[Grave] New Unit Megathread

[misty sparrow]

Crown creeping rem is kinda understandable

Srasonna was a free blanc not bad at all

Mari creeping blanc srosanna rem etc was too much

now grave

[tulip carbon]

Hm, would Laplace love Grave?

[rocky ember]

Not really
It would only work with burst skill

[dense pendant]

yeah they"ll work

[past yacht]

mari could be useful this raid

sroca is dead

[severe needle]

skill reset timing aligns with Solo Raid no, just wait before deciding

[twin ingot]

Don't skill reset for Grave until after you've input solo raid score

[severe needle]

S.Rose could still be used one last time before being put into the grave

[twin ingot]

She'll probably come back next wind-weak raid, but

Can always reinvest

Oh right

Has anyone checked the clickable text about her heat emission?

She should be in Nikkepedia now, right?

[past yacht]

so reload speed is griefing

[twin ingot]

Ah yeah, if she loses it at burst, then there's no reason to ever manually get rid of it

[magic prism]

Just as predicted

[past yacht]

you want to not shoot with her after burst

her reload speed is 2 seconds

[twin ingot]

Shooting is fine

[past yacht]

and she reloads twice

[twin ingot]

She has gimped reload

[past yacht]

first line

you can't shoot if you want to keep the buffs

[magic prism]

Does she shooting is better than atk damage up for other units though?

[twin ingot]

Nah

Her damage is packed in her burst

AR outside of burst is meme

[past yacht]

yeah

you don't shoot until burst

and with gen buff

you get to burst asap

it lasts 4 seconds

[twin ingot]

So Grave will be manual intensive

[past yacht]

very

[twin ingot]

Definitely means she'll want to go with Asuka/Rei/Mod

[mystic laurel]

does grave fart

[twin ingot]

Cuz you can't spam shoot with Alice off-burst if you have to babysit Grave

[magic prism]

To make her not reloading at all?

[rare sandal]

Anyways she doesnt need max ammo

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[rare sandal]

No

She is fine

Auto friendly

U dont want her to shoot after full burst

In fact

Lmao

Easy 3s rotations

Thats the key to Grave

[twin ingot]

That's why she's not auto friendly

[rare sandal]

Wdym

She loses all ammo after full burst

Lmao

Read skill 1

[twin ingot]

Yes, then she'll reload it

Gotta interrupt reload without shooting

Cover dance

[rare sandal]

Huh

Wdym

She reloads long enough

SHE NEEDS 4+ SECS TO RELOAD

[twin ingot]

No she doesn't

[rare sandal]

WHAT DO U NEED

Thats ENOUGH

For CDR

[twin ingot]

lol that's not enough

[rare sandal]

Skill issue

[twin ingot]

2 MGs, 2 ARs, and and SMG can gen burst in 4s?

Fire comp without Alice is turtle slow burst gen

[twin ingot]

Says the one who called Cinderella mid

[rare sandal]

She is mid

[twin ingot]

Right

[mystic laurel]

cindy mid ong

[crude gorge]

Do we. Have news for when she comes out

[paper lintel]

Next week, I think

[valid mesa]

Yeah 7 days later as with any 2-banner event

[fast vigil]

guys, is she worth the pulls or mileage?

[heavy belfry]

1% banner, mileage preferred

[celest sedge]

does she look like crown tier to you guys

[green arrow]

nope

crown is way more versatile

grave is just raw offensive power

crown has both op offense+defense

[fast vigil]

between her and Cindy?

[heavy belfry]

Mari powercreep

[heavy belfry]

Hmm Id say Cindy over grave

They gonna release a new B2 powercreep by like 2 months anyways

Much more volatile slot unless you're crown

Crown is so good, she's like the liter of b2s

[fast vigil]

thank you very much for this answer, seems like I'd just pull grave with leftover tickets later

[fast vigil]

based on speculation of 2nd gen pilgrim ?

[heavy belfry]

No, just the rate at which past B2s have died

Rem was like, 2 month hype after which crown dropped
Then srosa dropped
Then Mari dropped
And now grave

It's powercreep upon powercreep

[green arrow]

diesel treasure -> killed by mari -> killed by grave

[heavy belfry]

All occupying just one slot

[heavy belfry]

That also happened

Diesel treasure

[fast vigil]

ah I see

[heavy belfry]

Mari is still alive and well but blanc might be in trouble now

[fast vigil]

yeah, makes sense

[green arrow]

mari doesn't heal

blanc make teams real comfy

[heavy belfry]

Yeah like we need heal now lol

[green arrow]

you do

it's just way more comfortable

[heavy belfry]

SB raid was the last raid where the top players used a healer

[green arrow]

most players aren't top players

don't talk from the perspective of the top 0.0001% players

who has c7, sr15 dolls on everyone

and 10/10/10 skills

[heavy belfry]

Yeah but you can aim for it

At least for the past 3 raids most of us were able to run all healerless teams in general

[green arrow]

that’s on the bosses being a snoozefest

you can’t assume every solo raid is gonna be piss simple from this point on unless SU literally made 6-7 snoozefest solo raids in a row

[thin viper]

Reset Mari then? or just save her for solo raids

I will get Grave though.

[misty sparrow]

Mari>blanc, srosanna

[silent maple]

You were able to make 5 healerless teams for Mirror Container?

[willow mountain]

Do we have a comparative of Mari Vs Grave vs a boss with parts and No core?

[heavy belfry]

no core means mari is shit

easy as that

[minor sinew]

there are few hole under her boobs, and with my 34" monitor , i can clearly saw the cleavage
wanna put a cup there, haverst it eveyday after works

[sly kestrel]

that's for her heat emission

[tulip carbon]

Don’t put your hand there, you’ll suffer 3rd degree burns

[past yacht]

worth it

[dense pendant]

what for again

from what i see here

you just ignore her and swap to alice to burst gen immediately when burst ends

need ammo OL so she reload more than 15 damn bullets that's all

just 2 ammo OL and it should be enough for her to not reload during the 3 sec time burst regen

[valid mesa]

Ammo OL probably won't make a difference

Reload ratio suggests she needs two reloads regardless of ammo amount, like how normally it's one reload regardless of ammo amount

She's not suddenly becoming a clip reload doing a fixed 3 ammo at a time

Let's say her base ammo is 100

Reload 50 + reload 50, 4 seconds total

You get 100% max ammo.

Reload 100 + reload 100

Still 4 seconds

Would be fucking hilarious if the 50% rounds down so you need to very specifically have an odd number of bullets to spend 6 seconds reloading

201 max ammo -> reload 100, reload 100, reload 1

Anyway if you're running Alice and not dumb enough to put resilience on Grave to reduce reload time, you've got 4 seconds to burst again which should be enough.

If running Asuka & Rei & Modernia not sure if Grave gives enough burst gen for 4 seconds, might need to cover dance to delay the second reload

[past yacht]

you lose half reload

after you reload a 2nd time

[valid mesa]

Or after you fire a bullet

[past yacht]

because you lose the buff when you shoot and you have to shoot to empty your mag after 2nd reload

[valid mesa]

So if you want to keep the team pierce & burst gen buffs (you do) you need to cover dance

Because outside burst Grave is more useful reloading than shooting

[past yacht]

cover dance is so bad imho

I would pray 4 seconds is enough

[valid mesa]

Oh wait can't you also manual her and aim at the sky????

[past yacht]

to next burst

[valid mesa]

After first reload?

[past yacht]

I feel like the first line is trying to say if you get out of cover to shoot you lose the buff

and we might get baited by en translation

do we have any kr players here rn

[valid mesa]

I'm just saying if you don't aim at an obstacle or rapture then she won't shoot

[past yacht]

to see how it looks there

[valid mesa]

So might have an alternative to cover dance - just don't aim at the boss

Asuka/Rei/Modernia??

Maybe Indivilia but for SR Alice will stay with SBS

[past yacht]

I think her team would be something with tia and asuka and we will delegate the naga to crown fulltime

tia-cdr-asuka-grave

if its fire weak

we might steal alice

[twin ingot]

I think it'll be Grave-Alice for the Indivilia S9 clear, but I think Rei will still be more used for comfort for S7. And in SR, as Sunburnt already said, SBS needs Alice too much, so, unless fire-weak, Alice has other duties

[peak mural]

is she viable in campaign ?

[heavy belfry]

Don't see why not

[green arrow]

fighting with crown

[heavy belfry]

Well she loses the fight but still usable

[sharp portal]

Remember no taunt anymore, means your dps will randomly die

Just a bit more mald

[heavy belfry]

It's just as if you were using Mari

Stronger buffs tbo

Tho

{1+.1548+.2066} × {1+.484+.482+.3998+.308+.528}

1.3614
×
3.2018

×4.35 self buff

[tidal pendant]

mono fire team

D, Grave, fire trio

[heavy belfry]

4.35 × .89

×3.88 self buff

[heavy belfry]

With 100% uptime of all of these buffs during full burst EXCEPT: "heat emission is removed under certain conditions" what the fuck are these conditions shiftup

[past yacht]

pins

[heavy belfry]

How do you launch a normal attack during reloading

[past yacht]

by shooting

she reloads 50%

[heavy belfry]

Ngl this is shit

[past yacht]

so you reload twice on 2 sec so 4 sec buff uptime

unless you manual to aim random corners and not shoot if that how it works

but I guess spaming with a sr/rl would be more value

[tropic sleet]

I think she can cancel the reload or smthn?

[heavy belfry]

Well, remove that first buff

Cuz it's shit uptime

[past yacht]

4 sec

thats enough to fill burst bar in most teams

unless its a mg team

[heavy belfry]

Who cares about that

I'm talking about the 40% buff

Oh wait
50% buff

It's to all allies and low uptime

[past yacht]

we already assumed it was off burst anyways

[heavy belfry]

×3.30 self buff
×1.8818 team buff

She's like ×3 scarlet if she doesn't have ammo/reload problems

[past yacht]

x3 scar huh

[heavy belfry]

And she gives 88% buffs to piercers

[heavy belfry]

Ok maybe not that

Oh there's

[past yacht]

her autos has the highest amongst other ar's

afaik

[heavy belfry]

■ Affects target enemy.
Deals 17.91% ATK as damage.
Generates 0.45% of Burst Gauge.

Hmm

[past yacht]

let me see scar first

[heavy belfry]

Grave: 17.91% × 3.30 = .59103
Scarlet: 27.08% × 2.1575 = .584251
Asuka: 18.76% × 4.92 = .922

[past yacht]

ok not high as scar

but still higher than others

[heavy belfry]

Slightly stronger than scarlet

[past yacht]

asuka

[heavy belfry]

I forgot base weapon multipliers exist

[past yacht]

phantom

[heavy belfry]

Fuck this hoe

[heavy belfry]

We can do her tho

[past yacht]

imagine your b2 buffer doing the same damage as your b3 nuker

[heavy belfry]

Wait what

Asuka is ×4.92

[past yacht]

asuka is insane

thats why

[heavy belfry]

Wtf she's like ×2 scar per bullet and that's not including the core damage buffs

Or the possible ele buff

[past yacht]

whats we call midlet

you add the low hp buff too right

[heavy belfry]

Midlet

[fossil patrol]

Inb4 grave bug

[frank silo]

graves bug will be her in heat 24/7

[heavy belfry]

Damn, I hope she'll be in heat 24/7

[misty sparrow]

I read people in heat

[rare sandal]

Only in Fire Weak.

Also same team.

Asuka Alice.

Can use RH Alice if needed.

[thin viper]

Very useful on hard stages relate to Fire weak, which is 28 to 32

Grave make your life easier

[rare sandal]

Yeah but

Over Crown?

[thin viper]

Faster burst, pierce dmg, and more ammo.

She basically click everything needed to overcome those bullshit hard stages.

Beside shield of course.

You don't use combo Crown/Naga anyway, as RH take one slot.

Like I said, niche use

[onyx crown]

[mighty mist]

dem shooting pepe

[peak mural]

Crown taunt is still a crucial part to hard stages

[coarse gust]

dont have to taunt if u already pierce them first

[fleet spoke]

Grave is hot but she is no red shoes

[tidal pendant]

the choice is between Rock and Pillow

[mystic laurel]

are they pilgrims?

[sonic juniper]

It's actually sbs and Alice lol. Rh is just team 2

Sbs and Alice being top 1 for many raids is so boring

[lost gale]

easy skip?

[winged swan]

There are two wolves inside me

Wishing for her to be easy skip : I DON'T WANNA ROLL OR MILEAGE ANYMORE
Gotta save for Christmas and NY

Wishing for her to not be an easy skip :
I don't want those abs and muscles to be useless

[untold crag]

easy skip ? lol she's not XD

arent people comparing her to a more offensive crown ?

[gaunt dawn]

Grave can't be easy skip
should get at least one copy unless you somehow have a reason not to

[misty sparrow]

Alice loses the reload speed, not a problem if your Alice has 20+ bullets

the shield is important too

But the massive DMG to pierce units is quite good

[lost gale]

what will happen if they release another good b2

[valid mesa]

Look at it the other way, If they add a B1 CDR who applies damage taken debuff with burst......

Fire team gonna hit the god damn moon

Asuka gonna deal enough damage to pierce the heavens and kill god

[twin ingot]

No Pilgrim is an easy skip

[lost gale]

will they add more boss that deals no dmg lol

[twin ingot]

Likelihood of getting them alone is too problematic

[valid mesa]

Asuka & Grave both self heal, Rei gives shield, fire team is fine~~~~

[boreal quail]

graves does not give any hit rate buff right?

[boreal quail]

eden pilgrim is

except doro

[twin ingot]

They can't be skips cuz no banner

Also Noah is absolutely necessary for PvP

[peak mural]

Grave is weird man

support unit with more than half of kit only benefit herself

[valid mesa]

I mean S1 & B3 both buff party

So she's definitely "a support"

She just also deals damage

[boreal quail]

like crown who has only 1 defensive skill

[winged swan]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-6533142189269812111

[boreal quail]

and bunch of support skill

[winged swan]

My mileage tickets are in danger

[valid mesa]

Crown S2 & B3 both defend the party.

I think when 2/3 skills contribute to the class it's fine

[peak mural]

at least she has no caster atk skills

so we absolutely dont need dupes on her

[valid mesa]

Wow what about her own damage tho

The lack of caster atk is what makes me think she might actually deal good personal damage

[peak mural]

she's a supporter unit so her dmg gain from dupe is also pretty small

doll gonna be important though

[valid mesa]

DMG gain is the same as always

2% is 2%

[peak mural]

i mean 2% of supporter is lower than 2% of attacker

[valid mesa]

Sure, but it still boosts her own damage by 2%

I guess flat buffs dilute it very slightly

Like Rei's caster ATK buff

Or doll stats buff

[winged swan]

Well i have both Asuka and Rei
I guess Grave would be worth rolling

[valid mesa]

Grave is Asuka's best friend forever

They buff each other in a very symbiotic relationship

[winged swan]

Even Base Asuka ?

I didn't get lucky with dupes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162018148522934312.png?quality=lossless&name=saluteSkull&size=48

[peak mural]

yeah

cuz Asuka is a beast even with 0lb

[valid mesa]

Grave gives Asuka ATK% and Pierce% up

Asuka gives Grave core damage

Even at no dupes they'll hit like a truck

[peak mural]

you won't feel it if you dont invest in her, but Asuka absolutely slay everything

i couldnt imagine Asuka being that strong

[winged swan]

Well now i know who i will prioritize on leveling next
I didn't touch her because I believed she would be powercrept when Anni drops
didn't know she would get a best friend instead lmao

[peak mural]

Asuka is here to stay forever

invest in her is good

[valid mesa]

B1/Grave/Asuka/Alice/Modernia

Is almost certainly going to be the #1 team for any fire weak boss

[peak mural]

you dont want Alice there

better go with sbs

more return

[valid mesa]

Not even for inception?

[peak mural]

ah inception is different

[valid mesa]

Yeah for soloraid split Alice off

[peak mural]

yeah i think that's a solid team

Fire is so fucking strong now it's unreal

[twin ingot]

Even with interception, pretty sure Asuka does more than auto-Alice does, so unless you use gaming chair or like breaking your finger, Asuka is worthwhile

[boreal quail]

ppl who used alice as reason on not pulling for asuka just pathetic

its fine to say you don need it

but not everyone can pull off 3 clicks per sec

so asuka is a nice alternative

[peak mural]

i hate the clicky Alice gameplay

only do it in solo raid cuz i have to

and i refuse to use m san

[twin ingot]

Alice also has an extremely high expense OL-roll wise

Asuka has a higher damage floor than Alice by far

Heck, a 1/1/1 no OL Grave will deal more damage than a 1/1/1 no OL Alice

[boreal quail]

they went omg "free" alice

now you don need to pull for asuka

like jesus you tards, thats just vanilla alice

[minor sinew]

tell them only kiddo pick one, beeg balls take them all

[boreal quail]

i heard some of them even get pissy because asuka is meta

[thin viper]

I mean, you miss her and she is gone, forever

a truly limited meta

no one like that

[lost gale]

Me: barely get s6 Indivilia after investing in alice mod for 2 years

[grim raft]

https://tenor.com/view/weak-weakness-disgusts-me-disgusted-disgusting-gif-17171223

[slow orchid]

Cant wait until Thursday to S9 Indivilia

[silver talon]

My policy for limited characters is to always pull at least 1

[misty sparrow]

Grave's not limited character

[green arrow]

no but after her banner it might as well be limited

1 in 2600 chance to pull her

[fleet spoke]

Snow white is limited on my account

I pulled over 5000 times

[shadow topaz]

there is one big reason to pull grave thats not being mentioned enough

[unique pivot]

[misty sparrow]

Damn double armpits

[jolly imp]

Can’t wait to reset mari

[misty sparrow]

Why mari

Mari still useful

[coarse gust]

Mari useful for at least 6-8 months - Quoted Snake

Premature eos

[misty sparrow]

Maybe the pin isn't that clear

Sure grave will creep Mari but not kicking her out of solo raid

[thin viper]

2 more powercreep

[past yacht]

whats the current b2 lineup for raids

[misty sparrow]

Crown, grave, Naga, Mari, Blanc/Leona

[onyx crown]

what raid?

[misty sparrow]

[frank silo]

Crown, Naga, Mari, Leona and/or Blanc, SRosanna?

[past yacht]

hypothetical one

[onyx crown]

Rem for Laplace

[misty sparrow]

El forgot grave in grave's thread

[frank silo]

Grave not yet

just listing the current ones

[misty sparrow]

[frank silo]

grave not in yet

[misty sparrow]

[past yacht]

we probably ship rouge with blanc until grave

so sroco is already out I guess

also we might keep mari longer if we ship naga to crown and make tia-cdr-grave

a thing

[misty sparrow]

Behemoth raid P1 will be Cindy crown rouge sanis

Grave alice

easy

[past yacht]

I have a tinfoil hat theory

they are adding this pierce buffers to nerf pierce units but also keep them playable

we won't be getting pierceable bosses anymore

so the multi hit pierce dream will be dead

rip sw

[misty sparrow]

Behemoth is pierceable

[frank silo]

how you gonna tia without cover repair consistently on her

liter ain't consistent enough to proc her CDR

[misty sparrow]

Use Naga...

[frank silo]

#1299716274670010399 message

you got 2 nagas?

[past yacht]

hmm

[misty sparrow]

Nah Naga crown isn't the best comp

only if boss has core for 3 mins

Otherwise better crown priv

[slow orchid]

Zwei

[past yacht]

cdr

[misty sparrow]

Zwho?

[misty sparrow]

Dolla

[past yacht]

we need another b1 cdr with cover repair

[past yacht]

so, tia-zwei-grave-dolla ?

[slow orchid]

Why dont you ask a B1 can do everything in 2.5

[misty sparrow]

or maybe new year

[past yacht]

thats on 3

[misty sparrow]

Why wait till 2.5

[slow orchid]

Rapi NY

[past yacht]

2.5 is pilgrim duo

[misty sparrow]

[slow orchid]

Pilgrim Iron RL

[past yacht]

1 rl 1 mg

rl is support mg is dps

[slow orchid]

1 B3

Trolling

[past yacht]

they said dolla first

[frank silo]

year 3 is the year of B1 powercreep surely

[misty sparrow]

tia zwei dolla X2 B3 flex

[slow orchid]

If the lightning is super strong then we will need healer for real

On Behemoth

[misty sparrow]

she seems tanky af

[past yacht]

she might be impossible without healer

[misty sparrow]

Oh wait solo raid

XD

[past yacht]

and I'm afraid we have to mald on sbs team

[misty sparrow]

Grave alice SBS?

[slow orchid]

If they really do that then it should be a big problem

Since shielder wont help much

[misty sparrow]

[slow orchid]

Maybe it's why they postponed raid

[misty sparrow]

NGL I need my solo raid

[past yacht]

they postponed raid to sell mlb graves

[misty sparrow]

and after buff Cindy sells her gacha skin like hotcakes

"commanders we apologize for the mistake we decide to hyper buff Cindy"

Then you can give us your whole monthly money

[severe grotto]

so is grave a must pull as off rn?

[green arrow]

yes 1 copy, at least for solo raid use

[unique pivot]

pull for abs

[shadow topaz]

[thin viper]

Fun fact: the reason Grave have abs because old model NIKKE can gain muscles, but latest generation doesn't have to and still maintain physical prowess (basically they replace muscles with robotic in latest gen)

[fleet spoke]

Gungrave

[twin ingot]

Must-mileage Save pulls for for xmas, especially newer players and those who didn't get X Lud last year

[valid mesa]

If X Lud is gonna be on the new banners instead of getting her own then she'll also want mileage tbh

That's what they did last Christmas, but then Summer units got proper reruns

[shadow topaz]

yeah this time it should also be 2 seperate banners

[magic prism]

they should totally do what they did on last summer. proper banner.
I got spooked twice by xRupee and now she's mlb
how I wish it was xAnne

[peak mural]

separate banner is obviously the better choice, but i think they need to change the way it work

just make it into a selector kinda banner, where you group all the previous limited season unit and let player choose which one to pull

scroll through 4 limited banner is kinda tiring

[onyx crown]

you have 4 limited char combined into 1

good luck

[peak mural]

nah it's like a banner where you select your rate up char

not all 4 rate up in same like before

so for summer you choose between neon sanis ssakura srosa smary shelm

better UX than having to scroll through 6 banner, not counting new banner, standard banner and friendship banner

[ember kiln]

What’s better, Mlb Cindy and Mlb Grave or 1 copy grave and core 3 cindy?

[twin ingot]

gotta wait and see how buggy Grave is so she can get buffed

Realistically need to see how impactful Grave will be vs AI Indivilia

Cindy is already BiS for Mirror Container and will be a mandatory unit for electric raids

but B2 is extremely competitive

[ember kiln]

Ya i guess my question is premature

[twin ingot]

More likely than not, Cindy is the better MLB

We naturally need more B3s than B2s, and Cindy not only deals a ton of damage but has the previously unique characteristic of 2B of being a tank DPS

Grave's self-heal isn't that strong considering she hurts herself, and her buffs are entirely offensive, so she may get axed in raids with high incoming damage

[ember kiln]

I see, thanks for your insight. I'll wait and see on how her release turns out as well

[twin ingot]

I can't judge for high deficit hard campaign since I'm not masochistic enough, but I'll be maxing her out as much as I can and testing elsewhere

Doll is the only thing I may not be able to max immediately

[past yacht]

I'm so not ready for grave

[mighty mist]

time to reset skills

[past yacht]

so you're saying reset sw

[mighty mist]

seems worth

[past yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008356621027651594/1301338759954042970/image.png?ex=672b5dea&is=672a0c6a&hm=cd77a02501685c92afc8c5b40c63a54b1c2e4584e7bcf239f9c9436f10526b9b&

this but sroco and miranda resetted

man my early game shit levels ups brickingme

[twin ingot]

Oh wait, you actually have low investment in Blanc

[past yacht]

I got bunnies after jk's

[mighty mist]

his blanc is not even burst 10

[past yacht]

never had time to get to them

[peak mural]

fix your formula warnings man

[mighty mist]

so uhh

reset miranda?

[past yacht]

miranda and sroco

is already resetted

this is an old ss

1 reset left

unless they give us 1 more reset for cindy

[mighty mist]

next candidate is rei then

[past yacht]

rei already dead ?

[mighty mist]

she's ded after raid ended

until another fire raid

[past yacht]

whats the indi team with grave

don't you cope on rei

[twin ingot]

Zwei is technically better than Miranda anyway iirc

[past yacht]

skipped her

[mighty mist]

dkw grave asuka alice naga

[twin ingot]

Either works I think, but Rei reduces likelihood of a wipe in Phase 2

cuz removing Crown makes things dangerous

[past yacht]

naga without shields ?

[twin ingot]

Oh woops, Modernia

[past yacht]

does she even give anything

[twin ingot]

Quadruple fire DPS

pray that Asuka tanks everything

[peak mural]

time to reset quency

till next water raid

[twin ingot]

But AI Harvester

[mighty mist]

yea I'm investing quency for harvester

and missiles tower

[peak mural]

oh yeah i forgot about AI Harvester

that's what doing Kraken do to you

[twin ingot]

We'll run out of gear eventually

[mint tendon]

Dont worry soon she be dead too lol

[peak mural]

i have 8 full pilgrim support set

so i'm set

[past yacht]

I'm also safe on pilgrims

but tetra

...

[peak mural]

if you wanna be extra careful just get at least 1 set for each possible combination of company/class

[mighty mist]

ffs I need infinite modules but also gears are short

[willow mountain]

Just do those anomalies now tbh. I got 0 rocks yesterday (outside of pity) from S7 clears but then I piloted a friend's account for MC and got 3 rocks + 2 gear

[silent maple]

that's what the converter is for

explicitly for Tetra gear 😛

[twin ingot]

Converter is a scam. Imagine sacrificing gear exp

[silent maple]

you consume T9m?

[misty sparrow]

don't sacrifice T9m guys

[twin ingot]

I don't, but I'd rather consume T9M than convert

[misty sparrow]

Remember they are pulling at least 2 units per month

And now 3 or even 4

Sacrificing T9m at this point means brick your account

Be careful

[willow mountain]

Anomaly T9m says otherwise

[misty sparrow]

Do whatever you want

[willow mountain]

I have enough Abnormal gear to fully kit the next 3 attackers next 4 defenders and next 2 supporters

I am probably covered until 2026 if not before EoS

[silent maple]

nah, at the rate they're going, the next Anomoly interception will have 2 each of defender/attacker/supporter

but sure, you go ahead and let your abnormal and elysion gear rot in your inventory while complaining about the lack of tetra gear

[twin ingot]

Elysion Attackers are actually the second most numerous

Tetra Supporter > Elysion Attacker > Tetra Attacker

And most of Tetra is garbage, so honestly no that bad

I struggle more with Missilis tbh

[past yacht]

and most of tetra is garbage

sure buddy

[twin ingot]

Can't tell if you're agreeing with me or being sarcastic

[supple fern]

that's definitely sarcastic

[twin ingot]

It's true tho

[mighty mist]

that's the first time ever I heard anything about tetra is garbage

[twin ingot]

Majority of their units just take up space

[past yacht]

tell me a 4th elysion attacker

ein qeq mw and?

copelace ?

[twin ingot]

Phantom, Guillo

Wait, you're listing Missilis

[past yacht]

I meant miss

mb

[twin ingot]

Missilis Defenders and Supporters have higher ratio of useful units

Even Tetra only has 5 (arguably 7)

[past yacht]

tia and..., liter naga tove and ...

[twin ingot]

Jackal, Centi

[past yacht]

oh if we inclue pvp

[twin ingot]

Pepper and Admi were used in early game

[past yacht]

tetra is out of the roof

[twin ingot]

I also get less Missilis gear tbf

RNG sucks

We've gotten off topic though Bless Shift Up for making the new units not attackers so Pilgrim Attacker gear doesn't become even more of a pain

[past yacht]

[heavy belfry]

grave = scarlet

[twin ingot]

Drunken?

[heavy belfry]

yes

[supple fern]

mari upgrade in pvp?

[heavy belfry]

no

single target dps

[supple fern]

higher buff though

for scarlet

[heavy belfry]

same amount of buff

[heavy belfry]

bare margins

48.2% vs 41%?

[supple fern]

ig what I'm worried about is the extra feed and likelyhood to just die against an opposing scar

[slow orchid]

did u do math on Grave @heavy belfry

Liter Grave Alice Asuka Mod

Liter Grave Alice Asuka Naga

[heavy belfry]

what is naga there for

emotional support

[slow orchid]

just thinking

Nvm just do Mod

[heavy belfry]

i think crown naga is better

i think grave is worse

[twin ingot]

Naga would only be useful if Rei instead of Alice, no?

if using Grave

[heavy belfry]

rei only gives shield to fire

[twin ingot]

Oh right

So if using Grave, Mod as flex slot is probably the only option

[heavy belfry]

the right person to ask is @onyx crown

who will probably answer over the weekend on which team is better

liter crown alice asuka naga
vs
liter grave alice asuka mod

[twin ingot]

Gatrix probably waiting for her to actually be out, ye

Can't wait

Have all supplies ready and just need to luck out on super successes

[onyx crown]

Laplace > all

[misty sparrow]

[slow orchid]

i'll wait till Thursday

Im still betting on Grave Mod

[coarse gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352975182065041410/1111202186274283610/wok.gif

[mighty mist]

mod is still valid these days?

[misty sparrow]

mg...

[exotic sun]

This malding to next lvl

[misty sparrow]

Momo's bald don't worry

[twin ingot]

[mystic laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/saiba-momoi-blue-sechi-blue-archive-eating-junk-food-gif-13556365842863143314

[twin ingot]

Only B3 DPS with more lasting power than Modernia is Alice & RH

[mighty mist]

what's dat

[twin ingot]

Usage in raids by top 50

[mighty mist]

[twin ingot]

Modernia in 8th (though realistically 7th since QeQ has first raid bias; she'll tank next raid )

[mighty mist]

idk ppl are keep telling she's being powercrept

[twin ingot]

She is, slowly

[slow orchid]

the problem with Mod is she needs ammo supply so bad

[valid mesa]

Modernia won't be powercrept until someone is better than her without bursting

[twin ingot]

but she's dropping at the same rate as S Anis, Maxwell, and X Lud

It's less getting powercrept

and more that we're filling out teams

[valid mesa]

To this day I'm pretty sure she can out-dps anyone else, if that person is also banned from using burst skill

[twin ingot]

Modernia used to be a a prime brute-force unit

[mighty mist]

at least sanis got life extension a fter cinder

[twin ingot]

Now that we're getting more elemental DPS units, generalist units will slowly get kicked out gradually

[valid mesa]

Modernia is our only SSS tier B0 unit

[slow orchid]

buffer wont be powercreeped so fast tho

espcially semi-dps

[twin ingot]

Prime example

[mighty mist]

yea generalist won't survive

[misty sparrow]

Imagine malding snow

[twin ingot]

Snow White was ruined entirely by B Soda

Brute-forcing crit fishing to mind-numbing elemental exodia comps

[mighty mist]

sw is still valid but now is only a toy for gigachad malders

[twin ingot]

Even if Grave is lesser than Crown for Indivilia, she'll be a queen in fire-weak raids

[valid mesa]

Honestly I doubt she'll be worse than Crown for a Asuka & Alice team

[twin ingot]

Modernia will stick around not only cuz Shift Up is convinced that we need a brute-force fire comp but also cuz she's just free damage for any team that still has holes

Survivability is the issue

[valid mesa]

Asuka can tank fairly well

[twin ingot]

Crown shield helps mitigate a ton of damage

[mighty mist]

dem now I realized that alice also got self heal

[twin ingot]

Meanwhile Grave will slowly drain her own HP

Yeah, but Alice loses damage to get that heal

You don't want her healing

[mighty mist]

this pink pilgrim never stops making me amazed

[twin ingot]

[valid mesa]

Grave heals more than she damages

[twin ingot]

Only when her HP gets low

[valid mesa]

Because her damage is % current health while her heal is % max health

Yeah so she's fire scarlet

[twin ingot]

10% current health for 2% max heal

[valid mesa]

Nothing new

[twin ingot]

meaning she'll drain herself into OHKO range

from Indivilia laser

which means reset RNG

That's why I'm hoping for Rei shield stonks

[valid mesa]

I mean if we're going for comfort just swap Alice for Rei

[twin ingot]

ye

[valid mesa]

Yeee

[mighty mist]

who

[twin ingot]

Rei is my best fire unit for ele % as well

[twin ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/amalamcrae-gif-22767998

[valid mesa]

Got my Rei to 10/10/10 but she'll probably have to sit this raid out

Fire team really needs B1 to have the right element

[slow orchid]

she will sit out until fire weak

[mighty mist]

I just reset her

[misty sparrow]

Rei will back against fire weak raids

Same as 2b

[twin ingot]

Not so sure about 2B

Next fire-weak raid will mean more fire units

[misty sparrow]

Well if they bring us a new fire dps 2b is out

[mighty mist]

they will

[valid mesa]

General fire team:

B1/Grave/Asuka/Rei/Modernia

If wind weak: Volume

Iron weak: Liter

Fire weak: anyone

Water weak: Cry as Doro is trash without Privaty

Electric weak: Cry as Rouge is tied to Cindy, and Exia isn't great if she's the only electric B1 / needs treasure / doesn't give CDR

[twin ingot]

Doro without Privaty and also with Grave

[valid mesa]

To clarify, the elements starting with cry are currently unviable imo

You cry because no good option

[mighty mist]

who is stronger between general and elite team?

[valid mesa]

Wind weak especially I think fire team will be viable

Slot in Volume and call it a day

[twin ingot]

For water, just take out Mod and use B Alice + Volume

if Grave's burst gen buff is weak enough, S Mary

[valid mesa]

Do we even have 5 meta wind units?

[twin ingot]

Nope

[valid mesa]

One or two teams are gonna have to take a meh wind option like Volume

Oh nvm I see now

BAlice + Volume were together

[twin ingot]

Yeah, sacrifice one DPS and cope a unit in

Although at that point off-burst Quency/Phantom might be better

[valid mesa]

At that point why bother running fire team

Rei without Modernia is.... Significantly worse

[twin ingot]

Bright side is that Grave can just replace Mari, so even if fire comp doesn't work, she can sit with SW/Maxwell, RH, or Alice

[valid mesa]

or Asuka, who should be good enough to be viable outside fire weak too

[misty sparrow]

imagine they update solo raid and make 7 parties instead of 5

[twin ingot]

I won't place my bets on Asuka's neutral viability yet tbh, but Grave might be what Leona was for M Priv

[valid mesa]

Man I've only just gotten to 5 stable parties

[twin ingot]

Why settle with seven? 10 all the way

[valid mesa]

If they pushed to 7 I'd have to bring back real cope teams like Miranda & Maxwell

[misty sparrow]

Oh yah 10 teams

[twin ingot]

All CDR units mandatory again

Sakura hard meta

[valid mesa]

A boss who just flat out prevents CDR would be interesting as a gimmick tbh

Completely reshape the B1 meta

[twin ingot]

Watch Rebuild Sinister do that

Wipes your entire team while you're stuck out of burst

[mystic laurel]

grave mid?

[twin ingot]

Grave powercreeping Mari

[valid mesa]

Grave somewhere between Mari and Crown tier.

Wait for release to confirm where exactly

[mighty mist]

mari is ded?

[coarse gust]

No not ded

[heavy belfry]

Powercreep =/= dead

Didn't we have a list somewhere someone maxe

[past yacht]

sroco is dead tho

[heavy belfry]

Crown
Grave
Mari
Naga
Blanc
Srosa, Rem

[heavy belfry]

I guess

[mighty mist]

[tropic sleet]

and nihilister

[slow orchid]

Naga's slowly leaving the competition in SR

They realized core dmg is so OP

[heavy belfry]

She won't leave

She'll upgrade to crown

[slow orchid]

I didnt rmb I use any Crown Naga in SR once tho

[heavy belfry]

Yeah because Tia Naga is still relevant

Once Tia Naga gets pushed out, crown Naga becomes a thing

[slow orchid]

Even a coreless boss ?

[heavy belfry]

Well, no lol

[slow orchid]

That's what im talking about

In SR, they wont give permanent core any more

Low up time

[misty sparrow]

Yup

[twin ingot]

Kicking Mari out of meta entirely will be very difficult unless they stop giving us pierce units

Naga dead. Time to reset.

[coarse gust]

They ditch mari till they face barrage bombing

[twin ingot]

Only one person has ever been able to not use Naga for top 50 since her release

[past yacht]

someone skipped

and bricked

lmao

[twin ingot]

Nah, they just chose not to

Mari/S Ros stonks

Grave's job is to beat one of those two

[upper lagoon]

already sent srosa to the looby screen forever

[twin ingot]

Nah wind-weak raid potential

[upper lagoon]

true

speaking of wind i kinda want a treasure for pepper

make her dist damge dealer for srosa

[heavy belfry]

Sorry bro, only pilgrims will get treasures cuz shiftup is retarded

[twin ingot]

Grave at risk in water and wind-weak raids cuz lack of B3 elemental units push up Rem and S Ros priority

[upper lagoon]

want another dist unit

[twin ingot]

For fire and iron, I think she's safe

Electric would depend on boss pierce vulnerability since no pierce electric units (worth using) aside from Naga, who is incompatible

[past yacht]

isabel as a re-enter b3

trust

[misty sparrow]

[shadow topaz]

ssr rapi for new years

[jolly imp]

Ssr Rapi -> Iron type

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-wheeze-laugh-nikkal-kundhal-nikkalkundhal-gif-23223780

[shadow topaz]

mine has a black crit rate and black crit dmg

both first roll

[mystic laurel]

grave tomorrow

cant wait to 1 tap free pull her

[coarse gust]

Waiting for peeps to post pic saying Grave>Crown

[lethal agate]

So I should gold ticket MLB here first thing then right?

[jolly imp]

Of course, forfeit all mortal possessions to the church of bricc

[coarse gust]

[iron crescent]

cant wait for the copypasta

[tulip carbon]

Maybe 3 gold tickets then free pulls with fingers crossed 'til last day, then finish MLB if no lucky pull

Or if you want to play it safe because maybe you're blessed to free pull multiple copies, only 1 gold ticket and wait 'til last day to use more

[grand oar]

What site is this?

[vernal grail]

enikk.app

[azure tree]

Can't wait for Grave to clear my 31-35

[coarse gust]

[mighty mist]

asuka can clear the whole 31 and 32

[azure tree]

mine can't. Prob cp diff and low Ele dmg

[iron fable]

I'm stuck in hard 31-26 and my Alice doesn't have enough ele % to beat the target enemy

[heavy belfry]

Maybe I can fix my Alice by the team I reach ch30

[heavy belfry]

Peak team buffs comparison (assumes core hits)

• Tia Naga = ×1.45 ×1.3211 ×1.[472×0.8333] = ×2.669
  Core damage buff × attack damage × ATK

• Grave = ×1[+.484+.482+.3998] = ×2.3658
  Pierce Damage + Attack Damage + Pierce Damage (if heat emission uptime is taken as 100% during full burst)
  Grave = ×1.8818 if heat emission buff is very low uptime

• Mari = ×1{.3078×0.83} ×1[+.4099+.4099] = ×2.28
  ATK × (Pierce Damage + Attack Damage)

• Crown = ×1.[6451×0.666] ×1.5723 = ×2.248
  Attack buff × attack damage
  Crown Naga = 2.248×1.45 = ×3.25

• Blanc Noir = ×1.3926 ×1.1408 ×1.24 = ×1.97
  Damage taken × ATK buff × Damage buff due to Ammo (?)

i think i did tiga wrong somewhere somehow

huh

oh ok i didnt make a mistake, i converted the core damage buff to a damage buff assuming everyone is core hitting

[heavy belfry]

ok this should be correct

[past yacht]

to this day we can't peak jk's

thats why sr bosses are hiding their cores now

[heavy belfry]

also, im pretty sure that

mari = JK

cuz of 1-1-3

[past yacht]

thats half of a jk thats why

mari is really good yeah

[heavy belfry]

mari, crown and grave
are a bit higher than tiga cuz of 1-1-3

[heavy belfry]

ok so just to confirm

using burst removes heat emission

to activate heat emission, grave needs full burst to end

[past yacht]

already in pins

when she gets out of fb

[heavy belfry]

so this means that this pierce damage buff is never in play??

[past yacht]

she goes to empty mag with 50% reload

so she reloads twice

[past yacht]

aka 2+2 seconds

[heavy belfry]

this pierce damage buff

should never be in play

[past yacht]

so you get 4 seconds of uptime

[heavy belfry]

right?

[past yacht]

its in the play for 4 seconds

at worse case

[heavy belfry]

yeah

only out of burst

so grave is actually worse

than peak mari

[past yacht]

really

[heavy belfry]

mari gives

30% casters atk buff

every 5s

50% uptime

[past yacht]

tbh with the gauge gain and a sr

you stay in off burst for 5 sec at most

[heavy belfry]

Peak team buffs comparison (assumes core hits)

• Tia Naga = ×1.45 ×1.3211 ×1.[472×0.8333] = ×2.669
  Core damage buff × attack damage × ATK

• Mari = ×1{.3078×0.83} ×1[+.4099+.4099] = ×2.28
  ATK × (Pierce Damage + Attack Damage)

• Crown = ×1.[6451×0.666] ×1.5723 = ×2.248
  Attack buff × attack damage
  Crown Naga = 2.248×1.45 = ×3.25

• Blanc Noir = ×1.3926 ×1.1408 ×1.24 = ×1.97
  Damage taken × ATK buff × Damage buff due to Ammo (?)

• Grave = ×1[+.482+.3998] = ×1.8818
  Attack Damage + Pierce Damage

[heavy belfry]

yeah but the damage buff is

lower

do u remember what crown's uptime was for her
s2 attack damage?

without heals?

[past yacht]

50% ?

wait no

[heavy belfry]

Peak team buffs comparison during FB (assumes core hits)

• Tia Naga = ×1.45 ×1.3211 ×1.[472×0.8333] = ×2.669
  Core damage buff × attack damage × ATK

• Mari = ×1{.3078×0.83} ×1[+.4099+.4099] = ×2.28
  ATK × (Pierce Damage + Attack Damage)
  (assumes Mari S2 as active)

• Crown = ×1.[6451×0.666] ×1.5723 = ×2.248
  Attack buff × attack damage
  (assumes crown's s2 as active)

• Blanc Noir = ×1.3926 ×1.1408 ×1.24 = ×1.97
  Damage taken × ATK buff × Damage buff due to Ammo (?)

• Grave = ×1[+.482+.3998] = ×1.8818
  Attack Damage + Pierce Damage

this is what i have for now

[onyx crown]

during FB?

[heavy belfry]

yeah

[onyx crown]

1.3211 contains 50% FB already right?

[heavy belfry]

1.3211 is tia attack damage

[harsh sonnet]

I guess she sacrifices buff potency a bit for her own personal dmg

[heavy belfry]

lemme recalculate naga

real quick

[onyx crown]

so how about Range Bonus?

how about Crit x (crit dmg - 1) too

[past yacht]

how does crown s2 work again

does she heal for the full 5 seconds

because you proc s2 every 14 seconds

[onyx crown]

it triggers when condition meets

[past yacht]

for 7 seconds

14.3

[onyx crown]

1 time heal

not regen

[past yacht]

ok so you proc 7 sec buff every 14.3

assumes infinite ammoo

[onyx crown]

therefore, 50% uptime

[heavy belfry]

1 + 1 (core hit base) + .5 (fb) + .075 + = 2.575

• naga buffs = 3.8274

not involving range, naga buffs 1.48, but i wrote 1.45 for easy mafs

crit should be
.5*.15
right

15% rate for ,5 buff

[onyx crown]

yep

[heavy belfry]

good enuf then

[slow orchid]

this Pierce dmg is kinda stupid designed

[heavy belfry]

it doesnt exist bro

[slow orchid]

It's like 1-2 sec buff for Alice Asuka before entering full burst again

So dumb

[heavy belfry]

i think that the only way grave > mari is if grave dps is enough damage

either that or remove core and grave is better

i removed my pin spreading possible misinfo

of grave being mari powercreep

[slow orchid]

Let's see how is her DPS going

We should RIOT about her S1

[heavy belfry]

well

from a basic viewpoint

Asuka: 18.76% × 4.92 = .922
Grave: 17.91% × 3.54 = .634
Scarlet: 27.08% × 2.1575 = .584

[past yacht]

4

[heavy belfry]

grave > scarlet (without s.anis)

but grave scales worse from attack damage buffs
while scarlet scales worse from atk buffs

[slow orchid]

wdym 4, Alice burst gen is really fast ?

[heavy belfry]

and also scarlet is possibly off burst
while grave is fighting for her life to be on burst

[past yacht]

the buff is 4 seconds, she half reloads and loses buff when she gets to full reload

her base reload is 2 seconds

so its a 4 second buff offburst

[heavy belfry]

yeah but its 2 seconds

if u get into next full burst

[slow orchid]

I mean

[heavy belfry]

lol

[slow orchid]

If get to next full burst

it doesnt exist that much

[heavy belfry]

dont need to write "that much"

it doesnt exist bro

[slow orchid]

[dense pendant]

@heavy belfry
but damage loss on sbs tho

[past yacht]

I think its there to make you go into next burst asap

pierce damage is fake but the burst gen isn't

[heavy belfry]

what

are u sure??

thats not possible

[dense pendant]

[heavy belfry]

[dense pendant]

man u cant just take crown atk buff as x1.64x0.66

[past yacht]

I guess reload is that op on alice

[dense pendant]

it's diminished with other atk buff, not a multiplier

oh wait

no

the fking reload speed

no

[heavy belfry]

yes

[dense pendant]

[heavy belfry]

40 shot alice

doesnt exist now

[slow orchid]

If

We're using a fire comp

Grave can have benefit from Liter buff

[dense pendant]

one sec

[slow orchid]

Pretty sure her DPS is there to fill her buff gap

[misty sparrow]

Skip?

[peak mural]

skip for new players

[dense pendant]

@heavy belfry

damn cow

[peak mural]

comma on the right pls

my eyes cant compare

[peak mural]

that's not good

[dense pendant]

hasnt account for the higher burst rotation tho

cuz not sure how that'll work till tmr

[heavy belfry]

[misty sparrow]

Damn pretty close

[dense pendant]

im pretty sure burst more = more damage

[magic prism]

with grave extra burst gen, is it possible to exploit liter's 8s cdr?
wait, in the long fight, is it better using dwife/rouge or liter?

[dense pendant]

you get around 135s of burst time with both dwife and liter

more with liter if u have piercing spot for alice/rh

[heavy belfry]

what buffs are u using

[peak mural]

3 hours till maint

dont forget to do your dailies

[heavy belfry]

u arent using this buff right?

[dense pendant]

DD Grave/Crown Alice SBS priv for now

[dense pendant]

i didnt use it yea

[heavy belfry]

[dense pendant]

just need to jump in test tmr to see if how much extra burst uptime we get from grave

[heavy belfry]

only these 2 team buffs and +3 ammo enough for alice to deal this much dps huh

[dense pendant]

with good enough alice ammo OL

for 40 shots

i think i had 18 so it's dead

need 20

[heavy belfry]

u assume 4 ammo ig