[Cinderella] New Unit Megathread

[agile pilot]

they should give us apologems at this rate 😂

[maiden thicket]

btw @toxic wren

[toxic wren]

#lore-archive #nikke-spoiler-chat

another mod and u wouldve been muted
be careful guys pls

[wooden roost]

i was spoiled

[toxic wren]

shoo

[wooden roost]

i didnt read the story yet

[maiden thicket]

[elder pier]

there wasnt much in the pic to spoil

[simple dock]

3 copies in exactly 300 pulls

very average

[molten oak]

pls not spoilers in nerd thread

[brave socket]

oh so they are already aware of the second bug

didnt knew there was another one or that patch was up already

lol

they fixed first one omega fast so I guess same thing with the second

[molten oak]

they know this is happening during solo raid

so they have to run really fast

[elder pier]

they said next ver update

so like after anni?

[topaz rampart]

and after solo raid fuk it

[toxic wren]

next ver update is xmas

[elder pier]

fuck lol

[toxic wren]

im pretty sure they mean that theyll give a patch soon to fix current problems

[simple dock]

cindy is not helping me get past mc

but its okay tbh

[elder pier]

first one said patch

but not the new one

i think they are straight up gonna redo the weapon instead fo just tweaking some stat values

[topaz rampart]

the flying arc to big i think

[toxic wren]

Wait I shouldn't pin this here

[topaz rampart]

just make it beam. that will be ezier

[brave socket]

but it will be too late if it's next version lol

[molten oak]

mfkrs they are playing with our dreams

[simple dock]

next version will be hilarious

[trail vigil]

hmmmm

[brave socket]

maybe they say this because it will need a new app update

nbot only a patch

[trail vigil]

dun think imma fk with mast

[brave socket]

but it wont be next week

for starters next week there should be no new version update

lol

[topaz rampart]

not for solo raid for sure

[brave socket]

so I doubt they take 2 weeks for this

[brave socket]

not ready for solo raid ? I would say otherwise lol

it's one of the reasons to pull for her

[topaz rampart]

thats not what i mean

[brave socket]

oh

[topaz rampart]

i mean solo raid worn't get cindy fixed

[elder pier]

does behemoth even have core?

[brave socket]

yeah but there's the rest of the game too lol

havent they pushed small app updates sometimes

[simple dock]

doesnt it cost money or something to push a store update?

[topaz rampart]

die too fast, need to use alice shoot everywhere try to find out

[simple dock]

dont worry if they rework it, at best she will stay at the relatively same power level

otherwise truck kun will be use

[weary cedar]

They're banking rn

[strange quiver]

I think no

[simple dock]

it's not, but you need to wait for store review

[brave socket]

besides it would be 3 weeks not 2

too much time lol

and by the time its fixed she's gone

they should want to fix this asap

tbh I feel like this bug wont impact sales much because a lot of people wont even realize

but still

[simple dock]

it's a bug that directly affect the main selling point of the anni

word of mouth will make sure it's heard

[brave socket]

not so many people use game communities

it's a fallacy often know that reddit discord etc is a little %

of the game community of any game

[simple dock]

the one banking the game - JP bros, will definitely care though

[toxic wren]

I wish Cindy had burst generation

This is so unfair

Why is she an RL with so low burst generation

[maiden thicket]

@toxic wren This is a buff right ? They're fixing core hit problem?

[toxic wren]

I hope they meant next patch
And not version update

Otherwise next version update is after 5 weeks from now

[simple dock]

https://twitter.com/NIKKE_en/status/1851987903712530465

GODDESS OF VICTORY: NIKKE (@NIKKE_en) on X

【October 31 Update Notice】

Commanders,

We conducted an update on October 31, 21:00~ 23:00 (UTC+9). Updated resources will be loaded after you log into the game again. The update includes the following changes:

1. Optimized Cinderella's normal attacks having difficulty of

Twitter · Oct 31, 2024, 2:01 PM

[molten oak]

they are over burning the kitchen

[simple dock]

is it fixed now?

[molten oak]

no, they made another bug

xd

[simple dock]

oh lols

[molten oak]

bugged or not she still hit like a truck

[simple dock]

they drop the version update like immediately

[toxic wren]

Version update means your launcher is updated

Patch means data is download ingame only

[wooden roost]

cant hit like a truck if you miss all the shots

[toxic wren]

Cindy won't miss now

She just core hits less the nearer the enemies are to you

[molten oak]

she's not missing hits

[wooden roost]

I havent been following much, is she still cooked if the boss is really close?

[molten oak]

she's drunker launcher

[toxic wren]

Not cooked, don't worry she is still good

[molten oak]

DL

[toxic wren]

Ok bossing

She is
Good
As fuck

[wooden roost]

so her optimal is mid-long

[toxic wren]

On campaign
She is
Good I guess

[molten oak]

pvp?

[dark lotus]

Is it just me or is it jus fuckin impossible to core hit with Cindy now

[wooden roost]

Would be nice to have a summary of issues pinned in here

and whether they have been fixed

[toxic wren]

In my opinion Cindy in campaign uhh

Emilia, but without burst gen. Instead she has a good single target damage from her nuke.

[simple dock]

she's close to sbs more then emil

[toxic wren]

Situational for campaign overall

SS LD, S HD, SSS Boss, SS PvP

[toxic wren]

Uhh no

SBS is better

[elder pier]

#1299716154125713549 message

[elder pier]

shes has big AoE now atleast

[simple dock]

yippie thanks

[toxic wren]

If there is a complaint thread against her performance in campaign

Then make sure to mention that she has shit burst gen

[lavish bridge]

good in pvp now or still shit?

[fallen quartz]

Wait, increase AoE of normal atk, to normal range? or they literally add more range?

[deft obsidian]

Radius 50 to 400

Speed from 1000 to 1500

[lavish bridge]

normal attack

[fallen quartz]

Oh, so they not only fix the bug, but also buff AoE range

[deft obsidian]

"Fix the bug"

[fallen quartz]

yeah

Speed, like atk spd?

or projectile spd?

[agile pilot]

all of these wouldn't happen if the boolets fly like regular rockets

[queen nebula]

Tried to be fancy

didn't work out too well

[fallen quartz]

more like if SU took Cinder more seriously

her normal atk need specific codes to work with, basically SU have to built a new atk only for Cinder.

not just slap RL's generic atk on Cinder and called it a day

[deft obsidian]

Projectile speed

[fallen quartz]

nice

So her base atk spd is the same, but bullet now fly faster

[deft obsidian]

It improved her performance at far range

but broke her near range entirely

[fallen quartz]

and still fuck her at medium to close range

SU can easily fix it with 'accelerate' function

[modest patio]

Checking in 5 hours later. Have they announced patch fix for new cindy bug?

[wooden roost]

@toxic wren ty for the pin

[molten oak]

so this happen if SU try to introduce a "new weapon"

[marsh moss]

is rouge good to go with cindy?

[molten oak]

idk mine is 7/4/4

[maiden thicket]

okay this might be tough

[modest nest]

Hesy?

[gloomy quartz]

so cindy is still borked even after the update?

[wooden roost]

[wooden roost]

pins

[gloomy quartz]

harran

😂

man

if su can spend 1% of gacha skin income on hiring a programmer or two

[clear yacht]

nice team! If I don't have Ein yet, is Scarlet a good substitute?

[trail vigil]

yea

Im also Einless

the fking school kids all avoid me

[clear yacht]

sweet, thanks, just needed confirmation

[maiden thicket]

no

[fallen quartz]

how dare you question capitalism

[livid barn]

Their 1% is brutal

[fallen quartz]

#1301398523882901550 message

Mirror is far, so yeah

[inland slate]

Charge speed is pretty much worthless on Cindy right?

[fallen quartz]

yes

[inland slate]

pepe sad with black line charge speed

[silver owl]

compare that to other gacha standard 1% ssr rate tho lol

but what they lack in chance they make up for in hard pity

[inland slate]

230 pulls 0 Cindy. Had to pity

[fallen quartz]

^

Luckily that this time, both units don't need MLB

it doesn't scale well on them.

[trail vigil]

still mlb them

[sullen forum]

cindy lobby hot tho

[trail vigil]

^

[fallen quartz]

ew, MLB bugs.

[clear yacht]

sex appeal meta

[sullen forum]

tbh I was going to spark and pass

but I did a 10 pull and got her

so I said why not

[trail vigil]

look i mlb srosa and had to put her down today

still worth

[fallen quartz]

I got her after 140 pulls

[inland slate]

I mean srosa still has uses no?

Pairs with Ssakura at least

[sullen forum]

||mlb at 100||

[trail vigil]

i dont even use her with srosa

when another dist unit comes along then il skill her up again maybe

[inland slate]

Aside from crown, who else would you pair her with?

Or you drop invesment in ssakura too

[fallen quartz]

Either generic meta support comp

[trail vigil]

i left my investment in ssakura

[fallen quartz]

or MaxHP comp Rogue/2B/Cinder/Mast/flex

[trail vigil]

she still usefull

[inland slate]

Where Rem

[trail vigil]

imma aboutto test her

see if i should finally reset her as well

[fallen quartz]

Rem buff Cinder, but not working with MaxHP comp

[maiden thicket]

wait

there's a 2mb update

[inland slate]

Treasure Lap/Rouge/Cindy/Rem/Flex?

[maiden thicket]

@toxic wren

[inland slate]

RL team?

(I’m coping)

[trail vigil]

they could have made cindy water

but they were like nah hold phantom and quincy

nvm rem is useless

do even need to test this

[fleet topaz]

why would u think he pilot my account

[inland slate]

I should just reset Rem too shouldnt i

[agile pilot]

cindy being electric is good because electric has busted supports but not enugh real good boss dps

[trail vigil]

imma wait till new year to reset rem

[modest nest]

I saw 521

[trail vigil]

(coping so hard rn)

[modest nest]

thought yours

[fleet topaz]

im 557 just pop some boxes to 561 ||just bcs i wanna upgrade my pilg recycle||

[agile pilot]

whelpat

[silver owl]

true but water tho

no good dps(besides x.lud and quency) and what support does water even have

[fallen quartz]

Crowd

[silver owl]

almost forgot quency

still salty I didn't pull her

[fallen quartz]

Both are fucked when boss hide cores

[silver owl]

...true

[fallen quartz]

all bosses expose cores, but some hide it longer than others

[silver owl]

and x.lud has fps issues due to being mg

water is suffering

[trail vigil]

hmm rem is fine with cindy

just like wat other rl u gonna run

blanc does a better job

[wooden roost]

for cindy it is

[inland slate]

Is she tho, is she really

[trail vigil]

like she is 4th option

u can build way better teams

[north marsh]

What's the difference between "Activates when entering Burst Skill Stage 3" and "Activates when entering Full Burst"?

[crude oasis]

Stage is before unit tries to execute the burst skill

[north marsh]

So like as soon as the burst is available to be activated?

[crude oasis]

So when meter is full, that’s Burst Skill Stage 1. Use Liter, now it’s Burst Skill Stage 2. Use Crown, now it’s Burst Skill Stage 3.

Yep

[north marsh]

interesting

[crude oasis]

Meaning before Cinderella uses her Burst Skill.

Or, even, the other B3 does, like Red Hood using her Burst Skill (for B3)

It’s a way to make sure Cinderella has the buff up before she nukes with burst

Which is cool

[north marsh]

So you need to be careful you don't hold burst on her or her buffs might peter out before you burst

[crude oasis]

Anyways once a B3 finally uses burst skill, it becomes Full Burst

Yep

10 seconds of converting HP to ATK for Cinderella

[oak cargo]

Oh the update just fixed cindy

Anyone hitting better?

[crude oasis]

I am. Just now tried her in General Tower climb. The accuracy is much better, I’m not flinging shots into the void

[oak cargo]

Niceee

[crude oasis]

I replaced Modernia with her and immediately killed slower, but I now can beat the stages instead of losing

Before I’d replace with her and lose stage

[oak cargo]

So they just fix her aiming no extra juicy number buff?

[crude oasis]

Yeah

She still hits pathetically weak when team isn’t reaching burst stage 3, and once full burst ends

Because conversion is down after full burst

[oak cargo]

Lol darn i coped she got some ape buff. She hit the packed together raptures like wet noodles

[crude oasis]

Basically the more often your team reaches burst skill stage 3… the happier she is

[subtle oxide]

S. Mary to some extent

[oak cargo]

Thinking: Crown-Naga-Cindy-Rouge-Anis for MC c32

But dont know if sanis can take advantage of naga

Wouldnt bother fixing ein now

[molten oak]

maxwell instead of naga?

idk

[oak cargo]

But cindy fixed

And MW buff atk, only for sanis mostly

[strange quiver]

Ein instead of naga?

[oak cargo]

Ed higher on cindy

[oak cargo]

I just dont want to fix ein if possible alternative exists

Grave is waiting in the queue

[molten oak]

ein is a better scarlet

why dont fix her

[crude oasis]

Huh

I just tried Winggirl Cinderella

Red Hood finished the stage assassinating a wave boss

57m dmg

[oak cargo]

With the fix Cindy maybe good contender for neutral picks for AI bosses now

[fallen quartz]

#1299716154125713549 message

fixed yet?

[crude oasis]

And Cinderella did 54m dmg without bursting

So some potential there since she doesn’t need to burst to gain the hp to atk conversion

And Cinderella burst is purely a nuke, there are no buffs she’s missing out on

[queen nebula]

Is it a good nuke?

[crude oasis]

Makes you wonder if maybe Ein + Summer Anis with Cinderella winggirl has a chance instead of trying Cinderella + Ein with Summer Anis winggirl

It is, very good

[queen nebula]

for boss or mooks?

[crude oasis]

So kinda stabbing myself trying this

Both

[oak cargo]

scarlet not ded yet, none replace her for her gun and Instant swipe combo
Which is crucial in some hard walls

[queen nebula]

I tried during Mother Whale but it doesn't kill all the enemies in a wave

[crude oasis]

Oh because the first one is actually capped to 10 hits, each random targeting

The second part of her burst is full AoE I think but it’s weaker than the 10 hits landing on same target

RIP I misremembered

She’s just straight up capped to up to 10 targets

Potentially less if RNG

[crude oasis]

Basically she’s not fit for clearing Mother Whale waves with her own AoE

The way Sequentially works is if each burst’s random targeting would kill the target, it changes targets after using up a hit

So with 10, if it kills every enemy one by one, it looks like she just AoE blew up 10

But if in the middle there’s a long lived enemy that won’t die easily, it could look like she only AoE nuked half the screen

so, RIP

[queen nebula]

Does this mean she can attack an enemy 10 times with this burst?

[crude oasis]

Yes

[molten oak]

what fix she's still barely hitting the core

[queen nebula]

Does seem to ignore projectiles unlike Scarlet's AOE

[molten oak]

[crude oasis]

6,829% final atk nuke plus bonus from Beautiful against a lone boss, yep

[elder pier]

The fixed the 2nd bug already?

[molten oak]

no

[elder pier]

Oh

[crude oasis]

What 2nd bug?

[molten oak]

boss near cindy 0 core hits

[crude oasis]

oof

[oak cargo]

Is that why i cant hit kraken hard w cindy

Tentacle too close

[maiden thicket]

Guys dont forget to buy this

[queen nebula]

You crazy?

[molten oak]

damn, free dmg

[oak cargo]

Wait its real meta to buy them now

Next unit scale on def

[chilly kernel]

I'll take my chance with re-energy conversion

[molten oak]

what's next?

soline suicide squad bug?

[wooden nova]

Neutral, Alice (Full OL, 101%CS, ELE, ATK) VS Cindy (NO OL, PHASE 1 PURPLE DOLL, 10/8/10) bruh

Idk how to compare but

[dusky niche]

is Alice auto?

[wooden nova]

Yes alice auto, same with cindy

I'll try manual tho

[wheat vault]

hey

does cindy's decoy stop her from getting stunned by sentry?

[wooden nova]

Why do you ask

[dusky niche]

For a better understanding of the numbers

[modest nest]

if you run them on neutral

listing ele will change what?

[wooden nova]

Idk

im dumb lol

🤣

[oak cargo]

Cindy in MC now

[maiden thicket]

Nice name

Butayaro

[wheat vault]

yaro means what? fucking?

fucking pig?

[maiden thicket]

A fat pig guy

[frigid pumice]

Damn that frame

[waxen cedar]

So... What are the best OL's for her?

[trail vigil]

ele ammo

[hoary valve]

Is it worth keeping attack lines on her given its so diluted

[wooden roost]

pins?

[crude oasis]

It’s worth, imo

[waxen cedar]

Had no idea they could be checked in the phone

[crude oasis]

Mainly because her kit keeps her from finding other to be better than atk, not because atk is so awesome

For her at least

Ideal is in the range of x4 ele dmg, x4 atk, xN max ammo, xN charge dmg or crit rate

But you can be forgiven if you had less atk lines

[hoary valve]

Makes sense thanks

[crude oasis]

Scarlet gets eaten alive by the highest-atk targeting (Scarlet easily becomes highest ATK after stacking her selfbuff). So you’ll probably find that she keeps getting killed. Not sure if the healing can keep up, maybe with SR doll to reduce dmg taken, but I have doubts.

I’m also not sure I’d throw in the doll in the hopes of changing the situation, I’d refuse to because I fear being disappointed in the outcome

[copper ice]

Btw i just came back did they address the missing core when boss is close up in your face?

[crude oasis]

I heard no

But her overall accuracy improved tons, just not up close because of how her missiles jump out left and right instead of straight forward

[copper ice]

i hope is a bug and not intentional

[hoary valve]

Oh also are there any breakpoints for Max ammo or is it just a nice to have thing

[frigid pumice]

Definitely an oversight cause how the bullet tracks

Tbhs just let it shoot straight

Lol

I don't mind it if it looks like you're shooting like RH burst is still unique

[brave socket]

they already updated the known issues , it's a bug

[wooden roost]

@lavish bridge #1301590711543660615 message

[crude oasis]

I’m not sure about precise breakpoint but if you find your Cinderella reloading every time team is in full burst, that’s basically a significant loss because Cinderella does the most damage during that 10 seconds. She’s literally wet noodle tier outside of that window starting from when team reaches Burst Skill Stage 3 (which is before activating a B3 burst, but team is ready to)

[wooden roost]

its over

someone snitched

[crude oasis]

Snitched what?

Oh rofl

Huh

Maybe I accidentally triggered it? Damn

Could be why my Cinderella doubled Ein dmg vs Behemoth

[molten oak]

[trail vigil]

no this is fine >.>

[wooden roost]

wdym its fine

[trail vigil]

that it doesnt get fixed

[simple dock]

Dang I should've rolled for SAnis huh

[hazy sedge]

cindy better than sbs?

[visual urchin]

Ill hear often that Cindy deals more than sbs

[simple dock]

what's people's comps with her? I forgot how to teambuild in this game

I forgot what everyone does actually

[hazy sedge]

i just put her in regular teams lol

like liter+crown+naga+flex

[trail vigil]

crown naga cindy rouge sanis is fun

[simple dock]

so not much has changed

quit during EVA and the new nikke banners to stop myself from using up resources before anni, so sadly missed the newcomers

[zenith jewel]

sania
rouge
pensive ofc I don't have them

[simple dock]

at least rouge isn't limited yeah?

and benis isnm seasonal so always a next time

[queen nebula]

Benis?

[simple dock]

Anis

[brave socket]

pins

[oak cargo]

Ohhh aoe improvement

Exactly what i need now

[radiant pendant]

Is Rouge gonna be the B1 to pair with Cinderella?

[pliant plover]

yes

[acoustic field]

😦

[toxic wren]

If I keep it 100% real, still shit

[wind cloak]

Does having Cinderella at mlb have a significant difference in dps?

[acoustic field]

Lets talk about investment.

Defender is 66.7%, Support is 83.3%, and Attacker is 100%.

[toxic wren]

Why not talk about it secretly

[acoustic field]

How much was Cindy HP to ATK again?

How much %?

No, the actual value.

Relative to her ATK.

[toxic wren]

Oh you're back?

She's good in campaign now bro

They increased her splash radius and apparently the reason she was bad was that she was straight UP MISSING ALL HER SHOTS

Now she hits her shots but the nearer the enemy is the worse she core hits

Try her out now
You will see

[acoustic field]

Ok, so 55.31% caster's ATK from SAnis => 69.131% defender's ATK at similar investments.

[toxic wren]

Some difference

On the same tribe tower stage

No

Still worse in campaign

But not that worse

One tier below sbs

[wind cloak]

Oh I see

[inland slate]

Hard to beat SBS

[toxic wren]

Not really

[acoustic field]

So, Cindy's ATK equals to:

• Her Base Stats: 100%
• Her Kit: ? + ?
• SAnis: 69.131% from caster's ATK

[toxic wren]

She beats SBS in bossing

[acoustic field]

Give me the answer.

[inland slate]

My OL rng has been awful.

[acoustic field]

ANSWER MEEEE.

If on PC, pls help me look up.

In this chat.

Can't search.

AGHHHHH.

DISCORD WHERE IS SEARCH IN THREADS.

U MORON DEVS.

[inland slate]

F in chat for search

[acoustic field]

No, I need her stats.

Her stats then.

[inland slate]

Did sky post his video yet?

[acoustic field]

Your S2 Level 7? What % Max HP up is that?

[toxic wren]

What do u need

[toxic wren]

nikke.gg/Cinderella or smthng

[slate apex]

yes

[inland slate]

Thanks, time to go listen, stuck at work so I hadn’t checked

[wind cloak]

My current slots on cindy, oof

[oak cargo]

Opps

On the bright side its easy to fix

[wind cloak]

Yeah, gotta reroll all on the first 3 pieces

I'm out of rocks atm

[inland slate]

Know that feel

[rancid siren]

does she effect campaign in anyway ive got the meta campaign team rn

[toxic wren]

What team is it

For electric weak, Cindy is pretty good

[shrewd bloom]

[rancid siren]

crown,liter,redhood,modernia,naga
i think

i use alice instead of naga though cause she busted investment wise for me

[quaint badge]

120 pulls for 1 cinderella, not bad, got liter dupe and laplace dupe in the process

[lavish bridge]

oopsie

[crude oasis]

vs Tribe Tower 830F Mirror Container boss battle

Supports Rouge being goat

[lavish bridge]

i made an oopsie earlier then i said liter is around the same as rouge

that's obviously false

thanks @acoustic field

[crude oasis]

Cinderella has more accuracy shooting, fewer stray shots - it should help

But idk if they fixed core hitting accuracy

[toxic wren]

She is actually hitting shots now, you don't understand

[crude oasis]

And idk if they fixed charge dmg bug

[toxic wren]

Also, check pin

[delicate talon]

they should just copy pasta laplaces beam code onto cinderella

lol

[crude oasis]

Oh would you say Mirror Container core is medium range?

If so then I surely benefited from it today, I’d probably be pulling out my hair yesterday

Blasphemy

[toxic wren]

It's far range because snipers can get bonus

Check.
Pin.

You will want to read it

Oh do you alrdy know about harran bug

I thought you missed it

[lavish bridge]

i still have her core hit rate at 50%

btw

[toxic wren]

I think I can only think of chatterbox and GD as a near enough boss where she wouldn't core hit

[lavish bridge]

but should just wait till the later patch to fix it again

[crude oasis]

Wait does this bug mean

Harran is bugged again?

[lavish bridge]

it's the harran bug

[elder pier]

no cindy has the bug

[lavish bridge]

not on harran , but on cindy

[crude oasis]

RIP

[lavish bridge]

they're 100% gonna fix this lol

[unborn stump]

Does the full charge bug apply when Cindy is holding the charge for the very first attack or does her auto counts since it displayed full charge number?

[lavish bridge]

her auto count

[toxic wren]

Both count

[unborn stump]

JFC

Harran bug but on steroid

They're definitely going to patch this

[toxic wren]

Nuh uh

Intended design

[unborn stump]

But I don't think it'd come too soon since they'll probably need to brainstorm the compensating patch

Like make her projectile not fucking pepega

at close range

[crude oasis]

Solo Raid going to be borked if it’s not fixed before Challenge rankings

[elder pier]

100 gem cd key expires in 1 minute

[unborn stump]

Basically Cinderella gets the best team to maximize the harran bug output lmao

[lavish bridge]

everyone have her + the bug is not missable sooooo

technically its still fair game

[crude oasis]

Sorta, for example what if I used Ein with Cinderella and spammed shots Ein throughout whole fight? Then I’d not trigger the bug

[unborn stump]

Crown/Liter/Cinderella/Ein/SAnis

[crude oasis]

And that’s assuming I was clueless about it

[unborn stump]

or is there better comp to maximize Cinderella's potential?

Rouge needs investment iirc

[lavish bridge]

no as long as you didnt just reload right before burst u not gonna miss it

[noble cipher]

Probably. The issue is just that no one probably has Cinderella's optimal supports developed

[lavish bridge]

rouge good

[noble cipher]

so it's just easier to slot her into whatever optimal team exists, rather than invest in a bunch of new supports

[lavish bridge]

just go rouge 10 7 10

[unborn stump]

Mine's 10/10/10 but not MLB

Only grabbed a single copy of her

So yeah

Probably gonna stick with Liter

[lavish bridge]

that doesnt matter

lmao

gain from dupe is like

pathetic

for SR anyways

for campaign there maybe issue with CP

[oak cargo]

so this comp kinda lower Mc difficulty by 21 syncs

i want to know the Exia variant of it

looking for cindy exia cook

[toxic wren]

Exia crown Cinderella rouge s.anis ?

Test it out

[oak cargo]

Yes

Just restart her charge to break

[oak cargo]

Not sure id this can get another 21 sync down

461 still the land of exia ein sanis naga

[toxic wren]

[molten oak]

[toxic wren]

It's pretty obvious this would've been the best

[molten oak]

Fixing my sanis and Cindy I guess I can try stage 9

[sand trellis]

What is the harran bug?

[unborn stump]

You withhold your burst until your charge bar is full

Then unleash it for maximum devastation

Problem with Cindy is, if you have succifient OL Max Ammo, you can leave it to auto and it'll keep triggering whenever she bursts

[oak cargo]

Not peak confirmation
Its like Asuka is good but peak is still alice

[unborn stump]

Whereas Harran bug needs manual handling

Due to how Glass Slippers work

[sand trellis]

OH is that why my 77 ammo cindy with bastion cube is just absolutely pissing on everything

[unborn stump]

Cindy just need to fire the first laser and her auto counts as max charge

[toxic wren]

Her damage should be higher than SBS so dw

She was just missing shots

[toxic wren]

?

No it doesnt

[molten oak]

now she can't hit the core when the rapture is near

[unborn stump]

As in the old one

[molten oak]

[sand trellis]

so are they gonna fix this one or leave it be

[rigid cosmos]

so what are the best OL lines for cindy?

[sand trellis]

since anyone can technically do it

[unborn stump]

Old Harran bug needs manual holding of your trigger to keep it at max before hitting the burst

Cinderella doesn't need that

Does Rouge's Max HP buff affects the decoy?

[molten oak]

Naga is the comfy run

I can stage 7 without clicking

[toxic wren]

Exia crown Ein s.anis Rouge

[molten oak]

Ein Rouge sanis*

Rouge in p4

[toxic wren]

Well she can't fit in unless you can somehow properly manual exia for burst grn

Exia crown Cindy s.anis Rouge

Highest lvl cube

[toxic wren]

Rouge p4

[sand trellis]

Hey I got a dumb question maybe

I heard you can level cubes past 10 now

What does it actually do? Do the ability levels increase?

[toxic wren]

#questioning-centre

[toxic wren]

Pins

[oak cargo]

Exia comp is for mc c32

Exia peak there

MC if s7 without naga, need a bit of luck and investment

[crude oasis]

I’m happy with Cinderella, good unit

[molten oak]

Just roll 90 ele and boss becomes easy

[crude oasis]

Doesn’t overturn anything but with the good OLs I somehow got on her, even at just MLB competing with MCB other Pilgrims, she’s effective Electric character

[lavish bridge]

ah

[crude oasis]

That’s literally the same comp I just used in tower climb vs Mirror Container. I also tried other teams.. looks like we agree on the same team

[gloomy laurel]

Ein still usable, yesss

[crude oasis]

But the charge dmg bug affecting Cinderella burst is screwing with this

Idk if it’ll stay as good after fix

[crude oasis]

Required, cuz you need burst gen somehow. Gotta spam on Ein to get burst gen

[lavish bridge]

ill prob 10 7 10 rouge

[crude oasis]

Cinderella is SMG level trash burst gen

[crude oasis]

Or so it felt to me…

[lavish bridge]

she is lmao

my cindy finally 15% ele

[gloomy laurel]

elemental is worth more than attack

unless its pvp

[molten oak]

Yeah for pvp Cindi needs attack

Nah she could work attacking

[oak cargo]

better now Pog fix

[molten oak]

Anyway this is my stage 7 MC

Sanis 40 ele 30 atk, Cindy 90 ele 100 ammo no atk

[oak cargo]

Cindy offer "comfy" s7 mc run here

[molten oak]

R doll

No need pause scum

If I fix my units I'm sure that I can stage 9

Need lucky

And Sr doll 15 maybe

Something like sacrifice naga and try Maxwell there

Idk

[lavish bridge]

[toxic wren]

ein ofcourse

?

what kinda question is that

[oak cargo]

if u want lowball both sync AND cp, this

lowball sync is harder

how to fit cindy here

actually lowball sync need core to compensate for cp

[toxic wren]

upping ein is definitely better imo

[lavish bridge]

clearable or too low cp?

[oak cargo]

clearable, u are in that cp range already

sync checked, cp checked

[lavish bridge]

maybe i do maxwell instead of Sanis

oh sanis give ein brbrbr tho

and give cindy more atk

nvm

headphones on
effect off
lock in

[simple dock]

bro how

i cant even one tap the slippers in full burst

[silver owl]

you mald then

[simple dock]

ein

[agile pilot]

I think they won't fix the harran bug
at least before SR ends

to keep the momentum going. Nobody wants unexpected "nerfs" ruining sales

[sullen forum]

is she really worth 10-10-10

I feel like s2 at 10

is kinda troll

would you say reroll more

[oak cargo]

such a tricky situation, need ammo somewhere before touching the ammo atk piece

[sullen forum]

maybe I blind rerol lthe ele charge damage one

[agile pilot]

I almost forgot rogue increases everyone's HP

[sullen forum]

but only 3 rocks

[agile pilot]

in addition to the attack damage

[sullen forum]

[oak cargo]

better wait a bit more to cover rng

too close for comfort, sbs better neutral here

[sullen forum]

was doing the easy stages of sr and man she is op

ein bursted first too

[lavish bridge]

my ein did 1 damage to the slipper

gg

[oak cargo]

wtf

[oak cargo]

I lied about the range

Prolly few 30-50k more

[toxic wren]

hayde is lowest clear?

[stoic storm]

I feel like this is probably the better play anyway so Ein can set up her feathers while Cinderella is building beauty stacks?

[oak cargo]

Until nalaniko catch up

[toxic wren]

only if he c7 cindy, i think he skipped ein??

or did he not

[oak cargo]

Idk

[lavish bridge]

honestly looks clearable at 501 for me
which is +2 months

win

[oak cargo]

Wym try again later

Cindy need to clear before 501

[lavish bridge]

that's assuming i fix my ein and cindy OL before 501 lol

[toxic wren]

u should use liter

[lavish bridge]

i am

[toxic wren]

over rouge

oh

then time liter buff

[oak cargo]

He didnt fix his ein yet

Cant fully utilize Liter

[toxic wren]

ohok

[lavish bridge]

my ein only 38% ele

[toxic wren]

why not ditch ein

use alice

or rh

increased cp too

[lavish bridge]

[toxic wren]

try it, trust the process

[lavish bridge]

i already on it

[toxic wren]

oh

[oak cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/changli-changli-wuthering-waves-wuthering-waves-anime-game-gif-2287157062006487767

[toxic wren]

omg changli

[lavish bridge]

yeah this looks clearable at 501

me happy

no need to clear it now

[oak cargo]

im also try to fix my ein, 2 pieces with ed at below 10%

[sullen forum]

good roll

0.29% cs is huge

[crude oasis]

“What have you done with your rocks today?”

• “Sacrificed my lifetime of happiness for 0.29% more charge speed”

[lavish bridge]

that's a horrible screenshot lel

but got to 50% HP by the 2nd qte

and able to break all 4 glasses now

[sullen forum]

I don't know how different hard would be but in my case in norm I had to deal 70-75% before the firrst qte

because even when you can break slippers

your dps goes downhill

[simple dock]

im at 100k

my ein has about 70-80 ed

cant do shit

[fossil hatch]

Does cinderalle benefit from charge speed or charge damage

[sullen forum]

cs on the first shot only

charge damage on every auto

[fluid bone]

charge speed barely but charge damage atm yes big time because she's bugged

[sullen forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299716154125713549/1301337680004644915/image.png?ex=6724c568&is=672373e8&hm=5860adc19cc3449185e5ea84e9157aa84ebb8c814c8264d86dd738992a6726de&

accoding to calcs crit rolls are better than charge damage roll

but both negligible

[fluid bone]

is that including the bug

[sullen forum]

left to right is roll tier

so black line crit is worse than t1 attack

uh

no idea tbh

but this was day 1 calc

[fluid bone]

probably not then

[lime valve]

[fossil hatch]

Ok thx

[covert fossil]

So what teams are y’all using for MC AI now?

[crude oasis]

Two of the colors are kinda samey, hard to distinguish

[fluid bone]

charge damage is the lowest assuming charge bug gets fixed

as always ele > atk > then crit rate/crit damage > charge damage

[agile pilot]

rogue/anis/ein/cindy/crown is getting the spotlight atm

[oak cargo]

bigger number means good

[visual urchin]

How does Cinderella perform in Vigor and onslaughter? Please respond with ping

[primal inlet]

Is cinder's charge bug always in effect cause she's pretty much always at max charge before bursting

unless she somehow has to reload beforehand?

[crude oasis]

RIP, I have two charge damage OLs... but that's okay

I'll wait to see what happens after the fix, and whether I can even muster enough care about it

[fluid bone]

I think you should be fine

you had 4 ele iirc

[crude oasis]

Yep, one of the best set of OLs

[fluid bone]

that's really the biggest thing to get on her honestly

[crude oasis]

I mean, for the rocks I used, and am able to play her without feeling like I'm gimp

Yep

[crude oasis]

If you manual her yes, the bug is when you're manualing I think

Meaning the character you're controlling, needs to be fully charged and ready?

[vital panther]

How is cinde on PVP?

Wondering how that RL machine gun does.

[crude oasis]

So if you're on Cinderella doing this, if she's not reloading or charging up, it's in effect

[primal inlet]

She's always at full charge pretty much though

[crude oasis]

But if you're on say Crown shooting, idk if it'll count

It's something I'm not clear on

[primal inlet]

But Harran before when ever she shoots her charge gets reset

I see

[heavy scaffold]

so core miss is gonna be fixed and harran bug is remaining?

[wheat vault]

ew momo is green

[primal inlet]

I'm pretty sure it's just if her charge is maxed

It's like Harrans, but Harran u had to manual her since every shot she takes, charge resets cause sniper

But if that's the case

the dmg drop off without bug is huge

[crude oasis]

I guess better ask someone that knows for sure how it works @toxic wren - can you detail the bug precisely? Or is it pinned? As in precise... will it work if I'm on Crown manualing? Or on Red Hood manualing? What is necessary forthe bug to have an effect?

[fluid bone]

no bug should apply as long as cinderella is charged(shooting) and not in cover/reloading

[primal inlet]

So pretty much all times

[fluid bone]

point is it takes cinderella's charge % at the time of bursting and uses it

[crude oasis]

Oh

[primal inlet]

So it's effective at all times

[fluid bone]

great bug

[primal inlet]

Like it won't be in effect one out of every 4 rotations or so

[crude oasis]

So literally, Cinderella's own charge state, nobody else, even if you're manualing another character or using auto

[primal inlet]

It's def getting patched

it's over

[primal inlet]

that's why they call it Harran bug

It's her own charge

[crude oasis]

Maybe it's intended

[primal inlet]

and they nerfed it immediately

[crude oasis]

And they never rebalanced Harran to have the same power level

[oak cargo]

[crude oasis]

So it's doubtful whether they will offset fixing this with another buff to Cinderella

[primal inlet]

Tbf iirc at the time she was still top 3 regardless of bug or not

at current state of the game

Not many ppl had OL for alice

Modernia wasn't out yet

Scarlet was still bis

Her fall off was the fact that she needed kills to stack attack

[fast kettle]

Does fps affect her fire rate much?

[grand citrus]

Oh yeah this was the Harran bug back in the day.

[sturdy lodge]

Hi, just wanna ask if there’s a “best team” for Cinderella or are people still experimenting with her?

[toxic wren]

Cinderella Rouge Ein Crown S.Anis
Is the best electric team

Crown Liter RedHood Cinderella Naga
Works for campaign

[sturdy lodge]

Alright thank you

[covert fossil]

so treasure exia no longer a part of best electric team?

[oak cargo]

A different best

[inland slate]

That’s absolutely wild…. Then tbh would just getting more ammo be better overall?

[strange quiver]

4 atk 4 ele 1 ammo

[maiden thicket]

Looks like im gonna clear MC soon @toxic wren

On my own account

[heavy scaffold]

https://youtu.be/oNSd6qT6Fnw
oh few ppl are clearing s9 MC

[simple dock]

cindy busted or?

[inland slate]

But then what else is decent filler? Like the other lines seem to do basically nothing

Charge speed is worthless essentially

More ammo = more uptime

[strange quiver]

Crit

Or ammo

[inland slate]

Charge damage and crit seem like they hardly contribute looking at the charts

[strange quiver]

I don't think you need 4 ammo

[inland slate]

Crit rate == crit damage > charge damage it seems?

[oak cargo]

thats cindy ein burst

only 500ml, a fixed ein would eat it

[primal inlet]

Is cinder without charge bug more comparable to a sbs without alice then?

Assuming they fix it

[stone urchin]

I used her and rh vs ultra

Rh is 2x dmg

Interceptio ultra

[eternal star]

HOLY MOLY just got cinderella and the damage specs are insane

does anyone have a maxed out liter and rouge that has tested which B1 is best to main her with SBS?

I retract my question. A quick search of the lab here led to more of the answers I needed to check on

I appreciate all the commanders who went through the testing and spreadsheets. Thanks!

[maiden thicket]

@toxic wren Midrella

[toxic wren]

Wtf?? You don't even need the burst gen??

[maiden thicket]

Rouge burst gen

My account has 2 titles now

Have to wait for tomorrow

[toxic wren]

[toxic wren]

Based

[toxic wren]

How much ele??

[oak cargo]

[maiden thicket]

Cindy 73% ele 46% atk

[toxic wren]

Go for MC title
This team seems easy

Wait for shino vid

[maiden thicket]

SAnis 62.26% ele 11.81% atk

SR 15 on Cindy , no doll SAnis

[toxic wren]

That atk is a lot but ele is lower than mine

[maiden thicket]

Yeah it's 4 ele but 73%

[oak cargo]

i got zero cindy from pulllll

and Ein got no ammo at all

[toxic wren]

Ditch Ein

It's time for Cindy anis

Believe

One less DPS to build

[dusky niche]

Cindy Rogue, S.Anis, Crown, Naga/Exia (Exia needs to burst nvm)

[eternal star]

I wish I had MLB'd s.anis this last summer

[oak cargo]

its not for me

[toxic wren]

[oak cargo]

idk how to break the slipper with it

[toxic wren]

With Cindy ofc

[oak cargo]

i can learn it from his vid

[heavy scaffold]

so I can ditch ein in MC AI?

[dusky niche]

seems like so

[maiden thicket]

with Rouge

[toxic wren]

Oh?

What?

How much ele and atk is your rouge?

It seems like rouge doing almost no DPS tho

[oak cargo]

depend on the "current" investment, cant just toss away 4ele ein

[maiden thicket]

1 ele

LB1 15.15% ele

Nothing else

[toxic wren]

Damn, rouge basic atk does more than Cindy basic atk?

I doubt that

[oak cargo]

cindy if no team cover u wait for the projectile to travel and u already fail

cindy if on cover then rng that she doesnt deal extra damage

[maiden thicket]

Rouge is 71,7% basic atk with 250% charge

[oak cargo]

i can kill the slipper with cindy, but then i fail on the 3rd one due to rng

[maiden thicket]

Cindy just 32.11% with 200% charge

[safe lotus]

Cindy is kinda awkward to kill slipper too, she can't do the pause trick thingy

[toxic wren]

Hmm I thought Cindy's self buffs would be enougb

Not to mention she's also getting fully ramped up rouge max hp buffs

It's much more than 133% atk now

[toxic wren]

Like what, 80% hp buffs?

[maiden thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/rule-666-rule-666-rules-666-rule-gif-532073786734371241

[stone urchin]

What does eins do

I believe I have her

[toxic wren]

Imo she doesn't need to
Crouch team and start blasting with Cindy for like 2 seconds
Not much DPS lost imo

[dusky niche]

good dps for electric-weak stages

also, Missilis tower meta

[maiden thicket]

even with tho buffs she still deals 32.11% final atk as dmg

and 200% charge

I even break slipper with Rouge off burst

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAvU_1-YLd0

[stone urchin]

What if ai dont have rogue or Sanis

[heavy scaffold]

how many skill levels are need for rogue?

[oak cargo]

i need to overload Rouge to break slipper, other condition already achieved (except the core cuz fking banner stupid)

[wide tree]

Bruh...

Cinder got no aim

[oak cargo]

so many combo to clear MC AI now

go with whichever has highest investment i guess

[heavy scaffold]

I saw

that's why I asked again

[heavy scaffold]

and the next question would be who to invest first for that

[oak cargo]

the team above

at zero investment thats the cheapest route

[heavy scaffold]

[maiden thicket]

Just get better rolls on both of them

Then you can leave Rouge at 10/7/7 or 10/7/10

Still have room for improvement tho

Cindy: 76% ED 46.54% ATK / SR Doll Lv15
SAnis: 62.26% ED 11.81% ATK / no Doll

Very worth

[heavy scaffold]

seems worth for dps

[maiden thicket]

every dolls on Pilgrim are worth

[heavy scaffold]

stats are doubled

[oak cargo]

if u have no core, thats the most approachable improvement u can get hand on

[stoic storm]

Doll stats affect base ATK right?

[maiden thicket]

You have

Bonus charge multiplier, bonus hp, bonus atk

[stoic storm]

So probably worth for casters ATK buffers too

[safe lotus]

Raon post his calc on Doll for Cindy b4 , it's 4% gain i think

[maiden thicket]

Imagine that 2nd line is Max HP up 30%

not cover's max HP

[deft obsidian]

You say immediately but it took two months

Jan 12th update that fixed majority of the release bugs

[safe lotus]

i doubt they gonna patch it , at least not during solo raid

[acoustic field]

Might as well do Rouge Crown Cindy SAnis Naga at this point

[oak cargo]

you dont choose it comes to you

[acoustic field]

Crystal chamber fucker if swap Naga with XLud?

No cus alice exists

[acoustic field]

Tf

Also why u maid now

[oak cargo]

cuz u mid

[fallen quartz]

Is this worth to exchange?

[brazen violet]

So

Apparently cindy isnt mid

And not even meta

[exotic forum]

[brazen violet]

But completely broken

[exotic forum]

at this range, almost no core hits

[brazen violet]

[exotic forum]

I thought that's mid range

[acoustic field]

U think in neutral raid Mast will take over? Or Blanc or still Crown? @maiden thicket

[maiden thicket]

No Naga for CC

[acoustic field]

Probably Blanc Maxwell?

[acoustic field]

Yes I said swap Naga with XLud

[maiden thicket]

Rouge Blanc Cindy SAnis + 1 flex

It will be an electric comp

[acoustic field]

Probably Maxwell then

[exotic forum]

do you guys even have comps capable of letting mast buff cindy

nice theoretical and all, but if mast doesn't actually buff cindy then it's pointless

[acoustic field]

Rougeless people.

ExiaTr Mast Cindy SAnis Dolla

[exotic forum]

cindy will have to have highest or second highest base atk + atk ol

[acoustic field]

Just get more copies.

[exotic forum]

well

[fallen quartz]

8% spark instantly for Cindy!!

[acoustic field]

[exotic forum]

yeah ig exia helps...

but cindy still gotta beat at least exia or sanis in atk

[acoustic field]

No, Exia will steal.

She has 110% ATK.

[exotic forum]

then gotta beat sanis at least

[acoustic field]

Just get Core 7.

Very possible.

[exotic forum]

gotta be a picky whale, whaling hard only for cindy

[acoustic field]

Just get 4 ATK OL.

SAnis is 83.33%.

Cindy is 66.67%.

[exotic forum]

sure if you wanna roll your sanis off any atk lines

[acoustic field]

At least 25% ATK OL.

SAnis should get ELE lines.