[Cinderella] New Unit Megathread

[sullen forum]

[ivory heath]

Pilgrims are flooded with attackers

They want you to use those support/defender sets

[heavy scaffold]

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/120030002?mode=best&p=1
the mentat version of calculation isn't out yet but rough one is that she alone is 0.95 sbs with alice and 1.09 with rouge, 1.15 with rouge+sanis

[wind matrix]

When people realized 2.7% of caster max hp

[rigid cosmos]

i mean her burst will still probably do mad damage on bosses with no adds, so that's some consolation at least

[ivory heath]

But kisenix says rouge sucks for her

[rigid cosmos]

the rng kinda locks her out of campaign though

[lost zinc]

At 4shots /s Alice? or Auto Alice

[sullen forum]

what I heard from this is "better sbs"

I'll spread this

[broken berry]

I predict a buff is in Cindy's future

[wind matrix]

I hope our skepticism was proven wrong tho

But yeah

[uneven cargo]

Lore doesn't specify unit specialization. Besides that we had defender on 1.5 anniv, so no point to push Cindy as Defender.

[ivory heath]

I ended up being right

[sand mesa]

I think the logic stems from Glass slippers being defensive, while also having a lot of firepower

[ivory heath]

The most hype stuff from this anniv is the SBS costume

[stone urchin]

No qay it look better than cindy

If you hate cindy then fine

[rigid cosmos]

i mean lore wise the slippers reflect attacks, so they could've done something with that. something like give her a taunt and then *deals x amount of damage taken to all enemies"

[uneven cargo]

Glass slipper has high offense and defense, so they could do whatever with Cindy and would work with proper kit

[frigid pumice]

they dint hold back huh

[copper ice]

Shes not heavy for campaign probably makes it less for me togo for core

[tawdry minnow]

She will do more dmg than scarlet or redhood?

[rigid cosmos]

she's terrible for campaign. her burst dps is rng

[rigid cosmos]

absolutely not lol

[tawdry minnow]

o7

[ivory heath]

More than OG scarlet maybe

Not red hood tho

[uneven cargo]

Making her Attacker with Decoys being able to tank damage would have more sense, than defender with hp conversion to atk

[rigid cosmos]

a defender class is never going to deal more dps than RH. no matter what their kit is

[uneven cargo]

Lore Wise, Cinderella was able to clap cheeks of entire Goddess Squad on her own. Cinderella as unit some weirdge defender

[broken berry]

Cindy has the 2b problem, held back by being a defender it seems,

[uneven cargo]

2B as Defender was also dumb choice, but i guess SU never learns on their own mistakes xD

Not to mention situation with Mid Hood last year

[frigid pumice]

bump up the multiplier they are so scared about it lol

is the repeat ofr first anni

[brave socket]

This and hoyo games are the only games I see people getting angry over no powercreep lmao

[ivory heath]

True lmao

[rigid cosmos]

tbf, cindi has every reason to powercreep. she's been hyped for longer than red hood was

[uneven cargo]

there are "expectations" from Anniv units which also lore-wise are strong AF

[ivory heath]

People want power creep

[brave socket]

literally in other games when ani units suck no one bats an eye

[simple dock]

i want power but i dont want creep

[uneven cargo]

I wonder what are "other" games

[brave socket]

the problem is if they buff it again the powercreep will get higher and higher and higher and higher until people dont have gems

anything not hoyo or nikke

[rigid cosmos]

they set a precedent with doro and red hood. this is gonna happen every year

[sullen forum]

hoyo gets 1 char per 6 months so they deserve power creep

[uneven cargo]

Name the games

[brave socket]

I actually hope they ignore it since they didnt show her being stronger in an early video

so they break the chain

[sand mesa]

90% of the units in this game are shit or incredibly niche so if anything the game needs more good units

[chilly kernel]

We need math nerds pvp live stream

[brave socket]

doubt . If cinder becomes op , someone else becomes mid

[uneven cargo]

So? Any names of the game. I'm very curious

[sullen forum]

tbh all we want anni unit to be good, they don't need to be meta breaking

but being below 2b

is just...

[broken berry]

Not the play

[green verge]

being below 2B is just a meme lol

[brave socket]

I already said which games it happens , in the rest it doesnt

[sullen forum]

we needed half of the buff rh got

[brave socket]

or at least not to the degree where game actualyl changes anything

[sullen forum]

they went all in rh buff too

[rigid cosmos]

i mean drunk scarlet is still very viable. a bunch of other dps being more meta doesnt change that

[green verge]

She prob isn;t as strong as Alice, but no way she's below 2B

[sullen forum]

the cope on the scar

?

[uneven cargo]

wrong replay

[rigid cosmos]

im not saying she's still a top tier, but she still performs very well

[uneven cargo]

So you can't name even one game?

[brave socket]

Im not going to because you're going to reply "this game is not popular , this game is not X , this game is not Y"

im not going to enter there

[uneven cargo]

Oh so you are just yapping

[brave socket]

ye sure bud

[uneven cargo]

[torn raven]

What would be a good buff for Miderella anyway?

[uneven cargo]

Love it ❤️

[silver owl]

Just name some for the sake of it

[gray temple]

People want powercreep when they can get the units, people don't want powercreep when they can't get the units, majority of people that's how it goes

[brave socket]

One piece treasure cruise

lets see what problem you have with it

[torn raven]

Like...remove the need for her to be in burst for her HP conversion, make it 4%?

[brave socket]

hell I dont think even in zenless people would complain

it's mostly genshin

[uneven cargo]

In Genshin people were complaining for having shit rewards on anniv, never heard about units

[rigid cosmos]

make the hp scaling bigger

[uneven cargo]

1st Anniv HSR free unit was apparently really big

[brave socket]

every unit gets complaint about in leak period

[topaz rampart]

zenless people complain a lot even it's leak, like wtf that's not even the final 😂

[tawdry minnow]

Well 3 multis in the 4rth year is a bit xd when in nikke we have 200 draws

[brave socket]

well then it helps to prove my point. But in the rest of the games in the world it doesnt

[uneven cargo]

Imagine people not wanting to waste resources on shit unit during big events like Anniv xD

[tawdry minnow]

[torn raven]

4.25 HP conversion without the need for it to be during burst should be good, right?

[brave socket]

You are not forced to pull bruh

[topaz rampart]

just bunch of idoit

[brave socket]

you can skip the unit you know ?

[uneven cargo]

XD

Oh my

[tawdry minnow]

Based

[rigid cosmos]

i dont do the math, i just look for big number

[torn raven]

"Skip the anniversary"

My word

[uneven cargo]

Let's don't pull for Cindy guys, we are not forced

Just Skip Anniv, because unit is Mid

[brave socket]

if it is, what's the problem?

[rigid cosmos]

cindi is bait, grave the real anni pilgrim

[copper ice]

No 2b here, im fucked arent i

[torn raven]

Fellas, have you considered skipping the biggest event in the entire calendar year for this gacha?

[tawdry minnow]

Well i think nike its like pokemon "gotcha catch them all"

[broken berry]

I think it's perfectly valid to complain if the anni character who has been hyped for a while is mid

[brave socket]

it's THEIR problem if they dont release a good unit and lose revenue

[brave socket]

then you can pull and keep in closet. Like most other shitty units

[torn raven]

And then we tell them to buff and they buff then we all have soft tacos later

[tawdry minnow]

True

[uneven cargo]

Have you considered not being upset for the strongest Nikke being mid as playable unit? XD

[sand mesa]

I've never played a gacha where people weren't mad about an anni unit sucking

[potent sapphire]

people here

[copper ice]

They wont make more than last year , cinderella is not special like rh

[torn raven]

I remember when people were arguing FOR Red Hood being mid hood.

[rigid cosmos]

this makes me scared for what's gonna happen when they drop lillith in ten years

[torn raven]

I was like 'what lmao'

Man shift up need to learn

[brave socket]

the "this unit is the strongest in the lore" is also a thing that a lot of gachas dont respect , but sure

[torn raven]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

[potent sapphire]

lore = gameplay

[uneven cargo]

And how it ended? Mid Hood got buffed and everybody were happy. Imagine not voicing out opinion whenever devs are really pulling some shit out of their asses and expect to get paid for it

[torn raven]

Exactly!

[rigid cosmos]

nihilister

[torn raven]

We deserve better.

[potent sapphire]

Cindy should do more dmg than entire goddess squad combined

[broken berry]

Been beggin for a nihilister buff for ages

[uneven cargo]

Meanwhile this kabutozero boi is happy with whatever shit is served. Just dig in mate, till it is hot

[green verge]

Cindy is the A2 of anniv

[rigid cosmos]

surely she'll get a favorite item to make her better than RH

[brave socket]

Bruh , I dont have to give a single gem if I dont like the unit LMAO

[potent sapphire]

no one is forcing you to pull bro if unit is mid just skip

[broken berry]

Will become meta trust

[brave socket]

And I will still get her cuz I have 1000 tickets

[green verge]

great against her shilled SR, benched after that

[brave socket]

she can eat dust at the wardrobe for all I care

this game is f2p as hell

[uneven cargo]

You are just some weird tourist. Do you even play the game? Because you don't seems to give a damn about it

[potent sapphire]

[broken berry]

I have seen people get frustrated at games for less, didn't the entire cn side of gfl riot at one point cause they felt they got screwed?

[brave socket]

imagine giving a damn about an unreleased unit being good or not LUL

not going to change my gameplay or my life

[broken berry]

Cool, then bro, bounce out

[potent sapphire]

even if new unit is mid no one is screwing anyone

[torn raven]

I don't get it. "They lose revenue, they fucked up"

And why should we not talk about thir? Why should we stay silent? Like...what's your train of thought here? Just shut up and stop playing and summoning in the gacha game because you don't like what they're doing? What's the thought process here. Tell me.

[sand mesa]

People skip most of the banners out of the year so I think it's pretty justifiable if Cinderella fans are disappointed

[brave socket]

you can talk about it. Riling up over it? that's something else

[sand mesa]

It also sets a bad precedent for further anniversaries if people just expect disappointing units

[torn raven]

Bruh, that's the same thing.

[brave socket]

it's their game and you havent paid them yet for cinderella. What gives you the right for demanding buffs?

[torn raven]

Both are talking

[brave socket]

no , riling up is getting crazy over it

[visual urchin]

Best OL for Cinderella looks like: (thought only)
4x elem
4x atk
4x ammo/charge damage?

Or something different?

[torn raven]

Because I'm the customer. I'm allowed to have thoughts and opinions and desires.

F2P still has customers.

[uneven cargo]

Yeah, let them release it, shit will hit the fan and chances to change it are low. At the same time you can react when shit is announced and it won't be released in bad shape into the game

[gray temple]

They're trying to sell a product and they showcase what it will do. If the customer is unhappy with the showcase, then this should be communicated. I don't think anyone's riled up, they're just voicing their opinions, which is in their right, and providing feedback

[torn raven]

Whats this 'getting crazy' part? Saying she needs a buff? Is that 'crazy'? No one is threatening to build a machine to lift Shift Up headquarters into the sky and drop it into a volcano or something lmao..

[unborn stump]

Rather than shitflinging between entitled players and corpo bootlickers, just wait and see how JP&KR players react. Reminder that RH's buff happened because those paypigs got assmad over RH's low number

[rigid cosmos]

well damn, there goes my weekend plans

[broken berry]

They're trying to sell me on a product, and I'm not happy with what I'm seeing, I'm happy to be surprised later, but as of rn I ain't pleased so far

[unborn stump]

SU's main revenue realistically came from costumes rather than dumbass buying the gems at shit rate

[torn raven]

We'll do it next year, promise.

[gray temple]

Like sure it won't affect their lives in any meaningful way if she comes out shit, but if you're invested in the game and character (which should be SU's goal) then of course people will be displeased

[uneven cargo]

It's their game, but we are playing it, without us they are not getting their precious money, so we have all rights to demand from them to make the game better, because this is why we are spending money on their product and we don't want it to fail

[brave socket]

The problem about "demanding buffs" is that they might keep releasing stronger and stronger units until we dont have gems at all

but not easy to see that I guess

[frigid pumice]

its a gacha game

[elder pier]

then just buy more gems

[frigid pumice]

stronger units always will come

[torn raven]

...uhh

[rigid cosmos]

only time we get like this is for anni/pilgrim banners

[torn raven]

That's the point of a gacha game.

[unborn stump]

If I were you, I'd just ignore the obvious corpo bootlicker and focus on the wait and see approach

[rigid cosmos]

any other time we just laugh and skip

[torn raven]

My man, is this your first gacha?

[frigid pumice]

but occasionally this game we also have Rumani

[brave socket]

im a corpo bootlicket because I dont want powercreep to keep getting higher and higher ? SURE LMAO

[gray temple]

This is inevitable, it's just a matter of what pace they do it at. I don't think it's crazy to expect anniversary units to be on the stronger side. Not everything needs to be gamebreaking. You didn't see people complaining about rumani

[torn raven]

GUYS. IF WE HAVE A SINGLE OP UNIT ONCE A YEAR, THE GAME WILL POWER CREEP 24/7! I PROMISE!

[unborn stump]

Hey mentally handicapped, good NIKKE units that aren't Anniv units are very few and most of them have been waifubait rather than gameplay focused

[green verge]

RH drama happened and it seems fine so far tho

[potent sapphire]

[unborn stump]

That's why people have expectation of good Anniv

[torn raven]

Notice how after people said that about the RH buff...it never happened?

[uneven cargo]

They can employ him as personal crack cleaner, he is already happy with eating any shit served. Perfect Job opportunity for him

[green verge]

i swear HSR has worse powercreep by far compared to Nikke lol

[brave socket]

first block

[rigid cosmos]

if powercreep was gonna be an issue, it would have started after the red demon got buffed

[unborn stump]

WEAK

[uneven cargo]

Oh no, he is blocking, sadge

[unborn stump]

someone doesn't agree with their flawed worldview
muh block

[rigid cosmos]

hell, it would have happened after people realized what manual alice can do

[unborn stump]

AHAHAHHAHA

[deft obsidian]

False. Practically every raid feature unit has remained meta

[green verge]

A2

[broken berry]

Power creep isn't really a big issue in nikke, remember how long bunny's were meta, and didn't really get knocked till crown dropped

[deft obsidian]

First summer wave, A2, and X Mica didn't

[uneven cargo]

well said

[deft obsidian]

See "practically"

[torn raven]

Exactly. I never got this argument. They're acting like if they powercreep once a year the floodgates will open and every single unit will be powercreep...like, do you not see how Liter and Alice are still meta?

[rigid cosmos]

liter still has not been topped lol. scarlet is still one of the most used nikkes in the game

[green verge]

Nah but it's funny how strong A2 was at her raid and no one use her again after that lol

[torn raven]

I'm still waiting for my promised weekly power creep!

[unborn stump]

She's still the core part of PvP

[broken berry]

I'll always find it funny that the strongest b1 nikke is a lolibaba hag

[rigid cosmos]

even meta raid units tend to be around the same strength as each other after raid is done

[deft obsidian]

A2 and Emilia have same problem that AoE is too niche for our endgame content

[rigid cosmos]

i mean we got hot mommy assassin as a very close second now

[deft obsidian]

Strongest RL in the game has REDUCED AoE on normal attacks

[unborn stump]

She surpassed Liter in pierce comp

[torn raven]

Oh no. It's BEGUN! THE POWER CREEP! SHIELD YOUR EYES!

[unborn stump]

Also DWife has an edge in that her CDR is better for 1st and 2nd rotation

[rigid cosmos]

what is it with SU making all their meta pierce units fire code. alice, wife D, and now grave are all fire

[exotic forum]

Heh

[unborn stump]

You're just mocking that moron who blocked me over fee fee hort

Come on now

[rigid cosmos]

and nihilister has a lot of pierce focus as well

[unborn stump]

No need to bully the mentally handicapped

[rigid cosmos]

and asuka

[exotic forum]

3 sec decoy, knew it

[torn raven]

So when is #buffmiderella happening? What's the prediction?

Red Hood came like a week after right?

[broken berry]

40 bucks says within the month

[torn raven]

Or was it 2 weeks?

[unborn stump]

I call bs on NIKKE's powercreeping because they can patch old useless unit with Treasures to keep up with current meta

[exotic forum]

Low ass numbers wtf

[unborn stump]

Look at Exia and Laplace for clear example

That's why I want anniv unit to be gamebreakers

[exotic forum]

Conversion is low af, hp buff low af

[rigid cosmos]

exia is still pretty niche. laplace is def good though

[unborn stump]

Older NIKKEs can be buffed through the use of Treasure

Like FGO did with their rank up system

Keep releasing broken Anniv unit

Then patching old units to keep up for those unlucky to not get the meta units

[deft obsidian]

Exia is better than Laplace by far

[torn raven]

Yeah, she's now Miderella.

[green verge]

It's the other way around tbf

[deft obsidian]

Laplace raid usage didn't remotely change from treasure

[rigid cosmos]

counterpoint, i like laplace more and im dumb so shut up

[green verge]

Laplace is cursed by her element

[deft obsidian]

Exia now a regular participant as part of brute force electric comp

[unborn stump]

I wonder what's the best comp she fits into

Specifically what b2 suits her comp

[deft obsidian]

I like Laplace too, but she's still just jailed in Missilis Tower for the most part

[rigid cosmos]

got a friend who used laplace for mirror so im very biased

[broken berry]

As someone else said, let's see how the kr/jp people take it, since they were the reason rh got buffed

[deft obsidian]

Laplace still on the better end of DPS looking at the whole pool

[plucky rampart]

Ironically at mirror exia is way above laplace too lol

[deft obsidian]

but Iron too stacked

[torn raven]

They get angrier faster than we do.

[unborn stump]

Cast a magic spell to incite them into gamer rage against SU

[torn raven]

So of we already don't like it, maybe...?

[rigid cosmos]

true damage is true damage i guess. if you dont have ein or scarlet your options are limited

[torn raven]

They're already sending trucks filled with Miderella glass slippers to shift up offices.

[broken berry]

Darn, I think I lost the book that had that spell in it, anyone got a spare?

[unborn stump]

Idk

Maybe hire the witches that tried to curse Trump?

[torn raven]

Lemme actually check the JP Twitter account

[unborn stump]

Oh wait, that didn't work. Nvm

It's halloween season

Just find a random witch

[silver owl]

Honestly powercreep isn't even a big issue in nikke, no idea why he's waffling about it

Only time it's been overturned is with each anni celebration

[simple dock]

How bad is it

[rigid cosmos]

only with grave for this one lol

[silver owl]

Tru

[elder pier]

shes currently the strongest fairy tale gen 2

[rigid cosmos]

RH, crown, and grave are the only bonkers anni units

[torn raven]

Something is happening I guess

[silver owl]

If yall want powercreep check out puzzles & dragons lol

Each new collab they have shoves more mechanics onto new units and are constantly breaking the damage cap ceiling

[rugged lake]

@modest nest does Cindy only slightly out damage mod?

[unborn stump]

I can honestly emphatize with him if his reason to bootlick SU for not delving into powercreep was due to him having his favorite game dying from powercreep, but dude having impotent rage over fictional problem that SU has proven they can balance

So it comes out as like I said

Someone mentally handicapped having an episode

[simple dock]

Thanks i heard she is the strongest nikke named cinderella , idk how true that is

[elder pier]

more analysis required until we can reach a conclusion on that

[simple dock]

Good

[unborn stump]

She mogged the entire Goddess Squad until Red Hood bailed them out lorewise

People were expecting big noomber

[simple dock]

Story is whatever

im here for big dmg

[unborn stump]

People didn't get big noomber

people angry

[silver owl]

Copium buff like rh maybe

[unborn stump]

That's the tl;dr

[exotic forum]

On the bright side

[broken berry]

Cinderella genuinely should be cracked, it makes sense

[silver owl]

[exotic forum]

Low ass self buff numbers means she benefits a lot from team buffs

[unborn stump]

Copium on Japanese and Korean player having the same impotent rage as that guy but against the low number

[exotic forum]

[simple dock]

Ofc she gonna be a shielder

Shielder dont do dmg

[unborn stump]

Reminder that gacha game companies will only listen to the majority of the playerbase that fills their pocket the most

[silver owl]

To fix just raise her numbers and have burst affect every enemy on screen instead of random

Ez

[unborn stump]

Which is why genshin boycott didn't work

for example

[silver owl]

She's supposed to carpet bomb everything, makes sense for it to be screenwipe and not targeted attack

[potent sapphire]

6.8k% to whole screen?

nice burst

[unborn stump]

The last part isn't even necessary if the number buff is big enough

[deft obsidian]

Cindy isn't shielder

[simple dock]

https://tenor.com/view/have-you-seen-her-blippi-blippi-wonders---educational-cartoons-for-kids-did-you-see-her-have-you-noticed-her-gif-13425902418552987467

[rigid cosmos]

not to whole screen

[silver owl]

now we're doing the real powercreep

[exotic forum]

Surprised it's 10 hit instead of 12

[potent sapphire]

she has glass slippers not shields

[exotic forum]

Wasn't expecting that

[potent sapphire]

she is a booter

[simple dock]

Her whole appearance and gimick is having mirrors to reflect shit , ofc she not gonna be a super duper attacker

[exotic forum]

No dmg reflection

[deft obsidian]

They still designed her as a DPS

[silver owl]

True but it's the sugar on the cream so why not

[deft obsidian]

[rigid cosmos]

she uses slippers as weapons, must have been latina before she died and got nikke-fied

[deft obsidian]

And lore-wise she has equal firepower to all of Goddess minus Lilith

[sand mesa]

Powercreep in Nikke really isn't an issue with how dogshit most of the roster is

[deft obsidian]

[potent sapphire]

shame she doesnt do anything major for team survivability

[unborn stump]

I'd argue Treasure is a good way to fix it by making arguably shit units to be usable to very good

[plucky rampart]

Right releasing 1 powercreep unit every year is not a problem the other unit released will be just like rumani anyway lol

[fallen quartz]

Cindy has flying shields (her weapons), a cover, and a meat shield.

[exotic forum]

Cindy might need a buffer for pvp

[fallen quartz]

She really doesn't want to get hit

it spoil her beauty

[sand mesa]

Like outside of the summer units, and Eva, what else this year has been worth pulling

Dkw?

[exotic forum]

If someone can do comparison calcs with Ein that would be great

[unborn stump]

Not really

They're not that mean to keep releasing coomerbait only units like Rumani

[rigid cosmos]

edgy scarlet was technically this year wasnt she?

[tight prism]

hows shes looking? reckon shes broken

[unborn stump]

yep

[frigid pumice]

middle

[broken berry]

Possibly mid

We may be looking at another rh situation

[rigid cosmos]

better than drunk scarlet, worse than red hood

[twin hornet]

Guys is she rh 1.0 or 2.0 rn

[exotic forum]

Did someone math out her DPS yet

[torn raven]

1.0

[rigid cosmos]

-1.0

[twin hornet]

[torn raven]

Is she worse than Red Hood pre buff?

[frigid pumice]

2.71 to be exact

[torn raven]

That's a good question

[tight prism]

i only started this year, i wasn't around for the redhood situation 🥲

[potent sapphire]

looks OP to me

[tight prism]

does this mean she gets extra buffs tomorrow?

[torn raven]

Imagine mid, then imagine that mid because OP

[torn raven]

Means in a week or three we MIGHT be getting a buff.

[broken berry]

Tldr, red hood did not perform as expected, community riots, rh becomes god

[tight prism]

so we all riot till she tops redhood? XD

[unborn stump]

This year, our SSRs so far
-BScar
-Leona
-Moron
-Ade & MPriv
-Egg
-DWife
-Emilia & Rem
-Bay
-Crown
-Trony
-BAlice & BSoda
-Clay
-Ein
-Zwei
-Asuka, Rei & Mari
-Rouge
-EQQuency & Phantom
-Rumani

Half of them are usable on their niche

[rigid cosmos]

ein was pretty good

[exotic forum]

On the bright side (gimme more copium) she either gets buffed or is a great nonbursting dps like mod

[unborn stump]

A quarter of them are amazing

and the rest quarter dogshit coombait

So it's pretty balanced

[rigid cosmos]

what about the remaining half?

[unborn stump]

Read it slowly, my friend

[twin hornet]

Realistically you wouldve pulled for sbs dkw rezero crown eva and rogue

[rigid cosmos]

i see two quarters

[unborn stump]

Which accounts to half

[sand mesa]

I don't see the issue with wanting anni units to be overpowered especially when they're the games equivalent to a UR rarity

[unborn stump]

And I already said on the top that half are usable on their niche

[silver owl]

^^

[tight prism]

yeah i was hoping to have an OP unit considering i missed redhood 😦

[unborn stump]

I only skipped re;zero out of principle(I hate re;zero)

[broken berry]

Hope and pray Jp and kr roar again

[sand mesa]

Roll for Grave

She's good

[twin hornet]

Its more like su doesnt play their own game so they dont know what tf they doin

[sand mesa]

If they do play it they just don't care that much about shit like SR

But I wasn't expecting her to be good anyways

[unborn stump]

Pray that JP/KR guys doing it again like they did with RH

[rigid cosmos]

forgive me, i am very dumb

[dark flame]

xd

[sand mesa]

Dps and Defender is a worse combination than aids and hpv

[unborn stump]

Blackpill the JP/KR side about how low her numbers

[sand mesa]

It works for 2b cause of the 77% hp lol

19% isn't shit however for Cinderella

[unborn stump]

Much appreciated for pointing that out, my dude

[broken berry]

Im surprised they went with a 2b 1.5 kit

[silver owl]

And even so 2b isn't the best

[glossy granite]

2B is the best

just not for dmg

[broken berry]

Wasn't 2bs issue just her numbers just needed to be a little higher?

[glossy granite]

[wheat vault]

2b's issue is her regular shot modifier is crap

[unborn stump]

Dude, I thought shikikum was sticking his index finger up her bum

[glossy granite]

lmao

[sand mesa]

Shift up hasn't really fumbled the last few pilgrims, I think it's just the issue that dps defender is a shit combination

[plucky rampart]

Its low basic atk number
Cindy fix this but broke the other numbers

[exotic forum]

will have to cross reference her numbers with Livestream when I actually wake up later

[dark flame]

yea basically just tip the scale the other way

[unborn stump]

Honestly my suggestion to everyone who wants her getting the buff

[exotic forum]

There's a chance she does the stated normal attack *200% + S1 additional, 3 times a sec

That's like best case situation

[unborn stump]

Deepl your comment about your low number to JP/KR

And then spam it to notable JP/KR NIKKE players on X

[wind matrix]

This is going to be the tradition on each anniv

[tight prism]

telling japan to buff our characters lmao

[tired plinth]

I can only think of G Game tbf

[sand mesa]

Gatrix was saying she could keep up with Mod which is good if that ends up being the case, people are just expecting like

[fallen quartz]

So... ShiftUp mess up all translation of all new units Cindy/RPG/Grave

[unborn stump]

And KR

[elder pier]

I mean is there any other way to interpret it?

[fallen quartz]

WTF?!

[sand mesa]

RH and Sbs tier

[unborn stump]

JP and KR are the biggest paypigs of the game

[tired plinth]

Gacha not making cracked Anni character is low key crazy I'm ngl

[unborn stump]

RH buff happened because both were assmad over it

[exotic forum]

Yeah ig not

[sand mesa]

Weren't they getting death threats over red hood

Lol

[tight prism]

what about us, don't our feelings matter to 😦

[unborn stump]

If only EN side seething about it while JP/KR side accepted it as is, say goodbye to any prospect of her getting buffed

[unborn stump]

Yes, our feelings don't matter

[exotic forum]

Can someone show a pic of the 2 DMG numbers from a pew pew in Livestream

[unborn stump]

Unless EN is somehow the biggest NIKKE paypig

[rigid cosmos]

so death threats = buff. got it. time to learn how to tell someone im gonna kill them in korean

[unborn stump]

Which they aren't

[exotic forum]

Mobile rn don't wanna bother, wanna double check

[tight prism]

well its 11pm here

guess i go to bed soon and wake up to the OP or MIDRELLA videos

[exotic forum]

She could be doing like 600% a sec

[deft obsidian]

No way that's the case

EN most whiny F2P

[unborn stump]

Exactly my point

[wind matrix]

[exotic forum]

We're so f2p that more than half of our whales are just migrated asian whales

[silver owl]

Kek

[tight prism]

ahahaha

[brazen violet]

you said that

but crown is a defender

[deft obsidian]

I moved back to US two months before Nikke started

[tight prism]

wait so what about graves? does she look strong

[sand mesa]

Grave looks very strong yeah

[deft obsidian]

Graves looks stronger than Cindy

[tight prism]

nice, cause i own Asuka

[rigid cosmos]

they arent trying to make crown a fuckin dps

[brazen violet]

yeah

[tired plinth]

Defender dps

[tight prism]

crown is just a broken ass support

[brazen violet]

if maybe cindy is attacker

[sand mesa]

Crown doesn't focus on doing damage

[wind matrix]

Sometimes, i forgot that she is defender, since her supporting capabilities overclass everything

[tight prism]

they made cindy a defender so that she has more max HP

[sand mesa]

Defender dps is the stupidest combination you could make in this game

[exotic forum]

Just changimg Cindy to attacker isn't gonna change that much, her kit itself is mid

[tired plinth]

don't support class have more HP though?

[rigid cosmos]

only issue the hp-atk scaling is way too fucking low

[brazen violet]

then we have 2b who is a defender with no defensive kit

[sand mesa]

The issue is defenders have non existent attack stats

[uneven cargo]

If Crown as Defender can be cracked Support, Why Cindy and Defender can't be cracked dps?

[sand mesa]

And on top of that Cinderellas max hp increase isn't high enough

[tired plinth]

Some Designer for the kit is defo on something

[rigid cosmos]

because a dps needs good base stats. support doesnt

[sand mesa]

^

[tired plinth]

they can just bump up her scaling tbh

[rigid cosmos]

they could. but will they?

[brazen violet]

how many pilgrim they released on 1st anni?

[sand mesa]

Unlikely

[tired plinth]

her class doesn't have to be a hindeerance

[rigid cosmos]

1 banner, 1 free

[brazen violet]

only RH right?

[tired plinth]

but we'll see

[frigid pumice]

Indivilia is dying next week

[tight prism]

i hope they just change her from defender to attacker

if jp/kr riot

then buff stats

[broken berry]

Dead ass, that would probably fix it

[brazen violet]

welp, guess we are not going to see a buff for cindy

[tired plinth]

🛐Grave is our headliner

[brazen violet]

since we do have 1 cracked ppilgrim at 2nd anni

but its not cindy

[tired plinth]

Cindy achieved fraud status

[twin hornet]

SU making sbs kit

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-24015903

[brazen violet]

graves is just there

[sand mesa]

If anything Grave will just take the flak off Cindy

[brazen violet]

being cracked af

[wind matrix]

No, that won't help at all

Actually, just increase her S1 more, and she's fine

[twin hornet]

Su making cindy kit

[sand mesa]

"Yeah 1 pilgrim sucks but you have Grave so deal with it."

[rigid cosmos]

and thats the issue. people wouldnt complain if grave was underwhelming. but we've been waiting for cindi for a year

[twin hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-meme-gif-705829194042584208

[brazen violet]

thats probably what SU banking on

[rigid cosmos]

they should've made grave mid

[wind matrix]

2.7% hp is what makes people here sceptical

[tired plinth]

but releasing the weak unit first

[silver owl]

She can kinda act like one tho due to the amount of damage buffs she provides

Atk and ele and she starts showing some ok numbers

[tired plinth]

SR is gonna inflate her performance

[twin hornet]

We want rh3.0

[tired plinth]

Woah buddy they can just make everything broken

iss anniversary after all

[wind matrix]

Which tbh, me too

Wish i was proven wrong when i get my hands on it

[tired plinth]

weird that they holding back when SBS and Crown exist

[brazen violet]

funny enough graves is an attacker disguised as support

seeing how cracked her skill is

[sand mesa]

I doubt bullying Shift up will work again

[wind matrix]

She's both

[rigid cosmos]

fuck it, next anni is a mg who deals 9E10 damage per shot

[wind matrix]

Which is..lol

[brazen violet]

even better

[sand mesa]

The red hood backlash was way worse and I was convinced they weren't going to buff her

[twin hornet]

either they want to make her mid or they thought they were cooking but they burnt the whole kitchen

[tired plinth]

🥶That's whats uo

[rigid cosmos]

80% attack damage buff is def leaning towards support more than dps

[brazen violet]

i predict cindy is SS at best

[sand mesa]

They just don't understand that defender dps sucks ass

[rigid cosmos]

that's almost just a straight up double damage

[wind matrix]

Grave is going to be staple on every raid from now on

Meanwhile, cindy may be limited to electric weak raid

[twin hornet]

Sorry sss take it or leave

[tired plinth]

Yeah they defo need a new chef

[rigid cosmos]

scarlet

[tired plinth]

Pilgrim relegated to Ele slave is sad man

[rigid cosmos]

only if you look at prydwen

[tired plinth]

Anni unit too

SU please save us

[twin hornet]

Pilgrim in the lore
Pilgrim in gameplay

[rigid cosmos]

jp bros, throw a big enough fit tocause a buff and my life is yours

[sand mesa]

Nihilister, pre buff Red hood, and Cindy going band for band for most disappointing pilgrim

[brazen violet]

like cindy took on the entire goddess squad

[rigid cosmos]

nihilister wins that by a fucking mile lol

[wind matrix]

Overall they are pinnacle on gameplay still

Just not cindy

[rigid cosmos]

cindi will at least still be viable

[brazen violet]

probably viable for story

[ivory heath]

Isabel?

[broken berry]

Nihilister the def of the meme the boss when you fight them vs when you unlock them

[brazen violet]

isabel has the looks

like that new wedding gown

[uneven cargo]

Japanese have to do it like last time and it will work

[tired plinth]

Isabel treasure gonna put her above Cindy my dad works at SU

[brazen violet]

wait can it be even called a gown?

[twin hornet]

When im in the worst pilg competition and my opp is nihilster

[rigid cosmos]

funny way to spell lingerie

[unborn stump]

It's a mix of wedding dress and lingerie

[unborn stump]

I think 1st night lingerie fits

The lingerie that bride wore during the wedding

[ivory heath]

It’s the anticipation of treasure (and SU keep throwing her to me) that makes me want to buy that costume

But Harran also got costume last anniv and is still shit

So too much copium

[twin hornet]

How to piss off your fanbase
Cn fanbase: taiwan
Kr fanbase: feminism
Global fanbase: censorship
Jp fanbase: low numbers

[unborn stump]

KR was pissed with low number stoo

[twin hornet]

if kr and jp team up then u know they cooked fr

[brazen violet]

still i actually prefer this way

graves just look better

than that balloon monster

[sand mesa]

I'd fall asleep on Graves abs

[potent sapphire]

sounds rough

you would need some pillow

[weary walrus]

low number?

[rigid cosmos]

that's the point

[rigid cosmos]

on the contrary, grave has massive number

[brazen violet]

graves is basically a support

with attacker numbers

while still retain powerful support numbers

[rigid cosmos]

80% attack damage up is some absurd numbers

basically just double damage

not to mention the pierce damage

[broken berry]

I need grave to take me to the gym, you know she got a killer workout program

[wheat vault]

she's lugging that coffin 24/7

[tired elm]

skip

[sand mesa]

Cinderella thread:

Grave thread:

Rapunzel thread: 💀

[broken berry]

People dogging Rapunzel, and entirely understandable

[rigid cosmos]

i think people are more upset about the mistranslation than rapunzel's actual kit

[broken berry]

Whelp, I'ma slumber, and see what the numbers look like with real testing,

[brazen violet]

basically asuka?

[rigid cosmos]

for the entire team, not just herself

[sand mesa]

Grave doing good damage for a support and giving good buffs

Cinderella being worse 2b potentially

How the turn tables

[brazen violet]

[rigid cosmos]

some solid dps to go with her incredible buffs. nobody saw this one coming lol

[nimble crypt]

riot
riot
riot
riot

[brazen violet]

fk me

[sand mesa]

Cindy is just as mid as she was in Red Ash

Peak

[brazen violet]

another fire book

[sand mesa]

No wonder why Red Hood was able to brute force Cinderella to death despite not being able to hold a gun like an hour earlier

Cindy is a fraud

[deft obsidian]

Worse 2B sounds like bad cooking to me

[rigid cosmos]

so does that mean the rest of goddess are even worse frauds?

[nimble crypt]

well, still no complaint in feedback maincord

[sand mesa]

No cause they won

[deft obsidian]

Her burst damage alone is highly superior

[exotic forum]

ok yeah double checked, a single pew pew shot is (32.11% * 2) + 136.6%

[sand mesa]

Cindy is worse in a lot of ways

Not as hot

[rigid cosmos]

is random though

[sand mesa]

Boring character

Random burst damage

[exotic forum]

200.82% multi per hit

[deft obsidian]

Doesn't matter vs single target

[rigid cosmos]

true

actually its pretty similar to Ein's true feathers isnt it?

[deft obsidian]

I don't intend to use her outside of AI/raids

[silver owl]

Only because rh showed up lol

They were getting pummeled otherwise

[deft obsidian]

Nah, it's S Sakura burst

[sand mesa]

Large chunk of damage is tied to her decoy not dying

[brazen violet]

cindy is probably very good in story

[sand mesa]

She loses beautiful stacks

[deft obsidian]

Just replace DoT with additional damage procs

[brazen violet]

that decoy maybe useful

[simple dock]

miderella

[deft obsidian]

She doesn't lose stacks

[rigid cosmos]

she's gonna be an rng nightmare in story

[deft obsidian]

As pointed out earlier, no written duration on stacks

[rigid cosmos]

shes gonna sshinen in bosses with no adds

[deft obsidian]

It's just continuous

[sand mesa]

Unless a mistranslation occurred she gains a beautiful stack while her decoy exists

[deft obsidian]

Gains yes

[ocean terrace]

yeah she gains the stack but those dont expire

[deft obsidian]

Doesn't lose

[sand mesa]

So if it doesn't exist I'd imagine it doesn't increase her hp continously anymore

[silver owl]

She gains one but it doesn't disappear

[lime valve]

Will she terrorize pvp?

[deft obsidian]

The stacks are continuous. She'd just stop gaining them

[silver owl]

At least, that's if the translator didn't fuck up on that portion of her kit

[deft obsidian]

Like if decoy dies 13 seconds in, she'd have 4 stacks

Then until next burst stage 3, she wouldn't get any more

[rigid cosmos]

and that is a very big if

[simple dock]

will su buff her? kinda disappointing

[deft obsidian]

I use JP kits

[silver owl]

If jp/kr riot enough probably

[deft obsidian]

No difference with EN this time that I saw

[simple dock]

they did with rh so its pretty possible

[rigid cosmos]

well we've already had a fuck up with rpg's skill descriptions

[deft obsidian]

inb4 they made her weaker intentionally since they knew people would complain anyway

then they don't have to buff as much

Stat haggling

[potent sapphire]

[simple dock]

they might of, its actually a smarter approach then being busted out the gate

[dark flame]

from jp to en by google translate at least

[exotic forum]

at 60 fps cindy should be 600% multi a sec, modernia without factoring in anything else is.... 645% multi a sec, and she can core hit

[silver owl]

Not looking good

[uneven cargo]

Totally agree. Grave Design is well made, unlike Quency on which they just slap Balloon boobs and should works

[deft obsidian]

Yeah, the "sustained" part usually ends up with another duration in brackets afterward if stacks expire

The fact that there isn't one implies infinite duration

[brazen violet]

i still held hope

but

[deft obsidian]

But Cindy has a massive burst while Modernia can't burst

[agile crystal]

I saw this guy math and the result is otherwise
#946720097031045161 message

[strange quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/kiana-cookie-houkai3rd-eating-cute-gif-17554516

[chilly peak]

[simple dock]

no shot su releases one of the most hyped nikkes in the game to be a dud

[brazen violet]

hmmmmm

still just gonna buy her

[sand mesa]

Erm, Red Hood on release

[brazen violet]

i have gold ticket for both

[bronze estuary]

What's the consensus on Cindy? She's mid and needs a buff?

[simple dock]

miderella, pull grave and pray for a buff

[sand mesa]

She could be better once we actually get to test her

Rn she's just mid on paper

[deft obsidian]

What's DD?

[unborn stump]

Who tf cooking this

[deft obsidian]

[tired elm]

skip cinderella guy xmas units better

[brazen violet]

i guess wife D?

[dark flame]

what are these supposed to be exactly?

[deft obsidian]

Why would DKW give SBS more damage than Liter?

[agile crystal]

if you not on the server

[brazen violet]

liter has more damage tho?

[exotic forum]

the conversion might actually save cindy

[brazen violet]

liter at the end

[bronze estuary]

We better pray for the community to riot, else if even freakin Cinderella as defender is mid then every defender dps will be mid going foward

[deft obsidian]

Oh woops

[brazen violet]

BRUH

[deft obsidian]

Looked too quicklu

[exotic forum]

at lvl 300 she should be getting extra 56k atk from the conversion

[sand mesa]

I mean, I don't really give a shit about Cinderella so it doesn't bug me that much

[deft obsidian]

Thought it was in order by damage

[exotic forum]

not sure how much that is relatively

[brazen violet]

wait never got quency

is that the new quency?

[green verge]

What's the assumption here? Why's RH so low lol

[twin hornet]

Red hood: first time?

[simple dock]

they buffed her tho, if they dont buff cind then jp and kr might be out for blood

[deft obsidian]

No pierce or core calcs?

[dark flame]

but how/ what did he calculate exactly

[deft obsidian]

RH losing to QeQ is meme

[heavy scaffold]

count us out at least

[agile crystal]

go to ask him #946720097031045161 message

[deft obsidian]

Especially if RH has DKW/Mari

[simple dock]

nah ill be out for blood too

[sand mesa]

I haven't seen anyone outside of this thread actually caring that much about Cinderella being mid

[deft obsidian]

I'm allergic to maincord

[green verge]

XLud, Mod and Quency order also feels wrong, and what's SBS DD

[deft obsidian]

She's not even mid

[exotic forum]

my crown and mod are built close enough, imma use their current stats to get an idea of cindy's atk

[deft obsidian]

People here don't understand what that word means

[chilly kernel]

Raon is also in this server. You can @ him.

[exotic forum]

cindy's atk will likely be higher than an attacker bc of the conversion

[sand mesa]

She's mid cause I said so

[deft obsidian]

Smol White is mid

Cindy >>>> Smol White

[heavy scaffold]

I mean count kr bois out as no one ever is on riot so far

[green verge]

she is mid if i don;t get her in 30 pulls ngl

[simple dock]

scarlets feet seem to of made jp soft

[tired elm]

so shes not free then

shift up wtffff

[simple dock]

keep seeing jp spamming scarlet feet

[exotic forum]

did someone calc her nuke vs ein's yet

[tired elm]

send

[exotic forum]

not sure how to calc in true dmg and stuff

[agile crystal]

@lavish bridge hey can i ping you|| i pinged you||

[exotic forum]

0 stack nuke is fine

[simple dock]

just type, 紅蓮：ブラックシャドウ in yt or xitter

[heavy scaffold]

let the copers cope

[simple dock]

jp slobbering all over sbs skin feet

[full garnet]

So from what I am getting is Cindy needing more testing before calling her mid.

Right?

[simple dock]

kinda a dissapointment that rh remains at the top for this long uncontested

[exotic forum]

if cindy was built like my crown (R15 doll), the conversion would double her atk

[heavy scaffold]

every single one of new nikke need to be tested after release

[sand mesa]

Kisenix called her useless and as we all know Kisenix has never been wrong before.

[slate apex]

before calling her good

she mid right now

[exotic forum]

62k to 130k, while my similar mod is at 89k

[heavy scaffold]

unless ppl are bored

[lavish bridge]

i got pinged

[slate apex]

pong

[lime valve]

[lavish bridge]

so mid

that i forgot to move her to higher SBS

[exotic forum]

"sufficient ammo" for cindy is 4x ammo

[lavish bridge]

more like

50-60%

u drunk?

[exotic forum]

less reload = better no?

[brazen violet]

ah yes the true nikke pvp

numbers war

[lavish bridge]

SBS buffed by D:killer wife instead of liter

[slate apex]

did the Rouge team include her buff or is it actually wrong?

[molten oak]

Core 7

Come on

[lavish bridge]

of course include her buff?

[molten oak]

But understandable

[exotic forum]

did the calcs assume cindy can core hit

[lavish bridge]

yes
can she?

[exotic forum]

bc I'm doubtful she can reliably core hit

[wheat vault]

why call her DD instead of DKW

[exotic forum]

we dunno from vids

[lavish bridge]

cuz big booty D

[brazen violet]

cuz of 2 massive things

[agile pilot]

dude sbs can core hit, so why can't she

[molten oak]

She almost broke that new dress on her

[silver owl]

Because massive titties

[lavish bridge]

dude like
every RL can core hit reliably if the boss doesnt move like an ass

they literally have 100% core hit

[bronze estuary]

Tf is DD anyways

[agile pilot]

haha he said ass

[chilly peak]

dwife

[simple dock]

dwife has navel too

[lavish bridge]

D||eeznuts||

[simple dock]

should be ddnkw

[bronze estuary]

How dd translates to dwife

[dark flame]

but why shorten her to that instead of dkw

[lavish bridge]

here u go u uncultured swine

[simple dock]

brain dead terminology when dd has ass and navel

[bronze estuary]

Still doesn't make sense

[simple dock]

forgot the good shit

[exotic forum]

is there a reticle change when core hitting

[gloomy quartz]

It’s from Dongtan D or Dong D

[lavish bridge]

that's
Double D

[chilly peak]

[gloomy quartz]

That’s the name of the style

[maiden thicket]

DDD

[fallen quartz]

About cindy's Beautiful buff, from JP stream, it state that when decoy is dead, if not recast Decoy in 3s, all Beautiful stacks will be gone.

[maiden thicket]

Destroy D December

[sand mesa]

Peak fiction

[dark flame]

again this just proves ya mfs dont know shit about cup sizing

[bronze estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-24107071

[lavish bridge]

who cares about her actual cup size

[simple dock]

Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the midest of them all?

[lavish bridge]

[dark flame]

its just stupid lol

pet peeve of mine

[unborn stump]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-donald-trump-point-pointing-pointing-finger-gif-5031141492238423822

[lavish bridge]

i call her what i want who give a shit about your opinion

[maiden thicket]

Now ppl can S9 MC easily

[sand mesa]

Cup size debates in a game where almost everyone is a titty monster is crazy

[frigid pumice]

Dance Dance Dance.

[simple dock]

Decoration Disorder Disconnection

[native robin]

@ripe gazelle

[fallen quartz]

Hmm, If her kits stay the same when release, that kinda sucks when all stacks of Beautiful is just gone before entering burst.

[lavish bridge]

just dont get hit bro

[maiden thicket]

[exotic forum]

what?

[dark flame]

there nothing indicating that the stacks ever go away tho

[fallen quartz]

On Challenge Solo Raids, the dmg is insanely high, that Decoy can easily be shred

[native robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/386654335250989056.webp?size=64&quality=lossless&name=pepeHandsup

[fallen quartz]

#1299716154125713549 message

[dark flame]

bruh what

[fallen quartz]

We will know tomorrow, hope I'm wrong.

[maiden thicket]

I can't wait to try S9 Indi with Grave

[dark flame]

why doesnt the fucking description say that then

cus

[fallen quartz]

I don't know, SU mess up translation of all three new units

[dark flame]

it would be very misleading

[fallen quartz]

Grave, Rapunzel and now Cindy

[lavish bridge]

she lose some attack but not that devastating

[exotic forum]

decoy will be fine in SR as long as it refreshes

96% of max hp isn't dying

[dark flame]

what was wrong on grave, besides the "certain conditions" not being orange text?

[maiden thicket]

I believe entering phase 3 burst will refresh decoy HP

[fallen quartz]

yeah I know, I just want to point out lack of info on her kits

[fallen quartz]

yeah that, lack of info about condition

and also no orange text

[lavish bridge]

hmm it makes sense that her decoy getting destroyed with reset the stack

[dark flame]

ok was just asking in case there was something else on top of that lol

[lavish bridge]

like
common sense ish

[maiden thicket]

The kit said

Stack only available when decoy is online

So no decoy = no stack

[frigid pumice]

Interesting

[lavish bridge]

ur a meme
glazing RH all day lol

[fallen quartz]

hope her burst gen will be good

[exotic forum]

her skill priority should be quite simple at least, S1 > Burst > S2

burst gen didn't look good from my rough pixel measurements

at best equal to a regular RL (1 target hit)

[maiden thicket]

U can watch the stream to check burst gen

[fallen quartz]

she revive stack per cycle, with good burst gen, even when Decoy get destroy, she can revive it fast enough

[exotic forum]

her team provided most of the gen in jp

[lavish bridge]

she has a modified RL so burst gen is gonna be different
prob worse different

[dark flame]

hmmmmmm

its a bit unclear imo. because the wording just seems like the stack gain is during decoy existing

[exotic forum]

I swear we already got someone ingame that works with a very similar mechanic

[molten oak]

She looks like a sniper shooting

[fallen quartz]

SU's translation in a nutshell

but yeah, you can already guess, Decoy die, stack gone

[dark flame]

yeah

[lavish bridge]

btw should i just calc grave damage on this

[exotic forum]

the wording is complex enough for their interns that I can see why they wouldn't include it if it was true

[maiden thicket]

Decoy also gives extra 24% x10 on her burst

[exotic forum]

I'm personally leaning more towards the 3 sec reset, it does make sense

[brazen violet]

so cindy good or nah?

[fallen quartz]

Meta

[lavish bridge]

honestly not much lol

[maiden thicket]

Which means make me more believe entering phase 3 burst refresh decoy hp

[fallen quartz]

just the kits lack info

[maiden thicket]

A dmg is a dmg

[fallen quartz]

on the decoy part

[brazen violet]

everyone was convinced she is bad until the new calc

[maiden thicket]

We're min maxing

[dark flame]

god these twitter analysis

[lavish bridge]

idk who lol fr

trust

[fallen quartz]

Just wait until Challenge Solo Raid Boss blast the decoy with a beam

[plucky rampart]

Same if the decoy(glass) destroyed then she cant look at herself and says beautiful

[fallen quartz]

Decoy can't dodge, cover or heal, can be shield, and MaxHP does make decoy stay alive better

[maiden thicket]

People in Vietnamese community said she's bad cause of being a Defender

[silver owl]

So what the fuck, is cindy good or not?

[maiden thicket]

[molten oak]

And only MLB instead c7?

[lavish bridge]

btw her decoy has like
95% HP lmao

[molten oak]

[fallen quartz]

96%, read madafaker

[exotic forum]

"unkillable" "distraction"

[molten oak]

I'm poor, I can only mlb

[deft obsidian]

Generally I take what he initially says and conclude the opposite

[silver owl]

This entire kit has split the community harder than the ussr after the cold war

[molten oak]

Thanks

[brazen violet]

6%

[lavish bridge]

it's awful gain ;lol

[brazen violet]

no way im spending that money

[lavish bridge]

Cindy OL gain

[exotic forum]

is that a lot lower gain than attacker dps?

[maiden thicket]

Do math on Grave @lavish bridge

[lavish bridge]

not alot lower
SBS gain like 9.8%

[lavish bridge]

i am but too distracted lol

[exotic forum]

eh.... hmm

how much gain is it from base to mlb? and compared to attacker dps?

[bronze estuary]

Nice upgrade after 7 copies

[maiden thicket]

Mlb for wallpaper

[deft obsidian]

JP implies that the stacking process is what relies on decoy existing

[simple dock]

mlb for bond stats too

[sullen forum]

So gatrix lied to us smh

[deft obsidian]

EN using "Activates" makes it confusing

[bronze estuary]

Community better riot for buff when she releases

[toxic wren]

I was getting the same lol

[tired elm]

DD

[lavish bridge]

this is just some standadised team with a lot of implication that i didnt say it cuz lazy/ ppl need to understand it themselves.
The boss used has no parts, full core uptime, which vastly overrestimate Quency damage (normally bosses dont have 100% core bruh)

[fallen quartz]

Ain't we all?

[frigid pumice]

[lavish bridge]

and the team:

[full garnet]

Cindy redemption arc already starting

[frigid pumice]

Bruh this DD be sounding like Diddy.....

[fallen quartz]

When decoy exists, receive a stack of 'Beautiful' per 3s, meaning Cindy has 3s to respawn another decoy, or else all stacks are gone.

[deft obsidian]

No?

[bronze estuary]

Just change it do DKW

[deft obsidian]

Nothing there saying it'll disappear

[lavish bridge]

i like DD cuz ppl ask "what's DD" all the time

[exotic forum]

they should have added "only"

[deft obsidian]

Should check the stream gameplay

[exotic forum]

if it does reset

[deft obsidian]

The dude wipes

so decoy should break

[exotic forum]

is there even a visual tell for when decoy breaks

in jp the stacks never decrease

[deft obsidian]

Should be

[exotic forum]

but I don't see any indicator of decoy breaking

[deft obsidian]

Rei has one

I'll look now

[fallen quartz]

well, hope I'm wrong then

[lavish bridge]

again the decoy has 96% of final HP its hella tanky lol

i doubt it breaks often in real battle

[simple dock]

seahorses say hi

[lavish bridge]

not that
SR battles

[vivid apex]

Vietnamese aint knowin nothing and that coming from me a born vietnamese :)) we copy paste from others

[deft obsidian]

Yeah, she shouldn't be threatened too much in SR

[exotic forum]

yea I think the decoy straight up never broke in jp

[deft obsidian]

but plenty of people want to know if she'll have campaign use

And hard campaign enemies can often 1-2 shot Nikkes

[exotic forum]

in pvp decoy shouldn't matter, you want her out of reach of enemy RLs, and even if broken the nuke should be enough

or just put her in p4 and she's safe anyway

[deft obsidian]

We also don't know if decoy HP refreshes in burst stage 3

Gonna check for that in stream gameplay

[tired elm]

dont pull for diddy

[frigid pumice]

Pull Diddy. Hold up

[fallen quartz]

Also, any one-shot bullshit bullet that bypass shield can't do the same on decoy

[deft obsidian]

Cindy takes damage and stacks are still present

[twin hornet]

What about vs 0mlb

[exotic forum]

yeah but the dmg she takes is nowhere near enough to break decoy

she took I think 205k dmg to hp (which is like 10% of her hp)

decoy takes same amount

so decoy is fine

[lavish bridge]

uh (im too lazy rn) a few %

[deft obsidian]

Nowhere enough to break decoy?

She can't take damage at all unless decoy is destroyed

[exotic forum]

splash moves still hit her

like the big rock (the first hit she takes)

the boss wipe moves might be splash like that, unless someone else avoids it by covering

[fallen quartz]

I can test Cindy though

[deft obsidian]

Pretty sure AoE still hits decoy first

[fallen quartz]

using hard boss stages

which basically one or two shot a unit anyway

[twin hornet]

awful gain to mlb then? Or worth

[exotic forum]

she took hp dmg from the big rock

[fallen quartz]

Worth, more atk and max hp

[exotic forum]

so it bypassed decoy

[fallen quartz]

more max hp, more dmg

[lavish bridge]

it's awful but u can cope by having a nice wall paper to compensate

[exotic forum]

although I gotta say, unless their new intern is even worse than previous, the wording does imply that decoys don't expire

bc I'm looking at the other nikke kits, they always got a modifier word of some sort, usually "only"

cindy doesn't have that