[Phantom] New Unit Megathread

[torpid basin]

explode, deals 82% atk as dmg

damn that's small

[bright dagger]

What?

It's not wait 5s, I thought

If you debuff 3 enemies, all 3 immediately explodes

[torpid basin]

[bright dagger]

And you can do it again to those 3

Basically, shoot each enemy twice

Enemy 1: Shoot twice. Next! Enemy 2: Shoot twice. Next! Enemy 3: Shoot twice.

All three enemies explode. Debuffs and buffs are cleared (from enemies and from Phantom).

Do it again!

[torpid basin]

problem is Thief's dagger is not removed by that action

[bright dagger]

It's 12 bullets per second, so, half a second to shoot 6 bullets at the fastest reaction

[torpid basin]

it's only removed after duration ends

[bright dagger]

Rereading while secretly wishing bad luck on the kit creator

Okay

I'll just wait for practical testing

Because who knows if the localizers butchered the kit again

If ultimately it's wait 5s for a 82% final atk explosion, that sucks

If all true, I'm putting her on skip/wishlist

[slim cipher]

No, it's worded same as Crown's

so I think stacks are purged when they hit max

[ember skiff]

[torpid basin]

we will see

unless they are cooking MF in Nikke

[hard oyster]

@torpid basin did you math this hoe?

[torpid basin]

no

.

[hard oyster]

So phantom worse than quency?

Maybe she can go wishlist ig

Anniv is too close

I'll give both banners 50 pulls each

[wet fiber]

yes

[burnt wraith]

I want 1 Quency copy then bye

[slim cipher]

Is that assuming one stack, assuming three stacks that are expended at end of duration, or assuming three stacks that are expended upon reaching max?

[torpid basin]

One stack

If she worked like crown

She would be something else

[slim cipher]

That's what I'm hoping for since the JP wording is same

Sadly, after Trony, there's reason to assume the wording ended up bad on all versions equally

[stiff birch]

mlb worthy unit

[ruby fractal]

What if there is a mistranlation

[slim cipher]

Then her kit could be anything

I didn't notice any problems between JP and EN; both languages are worded like Crown, as Crown's kit itself doesn't actually explain that stacks are removed upon hitting max

so that's how I'm choosing to interpret it

I think she'll be much much better than anticipated for Harvester and suspect will see mobs in the upcoming SR

[rigid merlin]

[ruby fractal]

Needs xmica or bunnyalice

Or both

[plain echo]

nah

it's BG Alice + Pepper lol

wait

actually

I was memeing but xmica might unironically be good for both of them

like, Phantom and Quency

permanent 40% ammo up is no joke

[bright dagger]

... you know that's one ammo OL line right?

Since there's diminishing returns to stacking more and more max ammo (you can just reload, or you can just get high reload speed, or all of the enemies died, or the boss is doing some transition...)

[torpid basin]

no joke

it's a comedy

[wooden torrent]

[slim cipher]

If X Mica's buff were +40% final Max Ammo Capacity, then it would be godlike

[icy ore]

It is, isn't it?

[slim cipher]

No

[wooden torrent]

everything in the game is base/casters except for atk because atk tooltips always mention final or caster's

[slim cipher]

My Modernia's max ammo is 935, and X Mica's S1 at level 4 gives 28%. If it were final max ammo, she'd get 261 extra rounds for over 1100 rounds

Instead, Mod only gets 1019

[wooden torrent]

until other stat modifiers split and use the words final or base, then just assume everything but atk is base

[slim cipher]

Even ATK is base unless final is stated

[wooden torrent]

me waiting for final DEF descriptor for mast kit

[slim cipher]

False

Maxwell and Yulha

Liter as well?

I do think that every banner unit we've gotten uses final or caster's, but some of the base units just have ATK buffs

[icy ore]

Ohhhh, didn't know you mean final, reading comprehensive

Mb

Yeah, she'd godlike

[slim cipher]

Yeah, if we can units with final max ammo buffs, they'll be crazy good. Max Ammo OL lines are so good that they pretty much render an % max ammo buff useless (unless the rest of the kit is good)

[wet fiber]

skip

[burnt wraith]

yeah low spenders and dolphins can skip this character

Especially if we want to MLB anni pilgrim and new year one

[slim cipher]

I'll be wasting spending resources on investing her, so wait to laugh at me before doing the same

[wet fiber]

thanks for your sacrifice

[slim cipher]

[burnt wraith]

rip lad

[icy ore]

Why wait when you can do it now

[slim cipher]

She's not out yet

Oh, you mean the laughing part

Cuz the stack consumption part of her kit could actually end up quite strong in the right circumstances

And also being AR gives her effective range bonus over Quency for most content

I don't think Phantom will be particularly good as a general unit, but I'm wagering she'll have use vs AI Harvester, similar to Ein with Mirror Container

[toxic flower]

are we expecting phantom next week?

[slim cipher]

Only if simulataneous release, I think

Otherwise she'll be the second banner, I imagine

[sick arrow]

Let us know if it works

Enlighten us

[hollow ridge]

isnt this kinda hecka hella good

also i love her tiddies

[dusty kindle]

How good Phantom for Elysion tower?

[cedar oasis]

Probably very good considering the options for elysion dps are horrid

Maid privaty that can barely self stack

[wooden torrent]

lmao

phanmid

banner out after solo raid ends

[wet fiber]

Phantom will NOT be usable in Solo Raid

[thorn wyvern]

She is a phantom after all

[terse acorn]

Elysion is the dumping ground for most shit/mid nikkes

[white gazelle]

I'm literally waiting for Phantom so I can kill Nihilister in Elysion tower

vesti ain't cutting it lmao

[burnt wraith]

Midhom

[terse acorn]

you can use d:wife, treasure diesel, guillotine, FLEX, helm for nihilister

[slim cipher]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091417140076228628/1286578116281503744/image.png?ex=66fb99be&is=66fa483e&hm=42d80c070b534cf6a29f3f5ef144bfca4eba67b8f2da4b16cdcd998127407b9f&

What I used

With Helm, there wasn't enough damage

[terse acorn]

Did you burst with helm?

I just used helm for battery and small damage buff

[slim cipher]

Nah, I bursted with the same units

[terse acorn]

oh wait which floor is this?

[slim cipher]

290

Is there an even higher one?

[terse acorn]

I cleared it with privaty being my flex on a relatively same level as you

[slim cipher]

Well, I'll have Phantom for that

[terse acorn]

I heard there's one in the 300 range

[slim cipher]

oops, forgot Privaty existed

S Neon actually did a great job considering +0 T9Ms and 4/4/4

[terse acorn]

I literally do not want to invest in more elysimid units lol

[slim cipher]

I'm investing in Phantom both because I really like her design-wise, and I'm also on hard copium she'll actually be good

Completely betting on her stack system working like Crown's

[burnt wraith]

Sneon back to meta ||I know she never was there||

[slim cipher]

If it doesn't, then she's dead on release

[burnt wraith]

[terse acorn]

sneon was dead on arrival lol

wdym back to meta

[slim cipher]

She was actually used for top scores in the Harvester raid

No records now since enikk didn't exist then

so she was actually meta for one raid

Only leviathans were willing to invest in her enough to make her useful

[terse acorn]

ah meta by default then (lack of units lol)

[slim cipher]

But yeah, back when she was released, just being an MG made her OP (while strong element)

Just had to use her as an off-burst

Then the raid ended and she vanished from existence

I have a feeling Phantom will be in Smol White territory, where she's actually quite good when invested vs mobs but weak vs bosses

but I'm super hoping that B Alice will let her function vs bosses, too

[terse acorn]

I'm not following on the stack debate here so I have no idea y phantom is mid now

[slim cipher]

Phantom needs multiple targets to hit in order to get stacks

She'll be stuck at one stack and unable to get her second and third, which prevents her from getting 2/3 of her hit rate buff and a decent chuck of distr damage buff

(as well as the additional hit)

I theorize she'll be useful vs Harvester because of this, but practical testing will be necessary to figure out if straying from hitting the boss itself to glance-hit mobs will cause DPS loss or not

For other bosses without mobs, she'll need B Alice to give her stacks, but it'll be a slow process (and require careful timing of her burst)

[terse acorn]

everyone is focusing on single boss then we have elysion filling in the super niche of boss with mobs

[slim cipher]

Yeah, if she's really strong vs boss with mobs, then she'll be a critical unit for Elysion tower and water-weak Overclock

That's also why I'm not surprised Quency is the first unit coming out with SR

Land Eater doesn't have mobs

Therefore, Phantom isn't designed in favor of the fight

[terse acorn]

watch as the next 5 SR bosses will also not have mobs

phantom forgotten lol

[slim cipher]

Mhm. I don't expect Phantom to be used in raids

Harvester is where my focus is

I need quite a few boots but am not motivated to deal with the spider atm

[sick arrow]

Chapter 33 34 water 💦 weak metatom

[finite mica]

Oh, I didn't notice that at all

[pallid mountain]

https://x.com/NIKKE_en/status/1840934760006213826
well it look like you need to hit other rapture in order to gain stack.
EZ skip then

GODDESS OF VICTORY: NIKKE (@NIKKE_en) on X

【NIKKE Motion Demonstration】

Phantom uses AR: Midnight Thief.

Phantom is an attacker who becomes stronger when launching focused attacks at the enemies.

She applies buffs to herself when attacking the same enemy. When attacking multiple enemies, she gains additional buffs

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 2:00 AM

[sick arrow]

i wonder if she can just focus on her stacks and ignore harvester core if needed and still compensate for core damage loss

[torpid basin]

you should wonder if you can just focus on Quency and ignore Phantom if needed and still compensate for DPS

[sick arrow]

[sudden patio]

Use bunny alice to solve the problem

[sick arrow]

thank for saving me from astraying the right direction

[bright dagger]

Phantom will be with us in spirit

[pliant aspen]

phantom's sole purpose is to push elysion tower

people did say that elysion tower was too shit to do, so SU handed them the exact solution

it's a shame she can't be used in tower boss stages

[slim cipher]

Depends in the boss

Lords usually have mobs in their fights. It's just Tyrants that don't

[old heath]

Her burst animation is really plain.

[torpid basin]

she's plain

unless they insert some sex story

[burnt wraith]

I like her jap VA

[ruby fractal]

She can

Solo raid always ends on thursday

Thursday reset to friday

And thursday phantom shows up

If u wanna wait till last day sure

[obsidian nebula]

Not really this time its different
Next raid end 1 sec before phantom banner up

[ruby fractal]

The fuck

Fucking dumb SU

[obsidian nebula]

Next reset raid already started thats why theres no hope for phantom lmao
Phantom already doomed

[slim cipher]

Phantom is meant to be a unit for Harvester and Elysion tower

Not a raid unit from the start with her condition of needing to hit multiple targets

[wet fiber]

oh we have her kit my bad

[terse acorn]

we have them in nikkepedia lol

[wet fiber]

i literally made the threads with nikkepedia content

but we have them official now, numbers stay like that

and it's WAY prettier to look at

[bright dagger]

💀

Wait, no

It was too long since I last looked that I forgot stuff

It’s the same, still lol

Deleting all the evidence before Poli sees how dumb I was

[slim cipher]

👀

[bright dagger]

Coverup successful

I hope kits don’t get too complicated later, though

It… depresses me when I have to make a real effort to understand a kit properly

[torpid basin]

It is complicated

May need to attack like a mf

Miss fortune

[slim cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-fire-gif-5508184

Live Phantom play

ironically with Quency weapon type

[icy ore]

Isn't Quency still retains her original weapon and Phantom uses AR?

[slim cipher]

Yes

[rigid merlin]

Guillotine will always be my main DPS

She and Privaty is pretty much a must for Elysion tower

[torpid basin]

until you fight Ultra

suddenly no place for Priv

[bright dagger]

So true, Elysion Tower Ultra

[torpid basin]

I stuck in 400F Ely for now

lacking 135 bars

lowest clear of the month is 830k kek

830/840

[bright dagger]

Ooh it’s that very same floor I shared screenshot of

It’s brutal, Guillotine was literally almost dead from taking the shockwave to her face to preserve cover

[bright dagger]

794k power was my clear Floor recommended power is 866k

[torpid basin]

that's probably Ultra 410F?

Ely meets Ultra twice in 400 and 410F

but I don't know anthing above

[bright dagger]

I can confirm it’s 400F

[torpid basin]

oh

how the hell you are still in here

[bright dagger]

Haha, this is a grab from my video of the clear

[torpid basin]

these days I can run Diesel

and face tank everything

[bright dagger]

I only put up a few videos ever, this was one, so easy for me to find quickly

[torpid basin]

problem is no cover restoring so the shockwave blasts cover too quick

[bright dagger]

Should’ve pulled Zwei

[torpid basin]

I have to eat shockwaves twice to preserve cover

I did

putting Zwein instead of D = 700k cp

that shit crazed

[bright dagger]

RIP

[torpid basin]

part farm is okay

but real dmg I need more

something as strong as Guillo

may be Phantom will cut it but for 410F

[bright dagger]

Maybe Queen Quency is what you need

[torpid basin]

[bright dagger]

Wait, Elysion

RIP

Sometimes I forget that we have to handicap ourselves to the worst manufacturer

[torpid basin]

from my meth, Phantom deals decent dmg

so she probably match Guillo dmg here

[bright dagger]

What about Maid Privaty?

[torpid basin]

MPriv deals like 1/2 of Guillo

[wooden torrent]

people malding elysion tower as if elysion molds are worth it

[torpid basin]

does it matter?

where there's a goal, there's a mald

kinda beautiful

[rough remnant]

ely tower bad against boss that need cover (nihil, ultra)

but against mother whale is easy

[shy garden]

very subtle with their inspiration

[icy ore]

It makes me wish for Persona collab

[inland gorge]

The P5 collab at home

Honestly, I like this better

[finite mica]

Yeah this is totally a P5 inspiration

[unkempt yarrow]

They did it to avoid the P5 curse

[pliant aspen]

persona collabs are cursed (many gachas eos'd a year after p5 collabs, this is their way of going around it

[unkempt yarrow]

[rustic flint]

am i reaching with this take or does phantom look alot like brid

have i gone mad?

[dusky pendant]

a pigeon in your imagination?

[unkempt yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/king-shark-suicide-squad-bird-jamegunn-thesuicidesquad-gif-22066177

[rustic flint]

brid

BRID

THIS ONE

[dusky pendant]

Why are you posting a picture of Bird?

[unkempt yarrow]

Brid will get a treasure next, trust me bro

[rustic flint]

[dusky pendant]

I mean, if her treasure as good as other, she will become SS, or even meta

[unkempt yarrow]

Her treasure should give her a thicc shield

or heal her at least

[rustic flint]

it should make her burst condition easier to maintain, like above 80% hp for full damage

[old galleon]

hey question how good is phantom skills

[sudden patio]

Remove hp limitation for Brid. We are now in 2024, not 2022

[old galleon]

so not worth getting

damn was hoping she be good for elysion tower

[sick arrow]

the problem with that tower is the burst gen, good b2

or something meta borderline at least blanc noir

[old galleon]

what bout something like centi

[sick arrow]

yeah i think it could work, like that addition, still, not gonna top other tower

currently its for maid pri, guilo, pri,
maid pri for screenwide,
guilo is just an mg
pri is just whatever
Phantom doesnt really edge out from them (from my humble perspective), not shifting the situation harder enough

and these (maid pri, guilo, pri,) are shiet burst gen, Phantom doesnt change that, some cope with Helm, but she is not that exeptional burst gen also

too clunky to fix them

[slim cipher]

The effectiveness of her stack system needs testing to figure out. I'll be investing a lot in her next week, so check back then to see my findings

I think she'll be more useful than what we have now

[winged mortar]

elysion continues to get shafted from the lack of a duo, sadge.

and here i was hoping Phantom could be the game changer for Tower, i've basically just ignored Elysion tower until it hits blue, cba to mald anymore lol

so from what i'm reading from y'all so far, she's just a wishlistable unit and not worthy of a day 1 pull right

especially given how close 2nd anni is

[sick arrow]

Ye just personally not for me, i dont see her value atm. But we got some enthusiastic people here willing giving her a chance. We could learn a thing or two but definitely not sth i would rush to get asap

[hollow ridge]

I thought Phantom looked so fucking broken

https://tenor.com/view/brother-calm-mr-calm-cat-street-cat-gif-10149858768159774573

[slim cipher]

AR problems

The big numbers are there to make the weapon usable

The only hope of Phantom being good is how her stacks work. Cuz if she can proc the 84% final ATK on three targets rapidly, that'll help her DPS a lot

[night crest]

Wonder, will she be viable against solo bosses if used with BAlice?

[slim cipher]

Sadly, I doubt it. The stack generation would be too slow

[pliant aspen]

alice needs to fire 90 rounds under 5s to restack phantom

[unkempt yarrow]

[marsh grove]

question
how good is phantom btw?
is it worth to pull?
or i should skip and save for 2nd anni?

[slim cipher]

Looking like a skip, as she won't be out in time for solo raid anyway

[marsh grove]

who's phantom JP VA btw?

[slim cipher]

Need her to actually be out before final say can be had, tho

Hiromi Hirata

Most well known for her role as Makoto from idolmaster

[wet fiber]

[dusky pendant]

We don't know yet, need to test so you should hold back to get her for now

[hard oyster]

Skip

[hard oyster]

Fuck this unit lmfao

Save for anniv

[dusky pendant]

But, but... meta Elysion

[marsh grove]

thx

[icy ore]

Wdym? She's the anniv unit

She's the first bipolar eyes character

[dusky pendant]

Kuro and Guillotine: "Heresy!"

[slim cipher]

Skip unit and enjoy watching me waste resources on her

[wooden torrent]

watch them make anniv solo raid boss water weak with mobs like fire nvidia or something

[slim cipher]

[dusky pendant]

Elysion tower so suck that It make me want to get Phantom

...SHIFTUP CONSPIRACY THEORY!!

[wooden torrent]

just ignore it

[sick arrow]

[finite mica]

Yeah, I had a feeling

[burnt wraith]

[dusky pendant]

Wait until you reach 325, tug of war, dps check

😂

[wooden torrent]

yea that'd be by christmas

with 461 sync at least

[dusky pendant]

healer with def buff, so yeah...

[vagrant pewter]

I got to 325 before 461 smh

dkw and mpriv only invested/OLed too

and now stuck here because no damage

[torpid basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910980477400264715/1293203201998327869/image.png?ex=670684d5&is=67053355&hm=a625c70e097376ed6cdfe3b8c00a50fa683f85c75ea3dfe0916a5659daa8a295&

you can do it

also I know the timing to deal with Ultra now

[wet fiber]

tDiesel?

[wooden torrent]

the tower is not worth pushing

elysion units are shit, by extension elysion mold is also shit

just push 1 level for daily and done

[vagrant pewter]

true

[torpid basin]

yeah

Diesel Treasure 2

she swallows everything

except Bronchus

that's on my own

[wet fiber]

[sick arrow]

Im still stuck at 375 so pepega into dieselT is the 🔑

[dusky pendant]

Look, the game decide to support me to push Elysion tribe tower

got a dupe from 10 free pulls

[vast path]

i tried treasure diesel for the meme this SR

holy shit she just eat everything land eater throws at her, bombs, the bullet basically heals her to full lmao

[slim cipher]

Yeah, I think only something like Solo Raid Rebuild Spook could actually kill her

[wooden torrent]

chatterbox but with no dispel in team

[slim cipher]

True

[sly shard]

Is phantom worth pulling for anything?

[torpid basin]

pull

don't leave a gray spot in your book

[sly shard]

Can't just pull willy nilly. My stash is destroyed

[sly shard]

She's a skip?

[vagrant pewter]

big skip

[shy garden]

how much worse is she compared to quency?

since they prob fill the same role

[torpid basin]

to be fair

they are pretty much the same

we just slander her due to Elysion

[slim cipher]

I think Phantom's going to be stronger than Quency for Harvester, so I'll be dumping resources into her after work tomorrow

[sly shard]

Hmm

[shy garden]

even in boss situation with no adds?

[torpid basin]

yeah

my sheet didn't count the shitty S2 dmg

[sick arrow]

What team are you going to use for that? Im looking forward to see the assessment as i cant invest into Phantom cause broke

[sick arrow]

Phantom and Quency look the same in gameplay difficulty , the role they fill when pairing with xlud (but i dont think either can replace xlud if we look to trigger a specific delay on Harvester)
-Quency cares about her stack, not getting stunned, need to crit on burst, prefer no or little rapture on burst
-Phantom would care more about maintaining 75% atk up s1 at burst, finding window to hit rapture to maintain hit rate up (core damage loss), not sure if the def down reapplying on the boss.
If Gatrix is right on they are being the same, then the ceiling peak comp would still be:
Crown-Naga-Xlud-Quency/Phantom-Liter

this comp is different from Dorothy/Sbs variant due to the ability to trigger delayed Qte to line up Xlud burst before Qte in which dorothy/Sbs fails to do (this leads to 1 whole xlud burst damage loss); crucial if close to s7 or s9 attempt.

[slim cipher]

Crown/B1/Phanton/Water DPS/Naga probably

Pretty sure X Lud is mandatory, but gonna try each combation of the three of them

May also try the suicide attempt of all three together

I'll be stuck testing with +0 OLs since gear exp is the biggest suffering I have in the game

I'll have to pray for decent rolls

[sick arrow]

Its alright we can gauge at different level of gear and OL, its just more important what role each of them play and are they outstanding at that or not, mostly the number is just vague without details

Because on paper math Gatrix states quency is 85% xlud while in actual run Quency can edge up much more similar investment

Cant fully utilize all the value

[slim cipher]

Yup. Paper math only goes so far, and Phantoms stack system is way too chaotic

[ruby fractal]

yes Quency is better

XLud cannot be properly mathed

requires very optimal gameplay and scales better off OL gear

Gatrix calculations have 12 perfect OL lines

which are biased toward XLud

[sick arrow]

[slim cipher]

soon™️

[sly shard]

Alright peeps, how's phantom's in game performance?

[wet fiber]

skip

[wet fiber]

IT'S BEEN THREE MINUTES

[slim cipher]

lol

I'm still putting stuff on her

[sly shard]

Thanks peeps

[wet fiber]

lol

let Kigi test but imo skip

[sly shard]

I was hyped for a potentially good elysion dps to push the tower...

[slim cipher]

She's probably going to be good for tower

Just not bosses

WOAH

SHE WORKS HOW I THOUGHT

[hard oyster]

guys is she good?

[obsidian nebula]

Cmon do more test how much more good she is in reality my pull depend on your results lol

[slim cipher]

4/4/4 Phantom vs 7/10/10 Quency vs the 1:30 mobs in shooting range

Obviously ignore X Lud cuz no burst

She'll be helpful in tower for sure

Every time she hits three enemies, she deals damage to all three

The marks on the enemies explode

so she's actually best outside of full burst

Just spin the cursor around the map to hit as many units as possible

[wet fiber]

spin

[slim cipher]

then in full burst, focus the tanky elites

Gonna test vs boss

but I expect poor results

[hard oyster]

40 pulls

[marsh grove]

bro same

[hard oyster]

im the goat

[vagrant pewter]

no you're a snake

[slim cipher]

Phantom bursted one more time than Quency

I don't think more skill levels will help much with that

[eternal plume]

#1286256304087896124 message

[slim cipher]

Gonna swap Quency for B Alice and see if she can improve Phantom's damage at all vs single target, then I'll go to tower

[hard oyster]

yall dont have my luck

dont try to play with fire

i actually have fucking goated pull luck

[slim cipher]

I got her in 20

with a Miranda spook on the first 10

[vagrant pewter]

I mean you almost didn't have red hood I think I'm okay with not having your luck

[slim cipher]

Okay, looks like B Alice can get Phantom to full stacks

[hard oyster]

a mistake that shall not happen again

all because of sneon and tiga

i wouldve folded and spent 50 bucks tbh

[eternal plume]

20 pulls

[slim cipher]

4/4/4 23% ele Phantom vs 10/7/10 81% ele X Lud

Gonna raise Phantom to 7/7/7 now

[wet fiber]

single target 3m boss?

[slim cipher]

Yup, water-weak

With B Alice, she can actually fully stack (and release stacks)

so she's getting her full buffs and dealing the extra damage procs

[obsidian nebula]

Shotgun dont want her so they give her other friend lol

[slim cipher]

Running same team again with now 7/7/7

Also note this is on full auto, so hit rate is lowered

Minimal increase in damage

Gonna run manual

More damage. Gonna try on non-water weak now since X Lud's ele rolls are too high

[desert mantle]

so we max core phantom?

[sick arrow]

Would be nice to see some clip on harvester if u have chance @slim cipher

Wait i see balice

[slim cipher]

With element rolls out of the picture

LB0 7/7/7 +0 OLs vs C6 10/7/10 +5 OLs

[wet fiber]

scrope lock full auto water weak

[slim cipher]

B Alice dramatically increases her damage

vs single target, at least

Lemme do a tower run using Elysion units rq then I'll do Harvester

Oh right, forgot scope lock was a thing

[burnt wraith]

your luck rerolling gears?

no thanks

[slim cipher]

Well, was a wipe cuz like 200k CP under, but

Phantom good for mobs

[sly shard]

How did you think?

[slim cipher]

Once she gets three stacks, she purges them and deals the additional damage procs

Meaning if you just swing your cursor back and forth over three units, it keeps proccing over and over

Harvester time

Actually, lemme quickly run Kraken to try to reroll her garbage rolls

[sly shard]

But you can't concentrate your damage on anything?

What about single target bosses?

[slim cipher]

For single target, needs B Alice or bust

[sly shard]

Oh ok

[slim cipher]

See here and N3x's scope locks

Needs B Alice to get to X Lud's level

[sly shard]

@wet fiber @hard oyster so...no longer skip then?

[slim cipher]

Nah, not yet

Lemme test more

I'll try her in my hard campaign after Harvester

I do think she's BiS for Elysion Tower tho

Yeah, you can't focus one thing, but you can just wiggle around outside of full burst then full focus during full burst

[wet fiber]

personally still skip. she needs bAlice to work on single boss and what's her use outside of water weak? we have carries for all other types

[hard oyster]

You don't need this unit. No matter what anyone says.

Only reason you need this unit is for water weak raids, but the next one is 5 months away

[slim cipher]

Her being strong vs Harvester would be the only true potential for not making her a skip for most people

[hard oyster]

No one needs this unit

[slim cipher]

People without X Lud may

[hard oyster]

Just save and pull xLud in 1.5 months

[slim cipher]

[hard oyster]

Anyways her sole use will still be
Water weak raids

Similar to quency but weaker bossing unit overall

Think A tier bossing

I can't judge other stuff rn but I pulled her to test that stuff

Still a skip

[sly shard]

Okay. What about elysion tower?

[hard oyster]

Fuck that tower lmfao

Phantom isn't going to be the magical carry unit

[sly shard]

lol ok

[hard oyster]

If you push at 5-10% deficit rn,

you'll now push at 7-12%

[wet fiber]

especially not with whatever the fuck this is

[sly shard]

Why is that bad?

[hard oyster]

Also, if the unit is only good for tower
It is not a pull

Would you pull guillotine if she was released today?

I doubt it

I would skip her

I put phantom = guillo

[slim cipher]

She's better than Guillo by far

[sly shard]

I pulled for guillotine on standard banner lol

Recently got her on wishlist pulls

[hard oyster]

As a unit, I'd say guillo is similar cuz

• Used in her element's raid
• used for Ely tower
• that is all folks

[sly shard]

My elysion sucks so bad

[sick arrow]

I dont want to babysit her with balice, i want her to fill the vacant job

https://tenor.com/view/we-expect-results-results-we-want-results-great-outcomes-expectations-gif-14898150

[sly shard]

Okay

Save for Xmas limited then

[wet fiber]

number is way too low for distrib damage. you can only use that on solo boss else it tickles the enemies

why do i say it tickles? because maid privy on burst has

■ Affects all enemies. Deals 1066.66% of final ATK as damage.

[slim cipher]

Remember she's also buffing her own distributed damage like +50%

But yeah, burst damage is low

but outside of burst?

No one's touching her vs mobs

Well, aside from the hyper carries, of course which Elysion lacks

Harvester time~

[sick arrow]

its time

[sly shard]

I see

Is that the equivalent of 11 normal shots?

[eternal plume]

so, better than viper+, then

[hard oyster]

Viper is not used for her tower

But that's a low bar wtf

And it's a different investment

Pulls Vs doll mats

All I'm saying is if you skip phantom your life will be fine

[sick arrow]

4/4/4 23% ele Phantom vs 10/7/10 81% ele X Lud

[sly shard]

Is quency the better pull between the two?

[wet fiber]

yes

[burnt wraith]

Must pull

[sick arrow]

[shy garden]

either I'm not tagging correctly, or she really doesn't benefit that much from having mobs

dmg drop in ST didn't seem that big

[shy garden]

keeping max marked is also a pain

[slim cipher]

Both units died from suiciders like 6 seconds from end

[sly shard]

How did that happen?

[wet fiber]

TLDR pull Quency skip Phantom

[slim cipher]

Harvester doesn't spawn enough mobs

[sick arrow]

opps another problem, harvester doesnt have “enough” mobs

[slim cipher]

Yeah

Phantom needs to constantly proc her stack removal to deal damage

Harvester doesn't spawn enough for that

Quency wins ez

[wet fiber]

since you have some decent levels and overload

[burnt wraith]

Why does SU hate elysion?

[slim cipher]

Phantom is exclusively a tower unit

[wet fiber]

can you run a 3m shooting range with quency bursting before phantom in 2 ways: with and without bAlice?

[slim cipher]

Sure!

Element neutral or strong?

Actually, my Quency has 75% ele

so neutral probably better

3m mobs or boss?

Ah, if with/without B Alice, boss I assume

[wet fiber]

boss

[wet fiber]

damn, in that case neutral

[slim cipher]

Just gonna full auto so they have same relative accuracy

[eternal plume]

or, test them seperate from each other

[slim cipher]

I did that

[sudden locust]

So phantom = 0.5 Scarlet?

[slim cipher]

Scarlet is weaker than X Lud, so no

Her burst is definitely weaker than Scarlet's tho

[sudden locust]

I mean Scarlet burst only needs to hit like 2 or 3 targets to be better right?

And ofc you better pray the Capsules are weak to water

[slim cipher]

Scarlet also needs near perfect OL lines to be remotely decent

[sudden locust]

Phantom hits a group of enemies containing a non fire code capsule- NOTHING HAPPENS

[slim cipher]

That's only looking at bursts

Phantom > Scarlet for normal attacks

Heck, Smol White demolishes Scarlet when it comes to mobbing

[slim cipher]

@wet fiber

[wet fiber]

thankies

[sudden locust]

I hope Scarlet can get favorite item one day

[slim cipher]

B Alice stacking is still quite slow, but it does make a difference for DPS

[slim cipher]

She will in Nikke 2

[wet fiber]

she lost ~14% damage by removing bAlice

[burnt wraith]

Damn, mid character and stuck with balice

[slim cipher]

Yeah, I'm not seeing much hope outside of Elysion tower tbh

Sadly Elysion tower not available today

[sick arrow]

Damn already doomposted 1 hour into release

|| ||

[burnt wraith]

Wishlist because she looks cool

[slim cipher]

Wow, she's even bad for event stages If she kills things in one shot, it doesn't apply marks

Oh wait, no

It does, but the sound/visual effect doesn't go off

Weird

[slim cipher]

Wind-weak 1:30 mob stage

And with that, time to get three hours of sleep before work

[sick arrow]

thank you for your sacrifice

[spring glacier]

water weak overclock niche?

[flat sedge]

PEAK GAME PLAY BOYSSSS

[shy garden]

[desert mantle]

[vast path]

so... another L ysion?

[flat sedge]

in theory she can hit her 80%x3 20 times per 5 second

definitely more than SBS on burst damage

lol

[slow notch]

damn, i checked pins and the summary is one word, "skip"

[flat sedge]

but at what cost? pause scumming 3000 times a battle

[thorn wyvern]

Is she into sm? Whenever i see these kinds of masks i think of sm

[eternal plume]

I think that's a you issue

[unkempt yarrow]

How's the cooking?

[burnt wraith]

#1286256304087896124 message

[unkempt yarrow]

Aight, focusing on Quency and Treasure Exia now

[burnt wraith]

[flat sedge]

second vid did it better

[thorn wyvern]

What does pausing do

[sick arrow]

this deserves a pin, this is actually how to play her

[flat sedge]

it's a pain tho lmfao that was only 5 seconds real time

[flat sedge]

allows you to aim at different targets WAY more efficiently

[sick arrow]

is it syncing with cursor or nah

[flat sedge]

it is sync with cursor

it works for unsync too ofc

[sick arrow]

ok time to learn it

[wooden torrent]

pausing

[inland gorge]

Finally a “tactical” NIKKE from Elysion

[bright dagger]

Especially when her savior Bunny Alice, isn't allowed in Elysion Tower. RIP

[frank siren]

is this your picture? do you know whos bursting in the middle test

[ruby fractal]

Never trust Snake judgment anymore

Recently his judgments are so bad

It started during collab

He doesnt even log in regularly

[ruby fractal]

Elysion tower will be 15 minutes

Per floor

[unkempt yarrow]

[uncut loom]

She is so weak

Dafuq can‘t never full stack on single boss

[torpid basin]

that's the neat part

[uncut loom]

With bunny. Alice can full stack

[nocturne marsh]

TLDR on her weaknesses? From what I've read she needs mob to work properly, so not good for SR bosses?

[uncut loom]

But still usless

[sick arrow]

Ideally in boss like Harvester she has to utilize maximum mob appear window (with pause) to stack gonna be lot harder to play than Quency. But if math checked out then thats her ground.

[wooden torrent]

fire mat H or nvidia with mobs soon dw

[nocturne marsh]

I don't get it, how to properly stack her knife?

it kept getting one stack

[sick arrow]

#1286256304087896124 message

How to stack

Someone pin this

[nocturne marsh]

I don't get it

[ember isle]

Pause meta is real

[bright dagger]

She has to shoot a new, yet to be debuffed by Phantom target

[uncut loom]

and that's not gonna works on single target boss

[bright dagger]

After hitting 3 different targets, all targets’ debuffs from Phantom blows up and resets, letting her treat them as new targets again

So basically… screwed if under 3 targets, especially only 1 target like a lone boss

Unless you hack it with Bunny Alice

[uncut loom]

my suggestion is don't pull her

[sick arrow]

Ye i mean her kit designed to trigger with rapture wave

[lament bridge]

SU should do something about pause spamming

[rough remnant]

well, I would put noir there for ammo luck

[nocturne marsh]

WTF, Shift Up didn't playtest before huh

[bright dagger]

As for how it even works with Bunny Alice, my guess is she forces Phantom’s Thief Dagger self buff to increment

[uncut loom]

for F2P i ll say skip it, I try so many diff compsition still can't work

[bright dagger]

So without needing 3 targets, it’ll still climb to the needed 3 stacks thx to Bunny Alice

[slim cipher]

She's performing better than Guillo vs mobs for me without pausing, but yeah, max damage will require constant pausing

[uncut loom]

#1286256304087896124 message still sucks so hard

[nocturne marsh]

another nikke that need manual gaming

[slim cipher]

As I suspected, her theoretical damage is very high assuming three targets on field, but practical application is either limited or too much work

[sick arrow]

And if you notice, she needs 3 rapture to fully stack, and coincidentally, harvester mostly spawn 3 mobs in 1 mini wave.

[nocturne marsh]

But her stacks got reset tho right?

[uncut loom]

and they will gone

[slim cipher]

You want her stacks to reset

[ember isle]

New campaign meta with pause technique?

[bright dagger]

Yes. It turns out that Dagger does reset automatically, or doesn’t matter if it didn’t. Kigitsune was able to strafe 3 raptures back and forth repeatedly detonating, apparently

[nocturne marsh]

so we deliberately need three mob to stay alive just to stacks her buff, that is stupid

[bright dagger]

Which means kit description let us down again lol

[wooden torrent]

now test her against 35% cp penalty

[slim cipher]

It's same as Crown

Same wording, same lack of detail, same process

[uncut loom]

skill 1 second line shoud change

or she is bad

[bright dagger]

Tbh it’s alright if it means clearing waves much faster, it’s like bringing a RL along. RL unless BS Scarlet isn’t exactly anti-boss material

They’re anti-wave instead. That’s what Phantom is meant to be

[slim cipher]

Yeah, she's essentially a spray and pray RL

[torpid basin]

so her playstyle is spreading

[slim cipher]

Her boss presence will be Overclock and Harvester only for those willing to deal with her mechanics

But Quency is just easier

I don't do low CP clearing, so can't attest to how useful or not useful she'll be there

More than 30% deficit just starts to annoy me

[bright dagger]

Tbh she’ll probably take a hit to grading because of needing manual control outside of Full Burst

[nocturne marsh]

Still enough time to wishlist her and wait for next water weak SR

[bright dagger]

You’d rather be controlling a good sniper like RH or Alice

[slim cipher]

Yup

[bright dagger]

Since you get pressured to burst asap early

Unless it’s already a stomp

[sick arrow]

Where u at in tower @slim cipher

[slim cipher]

Elysion or standard?

[sick arrow]

Standard

[slim cipher]

403. Blue CP atm

I'm lazy about tower

[sick arrow]

too far away from T609, i hope to see someone deploy Phantom into that

[slim cipher]

Yeah, I don't buy dust or push super hard, so my sync level doesn't reflect my spending

[bright dagger]

💀 Soon the only place I can do practical testing of anything in will be Anomaly Intercept Mock Battle…

[slim cipher]

Only 443 as a day 6 moderate whale

[sick arrow]

Oh u have sync to go to that floor, but will be too hassle on to next cook or sleep till anni

[slim cipher]

Yup. I may throw 10/10/10 onto Phantom this weekend for funzies since I'll probably reset her at anni anyway

But we'll see

Love the character, but too much effort to get actual returns

Viper seems like the better investment for water raids

[wooden torrent]

surely skill reset on anniv

[nocturne marsh]

how are you sure? Shift Up could just...

sell those reset at the shop

https://tenor.com/view/sad-emoji-sad-emoji-emoji-stare-disgust-gif-405076546600269050

[icy ore]

$99.9 for a reset, a rock, a doll box (you'l get r) and doll upgrades (you'll get blue)

[slim cipher]

Yup

[slim cipher]

Then I swipe

[wet fiber]

full auto so phantom is off-burst dps

[wet fiber]

looks very user friendly to plaly

[torpid basin]

peak idle gameplay

AFK Arena could never

[unkempt yarrow]

Has anyone tried her in pvp?

oh nvm

s1 has no use there

[dusky pendant]

Spam click meta is old, pause-per-frame is the new meta

[burnt wraith]

Quency is better, try her

Some lads in my branch are using quency

[unkempt yarrow]

ooh

I'll try tomorrow

out of attempts for today

[fading silo]

is this the magnificent nikke auto gameplay we are promised at?

[wooden torrent]

yea, the 1 hand gameplay

[dusky pendant]

no, that is the Elysion meta that SU promised to deliver.

You know, raids and all... I bet some KR players will fricking pause-shot with Phantom in the next raid

[ornate igloo]

the duality of content creators

[dusky pendant]

I don't event watch content creators

[ornate igloo]

youtube throws them on my face

[unkempt yarrow]

Zxous is probably cooking as we speak

[hard oyster]

SEFHI is good

He is always sensible

He caters to full casuals

[ornate igloo]

tbh I haven't said anything about right or wrong or better

it was just funny when I got both on my homepage

[icy ore]

Why everyone skipping over the first bipolar eyes char this game has?

She's not bad per se, just lower your standard for Elysion char

[fossil pulsar]

When I realized she can't get max stacks vs single target, the stocks dropped low for her.

[cold plume]

hey

HardMode is open now

[wet fiber]

who is the left one? bro's high

[turbid spoke]

Phantom in bossing Trony tier?

[burnt wraith]

At least phantom looks cool

[white gazelle]

the term you're looking for is "Heterochromia"

or, in your case, heterochromatic

[slim cipher]

Nah, she's better than Trony

But that doesn't mean much since we already have a large enough roster of units

[sudden locust]

You forgot Nero

[slim cipher]

Indeed

[thorn wyvern]

Can i do the pause trick on phone

[hard oyster]

If you have the fingers for it, I guess yeah

[burnt wraith]

Kenn Wu doing stage 9 kraken xD

[torpid basin]

just did some test

at 25% HR, she misses core a lot

[slim cipher]

AR problems

B Alice necessary for single target

[torpid basin]

or X Mica

[slim cipher]

Almost twice as slow

[torpid basin]

meh

once she hits 3 stacks they are gone

lol

yeah I love her playstyle

remind me of MF so much lol

spreading them bullet

[slim cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-mouse-gif-23991520

[thorn wyvern]

https://youtu.be/g_oj_9udEEk

[icy ore]

Nah, I did it on purpose

[icy ore]

Lmao, yeah, totally forgot about her

[torpid basin]

Phantom will need at least 1 Hit Rate line to core hit like Quency

[wooden torrent]

[wild pollen]

Phantom good?

[slim cipher]

If you like pausing a lot, she's good for mobbing

Likely won't see use for bossing

[wild pollen]

Pausing?

Well pulled on her banner but got scarlet instead

😭😭

[slim cipher]

See pinned video

[wild pollen]

What is that playstyle lmao

😭😭

I aint got time for that

thanks though

[sick arrow]

Kigitsune trying to save Phantom in vain

[slim cipher]

Haha. I wanted to believe

[shy garden]

ingrid outdone herself

she saw how much ppl sweat over manual alice, and thought she could do better

seems like she succeeded

[slim cipher]

I like her a lot, but pause tech is too much mald for my tastes

[sick arrow]

I can see the case for her to work but not finding a guy who is crazy enough to dump all the rocks on this

[vagrant pewter]

did you try looking in the mirror

[sick arrow]

[sly shard]

Nikke: peak of combat

[polar basin]

Does she get a stack if she hits an enemy with a front shield?

[sick arrow]

Highly yes, but then the trouble would be the ones behind, so thats still the worst case

[bright dagger]

Get a stack, maybe, apply a debuff, I think no unless Massive Object was special

Frima is supposed to apply def down debuff when she shoots fully charged shots. She wasn't able to do it through Massive Object's shield at start of battle

So... in theory, Phantom shooting three targets each having a shield, if the shield didn't break, she should be unable to apply calling card debuff to any of them

While that sounds like she should be able to rapidly stack thief's dagger over and over

the fully stacked thief's dagger causes existing calling card debuffs to detonate

so if the enemy doesn't even have that, there's no detonation anyway

Hmm, which could mean Phantom is a bit nerfed against shielded enemies because she can't leverage calling card detonations to help with taking down the shield

Was anyone able to test Phantom against Mother Whale or glass shield healers? I'm curious to know the interaction with hit count enemies

[slim cipher]

I can check this weekend if I can find a stage with Glasses in it

[fossil pulsar]

So Phantom is:

-Pause-scummy
-Manual-heavy
-Only super strong when doing those two things. Her auto is ass.
-Is ass vs single target regardless

Did I summarize that right?

[vast path]

got my suspicion last month, she really cant work without 3 target tf

[sand crest]

Caca unit

[bright dagger]

Pause scum is optional, you can still just strafe the enemies regardless. Pretty sure most of us don’t want to pause scum THAT hard unless something was on the line

So the damage breakdowns you see, unless they say they pause scummed, weren’t

To me it seems like Phantom actually does good damage against waves

But I wonder how much of it is practical because I find it hard to wrap my head around shooting 3 targets = eliminating biggest threats as fast as possible, like a cover-piercing sniping Rapture getting ready to own our ass

[fossil pulsar]

I'd have to look at her myself to see how "maldy" it is. She clearly has a use, but just wondering if it's worth it overall.

If it comes down to her just being good at killing waves, we have tons of units for that already.

[rough remnant]

well, later hard stage elemental matter

[shy garden]

would she be better than quency at mobs though

[rough remnant]

i imagine if Phantom good against Launcher (silencer)

but the problem is if she need against Bronchus (fart)

oh, Sentry (chain) is not good against her

At least Phanton could help you cleaning annoying servant mobs like Bullwhip (seahorse), Dagger (black ball), Glitter and Remnant (suiciders) and for elite, Barbell

[sick arrow]

You dont have to pause scum phantom

Just pause the cope

[shy garden]

yknow what

maybe I misjudged phantom

got me easily past the wall I was stuck at for elysion tower

4/4/1

before you ask, quiry is for burst gen

[hard oyster]

forgot to add easy skip

[flat sedge]

Elysion team with
DD Mast Mpriv Guillo Priv is already pretty good

the only weakness is low burst gen and no healing

Phantom only helps with the no healing part

you not gonna use PT burst anyways
Mpriv and Priv burst is superior

[vestal aurora]

I'm tempted to use one of my spare purple AR dolls on her. Don't really have the resources to invest in Ely tower otherwise, and they're like 50± floors behind everyone else. Gotta do something 😔

[shy garden]

problem is the invest needed

phantom at min invest (no OL, max lvl 4 skills) is easily better than all the other elysion options

and it's not even close

doesn't need mast either, so I can run marci for sustain

and yeah my phantom burst might as well do nothing if there's more than 3 mobs on screen

her autos do quite well though

works a lot better than a no OL guillo

[shy garden]

prob not worth unless high invest, she ain't hitting core that much

I'm not even giving her an R doll

[vestal aurora]

I went with R. Other than DKW, my Elysion team has next to zero investment past 4/4/4. Is it best to use her off-burst? I'd love to actually make some progress on Ely tower

[shy garden]

if you got someone who actually has a useful burst, yeah don't burst with phantom

it's gonna tickle unless it's only 1 enemy left

[vestal aurora]

Ah, ok. So DKW, a partial treasure Diesel, Mpriv, Priv, and Phantom off burst.

[shy garden]

that works

[vestal aurora]

🫡

[flat sedge]

easily not sure about that

[shy garden]

well maybe guillo might be close

but eh

all I know is that a stage I was stuck on for weeks got easily cleared by phantom today

mobs simply melted

[sick arrow]

So you hit a stage that could have been one of those good stages to use her on

If she can consistently give that performance for few weeks then its a W for u then

[shy garden]

I got her first 10 pull, so just getting past that wall is enough for me

it was a zone defense thingy that needed consistent dmg output without needing to burst, so she helped alot

guillo wasn't remotely close

[sick arrow]

[bright dagger]

Sounding like 1 copy Phantom with at most 4/4/4 skills is enough to help with Elysion Tower, no need to do more than that because you still have to defeat bosses and Phantom should be terrible at that

Don’t even need OLs - and this is only because alternative 3rd B3 that can clear waves are all lousy in Elysion Tower

Most just bring Guillotine for the MG OPness, and she’s decent

But Guillotine is no wave destroyer

[turbid spoke]

Elysion tower?

Just wait blue cp

[wooden torrent]

or don't do it at all

unless you're really desperate for gems

[sacred prawn]

just wait for the inevitable eunwha alt and emma item

[rustic flint]

gimme more infinity rail treasures

[slim cipher]

My Elysion tower runs

Phantom still 7/7/7 with +0 OLs vs 10/10/10 M Priv (3 OLs, +2/+0/+0, T9M boots) and 4/4/1 Guillo (4 OLs, +5/+3/+3/+0)

[white gazelle]

which floors are these?

[slim cipher]

Uhhh, 300 something; all mob stages

I'm blue CP

I stopped doing manu towers for so long that I'm not sure I can actually catch up to my CP

Once I'm done with my alt, I'll switch back and verify, but I think it was 312, 313, and 314

[slim cipher]

Yeah, Nihilister's a pain

I used S Neon

When my alt gets there, I hope it'll have Phantom

but current alt lacks the resources to pull for Phantom on banner

May try the three multis it can afford, but want to see next unit's kit first

[fossil pulsar]

After working with her some, Phantom's mobbing skills are kind of crazy if you're down to look silly while manualing her. Don't even need to burst for her damage to be high.

[slim cipher]

Yup

[bright dagger]

This looks good. Phantom overwhelmingly better than Privaty in damage

Privaty’s always had a strange spot in Elysion Tower for non-last-bullet team comp

Now I can replace Privaty.. if I can pull Phantom

I have to wait for her to join wishlist. RIP

Phantom also has a screen wipe

Yeah. And no stun as well

Still, it should still work if blue cp

[worldly wasp]

man all that talk just for it to work only on elysion and harvestor, fuck that !

[thorn wyvern]

Cant you just manual both using pause trick

[dusky pendant]

SU one again asking players to have more than two hands

[bright dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/hands-loop-many-freaky-gif-7736587

[dusky pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/ilulu-kobayashi-dragon-maid-tiny-hands-gif-22912649

I do you worst.

[uneven flare]

Advertised as can play with one hand

[torpid basin]

with peak gameplay, Phantom is now top 3 DPS, 30% higher DPS than SBS with Alice

just need you to

switch between 3 targets

every

single

bullet

[wet fiber]

pause every frame

[slim cipher]

Just assuming anyone's actually crazy enough to 12 line her, what would the third line be? Max Ammo or Ammo/HR split

[terse acorn]

don't fucking give the top SR players idea

[torpid basin]

nah