[Cinderella] New Unit Megathread

[gloomy quartz]

I just need to recoup 60 pulls worth of apologems

[bronze estuary]

As long they fix Cindy

[oak cargo]

let me abuse first for mc and fix it later dont fix dont fix

[bronze estuary]

I fear Grave being bugged too 💀

[elder pier]

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/120276932?category=정보&p=1

cindy attacks getting blocked by the landeater projectiles

[tired plinth]

wouldn't be a SU event without bugs

[simple dock]

Grave will be fine

she's just a regular AR user

[trail vigil]

watch her charge gen to party be 2x or something silly

[gloomy quartz]

What bug is next

Need a bug bingo list tbh

Next will be cindy can’t hit modernia core

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-laugh-wide-eyes-gif-3247559636896710102

[tired plinth]

Bug where CB projectlie do double damage

[fallen quartz]

Before Cinder release: Expecting professional discussion about how broken meta she is
After Cinder release: Bug meeting every day, from Monday to Sunday.

[molten oak]

Imma cry

See yaa

[gloomy quartz]

Gaming industry, where beta testers pay you to test your product and don’t expect you to fix anything

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1264928093752135755/1302321117167620096/niminist123_-_1852687054901289322.gif

[simple dock]

Not a bug if you ask me

The projectile is flying not in a straight line and hitting a enemy projectile

[radiant dragon]

so it's kinda confirmed that the bug were present before hotfix ?

[elder pier]

Pretty much

[acoustic field]

@oak cargo

773K clear (well I fullsend Cindy). Piloted by Sin.

[oak cargo]

u let the guy sniped me for 19ml in SR pilot your pp, you are disowned

[acoustic field]

Skill issue?

I mean I admit I have.

You have too, I guess.

[oak cargo]

how dare you

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051619505593393242/1175538840061100102/1696086429571048.gif

[acoustic field]

Crit rate better than charge damage?

Bro I spent 40 rocks trying to convert my 4.69% crit rate to ATK

And ended up swapping it for charge damage.

Mf.

I nerfed her.

On top of wasting rocks.

G G W P.

[oak cargo]

hey

20k ABOVE tistree clear

thats still lowest in SEa now ? @acoustic field

[acoustic field]

No.

Lowest is 768K.

Blame my Cindy CP.

[oak cargo]

b1 rh perma?

[acoustic field]

No? Tistree rotation.

[oak cargo]

so its not so counter-intuative to use sanis burst now i see

[acoustic field]

She breaks the rock faster.

No, but it's not that.

It's with RH buff being too strong.

Apparently, it is just TOO effective for SAnis and Cindy.

[oak cargo]

sighh all and all rh still the best b1 in Stages AND Boss

[acoustic field]

I wonder if its higher for MC AI too

Given the boss has a lot of DEF.

[oak cargo]

why dont u try it and give it a thought

[acoustic field]

Nah I still regret

Wasting rocks to nerf her

I cant move on

Will sleep

I thought charge damage > crit rate.

I now mathed my Crit to give 3.1% damage boost, and charge damage for 1.5% damage boost.

[oak cargo]

i have 2 pieces that 3 slots now where Ammo/Ele slot 3rd and 2nd

still havent decided to go for atk yet, got 1 crit rate there and 1 charge damage

[tidal abyss]

yo ez. rh b1 super op

[acoustic field]

My Helmet is ELE ATK(Black) AMMO, Body is DEF(LEVEL 14) ATK ELE(Black), Gloves is ELE CHARGEDAMAGE(WAS CRITRATE) MAX AMMO, Boots is ELE CRITDAMAGE(Level 14) ATK.

[oak cargo]

credited to global - Kisenix

black ele

fk this dude

away that kv4 def could have been sea lowest clear

[crude oasis]

I thought the same too and while I didn’t nerf her, I stopped at 3 ammo and 1 charge dmg since I considered them to be secondary benefits. Priority was the 4 ele dmg and 4 atk

You’re fine if you got the ele and atk, don’t sweat the charge dmg

[acoustic field]

Not the atk

I spent like 50+ to try to change it to atk

Gave up

2nd line issues

[acoustic field]

The problem is me wasting 50 rocks and end up swapping it for Charge Damage.

[crude oasis]

In the quest for ATK though

Unless you were locking charge damage

Atk was just elusive, it happens 💀

[acoustic field]

I did the math and found out that:

• Charge Damage 9% gives 1.35% damage boost, but this can scale with Dolls, Full Burst, and Core.
• Crit Rate 4.69% @ 67% Crit Damage gives 3.12% damage boost. But unlike Charge Damage, this value gets diluted instead by Full Burst and Core Hits.

I mathed the first one wrongly.

Back then.

And I put 1.5% instead of 1.35%.

[crude oasis]

So basically, if you don’t have all the advantages, it’s a clear loss. If you have all the advantages that scale it, it’s less of a loss

Would Cinderella find herself in a crit rate/dmg team though?

[acoustic field]

At most the Charge Damage gives 2.21% damage boost during Full Burst, since no damage distance. If there is core, this becomes 3.7% fortunately.

I kinda forgot RL doesn't have damage distance.

That's my oversight.

[crude oasis]

What about the full charge bug boosting Cinderella’s damage?

[acoustic field]

Assumed a feature.

Maybe?

[crude oasis]

I mean is it part of those calculations

[acoustic field]

I forgot.

[crude oasis]

1.35% dmg boost is including this bug/feature?

[acoustic field]

Idk Raon said her basic attacks is 30% of her damage.

Oh wait

Skill 1 is half of the damage

Damn son

Yeah bricked

[crude oasis]

Greek to me, what happened?

[oak cargo]

do you guys usually mention how much % of a nikke damage in manual attack and in skill etc @acoustic field ? on your guide

[acoustic field]

Rarely

If Gatrix answers my question

[acoustic field]

Its not 1.35%

Its way less

0.45%

Cus

[crude oasis]

💀

[acoustic field]

Most of the damage is from Skill 1

Which doesnt care with chatge

[crude oasis]

I guess I’ll want to reroll charge damage in the future then since it’s that bad

I’ll wait to see if they even fix it, surely we’ll know by next major version update

Or before Solo Raid reinstatement

Between crit rate and crit dmg, I’m guessing crit rate is better choice

[oak cargo]

tier when kinda slow here @acoustic field u guys already know how much the fix

[acoustic field]

218 407

228

64.22

136.6

Yeah im totally fucked

The 9% only affects the basic attack, exclude S1.

I am only getting 9000 damage per shot as a bonus.

[crude oasis]

Doesn’t it also increase damage of Cinderella’s burst? But wait

That’s every 40s

[acoustic field]

While crit rate would give me 4.69% × 67% = 215K + 420K + Burst Damage

[crude oasis]

💀

I didn’t mean to make you feel worse about your 50+ rocks

[acoustic field]

No even on basic attacks im bricked already

[crude oasis]

If it’s any consolation, I think there might be others that fell prey to this

[acoustic field]

Now, I have 218K + 407K, and the other can be deemed 215K + 420K. Mine does not affect Burst Damage. The other still affects Burst Damage.

[crude oasis]

Because I know there’s a posted suggestion that says crit rate = charge damage > crit dmg

For Cinderella OLs

Like this one that says it’s acceptable to have 1-3 charge damage #1299716154125713549 message

[acoustic field]

No.

Snake fixed it.

In Prydwen's draft.

Kinda bricked ngl.

[elder pier]

its not too bad, just get 50 more rocks

[crude oasis]

8 days of Kraken, trust

I think I average 3 rocks a day

[elder pier]

simply roll triple rocks in every run for 5 days straight

[crude oasis]

So probably 17 days to get 50. RIP

Shorter if Full Burst event

How about ammo situation?

Would I be much better off if I got 1 ammo 3 crit rate, over 3 ammo 1 crit rate?

[acoustic field]

In Full Burst, it will be 327K + 610.5K for me. And the other is 321K + 623K. Crit rate is still better.

[strange quiver]

They have to do that or else maincord people will riot

[lavish bridge]

it was already there before the auto attack fix was out

kira found out

we just didnt tell anyone

[lavish bridge]

1 ammo 3 crits require minmaxing manual

3 ammo 1 crit rate is chillax auto play

[toxic wren]

@old forge

I am
Sorry

Can you resend the two videos

Lmao

?

[toxic wren]

Charge damage is
Good right now

It buffs your bug

[frail crow]

Do I reset S2 to lvl 4? I have seen something about it not giving anything significant

[mortal canopy]

is cinderella "best in the game" or at least like top 3 anywhere

in terms of value

[oak cargo]

just leave it

[oak cargo]

Cindy
sometime she randomly destroy the slipper with her full charge shot flying around and hit slipper by chance (projectile), small chance to get free sliper
sometime her projectile again help with flying crystals/ice improve team survivability without healer

the projectile flying in curve come clutch many times

im like 20ed short pls no fix bug or whatever helping me og

i can lowball the current Mc in chapter32 if i get that ed

or atk to help me destroy the head

[rugged lake]

@fluid bone managed to replace the chest 3rd line ammo with third line ED. Time to go for high roll % then lock and roll?

[oak cargo]

they look dogshieeet

[fluid bone]

naise, yeah you can either reroll % now or after

[granite cairn]

Is Cindy BIS over Crown-Liter-Naga-Modernia-RH?

[oak cargo]

@maiden thicket how much HP your cindy has at the beginning of AI MC ?

[rugged lake]

Maybe it's better to lock and roll for a second good line then reroll % together?

[fluid bone]

it's kinda rng tbh

sometimes you get a nice line 1/2 that's black/blue sometimes it's some dog ass level 1

that's why I said you can do either now or after

[rugged lake]

Makes sense

[maiden thicket]

I didntcheck

[oak cargo]

Just want to compare the based hp

[rugged lake]

@fluid bone between 4 ED 0 atk and 3 ED 1 atk, what's better for Cindy?

[fluid bone]

4 ele because atm I don't see cindy seeing much use in neutral fights

[rugged lake]

So she's not super meta like SBS and RH?

[molten oak]

SBS out of raids is kek

[rugged lake]

Also, seeing as she's a defender, are atk lines less valuable?

[toxic wren]

Umm

Not so sure about that

Team 5 is free

You see Asuka Rei mod and anis ein Exia being used

No we'll see Cindy s.ans Ein/exia being used

Cuz they're better than asuka Rei mod

Cuz Cindy is a super dps

[molten oak]

Cindy+EIN+Sanis+rouge easy p5

[toxic wren]

It depends if atk is on line 2 or not

[molten oak]

neutral

[toxic wren]

Imagine you have 4 ele on line1

And then you reroll and get an ATK on line 2

You take that atk, lock it, and then reroll for ele again

Otherwise keep the ele

[molten oak]

idk if Exia Ein Sanis is better than cindy sanis rouge

[fluid bone]

yeah but that' s the only place you use her neutral and honestly I would prefer 4 ele > 3 ele 1 atk

[toxic wren]

It isn't lmao

[molten oak]

Neutral

[oak cargo]

@toxic wren Rerolling advice pls https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1299716154125713549/1302392345030955008/image.png?ex=6727f2e4&is=6726a164&hm=3e0f84e7838bdbb07d4c52d707e9302c6e9f2764fda75fcd1bd03676e2e72302&

[toxic wren]

It depends on the line

Its an overall improvement if it's a line 2 atk

[molten oak]

Fix this after solo raid momo xD

Well maybe you wanna try to build Grave too

Idk if atk makes a big difference against neutral

[oak cargo]

Grave has nothing left for her

[molten oak]

[fluid bone]

honestly for cinderella caster attack from support nikkes is better than her own attack stat OL

[molten oak]

I know xD

[molten oak]

Damn good rolls

Just need gamble %

[rugged lake]

Idk if I want to reroll gloves and boots if atk isn't amazing for her

[hallow orbit]

She hits pretty hard off ele; on electric weak/vs off. Hits harder than my SBS tbh

[radiant dragon]

which team you using ?

[molten oak]

Almost X2 in ele

No wait, is more than x2

[oak cargo]

Cindy rouge ein crown sanis

Ein has better ol than sanis so i need to run this team

Cant run shino comp

[hallow orbit]

Did kraken to test off ele, probably not smart since she takes extra damage

[molten oak]

1b makes my alice

[oak cargo]

For Kraken Xlud>Cinderella

[molten oak]

Xlud debuff is wild

In some raids didn't change the DMG using xlud or Maxwell as flex b3 no burst

[oak cargo]

So good we might get a better one this winter

[molten oak]

[rugged lake]

Is cindy better than Alice there?

[fluid bone]

ehhh no

[elder pier]

alice way better

[fluid bone]

alice would have done roughly the same but SBS does more DPS

[elder pier]

she buffing sbs

[hallow orbit]

Nah just testing Cindy, I usually run Alice but I’m not a great at manual Alice. She outdoes my Alice by a lot but sbs damage dips.

[molten oak]

1b not hitting the core for half battle is wild

[sand trellis]

Can you show your scarlet lines? I need to improve mine. My scarlet only does about half that

[oak cargo]

you dont want cindy to randomly die there

not comfy for daily

[fluid bone]

the answer to all AI DPS you need 4 ele lines

[hallow orbit]

I need more attack so might work on her next wind raid

[sand trellis]

tyty

so at least 120% ammo, then ele damage

[fluid bone]

you only require 1 ammo line for SBS

[oak cargo]

your sbs has better ol than mine, but they almost technically look the same

end build 8-10/12 cindy can topple xlud 10/12 here if willing to take electric disadvantage risk

[sand trellis]

so expensive spend 15 rocks and not one ele dam

good lore for what I need to do on her next though so she's competitive

and it'll reap rewards if I can just auto 6

[granite cairn]

Is this the meta right now? I use Crown-Liter-Naga-Modernia/Alice-Red Hood

[oak cargo]

This is for pure comfy meta, comfy

My rh doesnt give me that

And this is at sync400, lower down is a wild world

[granite cairn]

This is my current setup. Had no idea Scar BS was so strong, but I haven't checked info in this game in a very long time

[oak cargo]

Good time to start building her

Im guess u are at electric weak stages chapters

Her i mean cindy

U still gonna prioritize sbs first

[granite cairn]

Haven't pulled Cindy but have SBS

[oak cargo]

Ok pull cindy

https://tenor.com/view/pull-gacha-mobile-game-kermit-gif-8751144

[worn narwhal]

when people say like 2 max ammo 4 crit 2 dmg etc

does that mean just have those in total over all 4 pieces of gear on a character?

[stoic storm]

Yeah that's what to aim for across all four pieces of gear

[worn narwhal]

oh ok

[stoic storm]

But realistically they're all good

[worn narwhal]

how do people even do this bro

[stoic storm]

It's the ideal

[worn narwhal]

I get like 1 crystal every two days because my luck is trash in interception

[stoic storm]

Most people do the crystal interception

[worn narwhal]

?

wdym crystal interception

[sand mesa]

Kraken

[stoic storm]

Have you unlocked the third interception?

[worn narwhal]

how do I do kraken

[worn narwhal]

i do special ex

train chatter mod etc

[stoic storm]

Yeah crystals are more common in the next level up

[worn narwhal]

😢

time to grind campaign

[stoic storm]

If you've unlocked it you should do it, even if you die immediately it's better drops than fully clearing special intercept

[worn narwhal]

yeah imma go do campaign to unlock it

thx

[stoic storm]

But also don't take the recommendations as gospel.

If it says 2 max ammo 4 ele, 4 atk, all that really means is Ele >=ATK>max ammo

E.g. I've got 3 max ammo, 1 ele, and 3 ATK right now on Cinderella and I'm calling it there

[worn narwhal]

because thats good enough, and you dont wanna burn through rocks?

[stoic storm]

More ele would be marginally better but I'm not rerolling a max ammo & ATK gear just to get some elemental damage

[worn narwhal]

ok

[stoic storm]

It's more about not having a piece with all garbage lines (HP, def, crit)

[worn narwhal]

so I shouldnt really go for all 3 slots on a piece of gear, just 2 slots with good buffs is fine

[stoic storm]

My general rule I follow, unless they're a character I want to explicitly invest more in (Asuka my beloved):

• Reroll until ATK, Elemental, or Max Ammo line appears.

• If that line is 2nd or 3rd, lock it and reroll until 1st is one of the above

-If it was the 1st line, call it there, 2nd and 3rd way too expensive to reroll for.

Some characters have other good lines (e.g. Alice wants Charge Speed) and some don't want max ammo (e.g. Grave probably doesn't care about it as she has unlimited ammo during full burst)

But that's my general crystal rule for DPS

[worn narwhal]

ok

imma ss that

[stoic storm]

Support? Don't even level the gear unless you're taking them to campaign and need the CP tbh.

Well, some supports want one max ammo line just so e.g. their "buff every 8 attacks" isn't suffering from a default ammo of 6

[worn narwhal]

thank you

[maiden thicket]

do you still want to know the HP scale @oak cargo

[oak cargo]

yes pls

[rain path]

just chilling and cindy goes brrrr

[maiden thicket]

No burst or anything

[oak cargo]

thanks

[rain path]

Jesus

[oak cargo]

@molten oak the recycle difference not that big, mostly doll and core

75k~each from crore and 300k from sr15doll

[exotic forum]

welp...

ig 3 ele is my hard limit for cindy

bc I ain't throwing rocks into that thing for an ele

[crude oasis]

Line 1 lock is brutal

[exotic forum]

I still need 3 more ele, from line 1 of my other pieces

if I can do that, I'll be 3 ele 3 atk 2 ammo + any random 3 lines I get during that process

good enough

if I throw that much invest into her she'll prob be used in non electric-weak most of the time as raw dmg

so the atk would be more useful

btw

she's in an interesting situation with ammo rn

before the burst bug got known, you wanna reload off-burst

but that often means you're not shooting during her actual b3, esp as the fight goes on

but if you wanna abuse the burst bug, you actually wanna have her reload mid-burst...?

[hoary valve]

Is 3 ele 2 attack 1 ma good enough I want to stop rolling

And a few crit and charge damage

[oak cargo]

try using your electric comp in MC AI

if u reach s7 then its good enough

as a small metric

[exotic forum]

not too stressed over reaching that for non-kraken

I only do them to get a specific piece anyway

[copper ice]

Maybe give up on the attack

[dusky niche]

thinking of Cindy, Rogue, Ein, S.Anis, Blanc for non-elec-weakness SR
Blanc is there because I can't reset her due to Arena

[exotic forum]

might need to swap out ein for an ele, since you only got electric and wind coverage

so most of the time need a flex unit of fire/water/iron

[dusky niche]

oh yeah it can only be used in wind-weakness SR

Blanc or Ein needs to be swapped out

[exotic forum]

blanc could be swapped out for crown, but are you really gonna use crown with electric comp when boss isn't electric-weak

it'll prob have to be ein

grave would be a waste

mari is a waste and electric anyway

srosa won't change anything

rem cope maybe for water-weak

[dusky niche]

[exotic forum]

maybe ein for 2b if fire-weak

it's a pretty flexible comp anyway, should be solid as a 4 man, so got options for the flex

[primal inlet]

Anyone using cinderella in campaign and finding out she's actually kind of garbage for killing boss on last rotation?

[oak cargo]

She is garbage there agree

saw this in maincord thread crit meta like for 2b?

[fallen quartz]

Cinder!!

[fallen quartz]

Crit dmg benefits MaxHP attacker, than atk. But atk is more stable and reliable, because you know, crit chance is a thing.

Just accept when you get atk or crit rate, don't think too much about it, but if you aim for crit, 3 lines minimum for less RNG.

Critical chance cap at 7% (black line)

[oak cargo]

That makes life easier then

[toxic wren]

Crit is still shit on Cinderella

But you have 3 slots to fill if u want 12 lines

That can be ammo or criy

Crit

Currently charge damage is the best

[fallen quartz]

Depending on what you are comfortable with, atk/charge dmg/crit chance

[oak cargo]

Bruh

What do i do here then

[fallen quartz]

Like I said, if you commit to critical rate, you need at least 3 lines to worth something.

If you don't like it, pick atk or charge dmg.

[oak cargo]

I have trouble breaking MC head before phase swap

Thinking im lacking atk for some reason

[strange quiver]

Does grave help Cindy in any aspect or nah?

[strange quiver]

Is this for cindy

[oak cargo]

Yes

[fluid bone]

ele should be at the top of that list

[strange quiver]

Which thread is that

[toxic wren]

Leave it for now but lock 1/2 for attack is prolly the play?

[fluid bone]

ehh too expensive if you do that

this is where ammo line 3 is a curse for cinderella

[fallen quartz]

He already have ele and ammo

[fluid bone]

it's good but not when all your god dam pieces have line 3 ammo

[fallen quartz]

but he is choosing between last OL stats to boost the dmg

either charge dmg, atk or crit

[fluid bone]

I'm talking about this #1299716154125713549 message

[fallen quartz]

yes, that a bad way to write it

[copper ice]

i disagree here, she can be situational depending on boss's position. Close up, definitely can do. But far away, nah.

i have done it on chapter 28 hard

[oak cargo]

no i meaned just the stages

[toxic wren]

Hmm? He was talking about campaign

[oak cargo]

oh

[copper ice]

stage boss

[oak cargo]

no still not good to me

[toxic wren]

That's snowwhite tier

If the job is to take care of the boss or tanky raptures

Then it's snowwhite tier

I agree with you here that she can situationally work well

[copper ice]

like that annoying jellyfish

[oak cargo]

she overkilled little mobs

that nuke is more boss friendly

[toxic wren]

Just reset until she overkill on big mobs cuz it's rng

[oak cargo]

i might have c33 and c34 openning next upcoming days

gonna use cindy in wind weak

maybe grave

[copper ice]

[oak cargo]

I already know sbs alice is roaming those places, but they are good place to try out new and neutral units

[maiden thicket]

[molten oak]

[toxic wren]

using this vid, tx

[exotic forum]

[shrewd bloom]

I used Cindy while I was pushing hard 23, 30% deficits felt quite easy and her decoy thing came in clutch more than once haha

[delicate talon]

is going lvl 7 for cinderella's S2 enough?

not sure how much of an impact the scaling is going to 10

[green verge]

Lv4 is probably more than enough

[fallen quartz]

Will prydwen push out a preview? or after Cinder's bugs are gone?

[toxic wren]

today maybe

sarcasm

[exotic forum]

She would lose if they had sustain

[fallen quartz]

Oh, nice, I thought you guys would wait for the next patch when Cinder's get bug-free... but then again, will she be bug-free?

[exotic forum]

Also I lose if I didn't Noah biscuit their sbs

[fallen quartz]

dude, Halloween was two days ago, you are just drunk

My country have no Halloween, it's not a thing here.

So at least you had fun

[strange quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/cinderella-nikke-poggers-doodle-waifu-gif-7332246470011976791

[fallen quartz]

@acoustic field so I only know I can access the module... after clearing all current mini-game content, meaning I have been solo so far without the module...

Am I a pro gamer or a dumbass?

[deft obsidian]

Did the same on one account

Got confused why I wasn't invulnerable while dashing

[fallen quartz]

The game doesn't explain clearly how to get module upgrade

I mean, to be honest, they should seel an item that unlock module function

and then when player enter Stat Upgrade, they can expand the slots.

Because stats upgrade does as name imply, upgrade things that mini Cinder's already have.

[deft obsidian]

Well it's a normal system in other games of the Metroidvania genre. Just the way the menus is set up is more simplistic than I'm used to

All of the inventory system is under Esc and not an inventory button

although why in this thread?

[acoustic field]

the latter

[toxic wren]

pro gamer

[fallen quartz]

[fallen quartz]

Yeah, sometimes too simplify bury the point of it.

[brazen violet]

how does this work?

does that mean cindy deal 680% of final atk 10 times?

[toxic wren]

Yes

[elder pier]

No

[brazen violet]

ok?

[toxic wren]

Are you going to say 682.96% of final

Atk

[elder pier]

Yes

[brazen violet]

so total damage is 6800% of final ATK?

[toxic wren]

Yes

~

[brazen violet]

bruh

even without the bug that shit seems cracked

[toxic wren]

It's actually more cuz there'd additional damage too which hits 120 times

[toxic wren]

It is

But the bug makes it 2×

[brazen violet]

nearly 14000%

[frail crow]

Wait I was supposed to equip them??...

https://tenor.com/view/sxv-wtf-gif-23560064

[fallen quartz]

Yes, each cost a number of... slot, whatever they are called.

you can expand more slots by upgrade Module

[deep wasp]

Are you guys going to keep using rocks on Cindy until y'all finally have 4x elem dmg, 4x atk, 1-2x ammo?

[stoic storm]

Honestly I feel like it's probably more rock efficient to abandon & reroll a good line 1 until you get a good line 2 or 3 if that's your end goal

I assume someone has done the math?

[deft obsidian]

If they're seriously waiting until version update to fix her, then it's totally worthwhile to do it

Well, really only worthwhile to roll until you can S7 MC

[stoic storm]

I've called it at 1x Elem, 3x ATK, 3x Ammo

Sometimes good enough is good enough, I gotta save rocks for Grave

[simple dock]

why are you saving rock for a support unit though ?

just 4 is enough, take whatever you get

[rugged lake]

How does the decoy work?

[brazen violet]

to be fair

[torn raven]

AFAIK its like a one person shield that provides buffs to Cindy that has its own health pool

[brazen violet]

graves is also sub DPS

[molten oak]

She's sub DPS, X4 ele is good for her

[brazen violet]

she has basically asuka burst

but no increased hit rate iirc

but unlimited ammo

[rugged lake]

Does it count towards her max hp pool?

And is there an indication of the decoy on screen somewhere?

[deft obsidian]

Nope

It's the same mechanic as Rei/Delta

If it counted towards max hp, it could be used to infinitely scale the decoy's HP every burst

[brazen violet]

rouge seems to be the best B1 for cindy

[deft obsidian]

Without a doubt

[molten oak]

10/10/10 rouge

[brazen violet]

i missed rouge

[molten oak]

Use liter then

[brazen violet]

so i have no choice but to try my luck

[molten oak]

Liter is the second best for cindy

[brazen violet]

great

and liter is easier to get now

[molten oak]

Yeah

The new "pity" system is perfect for new players

Those units are all SSS in their category

[simple dock]

new players have so much support now it's crazy

compare to 2 years ago

[wheat vault]

all of em off rates lul

[tired sequoia]

How much of a doll priority is Cinderella compared to sAnis (SR10), eScarlet (SR5), and bSoda (SR5)? Do I shift focus to Cindy (and Grave?) or finish these 3 first?

[brazen violet]

she is a defender

so she needs more buff than an attacker

[simple dock]

both grave and cindy benefit greatly from dolls

cuz they are not attackers

[tired sequoia]

Duly noted. Thank you both for your time!

[spiral depot]

What is cindy bis team? Rouge crown cindy .. naga?

[deft obsidian]

I haven't tested Naga on my main account, but Cindy/Rouge/Ein/Crown/S Anis is a free S7 for my main account

My alt should be able to get S6 if I can get one more ele roll... she always fails to OHKO a slipper due to burst timing not being aligned

[topaz rampart]

i use second one got highest shooting range score

manybe is becuz cindy have bad aiming

[brazen violet]

thats a bug iirc

[topaz rampart]

i know

[deft obsidian]

Rather than a bug, it's a design flaw

Aiming issue isn't a problem vs MC, thankfully

[north sand]

is cindy good in pvp?

[wooden nova]

How much hp does cindy need

[deft obsidian]

She's definitely being used a lot, but so far, people using her have actually made my life easier in PvP

[maiden thicket]

@toxic wren What's the lowest clear on 34-38H now

[toxic wren]

I don't know I haven't pushed anywhere yet
I know it's clearable at 501 sync, not sure if anyone's done it below 501

We need to wait for nalaniko to clear it

To know answer

It will take months for him to do it

[maiden thicket]

I just cleared on this, lowest on SEA at the moment

[toxic wren]

Oh u beat cento?
I think global is around 1.1b

[maiden thicket]

everyone was almost die at QTE tho

[heavy scaffold]

lowest jp is 501 but he has over 521 lv cp

[maiden thicket]

53% ele on Cindy

[wooden nova]

How much hp?

[wooden nova]

wow

How do you even get to level 500??

[copper ice]

Whale

[wooden nova]

💳?

damn

[maiden thicket]

[wooden nova]

How much

Estimated

[maiden thicket]

i dont rmb, it has been 2 years

[wooden nova]

Is 1.5M hp on cindy (no oL) good for now

[maiden thicket]

what sync lv are you

are you new to the game ?

[toxic wren]

It isn't even that much

Day 1 F2p are 461+ already

[wooden nova]

Hm.

[wooden nova]

250

Mb didnt see

[wooden nova]

Not really

Been playing for uhh a year and a half something

[maiden thicket]

seem like you were slacking

[deft obsidian]

Yeah, my minnow alt that started in March 2023 turned sync 400 today and I slack some on it

I have a friend who started last November who's hit 300 (F2P)

[tight prism]

wait is vigor really not a good cube for ciderella?

does it not scale enough

[deft obsidian]

Even if it did, I think most people have it at a much lower level than Resi/Bastion

[tight prism]

my resi/bastion cubes are only 1 above vigor since im new

[deft obsidian]

Gotcha

I'm not sure then

[heavy scaffold]

gacha

[molten oak]

I started around middle April 2023 and I'm 415 rn

[topaz rampart]

you giving me pressure

[coral flume]

me

i have like 2-3 levels in boxes atm too

[bronze estuary]

Wtf did i miss then i'm 351 only

[coral flume]

did u push normal/hard fast?

[bronze estuary]

Well 360+ if i use my cores and without using the data to core convert feature

[bronze estuary]

Still haven't done hard story and i'm around chap 24 on normal due to laziness

[coral flume]

thers ur problem

a few coredust an hour adds up when its over 2 years

[bronze estuary]

Tf

[molten oak]

+event shop

[bronze estuary]

Well time to push then

[coral flume]

iirc my outpost is at like over 80/h

[willow sierra]

Im at 416 and i was stuck at 160 for like an year

[molten oak]

Outpost 81/h rn

Push is always important

[bronze estuary]

Guess i'll never recover from that even if i do everything

[shrewd bloom]

I don't even have a year and I am almost 350 too

[molten oak]

I touched 341 after the year

Smh whel

[wheat vault]

nikke is brutal when it comes to that

taking a break for 4 weeks can “brick” your account

getting a 1 year ban for cheating? might as well call it permanent

[coral flume]

tbf a 1 year ban from any game i consider permanent

[maiden thicket]

Wdym

[topaz rampart]

ㄍwe are same lvl, and im still not clear boss yet

[maiden thicket]

Get more ele on Cindy I think

[pliant plover]

quite the understatement lol. if he is only at 24 normal he probably gets 15-20 less then you in an hour

I am at 70/h right now and stuck at 19-16 with lvl 307

[sand trellis]

you know how they could fix cindy

Just give her lasers pierce

[quick needle]

62/h 380

[sand trellis]

she'll pierce to core every time, terrain won't stop her

[exotic forum]

it would be really weird pierce if her trajectory is the same

[sand trellis]

and it's lore accurate

[exotic forum]

gonna pierce the unit to the side of main target instead of ones right behind the main target

[sand trellis]

Okay so this is the other idea I had

Just straighten the lasers on the backend

and leave the curved graphic

she becomes a pinpoint RL like all the others with a cool curved graphic

[pliant plover]

that was my idea from when we learned she is a rl , would make her work with grave as well then

[simple dock]

the curves give them all the problems

have to taken into account the environment props

[sand trellis]

secret idea #3

do both

[simple dock]

so your idea would looks weird

[sand trellis]

Pierce + straighten the laser

[simple dock]

when the projectiles just pass through the props

[sand trellis]

environment no longer a problem, lasers hit the core

remains lore accurate, works with grave

[simple dock]

she doesn't synergies with Grave

[sand trellis]

if she had pierce she would

[simple dock]

i mean it's kinda weird given their relationship in lore

but again, tons of squad are like that

[sand trellis]

I'm wondering how many dupes grave needs

[simple dock]

none

[sand trellis]

I think she's just a single puller since nothing is based on her stats

yeah

[simple dock]

i have never seen a unit that's worth exactly 1 copy like grave

[sand trellis]

base stats do absolutely nothing for her

[simple dock]

well it does boost her own atk, and she does respectable dmg too

but not worth your pulls or mileage tbh

[sand trellis]

yeah but it's like a 6% boost

for her as a supporter

[pliant plover]

mlb for the lobby

I have 800 mileage reserved for her and will still have enough to c7 cindy on her final day

[fallen quartz]

there, I fixed her review.

[fallen quartz]

Wait, she only need 1 Max ammo?

who say she need at least 2...

[oak cargo]

Who said that how dare u

[fallen quartz]

Prydwen

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/guide-cinderella

[oak cargo]

Its tthe same on the pin no?

[fallen quartz]

The pin is early opinion, usually the same but can be changed

anyway, she waste 30 ammo during burst, which one line is more than enough

[oak cargo]

U can have 2-3 no big deal

Ii said that because

I got 3 ammo

[fallen quartz]

2 is more comfort on auto

[oak cargo]

[fallen quartz]

mine have max 60 ammo xD

30 plus bastion

she get 40 btw

[oak cargo]

Im also resilience also so ammo useless more

Need resilience cuz more ele on it

look at this cindy power

die but projectile still kill

no bad pic

clutch

[fallen quartz]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1302207584102645760

niche bug

[dusky niche]

yeah but, I see no reason to put her in the back row
esp with rogue, she should be always in the front row

[fallen quartz]

Better fix the bug before release a solo raid feature those bosses

[crude oasis]

It's luck RNG, but personally unless it was blue/black ele dmg or black atk on a character that thirsts for atk, I'd be willing to abandon for full reroll if these came up on line 1 with nothing good on lines 2 & 3.

As for blue atk on a character that thirsts for atk, I'd be in a dilemma and consult a fortune teller or something.

In the screenshot's case, it's blue atk + empty line 2 + 22% max ammo on Cinderella.

I'd abandon this in favor of full reroll. Just because ele dmg is most important and this doesn't have it, and because Cinderella isn't that hungry for atk lines.

[stone urchin]

what cube does cindy use

HP cube?

[crude oasis]

Resilience/Bastion as usual

If the team boosts reload speed, Resilience. If it doesn't, then Bastion

[stone urchin]

is there any character buff reload speed except privaty

[crude oasis]

And if Bastion seems to be giving you reload timing headaches, then I guess you try something else to avoid that problem, probably just sticking Resilience on her

[crude oasis]

Crown

[stone urchin]

oh

[fast kettle]

SAnis

[weary cedar]

Admi

[coral flume]

because crown resets her charge every reload im pretty sure bastion should be better than resil but most of our resil r higher level

basically her charge time adds a fixed 1s downtime to every reload lowered by charge speed instead of reload speed

[crude oasis]

Yes, and actually Resilience is just a default cube to throw onto characters at this point

[crude oasis]

Even with this disadvantage gutting the full potential of Resilience cube, might as well

[waxen cedar]

Not worth to keep the slot 3 right?

[zinc haven]

Why not?

[wooden roost]

this is pretty much BIS piece wdym lol

just reroll values

[hoary valve]

Besides rolling values, good enough to stop?

[maiden thicket]

Rock doko

[crude oasis]

To decide when it's good enough to stop, basically follow this rule of thumb for ele and atk:
100%+ ele, 45%+ atk = goddess, do not try chasing for this because you might spend 500+ rocks, etc
80%+ ele, 30%+ atk = very good
40%+ ele, 15%+ atk = good
20%+ ele, 7.5%+ atk = okay
0%+ ele, 0%+ atk = meh or the unit doesn't want these for some reason.

You have 53% ele, 30% atk, 60% ammo, 4.35% crit rate, 8.29% charge damage, 2.28% charge speed.

You're good to stop if you want (Btw, charge speed is almost worthless on Cinderella)

[oak cargo]

no need another element 2nd right pic to be good

[crude oasis]

Strange, I don't see this anymore in your 4 screenshots You rerolled it away?

Oh

Different people, ignore my question

[crude oasis]

Today, I got 0 rocks except pity

[lime valve]

Thanks for this

[molten oak]

I did ultra today

need a lot of helmets

[topaz rampart]

LOL.

[stone urchin]

Why are people using SBS in Cindy team

what do they have in common?

SBS is wind and Cindy is electric

[modest nest]

bro

they share the biggest common trait

RL

[topaz rampart]

for higher power? like me yesterday pushing hard 34

[elder pier]

they're both nikkes

[fluid bone]

they both got a gacha skin this update

[exotic forum]

I just got my 2nd cindy from free daily pull

not my 2nd copy, the second time I've gotten cindy from free daily pull

wtf

lb2 already, only pulled for 1 copy, 0 from mileage, 2 from daily pull

maybe the gods are telling me to c7

[fluid bone]

https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-aurora-get-this-man-a-ban-gif-25968972

[exotic forum]

is this what I get for getting my hopes dashed and being so disappointing in a pilgrim

maybe I should doompost more often

[oak cargo]

cinderella burst can crit right?

[stone urchin]

No. That is just copium for your ability to regconize good DPS

[fluid bone]

yes it's why crit works for her

[exotic forum]

maybe my expectations were just too high

well either way ig it worked out

now watch SU gut cindy, so that I end up with a pretty mid pilgrim

[fluid bone]

pretty much 2B v2 but shittier conversion buff

[oak cargo]

just casually crit for extra 100ml in mc

[stone urchin]

If this cindy is already expectaction too high

how much dmg are you expecting her to have

double the dmg?

[fluid bone]

burst and you win

[stone urchin]

even without the bug she is already close to the top

[stone urchin]

that will never happen in this game

content wil ljust get harder with more CP

1 button win may work in offline games

but gatcha probable not

[fluid bone]

idk why you're giving me a serious answer while I'm trolling but okay

[stone urchin]

I don't think you doompost cindy before were trolling

[exotic forum]

wasn't really dmg

but more usability

was expecting a omni burster with more than 1 role

like rh being buffer and dps roles

good enough dmg in a good enough way to have a solid campaign spot would be nice too

[stone urchin]

are you using RH and not using her b3?

[exotic forum]

but eh, didn't happen either

I use rh both as buffer and as dps, depending on situation

although mostly dps these days

[stone urchin]

when was the last time you use her as buffer and where

solo raid? union raid?

what was the score

[exotic forum]

prob a few chapters back when I had to run crown/rh/alice/mod/naga

[stone urchin]

oh story content then

then it is ok

but forraid I don't think you should

I think RH omni burst is like a QOL

for people lacking units

and pilgrim tower

[fluid bone]

I don't think you paid attention to last SR then

top leaderboards used her as B1

[stone urchin]

oh real

last was landeater right

current SR is closed

which is behe

[fluid bone]

landeater yeah

behemoth doesn't count cause no challenge mode

until it reruns

[stone urchin]

I don't think there is RH b1 team

rip behe

I wanted to try the electric team

just got rogue and eins

[fluid bone]

it's literally the second one on that list

[exotic forum]

honestly

even as pure dps

I still think rh has more value

pierce + great gen

rh will definitely still be used more in neutral story than cindy

cindy's projectiles are just dumb

stupid mechanic

[stone urchin]

my cindy is outdmg RH in story

I have way more invested in RH too

may be it is the doll gap

RH doll is SR10 but cindy I got lucky with double upgrade to 15

[oak cargo]

why u have rh as dps in story

[fluid bone]

I threw out RH for chapter 32 progression

asuka+alice+dkw was better

[oak cargo]

smallwindz

[exotic forum]

dmg numbers doesn't mean easier clears though, that was sbs issue as well

[stone urchin]

speakingof RH

[exotic forum]

being able to kill priority targets is something that cindy and sbs can't do

[stone urchin]

anyone else can't seee anything when she burst?

[exotic forum]

that reduces their value a lot imo

[stone urchin]

anyway to change her burst mode so it is easier to see?

[exotic forum]

not that I know of

they tried to change it a bit ago, made it blurry as hell, unusable

then reverted it

make sure 0 screen shake

I also turn off bloom, otherwise crown blinds me

other than that I got no issues

I know ppl that just swap off rh when she's bursting if the reticle bothers you

shouldn't make much of a diff

[stone urchin]

I tried to swap off RH

which is what I often do

but it mess up the line up for pierce shot

[exotic forum]

no other solutions that I know of

[brazen violet]

Reviews are up?

Wait

Did they fixed the double damage bug?

[fluid bone]

no nothing yet

[molten oak]

Everybody waiting for SU final words

[maiden thicket]

[molten oak]

Next "update" will be Grave's banner, right?

[stoic storm]

And story 2 for event

[molten oak]

[fallen quartz]

No, in the tier list section, you can read notifications. The rating in review is for the current situation of Cinder, it can be changed depending on future patch fixes.

[oak cargo]

they debating if cindy SS-SSS high decifit

[brazen violet]

Cindy is S from what i seen in the article in high deficit

[fallen quartz]

Yup, SBS is slightly better as she can one shot two raptures, which reduce numbers of them, thus more dps, also she sync with one of highest usage nikke Alice.

Though don't let it discourage you in using Cinder for campaign, paired with SAnis, she does more dmg.

[exotic forum]

ma I'm famous, I made it onto a prydwen guide

[fallen quartz]

Bug video section? or pvp?

[exotic forum]

[fallen quartz]

Nice

[fallen quartz]

If SU make Cindy's beams behave like regular rocket launcher NIKKE, it will boost her dmg in mobbing better.

[exotic forum]

btw @toxic wren , no biscuit is used in leo/munch's vid, just raw decoy tank

[fallen quartz]

Not sure that can break in SS tier, but at least that better

[exotic forum]

[fallen quartz]

Biscuit cheering in the background, you are blind

[toxic wren]

I forgot to change the caption lol

[fallen quartz]

I just tries Cinder (max skills, two ele lines, max dolls) in MC's AI... WTF ARE THOSE DMG?!"

Bruh, I knew she was stonk but the dps is really ridiculous.

[waxen cedar]

Mirror oh Mirror, who is the buggiest unit of all?

[fallen quartz]

Tbh, if after bug fix, Cinder deal dmg equal to SBS or just slightly lower, that will be in a bossing's meta zone anyway

SBS dmg is absurd, so I don't mind that.

[heavy scaffold]

they need to renew the whole mechanism of her

[fallen quartz]

As it should be, we know slapping same codes of RL's NIKKE on her doesn't work out.

and f*ck them for ignoring this.

You can't expect a unique character to use generic codes that built for everyone.

[topaz rampart]

im ready to test

[oak cargo]

Damn right pump her number up for SSS in story

[topaz rampart]

for lore accurate maybe midnight all magic gone

[fallen quartz]

I bet they will deliver bug fix in last seven days of the event, that would match with re-open Solo Raid

If they open SR after the event end, prepare to be bombards by angry mobs

[topaz rampart]

shouldn't take that long

[fallen quartz]

depend

shouldn't be buggy but here we are

[topaz rampart]

depend on intern kun

[fallen quartz]

SU still have a bad management

to replace it, can cost weeks, or months

[primal inlet]

at least make her SS man

Like at least better than Ein for electric

[fallen quartz]

so that mean we know they are working under the same bad management that oversight the anniversary's development.

[crude oasis]

They were probably forced into the release despite buggy or missed it or skimmed over it

Because 2nd Anniversary is not a deadline they can move to another day

And it was all about Cinderella

RIP

[fallen quartz]

You know, they could just skip halloween event, and focus more on Anniversay's development

Halloween is a mini-event

[oak cargo]

Just add true damage to her kit ongod

[fallen quartz]

sure, it would raise a few negative points

but that is better than a buggy Anniversary, which is the best selling time for SU.

[topaz rampart]

I really don't worry about the strength , cuz everybody go for her, im not alone, and she is aniver character. so im chill

[crude oasis]

Pressure will probably force ShiftUp to maintain the status quo in damage output because people are already clearing Mirror Container stage 9 with her

Now if they nerf her and divide people who cleared it early using the bug and those who started to clear it late, plus there will be issues clearing Behemoth using Cinderella, people with bug will be able to at lower CP

So somewhat like 90% sure ShiftUp won’t just nerf her and let that happen

[oak cargo]

That alice was during a patch

Alice was not supposed to do that

Cindy is on release nikke

They can do whatever they want to

[weary cedar]

Or, maybe they don't need making this fucking long minigame and just make a simpler one so they can have more resources to focus on the unit

I love hollow knight, but fuck this minigame

[toxic wren]

Y'all still on this thread?

Kill it
It's over now

[elder pier]

Wdym?

Oh fuck

No way

[exotic forum]

?

[topaz rampart]

where is next battlefield

[molten oak]

Buff her S1 "nerf" burst

[acoustic field]

Btw whats on prydwen is wrong. Bastion better for cindy.

Not gonna get fixed cus Antillar busy

Till bugfix

Well hes been mad at me so

[modest nest]

uhm?

oh

it's the S1 dmg

[acoustic field]

Forgive my gross negligence

[wooden nova]

A year and a half the account been active, i stopped for 4 months or something, missed red good😭😭

I thought she was ass literally

[topaz rampart]

Crazy

[wheat vault]

half of it is off topic yapping for sure

[toxic wren]

Prydwen Vs nikke.gg discussion took place

And uhh

Websites Vs maincord took place

And uhh
Maincord Vs commcord too

[wheat vault]

did kisenix' ted talk about game development also took place?

[molten oak]

texas boy vs maincord

is the new trend

[slate apex]

websites > maincord

[slate apex]

commcord > maincord

local news > maincord

[heavy scaffold]

where is coomcord

[chilly kernel]

the true Nikke champ arena is here afterall

[weary cedar]

Isn't that game already closed?

Oh, coomcord, i thought it was concord

[frigid pumice]

btw whats the website people use that can show how much ele% dmg they got again ? OwO

[weary cedar]

Usually, i open the game -> go to character menu -> select the nikke -> select their gears -> calculate them

[frigid pumice]

i swear i seen some people load their stuff into some sort of a website lol

[modest nest]

texas vs Laplace

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059468005911830558/1240617445677334599/1kcvn8vghi0d1.gif

[safe lotus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245939636702810225/1302937317023023134/yan.gif

[bronze estuary]

not even close to RH

no nikke will ever surpass

[toxic wren]

Utsu used to be one of the bros here

In commander zone

Very long time ago

A lot of people here remember him prolly

[toxic wren]

In a good or bad way

Oh allyane? Well I just know him from yt

It wasn't
That harsh bro

Chill out bro lmao

Well it's your fault for trying to argue in maincord that hard in the first place cuz it's not like it's your first time going there

You need to find a way to say it in a way that comes off nice
Otherwise no one would want to learn

There are
Exceptions of course

Almost everyone is willing
To learn

If you explain it in a nicer tone

I didn't make it, I just know a server has it

Well he is right in his own terms at least

You need to understand that
85% of the playerbase is around his CP bro

What similar job

They don't do same job at all

You defended her tho

6 chapters worth of CP records are with asuka man

Pls

They hide the techs smh

Gotta wait for oniichan mcegan and yanni

[molten oak]

imagine if she is supporter b2

[oak cargo]

[primal inlet]

Except her burst animation is some fucshit

Always have to switch to crown to be able to see

O nah I meant RH lol

[fast kettle]

Does Cinderella generate more burst if you're using her? Compared to being on someone else

[fluid bone]

technically yes but at the same time her burst gen is so dog that the bonus you get for "using" her is like hoping your $1 investment becomes $1 million

it'll get there if you give it enough time

[toxic wren]

#questioning-centre message

Cinderella Live Reaction

[molten oak]

xd

cp 1:1

his sanis is core6 btw

[molten oak]

That lad is bursting with biscuit

or am I wrong?

No wait he's bursting with Noah because inverted positions

Idk man I'm fucking noob in pvp

[toxic wren]

Nope

You are right

[molten oak]

Then he's noob

Cindy in attack is really stronk

In defense is like SBS kek

Man why in my rookie arena people there is noob

Meanwhile in SP I'm fighting the whole day

[fluid bone]

should have started the game a little later

[molten oak]

Nah is ok

3k each 14 days helps me a lot

[toxic wren]

I did and still got fucked

Need to be like month 4 bracket tbh

[fluid bone]

gg