[Grave] New Unit Megathread

[dense pendant]

not 4 but 20 ammo alice

[heavy belfry]

20 makes it 23 with a reload at the start

+6 from bastion makes it 29 ammo shot

[dense pendant]

with liter strategic reload then need less

lucky

[heavy belfry]

how much ammo does liter give

[dense pendant]

3

[heavy belfry]

so +6 from there

35 ammo

[dense pendant]

just use resil

[heavy belfry]

then -9 ammo cuz no bastion

and now u have 1 reload in between

26 ammo and 1 reload

[magic prism]

grave also gives raw ammo

[dense pendant]

lemme see

need 19 ammo

[heavy belfry]

6.5s to do 26 shots

[dense pendant]

grave +3
Privaty - 3

[heavy belfry]

how much is reload time with resil

[dense pendant]

Liter give 3

so its 22 + 19 is enough for 10 seconds
with 1 reload

[dense pendant]

costs you 3 shots

compare to crown

but u also have a full mag with crown for next burst gen

ayha

[heavy belfry]

how much is reload time with priv + resil

?

[dense pendant]

why crown too good

[dense pendant]

0.383 second

[heavy belfry]

oh

[dense pendant]

plus whatever bs animation time

in practice it costed me 3 shots which was ~ 0.66 second

[slow orchid]

3 + 3 + 19

[fleet spoke]

Grave is tomorrow?

[slow orchid]

How about Bastion

[heavy belfry]

its coming out as 36 ammo shot

[dense pendant]

yeah cuz u using slower alice

[heavy belfry]

oh u not on 4shot/s?

[dense pendant]

4.3

[heavy belfry]

4.3?

kk

[heavy belfry]

yeah with 20 ammo and 4.3/s its 39 shot

[dense pendant]

bastion give u lower uptime on alice but also more ammo at the end for next round burst gen

[heavy belfry]

[heavy belfry]

almost 40

[dense pendant]

i counted 40 in my vid

with 1 reload

[magic prism]

imagine having 20 ammo Alice

[heavy belfry]

Now how to get 40 ammo alice

iirc if u get like

3×same value rolls u get nerfed value

so 3×68% rolls u only get +6 ammo??

[magic prism]

AI made me reset one of her ammo OL for elemetal

[misty sparrow]

14 ammo here

[past yacht]

13

[misty sparrow]

[past yacht]

how do you get 20 ammo alice

[misty sparrow]

Rolling black ammo lines

Easy

[past yacht]

so you're saying you need 12/12 alice with several black lines

sure sure my 10/12 is still bricky then

[misty sparrow]

yeah Alice is expensive af

So that's it?

Are we done with this anniversary?

Moving to xmas

[green arrow]

lol as if we all gonna have gems ready for that

[misty sparrow]

XD

[magic prism]

I actually planned to just ticket a copy of grave and done, save all gems for xmas/NY event

[fleet spoke]

What will they have in ny all i remember is reruns of pilgrims

[misty sparrow]

My plan is tickets one copy grave, pull Xmas and MLB tickets new year pilgrim

[magic prism]

I feel like NY could be another big damage meta unit, to throw off people who pulls on anni and xmas

[misty sparrow]

Or B1 creep

[magic prism]

just please let the b2 train cooldown first

[misty sparrow]

no pls, 2024 too much B2 creep

[past yacht]

yeah chat save for xmas

surely 1% banners are good to pull

[misty sparrow]

For low spenders, dolphins and whales mileage are broken

[coarse gust]

I skipped all math nerf stuff any tldr best b2?

[devout wren]

should i get grave or just prepare for xmas?

[onyx crown]

Belorta

[keen surge]

you have no noir for a bunny combo team for campaign pushing, so I would probably try to spark 1 grave copy at the very least and hyper save for new years

[fleet spoke]

Get a grave the only good sexmas nikke is sexlude

[keen surge]

[twin ingot]

Except that we'll have two new ones

Time to sleep through maintenance to wake up for Grave release

[heavy belfry]

maint time

[rare sandal]

Snake's math is all wrong

This is why u dont math if u dont know how the game works

Comparison between buffers is no longer possible

[heavy belfry]

I just don't see it man

The vision ain't there

Grave gotta be worse than crown for indiv

[misty sparrow]

Skip?

[tidal pendant]

no way she a skip

she pilgrim

1 copy tho

[peak mural]

skip for new players

[heavy belfry]

Why???

Literally goated B2 for newbies

[peak mural]

she's a dps b2

and i don't think new players need b2 dps

[tidal pendant]

just spend a month rerolling for crown

[peak mural]

still leaning toward the "1 copy at least", but i still think it's reasonable to skip if you're still new to the game

[heavy belfry]

She's literally a buffer bro

Lol

Also DPS + buffer is literally good

[peak mural]

let's say a more specific situation, if i got only 200 mileage as a new player, should i choose Cindy or Grave ?

[azure tree]

Even more of a reason to pull for her if you're a new player, no?

[onyx crown]

buy Red

[azure tree]

Bcs they prob don't have Crown/ Mari/ Tianaga/ Bunnies

[peak mural]

new player should pull standard banner to pass the wall, not pulling pilgrim banner

if you want to progress fast, that is

AI should be the end goal for PvE content

[tropic sleet]

I guess if u want bricked acc waste gems on standard lol

[heavy belfry]

Aite bros thats it

[tidal pendant]

you can always unbrick your acc with 💳

[azure tree]

What's the point of passing the wall if they don't have the broken Pilgrims tho, and instead playing with Brids and Solines

By pulling std only with gems

[peak mural]

Brid and Soline at 300 sync is infinitely better than C7 red at 160

btw

and good luck doing AI

[azure tree]

You'd get to 300 anyway if you keep playing

[heavy belfry]

Must pull

[tidal pendant]

imo hard to find objectively good move here since there is a lot of randomness involved with gacha

[supple fern]

new players should get 1 copy cindy, try for 1 copy grave

[tidal pendant]

maybe someone willing to do some research with math thesis about it

[supple fern]

for fastest 160 wall break, standard banner is the fastest on avg

esp with the new system, but even when it wasn't there

[heavy belfry]

This thing alrdy enough to convince me she's must pull

Lol

[peak mural]

the faster you reach SI, then AI, the better

[heavy belfry]

Just waiting for @onyx crown to do his maths

[supple fern]

standard banner value as a whole also higher bc you want liter and naga asap for new account

[harsh sonnet]

a question with only A and B as the answer but you answer C kekw

[tropic sleet]

Si doesnt need to break 160 wall

[supple fern]

will help a lot in early campaign

[heavy belfry]

Y'all gotta understand

Giving Alice a team where she's not stuck with crown is super super good

[supple fern]

I broke 160 wall as soon as I reached it as a f2p, by spending a good amount of gems on standard (during a mostly dead period of the year, so didn't miss out on anything), and that's without half anni/anni free unit

[peak mural]

players nowadays got many option to assist them passing the wall

from free mlb pilgrims, to point exchange now

[tidal pendant]

I can't say cause I'm 🐬

[heavy belfry]

Hmm? I'm not sure why you're still saying this tbh

Grave is a DPS + buffer and she's not even bad
She's literally better than blanc noir

[supple fern]

always get high prio units if it's their banner, whether you spend gems on standard or not afterwards is up to you, 150 gem daily pull is a viable halfway point

[peak mural]

you don't read the context i'm talking in ?

[supple fern]

only way your account gets bricked is if you skipped the meta banner unit in order to gem on standard, or if you stay at 160 wall for multiple months

so just don't go extreme on either end

[heavy belfry]

Cindy

Idk what other context there is I'm tryna backread

[peak mural]

yes, and i'm saying you should skip grave in that specific circumstance, if you're that new to the game

[heavy belfry]

Oh that's not how it should work tho

You have the option of this magic key: rerolling

[peak mural]

that's a different topic, entirely not related

[heavy belfry]

Get both rate ups and reroll for Rh/SBS/mod

Liter is literally free rn

[peak mural]

if you put rerolling into the convo, all bets are up

no longer a valid discussion

[supple fern]

cindy higher prio than grave for new acc obviously

[heavy belfry]

I mean otherwise you're talking about players with what, 2 months of progress? They're already at SI? At chapter 20 or smthng?

The prio might be Cindy > grave but the pull prio is that both are mustpull

Grave will give them a full team for Ur and SR as well

[peak mural]

if you talk about rerolling, then it doesn't matter what context i'm talking in, "just reroll till you get both lol"

[supple fern]

you can just reroll for cindy and pull/mileage for grave

should take less than 10 rerolls

then get liter and naga

honestly a great early team of liter/grave/cindy/flex/naga

[heavy belfry]

Cindy ain't got the dawg in her for campaign anyways

[azure tree]

We have so many pulls from anniv alone, and new players should have more gem resources.

Just try and pull for Grave 200 times and spark Cindy if they don't want to reroll.

This is talking abt new players on 2nd anniv account

Both banners are priority targets

[heavy belfry]

Well if the point was to say Cindy > grave

Yeah you're right ig

[tidal pendant]

from biased personal experience Ein was better than Cindy for campaign for me so far

[heavy belfry]

But otherwise do try to pull for cindy and grave both

[heavy belfry]

Cuz she is better

[peak mural]

however if you only care about campaign, i'd say Grave is marginally better choice

cuz Cindy kinda bad

[tidal pendant]

checks out

[tropic sleet]

Was 160 walled for 2 months, refused to spend on standard banner.

Wasnt so bad since i was at the lvl 100 cap for outpost at the time and i already unlocked SI.

[peak mural]

they're different burst unit so can't really directly compare

[heavy belfry]

I had to spend 100 pulls worth of gems to get to 400 silver mileage to go past 160 wall

Standard banner is good

[misty sparrow]

Kip

[heavy belfry]

There's much more good nikkes now

[misty sparrow]

[peak mural]

it's good until you pass the wall

then it becomes useless

[heavy belfry]

Except in elysion

[heavy belfry]

Yeah

[tidal pendant]

Grave cute must pul

[heavy belfry]

God, we don't even have 5 good nikkes in elysion

Miranda had some use but now even she's fucking dead

DWife
Privaty
MaidPrivaty

And that's it??

[tidal pendant]

SSR Rapi will save Elysion

[heavy belfry]

Privaty is fkn free bro

[peak mural]

Phantom

[heavy belfry]

Nah she's ass

[peak mural]

Phantom is really good

come on man, Phantom is good

[thin viper]

You are stuck in Elysion tower and still being picky

[tidal pendant]

I can't beat Elysion f125

[heavy belfry]

Goddamn the first treasure to become totally useless is also elysion

Just kill this manufacturer bro

[coarse gust]

First i turned on Kisenix said Math is wrong

So whats going on

[thin viper]

not actually

[tidal pendant]

Ingrid the fuck you doing

[fiery seal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038708366630977566/1047768821747941376/20221201_022935.gif

[peak mural]

Diesel ?

[thin viper]

Diesel's treasure is very good

[tropic sleet]

How can you say this? But say phantom is really good?

[heavy belfry]

Yes

[thin viper]

it make your life little easier in tower

[supple fern]

stop their funding and make ingrid focus purely on mass produced nikkes, so missilis and tetra get more funding

[thin viper]

with Phantom and Diesel's treasure, you can comfy push Elysion

[peak mural]

Diesel treasure is okay, nothing too special but not too great

better than Frima

she's the one that useless

[onyx crown]

where were you when I cleared 560F with Frima

[peak mural]

yeah i used Noah

next question

[heavy belfry]

@onyx crown u made this meme, right?

[onyx crown]

not me

I stole it somewhere

[thin viper]

[heavy belfry]

Still funny

[thin viper]

Priv, both forms, carry elysion

[tidal pendant]

that's why she best girl

[peak mural]

use phantom for Elysion tower, you won't be disappointed

[heavy belfry]

It used to be 5 good units and 4 of them were helm and privaty

But now there's 4 good units and 2 of them are privaty

One of them is limited

[onyx crown]

which one?

both are not limited

[heavy belfry]

Shelm

[onyx crown]

oh

[heavy belfry]

1/4 limited
2/4 privaty
1/4 actually true meta

[onyx crown]

anyway the best team for Ely currently is D - Diesel - Phantom - Guillotine - Helm

can replace Helm with MPriv

if you don't need burst gen

[devout wren]

in my case for example

[onyx crown]

and you never need burst gen if you can constantly hit 3 Raptures

[devout wren]

i rerrolled for rh + cindy

and know im going for grave

200 tickets

then saving for new year

but im thinking about using 150 gems per day to 160 wall

[heavy belfry]

Good start

Get 100 blue tickets and get liter from the standard banner

[devout wren]

i already got liter

[heavy belfry]

Bruh

Liter grave Rh cindy

[devout wren]

xd

[heavy belfry]

What a start

[devout wren]

yep

and i have mlb rapunzel for free

so just 4 more

[peak mural]

never trust the chances

so pull accordingly

[heavy belfry]

Yk way too much about the 160 wall for a beginner

What guide did you use

[devout wren]

just watching videos while i do campaign and when there is dialogs i stop them

[heavy belfry]

Cuz neither midke.gg or midwen have it

[devout wren]

cause i like the lore

nope random yt videos

that pop up

xd

and grave good with rh no?

cause piercing thing

[heavy belfry]

Yeah

Better than crown from my understanding

[devout wren]

well and you get liter free mlb too with time

3 copies in standard and the lvl 141 box i think it was

[magic prism]

if looking for reroll, won't crown would be the best top1 target? like you have liter, naga on pull, free alice and privaty for a full squad

[devout wren]

but i dont know yet what im gonna do with the 6 picks

5 now

[devout wren]

i mean i think rh cindy is prio for what i have seen

[tidal pendant]

you can save the picks for when you close to 160

[peak mural]

yeah i think crown should be the top pick for rerolling

[heavy belfry]

1. Alice is a late game unit
2. Privaty is not considered meta anymore
3. A pilgrim b3 dps helps push the limits further than any support can

Supports need a DPS to buff to give results

[peak mural]

you can't go wrong with either Crown or Rh

[devout wren]

ye probablly gonna do that

[heavy belfry]

Rh SBS mod are the top 3 reroll picks
Followed by crown, scarlet, Cindy and liter

[devout wren]

just wait

[onyx crown]

if you want to reroll, reroll for Asuka

[devout wren]

xd

[peak mural]

xd

[tidal pendant]

xd

[devout wren]

i imagine someone in this world

rerrolling 100 times

for asuka

[magic prism]

I shouldn't even mention priv and alice because every new player will get them, what I mean was, crown should be more useful and can slot in almost any b3 with her and liter

[devout wren]

and not getting her

i dont have enough knowledge to tell you something about that so i guess? xd

[peak mural]

i kinda agree on this. However i think either Crown or RH is fine

settle for either of them and just play

[magic prism]

yeah, personally I think both are the top 2 for reroll

Mod is good, but her full potential is walled by hardware

[peak mural]

Alice is even worse in that regard

[thin viper]

Gasp

How dare you? don't listen to him, Alice. Covering her bunny ears

[misty sparrow]

Double privaty

That's sad dude

Why this company is so fucked

[coarse gust]

Elysion is jusy SU sac Lamb narrative
So u guys can spend more time complain on them, its not like they cant fix them but this is better

https://tenor.com/view/kid-thinking-sit-bored-couch-gif-17483531

[thin viper]

I have a theory about why Elysion sucks, but it relates to politics, want to hear it?

[coarse gust]

Nope i have enough from people around me

[onyx crown]

but we want to make Elysion great again

[thin viper]

Good, it's not a fun topic either.

[coarse gust]

2 more hours till Grave

[frank silo]

inb4 needs to be buffed

[tulip carbon]

inb4 Grave bug forcing whole team to double reload

[upper lagoon]

grave heat emission cause everyone to stop attacking as well is what I am expecting

[sacred tiger]

[tulip carbon]

Units take damage unless they're wearing summer bikinis

[upper lagoon]

!

we need a unit that only works with summer units

r only buffs them

[coarse gust]

I have a unit like that

[agile raft]

Any sign of grave getting alt pants skin?

[mighty mist]

she'll get it in 2030

[azure tree]

skin of her wearing underpants?

[agile raft]

Nope just straight badass long legged pants like she used to

[twin ingot]

IT'S TIME!

[tulip carbon]

Grave banner soon out, time to pull!

Proceeds to use mileage and not pull

[devout wren]

im gonna pull

wish me luck

[strong sable]

not a single ssr in 80 pulls wtf is this?

[silent maple]

You're in the 96th percentile. Congrats!

[twin ingot]

I know someone whose gone 170 without an SSR

[vernal star]

60 pulls and finally got Grave

[twin ingot]

WOOOOOOOOO

[vernal star]

Scalter dupe is always good

[twin ingot]

Yeah, finally MLB

Slowly making up for my mistake of not getting dupes during banner

[wild night]

someone test out the grave

[twin ingot]

Once I manage to pull her, I will

110 in now

[vernal star]

[twin ingot]

120~

[vernal star]

Got enough gems to MLB?

[twin ingot]

LOL

Free daily

[devout wren]

im fucking blessed 40 pulls

[twin ingot]

[vernal star]

[devout wren]

now time to save

[twin ingot]

Gonna MLB with gems then C7 with mileage

Saving the rest for xmas & NY

[mint tendon]

Nice grave in 40
Mileage saved for NY

[vernal star]

I’m going to use my last mileage to dupe either Cinderella or Grave depending which will be used a lot

[coarse gust]

Where is indi gameplay

[twin ingot]

I'm investing now

[peak mural]

MLB OR NO ?!

[ocean tiger]

core 7

[peak mural]

No

[ocean tiger]

whatever is in your budget

[strong sable]

100 pulls

[mystic laurel]

core 7

[strong sable]

100 fckin pulls and not a single ssr

[peak mural]

L

[mystic laurel]

l

[ocean tiger]

L

[vernal star]

F

https://tenor.com/view/it-might-be-time-to-reevaluate-mrwhosetheboss-change-of-plan-lets-reconsider-rethink-gif-21725739

[mighty mist]

what's the odds that getting 10 offrates and 0 pickup

[vernal star]

It’s honestly pretty high lol

I got 3 off rates before getting Grave

[twin ingot]

Welp, out of rocks now

74.59% ele, 10.40% ATK

Not terrible

[mighty mist]

and someone saying 75% ele is not terrible?

[shadow osprey]

Worth to MLB or just 1 copy enough?

[twin ingot]

It's not great, either

[mystic laurel]

2 copies bro

[twin ingot]

Got stuck with a 10% ele cuz I secured a second line

[mighty mist]

say it to my 15% ele cindy

[twin ingot]

One more rock could potentially be 85%

Oh wait, I can do interception

[pale light]

another ele atk situation i suppose, nothing else making a huge difference?

[mighty mist]

btw anyone tried burst gen of graves?

heard it's more than hilariously crazy fast

[twin ingot]

Gonna do Kraken rq for rocks then start testing

[harsh sonnet]

Is quite bothersome that I see my DKW dint cdr in time for burst

[vernal star]

56% chance for them rocks

[harsh sonnet]

Maybe just enemy jumped away lol

[rustic coyote]

[twin ingot]

100% at S7

[vernal star]

[twin ingot]

10.75% element should only take one rock to improve

WOOOOOOOOOO

Just barely made it

[harsh sonnet]

Lol that doll

[twin ingot]

20 blues left

[harsh sonnet]

Didn't grave tried to make a cake

But used mercury lol

[hollow vortex]

Ye

It's edible

[harsh sonnet]

To make it look glossy/shiny

[hollow vortex]

but only once

[supple fern]

how's she looking

can she salvage this anni?

[twin ingot]

4 rocks

Only 2% increase

[harsh sonnet]

Cooperate want you to find the difference between the two pictures

[twin ingot]

Not even sure if ammo how ammo is going to work on her

[digital chasm]

Is grave mlb good?

[twin ingot]

Why ask less than an hour since she's been released

[digital chasm]

Bc I want

[twin ingot]

Okay, Indivilia time

[digital chasm]

Nvm first 10 pull lol

[pale light]

thank you game

[twin ingot]

good for PvP?

[vernal star]

Someone is gonna make it work

[twin ingot]

300 pullsfor MLB. Not bad

HOLY THAT BURST GEN

[fossil hull]

yeah the burst gen is kinda nutty

she's basically never in her overheat mode

[twin ingot]

Heat Emission, you mean

Overheat is S2

[small crown]

so Grave must needs max ammo rolls?

[fossil hull]

oh yea her s1

[twin ingot]

Idk about max ammo yet

[willow mountain]

damn, considering you are not using any burst gen like a SR or RL that's really good

[fossil hull]

I feel like the burst gen is so high

[twin ingot]

Letting the AI use her first run and haven't been monitoring how the ammo works

[fossil hull]

you hit your next burst while she's still reloading

[twin ingot]

Ouch, Asuka died at 1:30

Damage that run

[small crown]

I do see and hear that Red Hood works as well, but I dont know what team to use with her. I do have one in mind with Liter, Asuka, Rei, and Modernia

[twin ingot]

And yeah, burst was charged before Liter was ready for second and third burst

[small crown]

yeah that was crazy lol

[sturdy shore]

does she outdmg doro in terms of support being a dps

[supple fern]

my crown did the same dmg as grave, but tbf crown overperforms in shooting range, her actual dmg in fights is lower (not sure why, maybe def), and grave could barely core hit esp since it's auto

[twin ingot]

Gonna require some manual cover-blocking of lasers

Team took too much damage so phase 2 AoE was a disaster

[twin ingot]

By far

[sturdy shore]

🫡

[mighty mist]

so c7 graves isn't that necessary?

[twin ingot]

Every dupe counts

If you're asking about C7, you're either a Grave simp or a whale anyway, so why not

[willow mountain]

For her kit it doesnt.

only improves her personal damage

[twin ingot]

Yeah, and she's a DPS, so that helps

[coral quarry]

grave buff pierce dps but you not use alice?

[twin ingot]

Trying Asuka first for less finger breaking

It's my goal to remove Alice from all AI comps

[vernal star]

Ah yes, the attacker disguised as a supporter

[mighty mist]

[crude gorge]

Oh wait

Is grave good and what does she do

[crude gorge]

The anti Alice propaganda...

[coral quarry]

fake buffer

[crude gorge]

cursed

[supple fern]

how does she compare with crown

[coral quarry]

if you looking for a b2 buffer, crown still queen

[twin ingot]

Sub-DPS and buffs

[twin ingot]

Lemme get a full run in first

[supple fern]

also that team looks hella maldy, no way I'm ever running that

[fresh coyote]

skill recommendation?

[supple fern]

esp since we gotta do AI every day

[crude gorge]

Ohu

[mighty mist]

on the other hand alice is getting her highest dmg potential ever

[twin ingot]

Note I'm just doing full auto aside from part targeting and QTE atm

That's why it's going terribly

[mighty mist]

so fucking high that she can be separated from sbs

[coral quarry]

shooting range?

[mighty mist]

what else we got

[twin ingot]

Also, important note

Grave's Reload Ratio functions on TRUE MAX AMMO, NOT BASE AMMO

So getting max ammo keeps her on Heat Emission longer

(until burst, which is super fast anyway)

At most, +1 max ammo, but probably not necessary

Hard for me to tell since I rolled a black line

[mighty mist]

[sturdy shore]

so this means skip rouge then

[coral quarry]

weird, it lower than crown naga for me

[twin ingot]

Liter killed by second AoE attack as usual

[mint tendon]

Lol highter than rei

[twin ingot]

And Rei has 66% ele

second highest on the team

Was very ez when I actually switched characters to cover-block laser

Just need a non-iron B1 that can match Liter

Okay, Crown now with Rei

[coarse gust]

So better dps than ReiA but loose out dps on others

[twin ingot]

Makes sense

Attacker > Supporter > Defender

MG doesn't save Defender ATK

Also Rei isn't maxed as a note

I could max her, but gonna see Alice results first

Not convinced those levels will get me an S7

Need to fix my ele rolls

Asuka bringing the team down

even though top damage

[coarse gust]

Use deife

Dwife

[twin ingot]

Can try that after Crown and Alice testing

Just stupidly let Crown tank a laser

[mighty mist]

who should I make doll 15 between crown and grave?

[twin ingot]

More damage with Grave for me

Units wiped at 7s left

More stressful to use Crown cuz of iron element anyway

Alice time

[supple fern]

would using naga work

[vernal star]

No I don’t wanna use Alice

My trigger finger sucks

[twin ingot]

Huge loss with Alice

Can't even S6

[vernal star]

[ocean tiger]

grave skill priority?

[onyx crater]

Hey so currently what has more potential? Cindy alone or grave + red hood and Alice?

I can only pull one and idk which

[twin ingot]

Even skill priority (burst highest, but obviously seperate unless you're low on fire mats)

[woeful gate]

burst fill gauge speed seems pretty insane honestly

[supple fern]

how well does grave work with fire team in other content

[ocean tiger]

to what level? 10/10/10? 7/7/7?

[twin ingot]

10/10/10 ultimately

[supple fern]

does indi have perma core

[twin ingot]

Yes

Didn't in Solo Raid

but AI version does

[supple fern]

would naga have a spot in such a team

[onyx crater]

Should I skip grave for Cindy?

[ocean tiger]

min investment?

[twin ingot]

Instead of Mod?

[mighty mist]

min is 1/1/1

ofc

[twin ingot]

1/1/1

ye

[mighty mist]

[supple fern]

maybe

[ocean tiger]

[twin ingot]

She doesn't have any part of her kit that demands higher level skills like, say, Alice

It's all just number increases

Burst requires 10 for 100% crit

[ocean tiger]

so for time being 7/7/7 is fine til get more mats?

[twin ingot]

ye

4/4/4 even

atm we've only tested Indivilia

Gonna try hard campaign, but I'm a bad person to test because I don't do high deficit

Someone like texas will rage if I say she's good

[supple fern]

if you gen fast enough does this part of S1 ever really happen

[twin ingot]

Nope

It's sub-1s I'm pretty sure

[woeful gate]

yeah

[supple fern]

[fossil hull]

the more you level it, the less you're actually making use of s1

[twin ingot]

That buff is for people who can't 10 the S1

[fossil hull]

[supple fern]

ok so only burst matters for support grave

[twin ingot]

Yeah, it's a weird skill that's economy friendly

[woeful gate]

timaeuss had sub-2 gauge fill on auto

on manual obviously gauge fill will be even faster

[fossil hull]

but cant deny that the burst gen feels super nice

[twin ingot]

Ah right, yeah, I can't stand the stage I'm on atm

No hard mode testing from me

Requires electric units anyway

[ornate sand]

I've got 0 gems cause of grave

Pls tell me she was worth it😭

[twin ingot]

Was worth for me

S6 on Indivilia now

If I fix Asuka ele rolls, then free S7

[ornate sand]

Ah nice

[fossil hull]

she's a very strong pierce buffer with decent damage to boot

cant really go wrong having her

[coarse gust]

You are
The real father of Grave’s child

[ornate sand]

I might aswell be
I paid child support

[twin ingot]

no that's me

[keen swan]

Why are we pulling for grave when she gets replaced in a couple months by the next fotm b2

[twin ingot]

Because Grave simp

[ornate sand]

It's anniversary and I got excited

Also
Muscles

[twin ingot]

You're talking to someone with a C7 all +5 Smol White

[mighty mist]

dem

imma stop at mlb for now

she doesn't seem worth more

[twin ingot]

tfw Grave S1 is too powerful for DKW

[woeful gate]

oof

[twin ingot]

S1 past 7 might actually be pointless

[ocean tiger]

so 7/10/10 max?

[twin ingot]

7/7/10 would be more my guess, but wait for the true numbers people

Not sure the DPS increase from S2 is worth the final three levels

Burst 10 definitely worth

[upper lagoon]

7/7/10 is ok

[twin ingot]

Man, now I want to pump rocks into DKW

EVEN WITHOUT ASUKA SHOOTING the team gen'd befor DKW cdr

[fossil hull]

yeah DKW cant keep up if you're on gaming chair alice

[twin ingot]

DKW can't keep up with Asuka/Rei/Mod

[fossil hull]

you hit the next burst a full 1s before she's ready

with lv10 s1 at least

[twin ingot]

Don't even need gaming chair

So, aside from first two bursts, Liter actually better for Grave

[upper lagoon]

yea

[woeful gate]

so raids teams so far looking like T1 crown T2 tiga t3 liter/grave T4 rouge/blanc?

[twin ingot]

Depends on boss and element

[ocean tiger]

t5 shogtun

[twin ingot]

I don't trust Grave's potency in neutral comps yet

[mighty mist]

doesn't grandma wanna be in crown team

[twin ingot]

Once again, depends

For electric-weak, Rouge Crown

For fire-weak, DKW Crown

[ocean tiger]

what is dkw?

[twin ingot]

Iron-weak who knows

D Killer Wife

[ocean tiger]

ohh

[mighty mist]

I didn't put dkw in crown last fire raid

[twin ingot]

The top damage dealers did

DKW to buff Alice is the top damage potential usage

712 parses

[digital chasm]

So do we mlb

Or mid

[twin ingot]

MLB if you're whale or want lobby BG Same as anything else

[supple fern]

did the king out-meta both grave and cinderella

[mighty mist]

nothing can dethrone the king yet

[supple fern]

future pilgrims need to stop trying to compete in b2 and b3

low odds of usurping those thrones

meanwhile b1 still got an old granny who's been on the throne forever, with only niche challengers

[fossil hull]

people will complain if b1 pilgrim releases without cdr

[supple fern]

can't wait for us to get our first meta b1 cdr pilgrim in 2030

[twin ingot]

Idk, Grave > Crown for Indivilia

for me at least

[ornate sand]

Don't you dare tell me she's mid
After I spent all my gems

[supple fern]

even if that's true that's just niche usage

[ornate sand]

Might crash out

[supple fern]

if grave can't beat her elsewhere crown's still king

[twin ingot]

That's why you don't spend everything on Day 1

[mystic laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/theshy-gragas-theshy-gragas-the-shy-the-shy-gragas-gif-14114795393204241019

[twin ingot]

Terrible gacha practice

[twin ingot]

That should've been obvious from kit alone

[ornate sand]

True

[supple fern]

[twin ingot]

Crown's mix of defensive and offensive buffs is absurd

[supple fern]

what a disappointing anni

[twin ingot]

says you

Grave now my #3 for CP

Just need more gear exp

[supple fern]

mid > (mid) pog > pog > good

trend failed

[celest echo]

Got my one grave copy, what are the OLs for her?

[mighty mist]

4 ele 4 atk

[twin ingot]

4x Ele, 4x ATK, probably Crit Damage for final

but don't quote me on it

[mighty mist]

not sure bout ammo

[celest echo]

holup you serious?

[sacred tiger]

no ammo

[twin ingot]

Ammo doesn't seem useful from my testing

[celest echo]

that's brutal

[twin ingot]

I mean, she's a DPS

[mighty mist]

that's indeed a brutal fact that every single one of nikke wants 4 ele 4 atk

[sacred tiger]

she doesn't need ammo and has 100% critchance builtin so yeah critdmg is worth

[celest echo]

so just slam it and hope for crit damage

[twin ingot]

Yeah, I don't think 12/12 is worthwhile

If you get crit damage as a third slot, great

but don't toss tons of rocks for it unless you're me

[fossil hull]

theres honestly better units to spend your rocks on

[twin ingot]

[celest echo]

also, I can safely stop at 1 copy for her right

i'm still gonna 10/10/10 her

[mighty mist]

imma pour rocks on cindy

[twin ingot]

Mhm

If you're worried about meta xmas units or NY pilgrim, then one copy

If you really like the character, MLB

If you are whale and want top 50, C7

[magic prism]

Daamn, so grave really can abuse liter's 8s cdr?

[twin ingot]

Even then, I question if she'll be that useful this solo raid

Yes

[magic prism]

Without alice?

[twin ingot]

Liter mandatory to have no cooldown past third burst

Yes

I'll record

DKW gets stomped by Grave

[magic prism]

Wth, so it really fits the triple fire dps

[celest echo]

lmao I got 3 68% ammo rolls

wtf

come on

[twin ingot]

Ammo is more helpful the lower your S1

[magic prism]

Better than my def, cspeed, and cr triple lines

[twin ingot]

But yeah, look at this

That's without Asuka firing

DKW still not fast enough

[magic prism]

What the heck was that burst gen??

Filling up the burst meter in 60fps

[twin ingot]

Her S1 is insane

That's why I said 10 potentially not necessary

[mighty mist]

bald heads are still testing but saying graves doesn't seem to be the best partner for asuka

[twin ingot]

cuz even if she can actually keep up with Liter later on, Liter is still slow the first two times

[magic prism]

So there's no need to manual grave then, full auto is fine

[twin ingot]

Yup

[coarse gust]

An Asuka enthusiast

[fossil hull]

I mean if you really want to min max her damage then you can control her since she basically works like a clip sg once the burst runs out

[twin ingot]

Not actually. Just got god rolls from the start for CP

[fossil hull]

but idk how much more damage that will actually provide

[twin ingot]

I don't even like NGE

Asuka got 11 lines from initial rolls

so lots of CP

[upper lagoon]

same dun like NGE

but mlb Asuka

[magic prism]

I didn't get grave in 50, decided just to ticket her for my sanity

[proper reef]

Hows Graves dmg relative to other dps units or b2's

Like Naga for example

[celest echo]

nice boots at least

[fossil hull]

pretty much perfect boots

[twin ingot]

Naga and Grave aren't comparable

Niiice

Naga requires a shielder to function

Grave is standalone

[celest echo]

do the MLBs really make a 30k difference in CP?

[twin ingot]

Depends on your level

[proper reef]

So is it higher or lower lol

[celest echo]

I'm 427

[rare sandal]

No?

[twin ingot]

Grave solo > Naga solo

[proper reef]

Just said Naga since imo shes the only b2 with marginal dmg

[celest echo]

oh, forgot my doll

that's prob 10-15k right there

[twin ingot]

Rem, Viper, and Grave all deal more damage than Naga

[proper reef]

U think its worth getting high ele/high attack?

[rare sandal]

That's obvious.

[twin ingot]

Apparently not if they're being compared as B2s

cuz comparing Tia/Naga to Grave means you're actually comparing Tia with whatever other unit is being put in

[proper reef]

Rem is obv, and not many pulled for vipers treasure

[rare sandal]

With Alice, need to replace Modernia with Crown/Naga.

[ornate sand]

so whats fire team now?
and is it worth making 1 if i skipped asuka?

[twin ingot]

You'd just stick Alice in place of Asuka

If you don't have any NGE, then you don't have fire comp

[ornate sand]

i see lmao

[twin ingot]

You'd probably just have to do Liter/Crown/Alice/RH/Naga

Actually no, cuz RH would get wiped

With Grave, one could do Liter/Grave/Alice/Flex/Modernia still

SBS I guess for flex

[ornate sand]

yeah i guess SBS flex

why does no one use her in fire anyways?

[twin ingot]

SBS always good

Cuz Asuka > SBS for Indivilia

[ornate sand]

oh makes sense

[twin ingot]

Asuka and Rei were designed for mono-fire

[vernal star]

its element dmg thats why

[twin ingot]

and permanent core means that pierce is delicious

also AR

SBS is the neutral queen

[vernal star]

no more trigger finger breaking

[twin ingot]

SBS only wins in water because our water DPS units are still weak

QeQ and Phantom helped a bit, but they're still no Pilgrims

[vernal star]

Quency is way better than phantom

[twin ingot]

For bossing, yes

[ornate sand]

yeah winter upd is gonna have meta water that ill probs skip again lol

[twin ingot]

Phantom still way better than any non-X Lud DPS we had previously

[upper lagoon]

my alice is staying sbs bitch

[vernal star]

its a good thing i have MLB X Lud then

[upper lagoon]

no ele lines on her but all ammo

[vernal star]

no ele? Alice is gonna suffer hard

[twin ingot]

Still loses to Grave + NGEMod

but yeah, Naga > Mod for sure with Alice

I was just testing Crown solo vs Grave solo

Crown + Naga synergy is too good

It's the main reason that Grave has no hope to pass Crown in general content

Grave is pierce-buff focused, provides no defensive utility, and doesn't synergize with Naga

[ornate sand]

so any uses for grave without NGE?

only SR?

[twin ingot]

If you don't have Mari either, then she may go with RH or SW/MW when Tiga is with other units

cuz Grave's main competitor is Mari for solo raid

[upper lagoon]

Looks at my 1/1/1 mari

[ornate sand]

i see
i just want the most amount of gems for a casual ngl in SR

[twin ingot]

The question is whether Grave's DPS outweighs Mari's offensive utility

[vernal star]

Did you not have enough to pull for all NGE collab units? They were all considered meta units

and they wont be coming back

[ornate sand]

broke my phone and didnt have a pc at the time
only came back after all collabs

[vernal star]

ooof

[ornate sand]

yeah lmao

but im not worried collabs usually get creeped eventually

[upper lagoon]

i want to say yes

[proper reef]

So is Grave's main gimmick her dps or supportive capabilities

[twin ingot]

For fire-weak, DPS

but she's still a sub-DPS

[proper reef]

Would that make her heavily OL reliant since she's a pseudo dps

[twin ingot]

Pierce buffing would be her main focus for other raids

[proper reef]

Ic

[twin ingot]

so OL rolls only need to be fine tuned for fire-weak raids imo

[devout wren]

so how is grave looking?

[twin ingot]

(or AI Indivilia)

[twin ingot]

My stance would be competitive B2 for solo raid and AI Indivilia, but nothing gamechanging

[devout wren]

for who is she good?

[twin ingot]

Pierce DPS units

Asuka, Alice, RH, maybe SW/MW

[devout wren]

okay

well i have rh

[twin ingot]

I'd try her vs Ultra, but Crown is too necessary

[devout wren]

probably gonna be fine for campaign

[devout wren]

xdd

so pilgrims doesnt get reruns no?

[twin ingot]

Only Modernia got a rerun

Doro and RH did not

[azure tree]

Campaign definitely prefers Crown + Naga comb

[devout wren]

cause i have good dps

now i need buffers xd

[azure tree]

And Crown's taunt often clutch there

[twin ingot]

I can't vouch for campaign cuz I'm a filthy casual who won't go higher than 29% deficit

[upper lagoon]

I expect Grave to keep her place among the b2s right behind crown

[rare sandal]

Yeah cus Rei buffs Grave

[upper lagoon]

SU is gonna release some nutty fire unit not tied to NGE to make ppl who skipped spend

[mighty mist]

what’s nge

[upper lagoon]

Evangelion

[coarse gust]

Shafted on banner ugh

[tulip carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-victory-rupee-money-gif-27653186

I threw gold mileage at it

[final moat]

How you reach 31 hard

I am like hard 10 and it is already 400k

31 hard should be 1m or something

So crown better than grave?

[rare sandal]

I alr expected this

Great for Indiv

And just good overall

I guess prydwen's review coming out today

I prewrote a 3000 word essay thats accurate

[twin ingot]

Neon Genesis Evangelion

Although technically the verisons of the characters they used are Rebuild, not Neon Genesis

[coarse gust]

final tier list for both too?

[twin ingot]

Weirdly Assault is probably best cube for her

but who has that levelled enough to matter?

[final moat]

I doubt about accuracy

[rare sandal]

😦

[dense pendant]

14 full bursts with grave

maximizing liter cdr

[coarse gust]

[twin ingot]

Wait, the burst gen seriously makes up for the delay on second two bursts!?

[coarse gust]

idk what that means but sound pog

[twin ingot]

It did feel like it, but I hadn't counted

[dense pendant]

dont bother the ammo OL/ manual grave

[coarse gust]

yes i didnt get the Ammo

[dense pendant]

yeah i counted

[twin ingot]

That's spectacular

[dense pendant]

14th burst ended with this much but that's because the boss jumped off at one point and delay my gen

[rare sandal]

4 november btw

[twin ingot]

Yup, once we figured out the reload ratio, her kit is straightforward

S2 is just a super complicated setup for "more damage"

[dense pendant]

beautiful burst gen

[twin ingot]

S1 is so absurd

[dense pendant]

lvl 7 S1 btw

lol

[rare sandal]

Does Overheat II and III end with Prediction end?

[dense pendant]

basically her S2 ended immediately when burst end

and restart from scratch when burst start again

[rare sandal]

Exactly as I write.

[dense pendant]

doesnt matter how fast you burst

[rare sandal]

Interrupting early gives her more damage.

[twin ingot]

Yeah, if it weren't for my lack of reset tokens, I'd probably reset and lower S1 to 7

[dense pendant]

her S2 kinda sucky

[twin ingot]

10 is entirely unnecessary

[dense pendant]

by the time it get to phase 3 there's only 15 bullet left lol

prob designed to work with Mod burst?

10 4 10

7 is enough for S1 but 10 MAYBE give you ONE whole extra second somehow

[coral quarry]

is she better than crown?

[dense pendant]

no

[rare sandal]

No, doesnt extend.

[dense pendant]

ah right i forgot

[rare sandal]

You need to interrupt her early.

[dense pendant]

10s
end

[rare sandal]

So she can stay in Stack 3 longer.

[dense pendant]

interupt what

[rare sandal]

Better in slower teams.

Her basic attack.

Stop her reload early.

[dense pendant]

look at my vid

did you see her finish reloading?

the stack count still reset

i checked

[rare sandal]

Yeah, too fast team.

S2 is better on slower teams.

[dense pendant]

you mean letting her shoot 15 ammo before bursting so she start stack early?

[rare sandal]

Not letting her if your team is slow.

[little oyster]

whats the difference between liter and dkw in the fire comp now

[rare sandal]

Look shes not gonna be paired with Alice except next raid.

Crown will join Cindy for Behemoth.

[coral quarry]

dkw not buff asuka

[rare sandal]

So unless Grave outpowers Tiga, Idk.

[little oyster]

ight ty

[rare sandal]

Second of all, you'd likely pair her with Red Hood and Asuka or Rei or Mod if any.

[tropic sleet]

does grave beat nihil as fire b2 pilgrim?

[twin ingot]

LOL

Yes

[rare sandal]

Who is Nihil?

[twin ingot]

[tropic sleet]

i forgor

[willow mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012288696336273428/1284310108276391977/AnisWheeze.gif

[dense pendant]

ok S1 need 10 for sure

[twin ingot]

I guess MGs have particular synergy with hit

[dense pendant]

probably asuka contributed good burst gen earlier

[twin ingot]

This is without Asuka firing

[rare sandal]

Yeah u used Asuka and Mod u gain super saiyan burst gen

[dense pendant]

oh wow

machine gun?

[rare sandal]

Its Mod

Not machine gun

Mod is an exception

[dense pendant]

i guess

[rare sandal]

Asuka Scarlet Grave are exception too

[dense pendant]

alright S1 lvl 10

[rare sandal]

Her burst gen same as Scarlet

[dense pendant]

i reset my leona 101010 so i have mats lol

[rare sandal]

I mean Grave

Idk maybe u want that for pvp

Pretty decent ngl

Not dupe worth

But OL worth

[dense pendant]

[rare sandal]

This is so wrong.

[dense pendant]

prove me

[rare sandal]

Go do Indivilia and Harvester.

Wait no.

Do Kraken.