i know

[brazen flint]

What cube does grave need/use

[coral quarry]

Prydwen misinfo again

[slow orchid]

Did u guys bring Resilience

[heavy belfry]

Resil definitely

[brazen flint]

Hmm ight

[heavy belfry]

In case of slow teams especially, You can get to keep grave's buff

[dense pendant]

[heavy belfry]

Need to swap to her to shoot with her tho after she's done reloading

[dense pendant]

trolling

[devout wren]

okay

[heavy belfry]

Wait, why

She doesn't get buffed from anything else

[dense pendant]

bastion should definitely safer

[random monolith]

she good?

[dense pendant]

just as stat stick

[devout wren]

ou wrong chat

[heavy belfry]

In case this "bug" persists

Getting faster reload to save the 1.25s to restack this buff definitely more worth, no?

[dense pendant]

you lose the burst gen buff when u full reload

[heavy belfry]

No, u lose it if you reload to full or if you shoot during her reloading

[slow orchid]

Pls guys tmr is SR

Dont let them cancel again

[heavy belfry]

When u have 0 ammo u can just hold and shoot and you won't "shoot while reloading"

[dense pendant]

mildly confused

[heavy belfry]

I've turned off game for now will show at reset

[vernal star]

No let them cancel a 2nd time and get freebies

[brazen flint]

Guys i need help

I use liter grave alice asuka and mod right

But then

I feel slow

[dense pendant]

if all of units happens to reload when full burst end then that happens

[brazen flint]

huh

Pretty niceeee

I prolly need more ammo on my alice

12 per reload

But liter is a bit behind

Is it normal

[ornate sand]

is she the best pilgrim support rn?
as in do all my pilgrim support gears go to her?

[peak mural]

nah, that's Crown

[mighty mist]

crown is best def

so best support is grave

[rigid wyvern]

@dense pendant how is a 4atk 4ele 2ammo 2hit Grave works for you?

Can assume all blue

Or all black should you want

[gaunt dawn]

60 pulls and got 1

[dense pendant]

4 atk 4 ele is great
2 hit rate is great for Indi
2 ammo is dead stat

[rigid wyvern]

2ammo just for placeholder

[dense pendant]

but 10/12 is amazing lol

[rigid wyvern]

I could consider crit

[dense pendant]

dont think u need to touch her again

[rigid wyvern]

So just assuming the things I want for her eh

[dense pendant]

you could but better to minmax someone else by that point

[rigid wyvern]

Could u put that in the sheets?

[dense pendant]

remember still a sub dps
her ceiling is lower

[rigid wyvern]

I wanna see the simul

[rigid wyvern]

Yes boss

[dense pendant]

how much hit rate u have rn?

[rigid wyvern]

23%

Or you can go for 13,93% x 2

Just 2 hit

[dense pendant]

that's 5% difference...

well doesnt matter

[rigid wyvern]

It's hit after all

Not much diff

[dense pendant]

ye

[fast vigil]

Is Grave a must have?

And does she hard to use?

[keen surge]

CDR/Grave/SW/MW/filler

will the above team work with grave? Or is the pierce damage buff bad on units such as SW and MW who focus on parts+body pierces

or do you just have to fit her in with RH team and be done with it

[dense pendant]

something like this

from 4 atk 2 hit rate 0 crit damge to 4 atk 2 hit rate 2 crit damage
i didnt include ele but ele is pretty straight forward

[fast vigil]

Fuck, the story 2 banner fucking spoiled me

[dense pendant]

must have if you dont have crown yet

if you already have crown, still a really good pull for raid contents

easy to use

[fast vigil]

I have Crown, but no Mari

[fast vigil]

So her priority goes down?

[dense pendant]

well yes

but raid is fun

yeah for campaign purposes crown dominates

for interception crown also mostly dominates

just know that grave is mainly a raid unit

[untold crag]

😮

[dense pendant]

bro

that's huge

lol

[untold crag]

up lol

yup *

[dense pendant]

just keep that piece forever

[gaunt dawn]

why are you rerolling for grave now

[untold crag]

ye not touching it lol

values can go up but lol

cuz I have a lot of stones lol

cindy is done

no one else needs it

[dense pendant]

that's triple lvl 11 value what the hell

[gaunt dawn]

no Ein?

[untold crag]

ein is done mostly ye

by done I dont mean perfect

but I dont plan on investing more

[gaunt dawn]

ok sorry just ignore me

[sterile ingot]

do we know how much benefit we have from more copies on graves vs. keeping her lb0

[gaunt dawn]

her team buff doesn't scale with her stat, but dupes will help her to do more personal damage

[dense pendant]

more personal damage

which is.... not that much lol

cough

on neutral

[cyan turret]

Why ammo not recommended again?

[dense pendant]

cuz she has infinite ammo 95% of the time
the other 5% she spend reloading

[cyan turret]

i see i see

[rigid wyvern]

Not bad ngl

[misty sparrow]

4/4/7 good enough

Now I can build my rouge

At least 7/7/7

[signal cosmos]

Is it normal that I have been playing the game for over a year and I still dont understand one single word on that parragraph?
No wonder my name is in white letters....

[sterile ingot]

thanks

[sterile ingot]

thanks

[twin ingot]

Could end up good, but issue is that SW is mainly anti-electric now, which means that filler is S Helm. Using Grave would result in no healer

We have enough DPS units that brute forcing neutral with SW is significantly less viable unless boss has clumped/regenerating parts/core

usually SG comp does it better

[dense pendant]

Im I schizo or it's not really much faster guys?

ok it's faster

[twin ingot]

Doesn't help that pierce sucks vs Armstrong

[dense pendant]

it's 0.5s faster only so a bit unoticeable

but it adds up for sure

more than 5s plus full burst time at the end

[fleet spoke]

Can i use her in campaign

I need a fire nikke for campaign

[dense pendant]

you can but crown naga is a strong competiter

[fleet spoke]

Even for fire weak?

[dense pendant]

yea

[misty sparrow]

Crown+naga and asuka/mod, Alice for fire stages

[willow mountain]

We gotta fear the day CoroNa gets powecrept

[misty sparrow]

???

[woeful gate]

Spanish for crown (corona) + first two letters of naga

CoroNa

[misty sparrow]

[green arrow]

2025

[rare sandal]

more noticeable with Asuka and Mod

SBS has no burst gen

neither is Liter

neither is Privaty

funnily

Grave is better with highest burst gen team obviously

[dense pendant]

[modest cairn]

after playing and gooning to grave for 4 hours, I can safely confirm that Grave is a SSS Unit

[misty sparrow]

SSS gooning, nice

[modest cairn]

Grave is pure sexo, anyone who disagree can feel free to put their opinion into a suggestion box, decent damage buff+pure sexo=SSSS Tier

[gaunt dawn]

we can't have her S1 and Burst pierce buffs simultaneously?

[coarse gust]

Just a specific late game case that few know whats going on, its no big deal, or either i was yapping non sense and the grammar is not good

[gaunt dawn]

oh, the description says she loses heat emission when she uses Burst
SU is trolling me

[fleet spoke]

I 10/10/10 her and cindy but have no use for her she is now like doro doing nothing

[fast vigil]

Best opinion, her abs makes me acting up, my morning wood becomes daily wood because of glazing her abs, biceps, triceps, thighs

[modest cairn]

the best part is the sweat(?) on her abs, i wanna lick em

[fast vigil]

And those scars

[willow mountain]

come on, you should have known that

[misty sparrow]

[magic prism]

say if I want to maximizing Grave supporting capabilities, I should go for 7/4/10?
because other than the first 4 initial OL, I want to focus building Ein and Sanis first to push 32H boss

[dense pendant]

10 4 10 for max support

7 temporarily is fine tho

[magic prism]

oof, kinda expensive
I guess I'll settle with 7 first. maybe I'll come back to grave when it's fire weak raid again

[true meteor]

Could I have the link for this? Is there complete spreadsheet for min max like this?

[coarse gust]

Its not good to min max on that, its just a sweet treat for regular yappers. Reality the OL disparity will flip those numbers around alot

Better min max on team synergy

[frank silo]

just min max on irl luck stat

[supple fern]

do you really need s1 invest?

isn't it basically just for faster burst gen

[winged swan]

Fiddle sticks

[supple fern]

the pierce dmg will be active for like a split sec if that

[valid mesa]

Pierce DMG should be active for ~4 seconds

Not really a high priority since that's an off-burst buff tho

E.g. do you really care how much damage your RH or Alice deal outside of burst?

[supple fern]

with the increased gen it's prob less than 4

[valid mesa]

Burst cooldowns still a limitation

[supple fern]

with cdr that shouldn't be a big issue, max cdr dkw has like 1 sec cd in a fire team

liter it should be none

[mint tendon]

Its not that pierce damage
The more burst gauge filling speed one that matter you can squeeze every burst 0.xx second for more burst at the end

[valid mesa]

Liter should have roughly 2 seconds cooldown once ramped

[twin ingot]

Aside from second and third burst, there's no cooldown with Liter

[valid mesa]

???

[twin ingot]

cuz Liter has the strongest CDR in the game one she's stacked

[valid mesa]

Isn't Liter 8 seconds CDR

8.3ish

[green arrow]

yea 8-ish

[supple fern]

it's 28% to 38% from lvl 4 to 10, does that really make much of a diff

[green arrow]

1-1.2 seconds to fill bar

[valid mesa]

Oh I see, yeah I'm counting bar filling

Since question is how long is Grave S1 active per rotation

[twin ingot]

Practically non-existent

[valid mesa]

Answer is 2-4 seconds depending on CDR

[twin ingot]

S1 pierce bonus should be ignored

[green arrow]

exactly, imo it's not worth going for 10

level 7 should be around 31% bar fill

out of the 35% at level 10

[mint tendon]

This

[valid mesa]

Honestly just raise to 4 and see if that's enough

No need to overcap on burstgen

[supple fern]

depending on your b1 and comp, even the burst gen won't help

my maxed dkw gens faster than cdr

[twin ingot]

Yeah, DKW/Rouge lose to Grave

[valid mesa]

S1 is really there for fire team

[twin ingot]

But what's cool is that Liter actually makes up lost time from her initial slow CDR when paired with Grave

[valid mesa]

Asuka/Rei/Modernia

[twin ingot]

so you don't lose bursts

[supple fern]

so the s1 is mainly just for liter teams

bc with rouge and dkw it might as well be useless

[twin ingot]

Yup

[heavy belfry]

I can see grave being usable in campaign situationally

[valid mesa]

I mean the meta B3 are all piercers

So Grave is in a good place as far as campaign goes

[supple fern]

I prob won't build her for dmg for a while, too expensive for a niche unit, plus I ain't farming indi anyway

will just focus on burst lvl and that's like it

[valid mesa]

Yeah I'm leaving her 1/1/1 until after this electric soloraid lol

Got other Nikke to invest in

[supple fern]

I'd sooner invest in rei (who I resetted recently)

my asuka isn't maxed either

grave is quite low on prio list

[strong sable]

what cube for grave?

[twin ingot]

Assault

[valid mesa]

Hit rate cube is theoretical best

Just give her bastion

[twin ingot]

If using for element, yeah, use Bastion cuz higher level

[valid mesa]

Not resilience if you need the S1 burst gen buff

[winged swan]

How bricked am i if i don't manage to get her

[twin ingot]

Do you have all/most other Nikkes?

Most importantly, do you have Crown?

[winged swan]

Ofc

[supple fern]

mari?

[twin ingot]

Then you won't be bricked

[valid mesa]

Honestly I'd say, did you get Mari?

[twin ingot]

Grave is a strong addition to the roster, but she's in no way mandatory

[winged swan]

Nah I didn't get her

[supple fern]

if you got crown mari and a full working SG comp, you'll prob be fine skipping her, won't even affect your raids much

[valid mesa]

Because Mari & Grave are the two B2 pierce buffers

Probably need one

[twin ingot]

Ahh, without Mari, Grave priority rises a bit

[supple fern]

did you get asuka/rei

[winged swan]

Yes

[twin ingot]

Any time RH gets kicked out of Tiga comp, Grave will probably be used (or Mari)

[supple fern]

then I would try for a copy

[valid mesa]

Definitely get Grave lol

[winged swan]

Ah

Man these rolls ain't looking good

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1051766353821966346.gif?quality=lossless&name=hyperlmfao&size=48

[twin ingot]

Pilgrim banners are scams

Although had a union mate with insane luck

[misty sparrow]

This raid probably will run tiga+Alice sbs

[valid mesa]

Can always wait 20 days and see if you lucksack from free rolls first

Before attempting the 1% scam

[twin ingot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091417140076228628/1303950453289254963/image.png?ex=672d9dfe&is=672c4c7e&hm=5be9506536c5aa2d6c44937d74a67aafeed3d78209129961c6dd73d2e7afe962&

Look at this

[valid mesa]

This is what I'm doing, then Mari with Alice & RH...... Even though no core on Behemoth means no pierce buff.

Another advantage of Grave over Mari tbh

[twin ingot]

Core 3 in 110 pulls.

took me 300 to MLB

[winged swan]

Kotherfucker

[misty sparrow]

[celest echo]

Where can I get my hands on this spreadsheet?

[misty sparrow]

Learning how to use Google sheets?

[celest echo]

Cirno of cirno tv fame?

[native moat]

i didnt see if it was already said but you can make it last until next burst hits from what i just tried

[valid mesa]

The point is with CDR that's only 2-4 seconds, so not actually worth investing in her S1