#[Rouge] New Unit Megathread

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wanton flame
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Yup

lime reef
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Fire land eater?

wanton flame
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Indeed!

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To feature Phantom and Quency alt

lime reef
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Ah right

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No mercy after collab and before anni

mortal plank
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Damn don't have lot resource

wanton flame
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so we'll probably have Doro with Crown, DKW with Tiga, Rouge/Blanc, Liter in T4, and SG Comp

undone crown
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man I should invest more in sg

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they do work in every raid

wanton flame
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B Soda made them a core T5 more reliable than SW comp

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and with bunnies, higher than T5

undone crown
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I don't think bunnies will stay in sg

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rouge will break them up

wanton flame
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Mhm

undone crown
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I mistyped but thats a phantom question

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so I killed it

lime reef
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My sg comp is still all 1/1/1. so sad

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Maybe I should get tove to 9/1/1 just so she’s useable

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Is noir going solo in sg comp now that rouge took blanc?

undone crown
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my tove is build,, but my dps's on the othe hand deadge

undone crown
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leona mpriv ceeling is higher

lime reef
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Is noir dead?

undone crown
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and balice is the healer and to stack up tove

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she might fit in some raids

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she still reloads and gives bunch of ammo

wanton flame
undone crown
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team 4 liter team

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might use noir

drifting edge
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noir is still the strongest b3 of 777

undone crown
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true

lime reef
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lol

indigo cave
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is it only shield coin portion of rouge burst that's a max hp boost?

drifting edge
indigo cave
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so these two are the ones that are max hp?

drifting edge
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yes

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first pic says continously which is why it only heals once

wanton flame
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Hopefully they fix TLs quickly so people are less confused sadsimp

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but considering they keep letting this happen akkoShrug

drifting edge
wanton flame
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Wait seriously?

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I usually play in JP, so I had no idea

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Yikes

glacial warren
drifting edge
wanton flame
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I knew about the error, just not that it hadn't been fixed

glacial warren
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Rouge heals:
Most of her Max HP buffs have the “without restoring HP” clause.

  • She needs to land 30 fully charged shots to gain “Shield Coin”
    • This will take ~40 seconds without reloading.
    • She heals team when she bursts while having “Shield Coin”.
      • Heals for 20.01% of Rouge’s base Max HP at Burst level 10.
    • She needs 5 bursts and having “Shield Coin” to gain “Double Coin”.
      • This will take around 1 minute and 5 seconds if bursting fast.
      • Heals for 15.08% of Rouge’s base Max HP at S2 level 10.
      • This happens only once in the battle.
upper bolt
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120 - too many pulls for madam rouge

glacial warren
marsh shore
glacial warren
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What’s Frima heal for again?

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30.26%

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And doesn’t use her own base max hp

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But Frima has no CDR Doro

regal wing
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what cube does rouge use?

jagged wind
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no ol i think wingman

with OL hm resilence?

proud swallow
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sounds about right

regal wing
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too many characters uses resilence

final mesa
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yeah level it to 15 ASAP

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slots are worth

jagged wind
fervent kettle
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lv15 resi is 12 slots

jagged wind
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lv15 could put 12 nikkes

regal wing
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mannnn looks like i have to save Union coins

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like who even has reilience cube at 11 already?

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mine is at 9 currently

daring elk
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Bro people have enough chips to lvl 15 it trust me

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A lot of people I know have at least 60k chips

wanton flame
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I'll have it at 11 in two days

marsh shore
wanton flame
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Limited by shop stock kek

regal wing
marsh shore
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I burnt it in bastion and they released more slot

wanton flame
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I have Bastion and Adjutant at 9

final mesa
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I didn't buy early just incase but I can lvl 11 on reset Doro

regal wing
wanton flame
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Everything else is like 6 or 7 delugiggle

regal wing
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I used a lot for Bastion as it seems to be just as important as resilience

wanton flame
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A lot depends on how long one has played and their results in UR, too

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Newer players at a pretty heavy disadvantage

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No matter how much you spend, you can't catch up on union chips yabai

marsh shore
marsh shore
errant charm
regal wing
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should i push for 11 resilience or go both cubes to 10?

fickle bobcat
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Imagine having mats to lvl 15 cubes

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maybe day 1 players

errant charm
fickle bobcat
undone crown
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I have resi at 9 and bastion at 8 with 9k chips

fickle bobcat
jagged wind
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i need tempering for pvp purpose

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and for crown

fickle bobcat
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Ur rewards are kek

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ur itself is kek

undone crown
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ur is fun imo

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but its too short

fickle bobcat
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Could be better

regal wing
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what we need is more ways to earn UR coins

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because once a month not cutting it

final mesa
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could have gotten cubes with co-op if they didn't change that Doro

magic locust
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Day 2 player with 0 chip. Rip I should have saved

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Resi and Bastion both 10 tho

regal wing
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nah i dont regret using UR coins on other cubes due to PVP

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CP boost using cubes more important

magic locust
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Yeah, it’s what I did too

regal wing
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just frustrated with the scarcity of it

magic locust
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I really need resi and bastion slots thro

regal wing
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yep, im pretty much done lving my pvp cubes to 7

magic locust
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Meta teams going mono elements essentially means we need to raise MORE units

regal wing
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so now im saving to do only resilence and bastion

magic locust
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Yeeep

marsh shore
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Only time it matters is pvp

magic locust
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So much more work

regal wing
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too much of a hassle lol

marsh shore
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I'm sure the number of DPS that use resilience during raid is more than 6

wanton flame
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Yeah

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I have people in my SP Arena who know to hit me during Solo Raid yabai

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It's really frustrating kek

marsh shore
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In daily

wanton flame
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SP Arena thonk

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Not Rookie

marsh shore
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Yup I'm talking about sp arena

wanton flame
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I don't run SP Arena unless someone knocks me down

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And that doesn't change the frustration of getting knocked down and having to switch all my cubes back on every day

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Never have to worry about it aside from SR sadsimp

regal wing
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in the meanwhile, since rouge isnt pvp meta nor DPS, giving her a spare onslaught should be fine for now

little raft
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just give her wingman and you are done

regal wing
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guess ill OL her for ammo

fickle bobcat
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In my branch top 1 to 8 are almost the same synchro and investment

wanton flame
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NA

autumn hazel
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If unlimited hood works does that mean Isabel is cool now?

magic locust
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If only Isabel could be decent. She’s core 4 for me and I hate it.

indigo cave
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isabel treasure trust 3HC_pray

regal wing
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Isabel, the SR pilgrim disguised as a SSR heh

rotund brook
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isabel alt when

gray badger
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Honestly, I feel like the only thing Isabel needs to be viable is to make her burst cooldown only 20 seconds

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In my opinion, all of the "Full Burst reduced by 5 seconds" B3 Nikke should have 20 cooldowns to compensate

oblique sinew
echo geyser
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@glacial warren thanks for the pings pepeOK

spice karma
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guys do i lvl 11 bastion or resilience cube first i can only do one

final mesa
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then bastion

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then aim for level 15 for resilience

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and bastion right after

spice karma
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ok bet

little raft
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Is there another tier of cube perk or is this mostly to increase slot size for 11 and above?

rustic estuary
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Elem + slot

final mesa
glacial warren
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Ele dmg all the way to lvl 15 cube?

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What's the ele dmg stop at?

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Nvm

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I doubt anyone knows the answer, nobody has 15 right now and nobody can sneak peek what the lvl 15 cube effects are

drifting edge
glacial warren
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Oh? There was someone who pre-bought the cube mats leading up to the patch? I forgot that this could be done

final mesa
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you can thank aku for that Doro

echo geyser
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yo that shit is datamine 😭

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keep it in eden pls thank

drifting edge
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oh mb

uneven leaf
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Rip.

The most hilarious answer would've been if it counted when the buff wore off, with Crown S2 triggering whenever her HP % goes up

Thanks for testing and compiling

rustic estuary
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Is rouge considered meta?

velvet folio
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I think she technically is but not worth pulling. Anni soon

slate berry
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@timid shard is there enough time in Overclock ratio 50 (read 30% less time) for Rouge to scale hard enough to outheal the core anomaly 2?

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because I was thinking of a AR/SR setup that would be allowed to use any defender of you choice
Rouge/Blanc/RH/SW/x

timid shard
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AR seems easy

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but not sure about the stages tho

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because of the time reductionb

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stages end < 1 min
would u be able to get her Bursts up to where it heals enough

slate berry
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yeah I think Noise is the play

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especially if you can stack the charge speed buff with her charge speed ol lines

slate berry
timid shard
slate berry
marsh shore
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But we'll see

marsh shore
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Liter dkw

fair slate
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In 3 minutes fight i think she can get 1 more burst

fickle bobcat
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Yeah if you use Rh or alice in the comp dwife is better

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Or even both xD

steel prairie
wanton flame
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so unless you're a hardcore raider or are lacking CDR units, skipping is an option

steel prairie
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it can't be said enough how good she is for raids, with liter this team against lvl 7 rebuild spook died after 1.5min but rouge lets me survive

(if maris gear pieces were leveled she would have survived as well)

proud swallow
cursive pine
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so the localization specified "without restoring hp" for no reason?

proud swallow
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yeah

fickle bobcat
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Exactly and mods in maincord don't know how to play this game

proud swallow
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"mimimi her skill description is accurate"

fickle bobcat
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Almost 2 years

stray condor
warm ginkgo
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the only "without restoring HP" is the 1st skill?? BlancStare

fickle bobcat
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I personally don't care what community is official or not

proud swallow
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this community is the official server for me peepoSit maincord is just there for CD redemption

fickle bobcat
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I'm happy using raid planning and megathreads chats

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Maybe if one day paradox decides to burn lolicons in Eden this could be better

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Anyway

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Rouge is good

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Pull or leave top 50 UR

daring elk
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@echo geyser I jumped in ship kekw

echo geyser
daring elk
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Pump sanis damage to max

echo geyser
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I think scar gave me better result personally

daring elk
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My midlet is as gimped as my rei a. So better just pump sanis damage

echo geyser
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But overall the DPS pump was definitely higher kek

Teambuilding getting easier day by day

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I need to pull quency at least to fill in for water teams tbh

daring elk
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Quency is the better choice from her and phantom

echo geyser
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Might skip phantom

daring elk
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In terms of preliminary calculations

echo geyser
daring elk
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But you need the boss to have core

daring elk
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But her hit rate buff will most likely make her consistently hit core

echo geyser
daring elk
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If it’s not enough pair her with noir mod

echo geyser
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Is it because she can't stack her shit?

daring elk
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Yea

echo geyser
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Dang

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So prelim is pull quency, skip phantom

I can live with that

daring elk
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The one thing you’d most likely need on Quency tho is max ammo

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I actually haven’t checked her reload speed but ideally you shouldn’t reload too much with her unless you have 100% reload rate

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Yes she has reload on burst but it’s only 10 sec

echo geyser
daring elk
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S2 third stack is 0.5 sec

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You need to shoot to not blow it

echo geyser
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I think it's not high priority

daring elk
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Also it’s chained so you shouldn’t lose your first and second stack

echo geyser
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But it's ok priority

daring elk
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But will see

echo geyser
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For quency

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KosMiu explained it

fair slate
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Where my skill reset shift up

echo geyser
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But well
A union safe from the competitive exposure society

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Still gets top50

daring elk
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Btw snake if you noticed my pic I put rouge in wrong pos but that’s because I was doing 2 bosses in a row so I didn’t have time to swap properly kekw

daring elk
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We both playing nikke how it should be done

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Throw random shit and watch rh ass

echo geyser
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I forgot to tell union about it too so everyone who used her probably used her p1

daring elk
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Or sanis ass

echo geyser
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Except maybe franky

daring elk
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Cultured men know their priorities

steel prairie
fair slate
proud swallow
echo geyser
proud swallow
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lemme see what these guys did

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3 uses of Rouge

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smh asami

undone crown
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asami trolled wtf

daring elk
proven bridge
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obviously the carry is blanc

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what's the big deal ?

echo geyser
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So there's no buff

wanton flame
proven bridge
wanton flame
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I mean, at that sync level, it doesn't really matter much kek

fickle bobcat
jovial pawn
fickle bobcat
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218k snow at synchro 400

marsh shore
marsh shore
undone crown
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ono

rustic estuary
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Rouge reminds me of pudding

daring elk
fickle bobcat
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Imagine if that pic is actually harvester anomaly

daring elk
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I thought I’m an otp

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This guy has 218k cp Snow White at synchro 400

fickle bobcat
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Yeah, is at least 4 black lines

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Or full blue

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Or full black

jovial pawn
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from a JP dude on twitter

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i can find the link for ya is sped up

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嫁Dとルージュの2人でバースト短縮しまくればバースト3が1人でも回るんじゃね?って言われたから確かめてきた

※嫁Dとルージュはオバロチャー速無し、キューブはチャー速9、2人とも短縮はMAX

バースト3が毎回数秒待たないとダメだった
チャー速盛って2人の回転上げれば行ける…?
誰か任せた(っ'ヮ')╮
#NIKKE

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daring elk
jovial pawn
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yeaaaaaaaa

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6 black lines

daring elk
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DUDE WTF

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It’s ele and atk

jovial pawn
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oh wait

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ON 3 DIFFERENT DPS ???

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cause is Helmets

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bruh

daring elk
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Oh

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Nah it’s the same helmet

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He’s rerolling something

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Probably crit damage

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But yeah regardless this guy is defo big ele+ atk

jovial pawn
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man even me trying to get propper 3 lines

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is already difficult

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but Anomaly does help with the proces quite a bit

daring elk
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I mean if he’s still rerolling with those lines he’s most likely going full OTP Snow White

jovial pawn
dense escarp
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Alright, I at first didn't really wanna pull her (because f2p issues, I have Liter and can't say I'm malding in Solo Raid), but now that she's got healing on burst and S2, is she worth it?

daring elk
trim gorge
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nope

dense escarp
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(I know it says in the pins that she is, but I wasn't convinced by that alone, that's my point)

trim gorge
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you should hoard till you can't no more

daring elk
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Naga is detrimental for me

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Since I can’t tap low hp core for overkill dmg like SW

steel prairie
daring elk
# daring elk

This is not max possible dmg for me fyi. Rouge s2 is at lvl 4 and shelm s2 is at lvl 5

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Also Dkw s1 and burst are lvl 8 each

jovial pawn
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honestly is there a guide on how to reroll and stuff properly i feel like i may not be doing it efficiently

steel prairie
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secretForgottenBear

jovial pawn
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damn

steel prairie
jovial pawn
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soooo what if i got really good first and 3rd line. lol

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this is reaching off topic so will be the last of my question

steel prairie
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then keep it but rerolling the first line last is the easiest since that one is guranteed

stuck maple
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has anyone tried rouge mast 2b meme?

serene shuttle
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no you cant, needs to be recovery not max hp

marsh shore
fervent kettle
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what if it’s a blue line

glacial warren
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Pretty sure B1 CDR rankings are:
Liter > D Wife > Rouge > Dorothy > Volume.

Actual preferred B1s differ according to comps (Dorothy with Privaty, no Liter with Summer Anis, etc) and the enemy (Fire boss? +Doro points!).

steel prairie
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exia with treasure as well but the way things are going you would actually play her with rouge

wanton flame
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Well Exia with treasure still doesn't have CDR, so yeah, Rogue pair confirmed

broken oxide
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Should I pull? F2p with no liter, d wife, doro. Main squad is crown/volume/rh/naga/modernia

undone crown
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exia blanc sanis rouge ein would go wild

wanton flame
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Would most likely be Crown though

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Rather than Blanc

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Although electric comp did get used last raid as a T4/T5 deluthonk

wanton flame
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Volume being the only CDR makes things rough

undone crown
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crown can be useful elsewhere

wanton flame
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and Rogue won't be getting added to wishlist until after next event since we have the next units in the Nikkepedia already

undone crown
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I'm thinking this as off element

wanton flame
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Gotcha

broken oxide
wanton flame
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Ah yeah, I'd do at least 3 multis if I were in that position

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My minnow alt has gotten a shocking amount of banner units that way

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way more than my whale main has delucry

steel prairie
wanton flame
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With a non-pierce team? thonk

undone crown
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why mari

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you might even say rosca

steel prairie
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both work

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in a raid setting crown will be locked to a different team so getting to use those 2 will be really good

undone crown
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mari probably will be locked too

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dkw+mari probably will be a duo

marsh shore
autumn hazel
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12 black lines only never settle :)

marsh shore
broken oxide
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Rouge came home in the 2nd multi @wanton flame @marsh shore

wanton flame
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Enjoy your new superior CDR unit delugiggle

broken oxide
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was able to immediately clear 3 hard mode stages with minimal investment

glacial warren
broken oxide
marsh shore
broken oxide
lime reef
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So rouge is a b1 cdr + healer now?

final mesa
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eng translation team failing as always

glacial warren
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So if you were hoping to rely on the healing 10 seconds into combat, you're screwed

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But I think this is extremely nice for many stages anyway

indigo cave
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is the healing even impactful

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what's the closest comparison

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does the 20% max hp increase translate roughly to 20% heal once it expires

lime reef
glacial warren
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You would need to find the numerical amount Rouge heals for, then find the percentage using the ally's max HP

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As easy as fighting with heal numbers on and grabbing that number once the heal kicks in, then pausing and checking the max HP of that ally (actually, perhaps you want to grab the max HP at battle start, because it'll be skewed from Rouge's max HP buff wahahaha )

glacial warren
glacial warren
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There are already posts claiming that Rouge enabled them to win because characters stayed alive shrug

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Rouge does give damage taken reduction to 3 out of 5 allies

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For a fight where you slowly die off toward the end, especially if Bronchus keeps dropping in, it's plausibly effective

glacial warren
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The advantage of being able to execute 2nd burst cycle really quickly is not small

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Add in the other parts of Rouge's kit, and she's actually good

dreamy oracle
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And she could even be higher with more HP Scaling DPS if Shift Up doesn't forget about them BlancStare

drifting edge
echo geyser
marsh shore
spice harness
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so skill rec is 10/7/4?

echo geyser
spice harness
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maybe I'll try her in raid with 7/4/4 first and then consider upgrading

white rampart
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You dont need that much healing value from Rouge when Blanc does most the job

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And the atk dmg value scale is so tiny

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I would recommend 10/4/4

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S1 has CDR so it's must be 10

proven bridge
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10 4 4 seems like a good stopping point tbh

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unless you use 2b i dont think it worth upgrading any further

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s2 and b

echo geyser
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But well

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DWife S2 is CDR as well

trim gorge
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depend on the team too

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on a slow ass team, you can even go with 7/4/4

white rampart
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Prob you won't use Rouge Blanc in slow ass team

trim gorge
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damn didn't know we can use 2 MG elsewhere

somber mountain
undone crown
somber mountain
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Noooooo i thought big numbers = official

sharp wedge
hollow cape
trim gorge
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depend

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same as DKW

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you need max for very fast burst gen

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and even then, sometimes 0.5 ~ 0.7s still persists

true stump
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when we get another meta SG, we can do something like below
Rouge, Tove, B2(any), SG B3x2(excluding SodaCumDrip)

undone crown
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you probably want rouge+noir

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and for that we need tove but b2

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without attack speed sg really sucks ass

true stump
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imo Noir isn't good with rouge
(rouge burst + Noir S1 = Doro)
my comp has Tove, so AS should be fine

steel prairie
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lol the game knows what I want

lime reef
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I don’t like rouge’s positioning gimmick tho because I’m so used to b1 and b2 being in p1 and p2 spots with my b3 positioned in burst order. Now I need to make sure the strongest b3s are next to rouge who is in p2/p4, so it feels very strange

white rampart
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Rouge and Blanc are high tier supporters

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U have to use them with high tier DPS

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Which are RH / Alice ....

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Somehow u will be able to get 1 SR in there

lime reef
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I wanted to run the 3 fire dps who benefit each other lol

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And mod won’t burst in that comp

white rampart
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That's just the comp for AI Indi and not the best comp

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Just bring Liter Crown in if u have them

lime reef
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I was running these teams to cover different bosses. My union doesn’t clear on day 1 so it didn’t need to be super optimal

wanton flame
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S Rosanna/Blanc is actually a better pick for NGE than Crown since it's about equal damage from my testing (10/10/10 Crown vs 4/7/7 S Ros)

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Meanwhile Crown benefits other DPS units much more

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Too many attack damage buffs in the same team between Crown, Asuka, and Rei

lime reef
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Also, my srosanna is 1/1/1 unbuilt

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As is my ssakura lol

wanton flame
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My reply was meant for Shinonono suggesting Crown thonk

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I agree with the Blanc choice. delugiggle

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But I would've used Liter there deluthonk

lime reef
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Liter blanc noir instead of rouge blanc?

wanton flame
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Mhm

lime reef
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But then you can’t run rei asuka mod

wanton flame
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Oh wait, derp KEKL

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I was just thinking of Blanc and S Ros both having the same debuff

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Yeah, Rogue is the only way to make that work cuz you'd otherwise need Noir

lime reef
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Yeah

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I cooked up these teams just now. Maybe phantom/quency alt can replace Emilia for water team

wanton flame
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I didn't actually use Tiga this past UR KEKL

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Or bunnies, thinking about it

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Ah, I used Tiga on alt deluthonk

lime reef
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Bunnies are officially split now haha

wanton flame
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Main account used SG Comp, Liter/S Ros, and DKW/Crown

lime reef
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My sg comp is all 1/1/1 no OL

wanton flame
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Yeah, it's a huge initial investment

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Makes for a nice alternative vs Iron-weak bosses to conserve RH

lime reef
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Yeah. I can’t swing so much stuff to complete it

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And now phantom and quency alt may neeed building too lol

wanton flame
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Yuuup

lime reef
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Maybe these 5 teams (or a remixing of them) will be good enough anyway

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And I still need to build sros and ssak

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Sg comp is gonna be dead until next year some time

white rampart
wanton flame
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UR?

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There's no AI Stormbringer yabai

fickle bobcat
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At least AI bosses are just tanky bosses

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Imagine shits like mother whale or SB wind

fickle bobcat
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Ahahaha that emote

wanton flame
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Okay, that makes sense then delugiggle

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Using S Ros would just result in death kek

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Need those shields

rapid mulch
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ok how good is she worth getting for tower atleast?

steel prairie
#

yes

#

much better the volume

rustic estuary
#

Shes good but she is too thin i think her and blancs fat got liposuctioned out and into noirs ass

jagged wind
#

indi just pierce laser in phase 2

#

the problem is, Asuka will mess the QTE

fickle bobcat
#

sb wind is fire weak

#

the same as current UR

#

problem is no core

#

no permanent core

jagged wind
fickle bobcat
#

yeah seems possible

vestal maple
#

do we need the max CD?

steel prairie
#

7 is good enough, 10 is great

slate berry
#

Is my rouge bricked I I still don't have the max ammo?

#

Rn she has 40% ele and 8.96% charge speed to compensate

final mesa
#

otherwise keep trying

slate berry
final mesa
#

then you gotta spend rocks

slate berry
#

I'll try and keep a line 3 t11 charge damage then

final mesa
#

not worth

#

charge damage is doodoo

slate berry
#

so just yolo reroll and take the cp hit?

final mesa
#

yes

#

just do it on a part that has the least amount of OL lines

daring elk
#

This is my anomaly MC damage with rouge s1 and lvl 7

#

This is with lvl 8

#

Tiny bit of Cdr each increase add up to one extra full burst rotation so the damage difference is gigantic even at small lvl increase

marsh shore
modern ledge
#

Are there advise answers posted for Rouge anywhere?

echo geyser
echo geyser
rustic estuary
#

What overload stats do i need for her?

echo geyser
#

That's it

rustic estuary
#

I want to make her powerful

stray condor
#

Charge speed

echo geyser
#

She's not a dps

#

Don't focus on rerolling her

marsh cedar
#

can I just use a lvl 7 wingman cube instead

uneven leaf
#

Does charge speed OLs make a noticeable difference to her S1 burst cooldown frequency? I assume not since pin just says to get a max ammo line

late shore
#

for dkw, yes

#

so for rouge, I assume the same

#

not in normal circumstances, but I saw some people had dkw cdr hiccups on massive object solo raid because of the qte walls

#

I never experienced that and I have cs and ammo lines on her

wanton flame
#

Longterm probably worthwhile

#

But not enough atm to warrant consuming rocks that may need to go into next two units

daring elk
#

It will be noticeable if you run double Cdr into single b3

#

Eg Dkw rouge into rh

#

Then you need those 8 shots fired asap to cut the need for third Cdr unit for consistent bursting

steel prairie
daring elk
steel prairie
#

ok NOTED

#

I got her at 7 5 5 for now with 1 max ammo, need to finish my ein first (5 8 8) before the next srForgottenBear

serene shuttle
#

i have I believe 1 ammo and 1 cs min on my dkw and I never have hiccups cause of it

#

its not needed but it def helps with the qte down times

#

if a boss doesnt have big ones you wouldn’t notice it tho

stray condor
viral barn
#

The rouge dwife combo to recycle 1 b3 not happening, even at normal burst gen they cant get cdr down fast enough

proven bridge
#

OL on Rouge is a waste tbh

#

if you really want, just 1 line of ammo is ok

stray condor
#

My stupid brain thinking that 7s + 7s cdr, 8s burst duration and 8s to fill burst would be enough

late shore
#

people keep forgetting to take into account the 10s fb rotation that the other b3 give

proud swallow
#

@echo geyser fix her image now

#

we have updated post

stray condor
#

A FUCKING WEEK AFTER SHE GOT RELEASED

proud swallow
#

shiftup is officially faster than sjay

stray condor
#

Damn

fickle bobcat
proud swallow
#

time to move to prydwen

marsh shore
#

Nikke GG washed

trim gorge
#

🐐

#

that's why we are stinky goat

#

we never wash

proud swallow
#

stinky gatrix

willow swan
#

came here to post that my rouge is healing crown and procing her Skill 2, is this a change they recently made or a bug?

fickle bobcat
#

Wait what

#

Lol

willow swan
#

i just pulled crown and testing rouge with crown to see if she could heal and if i should replace liter with her

fervent kettle
#

show team as well. i think asuka bug hmmge

willow swan
#

this is my full team

fickle bobcat
#

Isn't asuka's bug?

willow swan
#

so you guys reckon asuka is spreading heals to the team?

fervent kettle
#

There was an asuka bug? DoroWutDahel

fickle bobcat
#

Idk

#

XD

willow swan
#

and i just pulled crown so i have no idea how she works properly yet XD

#

nikke did post some changes to rouge's kit, i feel it's fucked her kit up

#

and now shes healing crown

fickle bobcat
#

Can anyone test? I'm busy rn

willow swan
#

yeah someone else needs to test cause if its just me. my games bugging out lmao

wanton flame
#

There are no actual changes to Rouge's kit

#

It's just translations

#

Take out Asuka and try

#

Logging in to test as well just in case

willow swan
#

alright ill try without asuka

fickle bobcat
#

So Asuka's probably bugged?

wanton flame
#

It's possible

willow swan
#

i'll put D, random burst 3 lmao

#

i'm still getting healed somewhere

#

it's not asuka

fickle bobcat
willow swan
#

it has to be from Rouge

#

they've done something to her skills

fickle bobcat
#

crown can activate the buff herself

wanton flame
willow swan
#

wait so its crown healing herself?

wanton flame
#

Potentially

#

Watch her stacks

fickle bobcat
wanton flame
#

She's slow, but yeah, every time she taunts and turns invincible, she heals herself

willow swan
#

OMG IT IS CROWN HERSELF

#

YOUR RIGHT

#

yeah she has a self heal on taunt

wanton flame
willow swan
#

alright false alarm, sorry guys ahahah

fickle bobcat
willow swan
#

just picked up crown so never knew she could taunt and heal ahaha

#

only that she buffs like crazy

#

from guides

wanton flame
#

Healers are good for giving her stacks faster

#

and keeping her S2 buff up

#

But yeah, the taunt/heal is how a lot of times Crown comp just goes without a healer

fickle bobcat
#

Imagine rouge activating crown S2 xD

wanton flame
fickle bobcat
#

Instant sss

willow swan
#

yeah i was tripping cause i knew you needed some type of heal to proc her shit

stray condor
fickle bobcat
#

no

#

Rouge max hp doesn't touch crown s2

#

For crown S2 needs "recovery effect"

#

another kind of heal

stray condor
#

Her burst when in shield status

#

That's not proc it?

willow swan
#

i guess im forced to invest in Naga and find her T9M gear 🥲

viral barn
#

Damn 3700 yaps for just being tetra b1 tower unit

fickle bobcat
#

Raid*

willow swan
#

yeah i use her for raids, i don't have many Cooldown units

late shore
#

i just tested, doesn't work

#

rouge+crown interaction

#

at least her burst

#

yep, rouge's s1 doesn't either

uneven leaf
#

If SU really wanted to troll us Rouge would trigger Crown S2 only when her buff disappears and Crown is not at full health - as that would cause Crown to e.g. go from 57% to 76% HP

fickle bobcat
#

Rouge triggering crown S2 means instant SSS for Rouge

#

but is not like that

late shore
#

i don't get it, is she supposed to heal or just add max hp???

#

confused at the update notes

fickle bobcat
#

nothing changed

#

bad English like always

late shore
trim gorge
#

trigger Crown S2 only 2 times

#

and must happen after 1 min shooting

fickle bobcat
lime reef
#

Good enough for rouge? S2 doesn’t seem to scale all that well

rustic estuary
#

I would 10/10/10 her

proud swallow
lime reef
#

I’m a hybrid between min and rec I guess

#

I’m stretched a little thin on skill books

#

I’d like to start saving for phantom/quency alt

lime reef
#

Tetra tower…rouge blanc Alice xlud flex

#

Alice should be very fast burst gen

wanton flame
#

I plan for 10/7/4 but yeah, water units take priority

#

All water DPS units are slow burst gen anyway KEKL

viral barn
#

7/1/1 even for tower wym the next 3 nikkes are all 10/10/10

wanton flame
#

I don't even use Alice for tower kekYep

light axle
#

I just want rouge so I can use S.Anis and Xlud as flex man

#

maybe, just maybe, tetra will finally catch up to missilis and pilgrim

wanton flame
#

I use Exia + S Anis for my tower, yeah

#

Exia/S Ros/S Anis/SSakura/X Lud I think? Xeniathink

light axle
#

Rouge Blanc Alice S.Anis Xlud would be my team

lime reef
#

Of course with rouge in a weird position so my burst button muscle memory is completely whack

wanton flame
#

Hm?

#

With that team, Alice/Rouge/S Anis/X Lud/Blanc would have same button combo, no?

lime reef
#

Rouge needs to be in position 2/4 with the strongest b3 on either side. It feels weird

#

My Alice is usually the second listed and xlud first

#

I used to run volume blanc xlud Alice noir, in that order

wanton flame
#

Oh, then X Lud/Rouge/Alice/Blanc/S Anis

lime reef
#

Hmm. I suppose that would work. Yeah

#

Still messes up my memory for selecting active nikke

#

I like controlling xlud more than Alice on mobile as well

#

Snipers are a huge pain on mobile

wanton flame
#

True

lime reef
#

But for fast charge, I do manual Alice sometimes

wanton flame
#

I don't push tower hard, so most of the time I full auto

lime reef
#

But yeah, I like xlud in the middle

wanton flame
#

Rouge would be a problem then, yeah

lime reef
#

So that would put sanis/alice in p1/p5

#

It’s weird

light axle
#

Ohh yeah I didn't consider Rouge's gimmick

S.anis Rouge Alice Blanc Xlud would be my order then

#

I do manually burst so that shouldn't be an issue

lime reef
#

The gimmick is annoying

light axle
#

Haha yeah

lime reef
#

If only it could be highest 2 attack (not including self) and self

light axle
#

You'd need to have an utterly cracked Rogue to have more atk than your DPSs tbh haha

lime reef
#

Yeah. But as a catch all

#

So it would be written to make sure it’s two others along with rouge who get buffed

glacial warren
glacial warren
#

For example, Frima. She can’t proc Crown’s S2

proud swallow
supple oar
#

I'm ready to be a rebel and run Rouge + Noir

stray condor
echo geyser
supple oar
#

dirty pool, sir

rustic estuary
#

Is rouge futa or am i seeing things

fringe arch
#

Why they gonna put this 2.33s reload time on her

#

Lol

#

Dkw is 2 seconds

stray condor
uneven leaf
proud swallow
#

he did it

covert dragon
#

Oh rouge is actually fucking meta

willow swan
#

yeah rouge's pretty good, worth investing in

#

sadly i don't have the skill books for her XD

echo geyser
willow swan
#

saving for anniversary

covert dragon
dapper sky
#

time to over invest

#

10/7/7

drifting edge
#

Sanis

fickle bobcat
#

I'm using Sanis rouge Alice xlud and blanc

proud swallow
fickle bobcat
#

Rouge 7/4/4 no need ols max ammo cube

mortal plank
stray condor
light axle
#

Her isn't a graduation tho but yes

wanton flame
#

It pretty much is but they don't want stocks to drop akkoShrug

willow swan
wispy elbow
#

4 CR 2 CD OL 2B

late shore
#

who's bolume

wispy elbow
#

for the record that's crit fishing with 5% chance for rog team

#

and 16% chance for 2B team (all burst crit)

royal dune
#

So what's the ideal placement for rogue

wispy elbow
royal dune
# wispy elbow p2

so if she's at p2, she'll buff p1 and p3, and if it's p4, she'll buf p3 and p5?

wispy elbow
#

yes

stray condor
wanton flame
#

No difference between P2 and P4 aside from which burst buttons you press (cuz your priority DPS units must be beside her)

#

S Anis/Rouge/Alice/X Lud/Blanc is AAA/AAS vs X Lud/Blanc/S Anis/Rouge/Alice is AAS/AAD deluthonk

uneven leaf
#

I mean placement is only what, 6.6% ATK DMG buff?

#

unless they're 2B and want the HP buffs, does it even matter?

#

especially if main DPS is Asuka or the like, the buff will be negligible

steel prairie
#

also dmg reduction

true stump
#

Basically, you just put Rogue next to your TOP 2 DPS for SR
the reason is obvious, more damage + more survivability(SR bosses tend to have single-target attacks to an unit with the highest ATK) Doro

wanton flame
#

Use Rogue to let Crown survive without invinicibility vs AI Indivilia? kek

true stump
#

it may be good, but I'd just micro her stacks instead of using Rogue over DKW LiterSip

final mesa
regal light
#

Rouge investment requirements are so high. We're really getting drained on electric books.

stray condor
#

744 is enough tho

#

For plebs

glacial warren
#

I think I’m playing with 7/4/4 Rouge TOMstare

#

Just waiting to see what happens in Solo Raid before bothering with raising her skills more

fickle bobcat
#

Me too 7/4/4

#

even using manual Alice isn't that bad

#

Better than volume

late shore
#

bigger scam than laplace treasure?

trim gorge
late shore
#

what’s pchuot mean? is that vn for sth?

trim gorge
#

Pepe mouse

#

Chuot = mouse

#

P = pepe

rustic estuary
#

If i have rooge now do i need noir for anything im thinking of skill reset

#

I know she is decent dps and have her at 10/10/10 but i have sbs for wind

proven bridge
#

10 10 10 is definitely too much for noir

steel prairie
wanton flame
#

10 on Noir burst is crazy kek

#

I'd say wait on resetting her, as her ammo utility is still great, and she'll probably be a consistent DPS for SG comp in Wind-weak raids

proven bridge
#

10 5 4 is what i got on her

wanton flame
#

10/10/5 on mine

static oyster
#

10/6/8 for mine

fickle bobcat
#

Whels smh

late shore
#

people still have skill books after the triple combo collab?

glacial warren
#

I actually have enough for two more characters poggies

#

ShiftUp's gotten generous with skill books recently

#

It's now adding up over time

#

Overclock injected more, and events give them

willow solar
#

overclock barely helped lol

wanton flame
#

Overlock helps significantly thonk

#

Also, aside from Asuka, NGE units didn't need heavy investment

#

so they shouldn't have drained skill books that hard yabai

#

4/4/4 Mari and 7/7/7 Rei sufficed unless you're in JP

#

(even then, there were plenty of low CP Maris in JP)

willow solar
steel prairie
steel prairie
wanton flame
#

Because her skill scaling is poor thonk

#

For those needing to budget skill mats, it's a bad investment

steel prairie
#

guess I know what unit I will reset the next time we can do it

viral barn
#

This is a pro bono position so u wont get paid though

wanton flame
#

I don't want that responsibility. delupanik2

fickle bobcat
echo geyser
#

Overclock didn't help for shit wtf

#

+28% mat income is abysmal when the existing mat income is like 10/10/10 taking 54 fucking days

#

It should've been at least +60%

wanton flame
#

That's extrmeley helpful when considering it takes that long

echo geyser
#

Not at all

#

OC is a good mode and all but the rewards are still too low

wanton flame
#

+28% for an amount taking 54 days is 15 days worth of materials

echo geyser
#

If you pay to get extra mats it's different for you but for f2p it's still fucking abysmal

wanton flame
#

Two weeks of resources not helpful KEKL

fickle bobcat
fickle bobcat
#

Gimme books

wanton flame
#

If you pay for mats, then skill mats aren't that much of a struggle

#

I pay for mats on main. I don't on alt

echo geyser
#

I can't believe we have someone defending skill mat income here

wanton flame
#

My alt has benefitted more

echo geyser
#

Kinda crazy

wanton flame
#

Maybe if you worded your argument better

fickle bobcat
#

I don't pay for mats 90% of my characters are 7/7/7 or even 4/7/4

wanton flame
#

But saying a +28% doesn't help is ludicrous

fickle bobcat
#

Need books

wanton flame
#

It helps less than, say, a 60% increase

echo geyser
#

What I mean to say is that 54 days was INSANITY

-15 days is still 39 fucking days

One unit to 10/10/10 is still taking 39 days, while they've just released 4 units in the past 2 months that need 10/10/10..

#

You can't cover up that deficit

#

Even with the help of those login rewards

wanton flame
#

"need" 10/10/10

echo geyser
#

Yes, need

#

If you want to be competitive
If you want to aim for low deficit clears
If you want to dominate in PvP

You need high skill levels

wanton flame
#

If you want to be more competitive than top 1%, then that's pretty much spending or suffering

#

Low deficit clears is a completely optional playstyle

#

PvP is dust purchase whalefest

echo geyser
wanton flame
#

Also, PvP doesn't require that much in the way of skill mats yabai

#

You 10/10/10ing Jackal or something?

echo geyser
#

I would want to max out her S1 if we had enough income lmfao

fickle bobcat
#

Same pvp DPS, my scarlet is still 10/7/4

echo geyser
#

From what I understand, you're just way too casual to complain about stuff like this

fickle bobcat
echo geyser
#

Hence I can't argue with you since you don't intend to reach those heights with your account

wanton flame
#

???

echo geyser
#

You are correct for yourself, and the people who play like you

wanton flame
#

I'm in top 200 and stay in top half of Challenger

#

Top 100 if I tryhard

fickle bobcat
wanton flame
#

I have 11 units at 10/10/10

fickle bobcat
#

Damn 11

wanton flame
#

And one of those is Smol White

fickle bobcat
#

I have 4 10/10/10

echo geyser
#

Then you're a spender who is overrating what the income is in reality for most people

wanton flame
#

Fine, I'll get on my alt which just gets the $5 a month gems

fickle bobcat
#

Yeah bro skill books income is a hell for no spenders

wanton flame
#

I get that

#

Which is why saying more skill books doesn't help

#

is ridiculous

#

Might as well get rid of Overclock since it doesn't help

fickle bobcat
#

I can't even think to build properly characters like Mari or snow team

#

My SG team are all around 7/7/7

wanton flame
#

SW comp is only one level 10 skill per unit Xeniathink

fickle bobcat
#

And I'm fucking tryhard

echo geyser
#

I know it helps lmfao but it simply doesn't help enough

Going from hellish income to bad income doesn't make feel a lot better

wanton flame
#

SG comp is insanely expensive

fickle bobcat
#

Yeah 1 skill to 10 per unit

echo geyser
#

Back to rouge chat patpatpat

steel prairie
#

I was just talking about her ideal raid teamBlancStare

wanton flame
#

Exciting that we can potentially use Blanc with S Anis now delulove2

echo geyser
#

And it's with blanc

#

Or on the bench

fickle bobcat
#

Rouge Mari sounds good too

steel prairie
#

srosanna should be better for the upcoming boss since it has lots of regenning parts BrookShrug

wanton flame
#

If we get more pierce units, I could see it

steel prairie
#

as long as survival is not an issue

wanton flame
#

For now RH is married to DKW

echo geyser
fickle bobcat
echo geyser
#

I mean like

Rh might go to tia Naga so

wanton flame
#

Mari's best put there, too

#

Yeah, Mari's in a difficult place

echo geyser
wanton flame
#

cuz competing with Tiga is rough

fickle bobcat
#

mid hood love to steal waifus

steel prairie
wanton flame
#

15% caster ATK of a Supporter kekYep

steel prairie
#

yeah but still more then the 0% blanc providesKEKhands

wanton flame
#

I do think Rouge will be in this upcoming raid unless Volume has some reason to exist

steel prairie
#

narator: she doesn't

wanton flame
#

Reastically though, while related to Rouge, SR team planning probably best done in #raid-planning since it'll naturally gravitate to discussion of other units

viral barn
#

Wait i thought Mari team 3 meta raid, some mod told me so RougeStare

wanton flame
#

for one raid heh

#

Rem'd YesNod

echo geyser
wanton flame
#

Teams will really rely on Quency/Phantom performance

echo geyser
#

So rouge in t5

echo geyser
light axle
#

Now I kinda want to use mileage on her banner, cuz I look at frima and I am worried I wont get her ever sadge

wanton flame
#

Wishlist do be mean sometimes

steel prairie
#

the ratios and weighting in this game in general are a scam

#

notice what 10 out of my top 12 units with the most cores have in common?pepepwese

glacial warren
#

The 54 days is calculating only simulation room, no?

#

They started giving mats in events, months before Overclock

#

That’s why I’m pretty sure that events + Overclock are adding up to a tide of mats that result in more surpluses… assuming people hoard them

#

Right now, I have barely enough to max 2 more characters with 10/10/10, and also have I think 7 or 8 skill reset books waiting for a skill reset window

#

But it’s not as if all of my characters are 10/10/10… my 2B is 1/1/1 Kek_dog , Summer Sakura is 4/4/4, etc

#

My conclusion is day 1 players have plenty of mat income and accumulated mats on characters that they can skill reset

#

And new players are getting mats much faster than those day 1 players originally did

rustic estuary
#

They are all nikke

#

Boobs doesnt work because litera blancha and diesel doesnt have them

indigo cave
#

all I can think of is non-pilgrim

stray condor
rustic estuary
#

Diesel looks flatter than laplace🤔

trim gorge
#

saki pls

lavish finch
#

What

#

Where's the "/s" or "jk lol"

stray condor
#

On saki's behalf, jk lol

marsh cedar
#

how the fuck do you add in a water gal for the usual sbs alice crown

warm ginkgo
#

it was like the easiest solution

steel prairie
#

all my good attackers are lb0KEKhands

grizzled badger
# echo geyser What I mean to say is that 54 days was INSANITY -15 days is still 39 fucking da...

agree
OC is helping and was a good move after most players asked for more mats since a long time but still too low and we know why (it's a gacha after all)
This game is getting me bored more and more and the new treasured system is not fun at all
I will stay until 2nd anniversary and will see if I continue or not because it's just a boring loop for me: new (good) units with some requering level 10 for skills, no enough books to test the new unit correctly (leave her at 7/7/7 at best) but other new units are coming soon and are relevant for SR but not enough mats etc

echo geyser
#

I thought I purged this shit bro SadgeLeave

fickle bobcat
light axle
#

This fucking game man sadge

fickle bobcat