[Cinderella] New Unit Megathread

[twin hornet]

[frigid pumice]

B-but bond 40 stats

[simple dock]

mlb for pilgrim, lb2 for normal units

[modest nest]

god tier Defender

[exotic forum]

eh still leaning towards it expiring though, makes more sense kit-wise

[modest nest]

basically has 2 lives

and restore one per burst

the ultimate answer to 24-34

[lavish bridge]

at lvl 400 it's just a few % lol

[deft obsidian]

And ahh, just saw this. Full core uptime makes sense then

[lavish bridge]

it's just a very general tierlist
more like a damage list that heavily bias some units

[molten oak]

So easy 32 wall boss is real now?

[simple dock]

why the number cook so different ?

[modest nest]

ha ha nope

wake the fuck up

Ein or gtfo

[lavish bridge]

trustmebro

[slate apex]

1337 spotted

[molten oak]

[modest nest]

[molten oak]

Lol

[lavish bridge]

also the teams are:

[molten oak]

How this guy has the perfect emote for everything

[modest nest]

[sand mesa]

[late shuttle]

ikr

[molten oak]

Damn Sanis demoted to supporter

Nah just kidding

[slate apex]

"Rogue"

[molten oak]

good cook anyway

[lavish bridge]

it's a damage inflater cook for cindy

[molten oak]

The bad thing is that I need to build Rouge

[exotic forum]

although I do have to say... if they wanted it to reset, they could have just given it a 5-6 sec duration

[lavish bridge]

might not be a team i'd use for SR
Just for showcase

[exotic forum]

being continuous here instead of duration does imply it doesn't expire

[glossy granite]

who's Rogue?

[lavish bridge]

rouge

[glossy granite]

[deft obsidian]

Can you confirm or deny Kisenix's claim that Rouge is bad for Cindy?

[lavish bridge]

kisenix can fk off

[molten oak]

Kisenix said that?

[lavish bridge]

[deft obsidian]

[molten oak]

lol

[deft obsidian]

Yup

[exotic forum]

how much total hp% buff is rouge

[molten oak]

I lost this chat when the doompost and maincord people came here

[late shuttle]

I am so cooked at this SR being rougeless

[lavish bridge]

the HP% buff on rouge from 5th burst onward is worth 20% total damage alone

[deft obsidian]

I figured

Rouge does silly things for 2B

[lavish bridge]

and this is with inflated atk from sanis and crown buff

[full garnet]

It's like Sanis is finally fulfilling her intended role

[signal hollow]

So much for being a Prydwen member/reviewer/whatever

[molten oak]

Nah is ok, as Raon said is an inflated team for cindy

Maybe Cindy sanis is real

[signal hollow]

I would like SAnis Cindy work together actually

[lavish bridge]

i did some oopsie on cindy

[exotic forum]

I'm curious, is cindy even capable of quick fire

[full garnet]

[lavish bridge]

still good tho

[deft obsidian]

Mid unit.

[lavish bridge]

[deft obsidian]

Imagine not better than Alice smh

EoS tomorrow

[exotic forum]

did anyone calc her burst vs ein burst yet

[shrewd bloom]

SMH my head

[agile pilot]

this user was banned for this post

[shrewd bloom]

[sullen forum]

I knew it, it was too good to be true

but don't show the new calc

[molten oak]

She can't surpass my 4,5/s Alice

[sullen forum]

bait with other one

[molten oak]

Mid unit

[topaz rampart]

miderilla

[lavish bridge]

i accidently put crown atk buff on her off burst rotation

oops

[tired elm]

i cant wait to 1 tap cinderella free pulls

[lavish bridge]

[full garnet]

Still top 5 at least?

[lavish bridge]

4.5/s alice is the goat lol

[full garnet]

In terms of DPS?

[lavish bridge]

top 3 lol

top 2 if no core no part actually

[exotic forum]

midella has no pierce though

[deft obsidian]

Yeah, she seems like another SBS

[full garnet]

Oh goodie. SU cooked Cindy so hard that she came off as well-done at first.

[lavish bridge]

yeah parts is different story

[molten oak]

We already have 2 pierce sniper overpowered

[deft obsidian]

Going to be a necessary boss-neutral unit

[lavish bridge]

pierce is op

[deft obsidian]

but she'll get creeped by dedicated DPS units like RH against the right bosses

[molten oak]

I personally don't want another one asap

[exotic forum]

idk about my plans to mlb cindy, will have to reconsider

[full garnet]

I'm MLBing her.

It's Pilgrim.

[exotic forum]

does her off-burst dmg beat mod at least? bc on paper I think she should (assuming she can reliably core hit)

[molten oak]

Same as sbs, she's meh when there's a hidden core

[late shuttle]

Me who just wanna mileage

[glossy granite]

i will pull cause mileage is boring

[molten oak]

I'll cry if Rh steal grave as her support next raid

[tired elm]

smol white > cinderella confirmed?

[molten oak]

As she stole mari

[dusk pine]

Quick question for the big brains of research lab, how is cinderella and graves looking? Worth pulling?

[exotic forum]

my rh is loyal to tiga

grave prob just replaces mari in my asuka comp

[molten oak]

Problem is that, that whore fits everywhere

her dmg doesn't change a lot

Changing her supports

[unborn stump]

Don't call her whore

That's rude

[late shuttle]

No fun game in the first place when having budget in mind

[unborn stump]

Don't insult whore like that

[exotic forum]

[molten oak]

XD

Anyway

Grave cook when?

[oak cargo]

Big brains are coping rn but they are both must pull

[unborn stump]

Lorewise and Gameplaywise, Grave is like Goku with Kaioken lol

Big dick dmg, but got fucked after burst from the side effect

[molten oak]

Sure they are especially grave

[exotic forum]

cindy OL is just atk, ele, ammo yeah?

[unborn stump]

Grave is a must

But I'm gonna MLB both

[molten oak]

[unborn stump]

Might as well spend my 148k gems and 750 gold mileage

[tired elm]

thank you shift up for not powercreeping previous units

i actually like the direction they going to

[exotic forum]

why did they have to make grave the more meta unit

cindy is way more hype

grave should have been the mid one

[tired elm]

hell nah

grave > cindy

fuck cindy dog

grave abs >>>

[potent sapphire]

C-tierella

[exotic forum]

cindy assets >>>>

[unborn stump]

No need to ask me

I'm already doing it

[deft obsidian]

No ATK

Unless you're truly minmaxing

Minimal gain cuz Defender

[exotic forum]

what else then

[full garnet]

Liter has still been one of the best supports to this date lol

[exotic forum]

just 4 ele 4 ammo?

[dusk pine]

Hmm okay ty

[unborn stump]

Crit rate? Charge dmg?

[deft obsidian]

4x Ele, 2x ammo, then use your rocks on Grave

[unborn stump]

idk

[deft obsidian]

[exotic forum]

[molten oak]

Grave needs hit rate lines

[deft obsidian]

She's actually a cheap unit

[molten oak]

[deft obsidian]

Grave will not be

[exotic forum]

grave might use crit dmg lines too?

at least she benefits a lot more from it than other units

[molten oak]

X4 hit rate

[shrewd bloom]

I don't see a reason why we wouldn't go 4x atk 4x Ele, why bother going for good lines if you won't even try to min max

[silver owl]

seems like it yeah

[molten oak]

Classic top 50 player

[exotic forum]

would 2 more ammo lines be better than 2 more atk lines though

[silver owl]

maybe 4x atk 4x ele 2x crit dmg 2x hitrate?

[molten oak]

Top 50% tho

[exotic forum]

well either way I'm glad cindy is cheap, only got 4 rocks rn

and enough fodder for 1 gear, maybe 2

[shrewd bloom]

I only have enough for 2 too

Thankfully we are gettingna double rewards weekend next

[sullen forum]

if I get at least 2 cindy from daily free pulls I would go for mlb

othervise she stays on 1 copy

[shrewd bloom]

Maybe I will be able to get the other 2 ready before the SR ends

[plucky rampart]

Fooder more of a problem cause theres no 1 week rest for soloraid to farm that lol
Maybe max 3 in a week

[shrewd bloom]

There was a 1 week rest, the issue is that it lined up with the patch haha. Remember we go 1 week SR - rest week - 1 week UR - rest week

Oh no wait

When did UR end?

Ok nvm, it ended on the 23, so it was indeed 1 week

[twin hornet]

Where can i get this cope

[sullen forum]

I mean I got rh twice from that

[icy tree]

Im thinking, is there synergy when using both cindy and grave?

[sullen forum]

last anni

[dusty shuttle]

No, also Grave doesn't exist for the next SR

[icy tree]

SR? 🤔

[sullen forum]

solo raid

[silver owl]

solo raid

[icy tree]

Ah I see

[sullen forum]

but grave would be in every sr onwards

dw

[deft obsidian]

Limited in rocks

You'll get more benefit out of 12/12ing SBS/RH/Alice than bothering with those extra lines on Cindy

For the few that already have those units perfected, sure

I sure don't

[shrewd bloom]

I think she will do just fine with 10/12

[icy tree]

Im not sure how much of Grave Im going to get after I finished locking in on Cindy

[shrewd bloom]

So 4x Ele 4x atk 2x ammo

Getting 12/12 is the risky/expensive part

[subtle oxide]

Only two lines of Ammo needed?

[late latch]

Sorry, what does 12/12 mean please?

[silver owl]

number of ol lines

[shrewd bloom]

Have 3 OL lines on 4 pieces

[late latch]

Oh ok

Ty

[deft obsidian]

4x if you want her to be controlled 100% by AI probably

but if you don't mind manually reloading her before full burst, then 1x actually works

She only needs 30 ammo for full burst

Any more than 1x ammo is just increasing the chance that she can't run low beforehand

[exotic forum]

grave will be low prio for me, since I got plenty of time before I actually have to use her (unless she has a spot in campaign)

[silver owl]

fire team for hard campaign probably

[exotic forum]

eh.... at the end of ch 20 (fire-weak), so I assume mw ch isn't fire-weak

so no use

[shrewd bloom]

CoroNa still doesn't seem beatable to be honest , Asuka already does a good job at CCing with Pierce

[exotic forum]

I got time until next SR, so I'll be fine

[dull osprey]

Did you include Ele or any OL line?

[lavish bridge]

2 atk 2 charge damage lvl 11 for cindy, no ele for all

[exotic forum]

if stacks don't expire

honestly, you can prob keep s2 at 7 or lower

minimal impact

[molten oak]

10/10/10

Nah idk xD

[deft obsidian]

We'll see scaling when Nikke.gg updates/ when maintenance is done

[exotic forum]

I assume it scales like rei

since same %

rei is 52.8% of hp at lvl 1

that's honestly enough if stacks don't expire and they refresh

81.6% at lvl 7

[deft obsidian]

Potentially could be safe to leave at 4

Especially if AoE attacks don't hit decoy

[sullen forum]

I have 2 charge damage lines instead of 1 att and 1 ele

but rolling them is pain

[deft obsidian]

The question would be if the stack time changes

[sullen forum]

10/12 seems ok for now

[deft obsidian]

Imagine it's like 9 seconds per stack at level 1

Although does black text ever change?

[exotic forum]

yes

crown's ammo requirement per stack changes

so it's possible

[shrewd bloom]

Tove's S1 also changes

From 3% to 5%

[deft obsidian]

So that would be the biggest reason to level S2

Especially if it's a 1/5/9 change like SBS/Noir

[exotic forum]

yeah

if stacks don't expire, her team won't need sustain

assuming she's highest atk (which is fairly likely unless another atk% self buffing dps)

just let her decoy take the boss's attacks

like in mirror

[deft obsidian]

And since her decoy respawns at burst stage 3, not just on her burst, that means it'll be back plenty

Truly immortal Nikke

[lavish bridge]

oh fr lol

that's insane

can aoe nuke get her tho?

[deft obsidian]

Yes

[lavish bridge]

or has to go through decoy completely first?

[exotic forum]

splash will hit her

[deft obsidian]

but being a defender, everyone else will be dead first

[plucky rampart]

Lore accurate then

[deft obsidian]

So you'll have other problems

[exotic forum]

now I'm more convinced stacks will expire

[deft obsidian]

You and I both saw her keep stacks the entire gameplay fight

[lavish bridge]

decoy not gonna break

[shrewd bloom]

I wonder how she will play for Arena

[exotic forum]

yeah but decoy didn't break, so we don't know

[deft obsidian]

She might be terrifying

[exotic forum]

well if it refreshes it should still be fine

[deft obsidian]

You have to kill two defenders, essentially

[exotic forum]

shouldn't break if you play SR properly

[deft obsidian]

Three if she's with Biscuit

[shrewd bloom]

[deft obsidian]

Plus she's S Sakura+ with her burst

[silver owl]

so only technical counter is scarlet

[deft obsidian]

Even then, stick SR doll on her for DR with DR cube

[elder pier]

Yo so what happened to worse than 2b?

[plucky rampart]

Would her decoy give more burst gen for rl tho if it hit it and her

[deft obsidian]

Scarlet can't OHKO

[silver owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040253746405445722/1256710764446617740/RDT_20240628_1234464668487916906083969.gif

[exotic forum]

she doesn't even feed scarlet that much

and doesn't get neutered by rosa

legit 2b but fixing many of her issues

[deft obsidian]

Not sure. Anyone ever use Delta/Rei in PvP?

[exotic forum]

yes they do give enemy RLs more gen

so p4/p5

[silver owl]

she only gets highest atk after bursting right? so she won't get targeted by rosa nuke

[exotic forum]

eh she can prob tank enemy SGs fine, won't lose much dmg even if decoy breaks

won't even need biscuit to work as SG blocker

unless full SG team

[exotic forum]

yeah

dispel happens before she gains the atk as well

[deft obsidian]

Big question I think will be what her gen looks like

I imagine miniscule since she fires faster than SG

[exotic forum]

honestly I'm thinking closer to mg/smg gen

unless her aoe is enough to hit 2 targets

[elder pier]

Clip rl per hit

[exotic forum]

there's also the first RL where she has 0 gen

[deft obsidian]

lol, if clip RL, she'll be campaign meta even just as an off-burst

[plucky rampart]

Her s1 add gonna give more gen?

[elder pier]

Yea it adds an extra hit

[silver owl]

does the decoy also block ST nukes?

or does it pass through

[deft obsidian]

Decoy should take any ST attacks

I don't remember if it gates damage or if damage bleeds through tho

Oh, another thought for Cindy

Anyone who hasn't gotten their Overclock this cycle done can use her for both Defender and RL

[silver owl]

so even if cindy did have highest atk from the get-go(which isnt likely because attackers) the decoy will tank the hit first

[exotic forum]

@toxic wren does overflow dmg go through decoy, like if you get sniped for dmg that's higher than decoy hp

does the excess hit hp or nah

[toxic wren]

No

It's like cover

[exotic forum]

oh nice

[deft obsidian]

Cool, it gates damage

[exotic forum]

snipe protection in pve

[heady field]

After reading up, the consensus is Cindy is a mid on paper?

[silver owl]

so you need to "kill" her twice before actually even being able to do damage to her

[deft obsidian]

I don't think you read far enough

[heady field]

You mfs talk too much

[deft obsidian]

Unkillable unit with top 3 (2 when no core) paper damage

Unless testing shows significant decrease is results, she's incredibly good

Initially people were too focused on her low skill numbers and not considering RoF I think

[exotic forum]

main thing that would nerf her would be stacks expiring, and even then won't be that big of a nerf in most cases

[deft obsidian]

She has 50% ATK scaling from a normal RL but 3x fire rate

and that's ignoring additional damage procs

[exotic forum]

stacks expiring and decoy not refreshing, pew pew not being able to core hit, would be the worst case situation

[lavish bridge]

she's like SBS
quick shot with additional damage on every hit

[deft obsidian]

She's SBS but a defender

[lavish bridge]

her main attack is still pretty weak
but her nuke is alot of damage

[deft obsidian]

So you trade a bit of DPS to become immortal against ST attacks

Yeah, her burst is disgusting

[heady field]

Yeah I figured all those additional hits and increased ROF would mean something

[deft obsidian]

S Sakura with the damage of two SW bursts

[exotic forum]

isn't her main attack 600% per sec

that should be pretty good no?

[agile pilot]

she's sbs but with ASS instead of alice

[deft obsidian]

Also yeah, she benefits from Exia/S Anis

[heady field]

Yeah being electric was the first thing I noticed

Now I don't have to feel bad for not pulling Ein

[silver owl]

...same

still though Ein nearly bis or still is for mirror container

[lavish bridge]

it's alright

compare to sbs on burst

[silver owl]

damage seems decently close

[deft obsidian]

Yeah, for a Defender, her damage is through the roof

[tight prism]

where are you guys getting cindys damage numbers from

[silver owl]

oh true

defender catching up to attacker numbers is pretty good

[deft obsidian]

Very good

[exotic forum]

is the auto part her 32% * 2

isn't the s1 portion supposed to be like twice as much as the auto

[elder pier]

Maybe he count core hit

[exotic forum]

oh

oh yeah the s1 wouldn't core hit

[frigid pumice]

thats not mid at all bruh

[lavish bridge]

oh wait wrong SBS

i should sleep

[elder pier]

First burst, so thats like how many stacks on cindy?

[lavish bridge]

like

1

lol

[frigid pumice]

O.o

[lavish bridge]

cuz u burst in 3 seconds

[elder pier]

Oh ok

[agile pilot]

so what happens on full stacks?

[silver owl]

...so basically with more stacks she could possibly overtake?

[deft obsidian]

Unless you save her to burst second

[silver owl]

or am I reading this wrong

[deft obsidian]

Where then you're looking at 6-ish stacks

[silver owl]

oh

[deft obsidian]

She starts battle with a decoy

[exotic forum]

yeah doesn't scale much

[silver owl]

does she still need a buff then?

[exotic forum]

so even if it expires, not the end of the world

[silver owl]

maybe just a bit higher hp > atk conversion to sweeten it

[deft obsidian]

Potentially 2nd highest DPS in the game and still needs buff

[lavish bridge]

no lol she doesnt need a buff

[deft obsidian]

[lavish bridge]

SBS is just the best lol

[silver owl]

👍 noted

[deft obsidian]

She's stronger than RH

nuff said

[frigid pumice]

sbs won cause she is attacker

[deft obsidian]

Precisely

[frigid pumice]

which makes this more impressive

[deft obsidian]

and that's a marginal DPS difference compared to the fact that killing Cindy will be insanely hard

She starts battle with 196% HP that includes ST OHKO immunity

[lavish bridge]

96% of SBS

[deft obsidian]

And regains +96% HP every burst

[agile pilot]

wish she had taunt to take advantage of that fat ass

[shrewd bloom]

30 minutes for datamining

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012288696336273428/1273325008659152946/1310883C0227AE2D882CBE8964BFFF55_0.gif

[deft obsidian]

I think most people aren't processing just how much tank this unit has

[frigid pumice]

Thiccerella

[deft obsidian]

All of the Solo Raid bosses that bully the highest ATK unit

[elder pier]

This comparing with full team buffs and everything right? Like alice on sbs

[deft obsidian]

Cindy just gonna groom herself in the mirror

[lavish bridge]

decoy is taunt

like

always taunt

[deft obsidian]

Decoy is not taunt

[lavish bridge]

is it not?

[frigid pumice]

maybe instead of Cindy Ein maybe Cindy Guilo when theres a core

hmmmmm

[deft obsidian]

No

Delta and Rei have taunts in their kits

[lavish bridge]

[deft obsidian]

If you don't burst with Rei, she won't get targeted

[plucky rampart]

Its your second cover?

[deft obsidian]

Yup

[silver owl]

second becomes third when you burst

[deft obsidian]

Delta's burst both creates a decoy and taunts

Rei has a decoy at base but only taunts if she bursts

[lavish bridge]

ah

thanks

[deft obsidian]

I've used her as off-burst before and she didn't take aggro

[frigid pumice]

defender.

[fallen quartz]

So MLB not scale well with Cindy?

[silver owl]

wait, each individual decoy has their own health right?

unless they combine together or something

[lavish bridge]

seems pretty badly scale ngl

[deft obsidian]

Yeah, the bright side of her low scaling numbers is that whales have less of an advantage grabbing dupes

[fallen quartz]

yeah, just like shield HP

unless SU update UI

[twin hornet]

How about grave does she scale with dupes tho

[deft obsidian]

She's a DPS

Of course

All DPS units want dupes

[silver owl]

so basically 3 covers stacked on top of each other

[fallen quartz]

She is supporter

[frigid pumice]

grave's role is just bruh

[lavish bridge]

she's a mid dps with a strong buff kit that doesnt scale with dupe

[fallen quartz]

beside, you use her to buff mostly

[deft obsidian]

Never said she's an Attacker

[twin hornet]

So its 42 pulls 400 gold mileage angle

[frigid pumice]

Supporter by name DPS by heart, reminds me of a certain Soda loving nikke

[fallen quartz]

Hmm, so Max HP dps NIKKE scale bad on MLB

damn

[lavish bridge]

very bad scaling, only mlb for wall paper

[sullen forum]

grave is also a full support tho

[deft obsidian]

Her numbers are way lower than 2Bs

for the HP/ATK scaling

[sullen forum]

she doesn't cut down from buffs to be a dps

[silver owl]

raon what was your cindy testing team again?

[deft obsidian]

The other parts of her kit compensate for that

[fallen quartz]

I guess to make Max HP dps NIKKE deserve more copy, it should scale based on % more

or at least give more bonus on HP

[deft obsidian]

2B is high HP→ATK scaling with garbage everything else

[lavish bridge]

etto
Rog Crown Cindy Rin Sanis

[deft obsidian]

Cindy is low HP→ATK scaling with glorious everything else

[elder pier]

Wait rouge max hp buff is based on her casters hp right?

[lavish bridge]

yes

[fallen quartz]

Rogue/Mast/Cindy

that is your core

[lavish bridge]

core 7 rogue where?

[fallen quartz]

2B on 4th slot

5th is flex

[silver owl]

my shitty luck not allowing me to pull rouge is haunting me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040253746405445722/1235861670178328596/d7616c12456cf74bdd450658aa6dddd790bbde1669fbb2fe3a4c8099db6faeb6.gif

[deft obsidian]

Throw Noise in for funzies

[fallen quartz]

Max Ammo and Elemental dmg OL are high priority, crit chance and atk passable

[deft obsidian]

Make sure that decoy never breaks

[lavish bridge]

i pulled rog cuz i had a feeling they gonna throw some shit that scale with HP later

[deft obsidian]

Yuuup

[fallen quartz]

does that shit name NIKKE

[deft obsidian]

I hadn't invested in anything but her S1 until now

[fallen quartz]

we can use a re-enter B1 Max HP buff NIKKE

that basically complete the whole comp

[deft obsidian]

Now she's 10/10/10

[lavish bridge]

fk i just realize this...

[frigid pumice]

need to reset some one...

[silver owl]

...shit

SU why so many 10/10/10 units lately

[plucky rampart]

Already 4 ol but still 10/4/4 maybe I should considered skill up again

[frigid pumice]

Summer ross ?

[silver owl]

[silver owl]

yeah s.rosy kinda dead now

with grave and mari being in the picture

[fallen quartz]

^

you can reset summer ross

[twin hornet]

Is mast actually good i thought we benched her for months

[lavish bridge]

naw

i doubt Mast HP buff even land on Cindy properly

[silver owl]

4/4/4 s.rosy prob not worth resetting tho right?

that's barely any skill mats back

[wind cloak]

Yeah, I also have my SRosanna to 4/4/4

[shrewd bloom]

That's just 2 day of mats yeah

Not worth

[deft obsidian]

Mast is niche good

but non-whales wouldn't have the investment in her to make her worthwhile

We have too many good B2s now

[silver owl]

I don't think I have anyone worht resetting besides

argh

[deft obsidian]

Although we have skill reset active this raid

[silver owl]

I literally have no idea

[lavish bridge]

giving Cindy attack damage is better anyways
than more HP

[deft obsidian]

so you could reset someone not being used, invest in Mast, then reset her after scoring

[silver owl]

it doesn't help that I got scarlet yesterday and I'm trying to invest into her for pvp

[lavish bridge]

The issue is mast HP buff might not land on Cindy at all

[fallen quartz]

her decoy you mean?

[shrewd bloom]

The only "over investment" I have done recently was with Rosanna
(7/7/10) , but she is probably the reason why I will keep my Challenger 1 for a little while so it is worth it

[fallen quartz]

ah yes

Mast only buff two highest dps

that can easily fix, you just don't max gear 2B... fuck

[lavish bridge]

Cindy only get the extra atk on B3

[fallen quartz]

Mast's buff need a rework

buff two highest Max HP

because she is build for that comp, why buff highest atk bruh

[elder pier]

Thats not allowed

Shes elysion

[deft obsidian]

It's fine

We're getting Tactical Up

Ingrid's finally showing us what Elysion's about

[fallen quartz]

about stuck on floor 325?

Elysion tower

[deft obsidian]

Which one is that? I passed it recently, but Phantom's made everything so easy that I don't remember

[lavish bridge]

do u really OL phantom?

[deft obsidian]

Yup

7/7/7, +3/+3/+3/+0

Easily highest damage pretty much every stage

I don't even pause.

[lavish bridge]

instead of ein

[sacred grove]

[deft obsidian]

What happens if Exia+ instead of Maxwell?

[lavish bridge]

uhh

later

im tucked in bed

[wheat vault]

can she replace ein for ch 32 hard boss?

[deft obsidian]

Curious what Exia burst over Rouge burst would do to damage

[patent pebble]

I'm reading Cindy's kit and I'm getting that the unit is really really bad for story but good for PvP?

[lavish bridge]

dont think so
u prob want cindy ein sanis

[deft obsidian]

Ein vs Cindy for MC might be a hard contest

since true damage gimmick

[lavish bridge]

yea

[wheat vault]

no exia+ then?

[deft obsidian]

Probably

[lavish bridge]

idk exia sorry

[wheat vault]

[deft obsidian]

Rouge/Crown/Ein/Cindy/S Anis off-burst

[lavish bridge]

she's really good for pve, not sure about pvp, but prob good too

[wheat vault]

where exia

[topaz rampart]

fire and electric is sure very comfy with that many available options

[exotic forum]

she's at least ein tier for pvp

[deft obsidian]

Water and Wind in a corner crying

[sullen forum]

isn't random targeted burst decent in pvp

due to taunts

[deft obsidian]

QeQ and Phantom release! Chatterbox co-op! Who's used? SBS

[exotic forum]

her burst should be just like ein burst in pvp

if I mathed right

roughly same dmg

[simple dock]

i never use RL/SR unit for coop

who got the finger for it

[patent pebble]

Yeah but reading the kit (didn't see Gameplay) It feels like underpowered compared to SBS and Red Hood?

Imo

[deft obsidian]

Cuz you're probably only reading the shiny numbers

[exotic forum]

her kit looks like trash yes

[patent pebble]

672% * 10 isn't good

For a pilgrim standard

[exotic forum]

low ass numbers and all that

[deft obsidian]

She fires 3 times/second with additional damage procs

[sullen forum]

calcs said 3rd best dps

🤷‍♂️

[lavish bridge]

her damage is absurd lol

[exotic forum]

ik, but kit looks trash

what's more impressive visually, 2.71% hp to atk or 100% atk% boost

[modest nest]

alright

[deft obsidian]

Hold on, we need the copypasta

[patent pebble]

Probably has to do with the gameplay

[wind matrix]

what matters is on field

[modest nest]

so I believe she's the best dps without condition

better than SBS

[patent pebble]

24 bullets base on RL was weird enough

[wind matrix]

so...

[fallen quartz]

you forgot her normal atk

[modest nest]

her skill to dmg ratio is around 25% full buff to 35% non buff

[wind matrix]

guess cindy is saved?

[sullen forum]

I think sbs is still better on lower core uptime

[modest nest]

so her attacks hit very hard

[fallen quartz]

sure, dps per hit is not high, but her atk spd is insane

[wind matrix]

oh, okay..good

[patent pebble]

Need to watch Gameplay then

[modest nest]

even without core

[exotic forum]

she won't suffer the aoe issue that sbs suffers from

[modest nest]

her bonus dmg is gay

[exotic forum]

where too many enemies result in no one actually dying

not as good as true aoe, but it's good enough to kill a few

instead of no one

[agile pilot]

maxwell?

[nimble crypt]

so, miderella or not?

[patent pebble]

First of all is that a manual Alice and second, why Rouge?

[wind matrix]

seems saved from midrella

[lavish bridge]

it's a manual alice (4 shots per sec) and rouge for HP buff for cindy

[sullen forum]

rouge is the best b1 for her I guess

[patent pebble]

Thank god I pulled Rouge

3 of them to be exact

[sullen forum]

also whats the modifiers ? she gained a lot of damage compared to your last post

[nimble crypt]

cindy-rouge-b3-mast-flex

[lavish bridge]

i just changed out Ein for Maxwell lol

Ein doesnt do anything except personal damage

[sullen forum]

classic mw s1 being broken

noted

[lavish bridge]

lol

[wind matrix]

ok good, i'm glad both gacha is actually worth it

[elder pier]

Wouldnt her burst skill dmg kinda spread among multiple enemies? If you wanna focus down asingle target?

[wind matrix]

and it's MT

[deft obsidian]

i'm honestly amazed how nikke community sometimes overrate some characters and underrate other.
I'm failing to understand in what pink-glassed world cinderella is a must pull when we have literally stronger defender DPS unit which is 2B (-6.16% of hp) and we even have Kilo for that role. Damage buffs are mid at best and only because damage type is an indirect SBS buff who is already op. All other dmg buffs are shit af - 1.6%? don't make me laugh. Decoy buffs are weird as well because you realistically need 12 of them and buff needs decoy to be alive, which leads to your decoy dying and not getting the buffs (and she also takes damage from AoE attacks).
Conclusion: easy skip, only usable for those who don't have 2B on account or for niche strat to stack buffs with Mast/Rouge, which will crumble the moment your precious single dps character gets a sneeze from high dmg attack.

[lavish bridge]

cindy burst gonna spread as well prob?

[exotic forum]

yeah

but not as severe as sbs

where it's spread completely

sorta inbetween

plus her autos should be ST

[wind matrix]

it's just how community work

we speculate

[sullen forum]

who typed thisfirst

[gloomy steeple]

some guy on reddit?

[nimble crypt]

where i can find this template?

[wind matrix]

[sullen forum]

I got baited to gatrix calcs

but man this man is deep

[deft obsidian]

#1214891523024359454 message

[patent pebble]

Imagine ranting like that BEFORE trying a character in Nikke

[deft obsidian]

The original

When everyone said DKW was trash cuz her numbers looked low

[patent pebble]

Sure you can speculate but deeming It trash before going live in this Game is just no

[deft obsidian]

(before people realized where pierce damage buffs go in the formula)

[wind matrix]

was about to say dkw

[deft obsidian]

Welp, time to sleep during maintenance so I can be up for when it's live

[patent pebble]

I'm assuming that if her main damage are her basic attacks then she will work closely to Modernia where you don't want to use her ult in some comps?

[nimble crypt]

btw, ch33-34 still in crystal region

f if the boss is freaking Crystal Chamber again

or worse, Mirror Container

[elder pier]

Wouldnt it be behemoth?

[nimble crypt]

dev said behemoth is the boss on story event

[topaz rampart]

I just hope there won't be any more mirror container re-fights

[nimble crypt]

not main event

storm bringer (A.N.M.I)

[fallen quartz]

Why not? we have CC for 3 chapters, let go wild

[exotic forum]

mod I think still does more if neither bursts

[wind matrix]

CC, but red

[exotic forum]

but cindy shouldn't be far behind

[wind matrix]

how abou that

[lavish bridge]

her damage is very spread
but you do want to burst her since it's a good chunk

[wind matrix]

[topaz rampart]

I have enough of Nihilister back then, still Mad at how many times fighting chamber, and if there's more Container, I would just pass pushing hard campaign until blue CP

[lavish bridge]

oh btw guys

[exotic forum]

st burst with cindy, aoe burst with mod

[tight prism]

i still don't see where your testing her dmg

[lavish bridge]

i might have made a mistake

[exotic forum]

and when your rh/alice is bursting, you got a shit ton of off-burst dmg

[lavish bridge]

you know her burst damage

[sullen forum]

another bait

[exotic forum]

uh oh

[lavish bridge]

will it benefit from full burst multiplier?

[nimble crypt]

but Cindy burst attack single random, so she's not recommended for campaign

[lavish bridge]

since its not a single nuke hit?

[exotic forum]

does ein benefit from full burst

[lavish bridge]

[patent pebble]

I mean there's not much of a point to use her burst if the decoy is still up

[deft obsidian]

Does S Sakura's?

[exotic forum]

if ein does, hers should as well

[elder pier]

The additional dmg should

[lavish bridge]

like Ssakura

[deft obsidian]

Ein's burst works differently

[nimble crypt]

620% hit 10 times

[elder pier]

But not the first line

[deft obsidian]

Ein's is just an RoF buff for her feathers

[lavish bridge]

yeah this is what im asking

[plucky rampart]

Theres speculation that the add work but not the main one

[deft obsidian]

S Sakura has identical base mechanic (just trades the DoT secondary for an additional damage proc)

[nimble crypt]

Ein like pseudo AoE

Cindy is more like SSakura

[lavish bridge]

need to test on live
cuz if it would do even more damage

[exotic forum]

does ssakura hit pvp in order from p1 to p5 and repeat

[lavish bridge]

than what i shown

[deft obsidian]

S Sakura's hits are over the course of 2.2 seconds iirc

[exotic forum]

eh shouldn't be a big deal

[deft obsidian]

I've never paid attention to whether the subsequent hits deal more damage than the first

[plucky rampart]

All ten hit immuned defender lol

[exotic forum]

if they run noah biscuit you're probably fcked anyway as cindy if it was instant

[deft obsidian]

30% boost is a big deal

[lavish bridge]

should just be even more damage

[deft obsidian]

Her burst is already the highest chunk of her kit (at least on paper)

[lavish bridge]

cant test now

gonna go to sleep to time skip

[exotic forum]

just to check, any way to control F search in just a specific thread

[deft obsidian]

Keep in mind that if you have less than 3x ammo, most likely you'll need to switch to Cindy before full burst to make sure she reloads

otherwise you'll lose damage from reload

cuz she can only fire 30 shots in a full burst

[lavish bridge]

ideally i think u should just have 35 ish anmo so she auto reload without interference

[exotic forum]

it'll prob desync eventually unless perfect ammo amount

[nimble crypt]

hmm should OL ammo on Cindy then

[lavish bridge]

less than 35 maybe 32-34

[deft obsidian]

Probably, but more ammo means less likely

[lavish bridge]

it'll actually brick if u have too much ammo

[deft obsidian]

Hm?

Or just put her with Noir

[lavish bridge]

if u have to manual reload every off burst

then u lose burst gen

[deft obsidian]

True, though we don't know what her gen is like

If she's SMG/MG tier, then meh

[exotic forum]

it's not very high, I know that for sure

[lavish bridge]

not just her burst gen

[exotic forum]

each hit is pixels of gen on behemoth (2x boss bonus)

[lavish bridge]

you lose the time where u can switch to others and manual

[nimble crypt]

i think cindy AoE same as SBS

[deft obsidian]

Ah true

[lavish bridge]

so that's a lot actually

[deft obsidian]

4x ammo is ideal, of course

[nimble crypt]

we have Emilia which has large AoE

[deft obsidian]

and since ATK is optional, that shouldn't be too hard

[lavish bridge]

atk isnt optional

[deft obsidian]

Hm?

[lavish bridge]

still by far better than charge damage or crit

[deft obsidian]

Well yeah

but less than ele/ammo

[exotic forum]

if it's 3rd prio then it's optional to me

[deft obsidian]

and not critical for her performance

I mean it's not like Charge Speed on Alice

where her kit won't function without it

[lavish bridge]

why more ammo just need to get 50%

[wind matrix]

fishing 3 lines is hard

[lavish bridge]

well ok optional then

[deft obsidian]

with 50% most of the time she'll reload during burst

She fires 3 rounds a second

[lavish bridge]

no? she'll just reload once off burst

[deft obsidian]

50% just gives her 36

2s generation for full burst maximum or she'll lose shots

That's not comfy

[lavish bridge]

hang on

[topaz rampart]

imagine t11 got you 68.9% ammo but that bricks more than having a 50%

[lavish bridge]

well a bit more or less than 36

but not too much

[deft obsidian]

45 ammo is probably most comfy

Gives you 5s room to fire

[lavish bridge]

that makes u manual reload

[exotic forum]

so just an initial ammo roll is fine

[deft obsidian]

15 shots outside of burst, 30 inside

[exotic forum]

or is that too much

[lavish bridge]

ok what about the next burst

[modest nest]

1 ammo line is enough

[lavish bridge]

lol

[exotic forum]

use of crown would skew timings a bit due to reload speed

[deft obsidian]

If she's used with Crown, yeah

[lavish bridge]

hmm its hard to accommodate her for both with and without crown

[deft obsidian]

Reload + charge time is 3s

[lavish bridge]

[deft obsidian]

9/15 off-burst shots now added

Meaning you have 39 shots for your burst

9 off-burst until reload

3 seconds to reload/charge

45 rounds in third burst

It'll take until the fourth burst to reload within full burst

[lavish bridge]

that still lose you more damage than reloading once every off burst

[deft obsidian]

and that's just with 87.5% max ammo

[exotic forum]

that's a hard amount to get

need 2 low rolls

[deft obsidian]

Get 4x and now it takes 16 burst

[deft obsidian]

Or a black roll

[lavish bridge]

4x + bastion lmao

[exotic forum]

oh yeah bastion

[topaz rampart]

I actually didn't really like how the recommendation of ammo lines are based on line amount, why don't give specific % like charge speed.
the range of ammo line is huge, imagine getting 31.95% and thinking that is enough but turn's out not really

[lavish bridge]

that's just a waste when u can get crit rate/ charge damage

[deft obsidian]

But yeah, Bastion is probably just the easier way to go

That + 1 ammo should do the trick

sadly my bastion is way lower level than resilience

[lavish bridge]

bastion is also random ish which i dont like

[weary walrus]

????

[deft obsidian]

24 base ammo makes bastion quite usable

[frigid pumice]

both my bastion and resiliance still stuck at lvl 10 kek

[weary walrus]

how is it random

[deft obsidian]

When it procs or doesn't

Unless you're counting shots, like for SG/SR, some clips you get extra ammo

some you don't

[frigid pumice]

look like datamine started

[lavish bridge]

it's random when u want her to reload during a very specific 3 seconds window

look your burst gen should be around 3-4s anyways

she just need to fire 30 shots during full burst, reload , fire 3-4 shots more at most before entering full bursts again

so 33-35 is fine

more space for other damage lines

why have more when less is perfect

[deft obsidian]

It'll be more fun to try her with Crown/Privaty/Resilience anyway and just have infinite ammo

[exotic forum]

still gotta charge

and you gotta charge more often due to ammo cut

[deft obsidian]

Charge is just the usual 1s tho

[exotic forum]

unless infinite ammo technically means you don't reload

[deft obsidian]

Not like she got Scarlet/Phantom treatment

[deft obsidian]

Yeah

I wonder if that works

[fluid bone]

that entirely depends on how her attack works when she starts machine gunning

[lavish bridge]

i can imagine 100% reload speed fking her up it'll be hilarious

[deft obsidian]

With high enough reload, your ammo acount doesn't go down

[fluid bone]

if she DOESN'T go into cover then no infinite ammo

[deft obsidian]

so realistically she shouldn't have to re-charge

[lavish bridge]

she doesnt

[fluid bone]

yeah so no infinite ammo then

[deft obsidian]

Hm?

[fluid bone]

you do know infinite ammo on SR/RL is triggered by the fact they shoot

go into cover and shoot

that go into cover even if 1frame =instant reload

[deft obsidian]

Ohhhhhhhh

I did not realize that

[lavish bridge]

yeah

[deft obsidian]

That makes sense now tho

[exotic forum]

[topaz rampart]

biscuit time

[exotic forum]

what counts as going into cover though

bc visually you can spam so they don't

wouldn't it be the same as alice's situation

[lavish bridge]

they still do

[exotic forum]

100% charge speed

[deft obsidian]

If you can hold and fire, there's no going into cover

[exotic forum]

but still going into cover

[lavish bridge]

well Cindy doesnt

[exotic forum]

does auto bscar work with inf ammo

[lavish bridge]

alice still does

[deft obsidian]

Like RH doesn't go into cover after her burst shots (not that it matters anyway)

[lavish bridge]

she works

[exotic forum]

oh

then yeah cindy prob works fine

[deft obsidian]

You can't hold and keep firing with SBS

but Cindy can

No fingerbreaking

[lavish bridge]

sometimes i feel like she's a bit glitchy but might be just my imagination

[deft obsidian]

But honestly we'll have to see

[exotic forum]

yeah a few times she does glitch

[deft obsidian]

It's a new mechanic technically

[exotic forum]

I've seen her cover for a split sec when boss is fully on screen

[lavish bridge]

when SBS has 100%+ reload speed?
do u feel it too?

[deft obsidian]

Cuz she's technically just firing full charged shots

Hard to say how devs coded it

[exotic forum]

I haven't tried 100% reload

[lavish bridge]

prob just me then lol

[exotic forum]

or maybe that was 100% reload since crown priv

not sure if I encounter it in kraken or just SR

[lavish bridge]

yeah she feels glitchy idk

[fluid bone]

do you keep bastion on SBS or resilience

[topaz rampart]

can't get 100% without resil i think?

[lavish bridge]

resil when with liter cuz higher level for me
without liter need bastion

[fluid bone]

yeah that's what I mean

cause I just perma leave bastion on SBS myself

[deft obsidian]

Admi + Privaty + Crown

[fallen quartz]

Kisenix is right, Cindy is trash

[lavish bridge]

i just use resil cuz higher cube level

[deft obsidian]

Also S Anis + Privaty + Crown I think

[lavish bridge]

• cube

[dusky niche]

I'm late for party
have you guys decided which will go with Cindy: Rogue or Exia?

[deft obsidian]

Oh, need cube with S Anis?

[fluid bone]

hmm then SBS should be insta reloading for you

[deft obsidian]

Can't remember her reload value

[fallen quartz]

Who built Exia?

[deft obsidian]

Me!

[lavish bridge]

yea

[fallen quartz]

Who else

[deft obsidian]

I still have Exia's S1 at 4, but

[fallen quartz]

only you

[deft obsidian]

Plenty of people have

Kira has

[lavish bridge]

noone else
means i dont have to calc exia right??

[deft obsidian]

Over 1/5 of top 50

👀

[modest nest]

confirm 3 hits per sec

[lavish bridge]

thank god

[fallen quartz]

Rogue is better I think

because of CDR too

[lavish bridge]

the thing is

[deft obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/xmen-97-rogue-hair-flip-x-men-97-gif-9559882622494787549

[lavish bridge]

do you do rogue maxwell or rogue exia

we'll never know

[deft obsidian]

I'll check when she's out

[lavish bridge]

i will never know

cuz no exia

[fallen quartz]

I have Maxwell, don't dethrone her

also core 7 too

[lavish bridge]

yeah

[deft obsidian]

C7 Maxwell is dangerous

[lavish bridge]

while u have to skill up exia

[deft obsidian]

Won't give buffs away

[lavish bridge]

and treasure

[lavish bridge]

she will

[deft obsidian]

I really like Exia (especially her skin), so I was hyped she became useful

[lavish bridge]

fair

i really like maxwell

[deft obsidian]

Yeah, I like both

Maxwell is useful everywhere tho

Exia has one niche

[lavish bridge]

toilet ambush

[fallen quartz]

hmm, so flex is Maxwell?

[lavish bridge]

í

bro í

[fallen quartz]

you saw nothing, carry on

[topaz rampart]

exia can stay with ein-sanis (and volume too)

[lavish bridge]

yeah maxwell is da goat flex

but not caster atk buff

[topaz rampart]

wait what? doesn't maxwell adds atk? what's with caster attack buff?

[deft obsidian]

She adds flat ATK

Not ATK based on Caster's ATK

[lavish bridge]

basically add 43% OL atk for any unit she buffs

unfortunately

cuz everyone has core 7 maxwell by now

[topaz rampart]

so because Cindy is a defender, she will only get 43% of her OL defender stat?

[dusky niche]

flat ATK buff isn't so good for defenders

[lavish bridge]

yes

[fallen quartz]

better than atk buff

until we get a critical chance buffer

[simple dock]

who do you put for a max hp team? cindy, rouge, x, mast, x

[topaz rampart]

ah I see, so "attackers caster's attack" is the best of it

[lavish bridge]

depends
if your attacker is 0lb then

[topaz rampart]

my maxwell only 10/4/7, good thing she is core 6

[deft obsidian]

Supporter that has flat ATK buffs 👌
Attacker that has flat ATK buffs

[topaz rampart]

that's why grandma is still the best b1

[plucky rampart]

Lol anis and maxwell should switch their atk buff

[dusky niche]

the grandama is the best because she has everything

[lavish bridge]

rouge mast cindy 2b quiry

[dusky niche]

stronk atk buff, cdr, cover hp recover

[simple dock]

2b fine no resets

[lavish bridge]

just reset her

[agile pilot]

she only does sbs-tier damage

[modest nest]

doesn't look like that on my book

[wheat vault]

godlet rank 6 :kaka:

[modest nest]

Alice 4 hits btw

pushing her higher will land in top 1... fast ban

[exotic forum]

why is xlud higher

[modest nest]

xlud is always strong on my book