#[Cinderella] New Unit Megathread
molten oak
toxic wren
Let's see 
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rouge already a raid staple, now she definitely is
molten oak
fuck my life, need mats
toxic wren
I understand what you mean
molten oak
oak cargo
anniversary cash shop has a lot of packs
molten oak
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kinda glad that cindy's burst doesn't seem like the most important
I have just a... slight difference in books
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yeah
molten oak
X2 ammo and done
oak cargo
where is pierce damage belong to in dps formula @toxic wren comparing to core damage
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infinite ammo comps won't save her completely
toxic wren
where is pierce damage belong to in dps formula <@390152688605593603> comparing ...
Additive to Attack damage
molten oak
pierce dmg is ATK dmg
exotic forum
you don't reload, but you gotta still do the charge, and gotta do it more often due to priv
maybe noir
noir + enough ammo OL might be perma pew pew?
idk if it's even worth it at that point
molten oak
SBS+Alice buff or SBS alone?
oak cargo
whats conclusion on Grave then?
exotic forum
don't need to refarm ultra and mirror until new years
molten oak
molten oak
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huh?
agile pilot
oh wait I'm mistaken
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we're talking about sanis right?
toxic wren
Anis is damage sharing every 30s 
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if cindy dmg is only on par with no-alice sbs
cindy prob goes into rouge blanc comp for me
with sanis and a flex
molten oak
Alice SBS grave
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I'll prob use grave to buff my asuka or something
maybe rh if I don't use her in tiga
molten oak
Let's see if at the end Cindy steals Alice+SBS p1
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b1cdr grave asuka rei mod or something
molten oak
I doubt but let's see
Mkfrs SU cooked Rouge thinking in Cinderella
Sad for the people who skipped B1 CDR
ahhh need official numbers
Maybe they change some numbers
heavy scaffold
Now question is
Is anis to Cindy what Alice is to SBS
yes
molten oak
Midrothy age is over
Ngl she was really good in her age
the p3 doro sanis was funny
heavy scaffold
now I need to finish exia and sanis OL 
heavy scaffold
rouge can wait
molten oak
I said nah SU don't gonna cook a 2b kit again
molten oak
rouge can wait
S1 lvl 10 is mandatory
toxic wren
Now it's fr dororo Vs volume for t5
molten oak
Doro kit is old
toxic wren
Rouge was prep for Cindy all along
molten oak
yeah they cooked her for Cinderella
Never trust SU again
if they make a sus kit
Don't doubt and pull
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ngl
molten oak
Pull or die
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rapunzel might replace doro in my pilgrim tower
just bc it's annoying having to aim at an enemy with doro
although I would miss out on cdr
molten oak
grave probably 1:1 crown
I mean different ways and dps to buff
yeah
Like Dwife buffing no pierce units
Dwife broken in raid
toxic wren
Y'all gotta remember one very important shit here btw
Remember what they did to Rh and anis
Values can be changed
molten oak
Sure
toxic wren
toxic wren
Rh was insanely big
heavy scaffold
Remember what they did to Rh and anis
they changed anis?
toxic wren
they changed anis?
They changed her gun from clip to normal sg
oak cargo
The amount of Yappers during rh is insane
molten oak
yeah she was a clip sg
toxic wren
Rh drama also brought in a lot of players tbh
heavy scaffold
only I knew was they made sneon from garbage to trash
toxic wren
Fym it was on purpose
They balanced rh
And we made them change her
Rh wasn't shit
Alice was just broken as fuck
And comparing to Alice is always bad
molten oak
Alice is a robot working for you
toxic wren
You must hate like 70% of units
molten oak
heavy scaffold
that would be valid if SR was a content with single nikke
toxic wren
I did technically do that
heavy scaffold
not even single team 
toxic wren
Also I can't do that cuz of the people who play for waifu
Yeah
Yeah
Suck it now ig 
Shit won by like double the votes
molten oak
My waifu is SBS and I haven't built her yet
toxic wren
Not my headache now
molten oak
heavy scaffold
My waifu is SBS and I haven't built her yet
she may demand divorce
toxic wren
I say it again, making tier list where only s and above is relevant is better imo
People only wanna use a tier chars
Now imagine seeing midlet in B tier
Would people like that? No 
U would prolly like that
toxic wren
That's just one mode
molten oak
Enough for me
toxic wren
If Cindy is a proper AoE I can consider putting scar in S tier campaign 
dusty shuttle
She got the Elegg treatment. Mari is getting the Rem treatment
molten oak
even rupee was good
oak cargo
If Cindy is a proper AoE I can consider putting scar in S tier campaign <:think:...
You cant do that cuz a single unit replicate scar
toxic wren
More like the only relevant healers back then were pepper Rapunzel and helm?
oak cargo
You have a metric to follow
toxic wren
You have a metric to follow
Perhaps
Also sad because back then we had like 6 dps
And had 5 teams to fill
A2 made it to SR7 didnt she
2 raids 
molten oak
at least 2b survived
toxic wren
One thing
Cindy reduces her max hp?
molten oak
I said lol electric meta, time to Isabel to shine
oak cargo
bro I expected Isabel treasure
Harran treatment
molten oak
I mean I don't dislike her kit
Is shit but fixable
put a fucking CDR on Isabel and it's done
but SU said nahhh
Viper gacha+treasure
Sometimes they're so random xD
Sure we want, they are in the f,...ng pilgrim pull
Anytime you pull an Isabel or harran is like
I wanna pull a pilgrim and said yeah a good spare body
it makes me happy even Noah dupes cuz I'm playing pvp
Well enough doompost in Cinderella thread xD
.5
lol
Only new year
idk why they don't rerun anni pilgrims
I said they sometimes are so random
Last year xrupee and xanne rerun are the best example
Wtf was that xD
dusty shuttle
What's better? Spending pilgrim mold now for the increased chance of getting my first Scarlet copy (for PvP), or waiting until after these two get added to reduce the chances of Harran and Isabel 😆
dusty shuttle
I mean, it's going to be Anis anyway, but I can dream
oak cargo
Roll Grave pshh
toxic wren
What's better? Spending pilgrim mold now for the increased chance of getting my ...
Lmao bro thinks he's not getting belorta
dusty shuttle
Lmao bro thinks he's not getting belorta
What, not even Anis? Screw this
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it should
if the burst nuke is good enough
would be like an ein
burst gen likely dogshit though
shoots 1 RL, then goes pew pew, better pray the pew pew has good burst gen
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pair with biscuit for essentially invuln, and you can use noah elsewhere
uses noise buff as well
or blanc rapu setup
jackal likely impossible unless she's a lot higher invest than your other units
toxic wren
pair with biscuit for essentially invuln, and you can use noah elsewhere
Noise Noah in business
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and rosanna shouldn't neuter her since the conversion is on b3
and probably not much feed
toxic wren
and rosanna shouldn't neuter her since the conversion is on b3
Yeah
Damn that's smthng I forgot about 2butt
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I assume beauty stacks don't disappear when decoy dies
and if there's no internal cd on stack gain, that should be easy max stacks
even if enemy runs full RL
since her extra beauty dmg is higher than the burst initial, having beauty stacks is probably quite important for proper pvp dps
rosa could potentially mess with that, if decoy dies really fast
well if you got other good invest units, rosa wouldn't even target cindy for removal due to defender lvls of atk
so that wouldn't be an issue
sacred grove
It's an AoE and RL and a decoy
wait wait wait
you mean cindy can be cooked for pvp team as well? 
toxic wren
Value dependant
Splash zone dependant
Scarlet tier is hard cuz in reality neither s anis nor Emilia are really scarlet tier
Also burst gen dependant
molten oak
Kit
toxic wren
Like scarlet is in her own tier technically
Cuz of the way she is able to counter half the units in the game by just existing
Probably more than half tbh, like 70% of the units are scar gated
unborn fjord
oak cargo
campaign idea for new toys
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unlikely, unless the decoy is enough to be oppressive
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I'll be shocked if burst gen is even on par with regular rl
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likely only 1 target, then the pew pew prob don't gen much
toxic wren
likely only 1 target, then the pew pew prob don't gen much
I think I saw splash damage
On the vid
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I heard the splash is very smol
toxic wren
It was enough to hit both parts on bulls head
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will still depend on pew pew burst gen
her being electric is a shame, no one is using a p1 water (unless emi jackal link)
toxic wren
Give her clip RL 
toxic wren
her being electric is a shame, no one is using a p1 water (unless emi jackal lin...
Electric means high chance the character is PvP meta
toxic wren
Electric means high chance the character is PvP meta
If Cindy is indeed meta pvp
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if her decoy doesn't massively change some things, she's just gonna be a 2b without rosa or feed weakness
so prob a bit above the rest of the other b3 nukers due to being able to use hp buffers
if she even needs buffers in the first place
toxic wren
That would mean that after
Scarlet S.Anis Noise Biscuit Rosanna M.Privaty Moran Maiden Harran Ein
Heck, throw in Zwei and Mari as well
Cindy is the 69th usable PvP character that is electric
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toxic wren
Mast and xRupee have been used in the past effectively as well
Even Naga if we become less picky
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ele'ed laplace gonna chew her up if she doesn't have biscuit
oh yeah and there's prob still the extra feed issue with decoy
toxic wren
ele'ed laplace gonna chew her up if she doesn't have biscuit
Laplace, Bsoda
Idk who else
exotic forum
that could be a problem
she wants to get hit for stacks
but that means feeding enemy
toxic wren
oh yeah and there's prob still the extra feed issue with decoy
Hmm yeah that's what I was looking at too
I don't understand what it is tho
exotic forum
decoy prob acts like another cover
toxic wren
It's like
Decoy gets hit -> max hp up?
Hence big pp damage buff?
Will the damage buff effect AoE 
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from that dude's cooks, buff seems pretty important for her dmg
if the decoy actually has attacks and you gain stacks that way, that solves a lot of dilemmas
otherwise it's gonna be a situation where you gotta give something up in pvp
dmg buff or not boosting enemy gen, pick one 
depending on stack cap.... noise could potentially help
p4 cindy, p5 noise
only enemies taunted by noise will hit cindy, hopefully enough to stack up
and won't be that much gen boost due to only 2-3 units being able to hit decoy
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It's like
Decoy gets hit -> max hp up?
Hence big pp damage buff?
Will the damag...
I think just 1 stack might be enough, unless this requires max stacks
toxic wren
I think just 1 stack might be enough, unless this requires max stacks
This is basically reflect
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iirc the dude cooked that livestream only got 1 stack
toxic wren
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and the dmg from beauty is already higher than initial dmg
toxic wren
I think just 1 stack might be enough, unless this requires max stacks
I wonder if sg = insta max stack
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more beauty stacks might just be hp buff, which you could afford to miss
yeah I wonder if there's icd or nah
toxic wren
Omg is Cindy scarlet 2.0
toxic wren
Omg is Cindy scarlet 2.0
With a confirmed reflect??
Inb4 decoy gives ×3 burst gen to opponents tho
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at least by the time you spawn second decoy both teams would have bursted
toxic wren
Inb4 decoy gives ×3 burst gen to opponents tho
I guess u could slot her in p4
They should've mentioned champs man 
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will have to modify feed calcs to account for it if decoy does increase enemy feed
toxic wren
will have to modify feed calcs to account for it if decoy does increase enemy fe...
We leave it to Kos and gatrix
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I'm betting on a delay that they'll only mention in patch notes 
toxic wren
With a confirmed reflect??
Hmm but the sad thing is her reflect probably won't do much damage outside of burst
Thats like Nero reflect
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doesn't it just give her more stacks? I don't think it actually reflects dmg
having either a stack or max stacks lets her burst hits do extra dmg, which is apparently a massive portion of her burst potential
oak cargo
Kraken comfy comp on pc (depend on Naga for heal random attack and Crown for Aoe attack, Xlud to take advantage of core damage and buff sbs). However fps problem on phone.
Now idea is to rotate outside of Naga and Xlud to remove fps problem, adopting RHb1+Dwife. Cinderella provide protection from random attack on decoy (with Crown). Unknown if work is if Nuke number of cindy is good enough and her Normal attack can help with the tentacle.
First is to see if it offers same performance with xlud on pc
then try on phone.
@toxic wren rl affected by fps too?
toxic wren
<@390152688605593603> rl affected by fps too?
Charge speed should affect RL
But seems like Cindy no charge needed
Maybe firerate drops to 2.8/s
toxic wren
Maybe firerate drops to 2.8/s
Cuz of longer frame time
oak cargo
ok not big then, gonna try them out
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yeah fps drop shouldn't be too big
at worst prob close to rh loss
since similar ish fire rate
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looking at vid, I think it's 12 stacks
deft obsidian
Charge speed should affect RL
But seems like Cindy no charge needed
She has a charge speed buff in her kit
I think she'll need it
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a rock that hits both cover and hp ended up also hitting decoy
so extra feed for enemy seems like a thing for cindy
rls would get extra gen from also hitting decoy
late shuttle
So her max hp buff depends on if her decoy gets hit?
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I'm thinking... decoy doesn't have to get hit
I'm seeing the purple shield stacks go up when she's not getting hit at all
instead it's when she does her pew pew
starts second phase at 7 stacks
as soon as she starts pew pew it becomes 8
didn't see the boss hit her at all
mfing bloom makes shit hard to see
it's not as simple as pew pew
bc it seems to increase randomly...
like the very first stack
also it doesn't seem to have an expiration
boss might have some near invis and soundless mg shots
first stack could be slightly delayed effect from first pew pew shot landing on boss
second stack is while isabel is getting gunned at by boss
during the middle of the gunning
and during the middle of her pew pew
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honestly idk what's going on
she does go from 8 to 12 (cap) fairly fast in second phase after bursting
boss did shoot a bunch, saw everyone except cindy and rapu take hp dmg during that
6 stacks
a frame later 7 stacks
from where?
all I can think of is pew pew shot landing
since she's mid reload and still gained stack, while no mob and centi shield
I'm thinking it could be 2 ways to gain stacks
slowly from pew pew, once every 5 sec or so, and when decoys take dmg?
7 stacks, no one shooting her
frame later 8 stacks
oak cargo
Why i dont see any taunt
exotic forum
she... didn't even shoot either
oak cargo
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no one shot
nothing happened
proceeds to gain a stack anyway
happened before she fully charged her regular shot as well
ok something fishing is going on
after that 8 stack
she bursts
after she bursts she's at 7 stacks
I think they're doing some jump cuts between several fights?
only time I've seen stack decrease
all I can tell is that it's not a simple as 1 hit taken by decoy = 1 stack, there's some other way to stack it
nimble crypt
basically, cinderella is better 2B?
elder pier
would be kinda ass if only taking hits would stack it
nimble crypt
her attack looks weird
full charge once then she becomes semi AR
wheat vault
her attack projectiles curve like hell. wonder if it’s just visual or can it accidentally hit something on the way
or maybe it can hit targets behind a wall with it
exotic forum
they do seem to act like actual projectiles
hitting environmental objects if they're in the way
I need to figure out the time between stack gains
suspiciously consistent
oak cargo
<Special Condition will be Activated>: <This special condition is still in development>
insert decoy taunting as passive here
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k
found it
counted about 4 ish instances of time gaps between stack gain
all of them are roughly 3 seconds apart (used yt timestamps, made sure no cuts during them)
had another instance where 2 stacks gained with a gap of 6 sec (hard to tell when the first stack happened due to shit quality)
it might just be gain a stack every 3 seconds
modest nest
her pew pew projectiles might have slight aoe?
there is
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or every 3 shots? 1 shot per second
not per shot
she gains stacks even when literally nothing is going on
she's mid reload
enemies not shooting
no pew pews are traveling
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only times I can see her decoy take dmg is after max (12 stacks)
so unsure if decoys taking dmg can gain stacks
modest nest
anyway, at peak
- Cindy will shoot 3 ammo per sec
- Her RL has small radius, probably the same as SBS
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atm it seems like she just gains 1 stack per ~3 sec passively
she didn't take hard to notice mg dmg in the jp behemoth fight
bc later on you see the dmg numbers when decoy actually takes dmg
so if she had taken hard to notice dmg, would have seen numbers
she went all the way to 12 stacks over the course of behemoth fight taking 0 hits during that process
deft obsidian
instead it's when she does her pew pew
As I put in the starred note
The reader said when her decoy attacks
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I think it's just straight up passively
deft obsidian
This would be the first time that decoys can attack tho
exotic forum
that solves a few issues
no longer need a taunt
no longer need to be p1 in pvp, which will definitely give extra gen to enemy RLs
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just need to wait 3 sec roughly per stack
deft obsidian
Which is probably a good thing since decoys are usually really fragile
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unless it's a bit of delayed stack gain from the pew pews shooting, either way it's essentially once every 3 sec
maybe decoys getting hit does gain stack, we can't know rn, it'll just be a bonus way to gain stacks
deft obsidian
Potentially, but nothing to imply it unless the reader read wrong 
exotic forum
pvp viability will depend on whether the beauty stacks need to be max or not to get the extra bonus
can prob figure it out with that dude's cook, google translating it didn't help much
actually the dmg instances are separate I think like mod
that makes it easier
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seeing 2 instances of dmg per pew pew hit before stacks maxed
can't see if it was just 1 instance at 0 stacks
bc the mfer missed every single pew pew in the first few seconds
deft obsidian
Hmm, lemme double check wording...
wheat vault
just wait 2 days for kit to be out 
oak cargo
Yep coping zone now
deft obsidian
Forgot that JP just uses English for that 
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so a 3RL comp should have a stack when she bursts
deft obsidian
fuuru sutakku
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seems like it could be from start of fight
essentially every 3 seconds decoy is there, gain a stack
since it took about 3 sec from start of fight to first stack gain
while it's a lot less if you start from the pew pew mode activation
so 3rl might be enough for 1 stack in pvp
slightly faster comps might be ok with that
although I don't think the initial charge even does dmg? will have to check
deft obsidian
Another idea
exotic forum
it looks like it's straight up just a charge up then goes into pew pew directly
deft obsidian
Stick her with Quiry HP stacking stall comp 
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meanwhile she's pew pewing you the entire time even during offburst
yeah
her initial charge
doesn't do any dmg
it's just a windup
so her gen... might be complete dogshit
relies purely on pew pew, and they only start after 1RL of time charging
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the pew pew is her decoy attack from what I can tell
deft obsidian
If so, that means her potency might actually be questionable for fights where damage is taken often
since she can only put another decoy up after 40s (before CDR)
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not sure if pew pew requires decoy to be active, since we never saw a decoy break
oak cargo
Her decoy attacks in redash clip
deft obsidian
Decoy can't shoot if it's gone 
deft obsidian
Big difference between her and Kilo tho
deft obsidian
Kilo's burst only brings back the shield if it's gone
exotic forum
unless she gets regular RL basics if decoys are gone
deft obsidian
meanwhile it's Cindy's S1 that brings back decoy when entering burst stage 3
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my assumption is that while pew pew comes from decoy, it doesn't matter if decoy is actually active or not
modest nest
cirremt;y. they are releasing a lot of skill based characters
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and decoy being active is only for stack gain
modest nest
Ein for example
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and maybe stack retention
deft obsidian
But yeah, Ein is essentially a mage
modest nest
was chatting with the shoes dealer
modest nest
deft obsidian
I did the testing before 
deft obsidian
Without core tho, I imagine skill is definitely much more
deft obsidian
Yeah, that's expected 
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wait
I forgot
I was checking her pew pew
need to check her burst for extra instance
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burst still has 2 instances per hit without max stack
modest nest
while waiting for this to end
exotic forum
lemme count how many times it hits
I counted 12
12 ticks of 2 instances each during the burst (without max stacks)
so the burst hits 12 random targets
deft obsidian
Decoy taunting would be a bad thing
deft obsidian
You don't want her decoy to break
oak cargo
exotic forum
dmg spike is insane wtf
deft obsidian
Cindy wants to stare at her own butt
oak cargo
Snake said sss everything why she mid now
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left is a burst hit without max stacks (approx half stacks I think)
modest nest
x10
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second is max
oak cargo
modest nest
anyway, I won't cook anything now
exotic forum
if so she could be screwed in a standard 3rl comp
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they keep making units that could be meta af in pvp but require so much ramping time that it's impractical
first crown now cindy 
just gotta pray that 1 stack dmg is still good enough
although the % gain for each instance is quite a bit diff from mid to max stacks
maybe something else going on
both should scale the same but diff multi...
either way dmg increase is nuts
stoic storm
Gotta keep PvP as its own meta
Why roll garbage like Rumani if Cinderella is viable
At least this way whales have a reason to roll Rumani/Bay/etc
visual urchin
Im already looking forward to the team:
CINDERELLA - Rouge - sAnis - Blanc? - Scarlet
toxic wren
Im already looking forward to the team:
CINDERELLA - Rouge - sAnis - Blanc? - Sc...
S.anis off burst and Ein over midlet
visual urchin
S.anis off burst and Ein over midlet
My Ein will take a long while before she actually get build
molten oak
Ill pair Crown with Alice for UR. So no space for Crown xd
Maybe grave is a better buffer for alice
We are waiting numbers
visual urchin
Maybe grave is a better buffer for alice
Oki, lets see :). Ammo is kind of problem so ye
molten oak
Sure it is
nimble crypt
dev encourage player to build alice (alice diary)
then they give free choose (or random) liter, naga, and alice after 100 pulls
tiny dirge
dev encourage player to build alice (alice diary)
then they give free choose (o...
Will they count the pulls before the update?
nimble crypt
i don't think so
i know dev deliberately pick those 3 nikke because highest usage on raids
but they are not pilgrim
dev just gatekeep any pilgrim
fallen quartz
yeah, 200 tickets
...Alice and Naga have no copy in the store
but they can give players two options: either NIKKE or 200 tickets
exotic forum
I hope it's retroactive, but I doubt it 😦
brave socket
same. They could have warned in advance if not when they added alice event ...
zenith jewel
doa
visual urchin
Is actual number only known when its official update?
pliant plover
we should get the skills in a few hours
brave socket
even then , can calculations be trustworthy when they mentioned she has some kind of new mechanic or something ?
exotic forum
specifics on the pew pew might ruin things
ability to core hit, reliability on hitting targets when moving cursor quickly, etc
neither look promising from the existing vids
travel time is too slow for it to track accurately I think
should have just made it hitscan laser beams tbh, but ig that would make it borderline like rh burst instead of a unique attack method
acoustic field
Im already looking forward to the team:
CINDERELLA - Rouge - sAnis - Blanc? - Sc...
Exia Rouge Blanc Ein Cinderella
There is a chance that Exia will not even be used.
This is because Rouge burst gives MAX HP buff!
@toxic wren Rouge Mast Ein Cinderella SAnis
For sure.
Blanc is dead.
Time to reset.
@oak cargo I think Rouge Mast 2B Cinderella + 1 MAX HP support will be meta in Raid.
SAnis and Ein will be in their own team.
visual urchin
Exia Rouge Blanc Ein Cinderella
Yep thats why i did pair Rouge with Cinderella! And Blanc helps with healing the lost HP might maybe also the case for hp calcuation?
frail crow
So uh
Whos busted
Or its not clear yet
I also love how theres NO talking about Rapu lmao
exotic forum
hmm
not sure where I saw wrong, but her low stacks dmg isn't as bad as I thought
max stacks 7 buffs second phase
2,782,031 per hit
at 2-3 stacks 7 buffs first phase
2,042,041 per hit
dmg gain per stack isn't actually that big
which means her 1 stack performance in pvp is likely enough for a proper nuke
maybe needs a buffer or two
her actual burst gen is likely near zero
each hit is literally like a pixel of gen
seems more than a single AR bullet, but less than uncharged SR or RL
comparisons made with both in boss fights, so that shouldn't be a factor
in pve you might be able to spam shots, since she only goes into pew pew on full charge
her spam shots might be a regular rl
gloomy steeple
Next month™️
dusty shuttle
Kit numbers when
Days
fallen quartz
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352975182065041410/1111202186274283610/wo...
the amount of hair fall in the wok, extra protein
crude oasis
Whos busted
Unclear, no numbers, no practical testing, best to just wait for release then hear about it. Before then, basically almost everything is speculative junk food 
bleak gate
My dad works at shift up and he said rapunzel was the best one
faint mountain
In bed or in game ?
deft obsidian
She's the best one for new players cuz free MLB and 20s B1 for Pilgrim Tower 
past spoke
So she is a better 2b in PvP?
copper ice
Mid, skip.
gloomy steeple
nah bully SU until she's meta
past spoke
bases on skill description she will not be neutered by Rosanna like 2b, but burst gen might be crap? Prob still viable in a noise comp
dusty shuttle
2b didn't exactly have good burst gen either
past spoke
I know, but she's a RL afterall XD
Fake rl
Now how would her decoy work in PvP .. or will that be a dead skill
Cause imagine summons decoys to be aoed by enemy RL...
molten oak
After maintenance
past spoke
Rogue in PvP though...
So... Bay noise quiry biscuit Cindy?
Sounds disgusting
Or maybe Bay noise quiry rumani Cindy to have 1 rotation burst and 2nd rotation recover. Stall the FK out of enemy while still have the potential to kill
exotic forum
Is there a b2 that boost max HP?
blanc if you ensure cindy is lowest hp value
exotic forum
Or maybe Bay noise quiry rumani Cindy to have 1 rotation burst and 2nd rotation ...
they just run SG team or ele'ed emilia or cindy to just kill bay, then you can't burst
gonna need a dedicated stall unit like nero if you wanna try that
exotic forum
exotic forum
using biscuit could work
exotic forum
I wouldn't really bother with it, requires invest in at least 2 super niche stall pvp units that you'll never use in normal pvp comps or pve
if cindy has trouble doing enough dmg on that 1 stack in a standard comp, or having trouble stacking, then sure a stall team should help cindy out
past spoke
i think no matter what she skips the down side of B2 and bypass the randomness of kilo needing to have shield survive
so she's going to be quite a nice hp nuker
exotic forum
noise isn't gonna work for 2 bursts if quiry, biscuit, and cindy are required
which they kinda are, except maybe biscuit if you run a strong enough stall unit instead
exotic forum
at that point just run a regular blanc cindy comp 
yeah you ain't bursting with that team
past spoke
There need to be a good 20sec b2
exotic forum
don't think there is one that is good for a stall team and also good gen
exotic forum
bad gen
past spoke
Next clip RL plz be 20sec b2
exotic forum
centi and anis are 20 sec, but they're just gen
elder pier
blanc if you ensure cindy is lowest hp value
Isnt that gonna be rare? Cindy is a defender with her own max hp buffs.
exotic forum
yeah
plus if that happens that usually means decoy is dead
which could cost her enough dmg due to stack loss to make her burst not a big threat
acoustic field
Wait, Cindy taunts. WAIT.
It's Rogue Mast SAnis Cindy Guillotine. :Fish:
oak cargo
Wait, Cindy taunts. WAIT.
It's Rogue Mast SAnis Cindy Guillotine. :Fish:
Who told u
exotic forum
?
molten oak
exotic forum
Wait, Cindy taunts. WAIT.
It's Rogue Mast SAnis Cindy Guillotine. :Fish:
still waiting for explanation 
crude oasis
Afaik for her to get Beauty stacks is unreliable if she/Decoy has to be attacked
But like how Phantom kit was deceptive in describing mechanics
We need to hold judgment until we get practical testing
exotic forum
Afaik for her to get Beauty stacks is unreliable if she/Decoy has to be attacked
her decoy doesn't have to get attacked
she gets a stack every 3 sec if decoy is active
crude oasis
Oh nice
topaz rampart
OL gear atk up should not be able affect on cinderella’s ” HP to atk” right?
I remember its only affect on original states before enter battle
And she alway full charge , so i guess OL gear charge dmg > atk
Right?
Can test it by 2b
toxic wren
OL gear atk up should not be able affect on cinderella’s ” HP to atk” right?
I r...
Hp -> atk is basically huge atk buff
Ol gear atk buff will be additive to that hp -> atk buff
toxic wren
OL gear atk up should not be able affect on cinderella’s ” HP to atk” right?
I r...
Need values to be sure about cdmg > atk
Cdmg only affect normal atk
Atk buff buff all of her damage
So basic damage needs to be doing huge numbers
In 2b's case, basic attacks do shit damage
So hope that it's not a repeat lol
topaz rampart
Thanks for explaining
pliant plover
hmm yeah I feel like atk will be superior
torn raven
So, if she's working as I'm reading, would you want something like Rouge/2B/Cindy/Mast/(Noise/Frima/some other max HP buffer)?
Basically a 2B team? If so, my max core 2B is gonna finally have another burst 3
toxic wren
Is kit out yet
toxic wren
So, if she's working as I'm reading, would you want something like Rouge/2B/Cind...
Let kit come
torn raven
I will, just hyping myself up for nothing
I'm playing a gacha game I don't exactly have patience lmao
deft obsidian
She may also end up wanting Charge Speed depending on how the details of her fire system end up
Part of her S1 is completely unknown
frigid pumice
Part of her S1 is completely unknown
cant wait for tomorrow...
molten oak
deft obsidian
More cleanly organized skill descriptions from PESU MY
Apparently Cindy's "Beauty" stacks to 12 
Guess that's from gameplay analysis
Oohhhhh
deft obsidian
although the % gain for each instance is quite a bit diff from mid to max stacks
12 stacks, 12 hits in burst
PESY MY is guessing that the number of times additional damage is proc'd is based on number of stacks
A stack copy system like Mast iirc
exotic forum
exotic forum
12 stacks, 12 hits in burst
no it's 12 hits even at 3-4 stacks
exotic forum
so I normalized it
deft obsidian
Only a few notes. Just looks better
agile pilot
we're gotten enough gacha creds to get genshit style kit leaks
exotic forum
3 stacks dmg = 1,864,519 + 177,522 additional
12 stacks dmg = 2,014,735 + 767,296 additional
assuming the first dmg is supposed to be the same in order to properly compare buffs, the 3 stacks dmg gets a 8.05% boost (prob hp% buff diff), resulting in:
3 stacks dmg = 2,014,613 + 191,813 additional
12/3 = 4
767,296/191,813 = 4
it matches up
additional dmg is 4x once the stacks increased by 4x
so the additional dmg per burst hit is a static multiplier * how many beauty stacks you got
deft obsidian
Ahh, gotcha
And based on Graves' gameplay, I'm assuming all units are at skill level 1
exotic forum
the additional dmg goes from 3.17% of the burst multi to 38.08% if 12 stacks
eh, not massive, but does make a diff
upper linden
spice bone
i love spreading misinformation btw
wheat vault
deft obsidian
Less than 24h now and still no kit 
molten oak
molten oak
molten oak
gloomy quartz
Red shoes new year right???
I close my eyes and I see them thighs wrapped around my head
molten oak
crude oasis
What are the odds New Year character will be Rose
slate apex
they are no longer allowed to use or show Rose due to no longer working the the original producer of her
we will never get Rose, she's basically removed
elder pier
they are no longer allowed to use or show Rose due to no longer working the the ...
I dont think so.
They are adding voices for her event archive this upcoming patch
slate apex
I dont think so.
They are adding voices for her event archive this upcoming patc...
Twitter
SBS stays, Rose is gone
elder pier
SBS stays, Rose is gone
Use a better translator.
SHIFT UP (hereinafter referred to as "the Company") recently received feedback regarding two characters used in the game Goddess of Victory: NIKKE, which the Company developed. It was pointed out that these characters might resemble the works of artist Neco, released in 2019. The Company sincerely apologizes for any concern or inconvenience this may have caused Neco and their fans.
After receiving this feedback, the Company engaged in sincere discussions with Neco. As a result, the Company has decided to immediately cease using one of the two characters, an NPC character. Regarding the character "Guren: Black Shadow," with Neco's gracious permission, we have been granted the understanding to continue its use. The Company expresses its deep gratitude for Neco's generosity and is committed to preventing similar issues in the future.
slate apex
are you saying that "immediatly discontinue" is that different from "cease use" to print it again?
regardless, wrong channel for that
elder pier
are you saying that "immediatly discontinue" is that different from "cease use" ...
The difference is the use of plural
slate apex
if you focus on the "s" on "characters" that's a you issue. it's obvious they are talking about a single entity. still: wrong channel
cease the topic
elder pier
if you focus on the "s" on "characters" that's a you issue. it's obvious they ar...
Its referring to the mass prod npc they changed right away
Not to mention why would they give rose a voice if they are just gonna discontinue her. Not to mention she literally looks nothing like the neco design
gloomy quartz
I don’t see why they can’t redesign rose?
artist guy has rights to his art but shitup can create another character and just call her “rose” and be done with it
oak cargo
molten oak
vital panther
So.... is Rose top? Must pull?
What is all this nonsense about some cinderella on Rose's thread?
heavy scaffold
who’s rose
tired elm
cinderella kit leaked
frail crow
cinderella kit leaked
2 huge kits
exotic forum
simple dock
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ripe abyss
Maintenance in 12 hours, no kit yet. This is so dumb.
ripe abyss
If it won't change anything, then no harm in releasing it 😦
wheat vault
From the screen📺 to the ring 🥊 to the pen 🖊️ to the king 👑! Where’s my kit 👑 🤷♂️ that’s my bling 💍 🤑 always trouble 😈 when I ring📞
pliant plover
it should be <t:1730282400:F>
wind cloak
I'm hard edging rn with all my molds that I'm saving up
My manufacturer molds are at 150
toxic wren
i will not forgive iprobie
wheat vault
what's the matter? you don't like your cheese drippy bruh?
wind cloak
I like my cheese stringy thank you
Whether it's from pizza fresh out of the oven or the sticks of string cheese
modest nest
deft obsidian
Kit in 20 
frigid pumice
mins ?
deft obsidian
Hours 
tame socket
W?
lament hare
oak cargo
Kitwen
nimble crypt
7pm korean time
heady hornet
topaz rampart
KIT
molten oak
Kit finally
plucky rampart
Kitttt
toxic wren
SOMEONE GO ON TWITTER
topaz rampart
ooohh
pliant plover
Twitter
topaz rampart
Twitter
toxic wren
plucky rampart
So cs ol no longer needed
deft obsidian
then just lets loose
toxic wren
6800%
maiden thicket
The scale of max HP is so small
leaden frigate
682% x10 
chilly kernel
What does decoy do?
deft obsidian
Stack mirror, 10 hits on burst
toxic wren
https://x.com/NIKKE_en/status/1851534826991735143?t=4BU2FVmA3Eapjnj2OOMVIw&s=19
can someone fucking download the image and send it here
so its big
fallen quartz
What does decoy do?
taunt enemy
maiden thicket
deft obsidian
Decoy doesn't taunt
It provides protection to her and passively generates her beauty stacks
molten oak
Yay no taunt
deft obsidian
So she doesn't want to get hit
fallen quartz
it's basically a glorify shield.
deft obsidian
That's a tanky decoy tho
maiden thicket
She has 2 decoys
topaz rampart
Fires a laser to preform a small range attack. Deals 32.11% of attack damage
toxic wren
what in the world
deft obsidian
Pretty sure she only gets one
fallen quartz
@modest nestShe is very good against CC
deft obsidian
Decoy rebuilt when bursting probably
lost zinc
Burst is good, at least better than Ssak
deft obsidian
Unclear tho
noble cipher
> Fires a laser to preform a small range attack. Deals 32.11% of attack damage
tldr; each of her missiles do half as much damage as most RL Nikke, but she fires her entire magazine back to back after the first round
lament wigeon
also 24 base ammo
slate apex
i don't trust your guys kits quality 
fallen quartz
self atk buff plus RL, she can both damage the horn and CC's body, not to mention self atk buff
slate apex
deft obsidian
i don't trust your guys kits quality <:Susge:1285323901727014968>
???
torn raven
That max HP buff seems really negligible
noble cipher
Sounds like we want to stack Max Ammo and Elemental Damage
fallen quartz
So max ammo is her essential
lament wigeon
That max HP buff seems really negligible
its final max hp
slate apex
image quality yeah
lament wigeon
technically can buff that hp to silly numbers
lost zinc
Ammo, atk, ele as usual
topaz rampart
her basic attack is quite good with all the multiplier
deft obsidian
Final max HP and gives ATK scaling
Whag normal RL modifier?
Cuz she fires super fast
toxic wren
i cant judge this off of feels because of this stupid fucking modifier and stupid fucking add damage and stupid fucking math
toxic wren
Whag normal RL modifier?
60^
toxic wren
64 smthng
fallen quartz
Ammo, atk, ele as usual
you need more ammo so she can reload as less as possible, more dps
slate apex
Grave kit in 1h
molten oak
Rip unit
torn raven
So definitely gonna work on a Max HP team then? Cuz I've needed someone else to work with 2B.
deft obsidian
And what was 2B's HP to ATK ratio?
molten oak
Moving to new year one
noble cipher
Sounds like we can probably make an HP team now
nimble crypt
could ciderella skill 1 breaks glass slipper?
noble cipher
definitely pairing Cinderella with Rouge
toxic wren
its time to pull out my 3 iq calculator
topaz rampart
Ammo, atk, ele as usual
I don't think she needs attack, more like ele, ammo and whatever left (?)
slate apex
And what was 2B's HP to ATK ratio?
higher iirc
deft obsidian
I figured that much
lost zinc
I don't think she needs attack, more like ele, ammo and whatever left (?)
Ammo def highest priority
fallen quartz
I don't think she needs attack, more like ele, ammo and whatever left (?)
yeah, she doesn't need atk, but good to have
chilly kernel
basic attack is 32.11%, Centi is 61.3%
fallen quartz
Max ammo highest, then come ele
slate apex
And what was 2B's HP to ATK ratio?
■ Activates when entering battle. Affects self. ATK ▲ 6.16% of the caster's final Max HP continuously.
deft obsidian
Cindy ATK ratio still really high for how quickly she fires
signal hollow
basic attack is 32.11%, Centi is 61.3%
but her way of attacking is different
fallen quartz
Cindy shoot faster than 2B
topaz rampart
yeah, so off burst cindy can still hits hard
deft obsidian
This unit is busted
fallen quartz
in fact, 2B dmg is from nuke
signal hollow
after a full charge she starts firing at faster intervals
fallen quartz
shooting doesn't really matter for 2B
noble cipher
Cinderella has much less ATK from her skills than 2B, but her basic attacks (and likely burst gen) aren't going to be complete trash compared to 2B's basic atack %
signal hollow
skyliv
noble cipher
Her burst also has a higher damage ceiling, but suffers from the fact that it hits random enemies rather than 2B's distributed damage
nimble crypt
could Cindy charge spd works on PvP
plucky rampart
shooting doesn't really matter for 2B
Not really all form of atk kinda matter for dps be it basic passive or even burst
slate apex
6829.6% single target damage 
topaz rampart
if 3 shots in 1 sec, then 96 damage per/s before counting full charge?
rigid cosmos
Her burst also has a higher damage ceiling, but suffers from the fact that it hi...
still be good for bosses with no ads (mirror)
fallen quartz
6829.6% single target damage <:PES_Interesting:619847304480030720>
so she hit 10 times on 1 target when against boss
non-summon boss
lost zinc
SSak is 4570% for reference, sequentially for burst
nimble crypt
hit random so bad for PvP
fallen quartz
not really
nimble crypt
but if Cindy burst gen great then good
pliant plover
yeah she just nukes all of them
noble cipher
SSak is 4570% for reference, sequentially for burst
Yeah, but S. Sakura has significantly higher stats by merit of being a Attacker
slate apex
let's talk about this interaction
lost zinc
Yep definitely
heady field
Noticed she is Elec code. Exia/S.Anis team?
nimble crypt
so i think 10-10-7?
oak cargo
Will see some s7-s9 Mirror Container here tmr 