[Cinderella] New Unit Megathread

[torn raven]

Yup, I think it's a nice thing if they had more good units

Like, I'm not saying gamebreaking every 4 seconds

[sand mesa]

Adding new strong units gives new players who missed shit like Mod, SbS, Red Hood a chance to get good characters

[broken berry]

Warframe drops a new frame every few months, yet octy is still the best support several years later

[torn raven]

But like make niche characters that fill a slot that are actually good.

[sand mesa]

Powercreep is only bad if it occurs every banner

[broken berry]

This

[torn raven]

Like make Rumani good, but not broken

[broken berry]

Power creep is gonna happen, it's just a matter of how fast it happens

[green verge]

This is literally Tove

[sand mesa]

Like this year we had the summer units, Eva, Ein, and like D

And SBS at the start of the year

Compared to how many total banners

How many of the units this year have been worth getting

[torn raven]

And a shotgun team is still not good despite that.

[broken berry]

Wasn't like half the banners mid?

[green verge]

It's literally one of the most used team in SR right now

[sand mesa]

Half of the banners feature mid or good in a niche units

[torn raven]

Says who?

I've not seen it. Like...at all.

[broken berry]

But none of the good characters shifted the meta like bunnies or schoolgirls did,

[green verge]

Enikk app

[torn raven]

I wish Cindy was more focused on max HP.

[green verge]

And my personal experience doing SG team

[torn raven]

Your personal experience is that shotgun is the most used in solo raid?

Did you interview yourself to confirm?

[green verge]

My personal exp that SG is good for SR

[broken berry]

I would like to see su drop some cracked burst 1 units, since liter has been bis basically forever for pve and only d killer wife challenges her

[torn raven]

Okay. So is Liter/Crown/RH/Modernia/Naga lmao

Probably moreso

[sand mesa]

Yeah if it's not Noir or Naga I'm not using a SG in Sr lol

[agile crystal]

you said not seen it at all

SG team is probably most versatile filler team you can build

they work on all ele

[frigid pumice]

go to enik.gg solo raid

all top player has shotgun as 5th team

[torn raven]

I said I've not seen it at all.

[green verge]

I get not liking it, but Tove is the definition of niche unit that are extremely good at her niche lol

[agile crystal]

yeah cause you checking your own team or something

you not gonna see it if you not use it

[torn raven]

Or the top players on my specific solo raid, I never seen Tove.

Idk if it's instanced or based off server but Ive yet to see Tove.

[agile crystal]

Its region based

[torn raven]

Maybe my region hates her then lmao

[unreal steeple]

i see shotgun team all the time in NA

[agile crystal]

She is being used in all regions

[sand mesa]

Point is 50% of units = Niche or ass

The game isn't balanced but it's balanced in the wrong direction of most units being either useless or only good in a niche that will on occasion pop up

[torn raven]

It's unfortunate because we could use more strong units

We've had Liter for burst 1 for so long, give us another

[green verge]

I think they are good at handling the powercreep, by making a specific unit shine in their own niche.

For example, Tove for SG or Elemental DPS like Ein and Quency

[sand mesa]

New players who missed shit like SBS, Red Hood, Mod, etc are going to have a rougher time finding good units to actually clear content with because shift up sucks at making things actually generally useful

[green verge]

So, broken unit like Cindy once in a while is fine

[torn raven]

Yeah, let's have Liter until EOS

[agile crystal]

dkw rouge rh

[green verge]

Rouge is rising after Cindy came

[frigid pumice]

Rouge is good CDR unit, but now somewhat become HP buffing niche with CDR with cindy

[sand mesa]

Not saying I want everything to be broken but it would be nice to have more than 3 non pilgrim/limited units a year that are actually worth pulling

Like dkw wasn't broken but she was worth getting

[torn raven]

Noise/Rouge is a decent combo but I wouldnt say Rouge is better than Liter. And you're still missing another good burst 3 for that team unless you have 2B

Liter's just all around good for multiple teams, which, you know, would be nice to have with more than 1 unit.

[green verge]

Wdym, just Rouge-Cindy-S. Anis and the rest just fill with whatever

Can be Blanc or something else

[torn raven]

Limited units, huh?

Always nice.

[green verge]

Well, it's electric team

[torn raven]

2B, Anis. Both limited.

[frigid pumice]

only limited that survived was Summer Anis and Winter Ludmilla

[agile crystal]

you dont use 2b for that team

also you dont use noise

[torn raven]

For a max HP team, you do.

[green verge]

No

[torn raven]

Which is a different niche entirely

[green verge]

Why hyperfocus on Max HP team anyway

[sand mesa]

In the meta sure, but that doesn't change that they were still worth getting at the time

[torn raven]

Why not?

Sounds like a fun team to build to me.

[sand mesa]

I'm saying I want more units worth actually rolling for that aren't limited due to collab, seasonal events, or pilgrims

[frigid pumice]

also yall talking about wanting more good units that isnt straight up dogshit , sure im with yall

[sand mesa]

Dkw isn't broken but she was worth at least getting a copy of

[frigid pumice]

but shift up also needs to bump up resource gains

[torn raven]

Literally all I want

[frigid pumice]

skill mats

[green verge]

Like Ein, Quency, B. Soda, M. Priv etc?

[frigid pumice]

or else im always dry

[torn raven]

NVM Also want this

That's all I want

[frigid pumice]

like think

another issue arise

[tired elm]

grave and cindy can go together right

[torn raven]

Wait nvm I also want another Red Hood and a Red Hood skin. Then that's all I want.

[green verge]

If you want, wasting Grave's potent Pierce buff tho

[torn raven]

I think the only benefit she gets is max ammo over using someone else, cuz she's more a pierce unit

[tired elm]

ah though the attack dmg and burst gen is good enough

[frigid pumice]

if we get more resource we can experiment with more Niche units

[torn raven]

Grave works good with like Asuka or RH probably

[frigid pumice]

unless you whale them

[green verge]

Still good if you want to force them together

[torn raven]

You can run just about anything if you just smash it together hard enough lmao

[green verge]

Ye, Cindy won't suddenly turn into dogshit with Grave lol

[torn raven]

I made it to chapter like...4 without realizing how burst works when I first started, so I never had a burst 3

That's what rerolling does to the brain though I guess

[elder pier]

Wait how does campaign work then? Shes able to hit multiple enemies.

Wouldnt it be like she only hits 1 target with the 400 radius bullet and then splash AoE is only 50?

[broken berry]

I remember people said I had king like luck cause I blew past the 160 wall before I ever hit it

[torn raven]

Same, but thats because I used my own luck

||credit card||

[broken berry]

With the power of money, all problems can be solved, who's got that meme with the one maid

[torn raven]

Anyway, would Cindy and 2B work with Frima? I'm kinda tempted to try getting Frima's fav item

Something like Noise/Cindy/2B/Mast/Frima

[agile crystal]

that will work its just not good

2b need/prefer volume

[broken berry]

Doesn't 2b prefer noise?

[agile crystal]

nope

and it will be very hard for cindy to get mast buff

[broken berry]

Really? Damn, I've been running my 2b team wrong, I had noise as primary b1 and volume as secondary

[torn raven]

I've had no issues with that lmao

[agile crystal]

if your noise and frima low limit break yeah

but with frima fav item she's probably gonna steal that

lb2 + sr15

[brave socket]

at the end I decided to not fight against the "nerf" situation anymore. If they create game imbalance by leaving cinderella like this Ill just dont care until it affects me personally , then time to 👋

[torn raven]

That is a good point

[toxic wren]

Nope, lol

She just hits so hard she 1-2 shot every rapture, 1 shot if crit iirc at 29% deficit

Big raptures fall to her AoE with proper rng (since her burst is rng targeting), small ones to her basic attacks during full bursts

[toxic wren]

Lugo

[torn raven]

?

[toxic wren]

Nvm you wouldn't get it

[torn raven]

Probably not.

[elder pier]

Oh ye that was lugos pfp

[torn raven]

<_<

Oh, I just picked it cuz RH

[toxic wren]

Overall I think it also helped that I had what 78% elemental

[toxic wren]

Dw about it tbh

[torn raven]

I wanna find a way to make a 2B Cinderella team work but without Rouge I feel like I'm just floundering. Very frustrating.

[elder pier]

Oh ye i see it now, the projectile is so wide its just hitting some other enemy instead of the target im aiming at.

[toxic wren]

@elder pier

https://streamable.com/hy176c

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076238531371991181/1301675933903753288/2024-10-31_18-35-07.mp4?ex=6726006e&is=6724aeee&hm=62d50676581e3dd987691b14bc0b80c8e9d8ec4ca18a892df7ea8d4dbbfd49d4&

It barely ever hits 2 units

Only when they're like jumbled up VERY close together

[elder pier]

So then pin would have to change right?

Cus her AoE radius didnt actually increase

[toxic wren]

Oh yeah

That's true

Misinformation

[elder pier]

Just her bullet width, but she cant pierce

[toxic wren]

Changed

[toxic timber]

Bro doomposting as much as kisenix Damn, he got dedicated sticker

[unborn stump]

Erm, akshually that's called free speech

[last hill]

Cn player tell me that SU fixed the splash radius from 50 -> 400 yesterday is it true ?

[unborn stump]

No, projectile radius

[toxic wren]

I already showed you what the fixed

[unborn stump]

Increased projectile radius to deal with the issue of her shots missing

But her problem fundementally lies in how her weapon works

The bullet arcs

[last hill]

oh , so that is newest data right ?

[toxic wren]

Yes

[last hill]

👌

[toxic wren]

The splash radius is 50

It's small

Cinderella thread

Keep it that way

[sullen forum]

🔨

[waxen cedar]

Guess this is a good roll for her, right?

[fluid bone]

yes

lock line 2 and 3 and reroll line 1 for ele and it's perfect

[sullen forum]

now lock 3 and 2 to roll ele in 1

[waxen cedar]

1st time I actually get a good roll then lol

I know, terrible skill issue

[dusky niche]

it's nothing to do with your skill

[fallen quartz]

Did you just teach him how to be wasteful?

I would lock 3rd slot though, and roll for elemental, just to spend 2 rocks instead of 3

[waxen cedar]

pulling is skill bro, look at Yugi

[fluid bone]

you're being wasteful

[waxen cedar]

Dude is so good he gets to dray any card he wants at any moment

[fluid bone]

it;s already ideally 2/3 lines and only requires ele for perfect OL stats on 1 piece

man is trying to brick your OL roll

[wooden roost]

snake...

[molten oak]

Oh it's Lugo, Ven's cousin

[inland slate]

Like others said, lock 2/3 roll ele

[molten oak]

Yeah the easiest reroll

X3 rocks

And pray

[simple dock]

dont worry guys she wont be nerf

JP and KR bros won't let it happen

[inland slate]

Lol SR 15 Cindy doll on 90 blues

Holy shit

This is why she didn’t come home in 240 pulls, all my luck went into the dolls

[simple dock]

doll is especially important for her since she's a defender

[elder pier]

https://m.dcinside.com/board/gov/2134716

Anyone seen this yet?

[simple dock]

my Cindy got nearly 60 ammo, more than Scarlet - an AR unit

[toxic wren]

What now

New bug?

[elder pier]

Im trying to make sense of his atk calc for the auto and s1.

Idk why it'd be lower
(319,060+32,758)
Vs her burst additional dmg
(319,060+65,517)

1st line is gun dmg
2nd is s1 additional dmg
3rd is burst skill additional dmg
4th is burst skill initial 10 hits

[signal hollow]

Jesus Christ

That's a lot of Max Ammo OL stats

[lavish bridge]

i aint reading all that
but im happy for u

[inland slate]

Wait so vigor BIS?

[lavish bridge]

if u have a lvl 13-15 vigor cube then yes

[inland slate]

Kek

[elder pier]

Isnt bastion better than resil on cindy?

[lavish bridge]

it's minimal difference

as long as u dont reload mid full burst

if u have infinite ammo and shoot for 3 mins straight u gain 3% damage congrats

[rugged lake]

How much dps is cindy slated to lose once they fix her burst damage bug?

[ripe abyss]

20%ish maybe?

[elder pier]

Oh nvm he is using liter b1 so only half uptime on the atk buff.

[rugged lake]

Not as bad as I thought it would be

[hexed gorge]

lol same, 120k gems gone without single copy, and SR15 doll with almost all blue and got godly OL stat too

[kindred shell]

Currently she's at >120% of her potential, so take off the 20% if harran bug is fixed

[kindred shell]

I think bastion is far superior

Over resil

[oak cargo]

Need to clear mc before they fix her bug

[molten oak]

[lavish bridge]

i guess more ammo = less worry to manual reload her is nice

[ripe abyss]

bummer about the raid, but the apolokits got her doll to SR15. I never place very high anyways, so I probably come out on top in this deal

counting the gems and such

[lavish bridge]

it's just delayed, not removed dont worry

[ripe abyss]

oh

that's good then. I know the notice said "Temporary Removal" but with the amount of stuff they gave I figured to plan for the worst

[wheat vault]

i think with this many rewards, it's definitely cancelled

there's also them risking it clashing with UR schedule

[weary walrus]

could've sworn they've had UR and SR overlap before

[subtle oxide]

Depends on how far it gets delayed for ig

[ripe abyss]

idk how far out they plan Solo Raid, but I guess they'll just do some shuffling or push everything back a month?

[kindred shell]

I think in practice you're gonna rarely want to manually reload her since it'll interfere greatly with burst gen

[simple dock]

if my Cindy got shit ton of ammo (like close to 60), is bastion better ?

[lavish bridge]

that's why just right ammo is the best

[fallen quartz]

Just because of SU, we have to crack our only two brain cells to solve math about her DPS

WTF?!

[fallen quartz]

yup, because of Cinder

[rugged lake]

They are giving the full rewards basically

[fallen quartz]

Basically, Behemoth start as a far target

but when transform, the range become mid to close

[ripe abyss]

Is there a general amount of "just right" in terms of ammo? I have 72. I assume that's too much? Is there such a thing?

[fallen quartz]

ShiftUp, you mess up big time this anniversary...

[rugged lake]

Focus on ED and atk before stuffing ammo

I have 4 lines of ammo and only 1 line of ED (cursed rolls). Some of those ammos are going away for sure

[nimble crypt]

no sr selector doll

[elder pier]

Luckily i did the lvl 6 b4 it closed so i get the rewards + compensation

[fallen quartz]

Blue mat on SR doll...
10 blue mats, that scared the shit out of me.

[wheat vault]

no frame, lost 2700-3000+ potential gems from being top50 or top200

[ripe abyss]

Okie dokie. Just have to get more rocks. One of my pieces has a max ammo roll on the 3rd line, another has max ammo on the first and ele on 3rd. Another has a blue max on the first line. And I have a grand total of ONE rock 😦

[fallen quartz]

this is the second time SU mess up Solo Raid, but this time is more severe, as it is right at the Anniversary.

the last time didn't force close Raid though

but it did affect the score

[nimble crypt]

should they put SR on 6th November instead at 30th oct for sake not using grave on SR

[rugged lake]

Yeah same

[nimble crypt]

they didn't predict cindy house of bug

[rugged lake]

Yeah there is

Last box

[nimble crypt]

ah i see

[fallen quartz]

Like I said, SU rush deadline, bad management, etc

[waxen cedar]

So time to give Cindy her doll

[rugged lake]

You mean your cindy doll isn't SR 15 yet?

[fallen quartz]

they even rushed fix the bug, just to leave remnant of it

[waxen cedar]

Took a break from Nikke so had no dolls actually

[nimble crypt]

wow 51 gold box

it's 255 blue mats

[fallen quartz]

JP and KR whales are gonna have a good time screaming at SU

imagine they have C7 Cinder, fully built, and can't use...

[rugged lake]

Hmm. Good luck with these doll mats then

I super succed a 2.2% blue box to get her SR 15 doll yesterday

[waxen cedar]

All in with the mats to see if I luck out or in small quantities?

[rugged lake]

I do it one at a time

[waxen cedar]

oh, super success

blues are OP guys XD

[rugged lake]

I change strats depending on what level I get

[rugged lake]

SR15?

[waxen cedar]

nah, went to 6?

[fallen quartz]

same with me recently

[rugged lake]

Super succ should go to 5/10/15 instantly

[waxen cedar]

5 then

[exotic forum]

I get more time to try to roll ele on Cindy

[rugged lake]

Ah. You started on SR0

[waxen cedar]

yup

[rugged lake]

I usually go to R15 with blues then change to SR5

Then try to fish super succs to 10/15

[north marsh]

You always do one at a time because it is more efficient to fish for super success 100% of the time.

[fluid bone]

it doesn't matter the mats won't be used if super succ early

so if you do say 5 at a time and proc super succ on 1st try then you get the 4/5 back

[north marsh]

Oh really? It applies the mats individually? I thought it dumped them all at once lmao

[fluid bone]

procs one at a time

[north marsh]

Well that's actually useful then. I never actually tried it cause I didn't wanna waste them

That's my bad, then.

[inland slate]

Yep, so go wild

[sand mesa]

If the Cinderella bug increases her overall damage by around 20% like some people have been saying then after the nerf how comparable will she be to the other top tier dps units?

Just out of curiosity cause I see a lot of people doomposting again...

Like she should still be better than most of the other dpses in the game right?

[inland slate]

Yeah, still top for sure

[sand mesa]

I thought so cause rn my Cinderella with virtually nothing is almost going neck for neck with my max invested RH for damage

I imagine she'll be more in line with RH and sbs as opposed to just surpassing them almost entirely with no conditions

[bronze estuary]

Rip Cinderella, riot incoming🗣

[stone urchin]

my redhood is doing way beter than cindy

it is vs tural

[wheat vault]

tural? don't you mean autrl

[stone urchin]

ultra

[sand mesa]

Ultra was basically created to cater towards red hood

[molten oak]

Lol bro is using Cindy against ultra anomaly

[stone urchin]

Is liter crown naga cinde rh bad

[sand mesa]

Ultra made pre buff red hood look good

[stone urchin]

I don7t have rouge

or sanis

it is interception

[molten oak]

Half of the time ultra is behind an elemental shield

[stone urchin]

it is electric weak

oh shit

I was wrong

it was iron weak

[sand mesa]

Plus it has a lot of parts

[elder pier]

Not to mention piercable parts

[sand mesa]

Ultra favors red hood

It literally dropped in her event

[pliant plover]

this is in the shooting ramge against elec, wind and iron weak bosses
cindy and sbs both have over 90% ele and rh 45%, all 3 have around 35% atk with 3 rolls

[sand mesa]

Shift up does that very often

Where they just release or conveniently have a SR that favors specific units so people can see how strong those units are under favorable conditions

[dusty shuttle]

"very often". When have they not?

[fallen quartz]

Also, there is another bug I think relates to CC, I'm grinding hard 31 and Cinder is on slot 4, she bursts and shoots the left horn of CC (Crystal Chambers) and I have noticed CC repeat pattern a lot: throw crystal at the same spot, and always summon right horn, it happens continuously.

[hazy sedge]

she's bugged again?

[fallen quartz]

That is just my guess. also, her beams is guarantee to hit skill 1 when aim at the horn on the right.

there is only a small little hitbox at the most end of the horn that Cinder can safely hit, but I have to say how tiny the spot is.

Compare to left horn which have more room for damaging it safely.

tch, what a bad design

both CC and cinder

[wooden nova]

Yoo is cindy getting nerfed??

[lyric pulsar]

yes

delete your account right now

[wooden nova]

why

[wooden nova]

Hell no

[fallen quartz]

Also, her dps is still bugged, so yeah, bad luck for anyone want to counter CC by using Cinder.

CC is fixed at Near position, the mechanism can only allow Cinder to aim at the left horn, also when she Burst, she blinds the screen and CC can Nuke your team.

[sand mesa]

Goof point lol

-f +d

[sand mesa]

If you burst with her while shooting she does like 20% more damage

It's a bug

[wooden nova]

Aw man

How do people notice that

[wooden nova]

Is this for pvp?

[sand mesa]

Nerf shouldn't matter that much but I expect it'll bring her more in line with Red Hood and sbs as opposed to just blatantly better most of the time

[fallen quartz]

not related...

[wooden nova]

Wdym

[fallen quartz]

Until SU fix Cinder, I have to replace Cinder with... Scarlet just for CC.

[wooden nova]

So its for pvp?

sorry

Im a lil dumb

[fallen quartz]

I don't know about her on pvp

[wooden nova]

So we're talking pve here

[elder pier]

they closed solo raid, but didnt list the cindy charge bug in known issues.
maybe theyll keep it

[wooden nova]

They already fixing it? Bruh

[wooden nova]

Whats CC, btw?

[agile pilot]

they ain't gonna nerf her right after canceling SR imo

[lost zinc]

crystal chamber

ch 31/32 boss iirc

[elder pier]

chamber doesnt have core tho right?

[lost zinc]

no core yep

[elder pier]

oh nvm i see the issue

[wooden nova]

Ahhh

Is cindy good for pve? Might use her

[fallen quartz]

nope

[lost zinc]

Yep good for pve if u dont have other units

[fallen quartz]

CC can easily be fixed by making the horn longer

or move Skill's circle away from the horn

[wooden nova]

Crown, liter, alice, mod, naga is prolly better tho right

Like, cindy doesnt have to replace any1?

[lost zinc]

Can consider replacing Cindy with Alice or Mod, depending which is less invested

[fallen quartz]

She is being nerf due to bugs

fix it, her dps will return to what it suppose to be.

[strange quiver]

People are crying lol

[fallen quartz]

heck, the temporary fix already improve her dps

[strange quiver]

People hear 'nerf' and they are doomposting

[waxen cedar]

"gUys I pUllEd bEcAuSe sHe iS bUgGeD"

[tired elm]

i mean hes right

[strange quiver]

But after fixing it's still sbs level

[wooden nova]

So replace mod with cindy you mean?

[nimble crypt]

she can't aim near target now?

[waxen cedar]

aiming with her is weird ngl

[lost zinc]

You pull because Big numbers
I pulled because I want the apologems
we are not the same

[dusty shuttle]

Not at all

[wooden nova]

Theyre giving apologems??

[strange quiver]

Maybe

[fallen quartz]

Scroll up to read about CC

[lost zinc]

Yep! Cindy can replace Mod or Alice whicever is weaker

[waxen cedar]

A nerf is lowering her numbers, for example, which is not happening here

[wooden nova]

So is cindy going to perform a bit low after this patch?

[lost zinc]

No one knows. Jus have to have for SU finalise

[strange quiver]

It's a bug and it should be fixed to prevent future incidents. They can just add another buff to compensate for that.

[wooden nova]

Hope so

[tired elm]

explain?

[strange quiver]

If peeps wanna keep the bug then give back harran bug

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-haran-burst-gif-9799819697238569425

[sullen forum]

we don't have sr up

doomposting 2nd best thing to do in this game

[tired elm]

i will pregnant all people who defends shift up

🫃

[elder pier]

same

[nimble crypt]

lets riot

[dusty shuttle]

If it's a bug, don't expect it to stay. Why would you pull when you know it's eventually going to get fixed

[tired elm]

bro some people dont fucking read discord 24/7

they just watch if number is good

thats what he was saying

did sky vid mentioned bug

that was the vid he was commenting not discord channel

oh nvm thats a new video

thought was the old one

[strange quiver]

It's su's problem not mine

[modest nest]

sure mate

is she bug btw

won't read

[radiant dragon]

this accounts core damage ?

[elder pier]

yeah 1st line the** (1.075 +0.5 +1)**

[radiant dragon]

oh right

[acoustic field]

I am rereading the chat

And Im laughing at this Slayer guy

Who acts cocky and says all the wrong things

[ripe abyss]

I mean, not everyone is on Discord. With 45 million downloads, and like less than 200k on the official Discord, safe to say that a lot of people (probably most) aren't even aware that there's a bug. Probably safe to say that the majority don't engage with the meta aspects of the game, and don't even know that there's a bug. They just see PRETTY WHITE HAIRED TWINTAILS THAT DOES A SHIT TON OF DAMAGE and pull. Then a fix goes out and they'll be all, "Why does my waifu do 20% less damage now?". Most of them will be justifiably pissed lol

[acoustic field]

But we shud be glad

Because if dumb people exist

Its easier for us to rank higher in SR

Free gems

[oak cargo]

Kitoxic

[acoustic field]

Only 500?

It shud be the same gems we get last raid

[deft obsidian]

Temporary closure

[acoustic field]

Hey listen

[deft obsidian]

so they probably plan to try to do it still

[acoustic field]

SU doesnt give freebies

For temporary closure

[deft obsidian]

They did now

[acoustic field]

Then they will skip Part 1-7

And when its up, 7 days of challenge mode

[deft obsidian]

That means we get our gems + 500, so that's fine with me 👌

Sad part is now we'll be out of sync with skill resets

[acoustic field]

Vigor diluted by Rouge Crown, etc.

[crude oasis]

25 days for skill reset this time

[acoustic field]

But Resil is buffed by Crown.

[crude oasis]

I assume you were thinking it’s like 1 week or less for skill reset

iirc it’s usually about 4 days

[acoustic field]

Also Bastion is her best cube anyways.

[dusky niche]

with Crown and S.Anis, Cindy doesn't need Max ammo right?

[crude oasis]

Unless you tend to start reloading right as team is about to enter full burst, I guess so

But doesn’t Cinderella still have to recharge anyway?

Reloading interrupts the 100% charge speed?

[dusky niche]

if she keeps shooting, no reload

[acoustic field]

True.

Wait.

[crude oasis]

“Removed upon reloading to max ammunition”

RIP

[dusky niche]

let me check

[acoustic field]

That is Grave?

[crude oasis]

Cinderella

Basically, if you try to do 100% reload speed approach to get around Cinderella base ammo, the condition of removing 100% charge speed upon reloading to maximum ammo will still force a 1 second charge up time on you in the middle of full burst

It’s not like say Winter Ludmilla where you insta-reload and keep shooting

[dusky niche]

yeah we need to recharge even with 100% reload

[crude oasis]

Cinderella will still insta reload, but that annoying 1 second chargeup time will be enforced

Still, that’s not too bad I guess

[fallen quartz]

100% reload is fixed

[dusty shuttle]

It is, actually

[fallen quartz]

so yeah, that a force behavior from SU, I guess to prevent bug

[exotic forum]

if you're having to use priv for the 100% reload, it's quite bad

[dusty shuttle]

She shoots 3 times per second with her buff

[exotic forum]

you end up having to charge more often

[dusty shuttle]

Reload after every shot drops it to ~1/s

[fallen quartz]

Cinder is very nice design, but due to SU's incompetent, it raise a lot of issues.

[crude oasis]

Oh yeah, definitely not sticking Cinderella with Privaty

[icy tree]

Patch came out already?

[crude oasis]

Not in last hour

[dusky niche]

she's recharging at 15sec

[fallen quartz]

Patch my butts

[modest nest]

patch what

[fallen quartz]

yup, ammo refill already, but still does reload animation

you can post this in https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1301398523882901550

[dusky niche]

it's not a bug though

[brazen violet]

I heard cindy loses around 25% dps if the bug got patched

[dusky niche]

clearly stated in the skill description

[brazen violet]

Does not seem that bad

[exotic forum]

the 100% reload interaction is working as intended

[fallen quartz]

We will see

[exotic forum]

she doesn't cover after each shot, so doesn't get a chance to reload them, and once she runs out, she insta reloads but still has to charge

if she covers after each shot she might have to charge every single shot

[acoustic field]

So, with Crown + SAnis, no cube:

• 0 ammo = 8s uptime + 1.494s downtime (1.794s auto?)
• 50% ammo = ~

With Crown + SAnis AND Resilience

• 0 ammo = 8s uptime + 1.1833s downtime (1.4833s auto?)

With Crown + SAnis AND Bastion:

• 0 ammo = 11.432s uptime + 1.494s downtime (1.794s auto?)

[fallen quartz]

that is why her decoy there

[acoustic field]

Sorry, wrong.

Fixed.

I am sure downtime is 0.3s higher on auto.

So, with Crown + SAnis, no cube + MANUAL:

• 0 ammo = 455 shots fired

With Crown + SAnis AND Resilience + MANUAL:

• 0 ammo = 470 shots fired

With Crown + SAnis AND Bastion + MANUAL:

• 0 ammo = 477.6 shots fired

[dusky niche]

I stopped playing to stop recording at the end of the video
so please ignore the last relaod animation

[fallen quartz]

sure, I can ignore relaod animation.

[acoustic field]

This does not affect burst damage.

[fallen quartz]

[acoustic field]

Idk how much % is her burst damage.

[strange quiver]

Who

[modest nest]

forgot to mention

I tested her last night, 110% reload she still loses ammo

[acoustic field]

I assume without Crown, Resilience is better than Bastion.

[modest nest]

so the reload is inevitable, you need to delay it as much as you can

blanc noir is an example

[strange quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-snap-inevitable-marvel-avengers-endgame-gif-14599588

[acoustic field]

Does she still have the 0.3s charge time delay on auto

[fallen quartz]

Well, I just suggest a new status effect for Cinder: Decoy
in the Effect in use list when NIKKE is on the battlefield. So we can tell if her decoy is on or not.

The visual effect is shit.

[modest nest]

1s you mean?

first shot has full charge time

[acoustic field]

Anim delay?

[quiet ginkgo]

People wilding in MideusSS videos

[gloomy laurel]

[sand mesa]

[exotic forum]

[modest nest]

there's

clip might be lag but 0.3 ~ 0.5 is guaranteed

[sand mesa]

Hopefully the bug fix doesn't hit her that hard

[exotic forum]

if they fix her core hit issues at the same time, her dmg shouldn't change that much

[sand mesa]

Not fixing a bug just sets a bad precedent for the future imo

[dusky niche]

on paper, Cindy is still a great unit even without the charge damage bug

[sand mesa]

If one nikke gets to keep their bugs that benefit them then people will want everyone to keep future bugs

If anything remove the bug and buff to compensate

[icy tree]

Probably a bug fix and maybe a buff to her to compensate

[exotic forum]

remove bug, let her reliably core hit

simple as that

[sand mesa]

The nikke community is incredibly braindead so they won't see that as being a benefit and will just assume she's ass

Because people are dumb as hell in this community and don't understand mechanics

[icy tree]

I swear a buff will be needed to placate the people with the bug fix

[sand mesa]

They won't shut the fuck up until she gets one

Ignore the fact she'd still be one of the best dpses in the game

[exotic forum]

I would like a buff to her projectiles, make them travel faster or something

all I want, is for her on paper dps to actually be reflected in game

[icy tree]

Not the most optimal but still usable in campaign

[exotic forum]

crazy idea

[fallen quartz]

that already happen

[icy tree]

Does Cindy need an AOE buff?

[exotic forum]

still too slow imo

aoe buff would be nice

mainly for pvp if anything

[sand mesa]

If Cinderella gets to keep her bug then Harran should get hers back but of course the community doesn't care about that because they probably don't even know it existed on Harran

[exotic forum]

how long did it take for harran bug to be fixed

I don't think SR delay is just bc of that, shouldn't be that hard to fix

[icy tree]

They could technically bump the 2.71% number to be higher but who knows

[exotic forum]

imo they're prob gonna rework her projectiles to some extent

fat projectile was just a bandaid solution that caused core hit issues

need to improve the actual tracking

or something

[sand mesa]

Personally I'm fine with her being brought more in line with RH and SBS without conditions

Pushing for beneficial bugs to be kept isn't going to be good for the game in the long run

[icy tree]

I forgot that they literally x8 the projectile from 50 to 400

[sand mesa]

And everytime a new broken unit comes out it pushes for even furtherly broken units down the road

[exotic forum]

yeah the bug needs to get removed, unless they keep it as a feature of kit (reword kit and all that)

[sand mesa]

Fgo is a good example of that with the release of Arjuna alter, a character who was so broken he essentially forced every following aoe unit into needing to be on par with him to keep hype

Allowing potentially game breaking bugs is stupid and it's a good thing these people aren't devs

[exotic forum]

even if bug is kept (integrated officially into the kit), and she gains the ability to core hit reliably, I think she's still reasonable in terms of power

[fallen quartz]

SU won't buff anything until Cinder is free of bug, they don't want to risk generate more bugs.

[sand mesa]

Because what happens if an even more broken bug slips by?

[exotic forum]

prob highest raw dmg in core hit and no pierce situation by a little bit

but in pierce or large aoe she easily loses

I find that acceptable

esp for a 2nd anni unit

[icy tree]

They're probably hitting their heads at the wall or their desk trying to code fix Cindy projectile or bug

[exotic forum]

either way bug needs to be officially integrated or removed, can't have something like that unstated

[sand mesa]

I just dont believe she should allow to be on par with or better than a C7 RH with a doll while having no dupes or a doll herself solely because of an unintentional design flaw

[exotic forum]

make it a feature or squash the bug basically

[sand mesa]

Official integration would be fine because at least it would show up in her kit as opposed to being hidden

[exotic forum]

eh, that's within bounds of what I would find acceptable imo, esp since rh easily beats her in usability (B1) and pierce

but yeah it would make her the strongest non-pierce dps

[sand mesa]

The issue is it's non intentional and you can't actually read it as being a part of her kit because of that

[exotic forum]

yeah

[sand mesa]

And like i said pushing for "beneficial" bugs to be kept is just a terrible idea

Because there could be far more broken bugs down the road

[exotic forum]

tbf I don't think SU has a track record of doing that

alice bug got patched

and harran

so I'm not too worried

[sand mesa]

No but it's these dumbass cumbrains that want it to be kept without integration or removal

[exotic forum]

just hoping whatever fixes they make to her projectiles actually make them work well

[sand mesa]

After the red hood backlash I don't think shift up is stupid enough to not at least compensate for it somewhat

Literally everyone knows about it now thanks to content creators

[icy tree]

They'll probably buff Cindy a little bit after the bug fix

[exotic forum]

reliable core hit is enough of a compensation for me

better tracking and aoe on projectiles would be a nice bonus

decoy qol would be nice too

but that prob is more complicated

since prev decoys don't have them

[icy tree]

I wouldn't mind 2.71% increase atk on max health to be bumped up after bug fix

[exotic forum]

visual difference if decoy is destroyed at least

like cracked shield or something

[modest nest]

[exotic forum]

or turn it spectral

like in pvp

[modest nest]

I hope the S1 can last 10 => 15s

she can miss all the core I dont care

[icy tree]

Maybe a higher HP pool for the decoy on activating burst?

[modest nest]

her basic is not that impressive from the very start

[icy tree]

Would her basic need an increase at all or its fine as it is?

[exotic forum]

her on paper dps is fine

[elder pier]

well thats not really compensation since that was supposed to be there from the get go

[exotic forum]

well the burst bug wasn't supposed to be there either

some gems ig

it's not like there are many that pulled cindy just bc of her burst bug

if they fix bugs that reduced her practical dps at the same time, that is prob enough

[icy tree]

Small buff to some of the numbers on her skills sets would be nice

[sand mesa]

None of these people bitching about a potential nerf knew about it until like 10 hours ago lol

[shrewd bloom]

Anyone have the math on the damage difference between S2 being 4 vs 10. I might end up resetting her

[exotic forum]

nearly none

lemme calc with my cindy rn

[shrewd bloom]

Yeah I stupidly went 10/10/10 and could use those mats for rouge instead

[acoustic field]

I think 4 enough or 7

[molten oak]

10/10/10 c7 sr15 to maximize her dmg

[exotic forum]

lvl 4 to lvl 10, is a 1% increase in final atk (assuming no other buffers) for my cindy

so at best 1% more final dmg

[shrewd bloom]

[exotic forum]

[shrewd bloom]

Yeah not worth it

Reset it is

[exotic forum]

lvl 7 is plenty

[acoustic field]

No

THEY BUFF HER S2 GG

[exotic forum]

[exotic forum]

yeah ig I would wait just in case they do

you got a lot of time to reset anyway

[rancid siren]

ngl it has to be alot not a little(proper integration)
her bug rn is the only reason shes getting much use in my main teams...i didnt know pierce was so important

[exotic forum]

pierce and true aoe clear are still king in most of campaign

cindy's usefulness is closer to sbs in campaign

niche

[acoustic field]

Pierce has always been goated

[rancid siren]

yeah

[icy tree]

I have been using Cindy and Alice in campaign

[rancid siren]

i always end up using alice anyways in campaign lmao

[modest nest]

to be fair

I decimated mobs with Cindy in 575F

[icy tree]

I could use privaty but eh, test running Cindy and she's pulling her weight even with lower team power than the recommended

[modest nest]

still lost because lack dps but I will see after they fix her

whatever the fix it is

[exotic forum]

I hope they properly test out whatever fix they make

[icy tree]

But yeah, I kinda expect a buff of some sort after fixing her

[exotic forum]

so that a new issue doesn't pop up

[acoustic field]

Ill be honest

[rancid siren]

they wont let her be weak dw

[acoustic field]

In my eyes

ShiftUp doesnt seem to be an intelligent developer

[rancid siren]

being a dev isnt easy...

[acoustic field]

No, thats not the point

Its not about being a dev

Its much more than that

[rancid siren]

i think they lack a proper QA team

[grand citrus]

Lotsa people said that about Harran back in the day

[rancid siren]

harran isnt backed by mega whales

they still trying to bounce back from eva event so theyll do whatever it takes to keep profits up

[icy tree]

Either there's no test team or the bug escaped the controlled testing environment

[fallen quartz]

It's hard to say about what is going on in ShiftUp's team, but they have expressed behaviors of rushing deadlines, messing up schedule, repeat small mistakes from time to time (like localize translation)

[grand citrus]

They probably shifted devs to another project again...

[rancid siren]

the big worry is shes meant to be strong, and as such they accounted for her dmg with the bug this anni
if they remove the bug we get pre announcement cindy and alot of angry whales

so they have to rework

[fallen quartz]

I know a few things about the working environment of Korea, as I researched it for fun, ShiftUp is facing common problems like other KR companies.

[acoustic field]

Like, I don't feel ShiftUp itself is smart talking in terms of like overall perceived intelligence like IQ (idk I just feel like as if they are less than other good devs), but they understand the market well and their manipulation tactics are pretty good and crafty.

[maiden thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/rule-666-rule-666-rules-666-rule-gif-532073786734371241

[fallen quartz]

I do think they have brains, but bad management ruins everything. Even an intelligent worker can't do shit with rush deadlines or dealing with a bad manager.

[acoustic field]

Rather, I am sensing their presented establishments to be rather below average.

This has been consistent since release.

There is a chance it is because one of the higher ups.

Like one of the higher ups is "dumb".

[fallen quartz]

I always check out the monthly revenue of gacha games. For NIKKE, it's stable to say the least, but haven't reached peak revenue for months.

[acoustic field]

No, it's not about productivity or performance.

It's strictly talking IQ in this case.

[grand citrus]

At least their main story writers are competent.

[acoustic field]

Their moves, kits, designs, and a large portion of these have been made as if they were made by someone with low IQ.

There are some parts of the game that don't present this problem interestingly.

Like their minigame team is pretty solid.

I see no problem with that.

[fallen quartz]

Mini game for example, it's likely they give another team the project

[acoustic field]

Quite literal almost perfection.

I like them minigames.

[fallen quartz]

which is small, hence they can do it perfectly

[acoustic field]

If the minigame is 100% quality,

Nikke is 80%.

Just as if it was led by someone with low IQ, like literally.

Not the CEO of course.

[rancid siren]

but theyve made that big console game no?
Stellar blade

i think maybe nikke blew up wayy more then they expected

[elder pier]

stellar blade was directed by the ceo

some other guy is directing nikke

[acoustic field]

Like I said earlier,

[elder pier]

forogr his name

[fallen quartz]

This is also a phenomenon when comparing indie games with a bigger scale game (not AAA scale)
A good team is one thing, a best manager is another. With a small team, they can watch over each other, monitor if the other keep up or make any mistake.

[rancid siren]

honestly quality wise i cant picture a gacha game better than nikke

[fallen quartz]

SU has many teams for different projects, the team handling Stellar Blade has nothing to do with NIKKE.

[acoustic field]

The game imparts aura as if it is made or managed or led by someone with below than average IQ (likely not the CEO himself but one of the higher ups). They, however, understand the market well and have crafty manipulation tactics, and these compensate for them because normal average humans beings will not able to sense/perceive the lower intelligence-ness.

I am sure some do.

Because I have seen people complaining about this and that.

And I know only those who realize would actually rant about them.

You can literally compare how shit Nikke is compared to their literally perfect minigames.

[fallen quartz]

However, in trained eyes players, they play NIKKE just for fun, but don't raise it rating highly.

[acoustic field]

Their minigames are modern quality.

Better than average in fact.

The game itself is rather slipshod.

[wheat vault]

I think the damage recap is really inflated/wrong on cinderella. I'm doing a regular tower stage and felt like redhood was the one doing the rapture killings. cinderella's regular attacks dealt subpar damage

[acoustic field]

If not the most slipshod game I have ever seen that somehow thrives because they can cover the holes.

[fallen quartz]

illusion sells, you know

[acoustic field]

It's like fixing a big road hole with a plank or something.

They don't fix the problem. They just cover it up. It feels like there are many of this everywhere.

[rancid siren]

it also has to do with how different compared to the mostly trash other gacha game gameplay are
the actual main gameplay of nikke is

feeling the recoil,watching things explode
its a very high dopamine inducing game

compared to something like your typical slow paced grindy gacha

[acoustic field]

In other words, the game does not feel as polished.

[fallen quartz]

SU skip Halloween and only give it minimum attention because they are dumb.
Who the heck released the game right near Halloween? If do it, just skip the holiday

[acoustic field]

I have seen way better.

[rancid siren]

youve seen better but have you felt better?

[acoustic field]

NIKKE is actualy one of the most favorite gacha games right now.

[fallen quartz]

Two years and players are still complaining about the pace of the game.

[rancid siren]

think about it , a game can be high quality with stellar gameplay
but most players will end up playing the flashy action game that gives feedback and dopamine

[fallen quartz]

It's fast and not relax when you get to later contents.

[icy tree]

ZZZ and Star Rail are there but I dont want to touch a Hoyo game

[fallen quartz]

Try hard stages, I'm at the door of hard chapter 32 and I want to swear...

[acoustic field]

Last time I felt better was during the good ol times of Honkai Impact 3, before they made the shitty Part 2 ruining the game.

[modest nest]

stop thinking

[fallen quartz]

because trained eyes always have fewer voices than the majority. Hence even with ratings, the majority decide the final score.

[rancid siren]

see what i mean?, honkai felt amazing because it was new at the time .it wasnt difficult but it had actual combat.....in a gacha game

nikke is similar its one of the only gacha which is not a honkai,genshin or rpg game clone rn

[acoustic field]

As always, it takes a higher intelligence to sense something of lower intelligence. It takes more experience to sense something that lacks experienve.

The average will not see.

[simple dock]

Nikke's technical aspect is really lacking for such a big game

[acoustic field]

Old Honkai Impact 3 had a pretty traditional economic scheme involving players' favorability as a large part of their decision making.

[simple dock]

that's very easy to see

[fallen quartz]

If I have to rate NIKKE on a competitive ladder compared to other KR's games, it's mid.

[simple dock]

the game's optimization is shit

[fallen quartz]

Competitive is something KR proud of, hence they likes it, a lot.

[acoustic field]

Now, miHoYo are making all their games fundamentally different, with a more modern and futuristic spending system, similar to subscriptions, where if you don't subscribe to their passes/monthlies, you get left behind.

Think of Netflix but as a gacha game.

[rancid siren]

exactly and yet...it feels good in your brain right?, the feedback you get from jiggly nikke blowing stuff up with visible recoil is dopamine inducing

[fallen quartz]

look at fire rate of guns

[acoustic field]

That is exactly how miHoYo games are developed right now.

Nikke?

They are somewhere in between these 2.

[fluid bone]

kisenix pls you're yapping too hard about topics not related to cinderella

[acoustic field]

They don't employ the traditional gacha economy and spending system. But they are not modern either.

Destiny Child would be considered traditional.

[simple dock]

Cinderella's bug is the proof of their dev team's inadequaties

[acoustic field]

And unfortunately,

The new more modern and futuristic spending system do benefit the devs more than the players.

[fluid bone]

at first and now he's going full off the rails

[acoustic field]

Cus money. 🤑

[fallen quartz]

They 'fix' it, a rush patch, then the remnant of it is still messing with us.

[wheat vault]

nah man, ain't no way

[gloomy quartz]

Did they say anything about what they’re gonna do about the cindy bug?

[fallen quartz]

that is not a good devs

good devs dive deep in the problem to fix the root, not bandaid it

[acoustic field]

No.

[wheat vault]

this is a regular tower wall stage, electric weak but cindy only has like 45% ele

ain't no way she dealt that much compared to rh

[acoustic field]

I think the whole chat.

[acoustic field]

Better than keep it dead.

[simple dock]

this is true in an ideal world. However it's not

[fallen quartz]

I know, suck

[acoustic field]

Yeah, they patching a hole but not fixing the underlying problem.

[simple dock]

time is of the essense, so they try to solve the problem as soon as possible

then they realize problem goes deeper than that. Decided to postpone solo raid

[fallen quartz]

and look at that, close Solo Raid.

[wooden roost]

https://tenor.com/view/never_ending-gif-24810109

[simple dock]

it was a good move tbh

[fallen quartz]

this is the first time a bug so serve, it close the SR

[acoustic field]

They have a very very very very very modern management system like something more Agile-ish.

[rancid siren]

i think they might develop in sprints(agile development)
The speed in deving this way always leads to a band aid type of fixing not a real fix

[rancid siren]

woahh

i was just about to type that lol

[primal inlet]

Unfortunate turn of events

[simple dock]

i mean which kind of dev team dont work Agile nowadays

[fallen quartz]

And let not talk about translation localize.

[modest nest]

her basic has splash

accept it

[fallen quartz]

that just trigger me more...

[modest nest]

400 radius

only a bit smaller than normal RL

[acoustic field]

Yeah, things get done and fixed at different speeds with little to correlation between them and their quality barely matches, definitely Agile-ish.

[simple dock]

Agile can work really well for their small events cuz the scope and workload is predictable

[acoustic field]

Their minigame team is literally better.

[wheat vault]

rh also has pierce the hell

[acoustic field]

Than the team for the rest of the game.

[simple dock]

for big events, shit gonna get complicated

[wheat vault]

this is more like it. land eater tower 580. rh burst first

[simple dock]

the thing with mini game team is that they dont give a fuck about the main game

it's just a game within a game

there's a lot less involvement with the core system

[wheat vault]

but fight ended on cindy burst

[elder pier]

it actually dont

[acoustic field]

Oh, yeah, ideally they do normal workflow for the game itself and Agile is okay for the subparts of the game. But everything has to go through the main group's QC process before going live.

[elder pier]

well not 400

[fallen quartz]

Cinder in mini game have better dps and aim than real Cinder

[acoustic field]

Because at the moment, the QC is weak or rather nonexistent.

The devs are doing the QC themselves.

[rancid siren]

yeah i can picture it
they have a backlog of issues and upcoming content
then they work on each piece on a fast pace sprint that maybe lasts 2 weeks

if it gets fixed then good if not put it back in the backlog and pick whatever else is more important

[acoustic field]

With SO MANY BUGS.

[acoustic field]

Lol.

[acoustic field]

Honestly, though,

The reason why Nikke feels slipshod.

Is because a large part of Nikke is being worked on by interns.

Like literally.

Lol.

And you know what's better for interns usually? Sprint systems.

[fallen quartz]

I want NIKKE to become better, not just display an illusion of it.

[wheat vault]

what the hell is blud waffling about

[elder pier]

normal RL vs Cindy

normal RL has small projectile size but big AoE splash
Cindy has big projectile size but small AoE splash

[fallen quartz]

which make no sense

[acoustic field]

Nikke is not an illusion. It's just your run of the mill factory with nothing special but just good publication of their reputation, credibility, etc.

[fallen quartz]

we know how real life rocket launcher work, big package in a small size, explode when contact, generally.

why make it reverse?

[acoustic field]

NIKKE in technically is ok, seems all right maybe 6/10.

[elder pier]

sci fi laser magic shit i guess

[fallen quartz]

oh boy,

[acoustic field]

Because it is a beam/laser.

[fallen quartz]

yes, in story, her beams are describe as lasers
however, in gameplay, that is not a fricking lasers.

[simple dock]

more like 3 or 4 out of 10

[fallen quartz]

it a projectile that leave a trail behind, basically a bullet, with illuminate on it.

Lapplace in gameplay is an example of a right laser

[acoustic field]

That's the whole game quality, not the technicality only.

[simple dock]

Nikke run hotter than ZZZ in my phone

[fallen quartz]

you can't bend the basic definition of something

[lost zinc]

Nikke could have been more. Now they're just feeding us filler events until annivs

[fallen quartz]

yup, NIKKE is still eat a lot of battery, memory storage

[simple dock]

Whatever Cindy is firing it's not laser

[fallen quartz]

and shit fps

[simple dock]

you can't just bend laser like that

[acoustic field]

Well, technicality doesn't refer to whether the game is optimized only.

[fallen quartz]

also lasers have a pin-point accuracy

[acoustic field]

Game design is also part of technicality.

[fallen quartz]

Cindy can't hit shit near her

[acoustic field]

So, for me, it's pretty average.

But nothing impressive.

[fallen quartz]

Well, the definition of Glass slippers are all over the place.

[acoustic field]

I am actually surprised how people find Nikke mindblowing.

[fallen quartz]

it's not accurate in gameplay, lore, or even basic...

just make it fire a straight laser like Lapplace

[acoustic field]

I even said: “Do you guys have never experienced a better gacha game or what? Like have you guys been playing gacha games from some scummy ah greedy tactic devs?”

[fallen quartz]

that actually solve all of her bug

and still leave a good impression...

[acoustic field]

Cus literally Nikke is mid/average.

[acoustic field]

Oh surely those translators are some linguistics interns.

From Korea, not outside Korea.

And we know English education is quite terrible in Korea and Japan, with some exceptions (very prestigious university/schools).

[fallen quartz]

Have you guys watched Evangelion?
The first time you see the laser, it goes straight, but leaves a big impression, as it pierces everything to the sky.
There, is beauty and functionality.

[acoustic field]

And SU promoting themselves as a "WHOLESOME COMPANY THAT IS ALL INCLUSIVE" obviously does not hire interns only from those big universities.

[fallen quartz]

No excuse, I have played JP/KR/CN gacha games on global, which have impressive EN localize.

They can do it, but they choose something worst.

[acoustic field]

Cus they have poor KR interns working on them.

[oak cargo]

Ok boy and girl

[modest nest]

damn

[acoustic field]

Bro, it is even below average quality.

[modest nest]

kiki yapping too much

ain't read that

[acoustic field]

You don't have to.

Better start working on the guide and give some useful maths.

So I can work on them.

Turn them into beautiful words.

[acoustic field]

Actually, there are parts of the game with actually insane quality of EN translations.

Like actually good.

And then there are some that are horrible.

I wonder.

[zenith jewel]

is liter good with her

[oak cargo]

Not the best

[acoustic field]

Remember Dorothy's Mini Game?

[fallen quartz]

So far, the second anniversary has a score on story, mini-game, maps, and event content.
But minus the most hyped NIKKE, also overprice skins and translation localize.

[acoustic field]

It was written in good English.

[zenith jewel]

oh then who is

[acoustic field]

Why is the minigame always perfect? Is it outsourced?

[oak cargo]

Rouge best

[acoustic field]

Rouge.

But need investments.

[zenith jewel]

:despairge:

[simple dock]

they said 2nd anni gonna be big, but so far it's not that different from Red Ash

[acoustic field]

You misheard.

[fallen quartz]

Like I said before, a smaller team handle mini games

[acoustic field]

They said it would be bigger not big.

It is indeed bigger.

But not big.

[fallen quartz]

they still connecting to main team, but can work independently

[acoustic field]

I expected Champs to release.

[fallen quartz]

and maybe the bad manager just let them do whatever

[acoustic field]

OH WAIT THEY DIDNT EVEN FUCKING KEEP THEIR PROMISE DO THEY?

[fallen quartz]

smaller team can watch each other easily

[acoustic field]

From the promised buffs announced in July 2023, which never arrive.

To Champs Arena being delayed indefinitely.

[fallen quartz]

butts are big

same with the bugs.

[acoustic field]

NIKKE is not worth your money.

Like honestly.

Low quality shits.

People just spend cus it's somewhat fun.

[fallen quartz]

yeah I'm still against that shit gacha skin

20$, ok I can spend sometimes

ain't no way I throw 60$

[zenith jewel]

how i feel knowing reruns dont exist in this game and rouge is a pipe dream for me 😂

[acoustic field]

Like I believe there is 0% player who spends because they want to support the devs.

[simple dock]

their 60$ gacha skins are clearly lacking to justify the price

[acoustic field]

And there are around 40% for other games.

Like if a game is so good, I would literally fucking pay just to support them.

[fallen quartz]

I doubt it, because gacha skin are still there

[acoustic field]

Nikke is just not one of them.

[fallen quartz]

meaning there are players do spend on it

[zenith jewel]

ogscarlet's tree looks so mid

[acoustic field]

They want the gacha skins.

Not support the devs.

Different mindset.

[fallen quartz]

also, the drop rate is literally shit

[acoustic field]

Support the devs means if I pay you, I would still be happy even if I don't receive anything back.

That's what I mean.

Nikke is definitely not one of this.

[exotic forum]

[acoustic field]

RH biased.

[exotic forum]

honestly... even if they make the bug part of her kit or buff her so it's same dmg, she's still not that broken

[acoustic field]

Liter, Naga.

Biased toward RH.

[exotic forum]

well that's a campaign setup

[fallen quartz]

don't judge it yet

[exotic forum]

ain't gonna use my rouge for neutral campaign

[acoustic field]

Campaign setup uses RH B1 bruh.

[exotic forum]

that's mald campaign setup, plus how am I supposed to do a full run with that

[acoustic field]

With another B1.

Crown Cindy SAnis RH Naga/Liter/Rapu/DWife/Rouge

[exotic forum]

I ain't using that in neutral

[acoustic field]

There is no neutral in campaign.

Today is element meta.

Don't stay in 2023.

[exotic forum]

[fallen quartz]

^

[exotic forum]

ok water-weak

what you do

[fallen quartz]

You will use RH

[exotic forum]

bring out your xlud?

[acoustic field]

Emilia.

[fallen quartz]

You have no idea how brutal hard stages later be

[simple dock]

water weak is wack

[fallen quartz]

I'm at hard 31, final boss

[acoustic field]

Or Quency.

Who the fuck uses XLud?

[simple dock]

yeah use quency sure

[acoustic field]

Probably XLud + Quency.

But with new Water DPS, XLud will perish.

And get replaced.

[exotic forum]

I ain't building high investing into quency just so she's high enough cp

and also I'm not made of rocks, can't afford to 2+ ele every dps

[simple dock]

xlud can work in neutral element raid

quency wont

and certainly not emil

[acoustic field]

Quency is strong for campaign.

Just that her time has not arrived yet.

No water weak.

Once water weak comes, she + new Water DPS (Pilgrim?) will be the meta.

Well, it depends whether that Water DPS is an AoE damage dealer or single target.

If it's AoE, Quency will perish.

If it's ST, XLud will perish.

[exotic forum]

yeah ain't happening, would rather still use rh/alice/mod as dps over using tons of resources on quency just for water weak

[brave socket]

@old forge lmao I'm watching your Convo in main cord. I gave up , it's like talking to a wall

[acoustic field]

That's up to you.

[brave socket]

Too many people think like that

[simple dock]

xlud won't be obsolete for a long time

[acoustic field]

I am just saying peak performance is ELE team.

[brave socket]

Apparently

[simple dock]

cuz she's not selfish dps

[acoustic field]

Aka strongest but also comfiest CP deficit pushers.

Are ELE teams with 70-90%+ ELE.

[exotic forum]

that's not practical bc of the resources needed

a single well built ele dps slotted into a generalist campaign team sure, I do that sometimes

[acoustic field]

Ein was not a true campaign pusher.

Cindy is the true one but she has problems.

Now, we have full complete set for Elemental Campaign.

Already.

[fallen quartz]

Guys, a new cd-key just drop... Right when cd-key-channel is not WORKING!!

[acoustic field]

• Fire: Asuka Alice (+ Modernia)
• Water: Emilia + XLud Quency or XLud + Quency
• Iron: RH + Maxwell (or Alice)
• Electric: Cindy + SAnis (+ Ein)
• Wind: SBS + Alice

It is now complete.

[fallen quartz]

ShiftUp, really?!

[fallen quartz]

Alice, a sus bunny.

[acoustic field]

What key.

[dusty shuttle]

Lul, Shotgun team can wait some more

[shrewd bloom]

I still feel like we need a new wind DPS that could buff SBS like alice does while also being in element

[fallen quartz]

you are a veteran player, you know where to check

[acoustic field]

There is none

[exotic forum]

cd key channel works wdym

it's just somewhere else