[Grave] New Unit Megathread

[thin viper]

bastion then

[valid mesa]

Her best cube is probably something dumb like the hit rate one, but realistically just give her bastion

[heavy belfry]

This is so troll bro lol

[thin viper]

ew, hit rate cube

[valid mesa]

We still need a good dps cube which isn't ammo related

[thin viper]

2/3 of the total cubes are non-existent in using.

[magic prism]

so if it's like this, then her S2 investment could be minimal?

[past yacht]

She is ar. Hit rate cube might be bis

[valid mesa]

We have two good DPS cubes, bastion and resilience.

Grave has infinite ammo while her buffs are up, and her damage is meh outside of that anyway.

She has no good cube, resilience is possibly going to need the team by ending the pierce and burst gen buffs earlier

[valid mesa]

S2 works during burst

[magic prism]

ah

[heavy belfry]

Simple Mari powercreep btw

[valid mesa]

Hell two of the sections only work during burst

[past yacht]

She is 10-10-10

[heavy belfry]

Nothing special

[magic prism]

damn

[heavy belfry]

For UR Mari is still better I believe

[magic prism]

Rip my RH just went on honeymoon phase with mari

I guess she's back on Tiga

[past yacht]

You get all 3 in burst

[slow orchid]

Grave is 12/12 guys

4atk 4ele 4 crit dmg

[ornate bronze]

Just use Rh with grave

[past yacht]

I think we will split tiga, give naga on crown and tia to grave for shields and asuka shield condition

[magic prism]

RH with grave, can fill the burst meter real fast

[past yacht]

Alice asuka grave tia b1

[misty sparrow]

Disband tiga

[past yacht]

And crown naga for another team

Next fire weak raid will be in shambles

[static summit]

zwei

[valid mesa]

At a glance

Skill Priority:

• S1 > S2 if your team needs burst gen to rotate smoothly (E.g. Eva team). Otherwise low priority.
• S2 boosts her damage so also needs to be LVL 10
• Burst is broken, LVL 10 ASAP

OL priority:

• Elemental
• Crit DMG (burst gives her huge crit rate buff so relevant!!)
• ATK

Cube:

• Hit rate cube will be best but it's buff is marginal
• realistically give her your highest level (not resilience) cube

[static summit]

or liter

[thin viper]

So after Naga find a new love, Tia begin her quest to fill the void, and she choose midriff mommy.

[static summit]

liter or zwei

[tight charm]

lol why

[static summit]

at least repair cover

[past yacht]

Depending on her dps we might need hit rate ols too

Ar hit rate is shit

No way its zwei

[heavy belfry]

I meant to reply to the old message

They release powercreep upon powercreep

This is so unfair

[valid mesa]

Modernia gives hit rate doesn't she?

[misty sparrow]

B2 powercreep

[tight charm]

Oh

[misty sparrow]

Again

[tight charm]

Another rem incident

[static summit]

b2 too much powercreep

[tight charm]

[heavy belfry]

You can't even reset blanc cuz she's used in PvP

But you should be able to say fuck you to SRosanna

[fiery seal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038708366630977566/1047768821747941376/20221201_022935.gif

[past yacht]

We get a new B2 every other patch

[static summit]

b3 just elemental, so still safe powerkreep

[tight charm]

Srosanna is bye bye on reset

[heavy belfry]

Yeah

[static summit]

b1, no cdr will be mid

[tight charm]

I’ll only use her as lobby wallpaper

[thin viper]

Blanc/Noir for tower

[misty sparrow]

Not just rem, is powercreep behind a powercreep

[pure jewel]

crown is still better correct?

[heavy belfry]

Rouge blanc

[valid mesa]

SRosanna.... Might be relevant if we ever get a DoT pilgrim B3

[past yacht]

Can someone calc, does she creep crown for DPS buffs

[valid mesa]

Rem can at least buff Cindy, so Anni actually good news for Rem fans

[static summit]

nikke situation

B1: no cdr = mid
B2: too much competition, powercreep each other
B3: elemental depend

[pure jewel]

with pierce units, most likely

[valid mesa]

[shadow topaz]

yeah once we get the second dot b3 she will be back

[misty sparrow]

I don't think Alice fits really well with grave

[past yacht]

Why not

Alice asuka will be so good

[misty sparrow]

Maybe for people with 20+ ammo

I still prefer crown for alice

[pure jewel]

it all depends on if bigger number makes up for shorter duration

[past yacht]

İf you run grave and liter

[slow orchid]

That +3 ammo is definitely for Alice

[tight charm]

Grave will make indivilia from the hardest AI boss to a walk in the park

[valid mesa]

Alice or Rei are both viable for Grave, Asuka, Modernia fire team.

[past yacht]

You get enough ammo right

[slow orchid]

And it will be a comp with lots of dps

[tight charm]

Similar to how quency made harvester possible

[pure jewel]

i didnt even see that was there because of how much other shit there is

[past yacht]

What was the liter ammo amount

[valid mesa]

It's there to further fuck over Doro

[past yacht]

With liter and grave we might have just enough

[slow orchid]

45%

45% of 6

3

[static summit]

liter still killed

[harsh sonnet]

is this the actual Anniversary unit ? xD

is Grave all along

[static summit]

at least you c7 her, get 2 lines DEF, and give tempering

[past yacht]

This is the actual anni unit ong

[magic prism]

the diversion

we met grave first

[thin viper]

MLB both Cinder and Grave

actually, you don't need to MLB Grave

as her buff are generic and not scale on stats

[heavy belfry]

No not really
Crown still better

Crown Naga still superior

[past yacht]

As a f2p I don't even entertain the thought of mlb

[untold crag]

Maybe last year the community sent a clear message that they wanted to go broke since it's an special occasion 😉

[unique pivot]

She's my ticket out of 26-25 then

[thin viper]

Grave is a supporter so MLB her is pointless anyway

[tight charm]

Dkw grave Alice asuka modernia?

[past yacht]

Even on attackers

[valid mesa]

What's being a supporter got to do with it lol

[thin viper]

depend, but in Cindy case, worth every copy

[valid mesa]

2% buff to stats is a 2% buff to damage regardless of their base stats.

[thin viper]

ah yes, my bad

brain fart

I forgot it scale on %

[past yacht]

is it worth skipping the next CDR b1 unit. Yeah I'm not taking chances on thay

[thin viper]

Do it

Bring the princess home, and not be cheap about it.

[valid mesa]

If they want to continue the Evangelion team supremacy next CDR will have a Damage Taken Debuff Burst

[slow orchid]

I dont think so

[thin viper]

DoT, make you regret reset SRosanna

[slow orchid]

It will be a 4 DPSs comp

[past yacht]

I mlb'd Rh because I got her twice from free pulls

[slow orchid]

Less RNG on phase 2

[past yacht]

Back then

[thin viper]

I don't even have a spare copy of her

[slow orchid]

Liter Grave Alice Asuka Mod

[valid mesa]

It's tempting to swap Liter for D Wife just for full fire team memes

[slow orchid]

Liter buffs 4 DPSs

[past yacht]

Next raid is fire

I'm calling it

[slow orchid]

And it's not a phase 2 RNG hell

[past yacht]

After the Cindy one

[slow orchid]

Also less core dmg, more atk dmg and pierce dmg means u can fail some core shot

Indi shakes hard as fuck

[sly kestrel]

you use pierce on indivilia?

[thin viper]

Our skill books are cooked

have to raise Cindy, Grave and 2B

(I reset 2B...)

[slow orchid]

Pierce dmg doesn't need to pierce to activate

It's a type of dmg

[thin viper]

yeah the translation is really confusing

they can use a better word for it

[small crown]

So 2B needs to be built is what I'm hearing?

[pure jewel]

wait how dows pierce damage work then

[thin viper]

for Cindy comp

[slow orchid]

If you use some character, hit 1 bullet and see pierce dmg word shows up

[thin viper]

SG and SR

[slow orchid]

Means you can use pierce dmg buff on them

[pure jewel]

so does it trigger if an attack has pierce?

[thin viper]

they have pierce built-in on archetype

[slow orchid]

Yeah

[small crown]

Alright no problem. Gonna reset some ones i don't use much anymore

[thin viper]

also whenever a buff that enable pierce on a NIKKE, that also count as Pierce dmg

[pure jewel]

i thought the buff triggered if it hit a second piece
i guess im just dumb

[past yacht]

if an attack has pierce property it can benefit from pierce damage buff even when you don't pierce anything

[thin viper]

I know, Pierce as in an archetype and also condition as well.

No wonder you are confusing

[slow orchid]

Yeah I was like you when first time know it

[pure jewel]

if grave buffs pierce damage then that means nihilister will be viable

[sly kestrel]

will she?

[slow orchid]

Just a cope

[pure jewel]

no. but i can dream

[slow orchid]

Let him dream

[pure jewel]

my delusion is too strong for your facts to do anyhting

[slow orchid]

But after all still need to check

And Grave banner is on 7th which we have to wait

Can't wait till S9 Indi

[celest sky]

grave will not be available till end of SR yes?

[slow orchid]

Yeah

[celest sky]

aight

[slow orchid]

Both Grave and Cindy costume

[celest sky]

shame i wanna play with grave this SR

[tight charm]

Indivilia tail aiming

[rare sandal]

Ngl strong for indivilia

[coarse gust]

S7 cook full fire, prolly easier than Crown

[rare sandal]

Just u need A LOT OF ATK OL on Asuka or Alice

What is remove heat emission on certain status

When does heat emission end exactly

[mint tendon]

We dont know now its a yellow text need to click ingame to know

[rare sandal]

@onyx crown can confirm based on vid?

When does heat emission end?

[past yacht]

I assume either until she bursts, some % or burst bar or when she reloads a certain amount of time. Maybe video has some leads

[slow orchid]

In kit it said under certain condition

But we dont know what condition

And they didnt say as well

[native moat]

I think it would make sense to end during Prediction status?

[harsh sonnet]

question

nikke have a base 5% crit rate ?

[slow orchid]

That's still not clear cause she can have 2 status at once

[native moat]

But idk

Didn't the other languages have that as orange, so in game it would be explained

?

Or am I hallucinating

[thin viper]

no, SU being SU

[magic prism]

part of the kit hidden until game released

[valid mesa]

Is there any reason to take D Wife over Liter here other than full fire memes?

[native moat]

:/

They gotta fucking explain

[native moat]

:)

orang

[slow orchid]

That makes sense

Have to wait mt finish to check in wiki

[native moat]

Yep

[native moat]

You made me doubt myself smh

[gusty hill]

So..that makes it even more confusing

[native moat]

How come?

[gusty hill]

From "after prediction end"
To "cancellation on certain condition"

[onyx crown]

oh

grave looks beeg

[slow orchid]

That means it's not simply entering Prediction will remove Heat Emission

Have to wait tho

[native moat]

Doesn't that just mean the effect starts after burst ends, but ends on different condition

[gusty hill]

Exactly that, now it's uncertain if it triggers when burst end or not

[native moat]

No?

[left ore]

In 2 iq language what graves do?

[gusty hill]

It's either EN actually specify the condition more clearly, or they just spewing bullshit

[native moat]

Heat emission status starts after Prediction status ends, but is cancelled on different condition

[gusty hill]

Oh..i see

[pure jewel]

big number attack damage up, big number pierce damage up, big burst gen

[tight charm]

A union mate has a theory that entering prediction and not shooting might not remove heat emission

So you can allow both pierce dmg parts to stay up if she doesn’t shoot

[pure jewel]

heat emission might end upon entering burst or something

[tight charm]

Works on Maxwell/Snow White bursts delaying shooting until they fire their shot

[native moat]

The part we're missing is just knowing what cancels heat emission exactly.. grrr

[gusty hill]

Hmm...isn't using her burst= make her infinite ammo? And infinite ammo= full clip

[magic prism]

Entering Prediction/burst should be the basic of removing heat emission, if not then would they expect grave not shooting at all on burst?

[native moat]

Reloading fully ends overheat

[magic prism]

Maybe there's another condition other than entering burst

[native moat]

Or the buff from overheat

[pure jewel]

but getting infinite ammo might be treated differently than reloading

[green arrow]

why is there no orange on "remove heat emission under certain conditions"

[pure jewel]

because shift up localizers are all lobotomized

[native moat]

There is in Jp lol

[magic prism]

They lazy way is manual grave when off burst to prevent loading and enable S1 buff

[gusty hill]

That means sacrifice your burst gen cuz haha, no manual snipers

[native moat]

Reloading doesn't end heat emission , it ends overheat

(unless reloading is the "certain circumstances")

[green arrow]

my understanding from her theme is that her gun generates heat, heat gives her self atk buffs. reloading empties all of that heat.

[past yacht]

the certain condion tells me

[native moat]

Yes

[past yacht]

eiher its multiple reloads

or some niche condition they can't type out

[native moat]

Why would reloading end heat dissipation though

[green arrow]

maybe 100% reload speed

[past yacht]

like it might be after 3rd reload

[gusty hill]

Well....after burst ends, her ammo is forced to completely empty

[green arrow]

is the specific condition

[past yacht]

or something

[magic prism]

They can put wall of text on b.soda kit, why bother hiding the explanation in this one. Smh

[pure jewel]

god her kit just reads like a yu-gi-oh card, this is absurd

[gusty hill]

So..that means she's forced to reload

[past yacht]

maybe its becuase her s2 and burst is already a wall

[native moat]

Which just cancels her overheat

[past yacht]

they run out of space

[native moat]

Overheat is skill 2

[gusty hill]

Yep

Isn't overheat also important?

[native moat]

It's the self buff

[pure jewel]

overheat III is the big one, and that can only triggered during her burst

[gusty hill]

Ah..i see now

[green arrow]

@onyx crown how much bullets per second for AR again?

12?

[past yacht]

30

[green arrow]

nah what?

[past yacht]

nvm

12

right

[gusty hill]

Too bad there's no ammo reducer specifically for fire nikke

[onyx crown]

6

[gusty hill]

[green arrow]

[mint tendon]

Not even smg are that fast lol
Its right 12

[past yacht]

yeah smg is 20

[onyx crown]

24

[green arrow]

man if that self and allies part of her burst stack

[past yacht]

24 when mg shoots 70

[green arrow]

that's some big badonkadonkdamage

[onyx crown]

So she has 36% atk

[onyx crown]

Womb can achieve that

In return his mg is 55

Probably a weird ass fps

[green arrow]

anyway, not a solo raid unit. skip

[tight charm]

You don’t want that nvidia title do you

[slow orchid]

Naga

[tight charm]

Also grave is second best b2 after crown not counting her personal dps

[onyx crown]

So 36% atk

And 170% attack damage

Lmao

[gusty hill]

Yeah, i don't see grave going to be benched on any raid from now on

[pure jewel]

might be better honestly

[onyx crown]

High base modifier too

[native moat]

My shit summary

S2 OVERHEAT - self buff from shooting, stronger during burst, ends on full reload.

S3- Gives Prediction status, drains 10%hp , unlimited ammo, pierce, pierce dmg and crit rate for self.
Atk up, pierce dmg up and max ammo cap +3 for allies

S1 - heat dissipation, starts after Prediction end, force empty all bullets, reloads only half of bullets [CANCELED BY ???]
Recovers back health for self, buff burst gen and pierce damage for allies

[past yacht]

she might be the best b2

[pure jewel]

depends on what ends heat emission

[past yacht]

if her solo dps is good enough

[tight charm]

Crown interaction with naga still makes her better overall and more flexible

[green arrow]

my guess is if grave has 100% reload speed or more, heat emission won't enter

[tight charm]

Also the reload buff

[primal pine]

I have been summoned

[magic prism]

Blanc survive for the longest time, just when she's about to be benched, SG team and Rouge arrives

[green arrow]

or 100% ammo reduction which can happen when with privaty

[gusty hill]

Tho, grave doesn't need healer or any nikke to depend on..

She doesn't even need other cdr, cuz..she is cdr

[pure jewel]

crown's combined skill 2 and burst attack damage barely meet grave's burst attack damage buff

[native moat]

Depends on what cancels heat emission

Fuck I hate that they didn't tell us yet Lol

[green arrow]

i still don't get what reload ratio -50% means

[magic prism]

If only grave was an attacker that would be perfect

[gusty hill]

ah yes....I agree

[native moat]

Reloads half of her bullets instead of all

[twin ingot]

Delicious

[mint tendon]

To outdamage cindy? Lol

[tight charm]

Again core dmg from naga + reload speed buff makes her more flexible overall

[pure jewel]

she already might. big self attack buffs. and you know, not a defender

[pure jewel]

you can put naga with grave also

[tight charm]

She won’t proc naga s1

No shields

[gusty hill]

Grave is already a supporter that bite harder than most of attacker

[pure jewel]

i may be stupid

[twin ingot]

I mean, they only made them Def/Sup so people wouldn't cry about a potential 11/2/2 spread of Attacker/Defender/Supporter

They're both clearly meant to be DPS cuz DPS sells the easiest

[gusty hill]

[green arrow]

maybe if t9m farming wasn't shit for 1.5+ years

well it's still shit now

but less shit

[pure jewel]

grave as a supporter makes sense. cindi as a defender is dumb as hell

[mint tendon]

Maybe if they release manufacturer drop not part piece drop

[gusty hill]

And noah finally has friend on pilgrim def

[green arrow]

cindy converts hp to atk, being defender kinda make sense. it's just that regular atk buffs (not attack damage) and atk lines are less useful.

[pure jewel]

would make sense, if the conversion rate was not terrible

[twin ingot]

...Crown?

[green arrow]

doesn't have to be, her regular attacks might be weak from it but her skills have insane bonker multipliers

[gusty hill]

Well..i forgot she's a defender

Since she's the crown on supporting her allies

[slow orchid]

Cindy being a Defender means you wont need additional healer/shielder in your team

Means u have 1 more slot for buffer/dps

[twin ingot]

Cindy has a major flaw I don't think has been mentioned

And the buff people are suggesting makes that flaw worse

[gusty hill]

Defender in this game really leaning towards anything but defending your allies these day

Well..i guess it is by design of every game, defender mostly shit

[twin ingot]

She doesn't want her decoy broken, but HP to ATK scaling will make her highest ATK, taking more aggro without a dedicated taunter

[slow orchid]

^

[green arrow]

yea that's what you get when cp penalty exists, def stat is shit and 100% of the game is all about how much dps you can do in 90 seconds or 180 seconds

[slow orchid]

She's basically 2in1

[twin ingot]

She pretty much has to run with Tia or Noise

[pure jewel]

side note, what is with all the pierce units being fire code? Alice, Asuka, Wife D, and now grave

[slow orchid]

Just look at 2B

[pure jewel]

throw in nihilister and you have a full fire code pierce team

[slow orchid]

Taking everything but still alive for whole 3minutes

[gusty hill]

They planned this

[slow orchid]

This one I believe enter phase 3 burst will refresh decoy HP

[pure jewel]

nihilister buff incoming so the fire pierce team can be meta

[harsh sonnet]

wait does decoy gets destroy first ? before the character gets hit ?

[pure jewel]

i believe so

same mechanic as delta

[minor sinew]

OL line for this one

atk < crit dmg ?

[twin ingot]

Yes

[harsh sonnet]

they better make it refresh the HP istg

[twin ingot]

Decoy essentially doubles her HP, but she has no way to heal it

Unless burst stage 3 refreshes while maintaining stacks

[thin viper]

Decoy can't take cover

[pure jewel]

burst 3 makes a new decoy, unclear if it maintains stacks

[thin viper]

also we need to take tests on Mast's fake HP if it apply to decoy

[minor sinew]

HP to ATK count decoy too ?

[pure jewel]

on a team with really fast rotation, you can probably have a constant decoy

[peak mural]

How bad is it

[twin ingot]

Decoys don't attack

The attacking part was either a typo or misreading in JP stream

[supple fern]

Godgrave, midella

Decoys are fine, no expiration

If it breaks not a massive deal

Once max stacks it won't even natter

[twin ingot]

She'll drop stacks

[pure jewel]

she loses stacks with no decoy

[minor sinew]

i mean does skill 1 count docoy's HP ?

i feels is no

[native moat]

No

[pure jewel]

nope.

[minor sinew]

yape

[twin ingot]

Decoy treated as different unit essentially

[mint tendon]

Decoy use the word final so it should work

[supple fern]

Stacks don't have duration though

[minor sinew]

and we shoudlnt discuss cind here

Grave thread btw

[twin ingot]

Oops

Grave talk in Cindy thread

Cindy talk in Grave thread

[pure jewel]

eh, is fine

grave discussion has just been "so what the fuck is going on with heat emission" repeating every hour

[peak mural]

its so simple

I dont even gonna explain

[twin ingot]

Oh, fair

[mint tendon]

Lol fuck su for that

[minor sinew]

fucked up traslate

[pure jewel]

what else is new

[minor sinew]

TW mandarin tranlate fucked up too

[pure jewel]

given the 3000 word essay, im not surprised

[native moat]

I mean what else is there to talk about anymore, everything else is clear except that part xD

[pure jewel]

id probably fuck something up to, especially since every part of her kit relies on something else happening

[minor sinew]

grave pretty good

nothing to discuess XD

[native moat]

If heat dissipation ends too quickly then it would be a bummer since that gives the burst gen and pierce dmg buff

[pure jewel]

also damage recovery

[native moat]

For herself yeah, but the other part is more important I think

[pure jewel]

i presume they designed it so her base self sustain will fully heal the damage she takes during burst

maybe heat emission ends on full heal or something

guillotine v2

[native moat]

Oh it could be

[green arrow]

her own burst also give pierce damage buff, and buttloads of atk buffs to team. losing the 48% pierce damage buff while team is off burst is kinda whatever

[native moat]

Nearly +39% burst gauge fill speed tho...

[pure jewel]

yeah losing on stuff when off burst aint that big a deal when part of her kit is ensuring you are in burst for the max amount of time

[harsh sonnet]

they kinda are together in a way kekw

[coarse gust]

Burst gauge fill kinda dwife angle

[thin viper]

So with Grave, the fire team is complete, yeah?
DWife/Grave/Alice/Asuka/Modernia

[green arrow]

even with a certain italian pasta shape in play, dkw still has to wait 0.5-1second

[thin viper]

Crown can be used for other comp

[coarse gust]

Look like it

Grave fixes their weak gauge charge problem perhaps

[green arrow]

you have alice with a certain french pastry

[coarse gust]

With alice we got no shield

Reia synergy better

[twin ingot]

In raids Alice with SBS anyway

so fire comp would use Rei

[pure jewel]

"weak charge"
alice
huh

[twin ingot]

Asuka/Rei/Mod

Assuming no Alice

[thin viper]

but in camp (hard stages, Fire weak) you can use Alice instead of Rei

[twin ingot]

Yup

In that case Alice gens burst fine tho

Pierce SR

[coarse gust]

Did u see the comp it refers to its a no alice comp

[thin viper]

SU got high when designed hard 28 to hard 32 being Fire weak.

[pure jewel]

i thought you were referring to this comp

[thin viper]

that the campaign push comp

destroy every Fire weak stages basically

for raid, kick Alice out, use Rei

[coarse gust]

Damn i didnt really like that comp, i must have read it wrong mb

[slow orchid]

cant wait to 250 pulls 1 Cindy copy

[thin viper]

Though you can replace DWife with Liter

I have more Liter copy than DWife, way more

[twin ingot]

Why not just mileage

[slow orchid]

aiming for C7

But if i get dog shit luck then will just mlb

[twin ingot]

Ahh

I'm using mileage for C7 Grave and MLB Cindy

[sharp quarry]

Soo much text

[pure jewel]

cindi for the background, grave to use

[woeful gate]

Hey, at least we're still nowhere close to genshin ridiculousness

[boreal quail]

graves is now the cracked unit

unexpected indeed

[woeful gate]

Tru

[static summit]

simple kits usually broken

[mystic laurel]

skipppp

[boreal quail]

my guy skipping the next best support

with solid DPS

delusional

[mystic laurel]

wtf grave kit is insane

[green arrow]

skip because not available for solo raid

[mystic laurel]

why so heated brah

[magic prism]

with some part of the kit hidden in yellow text that can only viewed after the update

[ornate bronze]

"Unexpected" I had more faith in Grave than Cinderella's bum ass after I saw they were going for a defender dps 😭

[boreal quail]

i mean, after RH drama

i thought they make cindy a good defender dps

[ornate bronze]

I didn't because their best one prior was still mid

It's just an issue of defender and dps being a terrible combination

But Shift up doesn't seem to understand that despite doing it with other units

[sonic juniper]

Expecting a defender to be the best DPS is weird if you think about it

[ornate bronze]

It's a stat problem first and foremost but they didn't cook with her values either

[spark olive]

wtf is this kit

💀

[twin ingot]

That's why translating this kit was tough

New mechanic, three states, tons of text

[spark olive]

man my alice really happy tonight

[twin ingot]

Then the read out skills on stream were super incomplete

[strong sable]

How good is Grave?

[peak mural]

prob better then cindy

[spark olive]

more atk buff than crown

[strong sable]

I feel Cindy buff through riot

At least i hope so

[median totem]

Pretty good, if you don't need Crown's defensive stuff then Grave is a fantastic replacement

[strong sable]

So a more offensive crown? Insane

Now buff Cindy like they did RH

[peak mural]

a

[median totem]

Just note you lose MG status when in a typical meta team not including Modernia

[peak mural]

make cindy better then redhood, redhood being #1 for a year is boring

[strong sable]

Nah RH on top 🗣️

[peak mural]

i agree but its boring, spice up the meta at the top

[strong sable]

Cindy got ptsd after rh beat the shit of her

[slow orchid]

Cal on Grave pls @heavy belfry @dense pendant

0lb and mlb too

[heavy belfry]

Tonight

Maybe

[dense pendant]

ive just started

[heavy belfry]

I'm too tired

So much work

Fucking weekdays

[dense pendant]

this team?

or any suggestion

[slow orchid]

Yeah that team

And compare to Crown Naga

[dense pendant]

i can pick a team to inflat her damage like hell ...

[slow orchid]

No I just need that team for S9 Indi

[dense pendant]

indi gonna fk you over

if u dont use crown

lol

zero protection

oh alice and asuka can self heal i guess

the rest can just cope with covers

[past yacht]

Grave can heal too, wouldn't matter but yk

[slow orchid]

They can survive without Crown

The fact that Crown in team make you suffer more from RNG

[dense pendant]

my mod get hit when off burst

but it's avoidable

stop procrasinating

[harsh sonnet]

Use DD as B1 as well maybe?

[dense pendant]

Liter should be used here

to maximize the gain from her extra burst regen

i think from my test liter give more damage than DD in the Crown asuka alice mod team

[harsh sonnet]

Including pierce?

[mystic laurel]

grave is definitely better than crown right in terms of just damage

[past yacht]

Dwife pierce buff is Sr only iirc

[azure tree]

bcs of mod prob? She doesn't benefit from DKW

[slow orchid]

Liter is better than DD

it's 80% atk in 5sec

[ornate bronze]

Raah

[sacred tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxt4vbJJ_9w

[mystic laurel]

[twin ingot]

You know how good Grave is?

Doesn't get nuked by Indivilia/10

[dense pendant]

they dont even say what condition

bruh

i just assume remove on burst

[sacred tiger]

either after reload or on burst

[slow orchid]

we will know after mt

[mystic laurel]

who got nuked by indivilia

[twin ingot]

Based on gameplay, I think it's on reload finish

but yeah, we won't know until we can click it

Either way, it only determines if she's good or amazing

There's no bad in this kit

[dense pendant]

dont think it matters that much

cuz

with that burst gen buff u';; spend like 1.5s on regen anyways lol

[supple fern]

any chance she can actually get value out of crit dmg rolls

will have like a 90% crit rate

[dense pendant]

bro

Grave gonna kill herself with her HP debuff i feel like

or might lower it enough so indi swipe kill her

[supple fern]

how's grave's personal dmg

is it like a doro situation for dps

[dense pendant]

still calcing

[twin ingot]

Nah, did you see the gameplay?

Her self-damage is minimal

Scarlet/Guillo/A2 way worse

[dense pendant]

i didnt see the gameplay no

[twin ingot]

I'll link with timestamp

[dense pendant]

that's good lol

[past yacht]

1% for 10 seconds

so 10%hp

[woeful gate]

1% seems super meh

[twin ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/live/SZjw-3NgU00?si=WwOsHvkSv6s_rULJ&t=8485

And then she heals

[woeful gate]

scar is literally 4% per 1s-ish

[past yacht]

and its current hp

she loses 1% current hp

then regens 2% final max hp

[twin ingot]

Yeah, you can see it ticking down, but it's so small

[past yacht]

depending on the heat thing

you should heal up

[supple fern]

scarlet could never

[twin ingot]

But it's true that over the course of 3 minutes, the phase 2 hits could potentially wipe her

from Indivilia

Thankfully she's not Iron

[dense pendant]

heal 2% hp per sec off burst

but off burst duration is like 2s at most lol

so u gain 4% final HP and lose 1% current hp x 10

[valid mesa]

It's lose 1% of current

While heal is 2% of max

So she'll be fine

Worst case she hovers around 40% HP lol

[supple fern]

madlads have done no healer SR runs with scarlet, so she'll be fine

[valid mesa]

Assuming Asuka and Rei it'll be super fine

Rei gives shield every second burst

Asuka self heals / has the most ATK so will act as the tank

[dense pendant]

wait that's so disappointing lol

im i missing something

that's lower than doro lol

[supple fern]

[dense pendant]

aint no way

[green arrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012288696336273428/1293828402599432232/BC393228CB4190B03C45E0A91B336967_0.gif

[valid mesa]

It'll be higher if you swap Alice for Rei

Conversely you're not accounting for her buffs to Alice

[twin ingot]

Pierce buffs?

[dense pendant]

already in there

[dense pendant]

ik rei give more but this is kinda disppointing
also alice for burst gen

[valid mesa]

Grave S1 should cover burst gen fine

[twin ingot]

Is that only her personal damage?

or the team damage?

[dense pendant]

14 burst makes more sense i guess

[dense pendant]

personal

[valid mesa]

That's just Grave personal by the look of it

[twin ingot]

Gotcha. She is a supporter and that burst is potent for team buffs

[valid mesa]

Doro doesn't buff team so much as deal damage directly

[twin ingot]

Question is whether her personal damage does more than Crown enough to make up for weaker buffs than Crown

[past yacht]

isn't that pretty good

[green arrow]

depends on the context

[past yacht]

when you consider she also fullbuffs

[green arrow]

level 400? mlb? sr15 doll?

[dense pendant]

i mean it is pretty good for a b2 but

i thought she'll do more lol

with all that attack damage buff

[green arrow]

AR is kinda mid as a weapon anyway

[valid mesa]

Considering she also gives huge burst gen, ATK Damage, and pierce buffs, I think she's fine

[green arrow]

asuka suffers the same issue

[valid mesa]

Asuka at least gets 100% hit rate

[past yacht]

is it full core hit

[dense pendant]

mid weapon
low hit rate
supporter low base atk

[dense pendant]

no, 25%

[past yacht]

what if you added hr ol's

[dense pendant]

idk
can u get near 100% hit rate with AR?

alot of OL tho

[past yacht]

whats the current ol's

on the test

[twin ingot]

If she were an Attacker, she'd be crazy

[valid mesa]

I mean if we're going all in on the math gotta add core damage buffs from her doll lol

[twin ingot]

1.33x base

[dense pendant]

75% hit rate vs 25% hit rate

[past yacht]

man

[dense pendant]

just 23.62% atk OL nothing else

[past yacht]

hr ol's and hr cube

must

[twin ingot]

Oh, that's only 23.62%?

[dense pendant]

4 atk 4 ele 4 hit rate

[green arrow]

hr cube

[valid mesa]

If Anni doesn't drop a new cube I guess I'm finally investing in hit rate cube

[past yacht]

I mean others are useless anyways

[dense pendant]

all of my dps has 23.62% atk OL in the calc

[twin ingot]

Ahhhh

Okay, so that's not max damage

Good

[supple fern]

it should be atk% cube according to leaks

[dense pendant]

ofc not
not even ele yet

neutral

[green arrow]

hr cube also useless, it's like +4% hitrate

[twin ingot]

Grave will be the first unit I actually try to full black on

[dense pendant]

let me try see if crit damage roll good

[past yacht]

what you gonna do ? bastion ? resi ?

[twin ingot]

Resilience probs

[past yacht]

at least that 4% puts the work in

[twin ingot]

Bastion is useless during burst

[misty sparrow]

X4 hit rate

[twin ingot]

Resilience should hopefully help with her heat emission issue

[valid mesa]

And Resi isn't?

[misty sparrow]

[valid mesa]

Heat emission is a positive tbh.

Outside burst I think she's better with it than without

[twin ingot]

Also my resilience is higher level than Bastion

[dense pendant]

can AR 100% core hit with 4 black hit rate?

[supple fern]

isn't that normal

[past yacht]

I mean you probably use with highest ele damage cube

[supple fern]

my resil is also higher lvl

[twin ingot]

What I mean is that having to reload multiple times is less painful

[valid mesa]

Depends on how far enemy is

[supple fern]

gatrix has a chart for that somewhere

[dense pendant]

i heard scarlet only need 3 hit rate back then

[twin ingot]

On manual, AR should be able to I think

Don't quote me tho

[dense pendant]

yeah

[twin ingot]

Full auto, I don't think so

so AI would miss some

[valid mesa]

Yeah but if you get more bullets between each reload her S2 is more useful

Outside of burst that is

[twin ingot]

Only 58.52% from OLs

[twin ingot]

Fair

For me though, the element from resilience will be more useful ultimately

[supple fern]

found it

[twin ingot]

I'm getting resilience to 15 before moving Bastion past 11

[supple fern]

red is line shot, green I assume is close to it

[willow mountain]

I also meant to ask, does she replace Mari for future SRs?

[supple fern]

mary? ofc

[past yacht]

mary ?

[dense pendant]

crit damage still sucks even with 100% crit rate

[twin ingot]

Mary...?

You mean Mari?

[willow mountain]

Freaking corrector

[misty sparrow]

mary is ded since day 1

[willow mountain]

Yeah Mari

[dense pendant]

4 atk
4 ele
4 hit rate

no need ammo OL
just hyper burst gen so she get infinite ammo uptime

[twin ingot]

We don't know yet

We need to know how Heat Emission works

[supple fern]

does her reload make it so that she gets hurt by ammo increase

[past yacht]

no way you roll ammo

[supple fern]

like having to reload extra times

[dense pendant]

her ammo is sus

[twin ingot]

cuz atm we don't know her piece buff uptime outside of burst

[dense pendant]

first of all she reload immediately after burst end

[twin ingot]

Nope

[past yacht]

with this team offburst is like 4 seconds

[twin ingot]

The reload ratio is % of max

[dense pendant]

by the time you actually finish reloading u might as well already enter another burst, no?

[valid mesa]

Shouldn't crit be better than ATK for OLs since her crit rate is so high?

[twin ingot]

Regardless of whether it calculates by base or OL-buffed max ammo, it's 25% → 50%

[valid mesa]

And crit DMG is higher numbers than ATK?

[dense pendant]

crit damage is dog lol

[past yacht]

crit is fake

[twin ingot]

Crit damage in the formula is bad

[willow mountain]

Crit is a bad stat in this game

[supple fern]

crit dmg is diluted

[past yacht]

foget it exists

[twin ingot]

Bigger number for less result

[valid mesa]

[supple fern]

if near 100% crit rate can't save crit, then nothing will

[valid mesa]

What kinda dumb ass crit formula are they using

[twin ingot]

Crit damage is only a consideration for third roll if you don't like hit rate for some reason

[twin ingot]

It's additive

[valid mesa]

Where at 100% crit rate.

And a game full of ATK buffing allies.

You'd prefer 14% ATK over 20% crit dmg

[frank silo]

add enough 0s to crit damage and it'll be good

[valid mesa]

Oh I see it falls within same group as full burst bonus

[twin ingot]

Yeah, it's super diluted

[valid mesa]

Oh core hit sits there too??

Didn't realise that

[supple fern]

it's for the best honestly

[valid mesa]

Thought core hit was the same as e.g. parts damage

[twin ingot]

Nope

[past yacht]

imagine if you crit fished on every comp

[supple fern]

imagine having to roll for both crit rate and crit dmg on each piece, then atk or ele

[past yacht]

I'm glad crit is fake

[gusty hill]

yeah, me too

[twin ingot]

Crit rate is too hard to get anyway

[dense pendant]

ok actually not that dog

[gusty hill]

imagine how many retries for failing sw snipe

[twin ingot]

In most games 100% crit is not only achievable but normal

[gusty hill]

if crit dmg is significant

[valid mesa]

It's especially bad since you'll be running Grave with Asuka..... Who gives her even more core damage

[twin ingot]

Yeah, crit queen SW doesn't even use crit damage rolls

[dense pendant]

if the boss has no core then go 4 atk 4 ele 4 crit dmg
hit rate give way more but situational

[past yacht]

you roll crits for sw tho

[twin ingot]

Crit rate

and/or charge speed

cuz Zwei exists now (or the times SW uses Liter)

[gusty hill]

well..yeah

if crit actually have impact, we may need to add more to the list

sw alone is already painfull

[valid mesa]

100% crit rate is nice, effectively doubles full burst bonus

But yeah nvm no need for crit DMG rolls

[twin ingot]

Crit Rate is too hard to get

You sacrifice everything else

[dense pendant]

you can go for it

for grave

[twin ingot]

Grave can definitely use it, but it would still be ATK > Crit Damage

You'll just lose damage when it's a core-based boss

[dense pendant]

just a bit more
not as skew as normal

[valid mesa]

She's already diluted though.

Her base for that modifier block is +160%

Full burst + Base crit DMG + Asuka Core Buff

So 20% crit DMG roll raises it to 180%

Not garbage I guess

But not great

[twin ingot]

Mhm

Again, honestly, most people should probably just Ele/ATK then move on

[valid mesa]

Thankfully max ammo seems irrelevant on her

[twin ingot]

I don't think her DPS will be close enough to the likes of RH/SBS/Alice to warrant 12/12

[supple fern]

if her personal dmg isn't that impressive, no need to min max lines

that's like min-maxing doro

[twin ingot]

oops

Look at me, the min-maxed Doro and soon-to-be min-maxed Grave user

Don't be me

Once I'm done with Grave, I'll go back to Phantom to continue making life mistakes

[supple fern]

[valid mesa]

Can't believe it's 2nd Anni and there's still no B1 better than Liter

Just give another CDR good buffs already smh

[willow mountain]

I have already used 20+ rocks trying to get higher than tier 5 rolls on my SBS

[dense pendant]

minmaxing on grave is equivallent to minmaxing on dorothy yeah

[woeful gate]

right... that reminds me that I also have to reroll my sbs too

[twin ingot]

Liter can patch massive holes in the Ark in like two hours

[woeful gate]

alice is already causing me pain

so much pain

[twin ingot]

Nikke with Creative Mode powers

[dense pendant]

but grave has higher ceiling for minmax

[twin ingot]

How do you beat that?

[woeful gate]

I think so far I have 4 atk 2 ele 2 cs 1 ammo and 3 garbage lines

[magic prism]

liter has little competition, Alice on the other hand, still reign supreme

[twin ingot]

Liter loses to DKW in pierce comps, at least

[magic prism]

there's always new unit to make Alice stays in the meta

[twin ingot]

And Exia/Rogue in Electric comp

[magic prism]

there's also Privaty that stays very very comfortable

like wtf

[twin ingot]

Liter getting 100% powercrept would be a bad sign for the game

but she's slowing starting to get competition for different niches

[past yacht]

liter 100% creep would be same as alice 100% creep

[twin ingot]

She's the B1 we can always trust, but someday she'll probably just be that T5 guarantee

[twin ingot]

Nah, cuz Alice is DPS

DPS powercreep is simpler

[past yacht]

who has perma core anyways

[dense pendant]

noone

[past yacht]

after jk

[twin ingot]

Liter provides such a wide range of advantages that it's hard to replace her

[past yacht]

they removed cores ong

can you make it like 70% core

if possible

[twin ingot]

AI bosses do

MC has a permanent core, no?

[dense pendant]

i can but

[twin ingot]

That's important for Cindy

Indivilia also has perma core

for Grave

Kraken and Harvester have partial

[dense pendant]

if she can fking hit it

[twin ingot]

(Kraken 100% for pierce)

[twin ingot]

Asuka can

[past yacht]

I was thinking about sr bosses

and some campaign ones

[twin ingot]

SR bosses are just fights over investing the new meta Nikke

[dense pendant]

i will change it to 50 and 70% core later
need to take a break now

[twin ingot]

AI is the important part

Gotta get those ez S7 clears

kick Alice out of every run

[valid mesa]

Grave doesn't want D Wife does she, since she's not a sniper

[twin ingot]

Correct

[valid mesa]

Such a niche buff

[twin ingot]

It's a good one, though

It's always easy to figure out how to arrange Liter and DKW

[valid mesa]

Isn't it only like 15%

[dense pendant]

liter is fine with grave

[valid mesa]

Or something low

[twin ingot]

DKW with Alice in fire raids, RH in others

Simple

👌

[dense pendant]

DD cant utilise the extra burst regen anyways

[twin ingot]

She can a bit

She is still a pierce sniper

And with high enough skills one can afford to quickshot a few times once and a while

[past yacht]

unless boss trolls, she can spamshot during offburst and still get cdr up in time

[twin ingot]

I've done that with DKW and Rouge in manu towers before

Spam shooting with DKW in Elysion tower is actually super helpful

[supple fern]

I uh

for the last raid, I just spam shots on rouge in my sanis bunny comp

almost always worked out

[twin ingot]

People who leave S1 at like 4 (maybe 7) might have issues tho

[dense pendant]

i mean like

with dd cooldown

u already cap out

you cannot go any faster

[twin ingot]

Ohhh

Gotcha, yeah

As in you don't need the extra gen

[dense pendant]

while liter still can use the extra burst regen for 14 bursts

[twin ingot]

Yup

I thought you meant the opposite direction, my b

[past yacht]

I also did

1 single shared braincell moment

[dense pendant]

[thin viper]

Fire NIKKE really get the best treatment

[unique pivot]

So lemme get this straight

Grave hits 100% CR on burst lvl 10?

including the base CR?

Oh nvm

it is 100%

damn..

[harsh sonnet]

yea base crit rate is 15%

pretty nice

[unique pivot]

imagine if that cr buff was teamwide

[dense pendant]

shiet Kisenix told me that rem dps is more than grave

[green arrow]

is that true?

[dense pendant]

i dont know

i dont even know rem's kit at this point

[thin viper]

yeah, she is a hybrid buffer attacker

[past yacht]

even if its true

does rem even buff

[thin viper]

her dmg might not be on pair with bossing, but she wipe the floor with mobbings

[past yacht]

while grave here making crown sweat

[mint tendon]

Buff rl only lol

And its cindy

The rl

[celest sedge]

imagine loving asuka so much that you dedicate two buffers for her

htk has good taste

[thin viper]

imagine SU not loving money

but yeah, Fire NIKKE get best cooks ever

heck, you already have 2 fire team for SR

[twin ingot]

Is he ignoring pierce

I never trust Kisenix cooking at the start of a kit reveal

[dense pendant]

he's just pure troll

[exotic sun]

can she replace naga here? If we dont need healing

[coarse gust]

[tropic sleet]

Wdym? he scored perfect on his math exam.

[exotic sun]

Wait no i think she have to burst to get the full pierce bonus

[coarse gust]

No healing need ReiA

Even wirh ReiA sometime Indi will still hit one unit back to back rng

But most of time indi will aim for Asuka

With ReiA, sometime indi hit ReiA back to back and she loose hp also

If u consider using alice, even Crown+Naga is much comfy
Grave, just ready to mald

[thin viper]

Yeah, bossing go ReiA

camp go Alice

the rest of team stay the same

[sharp portal]

Clownsenix

[dense pendant]

Alice still goat for bossing lol

[thin viper]

Alice stick with SBS

[dense pendant]

oh

[slow orchid]

@heavy belfry

[iron fable]

Always will be

[dense pendant]

i thought for indi

[slow orchid]

Can I have access to #datamine-discussion

[heavy belfry]

??

[thin viper]

[heavy belfry]

I mean you can see it

Right?

[slow orchid]

yeah but why Jeff can chat in there

[heavy belfry]

He is protocol

[misty sparrow]

[thin viper]

that is a cool kid club

[slow orchid]

how to get protocol

[iron fable]

It's channel locked for everyone, only certain people can type there

[thin viper]

digitalize his ass

[twin ingot]

Be a ||dataminer|| modder

[thin viper]

datamine the modder to assert dominance

[heavy belfry]

Datamine access and know how to share information from it
Also, modding

[onyx crown]

weaker than Laplace

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059468005911830558/1240617445677334599/1kcvn8vghi0d1.gif

[misty sparrow]

X4 ele and done

Deal with it

10/4-7/10 to buff Alice asuka

[ornate bronze]

Skill and overload priority?

[coarse gust]

4ed 4atk
Passable: 3 hit rate 1 ammo

[misty sparrow]

Momo gonna mald those hit rate lines

Thanks momo

[azure tree]

Where is Pierce dmg buff in the damage formula at? Is it the same as Atk damage but only for pierce? Or are they calculated differently?

[quasi star]

pinned says Mari powercreep

I guess Mari gets the skill reset right

[misty sparrow]

If you like to play solo raid then don't reset mari

She's still better than most of our B2 in our hands

[coarse gust]

Wait for couple days and see how people cook so u can make more correct reset decision

Actually Grave not even in this SR

Mari aoe kinda nice to clear shiet, Grave would be riskier but more damage, mald for more damage or comfy

[tulip carbon]

I forgot what Mari kit is

Reposting as a reminder https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1275812668967485440/1275812669512876063/GVf9KntXoAAqLNu.png?ex=672389a3&is=67223823&hm=b1e29d29a29481c1b2439df302fe15d84543422bb105d1218617086798064faf&

[misty sparrow]

Nex favorite font

[woeful gate]

kek

[misty sparrow]

NGL this trend of B2 powercreep this year is unfair

Everything started with Rem

[sacred tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-cat-mad-cat-mad-death-stare-gif-2007099240114134459

[misty sparrow]

Hi buddy

[tulip carbon]

ngl Mari does seem like she can go well with Cinderella, just the tiny problem of wasting her piercing buff

[frank silo]

Rem, Crown, SRosanna, Mari, Graves

christmas is next B2 power creep you read it here first