[Grave] New Unit Megathread

[rare sandal]

Wait no.

[dense pendant]

[rare sandal]

Hmm.

Mirror Container.

Grave buffs Asuka Alice less than Crown but Grave brings more damage herself.

[dense pendant]

ok

[rare sandal]

And compensates it.

[dense pendant]

that's not the point

[rare sandal]

The team deals more damage.

[dense pendant]

so what

lol

[rare sandal]

I am sure this is wrong.

[dense pendant]

ok prove it

[rare sandal]

Is this with Asuka core damage

Rei atk buff?

Guaranteed crit + 4 crit dmg OL

4 ele + 4 atk?

[dense pendant]

Liter grave alice Asuka mod
2 atk OL

no ele

[rare sandal]

And dont forget RH b1 buff

Good in campaign

[dense pendant]

she doesnt hit core anyways

[twin ingot]

Rei > Alice for Grave

[dense pendant]

that's not false but u not using that anyways

[twin ingot]

I am

200 mil more damage vs Indivilia

[dense pendant]

u using rei over alice for indi

[twin ingot]

Yes

Cuz Alice lost damage

[dense pendant]

on what

[twin ingot]

Indivilia

[rare sandal]

Rei buffs Grave.

A lot.

[dense pendant]

buff a weakling by alot congrats

[coarse gust]

its harder to use alice, if not used properly Alice will loose damage to Rei pick for most

[rare sandal]

She is not a weakling.

Someone did a few run tests.

[dense pendant]

weakling

[rare sandal]

Grave is 0.75 Asuka without Shield.

That is big.

[twin ingot]

2.824 bil Grave Rei
2.655 bil Grave Alice

[rare sandal]

I know.

[crude gorge]

Who on earth am I supposed to slot in as a healer/shielder if I use her

[tropic sleet]

alice better if your wearing your gaming socks

[rare sandal]

Rei is better if your Grave and Rei and Modernia are more broken.

Someone other also tested.

Grave dealing more damage.

Than with Crown.

Because of her personal DPS.

[dense pendant]

yeah her personal dps is still shit

also lb0 grave

[coarse gust]

what do we look for on Grave OL effects?

[dense pendant]

for most ppl

[dense pendant]

atk ele crit damage

hit rate instead of crit if for individia specifically

[rare sandal]

Nah dupes not important

Its all about OL and ur blessings

For example

Momo is blessed with her Asuka and Rei and Mod

[crude gorge]

"Removes heat emissions under certain conditions" whatever that means

[rare sandal]

Meanwhile my Mod is 🧱

[dense pendant]

when she burst or full reload

[crude gorge]

Oh got it

[past yacht]

pins

[tropic sleet]

doesnt grave scale better with ele rolls since doro brand cant be buffed by ele?

[rare sandal]

Yes

Grave scales way better

Also pierces

Also scales off Asuka and Rei

[dense pendant]

yes

still a shit dps

[rare sandal]

And buffs the team

[peak mural]

character looks mid

[dense pendant]

but now scale with ele better

[rare sandal]

Nah Raon

[coarse gust]

Temporary Overload Effects to look for
Ele>Atk>CritDamage/Hit Rate

[rare sandal]

Im gonna wait for Gatrix

[rare sandal]

Its the best OL

[dense pendant]

doro tier dps for neutral

[twin ingot]

She's definitely a sub-DPS

[rare sandal]

Start with ELE tho

[twin ingot]

She's not keeping up with Asuka or Modernia any day

[dense pendant]

ye ye ele atk

[twin ingot]

My best run

[rare sandal]

She can keep up eith Moderrnia if Modernia is bricked

[twin ingot]

Yeah, if Mod is bricked sure

[dense pendant]

cope

[coarse gust]

if Mod keeps up with Asuka then Asuka is bricked

[rare sandal]

OL on everyone pls

Ssays someone who says Liter is better than Rouge for Cindy

My testing is still more accurate than urs

Read bafk

How confident u arre at saying Liter > Rouge for Cindy

And how many people uve misled

[twin ingot]

Didn't include the unimportant rolls

[rare sandal]

Your Grave is way more cracked than Asuka and Mod.

[twin ingot]

I know. My fire units are bad

[rare sandal]

This proves how bad Mod is.

The reason why Mod is good.

Is cus Mod is the only off burst dps.

But she needs literally perfect OL to keep up now.

Even Mod has been ditched in some revent raids.

[digital chasm]

So grave is mid?

[twin ingot]

I'll have S7 ez if I fix Asuka's element

Grave isn't mid

She's just not OP

[rare sandal]

Guys, now let me show u something

[digital chasm]

Hmm

So only good on raids?

[rare sandal]

Go test against enemies without core

[twin ingot]

If you consider "can't beat Crown" to be mid, then sure

[rare sandal]

@twin ingot

[twin ingot]

[dense pendant]

she isnt mid
im just saying her Kise is coping about her personal damage

[rare sandal]

See how Grave fucks Mod's dmg

Maybe?

[twin ingot]

Uhh, do we have a regular fight without core?

Also most coreless enemies make pierce units bad, too

like RH is a joke compared to SBS vs Nihilister

[digital chasm]

So what’s a good team comp for grace

Grave

Like for story push or smth

Or is it strictly only raids

[dense pendant]

[coarse gust]

pair her with Asuka and Alice for freaky risky team

[digital chasm]

Ic thanks

[rare sandal]

Bro runs Grave in shooting range at 97k

[dense pendant]

its indi

[past yacht]

wait

[rare sandal]

Even worse

[rare sandal]

Grave doesnt have enuf ATK

[past yacht]

why is she at that att

[rare sandal]

Against Indi

U need Rei for that

And some Atk OL

[dense pendant]

rei can suck my dick

[rare sandal]

Get 3 ATK OL

Minimum no Rei

Or 4

[native arch]

Damn she mid huh

[coarse gust]

first day doomposters, wait for the air to clear up

[rare sandal]

@twin ingot

[coarse gust]

[dense pendant]

no

[rare sandal]

Liter Grave Asuka Alice Crown deals less dmg?

[dense pendant]

bro is cooking some dog food with grave and crown

zero trust

in this guy

[rare sandal]

Is ur Alice 🧱 tho

[native arch]

First day?

[coarse gust]

just came out 3h ago

[rare sandal]

Bro dont trust someone who says Liter is better than Rouge for Cindy

Totally unreliable

[stable dagger]

Why are people doom posting she's clearly usable

[native arch]

Ahh ok

Cuz the pin saying just pull

[coarse gust]

just pull

[native arch]

Yet there’s some heated discussions here

[stable dagger]

I pulled for 1 copy I'm set

[rare sandal]

He cant even defend

[coarse gust]

its pilgrim, it cant be that bad, pull now

[dense pendant]

that's false

[rare sandal]

Against my argument

[coarse gust]

https://tenor.com/view/pull-gacha-mobile-game-kermit-gif-8751144

[rare sandal]

Explain false

Ok said not say

Same thing

[twin ingot]

My Alice is not great, no, but Grave + Alice still better than Crown + Alice

[dense pendant]

it means i made a mistake in the calc

back then

not that i cooked some dog food like grave crown in the same team

1 ammo rei rip

@rare sandal if you cant have one proper sentense without spamming that dumb emote then you can fuck off

im blocking you dumb bitch

[coarse gust]

wow chill

[void palm]

I come here to see what the god gaymers say about hot buff lady and its people bitching about emotes

[vale salmon]

Is grave another unit that needs 10/10/10?

[void palm]

So buff waifu is mid

[coarse gust]

7/4/7 -> 10/4/10 (S2 subject for more "testing")

[vale salmon]

I see

Thanks

[twin ingot]

Yup, my Alice is not cracked and I don't use gaming chair, so Grave + Rei > Alice + Crown/Naga

I think you mean Isabel

[void palm]

Do you reckon we can do a red hood release and bitch and moan long enough that she gets buffed?

[twin ingot]

Grave is very healthy. No need to push for OP

This is commentary for people who own everything in the first place

Plenty of players out there still missing Pilgrims

For those without Crown, Grave is 100% BiS for Indivilia

[dense pendant]

with Rei

2 atk 2 crit damage
no ele

[twin ingot]

Yeah, NGE is necessary to make her shine

[dense pendant]

no pierce

[twin ingot]

Probably full tier deduction without Asuka/Rei

[void palm]

I skipped on the collab units cause i wasnt interested in them

[dense pendant]

asuka doesnt add much cuz she miss core alot
unless u build hit rate

[twin ingot]

uh

Grave very much enjoys that

[dense pendant]

yeah
core damage up

[twin ingot]

Yup

Especially mine

Only 80% ammo

[dense pendant]

grave asuka rei mod is 4 fire

good luck using that in SR lol

[twin ingot]

That's fine tho

DKW, Alice, Drake, 2B or Miranda/Yulha

I mean, that works for the other teams tho

That's what we've been doing

Need a better fire SG for SG comp

Drake treasure when?

[dense pendant]

if you take mod out

then you're effectively using Rei to buff grave

[twin ingot]

Take Mod out and put Soda in for healing

Now we're thinking with portals

[coral quarry]

just need more b1 cdr for every element

for ele shield

[dense pendant]

im sticking with the idea that she's doro tier dps and doesnt need much investment for general SR

of course she do alot of damage when fire weak

[twin ingot]

Actually, lemme try poor man's Indivilia run

[slow orchid]

Okay

S9 Indi cleared

[dense pendant]

team?

[slow orchid]

Like I said

[dense pendant]

just say it again

[coral quarry]

eh... we already has b1 cdr for every element

[dense pendant]

[coarse gust]

Grave-Asuka-Alice-Liter-Mod
what he said

[slow orchid]

L G A A M

[frank silo]

[rare sandal]

Exactly.

[dense pendant]

ok where's you Rei huh

rei is god bro

u wrong

[rare sandal]

But not when you are outside Raid.

[slow orchid]

Who's Rei

[rare sandal]

In raid she will have 3 main teams:

[misty sparrow]

Hi lads how the cook is going?

[dense pendant]

the one sucking my dick right now

[mystic laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/kita-ikuyo-kita-ryo-ryo-yamada-deliver-me-30-000-presents-gif-541909487262718109

[coarse gust]

i need to RNG so indi doesnt randomly hit anyone but asuka but the burst gen is insane

[misty sparrow]

Has anybody compared grave vs Mari?

[rare sandal]

• Grave with SBS Alice (if not Tia Naga) then Crown goes in with Cindy.
• Grave with Asuka Rei Mod (very unlikely).
• Grave with RH Maxwell (most likely).

[misty sparrow]

understandable

[twin ingot]

Huh, weird bug

[rare sandal]

Nah, outside Fire too.

The reason why Mari sucks.

[misty sparrow]

is anybody cooking indivilia?

[rare sandal]

That no one realizes is that.

[misty sparrow]

[rare sandal]

She has no damage, weaker buffs.

[twin ingot]

Kilo couldn't damage QTE for some reason, but would've cleared S5 Indivilia with this

Grave + free units

[dense pendant]

bro cooking

[rare sandal]

But one thing she has is that:

• Occasional ATK is good for SW no cyap.
• AoE for some bosses (like Cube).

Grave > Mari in almost everything because she gives bonus burst gen and does not rely on cores. Check Mari's kit again.

[twin ingot]

Yeah, Mari toast without cores

[misty sparrow]

What about grave in snow malding team?

[twin ingot]

and SR has had a tendency of giving us limited-window cores

[rare sandal]

Both are as dead as meat.

Seriously.

Yeah.

[vernal star]

Poor Srosanna, never stood a chance outside her event

[dense pendant]

prob use both in the upcoming sr anyways

[rare sandal]

Wait maybe not Mari.

But SRos is totally dead.

[twin ingot]

Mari is plenty safe

[rare sandal]

No.

[twin ingot]

S Ros will be back for wind-weak

[bleak egret]

If you mean the double reload, that's a bug with max ammo and asuka experienced it in that clip as well

[rare sandal]

She is the next to die.

Not safe.

[rare sandal]

Not at all.

Unless you need ele to break shield.

[twin ingot]

She's best B2 for S Sakura

[rare sandal]

No.

[misty sparrow]

No

[vernal star]

SSakura is viable fortunately for Kraken Anomaly

[rare sandal]

[twin ingot]

S Sakura is near on-tier with SBS for Kraken

[vernal star]

Nah she’s great for Anomaly

[mystic laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-thinking-sit-bored-couch-gif-17483531

[rare sandal]

The fuck you saying?

[fiery seal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038708366630977566/1047768821747941376/20221201_022935.gif

[vernal star]

[dense pendant]

ppl will just use Liter Mari Alice SBS Max/Mod for next raid
for electric qte

[rare sandal]

Is your SBS that bricked?

That you say SSakura is on her level.

[twin ingot]

No

[rare sandal]

She is weaker.

Well not much weaker for Kraken.

[rare sandal]

So much weaker for everything else.

[rare sandal]

Alice?

[vernal star]

Nah

[twin ingot]

SBS with Alice is stronger than S Sakura, duh

My statement remains correct

SBS alone isn't that much stronger

[rare sandal]

SBS never leaves Alice.

[vernal star]

No need to break my fingers for Kraken anymore

[twin ingot]

She does for my AI team

[rare sandal]

Good.

How much rocks wasted on SSakura?

[twin ingot]

Not many since she just needs ele

[rare sandal]

Skill mats?

Everyone resets SSakura.

[twin ingot]

S7 at sync 380

I can't

I lose like 700 mil if I use Alice

[misty sparrow]

321 S7 sounds a bald head

[twin ingot]

[misty sparrow]

[rare sandal]

I think you just miss the core shots as SBS.

Thats why damage similar.

[twin ingot]

No, cuz I unsync crosshair

[rare sandal]

Playing on phone is nightmare.

[past yacht]

holy fuck

[rare sandal]

Oh I thought ure that iDoll guy.

[twin ingot]

And who plays on phone

[rare sandal]

Me and a lot.

Convenience.

[twin ingot]

Kraken on phone is bricked

[rare sandal]

Phone best.

[twin ingot]

Can't core-hit tentacles for like 50% of the time

[misty sparrow]

Krillin

Nah just kidding

[misty sparrow]

[twin ingot]

but back to Grave. She's not Crown, but, if using NGE, she can suprass Crown for Indivilia damage and may see use as pierce buffer in raids (especially for those who skipped Mari)

Solid unit but nothing gamebreaking

I think that much can be agreed on, no?

[misty sparrow]

how hard becomes indivilia without crown?

[twin ingot]

As long as you're willing to cover-block lasers, I found it easier, actually

Does require OL levels in Asuka tho

[ember goblet]

where can i find this spreadsheet?

[twin ingot]

cuz she tanks a ton of damage

[misty sparrow]

Crown shield+taunt is broken

[twin ingot]

Crown gets wiped in phase 2 tho if you don't time specifically

Crown is more maldy but higher damage ceiling probably

[misty sparrow]

Well probably next raid we will play Alice SBS in tiga XD

[twin ingot]

Disagree personally, but variance in gameplay style is a positive thing!

[misty sparrow]

cuz you know Cindy+rouge+crown=P1 4b dmg

[twin ingot]

[vernal star]

[twin ingot]

Grave is my go-to for now on cuz I can snore in phase 2

Having to control Crown stacks is a pain

[coarse gust]

where

[twin ingot]

and if you ignore lasers, she'll get OHKO'd

[twin ingot]

It's a personal spreadsheet of mine

[rugged gazelle]

one copy fine or do i need to go for mlb for both?

[vernal star]

Any team where I don’t need to trigger finger is fine by me

[supple fern]

[coarse gust]

thats what he said not any pic yet

[supple fern]

part of me thinks cindy is actually more meta than grave

[supple fern]

[vernal star]

We shall see once raid hits

[twin ingot]

Cindy is more meta than Grave just by nature of being a B3

We need way more of those

B2s we usually only need five of and they're often determined based on the nature of the boss fight

meanwhile B3s are usually just DAMAGE NUMBERS BRRRRRRRRRR

[tulip carbon]

Still, it seems like Grave + Rei synergy is taking off?

[vernal star]

It works

[twin ingot]

Yeah, Grave stonks much higher for NGE owners

Those who skipped have less priority for her unless we need to pull RH from Tiga

That's pretty much the only time non-NGE Grave will have a role I think

[past yacht]

nge ?

[rugged gazelle]

eva

[twin ingot]

SW is pretty much gone from anything but iron-weak, so the only time we need pierce buffer is for non-Tiga RH

[past yacht]

k

[twin ingot]

Neon Genesis Evangelion

[misty sparrow]

How good it could be now NGE squad against neutral?

[twin ingot]

Planning to test that in solo raid

[misty sparrow]

Now with grave

[twin ingot]

Grave I also plan on using heavily in UR

but that's a non-issue for people in the super high unions

[misty sparrow]

I guess the strongest neutral on paper is Cindy rouge Sanis+flex

Wait a second

Let me explain

[twin ingot]

Lower unions have to worry about trying to save Crown for the tougher bosses, so Grave offering a potent source of anti-wind is helpful

[misty sparrow]

Because SBS Alice is the strongest everywhere

[twin ingot]

Electric comp is definitely the strongest neutral element

[dense pendant]

was in a rush earlier cuz my mom ganked me

[misty sparrow]

I meant the strongest element against neutral

[tulip carbon]

Fire is well tweaked now at least. D Wife (she occasionally pierces), Grave, Alice/Asuka (pierces), Rei (buffer), Modernia (brrr)

[misty sparrow]

NGE squad are all fire except mari

[twin ingot]

Electric > Fire > Iron > Wind > Water for mono-element vs neutral

[tulip carbon]

If someone asked for maximum synergy, that is MAXIMUM synergy

[misty sparrow]

Cindy+Sanis+Ein feels comfi af

[twin ingot]

And Wind > Water only cuz SBS exists

[supple fern]

would rei get replaced before mod

[misty sparrow]

Maybe we can kick Ein if no core

[supple fern]

if you needed ele coverage

[twin ingot]

For Solo Raid, I think Grave/Asuka/Rei with Mod split is more likely

Rei doesn't contribute anything to other teams

Even her shield is fire-only

[tulip carbon]

Alice is BS Scarlet's slave

[supple fern]

my rei isn't built

[twin ingot]

Modernia on the other hand just goes BRRR no matter where she is (aside from Tiga, of course)

[tulip carbon]

So yeah, most likely it's Asuka + Rei along with Grave

[dense pendant]

just go grave/mari Alice SBS

[misty sparrow]

Now sanis is Cindy dog

[dense pendant]

mari in this SR cuz she solves qte

[misty sparrow]

Qte

[twin ingot]

True

Although, based on the fight

[misty sparrow]

Cindy+Sanis, naga, mari, Who else?

[twin ingot]

I think Grave/Mari Alice SBS wouldn't be able to survive

[misty sparrow]

Ein

[twin ingot]

Behemoth looks like she hits like a truck

[dense pendant]

we finally back to healer meta?

[twin ingot]

No cover repair, shielding, or healing

[twin ingot]

M Priv

for SG Comp

Zwei if SW is viable

[misty sparrow]

Oh yeah mpriv

[dense pendant]

liter

[misty sparrow]

Be careful this raid boss hit like a truck

And is unstoppable

[dense pendant]

liter mari alice sbs modernia/maxwell

[misty sparrow]

Finally a raid where we can use our brain

[slow orchid]

I hate blind cover

Cause Behemoth doesnt show red crosshair when shooting with machine gun

[dense pendant]

just quick reflex it

[slow orchid]

u mean pause scum

[tulip carbon]

Countering QTE with any invested Fire:
team 1 - D Wife
team 2 - Grave
team 3 - Modernia
team 4 - Alice
team 5 - Asuka

Who gets Rei slave?

[slow orchid]

Mod

Mod Rei need ammo

they will go tgt with bunnies

unless they give us better ammo supply in future

[twin ingot]

Bunnies with SG comp

Tove/Blanc/B Soda/M Priv/Noir

[tulip carbon]

Who's the Fire in that team?

[misty sparrow]

I hate tove RNG ngl

[twin ingot]

Oh, I was thinking Behemoth raid, sorry

Drake then

[tulip carbon]

Replace Noir with Drake?

[twin ingot]

M Priv

[misty sparrow]

Drake is something

[twin ingot]

[misty sparrow]

1/1/1 is just 4% less 10/10/10

[twin ingot]

She's cheap That's a good thing

[misty sparrow]

I know she was used during fire raid

[twin ingot]

Just put Grave where S Ros is and 👌

[misty sparrow]

And asuka in Maxwell

[twin ingot]

Cindy in Asuka

Oh wait, no fire

[misty sparrow]

behemoth

P1 Cindy cuz easy 4b

[twin ingot]

Was going back to Juratus talking about fire raid

cuz the above screenshot is Massive Object

For Behemoth, this is Kira for MC

[coarse gust]

need more brain with Grave on eva team for me too hard maybe when Grave gets better OL, phase 2 randomly kill one of them who not asucka

[misty sparrow]

Ahhh I don't have guillotine

[twin ingot]

Don't need her

[misty sparrow]

I mean I've got her but 4/4/4/ no ols

[twin ingot]

Stick Ein where Guillotine is and use Cindy in Crown comp

[misty sparrow]

My bad

It's kinda late here and I write the first thing there appeared in my head

[misty sparrow]

Ahhh I didn't use guillotine in that raid

MC funny raid

[dense pendant]

anyone knows what cause the reload bug again?

[misty sparrow]

The best part my naga couldn't break last qte

What the hack was this patch then? They didn't correct anything

All the bugs are still here

Wtf guys

SBS gacha skin still bugged

mini game bugged

[rare sandal]

No

[green arrow]

it was their plan all along

forcing people to pull grave for solo raid

[rare sandal]

If Grave isnt with Asuka Rei

Or SBS Alixe

Or RH Maxwell

She is bricked

[sharp moon]

is grave 1 copy and done? or mlb?

[coarse gust]

1 copy good enough

[dense pendant]

what bug?

[green arrow]

look at her megathread

[misty sparrow]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1302079236378595408

[green arrow]

gacha skin fires faster than regular skin

oh nvm

you talking about her robotic animations

[misty sparrow]

No, no you right that's too

Idk what they fixed guys

[coarse gust]

she took off her clothes so she fire faster with less weight thats peak physics

[misty sparrow]

400 mb of what

5 hours

[coarse gust]

thats a big nerf in Mc

[misty sparrow]

Yup

[coarse gust]

no more survibility

fking hit randomly by flying glasses

[misty sparrow]

I wanna reset her after raid

[green arrow]

what?

reset cindy?

what?

[misty sparrow]

7/4/7 is enough for a boss niche Nikke

[dense pendant]

dont think its bug

they just make her wierd

[misty sparrow]

I'm done

[heavy belfry]

@rare sandal I told you

Weaker than crown Naga

Abat

What

@slow orchid where clear

[coarse gust]

that comp is super expensive, super expensive than Naga Crown

[slow orchid]

[coarse gust]

Texas took every word he heard online

[slow orchid]

now im testing

just finished break fast

[onyx crown]

100 pulls no SSR

what the hell is this seed

[slow orchid]

just do 200 pulls

you scare or what ?

[onyx crown]

scare

0% SSR

dafuq

[slow orchid]

no balls

[onyx crown]

150 pulls ưith 1 Clay

what's the odd now?

I know

[coarse gust]

260p for first cindy and 120p still no grave gotta mileage, they are both rigged

[onyx crown]

but the odd seems very odd lol

[misty sparrow]

[onyx crown]

I have to re check lol

4%

looks like 0.1% to me

[misty sparrow]

Let's go gamble gatrix

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[slow orchid]

[onyx crown]

I work for a gamble site

[coarse gust]

bet888

[heavy belfry]

Gatrix gimme MATHHHH

[onyx crown]

I need to go to work mate, it's Thursday

[heavy belfry]

Can u tell kisenix to reduce her PvP rating idk wtf he's on

This is grave

[onyx crown]

I just test Cinderella with real run

[heavy belfry]

What nuke

[onyx crown]

[slow orchid]

Nvm Grave so bad

[heavy belfry]

The math don't add up man

It's such a clear diff

[slow orchid]

Fucking OL lines

[onyx crown]

luckily I haven't made one

[heavy belfry]

Yk how crown has 100% uptime on all her buffs with Naga right???

[onyx crown]

no one can criticize it haha kek

[heavy belfry]

[coarse gust]

asuka 1/4 of alice

[slow orchid]

My Asuka is dog shit

[heavy belfry]

Grave should be like .7 or .8 of asucka

[coarse gust]

i think Grave is there, but the cost is just tooo damn expensive comparing to counterpart for s9 Crown-Naga, definitely not a comfy s7 for most too

[heavy belfry]

.7

Yeah

[slow orchid]

New character's pierce dmg and atk dmg up buff make me confuse somehow

Like they're weaker or something

[heavy belfry]

[slow orchid]

Or they just dont have atk buff

[dense pendant]

not even 0.5 alice

u sure 0.7 asuka ?

[heavy belfry]

The base damage should be around .68 Asuka considering all core hits

If Asuka is 100% core hits then grave reduced even more

[dense pendant]

all core hit is hyper cope

[heavy belfry]

What I'm saying .7 asucka

[dense pendant]

u mean all core hit on asuka or grave

[tropic sleet]

So shes midrave?

[heavy belfry]

if Both, then grave should be .68 asucka

Obviously she isn't so this means maybe grave is around .6 asucka?

[heavy belfry]

Well, no
Better than mari

[heavy belfry]

Especially for fire raids

14 bursts btw

[dense pendant]

not like i actually know how much asucka do

[heavy belfry]

Time to build her section

[dense pendant]

about time

[heavy belfry]

U still getting same overall DPS from grave fire team Vs crown Naga fire team?

@slow orchid how much ammo does ur Alice have

[dense pendant]

in real test? no
cuz my grave is very unbuilt

2 OL no atk no ele yet

[slow orchid]

19

[heavy belfry]

@dense pendant he should be able to get 38 ammo Alice

[dense pendant]

need to play more but dont have time today

[heavy belfry]

Because you want to free up crown from this bitch

[dense pendant]

because Alice is great fire attacker

[slow orchid]

That +3 ammo 100% is for Alice

[dense pendant]

• pierce wtf u mean not good

[slow orchid]

But some how we have to make Alice 40+ ammo

[heavy belfry]

Grave Alice B3 Privaty

Should be 38-40 ammo shot with 19-20 ammo

[slow orchid]

Even have to play with Bastion

[dense pendant]

18 ammo alice + grave + resil

[heavy belfry]

That's 36 ammo now

I think

[dense pendant]

grave is +3 each mag

[heavy belfry]

Oh wait yeah +3 -3 +3

[dense pendant]

im lost
werent we talking Indi comp?

[rare sandal]

Thats what I said in maincord on 5th November

Go check

Actually 0.6-0.7 based on OL quality. Higher only if Asuka is omega bricked.

At most 0.75-0.8 is approaching 🧱

[kind rock]

How good is grave? Should I pull?

[heavy belfry]

In indiv comp, without priv

You have 2s reload
Resil is 30% reload speed so now you have 1.4s reload speed

5.58s to shoot 24 ammo
Then 1.4-1.5s reload
+16-17 ammo

24+16 = 40 ammo shot, oh wow

[heavy belfry]

Omega bricked like 1/1/1 dawg

[heavy belfry]

I can't believe math tbh
Actually goated

Just need 3 ammo Alice for 40 ammo shot

Resil better than basti

[dense pendant]

dont think u can reach 40s with that reload time

but near, anyways

[coarse gust]

just get 1 copy to be safe, but dont expect she turns out to be awesome carry, she needs teammate that can take advantage of her buff and there are not a lot of them (asuka, alice, redhood)...)Her OL requirement is high and she is not as compfy to play with comparing to Crown for most content

[dense pendant]

38 39

i was using bastion earlier was awful af

[heavy belfry]

It's actually nearer to 41 ammo shot so unless frame or chair issues, you should easily be doing 40 with liter grave

[kind rock]

Should I pull or use pity ticket on her?

[dense pendant]

in practice i did 40 shots with Priv + resil so how do you expect me to do 40 shots without priv?

[coarse gust]

as of now, pull with free attempt everyday and wait for more analysis (nikkegg prydwen or yappers here) to decide to mileage last week of her banner

[heavy belfry]

Because no ammo reduction and it's one reload anyways

@coarse gust how much ammo do you have on Alice?

@rare sandal how much ammo on Alice?

[dense pendant]

18 ammo on mine

[dense pendant]

one reload with/ without priv

[coarse gust]

20

[dense pendant]

ite i got 7 mins to boot up pc and shoot before work

[heavy belfry]

You go, it's fine

There's no rush to it

[misty sparrow]

[heavy belfry]

We have no more releases for 2 weeks

And SR is tomorrow, not today

Can sleep for 24hours

[rare sandal]

14 bricked

[heavy belfry]

Same lmfao

[slow orchid]

All blue

[rare sandal]

Too expensive to fix

[slow orchid]

MC title fit so perfectly

[heavy belfry]

I will fix

[rare sandal]

Meanwhile me: spending 50 rocks to get ATK on line 2 cindy

[coarse gust]

thank god i didnt listen to the 2 ammo only advice couple months back so now my alice can go with Grave

[heavy belfry]

Thank you @fast ridge

[slow orchid]

I feel this pack is like a scam

[rare sandal]

IM OMEGA BRICKED WITH CINDY, NOW CHARGE DAMAGE IS SHIT

[slow orchid]

[rare sandal]

[slow orchid]

huh

dont tell me you rerolled for charge dmg on Cindy ?

[rare sandal]

I SPENT 50 ROCKS TO NERF HER.

[slow orchid]

LMAO

[rare sandal]

It was crit rate

I was rerolling for atk

I stopped at chg dmg

So I nerfed her

[coarse gust]

Cindy projectiles cant handle flying glass anymore she is critical bricked condition now, Ein comp shattered, only Cindy Sanis main dps for MC c32 now

[rare sandal]

Wait why

[coarse gust]

they make it so that her projectiles dont destory randomly enemy projectiles anymore right?

[rare sandal]

Cindy would clear the projectiles for u

Was a good thing?

WELL RIP THOSE CRYSTAL CHAMBER MF

[coarse gust]

i ran couple times today and i died like this is my first train interception

[coarse gust]

yeah dawg its good for team

idk why the people complain about bringing her to landeater

[rare sandal]

So she was nerfed

[coarse gust]

someone said here couple days ago, thats a feature not bug

[rare sandal]

Mention this in new review @heavy belfry

Just mark it as possible QoL downgrade

For bossing with projectiles

[rare sandal]

Look at the minigame

Its a feature

[heavy belfry]

Ok, will do it in usage analysis

For bossing

[dense pendant]

@heavy belfry only 36 shots btw

with 1 resilience reload

[heavy belfry]

did i fumble maths again

[dense pendant]

possibly 37

[cyan turret]

Is Grave nerfed or something?

[dense pendant]

no it's just animation bs with reloading

[heavy belfry]

damn i understand

[heavy belfry]

hmm? no

overhyped? maybe

[dense pendant]

her damage buff is good but her personal dps is overhyped

like its obviously good on fire cuz u can get up to x2 or more damage

[coarse gust]

about to be clapped for PvE story SS=>S

[cyan turret]

Maybe it's time to repeat Red Hood incident

[dense pendant]

riot cuz your buffer doesnt have god tier dps

[celest sky]

skipped?

[slow orchid]

shoulnd't expect too much on an AR

[cyan turret]

Even if we not counting DPS, if compare it to Crown, who more vital in the team?

[celest sky]

[exotic sun]

just iframe it i guess? Regarding Cindy's projectile not aimming at the flying crystal

[celest sky]

let our skill materials rest SU

ty

3 EVA collabs 10 10 10

now 2pilgrims

[coarse gust]

more brain im brainded cant react fast

[heavy belfry]

go test dps

give us diff

[exotic sun]

Btw am i missing something why alice is bad with grave if u have too many ammo

[heavy belfry]

? shes not

[exotic sun]

someone here talk about 2 ammo?

[slow orchid]

First niche banner Pilgrim

[heavy belfry]

2 ammo is bad
3 ammo is good for grave

[celest sky]

am i getting paid for that?

[slow orchid]

[exotic sun]

oh okay

[celest sky]

[heavy belfry]

do u take payments in love and respect

[exotic sun]

4ele 3 attack 3 ammo was always the way for alice

[celest sky]

cant feed my family with that

[heavy belfry]

u get street rep tho

[celest sky]

[green arrow]

so grave 1 copy and forgetti?

[celest sky]

are you competing SRtop 10 on SEA?

[green arrow]

nope

but considering people kept saying more cores on cindy is less efficient

[heavy belfry]

this is where they fumbled grave

[green arrow]

i might go for more grave copies

[heavy belfry]

this is where the difference comes into play

simply makes crown a superior unit

not to mention, remember that grave is only good for piercers

crown is an all round buffer

[dense pendant]

me

[heavy belfry]

easily a tier above her, plain and simple

[dense pendant]

but im na

[slow orchid]

King > Princess's guard

[coarse gust]

welp who has 12/12 4atk4ed2cs2ammo alice here, time to "fix her again" for 3ammo

[slow orchid]

[coarse gust]

[slow orchid]

4ed 3atk 2cs 3 ammo here

[green arrow]

or save for ||siren||

[green arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

whale calling whale

[peak mural]

way hangon does she just want to keep reloading instead of shooting

[heavy belfry]

damn

it is not 40 ammo at all

raon is right

[peak mural]

dang is she ass then

[heavy belfry]

nah she's not
ass

[peak mural]

Honestly even if she wasn't the redesign makes it hard to justify pulling

[hearty cape]

So, still must pull? Or skipable?

[green arrow]

pull 1 copy

for solo raid content

[coarse gust]

must pull for SR only

[green arrow]

fits in top5 b2 for solo raid

[hearty cape]

mileage worthy?

[green arrow]

i just mileaged her

[hearty cape]

🤔

[green arrow]

but I'm not f2p

[hearty cape]

i see

[onyx crown]

I swear these banners are rigged

off rate is okay

no SSR at all is not

[green arrow]

off rate is not okay either

[onyx crown]

I mean I'm fine if they give me 2 Soline

as long as it looks 4%

[green arrow]

literally 30 times less than rateup

[onyx crown]

I spent total 300 pulls this time and got 1 Clay, 1 Noir, 1 Cindy over all

that's 1%

SSR lmao

[green arrow]

i'm surprised you have 300 pulls left after eva, rouge and quency

[vapid zenith]

Is Grave good?

[sturdy shore]

skip

[vapid zenith]

I pulled her

I dont have any good b2 anyways

She is the only option

At least she is good in asuka comp

[heavy belfry]

it is time

to pull

[green arrow]

so from my understanding

after grave's burst ends

she enters s1

and with the burst gen speed, you can immediately enter burst mode again real fast

but then she won't have time to heal?

and because she never reload to full from s1 + burst endless cycle, her s2 won't drop?

[mint tendon]

Yea only her gauge filling speed and burst work everything else broke lol and not working optimally

[coarse gust]

i never see Dwife on cdr this is first time

[green arrow]

so the only downside is that she won't have time to heal from s1 and because your burst uptime is so fast with b1 cdr + burst fill speed, the %pierce damage from her s1 will be underutilized?

i'm thinking her s1 isn't worth going 10

just from that

7/7/10 as a buffer with self dps mixed in

[dense pendant]

her S2 drop immediately and reset when u enter the next burst

i checked it

[green arrow]

ah so this triggers when she has infinite ammo

[woeful gate]

fuck

add rei to the list of units I gotta build...

[green arrow]

so she needs to build stacks again every burst

[woeful gate]

so much shit to do

[green arrow]

these also drop every burst cycle?

[woeful gate]

perfect alice, cindy OL, scarlet invest for pvp, grave invest + OL, now rei

[green arrow]

it says continuously

[woeful gate]

my resources are fucked

[green arrow]

bollocks

[dense pendant]

overheat 2 and 3 drop immediately after burst end also

[green arrow]

WHY DESCRIBE IT AS CONTINUOUSLY

[dense pendant]

"when in prediction" i guess

[green arrow]

DESCRIBE IT AS UNTIL PREDICTION ENDS

[mint tendon]

Well cause theres condition

[green arrow]

[dense pendant]

need someone to test
Liter Grave Alice SBS Priv vs crown and see if grave damage actually can compensate or not

just go on shooting range boss or something

probably not but still nice to see a result screen

[peak mural]

so is she a fraud

[green arrow]

she’s just overglazed by zoomer kids

[wild night]

grave not as good as crown naga huh..

sad

wasnt as bugged as cinderella

[heavy belfry]

too good to be free unit
too bad to be a pilgrim banner

[heavy belfry]

my opinion

at least shouldnt be a 1% man

2× bossing only pilgrim

[dense pendant]

that's from meta perspective

for new players they're all good

[heavy belfry]

yeah thats true

[modest cairn]

Pair grave with Liter+Noir for maximum atk buff?

[heavy belfry]

noir not needed

[modest cairn]

I mean 17% is 17%

I'll take what I can get

[heavy belfry]

noir is shit

[modest cairn]

Your waifu a shit

[dense pendant]

for casuals player

DKW + Grave is pretty good for campaign actually

[dense pendant]

if they're crownless

[peak mural]

Grave lost the meta when she took off her pants and mask

[dense pendant]

nice

[peak mural]

she has a cock? maybe she's S tier.

[winter veldt]

so 1 copy is enough ?

[heavy belfry]

yeah 1 copy and dip

[winter veldt]

i guess i will just trade and all in on cindy banner

[final moat]

Not worth mlb?

[heavy belfry]

eh

id say nah

[dense pendant]

@heavy belfry yeah the damage is about the same

[final moat]

Does it make her weaker rhan other buffer with mlb

[rare sandal]

Of course not

[dense pendant]

u sure?

[rare sandal]

Gaming 🪑 ?

[dense pendant]

yes

[final moat]

Crown seem good

Are they same investment and mlb

[heavy belfry]

this is neutral ele or fire weak?

[dense pendant]

neutral

[rare sandal]

I guess Grave give u more dmg from the extra Full Burst

[dense pendant]

it's against fire boss, water weak

[heavy belfry]

goddamn she outdps crown substantially

[final moat]

But team dps not much diff

[rare sandal]

Now, try DWife with Crown

[modest cairn]

yea but you have better chance to pull grave if you don't have crown already

[heavy belfry]

this is good then

[rare sandal]

Use DWife for both

[heavy belfry]

pierce supporter

[heavy belfry]

no cuz dwife cant keep up

[final moat]

Sbs doesnt pierce

[heavy belfry]

with grave team burst gen

[rare sandal]

Wdym

[heavy belfry]

the burst gen is too fast for dwife to keep up

liter is better

once she's ramped

[rare sandal]

Less than 2s?

[rare sandal]

Yes for Crown DWife is better

I want DWife for both

[heavy belfry]

its 1s for full burst with alice

[rare sandal]

For equal testing

[final moat]

But using liter mean your first 2 burst is delayed

[heavy belfry]

also dwife is extremely diminished buffs bro

[dense pendant]

it catches up

[heavy belfry]

also liter is needed for grave team to give ammo to alice

dwife cant work with grave

[rare sandal]

Well ur Alice is bricked anyways no point

[heavy belfry]

look above

same damage means that she can leave crown team

u understand how big that is?

[valid mesa]

Was ready to mlb her but her buffs don't scale with her stats, and seems her personal damage isn't that big even for fire weak

[rare sandal]

No its likely the meta soon

[valid mesa]

Yeah Alice with no reload feels like a mistake unless you've got 4x max ammo or something lol

[rare sandal]

Weaker

[coarse gust]

wow wow u change your available nikke from 6 to 9 now

[heavy belfry]

this is NOT about fire

alice is better damage in grave team

[rare sandal]

No that's cus she gets 1 more full burst at the end

[heavy belfry]

we are taking alice away from crown mf

[rare sandal]

Thats not how it works

[heavy belfry]

so that the element of the day can take crown

[rare sandal]

Cus boss will have special QTE interrupting

[valid mesa]

Imo real reason to leave Asuka with SBS is so Rei can comfortably have a role in fire comp

[heavy belfry]

must pull

[rare sandal]

I love u no homo

[valid mesa]

One copy only tho

[slow orchid]

[heavy belfry]

depends

[valid mesa]

Not even casters ATK buffs

There's simply no benefit to giving her higher stats

[rare sandal]

Why is naga in fuck u tove

[slow orchid]

She's electric SG

[valid mesa]

So is MPriv

[slow orchid]

DPS + healing

[valid mesa]

Do you not have bunny alice for healing?

[rare sandal]