[Cinderella] New Unit Megathread

[fluid bone]

actually in your case people are literally braindead and thought global server meant something

and chose that over NA/SEA/whatever fucking region they actually belong to

[molten oak]

In my SP arena everybody is smart

Emi, Sanis Noah and Rosanna scarlet teams

Shuffle when?

[south vapor]

<.<

i would never

[modest nest]

but you didn't apologize to my Laplace

[topaz rampart]

YO GUYS,
seems simu room charge buff won't apply on cindy?🤔

still 213% there

compair with red hood, her charge dmg went up to 280

[wheat vault]

isn’t that a separate damage instance

that buff

it doesn’t increase charge damage straight up afaik

[topaz rampart]

but for red hood her charge dmg go up to 280%

[wheat vault]

the numbers don’t add up

250+37.74% = 287.74%

not 280

you have cdamage lines on rh?

[topaz rampart]

sry not same

i was grinding

maybe its a hint, why cindy bugged.
they are not code it as "charge", it's just simply dmg*200%
so that buff won't recognize it, so buff won't apply on cindy?

[modest nest]

well only that buff. Cuz OL still increases it

[topaz rampart]

well thats true🤔

so weird

[agile crystal]

do you have chargespeed buff?

Im pretty sure your RH gets buff by this + SR dolls + OL
not extra chargedmg on hit (sim buff)

[topaz rampart]

i don't have
chg dmg /atk/crit rate/def/hit rate/crit rate/leech

[topaz rampart]

oh that one

totally forgot

thx

[agile crystal]

wait i think your RH gets buff by SR doll / OL chargedmg

not even her s1

RH + SR doll is 273%

another 7% is probably your OL

[wheat vault]

yea I’m pretty sure that the sim room buff is a separate instance of damage

like on full charge, deal x% of atk as damage

[crude oasis]

Speaking of Simulation, I cleared Overclock ratio 50 today and lugged along Cindy as the winggirl. She did about 20m dmg, other supports/defenders did 4m, and the carries did...
300-400m+

Though part of the problem was she's Electric and all the must destroy targets were only damageable by Iron

[fallen quartz]

Day 699: ShiftUp hasn't delivered the patch to fix bugs.

[modest nest]

at least she hits something

[fallen quartz]

Who would win?
A 2nd gen ultimate weapon of humanity with 'lasers'.
vs
A cute funny pink rabbit's laser.

Bruh?!

Change or keep? Cinder.

[modest nest]

change

personally I would lock that ATK first

because with high ATK amount, your online time in HD will be longer till you are no longer dealing dmg

[fallen quartz]

Elemental is elemental

[modest nest]

remember, 100% ele will allow you to deal 2 dmg instead of 1 in 40% deficit non Full Burst

50% ATK on the other hand, will help you deal some ten thousand dmg in 40% deficit non FB

[fallen quartz]

that is my second ele line btw

[topaz rampart]

yeah there is like 3.X% and SR doll

[fallen quartz]

HD need elemental comp anyway

[exotic forum]

If they don't finish recooking Cindy when Grave launches, then we're in for some shit

Definite rework if it takes that long

[fallen quartz]

The event last 3 weeks

we are in the first of 2nd week, solo raid last a week, like i said, they still have a chance to re-open solo raid

[main eagle]

Is cinderalla mid?

[stoic storm]

Mid of the SSS tier maybe

[maiden thicket]

Mid king

[stoic storm]

She strong. Hits hard. Probably SS tier unless she gets a bug fix which will boost her to SSS

Either way one copy is a good choice since good fucking luck getting her after this

[toxic wren]

Prydwen:

• Campaign: S
• Boss: SSS
• PvP: SS
  Nikke.gg:
• Campaign: A
• Boss: SSS
• PvP: SS

These are the ratings given on the sites

[delicate talon]

do copies work a bit better with her? since each copy gives HP + ATK

and her hp scaling gives more atk on top

[toxic wren]

There's no better, all copies give a +2% damage buff

[delicate talon]

oh ok

[toxic wren]

Roughly

What

I'm pretty sure he shared

The lb0 Vs mlb

4% from lb0

7% from mlb

No it's

7% from mlb

[lavish bridge]

it is worse than average

[toxic wren]

C7 is

12% buff from lb0

It's not that bad

[lavish bridge]

*worse than sbs, idk about average

[delicate talon]

hm, im conflicted if i should core max cindy or save the golden tickets and cope the pilgrim new year is an attacker

[toxic wren]

Do you have another nikke u found this for for comparison?

[maiden thicket]

Isnt it better when can have benefit from 2 stats

Or even with hp and atk scale it's still worse than atker atk scale ?

[toxic wren]

Save for new years if Cindy is already MLB

[delicate talon]

yeah she's mlb already

[toxic wren]

I don't think Cindy is worth c7 personally because she is strictly a bossing unit

[delicate talon]

true....

[oak cargo]

[toxic wren]

C7 is for like
Can be used everywhere

[toxic wren]

If you want to aim for MC S9 you should aim for c7 tho

[oak cargo]

[delicate talon]

MC S9?

[toxic wren]

Mirror container stage 9

[delicate talon]

oh

yeah forget that

LOL

[toxic wren]

In AI

[delicate talon]

i can wait on the stage 9 stuff

[maiden thicket]

I hope I recover before NY

[toxic wren]

Double banner again

[maiden thicket]

Naw NY should be only 1

Fuck XMas fuck XLud

[toxic wren]

1 + rerun maybe

[maiden thicket]

L character ate my rocks and still useless

Fuck XLud 0 atk after a whole fucking year

How often do they release story @toxic wren

[toxic wren]

New story on ny

[maiden thicket]

Cause I'm thinking do they have to release new chapter to introduce a character

Like Rapi new form

[toxic wren]

4 releases total

Anniv
half anniv
Ny
And then there's one in the middle somewhere

[maiden thicket]

Rapi NY

[simple dock]

most likely Siren for NY

main story mention Cindy finding traces of her old comrade

and Siren is the only Nikke with playable ID

of the old tales squad (except cindy)

i doubt it gonna be double

however i think double pilgrim this anni is weird af

they dont even synergies

and raid is electric weak, why release Grave ?

[wheat vault]

nah new year is too soon. it’s after new year, late jan-early feb

we got cc solo raid before ch 28. cc solo raid was during valentine maid thing

[maiden thicket]

They just release units base on new chapters

Even it's duo banner but Grave doesnt require much copies

[hidden tinsel]

What bug

[maiden thicket]

And they don't have to be fit in synergies

[hidden tinsel]

Rip I wanted the sisters or thunder thighs

[wheat vault]

we still have chime

[broken berry]

Cindy burst hitting double damage

[hidden tinsel]

Oh it does that rn?

Rip if fix

[wheat vault]

how much of her damage is from burst rather than s1+auto attacks?

i think raon already calculated that

[maiden thicket]

40-60 or smth

[broken berry]

She's still cracked without it afaik, the issue is preventing jp or kr from rioting

[crude oasis]

Cinderella is pretty dubious for wave stages, unless it’s an Electric weak stage

Doesn’t pierce, horrible burst gen, no AoE benefits like BS Scarlet has from proccing her extra attacks, and unreliability on whether Cindy’s shots will actually hit the intended target and not collide with innocent Raptures

Or projectiles

If there’s a character for indiscriminate damage, she’s it

So she’ll put up high numbers if you only need her to waste everything onscreen or help doing so

[broken berry]

Bugerella

[crude oasis]

Not talking about bossing though, that’s separate I think

She clearly helps vs MC and Behe

[maiden thicket]

How many Water Tyrant to we have

CC MC Behemoth

I dont remember old Tyrants

Hmm only 4 so far

[crude oasis]

And despite all the issues I listed, I think she’s still ranking high because she’s still a pretty big gun to bring to the fight

[maiden thicket]

Mother Whale

[crude oasis]

Just you’d progress farther using the still meta top carries we were using before Cindy release

(Unless you’re stuck on MC/Behe)

[maiden thicket]

She will be useful even in neutral raid

[broken berry]

Yeah, Cindy bends mc over a barrel, I wish I had her back then

[maiden thicket]

Electric team now is so strong

The team that doesn't require any special condition like others

Alice Asuka: Core
SW: multiple cleaves + core

[molten oak]

Cindy neutral DMG is around 1b

[broken berry]

Cindy makes me wish I'd pulled for rouge, su knew what they were doing

[crude oasis]

Hehe I had 1 copy of Rouge only, she still did work

[broken berry]

Lucky bugger

[maiden thicket]

U should be able to know what they're gonna do

Last year they release Tia Naga before RH

[wheat vault]

og LE, og kraken, alexander

[crude oasis]

Now 1LB thx standard tickets

[fallen quartz]

So from 0 LB to MLB, she gain 4,12% compare to 6% max
MLB to Core 7, she gains 7.61% compared to 14% max

[maiden thicket]

Yeah im counting on SR only

And mtfk why we had 5 Fire weak bosses

Iron 3

Eletric 5

[broken berry]

Mtfk? Wat dat

[stoic storm]

SSS for boss feels like it's forgetting that for some bosses she hits for 1 damage doesn't she???

Like if the boss moves around..... Doesn't that fuck her up big time?

[maiden thicket]

Mtfk = mother fucker

[stoic storm]

Sorry I'm pretty sure Mtfk = Mount Fuck

[crude oasis]

This perhaps doesn’t do her role justice. This is looking at damage, right?

[fallen quartz]

Stats gain and yes, damage deals based on that

so yeah, she gain a little more from MLB than core 7

[crude oasis]

She’ll have more hp which means healthier decoy which means takes more hits, basically she’s a harder to kill character… Too bad survival is binary.. you have enough to survive or you don’t

[wheat vault]

if only decoy taunts

[maiden thicket]

Looks like Behemoth new mechanic deal direct dmg to HP

[stoic storm]

For dupes she's slightly worse because a good team will give her casters atk% buffs as no amount of dupes fixes the fact she's Defender stat base.

E.g. RH B1 is way better than Liter B1 for Cinderella, because RH is based off her own Attacker stat base

[wheat vault]

guillotine back on the menu

[maiden thicket]

Ignore cover and decoy

[fallen quartz]

yup, SU didn't make a deep calculate on MLB and core 7

in fact, it would be better to give % increase based on class, like Attacker get more % in atk, Defender get more % in HP and supporter get balance stats.

Defender atk is always shit

[maiden thicket]

Prob they didnt want to make taunt mechanic on her cause she has highest atk on some situation

[fallen quartz]

dude, her decoy barely survive in Challenge Solo Raid

you want it taunt?

[maiden thicket]

We didnt know it yet

[stoic storm]

Similarly Cinderella benefits more from gear & doll stats

[maiden thicket]

And even no taunt she still get hit

[fallen quartz]

you can test in AI

each boss have one strongest atk (not counting Ultimate aka team wipe)

[simple dock]

that's good, low spender and f2p still got a fighting chance

[fallen quartz]

increase % in atk for Defender is shit

[maiden thicket]

Are bosses' stat the same ?

[simple dock]

i'm talking about marginal increase in stat from lb0 to c7

[stoic storm]

Yeah especially since silver mileage can get dupes for treasure unlocks too

Truly no actual need for dupes unless you like the character/plan to bring them to push campaign

[maiden thicket]

Pilgrim DPSs are worth to be C7 if u can tho

[fallen quartz]

Only few really need dupes, like SBS

[maiden thicket]

[fallen quartz]

she gain 10% from core 7

[molten oak]

Oh nice, forced to use healer

[simple dock]

you kinda need that 10% to fight for top spots

so yeah

[stoic storm]

That's a whales game tho

Fighting for top 100 on soloraid

[maiden thicket]

Give me SW treasure pls

[molten oak]

Where raid?

[maiden thicket]

[molten oak]

Why SU didn't mention anything

[simple dock]

f2p can easily get top 200 SR ever raid with good planning and some skills

[molten oak]

So the bug is now a feature

[maiden thicket]

Not even 1 week yet

Have to wait

[wheat vault]

with all that rewards given out, might as well consider it cancelled

[stoic storm]

[maiden thicket]

Nah it's compensation reward

A rank 1 player will miss 6000 gems

They only gave like 500 ?

No frame too

[wheat vault]

yeah, -gems and frame for sure

[fallen quartz]

14 is max, so 10% is already very good, compare to 7% Cinder

[wheat vault]

but the rest are given out

[maiden thicket]

No way that's fair

[stoic storm]

F2P don't have enough books and gear for starters.

How am I meant to raise all these elemental weak only DPS like Quency, Ein, etc?

[maiden thicket]

I believe it's called " compensation reward "

Or they will open challenge mode immediately

[fallen quartz]

the reality is that f2p have a hard time to compete with us veteran

[maiden thicket]

When they're done with the fix

[simple dock]

if you're f2p but a veteran player, you can get top 200

[fallen quartz]

as latter updates have been benefit strong players than new players.

[simple dock]

i've been hovering around 18x to 19x for 6 raids now

[molten oak]

Fix will probably arrive during Grave's banner update

[fallen quartz]

my f2p friend have MLB Cinder

dude ignore Grave completely

[maiden thicket]

There's no fair in competitive gacha games tho

If u start late, u have to spend more to catch up

[simple dock]

game is design to cater to payer

so yeah that's true

[fallen quartz]

unless Grave bug first

[maiden thicket]

Believe me, competitive in HI3 is more pain

New players have to spend alot to catch up old players

[simple dock]

Nikke is kinda chill ngl

[fallen quartz]

Come on, SU, you can't bug a generic mechanism like Grave, right?

[molten oak]

Imagine if they add something in Cindy burst like "when she is in charge status her damage is equal to her charge dmg"

[fallen quartz]

Oh yeah? as a man that loves ass, WHERE ARE THE DAMN JIGGLES?!

NIKKE and skins have been nerfing the butts

[maiden thicket]

In Nikke new players have to catch up on sync lv, OLs and module lvs

[fallen quartz]

where is cater to payer? I paid for ass, so I want to see it dance.

[maiden thicket]

But since AI come new players have to rush harder for sync 400 tho

[fallen quartz]

Cinder's attack animation can stay, but need a new framework

[simple dock]

Cindy doesn't feel like a game changer the way RH did

[molten oak]

Took me around 1,4 years rush synch 400

[fallen quartz]

which cost time, and time is money

[maiden thicket]

Yeah I agree on this

RH contributed alot in many contents

[fallen quartz]

well, her bugs do a game changer

[wheat vault]

if they try cindy to be a game changer (like multi element, multi weapon), imagine how much more buggy it would be

[simple dock]

RH fundamentally change how we play hard campaign

same as Crown

[maiden thicket]

SI speed run, campaign high deficit push, UR SR carrier

[simple dock]

but Cindy im not sure anymore

[fallen quartz]

RH is the 1st gen of NIKKE, the GOddess herself

don't compare her to a goodie two shoes

[stoic storm]

I'm day 1 player, on and off tho, am only level ~390ish

Can't imagine a new player doing well in interception and getting regular crystals

[maiden thicket]

Cindy is just a better piece of op electric comp

With Rouge

[simple dock]

there are many new powerful Nikkes now compare to the past though

[molten oak]

No

[maiden thicket]

No, prob Exia and Rouge can go tgt

[simple dock]

so it's much easier to do SI

[molten oak]

Exia Ein

P2 electric

[maiden thicket]

Burst Rouge only

[fallen quartz]

So far, we have seen 1st gen Goddess literally slay the games, compare to 2nd gen and onward.

[molten oak]

[fallen quartz]

SU design them based on lore

[stoic storm]

Even full clearing SI the rates are trash tho

[simple dock]

should i treasure up Exia or finish doll for Cindy ?

[maiden thicket]

Just focus on 1 first

If u get Exia treasure u have to lv her skill

[stoic storm]

I'm not bothering with Exia, we have enough decent B1 now

[molten oak]

meh

Liter dwife rouge

[maiden thicket]

At least 4/7/7 - 4/10/7 - 4/10/10

[molten oak]

Rouge is now top tier bossing cuz cindy

[simple dock]

how is Exia outside of electric weak raid ?

[molten oak]

[stoic storm]

MaidPriv means SG should do good damage, so Tove is a fourth slot.

So then 5th is a fight between Doro, Volume, and Treasure Exia.

That's a big investment for team 5

[molten oak]

1b-1,3b neutral raid I believe

[maiden thicket]

Exia > Ein in neutral raid I think

[molten oak]

[simple dock]

bunny gonna go with Tove for SG team now i think

[molten oak]

But think is

[simple dock]

so comfy that team

[molten oak]

Cindy+Sanis against neutral

Is better

Cindy flat dmg is big af

[maiden thicket]

Exia Blanc Cindy Rouge SAnis in neutral, maybe

[stoic storm]

Surely for SR blanc lives with Rouge while Noir collects dust

[molten oak]

Cindy alone can 1b+ against neutral

[maiden thicket]

Still need Crown for who has ele advantage

[molten oak]

Sure P1 behemoth is crown Cindy rouge sanis

[maiden thicket]

Unless u can find a better B2 then yes

[molten oak]

Mari

[stoic storm]

Mari with Rouge?

Cindy does pierce now?

[maiden thicket]

Pierce dmg on electric team is crazy

[molten oak]

XD

41% atk DMG

Her burst

[stoic storm]

Blanc gives the superior (for bossing) damage taken debuff and heals

[crude oasis]

Yep, and can handle pretty good sustained damage on a single character because she keeps bursting up their max hp

Anytime Blanc bursts

[molten oak]

ngl I like more Grave for Alice

[crude oasis]

Best bunny in Nikke

[molten oak]

Maybe I'll lose reload but the DMG mmmmm

[crude oasis]

Will Graves be good enough to prompt a RH + Alice combo?

[molten oak]

Nah

Alice asuka

[crude oasis]

Oh right

I keep forgetting there’s an Abnormal piercer

[molten oak]

I mean surely rh

If Alice goes with SBS in crown

[maiden thicket]

Alice will stick to SBS forever

Until they release a better slave for SBS

[molten oak]

[maiden thicket]

Grave is more likely a Indi AI material, SW- RH slave

[stoic storm]

Does Alice buff SBS that much?

Isn't her S1 super low when she's not the one bursting?

[molten oak]

Alice+SBS>Cindy+sanis

Vs neutral

[stoic storm]

Sure but that's just Alice & SBS both being SSS tier boss killers

I'm more asking if it's that much of a loss to separate them

[maiden thicket]

Rmb when they released unit for new people can clear SI easily

D for Modernia

[stoic storm]

When it's either:

• Alice giving SBS a good buff when SBS is off burst
• Alice giving SBS a bad buff when SBS is on burst

[maiden thicket]

Sakura for Alteisen

Now they're slowly doing that

QQuency for Harvester

Cindy MC Grave Indi

[molten oak]

Cindy for hard mode bosses walls

[stoic storm]

Notably the last three are also damage dealers/buffers

Meanwhile Sakura is garbage as soon as you break the MLB wall

[agile crystal]

Bruh you 80 levels behind day1 f2p

[molten oak]

[agile crystal]

even kisenix can top50 in SEA (top100 in other region)

and the guy is big hoarder

He still can compete

[molten oak]

Kisenix is top 50 sea?

Lol

[agile crystal]

yes lol

[stoic storm]

Maybe other regions are easier, I'm on JP and I'm struggling just to break top 3% lol

But my point was sure, I'm 80 days behind.

A new player who joins today is 700 days behind lol

[maiden thicket]

No way

3% in SEA is like hell

Highest score require to be in 3%

This happened like 3-4 raids recently

[fallen quartz]

^

Alice, Rei, Asuka

all meta fire

^

[maiden thicket]

They're not giving permanent core on SR anymore

[molten oak]

For 3% shit frame last raid was a hell

4,5b

[maiden thicket]

No it was 5b +

[molten oak]

Oh yeah 5b

My bad

Well yeah last raid Viper was quite important

And Exia for the P5 neutral team

1,3b no pilgrim is wild

Good p5

[stoic storm]

I was really excited for this raid because I actually have all the meta electric Nikke (except treasure Exia) and for first time had a SG team ready after finally getting Leona&Tove.

Alas, cancelled before I could test where I'm at now my team 5 isn't utter trash 😔

[molten oak]

My mpriv is kek

idk if SG cope will survive without heal xD

[stoic storm]

No Bunny Alice?

[molten oak]

Exactly I don't have balice

[copper ice]

i just maxed doll Ein over cindy. Hope i make the right choice.

[maiden thicket]

Need high core and treasure on 2 DPSs

[sacred grove]

except for someone named elz

[stoic storm]

I mean assuming we get rewards again a second time when it returns.... Can probably max doll both lol

I wanna level & max grave but I guess the better choice is to prioritise electric Nikke for raid return huh

[molten oak]

Lb0 no doll

[stoic storm]

Run Mari in my fire team instead to beat up interrupt circles

[molten oak]

Me

For grave burst

Crown, grave, Blanc, Mari, Leona?

Yeah I forgot naga

No

No permanent core

also no core

Mo reason to use naga there xD

Yeah fuck Blanc, pvp meta we can't reset her

No core

Pierce parts

Honestly I didn't check well

[fallen quartz]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/1gjgmcs/ranking_each_pilgrim_by_sanity/

Wow, being sane makes you stronger, who would have thought? RH btw

[molten oak]

"Most sane person", it's ded

[weary cedar]

If "at least hits something" is her standard, then Crow did better

[heavy scaffold]

so they added another known issues but still no charge bug is mentioned

and tf is november 7 revision

[deft obsidian]

Intern is in the future

[sand mesa]

Probably cause they're not going to fix the bug due to how many people are bitching about it

[gloomy quartz]

Then it’s more likely they’re gonna say the wording of cindy s1 will be changed and then include the “bug” as a feature

[fallen quartz]

but the bug is a feature

I understand SU want to make Cinder's weapon bullet something unique, as it always does with other Pilgrims

but for God sake, there are thousands of laser beam designs that are unique.

and doesn't need to behave like... whatever it's currently

[heavy scaffold]

and the worse is her 10 times burst can't get full burst bonus like scar while ein sbs alice all get it

[sullen forum]

thats why it scales off charge damage

because it can't get fb bonus

[fallen quartz]

Alright, to keep the current beams fly like that, there is an easy solution:
Usually the game behaves: aim => input => bullet fly animation => touch hit box => deal dmg.
The fix: aim => input => invisible (bullet) touch hit box => deal dmg after a very short delay => bullet fly animation.

That is a simplify way, basically make an invisible bullet that almost instantly touch the enemy, then display the dmg.

So even if bullet fly and hit an rock (animation), the rapture will get damage regardless (mechanism)

and players won't really care

because the mechanism matches what players want when playing, despite the animation being out of place a little bit.

these are based on games I have played, where animation doesn't match with mechanism, but gameplay is way more important than artistic (not always), so If make a choice, prefer mechanism.

[lavish bridge]

nah i only did one for SBS
but SBS has innate 115 % atk so she's worth more for each dupes than most units

[toxic wren]

Cindy has 130+% atk buff essentially lol

[lavish bridge]

that's true but her number is eh

idk

[lavish bridge]

probably because the team buffs

[toxic wren]

What is SBS increase

[lavish bridge]

80% HP from rouge

so its diluted

[toxic wren]

Do u have this for sbs

[lavish bridge]

9.7 or 9.8% or something

[toxic wren]

What about the 0 -> mlb

[lavish bridge]

this was with perm core but should be the same for % gain

im pretty sure Cindy gain less because buffs dilut from teammates

if u think about it Rouge give 80% HP so the 10% more HP from Cindy Core 7 worth way less than 10% total gain

[dusty tundra]

1 Rouge + 1 Cindy is barely more than 1 Mast

[lavish bridge]

Mast is shit

[dusty tundra]

I'm coping lol

Getting a PIlgrim in standard banner is easier than getting one in wish list

[molten oak]

Bug what bug?

It's a feature guys

[elder pier]

I guess charge bug is here to stay?

Cus theres no way theyll acknowledge an obscure bug like this but not the charge bug.

[heavy scaffold]

charge bug is also as obscure as decoy bug and they fixed harran already so ppl are expecting the same

[elder pier]

I mean as in how many ppl are talking about the charge bug vs how many talking about the decoy bug.

[heavy scaffold]

https://naver.me/GEX7CXxR

can't believe they actually buff cindy

which is rh mk2

[elder pier]

Lmao

[elder pier]

So they doubled the dmg

[heavy scaffold]

wasn't rh fix the same that doubled dmg

[ivory heath]

Won’t she be like, stronger than the current one?

[maiden thicket]

LMAO

haha

[heavy scaffold]

but this is more about her basic atk mechanic

idk if just making her numbers double will fix all this mess

[ivory heath]

Like iirc the bug only affected like the first instance of damage?

While now she will hit for double on the second instance too

[elder pier]

All 10

[gloomy quartz]

Umm

Should I mlb her then

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-the-frog-trippy-pepe-gif-11988854

New numbers be looking crazy

[maiden thicket]

new number is like more than double dmg

but at least we dont have pressure to fish charge dmg on OL

which is very good

[heavy scaffold]

at least they fixed core miss and charge bug, decoy bug will be fixed later

[potent sapphire]

hope her projectiles wont get stuck on all objects near the boss now

[heavy scaffold]

but other issues coming from curved projectiles would remain

unless they change it to heat scanned straight beam which they won't

[sullen forum]

they really doubled the damage

wow

[wheat vault]

any solo raid mention?

[heavy scaffold]

nope only cinder and vesti fix

and some mini games

[wheat vault]

[sullen forum]

what was the venti bug

[elder pier]

Its exactly double

[heavy scaffold]

11. Fixed an issue where Vesti's burst skill "Self-Defense" was functioning differently than before.

[sullen forum]

I was asking what was functioning different

did any of you touch vesti for the last month

💀

[heavy scaffold]

they never tell us

[gloomy quartz]

Who uses vesti

[heavy scaffold]

I did for elyshit tower but

[elder pier]

Oh it was on arca, the missile containers use the same code as cindy gun.

So they were firing with insane projectile speed

[heavy scaffold]

wut

[icy tree]

Her new version isnt even out yet

[sullen forum]

lmao

[icy tree]

[heavy scaffold]

[gloomy quartz]

[maiden thicket]

oh my bad

[chilly kernel]

Did they just fix the charge bug silently and 2x the burst modifier, so nothing really changed?

[heavy scaffold]

fucking sphagetti code

[gloomy quartz]

yep

Looks like it

She’s staying the same as she is

The bug is now a feature

[elder pier]

Slight nerf i guess since doll and charge ol no l8nger affect it.

But thats whatever

[icy tree]

Does that mean Cinderella would hit better or nah?

[gloomy quartz]

Let’s see the numbers after correction

[simple dock]

how to do the charge bug with Cindy ?

[maiden thicket]

Full charge + press burst

just make sure your Cindy is shooting before using burst skill

[simple dock]

does it increase your dmg by much? i dont follow that

[maiden thicket]

It's an old Harran bug since first days of the game, it increase your burst dmg base on charge %

It means if u have charge dmg on your OL, your burst is even stronger

[gloomy quartz]

Charge damage meta (2024-2024) rip

[simple dock]

was it like ~20% increase dmg ?

[chilly kernel]

So... What kind of problem you guys expect to see on the 3rd anni unit?

[icy tree]

When is the patch likely to drop?

[maiden thicket]

they should buff this also, double this dmg

[icy tree]

I wonder if they'll buff her S2

[elder pier]

It already says nov 7

[icy tree]

Ah right, I didnt notice that

[heavy scaffold]

oh dem it's not tmr?

[lusty swift]

what the best ol stat for her now?

[lost lintel]

EM

[maiden thicket]

22:00 GMT 7+ 6th Nov

[maiden thicket]

4ele 4atk 1 ammo

[ionic breach]

No need to have charge dmg right?

[maiden thicket]

no

[molten oak]

Ahahahahahaha

Shift up want money not a balanced game

[elder pier]

Wdym? Shes currently the weakest b3 of old tales squad

[molten oak]

XD

[modest nest]

oh bug patch

[agile crystal]

not fix the bug >complain
they fixed the bug >complain

[full garnet]

Oh no, gacha game wants money? The horror~

[molten oak]

Nah is ok

[agile crystal]

They made it a feature >complain

[pseudo garnet]

so when is the SR?

[molten oak]

Who knows, maybe after patch

[modest nest]

finally

[pseudo garnet]

they didn't mentioned it in the notes, I just hope they cancel the SR altogether, too lazy to do it. Worst case SR started the same time with UR

[molten oak]

Rip solo raid

[maiden thicket]

?

We will lose frame and gems

[molten oak]

next month

Nah idk xD

[heavy scaffold]

raid is ded

[maiden thicket]

there's no reason to cancel raid when they can fix bug

[pseudo garnet]

3000 apologems, and the frame through mail, case close

[maiden thicket]

prob they will announce after bug is fixed later

[heavy scaffold]

meaning I'll be dried to death investing graves

[pseudo garnet]

yeah, but SR at the same week with UR? man that suxx

[molten oak]

Anyway

hyper carry bossing

[icy tree]

Graves is very investment heavy?

[molten oak]

Yeah

[heavy scaffold]

another 101010 thing

[molten oak]

10/7/10 at least

[icy tree]

Aw no

[heavy scaffold]

and 555 OL

and SR15 doll

[molten oak]

She's hyper buffing pierce units

And she's a good decent sub dps

If crown buff is ok for Rh snow and maxwell

[icy tree]

I dont have enough resources after pouring most of it on Cindy

[molten oak]

Grave buff is a monster for them

[heavy scaffold]

my asuka will be a monster

[molten oak]

Oh sure I forgot asuka

[heavy scaffold]

and asuka also buffs graves

[molten oak]

yeah

[simple dock]

Asuka Grave gonna be wild

[tired elm]

maybe they purposely delayed solo raid for grave

[patent oak]

no en post yet

[tired elm]

new kit?

[fallen quartz]

is that her new kit?!

wait, so that mean we will get a skill reset.

[pliant plover]

yeah

[kindred shell]

They just increased her burst dmg

[pliant plover]

but the s1 and 2 seem to be the same

[patent oak]

ye as per jp account

[kindred shell]

Just read the in game notice

[tired elm]

oh im boutto cum

[kindred shell]

Nothing different except flatten out charge dmg bug impact

To a flat 2x

[tired elm]

[fallen quartz]

what does that mean?

[tired elm]

and the bug was 1.5x right

[kindred shell]

Just read the in game notice, it's really straightforward

Fix bug, double her initial burst

[wind matrix]

you just don't need to do full charge anymore, they just double the dmg for you

[fallen quartz]

I just check, yup, they double her initial burst dmg

the AoE beams

[wind matrix]

[fallen quartz]

the rest of kit stay the same

[tired elm]

thank u shifty

[fallen quartz]

but the mechanism also get update like Kira said

[kindred shell]

Overall impact is a tiny nerf and puts charge dmg back into the ground

[fallen quartz]

well, that is something, now i'm waiting for the accuracy buff

[heavy scaffold]

yea she now doesn't be affected by charge dmg up from doll

[fallen quartz]

we still have Cinder randomly atk enemies

and core accuracy

[ocean terrace]

its in the same patch

[wind matrix]

they did try to fix it again

[fallen quartz]

SU, you fucking idiot.

they just devalue the doll

and now it only add stats and second passive

but i'm wondering about OL charge dmg

[heavy scaffold]

also decoy bug doesn't seem to be fixed in this patch

[ocean terrace]

its the same

if you rolled for charge dmg specifically, then it won't boost the burst anymore

just her autos

[pseudo garnet]

what's the decoy bug? this is the first time I've heard of it

[fallen quartz]

So they fucking disable charge dmg and make it a fixed value...

[tired elm]

what was the percent of dmg increase by bug

[fallen quartz]

🤦

[heavy scaffold]

it's another day 1 bug and still remaining

[vale forge]

if I have a penny for every anniv unit that was buffed in the second week following their story conclusion i will have two pennies. but it is weird it happened twice

[fallen quartz]

the decoy is count as 0.5 position

[pseudo garnet]

wtf, how SU code their game???

[fallen quartz]

that mean it connect position of two nikke on each side, and small aoe dmg from enemies can hit the nikke

[fallen quartz]

Slap genetic codes on it and pray to God for it work

[kindred shell]

Everything is as it should be now, except Cinderella is 20% stronger than intended and charge dmg is slightly worse than it already should've been

[fallen quartz]

20% dmg is Harran's bug from day 1, and now it's on Cinder

[kindred shell]

All is right with the world

[heavy scaffold]

they don't, AI will do the job

[fallen quartz]

don't get high hope yet, wait until they do something with beams

[pseudo garnet]

shid, and the AI coded the game in korean. Got it

[heavy scaffold]

but I'm sure AI will do better

[lavish bridge]

final

[elder pier]

Heres a vid
https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/120209002?category=정보&target=all&keyword=베스티&p=1

[fallen quartz]

#1299716154125713549 message
SU could have just followed this method and it will work, no need to mess up default values. Yes, I have knowledge of game development, hence SU just trigger me more.

[tired elm]

wtf gg

[fallen quartz]

Doll's RL is one of best buff, and now it shit

[pseudo garnet]

bruh I already 15lvl purpled it bruh, now it's a waste?

[elder pier]

The stats still good

[fallen quartz]

yeah, stats plus are nice

[heavy scaffold]

the major reason for doll is 300k hp and 10k atk up

[fallen quartz]

but yeah, passive is dead

[heavy scaffold]

passive is just a margin

[ocean terrace]

its just

[nimble crypt]

buff

[elder pier]

Cp buff

[pseudo garnet]

damn, but it missing it maximum potential

[ocean terrace]

the same as it always was on literally every other RL char

[nimble crypt]

okay, let's riot

[ocean terrace]

thats like saying sr15 doll on sbs is shit

[heavy scaffold]

and cinder gets even greater benefit from doll stat thanks to s1

[pseudo garnet]

I think also the problem with cindy's projectile is because she's an RL, so her shot is projectile based, if she's an Sniper Rifle than this would never be a problem

[fallen quartz]

Or they just use method I said

which baffle me as they can't think about a simple solution

[pseudo garnet]

probably it's because they already hardcoded the RL unit or something so they just can't change the projectile

I think if they change it into hitscans, it will messed up the code propping up more bugs, lel

my two cents

[ocean terrace]

yeah its definitely cause she's a RL

[heavy scaffold]

this is their current situation

[ocean terrace]

mod's bullets look like they curve during burst but they're just hitscan

[fallen quartz]

nothing hardcoded, they are developers, only hard thick skull that nothing can get through

[pseudo garnet]

or maybe they just to afraid to change the lines in the code and break the whole thing, kek

[fallen quartz]

bad management, and just wait, I bet on a new bug will arrive.

[simple dock]

it's ok

more apologems

[deft obsidian]

Code probably too spaghetti

[fallen quartz]

^

[deft obsidian]

Asian devs are notorious for poorly organizing code/files

[fallen quartz]

trust me, some games just run on miracle of Jesus.

[fallen quartz]

depend

[twin hornet]

Is she still mid for campaign after fix

[elder pier]

Shes the best against ch 34 campaign boss

[fallen quartz]

Don't know yet, we are eager to test Cinder after the fix.

[frigid pumice]

chat just to confirm this is technically a buff from Day 1 Cinderella ? lol

[deft obsidian]

Unless you're getting a bunch of dupes, her CP loss will hinder you more than she'll help for most content anyway

[frigid pumice]

cause we dont have the increase dmg bug until they tried to fix something

[deft obsidian]

Yesn't

[fallen quartz]

Cinder have two fricking bugs that exist from day 1

Decoy, and 20% dmg

they have 2 years to fix, but no

[elder pier]

Charge bug was day 1

On cindy

[brave socket]

yup ^

[fallen quartz]

Delta's decoy and Harran

[brave socket]

a lot of people thought otherwise but actually it was since the start

(me included)

[fallen quartz]

If they fixed those two bugs, Cinder would be less buggy, as SU just slap the current framework on her.

[heavy scaffold]

I like bugerella already

[sullen forum]

tbh this should have stayed

it looks so sick

[fallen quartz]

her skin's ass shakes like an idle horse

buff ass when?

[rancid siren]

is she as strong as day 1 or did they fix bug 2 aswell?

[heavy scaffold]

and it's half transparent

[rancid siren]

fax

[fallen quartz]

they ignore decoy bug

[molten oak]

honestly she has no reason to jiggle, because she's not shooting

[fallen quartz]

and yes, they just 'fix' charge dmg bug

[molten oak]

[sullen forum]

which decoy bug

[deft obsidian]

Weaker than Day 1 vs close range, stronger than day 1 vs med/far

[fallen quartz]

Decoy count as .5 position, meaning when Cinder is in position 3, decoy is on 3,5 and Liter on 4

[sullen forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299716154125713549/1303338909295579186/image.png?ex=672b6472&is=672a12f2&hm=3877ecab89caa7f5ec45685333187a7c646260eda633a25c0659961ffe9ee524&

[deft obsidian]

cuz the projectile speed/AoE buffs fixed her failure to deal damage to targets like Mirror Container

[sullen forum]

you mean this

[fallen quartz]

yes, no annoucement of fix yet

[sullen forum]

thats the announcement

wdym

[fallen quartz]

that mean they know

[deft obsidian]

That's the notice that they'll fix it

[heavy scaffold]

decoy bug is not mentioned in maint announcement

[deft obsidian]

Not that it's fixed

[rancid siren]

how bad is it?

[fallen quartz]

but doesn't mean they will fix it right away

or ever

[heavy scaffold]

so it will take another time

[deft obsidian]

Decoy bug really only matters for PvP anyway

[fallen quartz]

unlike the charge dmg bug, which is already here, waiting for the next patch

[deft obsidian]

In PvE she'll be with Rouge, so she wouldn't be backline

[heavy scaffold]

sadly it isn't

[fallen quartz]

I only hope future bosses won't abuse the bug and deal insane dmg to NIKKE

[frigid pumice]

question is can she still hit core in close range kekw

[fallen quartz]

so far, two bosses have benefit from decoy bugs, luckily they are not meta bosses

[fallen quartz]

should be

[rancid siren]

which?

[deft obsidian]

Most important bugfix

[fallen quartz]

Ultra

[rancid siren]

damn ultra gives head pieces though but my iron team should be enough

[fallen quartz]

I forgot the other one

[fallen quartz]

this bug is in previous event as well, the summer event

[frigid pumice]

aight lets see what cant be hit properly after this kekw

but i do hope no more of these weird accuracy

[topaz rampart]

WTF why chinese & jpanese didn't talkt about that

can someone give me EN version

[frigid pumice]

btw is Ammo still useful OL for her now this whole thing is fixed

maybe i could cut some and get like atk% instead

[deft obsidian]

You want ATK anyway

It's 4x ele, 4x ATK, 1 ammo, 3 flex

[heavy scaffold]

isn't dat en version

[topaz rampart]

i don't have

give me link thanks

[dusky niche]

idk about the others, but I don't think this bug is a big deal because we can just put her in the front row
Also, she's always be in the front row with her best buffer, Rogue

[pliant plover]

I have 2 crit rate and 1 crit dmg for the flex spots

[agile crystal]

Its only happen if you put her in brick position pos2 and pos4

[heavy scaffold]

I think jp notice is the same in game

[topaz rampart]

i mean i need the link

[frigid pumice]

yep i got 3 ammo lines , gotta sac some then oof

[topaz rampart]

okay

[heavy scaffold]

it's in game notice

[topaz rampart]

dat fuk chinese in game say nothing

[heavy scaffold]

they added that in previous known issue notice

[topaz rampart]

[heavy scaffold]

not separate one

[topaz rampart]

oh i saw it

other page

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-woody-everywhere-toy-toystory-gif-14733284408652833336

BUG

2nd anniver bring us back to 2022/11/4

[heavy scaffold]

it's their tradition for anniversary festa

[topaz rampart]

lmao

[heavy scaffold]

to mess up things and fix

[topaz rampart]

never forget the buggs

[lusty jewel]

Fix ? Nah
It's a feature

[heavy scaffold]

[toxic wren]

Same as current one

[dusky niche]

So, they doubled her burst damage
iirc, the same thing happened last year...

[toxic wren]

When in doubt

[deft obsidian]

Last year was more than double

RH's level 1 burst now has more damage than the level 10 did at first

[dusky niche]

[weary cedar]

Guys, I wanna ask

[simple dock]

at least it wasn't bugged last year

[deft obsidian]

Although I guess that true of Cindy, tho it wasn't intentional

[weary cedar]

If Naga goes with Tia, what is the best team for Cindy? Rouge, Marciana, Cindy, SAnis, Ein? Rouge, Grave, Cindy, SAnis, Noise?

Assuming they need a healer

[deft obsidian]

Cindy/Rouge/Ein/S Anis/B Alice probably

Oh wait

[weary cedar]

No b2

[deft obsidian]

Yeah

[weary cedar]

[dusky niche]

Rouge+ Crown should be enough imo, hopefully you don't need a healer with them

[heavy scaffold]

crown or blanc

I would put crown in cinder team

[deft obsidian]

If sacrificing a B3 DPS for healer, I think B Alice is best

So Crown/B Alice/Cindy/Rouge/S Anis

But usually Crown comp doesn't need healer

[weary cedar]

I see

[deft obsidian]

Ein will generate burst so Crown can just keep heals up

and, if boss decides to attack highest ATK unit, Cindy is ultra tank

Decoy + Crown shield + Defender HP

[weary cedar]

Does she taunts? Her decoy I mean

[deft obsidian]

Doesn't have to

Most SR bosses focus highest ATK

[dusky niche]

Rouge heals 20% of her max hp every burst, too
she's a 'healer'

[dusty shuttle]

buffed her in the worst way =\

[deft obsidian]

and her HP → ATK conversion gives her insane ATK

[weary cedar]

Oh right, I forgot Rouge is a healer

[deft obsidian]

"healer"

Marciana will probably be with Scarlet

if we need heals

Unless Scarlet is with bunnies

but usually the goal is to try to avoid putting non-offensive healers with the most potent DPS, so definitely Crown/B Alice or Rouge/Blanc

should it be necessary

(since bunnies will probably merge with SG comp anyway)

[shrewd bloom]

Ein Rouge Cindy Crown S.Anis

We malding

[deft obsidian]

Yeah, if no healing necessary, definitely

Time for 4 billlion damage in one team

[molten oak]

Anomaly?

I like more crown Naga Cindy rouge sanis

[heavy scaffold]

dem I need more eles on cinder

[molten oak]

[stone urchin]

I don7t have sanis or rouge

is there any way to salvage

[sullen forum]

ein and liter

[heavy scaffold]

nope wait till sanis rerun

[molten oak]

Guys, at lvl 400 how big is the difference between 0 atk 20 and 40 atk

[oak cargo]

I strongly believe its 20

[sand mesa]

They did more than double her burst so she should still hit the same I suppose

[brazen violet]

wow

this is even better than the bug

since you don need to watch your reload

you can burst anytime

[sand mesa]

I'm assuming this has already been posted

[molten oak]

[brave socket]

so they actually fixed the bug and let the power stay huh...

and fixed the close range accuracy too I guess ?

[tired plinth]

Double Grave Buffs now

[brave socket]

so 13659.2 % XDDD

damage to 1 targe

what she's doing now I guess

well not really , it's a nerf if you had extra charge damage I guess no ?

how does she stand with accuracy fixed and ult staying the same ? best damage dealer ingame or

[brazen violet]

its even better

since it does not rely on full charge

just straight up that poweful

[brave socket]

uhm was full charge ever an issue?

if you ran low ammo I guess ?

or you play on auto and you reloaded before bursting

[toxic wren]

@kindred shell do you think it was a good idea to keep the burst damage of Cindy that high

[elder pier]

Yes

[toxic wren]

Kinda makes her super op 4ever for bossing

[brave socket]

I dont think so , but probably was their best bet to not get killed by players

if they dont design next content to be played with cinderella

then it's gucci

[molten oak]

Yeah now build her

[brave socket]

if boss hp goes up , welp

at least there's no stronger nikke in story for now. || Liliweiss || is not alive so they cant realease her

so maybe alters is the next answer

[deft obsidian]

yet

[brave socket]

final boss aura lol

doesnt seem like it will be any time soon xD

[deft obsidian]

CEO plans for 20 year game

[brave socket]

literally cinderella was planted on first ani

[simple dock]

need to find the ||head|| first

[kindred shell]

if I had to hazard a guess I feel like the devs don't do math on their kits and just throw them into shooting range to test them instead

[elder pier]

Maybe next solo raid the boss will have a skill that says: Reduce final atk by -100% for all units whose name is Cinderella.

[kindred shell]

so tbh I'm guessing this power level is what they intended to begin with

and they just weren't aware of the bug

[brave socket]

I could see bigdebuffs for certain element happening

which would sting hard but kinda has to be done with this powercreep

[deft obsidian]

That would be hilarious

[bronze estuary]

I doubt Liliweiss will ever become playable considering she doesn't use any gun, she fights with her freakin fists

[molten oak]

In 2 years solo raid will be pure pilgrim dps raid XD

[brave socket]

doesnt make sense. People have expressed multiple times that they want to roll big time on ani

[kindred shell]

Otherwise they would've caught something so blatantly obvious if you're someone who sit down and look at damage numbers and try to sanity check them for correctness

[brave socket]

you dont have to underpower a unit

[kindred shell]

read the sentence again

[toxic wren]

Well I've discussed this at length a bunch of times and with you too I think once before
We all know that they don't have good testers at all

Imo they were forced to keep Cinderella that strong cuz of some possible backlash that they would've made Cinderella weaker

[elder pier]

Red hood is currently dead, so now devs have to delete the unit from our accounts to remain lore accurate.

[kindred shell]

they were forced to keep her strong but I'm willing to bet they just thought this was her power level to begin with

and just didn't realize she was bugged

[fallen quartz]

Or good testers voice it out but higher up decide to ignore to rush deadlines

[brave socket]

has to be alive tho at least when released

which she w as

the trigger is more like

"has to interact with the commander on the main story "

more than being alive or dead

[deft obsidian]

Dev A "Hey, the players are saying that her damage is bugged."
Dev B "What do you mean? Hold on, let me test... Looks fine to me."
Dev A "No look at this math they did. This is the same bug that we had to fix for Alice!"
Dev B "Uh, let's tell the boss."
Boss: Drinks a shot Edit the numbers and call it a day. And make sure her normal attacks are fixed so we can get solo raid up before the event ends."

[simple dock]

unlikely since this will lead to where we are right now

[deft obsidian]

[kindred shell]

I'd guess they started to throw their units into shooting range starting around MPriv

cause they just kept on consistently fucking up with unit power levels before that

[simple dock]

i guess they dont have a proper testing enviroment

[fallen quartz]

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[sullen forum]

didn't sr went down because boss qte was bugged

[lavish bridge]

[toxic wren]

mPriv was somewhat balanced though in my opinion

The way they planned mPriv was very neat, tove release, Leona release, and then the full sg team

[deft obsidian]

They should make a player-based testing group similar to how they recruited the focus group(s) for feedback

[fallen quartz]

more like they cut it out to save more time and have more money, testers cost money

[kindred shell]

I mean, they crippled her numbers relative to the leaks last minute

[lavish bridge]

not me thinking they were good at keeping intended Cindy at 1.2 SBS

[kindred shell]

which is kinda cringe

that's what makes me think they actually tested her

[toxic wren]

They do that to every unit though, the showcase is always stronger

[kindred shell]

uh no, in this case we literally had the numbers

[molten oak]

Rh cof cof

[fallen quartz]

Me, SU, hire me as a tester, and I will throw F-word to let them know the message.

[kindred shell]

and the showcase isn't always stronger

[simple dock]

also tester is different from QA

[sullen forum]

they should let us test the unit before they get shipped out

[molten oak]

For real bro they need real testers, professional people

[sullen forum]

we're free testers

just give us a 3 day buffer

[simple dock]

more like a balancing problem

[fallen quartz]

Like I said, I know they have testers, but decide to ignore bugs to push deadline of anniversary

[sullen forum]

[fallen quartz]

testers give opinions, doesn't mean managers would actually follow

[simple dock]

problem is twofold though, not enough testing on the balance of character, and not enough QA on bugs

[deft obsidian]

I don't think they have competent testers

[kindred shell]

they crippled her stack duration so that she was impossible to stack without tove/leona, knocked down her S1 proc rate, gave her abnormally low auto damage... they lowered her damage a lot compared to what was leaked which is a bit of a shame

[fallen quartz]

and they released Cinder under a bad management, and they are fixing her UNDER the same bad management, because replace managers cost time, which they don't have right now

[sullen forum]

you can see the bug as soon as you put the damage on calc

[brave socket]

also at the same time let players decide if the unit is strong enough or not and release changes based on player ideas

[toxic wren]

At least till sbs, I think every showcase before had some tweaks relative to the final result

And everything that I knew myself got nerfed

But I do understand something now that I think about it
Since rem, all theyve done is release powercreeps too so I get why you say that this might've been the power level Cinderella was going for

[sullen forum]

they are doing that anyways

nothing changes

[kindred shell]

Dorothy came out as normal

[tight prism]

no nerfs to cinderella, technically its a buff

winning

[deft obsidian]

Slight nerf

[sullen forum]

they didn't double the 2nd part of burst

[molten oak]

She lost 1%

[kindred shell]

they didn't tweak everything last minute, only some things get tweaked last minute

[sullen forum]

so its a nerf

[deft obsidian]

since charge damage no longer buffs effectively

[fallen quartz]

Cinder was hyped a lot so they must sell her, one way or another

[simple dock]

they have to go for the powercreep route, Solo Raid is the only kind of content that require different units for Veteran players

[tight prism]

oh shitttt was charge dmg buffing it to

[deft obsidian]

Yes

[sand mesa]

They probably weren't intending for the bug and just buffed her to stop potential crying

[kindred shell]

MPriv was notable in that she got tuned significantly down relative to what was LEAKED

[brave socket]

not really? the buff is based on the bug

[toxic wren]

Oh no, I know that not everything was changed

Like Tia Naga were pretty straightforward releases I guess

[deft obsidian]

Because the damage was based on the charge damage scaling of the normal attack

[dusty shuttle]

it's frustrating that it didn't need to be this way

[sand mesa]

When you count how many bugs Cinderella has she was probably not playtested hardly at all

[fallen quartz]

they put a bandaid on the bug
remember? the 'patch fix' few days ago

God, It was so hilarious

[toxic wren]

I'm honestly just surprised that they decided to keep Cinderella like this

[dusty shuttle]

Solo raid's ceiling is 15+ good elemental dps

[deft obsidian]

She had three bugs

[toxic wren]

I 100% expected a potential "nerf"

[deft obsidian]

One which only affected Mirror Container afaik, one which requires units taking damage (which doesn't happen in shooting range), and one that passively buffed damage

[simple dock]

gotta multiply by number of elements too

[dusty shuttle]

hence why I said "elemental"

[toxic wren]

This was the last time they showed damage numbers, right?

[brave socket]

same. But it's true that the anniversary context just doesnt help at all to just remove the bug

[bronze estuary]

Devs fixing her hitting other parts around crosshair and doubling her base dmg to make up for the burst bug? W

[fallen quartz]

I wrote a fix method that SU could actually use, and that still keeps charge dmg relevant, oh I'm not a genius, I learned from debugging games I love.
A game company as big as SU can't comprehend something like learning...

[simple dock]

3 per teams, 5 elements 5 teams, so should be 75 right ?

[deft obsidian]

Aside from anni streams

[elder pier]

Wasnt she bugged on release? Burst didnt scale with atk buffs

[exotic forum]

Inb4 the projectiles now have a new issue

[simple dock]

have you noted that they dont have someone representing the actual programmer on the stream ?

[toxic wren]

They also changed how her S2 worked Vs whale cuz now it doesn't kill the first wave

[kindred shell]

they stopped showing damage numbers after Red Hood