#[Rouge] New Unit Megathread
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i also dk why you’d want to solo dps
The cdr will be problem
but
erm
i think if you had dkw rouge crown dolla x and after max ramp up you might be able to do it
uhhhh not in a regular rotation time no
The RH could continuously bursting many cycles
It means for the first time, a b3 could burst back to back to back
Dolla/Shelm+Dwife barely make it
dont have dkw pulled up so dk the exact amount but if they’re both 7 sec you’d still be a burst cycle off
unless you wait some
if you wait some then yeah
but no it can’t next to instant burst back to back
That will be for tmr
So when i run
Crown-Asuka-Rapun-Dwife-Centi
Rapun cdr drop immediately from 39 to 30
When the gauge is full
bro
So kinda slightly possible there
Haizza just use her to see the timing
She is on 60s cooldown, its similar if u spam burst 1-2-3
The difference is not that much
together?
All together
thats literally not possible
Only RH-Crown-Single b3 burst
the 40s procs after second use
only after
you will not be able to do that multiple times
She might be able to do that again
Ok forget about redhood
I just gonna try to achieve bursting same burst 3
Is that simple?

i mean i understand
but you literally said you wanted to cycle both at the same time
which is literally impossible
and why i made sure to ask for clarification
What u didnt understand what i said then
.
Crown-Solo b3 Dps-Rh perma b1-Rouge-Dwife

Ok thats misunderstood
how is that supposed to be misunderstood
you literally said cycle b1 and b3 previously
but yes if its just one solo burster it is technically possible, you’d just have to wait for the cdr to cycle twice
which is probably like
3-4 seconds downtime if I had to guess
the EN TL may be wrong because the JP version implies that the max HP buff in Shield Coin Status(=20%) is the same type of the noise's S2, which actually heals restores HP
tho maybe with enough cs they could do it
Its not consistent due to rouge and dwife need to pump out enough shot
dunno
we have to wait to be sure
that's what I also said
yeah but again, don’t really see why she’d have an actual heal if blanc is already basically the best if not the best general healer in the game
but ig we just have to wait
dont really care either way cause im skipping
I don't know what SU is thinking 


wait
you’re saying this for S2 right

even if that is a case its a one time heal
S2 and the shield coin part of her burst is translated as having heal for everyone other than EN
ah yes 2 healers in the same team
that would heal some of the highest in the game
makes sense

but ig it could happen cause its shitup
if she heals on burst then yeah, she could be a pair with crown
would up the consistency
not to 100% but probably like 80-90% depending on how they sync
thats
anyway more options never hurt
kinda what i said
😭
rouge goes on crown team instead
the cdr for that team goes to bunnies
im aware
but
it would be how it kinda is for SR if true
cause then
you could do
smt like rouge crown scalter alice x
priv perhaps
bruh if she heals fr skipping her is gonna suck ass
😭
ill have to reeval before the next banner ig
I just checked that "Heal" from max hp up buffs doesn't activate Crown's S2
sorry for breaking your dream apart 
Nikke should have collab with redo of healer
Then everything could count as a heal
Dickslap all of my nikkes
Also, is it just me or Rouge is so fucking hot
I just realized it now after seeing the banner
Like holy shit, she got a hot, killer face and breedable hips
Nvm just backlogged
If s2 can be labelled recovery then maybe procs crown s2. But if it’s hp up, that “recovery” effect doesn’t proc regardless if it restores the hp or not
k then i just skip again

So how much charge speed does rouge need? All of it?
-Mark Skibiditrix
At least 6x black lines, if possible 8, optimal 12
12 charge speed lines let’s go

You concur to the cook? @sage raft
Honestly dont know if it plays out
And not sure any dps currently could pull that off, might have to wait till Cinderella
That is what I call pointless cook
Literally cooking something thats more useless than a proper team
who needs more units when you can just spam rh + alice constantly lol
A lot
Dont be dumb Snake
crown alice rh dwife rouge

if it works it works
There is a reason Naga is used
And there is a reason Asuka is used
Ur takes recently have been so awful
I am literally ignoring you
Idk why
And I dont want to know
reply to me in staffchat
I would try to explain why crown sbs alice rh dwife create a foundation for that
But
Its wednesday
I got stuck on the train going home
First thing i open
Saw kisegae said some cuck shiet pock sking dck
Just block the mtfk and endure another day
The idea of abusing the CDR to use the same B3, need an exceptional On-element dps just for stage like this.
Like in this vid (wind weak), the Sbs basically doing nothing first round beside luckout the elemental suicide. If sbs has burst here, she could just clear it as easy as the asuka (even swap order of burst, sbs could just solo it and Asuka can literally do nothing). The stage is very easy if sbs could burst continuously.
But problem is, sacrificing the second b3 (like sacrificing alice here make sbs loose lots of damage, synergy loss, but its not a big problem cuz i did it with asuka instead of alice here, just need enough damage no need overkill)
We have been using double b3 for a really long time, meta after meta built on that idea, so i think a b3 that could handle both jobs of 2 b3 is not there yet to fully take full advantage of this CDR niche , hence i said maybe we need a new b3, Cinderella or anything that fill the puzzle if to look for something cover neutral stages.
Fire: Asuka could barely cut in here (her heal basically permanent), not sure about alice. Modernia is bad to fit in.
Wind: only sbs barely fit in
Iron prolly only treasure laplace (not sure)
Electric: not feeling any
Water: 
Where is her banner
Hey man. I really want to use Isabel too, but... it just isnt there yet
Vesti is water
and she is cool and awesome and please SU let her work
Wtf
I gift to you the dumbest team yet:
Volume/Blanc/Isabel/Rogue/S.Anis
Volume once ramped gives -9.2 seconds
Rouge gives -7 every ~9.6 seconds I think, assuming manual control / maybe a charge speed OL or two? Will also assume Rouge ammo = 8.
Start fight, Cycle 1 (8 sec):
- 3s building charge:
- Volume->Blanc->Isabel->5s Burst
Cycle 2 (15.7 sec OR 15 sec): - 3 seconds building charge.
- 2.7s wait
- Volume->Blanc->S.Anis->10s Burst
-OR - 2s wait
- Rouge->Blanc->S.Anis
Cycle 3 (8 sec): - 3 seconds building charge
- At this point 23.7 sec passed since Isabel used burst, 7.3s reduced by Volume, 14s reduced by rouge (she's fired 16 shots easy and reloaded twice to be back at full ammo)
- Volume->Blanc->Isabel->5s Burst
Cycle 4 (13 sec): - 3s building charge
- 21s passed since S.Anis used her burst, 13.2 reduced by Volume, 7+ reduced by Rouge.
- Volume->Blanc->S.Anis->10s Burst
Cycle 5+ (15+2x[burst refill time]) - [X]s building charge
- 15 + 2x[burst refill time] passed since B3 used her burst, 16.4 reduced by Volume, 7+ reduced by Rouge.
- Volume->Blanc->B3->5 or 10s burst
Like this, S.Anis can burst every 15+2x[burst refill time], and Isabel&Volume ramp up very quickly. I've set burst refill time as approx 3s during setup where assumes full-charge only.
Once ramped can manual-spam Rouge for faster refill, as 15+16.4+7 = 38.4s, so burst refill time can be as low as 1.6/2=0.8 seconds
Rouge reload speed is 1.5s with Resilience I think? Time between charge shots is ~1.2s. The order would thus be:
- Dump ammo to build gauge
- S.Anis Burst
- reload, fire 6 shots, reload (1.5x2 + 1.2x6 = 10.2 seconds)
- Dump ammo to build gauge
- Isabel Burst
- reload, fire 2 shots, reload (1.5x2 + 1.2x2 = 5.4s)
- Repeat
Total rotation time: 15 + 2x[burst refill time] + ~0.6s delay from reloading before ammo dump
isn't it 1s to charge by default? Is this accounting for reload?
it's accounting
by an accountant

anyway, 1s charge is true
but how about the moving in/out of cover?
the non registered charge duration?
all of that is around 1.233 ~ 1.367s per shot
depend on manual/auto
wow didn't realise the cover added that much
or sometimes
they can do it like this
SBS
someone who never covers right?
with 0.3s charging time
she takes exactly 0.7s per full charge shot

I'll quickly rerun the math with a generous assumption of 1.2s per shot between manual & charge speed OLs
Ok the math is still fine lol
1 -> 1.2s cost was counteracted by me remembering Rouge can equip resilience lol
bringing those reload times down from 2s to 1.5s if I've mathed resil correctely
So yeah. Volume/Blanc/Isabel/Rogue/S.Anis, coming to an electric solo-raid near you
Rouge is 2.33 sec reload
Damn she is too
Well I'm not redoing the math a third time just to get the theoretical optimum
The shitpost team idea remains the same - Bring two CDR units and rotate Isabel/S.Anis bursts at insane speed
Made slightly comfier by the fact that Blanc gives herself an additional 0.7 CDR so can run Rouge->Blanc earlier than Volume->Blanc is ready
https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/116664024?mode=best&p=1
so rouge boosts 2b dmg by 42.39%
My 2b has been going through multiple skill resets, aint no way I'm going to make her 10/10/10 again
Does Rouge psudo heal?
yes
2B buff is real
but blonc already has overkill heals
oh shit but this makes her the first cdr+heal unit in the game
ok so rouge is one of the best b1 in the game now that she has great cdr, atk buffs and healing?
Means you can run Rouge + Crown to get CDR & Heals for Crown S2
oh... the end of tia ntr saga?
Depends on raid
but it means can run 1/1/3 with Crown and be happy
e.g.
Rouge/Crown/Asuka/Rei/Modernia
Liter DWife >>>
If nothing else, Rouge fixes the Crown+Exia+S.Anis Team now
Asuka gets crown shield keeping her elemental damage buff up
Crown gets Rouge heals keeping her S2 up
Rouge is 3rd best if Dorothy part damage is not relevant
Assuming her heal triggers Crown's 2nd skill.
fuck i need that exia treasure
Frima's does
so Rouge surely will
also a secret viper buff kinda
lol
Crown/Viper/B3/Rouge/B3
now has heals for Crown & team, no longer punishing you for not taking Naga or B.Alice or Rapunzel
Ayo no frima talk pls keep it to meta units
wow no callout about mentioning Viper
my girl doing so well with her treasure

Since it looks like our next SR will be Fire, I'm sure Treasure Viper will make a good showing in October
but I'm just pleasantly surprised that Rouge is much better than expected
...even if I fully expect most of the playerbase to skip her to save up for Phantom + Alt Quency
50- pulls, dont make the same mistake, save for anni
No
which hp buff is this?
shieldcoin
ok so only when she attacks 30 times and then bursts
so at the end she actually heals with her hp boost ?
Actions speak more than words lmao
oh yeah thats true
Putting naga for healing meant that I needed to sacrifice modernia
I think the main take pairing naga with crown is to access Naga's core damage increase in the first place before thinking of the extra atk damage up from crown isn't it?
using rouge is like freed up space needed for healer like balice/rapu on crown team
This has been something that I’ve been thinking for a while. Isabel can work with stacked anis by cutting burst time on her own burst so anis can burst more. Also the 40% damage taken increase. Issue has always been the Cdr to get burst ready after 5s burst was done. IIRC Isabel used to have Cdr in the beginning but they removed it cuz “too op”. I was expecting SU to add treasure to her that brings her Cdr back to use this type of comp
But now you gave another idea
I guess I'll take the L next SR and only pull rouge
@echo geyser did you have time to test rouge and compare to volume yet?
Rather talking about the rouge blanc into dropping noir liter
Not home yet 
Can you try 
Same I’m at work
@daring elk
Got one tap roll
Weekday releases are such an L
Game should have events and stuff on weekends tbh
You mean for non delayed burst 3s right?
Cuz you can technically still 1x b3 with 3-4 seconds delay
DWife crown redhood rouge cdr
Try this out
Electric weak union range?
That one is easy
Shelm as fifth
Non core iron weak solo raid is cooked
Heal from max hp buff not counted as heal for crown or similiar skills
In fact I’m predicting this will be highest performing team in iron weak solo raid
Cuz no burst outside SW comes close to rh burst damage
wait does Rouge heal count for Crown ?
No
wait does she even heal
Yes
This was actually the reason I pulled for rouge in first place lol
MLB smh
Yes
Hmm
I always poor
Yea I’ll test out later to give some stats myself but after work

Wdym
It shouldn't tho
Are you sure crown didn't reach 20 stacks by herself
My sanis is c7 88 ele vs ein lb1 67 ele so we can compare if rouge benefits a stronger shotgun more than volume
oh nono
I feel her buff not that strong, i could be wrong tho
Well It isn't lol
im talking about the RH as 1 burst 3 thing
But vol gives crit buffs
Probably 10% more than volume if 10/10/10 and same level
Those are basically trash
So the 2 things to test from me:
- Rouge vs volume on stacked sanis
- Rouge as b3 x1 Cdr
No surprise since noise buff is lower
rn im using the free testing Rouge does her with 1 Ammo line fix her somewhat clunky uptime (cause of 8 shots)
Simply just travel back in time and roll for her
xdd
Yay solo rh
Rouge is going to be weak for me because I have absolutely zero Tetra support gear. She’s got a four piece Pilgrim set. 
Can't wait for yanni to pull shot off like this
Now do hard campaign stage and try it out
definately not hard campaign... i dont have rouge yet
and dunno if i should ticket her
Rh solo ultra stage 7 soon
Don't
What the actual fuck tho
3 meta??
Before anniv?
@fair slate you got any meth on phantom/quency?
so the other two are actually Good SMG/AR ?
Where is sky when you need him 
ticket only if you have more than 600 
Like fr
Watching Rh skin
They looks promising tho
Bro
is he gone today
Really? I could swear people tested with Frima and said she works
Haven't tested myself so could be wrong
With rouge dropping
it only made me realize how much i need D.Wife
I just tested Rouge in game with Crown. Rouge's shield coin does psudo heal, but it doesn't trigger Crown's S2
Rip, thanks for confirming
even if doesn't trigger Crown, the fact she heals via max hp increase mechanic means there's a possibility of her able to solo sustain 2B
Also just makes her a great CDR for teams with no survivability in general
Rosco and Mari two B2 who would love her
for SR that just requires small healing, she will be very good
Man gotta gamble 400 pulls on Rouge phantom and Quency
Standard that is
@echo geyser did 2 runs on a break 
Did 1 minutes runs just to avoid boss jumping shenanigans since boss is at close distance for shotguns for the first 1 min
Lol what a mid unit volume is 
Anyways I stand by my pin
So one of my predictions is already busted 
Pull one copy if you can for raids cuz she's must have for raids
Rip doro
I believe the extra Cdr helped a lot there
Because I could slot more full burst time there
Yeah, the OG CDR stack system hurts
Volume I had some cooldown before second burst
Yeah rouge CDR is like 2 more burst per battle
For people with low resources after collab, I still think Rouge is a trap

Ehhh imo people no tryahrd can skip rouge but they have to pull for quency
Yeah, hardcore raiders must pull Rouge
but otherwise, waiting for spook isn't unrealistic
Quency has a BIG kit
damn it took 8 multi 
no more anni savings.
I'll just take 3% every water weak raid then
Is volume retiring after this
I actually have enough for MLB, it's just I always left 200 for sudden OP units like SBS after winter
No, probably doro is
If there are parts or water weak, doro Will back anyway

I forgot www

Damn
Skip ?
Again tho take my tests with a grain of salt until I do the 3 minute ones. These were 1 min runs where rouge had the benefit of Cdr

I feel like Doro without cdr > volume
Can anyone test
Will see how it goes at 3 min but that will be in like 4 hours
So, at least 1 line of Max ammo for comfort?
Yes
I will go for rouge, viper, blanc, sanis and ssakura
Can do when I get home (like 30-40 minutes)
10/x/x? for skills?
do you get max cdr on 10 or
7/4/4 min
7
10/7/4 max (imo)
10
7 works fine already, 10 is for when you have giga gen

whats her OLs?
rouge, viper, srosana, ssakura and hopefully a second dot b3 soon
@echo geyser opinion?
i did 7/4/7 
thanks N3x 
What's her S1 scaling
unless you run Rouge with 2B you don't need leveled S2 and burst imo
When does it hit 7 seconds
8 hits -7 seconds cdr
10
Skill 1 CDR
7 = 6.04
10 = 7
Fucking hell
right
1/1/1 -> 7/4/4 -> 10/7/4 -> 10/10/7
Starting -> Min -> Rec -> High
Overload gear:
1 ammo is enough

Ol gear rec
1 ammo
That's it really
no 
or just left her at 10/1/1 and be cdr machine 

when skill reset 
but what about the bigger atk buff
Roll her and keep her at 1/1/1
Because you are books broke
15% of support caster on 10
10/10/7 tbh
she is like Dwife when there's no pierce sniper in the comp
And she heals
So
10/10/7 because cindy will be hp scaling 
????????????????????????
en translation error
she increases max hp without restoring
her s2 heals
wait what
she heals nex
Yeah
from what I heard
Surprise surprise
Can't trust en like ever
tell me before bitch
I even defended en against like 5 people
Dwife being 10/10/x at least I can justify her use in campaign. rouge on the other hand though
so this part heals?
Read mtfkr it's like the first msg sent after update finished 
Ya i think so
sir this channel is a spam wdym read
hey guys, is rogue must pull? 
Rogue? new unit?
si
what's Rogue kit
I will do what mackii did now
Pin

spam

:keku:
Wtf man

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AHHH Rogue
yea
10/7/7 is good too
Btw I got Forza
she stays 7/4/4 for now 
Don't you do f2p investments
Forza 5?
Or do you like, invest to max
4 cuz I think it's alright
Asuka 10/10/10 Rei 4/4/7 Mari 7/4/7
Why even bother writing 1/1/1?
@echo geyser if she heals I’ll have to test without crown
So I’ll use Mari in my tests
10/7/4 is 7s cdr like dwife?
How high is needed for max cdr?
Cuz i can copy paste to prydwen
Not convinced at all that the other two skills are worth being that high 
When I say 1/1/1 it means you don't have to invest immediately
Her atk damage was in the other skill iirc
If it's above 1/1/1 I think it's a bit more crucial to have that unit leveled up
Yeah, and it's tiny even at level 10
The only skill that you shouldn’t bother with is burst unless you want to use 2b
Dwife is 5%
You think she's worth including in raid at 1/1/1?
not having noir on tetra tower is really affecting my Alice performance who only have like 2 ammo lines 
No
You telling me you ain’t minmaxing? 
But if you are working on other units, then you may leave rouge in dust for now
Like redhood for example or SBS or mod
Nooo don't call her again


I mean it really depends on how much resources you have
if you dont swipe for skill manuals, just remember that we have potentially good water dps and anni on the horizon and plan accordingly
biggerthanhishead
Gamers so traumatized by misspelling Rogue as Rouge that they misspell Rouge as Rogue
Imagine if Cinderella is iron

ofc she is iron
all anni units are basically automatic 10/10/10 
btw, why no exia?
I didn’t build her treasure
I did the same mistake, lvl 7 sr right now
Honestly not sure if Viper is better with Rosco or Crown. That Crown S1 is nothing to scoff at.
Crown
She get her buff every rotation
yeah but there are only 5 slots on the crown team
Liter alice sbs crown viper
so summer rosanna and noir are retired now right
Noir is too underrated 
So is rouge strong
stronker than volume for sure
Stronger than liter?
no
Does Adjutant work for Rouge?
Stronger than donkey kong?

Rouge? Only 1 (pinned message)
1-1-3 ? blanc benched ? 
Fuck blanc
Rouge + Blanc is meta. )
why srosanna?
rouge mari tho
Real question is if you run Rouge + Mari for pierce or Rouge + Rosco for sustain....
Do we even bother running bunnies? Do they even make the cut anymore?
Noir may indeed be resettable next reset
can someone tell which part of her kit is supposed to heal?
I wonder if this makes overclock much easier now
the hp increase
see Noise
so is pairing her with blanc overkill?
no
shield coin on burat aparently
Why is she skin and bones
The 2nd part of burst heals
no
Rouge at least not game changer right? (70x pull nothing, make me want quit the game)
you see SBS has 2 stacks, implying it has Sword and Shield coin
no heal
i covered the run when everybody had max HP to not fall into the area of Rouge S1
bursted, this is the result
Something heals for sure, I just tested with my Guillotine. I lose HP at the beginning and she was full health at the end of the fight 
and this is stage 3 of Rouge burst
press esc and check for heal numbers
what team did you use
Crown - Rouge - Guillotine - Maxwell - Ludmilla
you get max hp -> your bar looks more empty -> the HP runs out -> you look full
no?
S1
S1 -2% hp
okay that made me curious imma run that team
0 Heal number but my Guillotine is back at max HP 
Max HP buffs don't count as healing afaik
is rogue crazy i got her
Rogue is a class in World of Warcraft
i have no clue what that means
It's jover
Yeah, Rouge definitely heals
Did burst end?
S1 and burst both have durations
so your units are going to constantly change max hp values 
look at the current HP tho
@echo geyser did some scuffed initial tests at work 
What are you talking about
Don't you know how max hp buffs work in nikke
Max hp with heal:
Imagine if a unit is 50/100 hp
20% max hp buff = 70/120 hp
When max hp buff expires = 70/100 hp
Max hp without heal:
Unit is 50/100 hp
20% max hp without heal: 50/120
After buff expires: 50/100 hp
Can’t manual rh properly 
Anyway
Rouge is lvl 200 because I have no mats to 10 her s1
So on electric team you can add at least 200 m
i can tell you why
The other one was blanc noir liter vs rouge blanc flex b3
That’s where I had bigger differences
Again rh score is very scuffed cuz I was missing core hits from distraction
But you can look at modernia dmg instead
why does anis have the buff
And compare noir with xlud
oh i didn't read the "when"
so after 5th burst she heals for 15% of her max HP each burst
@echo geyser fyi the runs with rh mod were on water union range
So none of them had elemental dmg bonuses
Funny thing everyone except sanis did more dmg on the volume run
And I expected the opposite 
Also forgot to mention volume is 4/5/5
And that’s pretty much it
What kind of teams can i make with rouge?
i think that
theyre more or less on equal footing
but rouge is better since she opens up one dps slot 
whats rouges skill lvl?
@echo geyser update that kit finally i can count the pixels with my eyes closed
and i am confident that the gain and dps we get from noir
we can get more from a dps unit
10 10 10 I used the merc
merc?
Yea it’s capped at 200 and can’t use cubes
not each
is rouge same same as dwk?
So electric team definitely rouge > volume

for the dot team she is also amazing
But repping liter noir for extra dps that’s kinda tricky
?
tried against kraken, all 5 units survived when they usually die with crown and naga
that s2 only heals once the first tiem it triggers.
its the burst skill part 2 that heals every time
Wind weak raid can split blanc noir with noir going on sg team since they benefit from the hit rate buff if there’s core on the boss
her burst doesn't heal at all
unless you can show proof
So can run sth like tove guilty/leona bsoda noir Leona/bunny Alice
But traditional solo raid
Very hard to outperform noir with mod I think
Like you’d need the extra dps to be of elemental advantage and have 80%+ ele for the benefit
@echo geyser I can try iron union range with sbs Alice bunnies liter vs rouge blanc sbs Alice mod to confirm that
is this 1/1/1?
Or sbs Alice ssakura
10/10/10
try out
rouge blanc asuka rei mod
vs
liter blanc rei noir mod
do neutral ele if you want to
the idea is to replace noir with a good dps
kk thanks 
But Rei is kinda pepega compared to noir so it won’t really be a fair run
what
Lb0 3 OL gears vs core 7
the idea is to replace noir with asuka
Full OL
Alright
i wanna see end result
Same boss water range
kk
i thought this was the message you pinned at first, ngl
LOL
What happens if you use 2 rouges
show final score
goddamn did your noir outdps fucking rei
lol, kinda funny 
seems like for mg noir still superior
NAH MAN SOMEONE TAKE HIS MOD ROLE
she is only 92k power so probably not even a ol piece
@proud swallow
to pull or not to pull
only used burst skill once btw
game master increased HP
don't run anyone that also increases HP
only run rouge
game master is her burst skill are you trolling?
I fucking went through 600 tickets for Eva collab. Fuck you rei banner. Gonna need to save anyways
this guy 
did you shoot 30 times before bursting?
yes
lol
bro
so does she heal or not
i fr do not need more of her
thanks for evidence 
Low investment rei told you
yes
Her skills are not maxed either
burst skill part 2 can heal
I didn’t bother with the collab units
and her s2 can heal but only 1st tiem it activates
Actually 3 OL
But not invested
One atk line tier 11
And skills are like 4 4 5
i think rei needs to be more built 
i think rei can match each other
Can ask someone with more built rei
I admit mine isn’t built at all
Same with asuka
0.3% massive object solo raid rank I suck
most people lack the resources to build 3 new units at once
Fire was never priority for me regardless
Uninvested 2b Alice asuka rei mod
Yes even mod
I don’t have OL chest on her
Just 2 atk lines tier 11 to compensate a little
I spent the last month building my sbs so I can farm more rocks to build other units for example and my skill books went towards ein and exia
😭
So u can leave me to handle Alice right? 
Whatever 
Shield Coin activated (she full-charged 30 times).
ik, but he was saying burst skill doesnt heal.
and that it was the last part of s2 that was healing her every burst
S2 only heals once.
ik thats what i said lol ^
How do people not know that
@echo geyser unlimited hood works
Letsgo new ultra comp
now try in campaign 
I assume anomaly intercept ultra
Need to use my own rouge for that and she’s 1/1/1 rn 
don't you need snow white overkill damage due to how that core spawning mechanic thingamajig
It’s more about to see how far rh can go in terms of solo damage
unlimited Snow burst
“ThIs Is PoInTlEsS cOoK” -some pepega i met ytd
Liter, DKW, Crown, Rouge, SBS for Kraken?
Weak burst gen though 
Imma try in like 30-40 min but it won’t be optimal since I need to raise rouge skills and I don’t have enough mats to cover everything
Her Cdr won’t be max

So is Vesti/Isabel real?

I could test her, she is 7 1 6 right now
I see how co-op is going to be now

Wait, does that mean we could have SW stonks? 
Yes, no? Then she will become the Aegis Cannon
I wonder if you can swap SHelm with Maxwell in case the boss is not iron weak
And achieve the same result
If not enough CDR, can still use Dolla
i've done some tests on full auto on fire weak boss SR and it looks like noir/liter support pays off more
asuka is 9/10/9 4x ED, 2x ammo
rei is 7/8/7 3x ED 3x ammo
fucking blessed, got my sbs to core 3 with rogue rolls
My initial idea was to actually use asuka Vs noir as a comparison 
The reason for it being that if I replace noir for an actual DPS, will it be better or no 
But instead we have a
Rei Vs Noir
I guess we can't compete with liter bunnies
But if we throw liter to one of the top teams, rouge definitely fits in this teams easily 
More or less a team 3/4 then if T5 is confirmed shotguns from now on
How about trying this with a screenwipe Nikke?

and try it out on a defense stage
or base defense on that matter
bronchus party
Pepega 
💀
Kinda close 
who said rouge can outlive triple bronchus
im so far from stage 7
10/1/1 rouge gear all lv0 here, dont take it the wrong way, she could pull it off if more investment i guess
Wait so is it confirmed like rouge doesn’t trigger crown?
Is the description wrong and rouge increases hp with the heal?
Yes EN is wrong
double sword coin will only heal once the first time it triggers
her burst will heal every time once you have shield coin however
How bricked is my rouge if she's missing max ammo?
I think cube can give her 8 ammo
Yeah, there was no hope that Crown would be triggered by Rouge
The only argument was whether any of her Max HP buffs could result in HP being restored
Hmm so don’t bother pairing rogue with crown.
Correct
DKW/Liter are superior anyway, for the most part
Although for electric, Exia/Crown/Rogue is 👌
@echo geyser bad news. I just compiled the following…
Note on whether “Max HP” buffs are recovery effects:
- Max HP buffs do not trigger Crown’s Royal Attire proc which has the condition of “recovery takes effect”
- Noise’s burst works, the heal over time buff **is a recovery effect ** (not the gains on each heal tick!).
- Helm’s burst works, the lifeleech buff **is a recovery effect ** (not the gains on each hit!).
- Frima’s fully charged shot doesn’t work, the Max HP buff is **not a recovery effect ** (despite restoring health).
- Rouge’s Max HP buffs are all the same type as Frima’s Max HP buffs, meaning **not a recovery effect **.
- True of everything Rouge has which buffs Max HP, I tested them all.
- RIP Rouge + Crown heals synergy, there’s none, nevermind the descriptions saying “without restoring health” anyway.
Yeah, RIP
Oh the raw HP of a character is shown here? Awesome. Makes it very easy to check if Rouge even heals
Mhm
iron weak bosses in shambles
So the heals start from 5th Rouge burst onwards
But only when she bursts, the rest doesn’t heal, and I was too lazy to determine if the Double Coin buff itself heals
Double Coin and the burst’s trigger possibly happen at the same time, then only the burst’s trigger thereafter
Or possibly you need a 6th burst to see heals from bursting with a Double Coin in play
Then that means 5th burst has boosted healing from the two Max HP buffs kicking in
Then 6th+ just from the one Max HP buff from bursting
Tbh this is very good for berserkers on very easy fights 
Scarlet won’t be at 1hp every burst, maybe, once Rouge gets to 5+ bursts
But too bad, the fight was already very easy!
So volume is forever dead with rouge as b1?
Nah. Depends on raid
Doro might get the axe first due to her need for a friend
Water raids, Volume's probably out
Electric, Fire, and Iron? RIP Doro
So volume stays around to take down elemental QTEs?
also someone has to test it but volume might be better than doro without priv
More like, with Electric we have Exia slotting in. With Fire, Alice is a main DPS which complicates the formations, and with Iron, S Helm offers CDR
Is doro priv duo that bad?
Doro provides nothing for Alice
Privaty does
As long as Alice is tied to Crown/Privaty, Doro gets wrecked
so for water raids, when we can go Doro/Crown/SBS/Alice/Privaty for high damage, she works
So doro can be replaced and still maintain priv?
but for fire-weak raids, we want Liter or DKW with Alice since she's a main DPS
For Electric-weak Raids, Exia/Rogue will slot in, so maybe Doro/Privaty in another team 
You mean fire weak?
yes it is, tested on fire weak SR
Fire-weak, yeah, sorry
Hmm
Iron-weak raids are the only time we'll want a B2 CDR unit cuz S Helm is stonks then
Doesn’t doro do respectable damage?
She can, but does it outweight losing an entire full burst?
yeah, she takes sometimes 2s cd
Why does it lose a full burst?
doro has less cdr
Without Privaty, she can't keep up on CDR
compared to other b1 cdr's
DKW/Liter with Priv is better
Volume is better than no-Priv Doro
Neither are in T1
Oh
with rouge we can free liter or dkw
We want to buff Alice/SBS with a good B1
depending on raid
so alice/sbs or whatever the best team that raid gets the premium treatment
Doro only really works out well enough in water-weak raids since she's elementally effective and benefitting much more from Crown
I see
Liter generally gets that slot in other raids to buff SBS, and DKW can steal the slot to buff Alice in fire-weak raids
For Electric, we're likely see S Anis/Ein steal Crown from Alice/SBS, so Exia/Rogue is likely to be the norm (as opposed to Exia/Dolla from last time)
Guh. Here I thought I was sous chef level, but turns out, I’m only a line cook
next one is probably water weak so doro will get the spot



















