[Cinderella] New Unit Megathread

[modest nest]

S rank HD

[toxic wren]

and LD

i dont think she is S in LD either

[oak cargo]

there are like 8 or 10 of the mini snipers

she left 3 for me to clear

the fk

scarlet wouldnt do that to me

[toxic wren]

her normal atk dont do shit either

[oak cargo]

by the time the bullet hits

i already got farted on 2 times

[main eagle]

Is Cinder good?

[acoustic field]

Nah A rank

[toxic wren]

she is good on her elemental stages

[fallen quartz]

Meta elemental dmg

[acoustic field]

Yeah A rank

[toxic wren]

i can see the normal attacks doing damage

[fallen quartz]

but you also need to build her comp as well

Rogue/Mast

2B if you have her

[oak cargo]

SSS all - someone told me

[wheat vault]

is mast really that good or just coping?

[fallen quartz]

Cindy against any bullshit Electric campaign stages

[fallen quartz]

she buff Cindy

also 2B as well

[wheat vault]

yes but is it substantial enough

[toxic wren]

for 2b it is better

for cindy it is still good

i dont know if its good enough when stacking with rouge

[fallen quartz]

Also, she debuff boss

and buff critical dmg

OL critical chance is passable

[toxic wren]

no more ch24

[modest nest]

no more C32

[wheat vault]

you cleared 32?

[oak cargo]

[wheat vault]

[modest nest]

yes

in C33 now

900k cp feels great bullying those 300k cp stages

[wheat vault]

need to know if cindy>ein or exia for hard MC before going all out on her

[toxic wren]

oh btw @modest nest are u free for some math rn?

[modest nest]

which one?

[toxic wren]

:plspls:

someone removed that amazing emoji man

[acoustic field]

What comp for crystal chAmber

[modest nest]

do you believe in Lapgoat?

[acoustic field]

Oh normal mode

[modest nest]

🐐

[acoustic field]

Fuck u

[modest nest]

hmmm

[toxic wren]

hater

[fallen quartz]

First OL

[acoustic field]

Sadge

[fallen quartz]

Charge spd affect her atk spd during burst, right?

[acoustic field]

No

[toxic wren]

lets take 75 core dust per hour as the average f2p right now

[fallen quartz]

oh, it fixed?

[modest nest]

roughly 5h data = 1h core
2h data = 1h credit I think

[acoustic field]

Yeah like MG

I mean RH

[fallen quartz]

great, charge spd is useless, at least charge dmg is nice

[modest nest]

charge dmg is better than useless

too low base

[toxic wren]

75 core dust = 1.25 hour worth of core dust for: 3550000/(458,340) battle data

[modest nest]

300% charge dmg = 32% ATK more on attack lol

[acoustic field]

Just get credits

Its a scam

[toxic wren]

~7.5 hours of battle data -> ~1.25 hours of core dust or ~4.5 hours of credits

[topaz rampart]

4.5hrs of credits seems more useful on paper considering upgrading equipment also use credits

especially if yielding higher core/hour for high level hard stage clear

[heavy scaffold]

do I exchange recycle console?

[fallen quartz]

yes, but calculate how many you need for next level

[heavy scaffold]

oh there is no exhange limit

[vale forge]

i finalyl can use that 10k recycle console

[wheat vault]

it’s random

so don’t cope too hard on it

[stoic storm]

Is it even worth it

I think I'll keep hoarding

[vale forge]

better than 10k useless junk

[wheat vault]

check the probability

[stoic storm]

Might get a better exchange option in future

[wheat vault]

if it’s shown

[stoic storm]

Than some scraps of recycle shop mats that barely matter

[vale forge]

they took 2 years to add this, do you think they will add something better soon?

[lost zinc]

Can probs convert half the stash

[toxic wren]

oh yeah i need to do the pvp thing

[fallen quartz]

Champion is not opened

[stoic storm]

You could exchange your entire supply for what, +10 ATK +10 HP?

Tiny flat stat buff that is basically irrelevant by high levels

[vale forge]

well its sitting useless for 1,5 years for me and i got more than what it needed to use every 20 level so better than nothing

[fallen quartz]

each console buff give 50 flat power to per NIKKE

which mean it can add up to 250 powers on a team, when all 5 consoles get upgraded

[stoic storm]

Yeah and how much of a diffence is +250 going to be at level 400?

[fallen quartz]

2500 per 10 levels

and it keep adding

I'm missing like 100+ level of consoles

all combines btw, exclude Abnormal as I don't use them

you can already see how much powers I'm missing for ignoring upgrade consoles

[modest nest]

we are in 1m cp era soon

and you are bitching about 250 cp

[topaz rampart]

we're not below 200

[modest nest]

I don't even upgrade my OL gear anymore

just lv 0 and put it there

[stoic storm]

[topaz rampart]

only my attacker got 5/0/0/0

[modest nest]

not because my credit is empty

[fallen quartz]

I agree ATK and HP scale is not good

but the flat power add is better, at least for pushing campaigns and towers

they really need to add more stats buff for console

[stoic storm]

What they need to do is add more chips to the achievement point thing in outpost

[hazy sedge]

she equal to sbs in terms of power?

[modest nest]

they need to remove penalty

[fallen quartz]

yeah, on elemental dmg boss

outside that, SBS is still better

[hazy sedge]

i see

[stoic storm]

How does she compare to OG Scarlet?

That feels like the direct comparison

Electric B3 pilgrim (old) vs Electric B3 pilgrim (new)

[deft obsidian]

Seemed like SBS was losing in early comparisons, so not sure how that comes to be

SBS needs Alice to compare to Cindy

[stoic storm]

Meanwhile the other electric B3 pilgrim is dead in a ditch wearing a wedding dress

[arctic pagoda]

there is 4 b3 electric pilgrims

[hazy sedge]

pilgrim banners are a pain as always lol

[deft obsidian]

Inherit are fake Pilgrims

[hazy sedge]

300 pull, 0 cindy

[stoic storm]

Oh yeah Harran too

[arctic pagoda]

need isabel treasure

[hazy sedge]

so much for 1%

[stoic storm]

Just mileage

Why did you keep going after 200

[deft obsidian]

Don't worry, you'll get seven dupes on your 700th pull

[arctic pagoda]

mileage and save pulls for grave, xmas or new year

[stoic storm]

1% is scam rate

[heavy scaffold]

even 4% is a great scam

[arctic pagoda]

it should be 10%

[lime valve]

[primal inlet]

Disgusting

My RH is like 90 ED 40 attack too

[topaz rampart]

it's because its already reach 200. people be like "it can't be that bad right?"
then regret comes later
me with 1 cindy in 250

[primal inlet]

Is rogue, or liter better for Cinder

[hazy sedge]

she good on campaign? or just a staple pick against bosses?

[stoic storm]

Exia

[lime valve]

I cannot vouch for Rouge as I don't have her

[primal inlet]

Lol damn

[fallen quartz]

I mean, you use them together anyway

[primal inlet]

I tested her out on 27 hard

[fallen quartz]

Who would think about seperate Alice/SBS?

[primal inlet]

Didn't work too well tbh lol

despite chapter 27 being weak to electric

Didn't exactly mald either though

[hazy sedge]

so modernia is still the queen of campaign

[deft obsidian]

Cuz SBS needs her

[primal inlet]

I'm anti mod outside of having 3 b3 comp tbh

At least for my roster

[fallen quartz]

Mast is the best paired with Cinder?

[deft obsidian]

Mast is dead

[topaz rampart]

I only use mod if RH is the b1

[safe lotus]

according to some maffs here: Liter should be still better than Rouge (even with her max investments C7 and 10/10/10)
but in solo raid, it's ideal to use Rouge /w Cindy so Liter could be better utilized elsewhere.

[deft obsidian]

S Anis is best support for Cindy probs

[fallen quartz]

[primal inlet]

Oh yea most def, I meant in gen anyways

[oak cargo]

@safe lotus how much ed your cindy has?

[safe lotus]

90ish Elem + 30ish ATK + 1 Ammo

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-pissi-twitch-7tv-gif-7223094372649290081

[oak cargo]

[deft obsidian]

lord

[topaz rampart]

hmm, stacking cindy and Sanis will probably make the other electric team weaker

[primal inlet]

would u say any tier elem/attack is more worth than black charge dmg?

[fallen quartz]

He was kidding

SAnis have nothing to do with Cindy

Alice and SBS sync together nicely, draw out peak dps

[topaz rampart]

reload speed

[fallen quartz]

Currently there is no pair like that for Cindy

so you just throw generic support comp, or use max hp comp

[deft obsidian]

Indeed. If Cindy had a unit like that, she'd have no equal

[topaz rampart]

cindy-rouge-scar-blanc, no core damage team

[fallen quartz]

so how are you guys pull? I spent 140 pulls, got 3 trash SSR before Cinder.

[toxic wren]

overall cindy feels

disappointing

after rh and crown and sbs

[wheat vault]

you kids and your spoiled ass op units

[fallen quartz]

Well, SU is suck at making a decision

they don't get serious about MaxHP comp

[wheat vault]

back in my day, we’re forced to use n102, centi, drunklet

[fallen quartz]

none of the units feel like they are being invested to be a part of the comp.

[hazy sedge]

drunklet OP

[toxic wren]

ok old man

[stoic storm]

I mean she's a mix of tank and dps

[fallen quartz]

and CC hard stages

[stoic storm]

Any mix kit is good for newbies filling out rosters

[modest nest]

150 pulls for 1 Cind + 1 Noir
then I spent 600 tix believe she would be great for campaign

then she misses all cores

I want refund

[stoic storm]

Does hit rate even help with a RL?

[modest nest]

boss unit doesn't need cp

nope

[stoic storm]

[modest nest]

her weapon is weird

[fallen quartz]

nope

[toxic wren]

if i was rerolling, id rather get shitlet at the start than cindy

[fallen quartz]

RL always have a perfect hit

no matter what

[stoic storm]

Except Cindy apparently

[royal plinth]

So how many should I be getting?

[toxic wren]

hmm lets see

[fallen quartz]

I just unlock foot gear OL... hit rate and charge spd

fuck my luck

[modest nest]

also she's bugged

[fallen quartz]

huh?

[modest nest]

half of her dmg may disappear

[toxic wren]

scarlet

[modest nest]

on a setting

[fallen quartz]

WHAT BUGGED?!

[toxic wren]

cindy is
S-S-SSS-S/SS

actually worse unit that shitlet

[stoic storm]

Nah scarlet is awful for newbies

Health so low their poorly put together team let's her die

[toxic wren]

unreal

[modest nest]

aim assist will cause her dmg disappear

[toxic wren]

she is an anniversary unit

[fallen quartz]

Scarlet drop rate is shit too

and there is no rate up banner for her

Hmm, Grave will be better than Cinder tbh

[oak cargo]

but u got 2 pilgrims, so the anniversary power split even

[toxic wren]

grave is better than cindy wtf

[fallen quartz]

Grave deal decent dps (not meta), but buff insanely meta Fire NIKKE

not in term of dps of course

[modest nest]

dmg where?

[stoic storm]

I think I'll try pushing hard next week with

• Asuka/Grave/Rei/Modernia/RH

And see how it goes lol

[toxic wren]

me when i release powercreeps for 5 months straight and then stopon anniversary

[modest nest]

literally lose 50% dmg

[topaz rampart]

and for some insane luck, I got 13 copies of midlet
good thing she is still one of the pvp queen

[upbeat vigil]

does cindy suck?

[modest nest]

[stoic storm]

I still think Grave might be surprisingly meta

[toxic wren]

not on bossing

otherwise she does

[fallen quartz]

Almost meta

when SU finally decide to get serious about MaxHP comp

[shrewd bloom]

This sounds like some sweet apolo gems

[fallen quartz]

Cinder just need a supporter that draw out her best

[toxic wren]

i would complain tbh

[oak cargo]

i tried on Harvester pairing with xlud an hour ago, take 3 burst to break head instead of 2 with sbs

[fallen quartz]

you can get Cinder and wait for future NIKKE

[upbeat vigil]

is it time to bring back the OG gif

wheres the 27.8% gif

[topaz rampart]

I wonder what new gimmick will devs made next time, swapping def to attack??

[stoic storm]

Buff that gains a stack whenever they gain a stack of a different buff?

[toxic wren]

https://tenor.com/view/red-hood-nikke-dancing-sultanthederp-gif-11619781714330299287

redhood doing the griddy over cindy

[hazy sedge]

bastion only for cindy?

onslaught?

[toxic wren]

resil better if in reload teams

otherwise bastion

[stoic storm]

As usual Bastion vs Resil is too small to matter

[hazy sedge]

is this the pre buff rh?

[fallen quartz]

Well, you always use RH as B1 on hard stages anyway

[toxic wren]

cindy has too many problems to even list like this

[fallen quartz]

[fallen quartz]

I feel like SU was rushing on release event, so it does have many problems

[stoic storm]

I think the HP to ATK being so low could be used as the main one

[toxic wren]

shit burst for campaign
shit damage output from normal attacks
will miss her fucking shots anyways lmfao

[stoic storm]

If that number was higher she'd be fine / a proper HP DPS

[modest nest]

btw

ex stage in C34 is

you guess it right

C.C

[toxic wren]

i wonder if 2rl cindy no buff is good enough to take down noise noah s.anis biscuit cindy

[wheat vault]

but what about those screenshots of her matching sbs damage

[wheat vault]

it’s ex stage, chill

[modest nest]

but you can't even pass 31-35

prepare for next UR?

C.C again

anyway

[wheat vault]

UR boss data not in the mines yet?

[modest nest]

on tower, you will meet C.C 4 more times

[wheat vault]

lol is it gonna be on 22nd?

[modest nest]

UR boss is just guess

[exotic forum]

man

I do appreciate that the devs tried their best to make her kit lore-accurate

but being lore-accurate doesn't mean the kit is fundamentally any good

her core kit mechanics are dogshit

[maiden thicket]

Crystal Cock

[toxic wren]

shit ass unit

[shrewd bloom]

man, no wonder why I got MLB then

[modest nest]

150 pulls + 600 tix for this

[hazy sedge]

cindy attacks follows enemies?

[heavy scaffold]

no

[wheat vault]

cindy attacks is like mundo, it goes where it pleases

[modest nest]

imagine she slamming her head like F

[exotic forum]

honestly worse than ein

[wheat vault]

give her some slack, she just woke up from a century of sleep.

[toxic wren]

not even a joke lol

she's ssakura tier

[exotic forum]

only reason I would use cindy in pvp is to counter rosanna

and even then, that's if I got no other options

honestly at this point they need to improve on her special mechanic

let it tag enemies in a small aoe (like a tiny version of mod) then have the projectiles actually home in on the tagged enemies' core or something, with proper homing

that should improve her usability a lot, while paper dps remains the same

that or just rework the projectiles entirely

turn them into hitscan lasers

[toxic wren]

maybe not

maybe 2rl just dont work here unless its shitlet

[oak cargo]

just giving her benefit of the doubt, maybe her meta comp is not here yet

[exotic forum]

neither of them output their burst dmg fast enough, so noah ends up blocking

and your team has no sustain against sanis, so die instantly

[modest nest]

running nuke team against Noah

lose

blame nuker too weak

[toxic wren]

its 2rl vs 3rl

[modest nest]

ein nuke went in

but couldn't kill shit

[exotic forum]

tbf ein does seem to need more buffers than cindy

so cindy got that going for her ig

both of them are super niche options for me anyway

[toxic wren]

ein is also like

not an insta kill

but neither are cindy or sakura

the difference is that ein keeps shooting, so she would win with blanc usuallya

cindy and ssakura are done for once noah blocks it

[modest nest]

[stoic storm]

It's still Ein with S.Anis right?

Oh pvp

[modest nest]

hard to tell because Noah protection is still on

Ein DPS < Cindy

that's a guarantee

[exotic forum]

ein is capable of killing even with noah if they don't have biscuit

[toxic wren]

winnable?

[exotic forum]

the sustained dmg is often high enough

no

[modest nest]

can she survive the same team as Cindy as above?

Sanis killed both lol

[toxic wren]

Lets see

[exotic forum]

well the team used has like 0 sustain

so ofc both will die

need a team that can last at least halfway through full burst

[modest nest]

just fix that for you

Cindy sustain dmg is higher than QEQ

[toxic wren]

ohh

[modest nest]

Ein can't even compare

[exotic forum]

[toxic wren]

wow idek what happened

[exotic forum]

sure didn't feel like it

[toxic wren]

[modest nest]

if 3 x (64.22% + 136%) can't beat a 1 x 64% x 250% then I don't know what to say

[toxic wren]

did his centi kill my cindy?

how much ele does it fucking have

[exotic forum]

she really didn't do much here

[modest nest]

dunno what to say since it's basic meth

her auto is 3 hits per sec

applied s1

[toxic wren]

the team youre going against is too weak

[modest nest]

very simple

[toxic wren]

try a team with more sustain

[hazy sedge]

man im convinced that cindy is the hardest hitting character in the game

[exotic forum]

not sure if I can find one with more sustain that I can actually win, without resorting to emi sub dps

emi subdps completely blows blocked cindy out of the water btw

like it's not even close

[toxic wren]

then lose

[exotic forum]

if I didn't counter their bscar I honestly prob would have lost

if their sanis bursted or something

[maiden thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4eMV1dJSeY

[acoustic field]

You are a joke

[maiden thicket]

Cindy OP

[acoustic field]

Guaranteed lose

So bad at team building

That team is where Rosanna shines

[toxic wren]

i cannot justify an ss tier for cindy personally in pvp

but overall she is a strong nuker

[exotic forum]

someone try a bay biscuit cindy comp against scar xanne rosa flex jackal

[acoustic field]

@modest nest atk roll is super useless smh

[modest nest]

better than everything else

crit, charge dmg

Def?

[crude oasis]

Best thing about my 86% ele dmg Cinderella

[acoustic field]

Chg dmg better

[crude oasis]

I only used about 55 rocks

[acoustic field]

But not affect burst damage

[crude oasis]

[modest nest]

better my ass

[acoustic field]

Problem is ATK is diluted by Max HP buffs

Charge dmg isnt

[crude oasis]

And they're all line 3 Ele Dmg

[modest nest]

it's not

read above

I won't explain again

[exotic forum]

actually I don't think I can cook up a good comp due to her shit gen

[modest nest]

great, she only needs ele

ammo is okay

[acoustic field]

Cant read above on mobile

[crude oasis]

I have... hmm let me get

[acoustic field]

If someone can kindly direct me

[acoustic field]

This?

No ure wrong

[exotic forum]

eh... compared to the other b3 in SS tier

she kinda does belong

[exotic forum]

with the likes of alice, maiden, rei

she's definitely not as low as S

[acoustic field]

Wdym she is good

[modest nest]

write proper math

else next

[acoustic field]

She is antirosa

[crude oasis]

We should petition ShiftUp to give us a sum of OL effects display

Would be handy and make life easier

[acoustic field]

No

Cus we need to know which piece is lacking

But yeah that is a good add

[maiden thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/begone-devil-demon-exorcism-sage-gif-82525492574426382

[stoic storm]

Lvl666

That ain't Satan that's a fucking leviathan

Does anyone even have a not-reset Rem to test with Cindy? Lol

[exotic forum]

should have gotten 1 more copy of cindy smh

[acoustic field]

Go to maincord

[exotic forum]

oh yeah forgot rem was a thing

[acoustic field]

Ask someone called Remilia

[acoustic field]

Thing is

Mast is better

Cus u will end up using her with SAnis anyway

[stoic storm]

Mast is good for SAnis???

[radiant pendant]

Does charge speed to nothing for her?

[stoic storm]

Poor Rem

[exotic forum]

mast limits your options bc you gotta ensure cindy's base atk is somehow highest or second highest

which is gonna be hard

just run regular buffers

[noble cipher]

Once you fire your first shot, Cinderella has 100% charge speed until she reloads

[stoic storm]

And charge damage is diluted as fuck

[noble cipher]

so she only sees tiny returns from any charge speed compared to just stacking Max Ammo, Attack, and Elemental lines

[fallen quartz]

@modest nestOk, I'm seeing the bug on Cindy on campaign right now, it also relate to her having a hard time to shoot beams as well

[toxic wren]

no

[noble cipher]

also, Cinderella only has her damage steroid during her burst, so she actually wants Attack lines compared to 2B

[toxic wren]

hmm mast is fine

[fallen quartz]

basically she doesn't deal dmg for sometimes, for God sake...

[modest nest]

for 50% of time

[fallen quartz]

SU, FIX THE DAMN BUG!!

[modest nest]

not some

[fallen quartz]

It's solo raid season

[nimble crypt]

day 1 with bug again

[noble cipher]

Mast's problem is that no Attackers wanted to stack health other than 2B, and both of the "Missing Health" Nikke (OG Scarlet and Guillotine) had more optimal partners

[alpine pulsar]

Bricked, refund me 1 spark

[noble cipher]

Her kit is fine. She just supports a niche that the game doesn't really care about

Cinderella can potentially pair up with Mast, but that's more of an issue of "wanting to build a team without cannibalizing the other SR / UR teams" rather than Mast necessarily being her optimal partner

(Mast honestly might be, but I doubt it)

[alpine pulsar]

Now mast can support 2 b3 want hp

[stoic storm]

She gets it during other burst as well, so she just doesn't deal damage outside of burst... Like 90% of units in this game

[alpine pulsar]

[noble cipher]

Upgrade mats are just too scarce to justify developing a niche support that only works with a miniscule fraction of Nikke's roster

That being said, Mast was popular for a couple Solo Raids after her release. She was never bad.

[chilly kernel]

What is the cause of the bug?

[fallen quartz]

SU's incompetent

I'm pushing campaign and it happen on mobs as well

[noble cipher]

In the same way that Summer Rosanna is actually pretty solid, but we only really have 2 Sustained Damage Nikke right now, and that's not enough to justify developing her in favor of just cannibalizing her skill mats for someone else

[fallen quartz]

not to mention, the aim on core is quack

so yeah, the bug just happens when Cinder attack, that it is

Using Cinder for raid is not reliable

when the bugs are still there

[nimble crypt]

please make a thread in issue

on maincord

[copper ether]

[oak cargo]

someone else leads and make a thread but not Arima, last time he got clapped

[stoic storm]

Reading the Nikke GG Cinderella review and

Ein however in Electric solo raids wants to be paired with Naga to better make use of Ein’s kit. So Scarlet can be slotted here instead or a burst generator like Maxwell. As this team without Ein has no viable burst generator.

Ein's feathers can't hit core can they? Why does she want to be with Naga?

[wispy coral]

Ein normal attacks is still more than half of her total damage
with exposed core, she benefits from Naga
and infinite ammo from SAnis

[stoic storm]

I see

[tired plinth]

Last 300 messages are about pvp bruh should I be concerned about this unit

[toxic wren]

motherfucker

@old forge

[chilly kernel]

Schrodinger’s Mideralla

[toxic wren]

resend your videos

ffs

your videos got delted

[oak cargo]

Whenever they try to move away from doom posting her to find a remedy, they just find another case to doom post about her

[tired plinth]

Dedication to the slander

[toxic wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299716154125713549/1301437767112458342/decoy.mp4?ex=672479df&is=6723285f&hm=a9bf6daca9bf9f2f478a2d94f60c7bc6d9039aab437ad2f7216b00c063e184c6&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299716154125713549/1301437938126684181/deficit.mp4?ex=67247a07&is=67232887&hm=4c2af3d43c9086e042dcd9a273662114a272aa1b762b82fe41d24365d051a35b&

thanks

@old forge

can u shaer the one

with alice

burst

[toxic wren]

exactly this but alice was bursting

thanks

a lot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299716154125713549/1301438640848633866/alicing.mp4?ex=67247aaf&is=6723292f&hm=65625c65541c196f700a7469d72bad3d5fd20958d48574c2f36f0c78897faf49&

hmm rei would be good here maybe

[modest nest]

31-35?

[stone urchin]

There were a few people yesterday said she was bad

All number should be doubled otherwise 99% would not pull

if only the buffed her double number though

To make up for all the pepega aim

[modest nest]

use 80% ED Asuka

[toxic wren]

2 new campaigns are wind, right?

[simple dock]

what outpost level for 84cd though

[modest nest]

446

[heavy scaffold]

33 34 is wind weak

[simple dock]

i'm 8 level away

okay then

[modest nest]

every 9 lv is new jump I think

so push more

[simple dock]

just release all my box

lv458 now

[toxic wren]

Campaign element Weakness (Mobs only)
Chap 0: Fire Weak
Chap 1: No specific
Chap 2: Fire Weak
Chap 3: Wind Weak
Chap 4: Fire Weak
Chap 5, 6: Water Weak
Chap 7, 8: Iron Weak
Chap 9, 10: Electric Weak
Chap 11, 12: Fire Weak
Chap 13, 14: Wind Weak
Chap 15, 16: Water Weak
Chap 17, 18: Iron Weak
Chap 19, 20: Fire Weak
Chap 21: Electric Weak
Chap 22: Water Weak
Chap 23, 24: Electric Weak
Chap 25, 26: Iron Weak
Chap 27, 28: Electric Weak
Chap 29, 30, 31, 32: Fire Weak
Chap 33, 34: Wind Weak

🔥: 11
⚡: 7
🧇: 6
💦: 5
💨: 5

omg wind makes a huge come back

ties it up with water

!

[modest nest]

have you cleared all normal yet?

[simple dock]

yeah

[modest nest]

so 458

with C32 only a few left right?

[simple dock]

nah im at 31 35

[modest nest]

blow your box and breeze through it then

with Lap

[simple dock]

i have to try at home

office problem

[modest nest]

same

[simple dock]

like you

[modest nest]

i'm playing on phone

[simple dock]

ngl behemoth is tanky af

could be the next cp wall

[heavy scaffold]

wow wind weak is since ch14??

[simple dock]

i never like wind weak cuz sbs suck at insta clear

[heavy scaffold]

whie 21 23 24 27 28 were elec weak

[toxic wren]

omg minigame good

[wheat vault]

#surface-and-minigames-hub

[fallen quartz]

I mean, SU have fucked up everything, no way they can fucked up minigame

but don't judge it yet

wait until you clear everything

[topaz rampart]

is it still could be called "mini" though

[heavy scaffold]

define mini first

[modest nest]

it's bigger than Metroid

[stoic storm]

Minigames are bigger everytime

Gone are the days of "tap left or right to reject or accept gift boxes"

[fallen quartz]

Mini game doesn't bugged because the other team develop it, while main team work on the main content

[simple dock]

does the mini game's progression locked by event story's progression ?

[modest nest]

these days it's a competition between minigame team vs main team

main team: I introduce you, the ballz

[fluid bone]

minigames already have better gameplay than the main game

[modest nest]

mini team with MoG, FTK

[toxic wren]

vigor

cube

@modest nest

vigor good?

its an offensive buff

10% hp or smthng

[modest nest]

half of max S2

that's great

[toxic wren]

should be better than resi/basti??

[modest nest]

dunno, gut feeling said that

eh what the hell is this stage

can't load

34

a story check point

yeah

server seems unstable today

[vale forge]

is it just me or cinderella barely generate burst gauge?

[toxic wren]

anniv day tbf

sea is waking up

and stuff

and ea

[modest nest]

sea here

sea is in office right now

[toxic wren]

smolwhite

na got free from work then

those are raptures??

[lime valve]

That's gonna be a pain on mobile

[modest nest]

urghh this 34-21

[lime valve]

[modest nest]

I can't load

[toxic wren]

pause and aim at these fuckers

[lime valve]

wait wut

and I thought the ones with elemental shields were the worst

[unborn fjord]

man

playing osu is pretty fun huh

its literally a slider bar

[brave socket]

What the actual frick lol

Trying really hard , some games have really nasty way to make content harder and this one is making ultra annoying mobs

Can modernia body them with her ult range

[toxic wren]

Yes

[pliant plover]

the only think I changed between these 2 was 1 more cindy core and I leveled rouges burst from 5 to 10 (she currently has 3 lvl 0 t9 and a lvl 0 ol chest so her buffs could still be a lot higher)

[simple dock]

Oh wait I must've confused Cinder eli with someone else

Who's the pierce supporter Grave?

[wooden roost]

65 rocks so far should I prioritise rerolling the 4th piece for ele +ammo/atk or leave as is

[molten oak]

No X4 ele

But fixable

[wooden roost]

the bottom left piece took 35 rocks + 8 locks on that ammo piece, thats the best i got

i aimed to roll for ele +ammo/atk for every piece

[molten oak]

Are you looking for X4 atk ele?@wooden roost

[topaz rampart]

Is there no ele at all on bottom left that took you 35 rocks to reroll?

[molten oak]

X2 atk are kinda easy in your case

Bottom right and top left

Are fixable pieces

[topaz rampart]

Should've focused on getting ele first before locking ammo if your other pieces already have Ammo

[molten oak]

Ele is the priority

Check pins

Then ammo and if possible ATK

[topaz rampart]

Yeah that's why Ven spending 35 without getting ele seems like not an optimal approach (?)

[molten oak]

XD

luck in this game is insane

If I show what I got with 4 rocks y'all will kill me xD

Well after that I spent 35 rocks in sanis and I got kek lines

[topaz rampart]

I'm 20 rocks in after saving for a week and only got like 15% ele

[molten oak]

don't hoard rocks, is a mistake imo

[hasty karma]

I'm kind of sad to see ScarBS toppled

[molten oak]

Nah don't worry SBS Alice still best comp

[noble cipher]

I honestly don't think she has been

[molten oak]

Because Cindy+sanis is kinda meh

[hasty karma]

By the way, I've heard Cindy can break MC's shields. How exactly does this happen? I don't think I see any heavy-hitting single-shot attacks on Cindy

[noble cipher]

Cinderella does damage to 1-10 random targets

[sand trellis]

Cindy is great because she doesn’t need the SBD Alice supports

[noble cipher]

Scarlet BS is distributed damage

Scarlet BS will always be more versatile for that reason

[molten oak]

Is good and bad

[hasty karma]

I mean in terms of pure single-target damage

[molten oak]

because SBS paired to Alice top 1 dmg is good and weird cuz no special synergy

And cindy Alone is an SBS

so idk guys

Up vote the thread in maincord

Cindy is missing a lot of attacks

We don't know if is a bug or a feature

[wooden roost]

yes

[noble cipher]

Cinderella also has a bit of a delay on her projectiles

[wooden roost]

i used around 5 rocks to roll for ammo at the bottom

then locked the ammo and rerolled like 8 times

[noble cipher]

and can't easily destroy parts

[wooden roost]

im looking for
Ele (prio)
ammo/atk (second prio)

[molten oak]

Her shots against MC is like she misses everything

[brave trout]

chatters, what's the next verdict on cindy?

is she still above average?

[molten oak]

she hits like a truck

[brave trout]

oh damn

[molten oak]

A drunk truck

[brave trout]

oh

[noble cipher]

Hits like a truck. No one is sure about her optimal team comp

Potentially buggy to the point where her damage ceiling is obscured

[brave trout]

so it's the usual liter + crown

[noble cipher]

Not necessarily

[molten oak]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1301432519761068073

Upvote

[noble cipher]

Well, Liter yes. Crown maybe

And Rogue is a good partner for her too

[glossy granite]

surely exia or rouge over liter

[molten oak]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1301398523882901550

Gogo upvote

[brave trout]

why not crown?

[primal inlet]

Would u guys lock a line 3 black charge dmg?

For cinder obv

How much does charge dmg even inc her overall dps by

[slate apex]

brain gave up when i saw alice trying to defend something again

[wooden roost]

#1301398523882901550 message

[molten oak]

Nah ignore that dude

Gosh make mirror container with her is a hell

[noble cipher]

Because Cinderella doesn't care as much about reload speed, and Rogue + Blanc is a thing

Also, Cinderella can turn HP buffs into ATK, so her pool of potential supports is a bit wider

[molten oak]

She's missing 50% of her hits

[wooden roost]

why is he defending a bug lmfao

[molten oak]

Don't know bro, that dude is always like that

[slate apex]

he's always defending what's live on the server instead of trying to be helpful and investigate

[brave trout]

I mean, the reload is one thing, her atk buffs are just the best in every way possible so why wouldn't you want to pair her with cindy?

[molten oak]

is an horrendous bug

[brave trout]

especially when you're going to pair her with sanis anyway

[wooden roost]

this is why we need testers back in the game

their internal QA is hot garbage

[molten oak]

Fuck Cinderella is weak in campaign at least make her a monster bossing

[primal inlet]

They might be talking about in SR

[brave trout]

I'm think of SR too

[primal inlet]

Since crown + liter def better off elsewhere

[molten oak]

Shift up doing mini games:
Shift up coding kits:

[wooden roost]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1301398523882901550/1301482261404979210/1730348125.webp?ex=6724a34f&is=672351cf&hm=788dd82e5ae490421798e8819f97dc8691f176b6e945c360157a7a263b788ae2&=&animated=true&width=720&height=405

LMFAO

which apprentice cooked up this code

[brave trout]

I'm just asking about crown pairing with cindy specifically now since he said maybe

[wooden roost]

uh

[primal inlet]

Crown + liter, especially liter over rogue apparently bases on ppls calculations is better

[molten oak]

Cinderella is not like 2b guys

[molten oak]

Atk buff are good on her

[primal inlet]

And crown is no brainer just bis b2

[brave trout]

they did NOT test her with normal mobs

[molten oak]

Yeah, and 70% of her dmg are in her basic attacks

[brave trout]

or at least, the ones that don't run like hell

[molten oak]

30% burst

[dusk pine]

she missed like 12 shots LOL

[wooden roost]

out of 12

[maiden thicket]

okay just found something new

Beauti stack doesnt drop when decoy get destroyed

[brave trout]

basically, it's more optimal to pair cindy with rogue + blanc since crown + liter can be in other teams?

[brave socket]

I think that was a given unless mistranslation

I also think they confirmed it on a pre release video

[primal inlet]

Yea since cindy can benefit off rogues hp up

And blanc and rogue syngergizes

Synergizes*

[dusk pine]

they will most likely fix that no, sounds to be a big issue

[brave trout]

what about the most optimal line up for her if it wasn't SR

[maiden thicket]

the JP gameplay was really bad so i cant find any information from it

[primal inlet]

Who else can reap max benefits with rogue if not cindy

[brave trout]

would liter + crown be better than rogue + blanc?

[primal inlet]

Liter was tested to yield more dmg than c7 10/10/10 rogue said by Sin

[primal inlet]

Most definitely in general

[brave trout]

granny wins as always

[wooden roost]

made it into a gif, you can repost

[noble cipher]

I would make the argument that for Solo Raids, Rogue + Blanc are better together

[primal inlet]

With electric elem advantage, it might be harder to say but doubt it

[noble cipher]

if only so you can keep the optimal Electric team comp from the last Electric Solo Raid intact

Cindy would likely deal more damage, but you'd probably see weaker returns than on other teams

[molten oak]

they have to close that department and hire expert people

they cant be so random at this point

[brave trout]

yeah I got it now, it's why I added the if it wasn't solo raid

[fallen quartz]

Better management, better deadline, etc

[molten oak]

[brave trout]

miranda is getting filtered huh

[wooden roost]

use this one

[brave trout]

better voice direction

[wooden roost]

that file will get deleted in 1 hour

[primal inlet]

Won't she be used on occasion with SW?

[fallen quartz]

We have seen preparation for anniv really sloppy this time, indicating a rush deadline.

[marble glacier]

holyfk

[brave trout]

hearing voice actors said they were only allowed to know what the characters and the scenes were like through descriptions was absolutely abysmal

like godamn let them see what was actually happening

[wooden roost]

[brave trout]

hm then I guess she's still relevant as long as sw is

[molten oak]

[tawdry minnow]

Pew pew

[molten oak]

they hate anniversary units

[wooden roost]

Cindy was described as the first RL with a unique shooting mechanic

So unique she misses her shots 95% of the time

thanks shiftup

[wheat vault]

beauty stacks don't have duration? but is it consumed on burst?

[maiden thicket]

beauty stacks exist permanently

even your decoy get destroyed it's still there but wont raise anymore

[wheat vault]

sooo she just need the decoy to survive for the first 40-45 seconds

[maiden thicket]

get into phase 3 burst will raise it again

yeah

[wheat vault]

and then decoy's job is done

[modest nest]

accuracy is 3 shots over 12

so 25%

[wheat vault]

oh well at least against behemoth she won't miss right?

[brave trout]

we gacha'ing in this bitch

let's go gambling

[wooden roost]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[maiden thicket]

she missed on phase 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4eMV1dJSeY

can check in here

[brave trout]

jesus

did you intentionally nerf yourself

[modest nest]

does MC look big enough to you

she misses 50% btw

[molten oak]

[maiden thicket]

yeah

[molten oak]

expecting mega buff

[modest nest]

expecting bug fix first

[molten oak]

my bad

[brave trout]

this boss is way too easy if you haven't even reached the screen change QTE

[molten oak]

expecting bug fix

[brave trout]

the bug fix is the buff

[wheat vault]

man

[brave trout]

[wheat vault]

at this point

it’s a tradition

that anniv unit is whack

on release

[molten oak]

yeah perfect core hits means stronger than sbs

so idk man but see her missing basic attacks is sad

it makes me sad

[potent sapphire]

abandon the shackles of balance

[modest patio]

No need, she is stronger than all of the prototype godesses no?

[molten oak]

sbs+alice>cindy+sanis

[modest patio]

Now make her an attacker to balance her

[molten oak]

oh well maybe new comp could be cindy sanis rh b1

in raid

that seems strong comp

[agile pilot]

as it stands cindy has so much support just because she is an electric

[wheat vault]

yea electric buffs are kinda stacked the b1's are competing (exia vs rouge)

[blissful kettle]

This was probably talked about here, but I managed to get 0LB Cindy to get Mast's debuff through %atk rolls over SAnis

This is now my favorite team

[molten oak]

https://fxtwitter.com/niminist123/status/1851859084339016142

hahahahahahahahhahaa

[agile pilot]

yeah they're definitely fixing that

then we'll see some seriously chart-topping

[blissful kettle]

Fixing what

[modest patio]

Cinderella missing

[blissful kettle]

Ah

Hit rate OL stats don't help there, do they?

[topaz rampart]

turns out the problem is not the number in the first place

[drowsy whale]

Is rouge worth doll SR+5 now?

[modest nest]

yep

[stoic storm]

I thought OL lines only contributed to final ATK?

Am I wrong on that?

Have you confirmed she's actually getting the buff?

[blissful kettle]

And Mast is checking final ATK, as I have discovered

Look at her HP, she's getting the extra HP that she wants

[stoic storm]

Oh, neat

Mast now much more convenient to use

[brave socket]

I mean I see a problem to this bug

even if she's missing half or whatever the amount of shots she does , she's still topping the charts as it is

They cant "fix the bug" and nerf her at the same time either

So a) they fix the bug and we have the game strongest unit which ridiculizes all the content and next units will suck for 1 year ,no herectics release and no liliweiss or we will enter severe powercreep era with each banner being a must

or b) say "the new mechanic includes high damage with shots missed being acounted for"

as "it's intended to seem like it doesnt hit "

[blissful kettle]

But that's what RH did when she was buffed, really, she made fun of content

[brave socket]

it would be way worse here

rh wasnt on top before buffing

cinderella is

the thing I hate the most from HSR which is "off role characters doing things better than characters of other roles" would happen too

as in , the best attacker in the game being a defender

lmao

[blissful kettle]

The moment they revealed a defender Nikke with a unique shooting mechanic, I expected something like this

[potent sapphire]

defender dps

[brave socket]

lets wait and see

[blissful kettle]

2B was the same, but she's not an anni pilgrim meant to break the meta

[green verge]

"nerfing" a character with bad game mechanics is a horrible design

[potent sapphire]

at this point attacker/defender/support is just a gear category

[modest patio]

Imagine not accepting the best defender dps

[brave socket]

Im fine with whatever outcome but if there ever is the era Im forced to pull units or miss shit continously then bye bye lol

[green verge]

you can;t say with clear consience that Cindy missing half the time is "working as intended"

[brave socket]

I didnt say that

but the point is

that she's still on top of dps charts

if the actually fix her

[green verge]

you did tho

[brave socket]

she will be 2x above second unit

I said "they might go that route"

they. SU

[green verge]

why even make an excuse for them lol

[brave socket]

I was just stating possibilities

[green verge]

we already tested her on the training ground

[modest patio]

Forgive me if im wrong but werent people saying that cindy is acute dogwater on burst gen? Or was that exclusive to pvp?

[green verge]

with Cindy hitting her shots most of the time

[blissful kettle]

I tested her on training ground on auto and her burst gen seemed average

[green verge]

She deals huge dmg, but it's not "2x above second unit" huge

[modest patio]

Thanks steelux!

Lets call this the tradeoff for massive dps

[green verge]

She's really strong, but the kind of strong you can expect from a 2nd anniv unit

[brave socket]

it would still mean raising the powercreep bar , something Im not really fond off. But unit is already released so whatever outcome happens , happens

[blissful kettle]

She seems as strong as RH was after the buff

For the time

[brave socket]

yeah , shame of people that miss her and then cant compete anywhere amirite ?

[modest patio]

You could say the same about people that missed redhood

sbs

modernia

etc

[green verge]

something that would happen anyway, and so far they seems to be able to control the powercreep in this game

[brave socket]

yes and if they keep 1.5x in power last unit

it will be even worse

[agile pilot]

fuck them latecomers unironically

[stoic storm]

solution: new B1 CDR Yan Alt whose burst freese all raptures in place, restricting their movement (but not their attacks)

[green verge]

Like, the last time we've gotten a broken B3 unit was like, last year NY in SBS lol

after that it's just elemental filler units

[stoic storm]

the issue is raptures moving too much between Cinderella firing right?

[modest patio]

Solution: Cope, seethe and mald

Jokes aside, I missed redhood and the bunny duo, didnt get them before a month ago. The game plays on fomo, so thats just how this goes at the end of the day Kabutozero

[green verge]

B2 is a bit different tho

[stoic storm]

has anyone tested whether fully turning off aim assist and having good aim gets better results?

[green verge]

it's not a hit rate problem tho, is it?

seems like her lasers work like rapture's

[modest patio]

This is the image someone posted previously

[green verge]

Kinda like Noise dodging the train's missiles, except it's the bosses that doing it to Cindy lol

[modest patio]

Going off testing, its the way her projectiles work that is the issue. Someone on KR did the test Vampire is suggesting, and I can post the gif here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299716154125713549/1301488029688533013/CindyAim.gif

[green verge]

i hope they can sort it out before the SR ends

[modest patio]

We will see, with all the other bugs people are reporting, hopefully they add a patch within two working days.

[wooden roost]

https://ac.namu.la/20241031sac/1ac5058d6282f5c561237b9f3ed45bc7ad5d69aa214d2402e34e72184c37aba6.mp4?expires=1730375273&key=VuVUMLw1nax1jvJMrO-UZg

new one

@modest patio

[green verge]

this is a good doomposting material lol

[wooden roost]

spent another 12 rocks on that 4th piece, not a single ele line @molten oak

[modest patio]

Thank you, it hurts my eyes to look at this

Hopefully they fix her so that she can rival scarlet soon, maybe get better than Ein

[blissful kettle]

Honestly, I kind of like it?

If her accuracy is perfect in this situation, I don't think there's anything you can do in manual to improve her DPS, since she has to full charge once and then just keeps firing like an AR

[wooden roost]

you like a unit that misses 95% of the time for 0 reason?

[blissful kettle]

Isn't the reason travel time, or is it something else?

[modest patio]

Wasnt distance also a problem?

[toxic wren]

One of the funniest things I've read here and I've been playing this shit game for almost 2 years

[molten oak]

I spent 4 rocks and I got 92 ele and 100 ammo

First time that happened in my life

[blissful kettle]

Distance increases travel time, which I thought was the problem

[wooden roost]

fuck off

[molten oak]

[wooden roost]

[molten oak]

now my Cindy hits almost X3 my Ein

[blissful kettle]

Which would mean you have to lead her shots on manual to hit bosses far away/that move a lot

[molten oak]

even with her pepega code

[stoic storm]

I'm yelling y'all it's the Yan meta.

Run her with Cindy so the raptures get stuck in the tornado

[blissful kettle]

LOL

Perfect

[queen nebula]

So how to best use Cindy?

[toxic wren]

Use her against electric weak bosses

[modest patio]

Wait for patch

[blissful kettle]

Does Yuni immobilize raptures too, I forgot

[queen nebula]

She is bugged?

[toxic wren]

Yes

[modest patio]

That too then, its both most likely

[modest patio]

Yes, she misses a lot

[stoic storm]

Actually based on story Siren likely will immobilize enemies....

Watch this be intentional so you need to unironically run Cinderella with Siren

[molten oak]

Opinions against neutral bosses, guys?

[blissful kettle]

Actually, I wonder how they would fix this, the auto just aims the crosshair directly at core or parts

[queen nebula]

I see so she's only good against shooting big things then at the moment?

[blissful kettle]

They would have to make the travel time instant or close to it?

[stoic storm]

How come normal RL don't have this issue?

They also have travel time

[modest patio]

Kinda stupid at that too on occasions. We are waiting for a fix

[queen nebula]

At least it might mean apolojems yeh?

[blissful kettle]

Did they give out apologems when RH was buffed?

[queen nebula]

Guess I'll wait with Cindy for now

[modest patio]

I dont think so, this is tencent we are talking about

[queen nebula]

guess we will see

[green verge]

Big and unmoving target currently

[sacred briar]

whats the skill priority if i may ask?

[stoic storm]

She can hit small and unmoving too can't she?

Just can't handle movement

[green verge]

Yea

Mech seems to be the same like we're i-framing missiles

[modest patio]

1 and 3 atm

[green verge]

Except they are doing it to Cindy

[sacred briar]

thanks

[simple dock]

only s1 is need to be 10

10/7/7 is fine

[sacred briar]

appreciated

[green verge]

Basically the trajectory and destination are pre-calculated

[stoic storm]

"Cindy now patched, however if you run Noise in the team the ghost of the train will undo the patch in retribution"

[green verge]

Can't even hit a huge, moving train is insane lol

[stoic storm]

Pretty sure RH couldn't hit interrupt circles for ages if there was rapture body behind them

[green verge]

No way that's intended to "nerf" cindy

[stoic storm]

Fucked me over on train quite a lot

[brave socket]

I mean... if you say it works like player covering

[stoic storm]

Train seems to often bring out bugs. Train & Gravedigger.

[brave socket]

I can see it being the new mechanic