#[Rouge] New Unit Megathread

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viral barn
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Haizza

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Its a pseudo comp to test in the scenario that u fill the gauge very fast

serene shuttle
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i also dk why you’d want to solo dps

viral barn
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The cdr will be problem

serene shuttle
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but

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erm

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i think if you had dkw rouge crown dolla x and after max ramp up you might be able to do it

viral barn
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No need

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Rouge and Dwife can eliminate 40s cooldown entirely

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If the case is valid

serene shuttle
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uhhhh not in a regular rotation time no

viral barn
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The RH could continuously bursting many cycles

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It means for the first time, a b3 could burst back to back to back

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Dolla/Shelm+Dwife barely make it

serene shuttle
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dont have dkw pulled up so dk the exact amount but if they’re both 7 sec you’d still be a burst cycle off

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unless you wait some

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if you wait some then yeah

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but no it can’t next to instant burst back to back

viral barn
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That will be for tmr

serene shuttle
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40 - 10 - 14

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???

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you’d have to wait for their cdr to cycle again

viral barn
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So when i run
Crown-Asuka-Rapun-Dwife-Centi

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Rapun cdr drop immediately from 39 to 30

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When the gauge is full

serene shuttle
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bro

viral barn
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So kinda slightly possible there

serene shuttle
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rapun is B1

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??

viral barn
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Haizza just use her to see the timing

serene shuttle
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her burst activates sooner

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use a b3 to do thatAnisBruh

viral barn
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She is on 60s cooldown, its similar if u spam burst 1-2-3

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The difference is not that much

serene shuttle
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bro

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are you trying to say to cycle rh 1-2-3

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multiple times

viral barn
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Cycle rh b1 multiple time

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Cycle b3 dps multiple times

serene shuttle
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together?

viral barn
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All together

serene shuttle
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thats literally not possible

viral barn
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Only RH-Crown-Single b3 burst

serene shuttle
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the 40s procs after second use

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only after

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you will not be able to do that multiple times

viral barn
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Ok she become 40s after second

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With dwife and rouge help

serene shuttle
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no

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just

viral barn
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She might be able to do that again

serene shuttle
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no

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if you want to b3 after you cant

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if its just b1 thats diff

viral barn
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Ok forget about redhood

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I just gonna try to achieve bursting same burst 3

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Is that simple?

serene shuttle
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i mean i understand

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but you literally said you wanted to cycle both at the same time

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which is literally impossible

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and why i made sure to ask for clarification

viral barn
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What u didnt understand what i said then

serene shuttle
viral barn
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Crown-Solo b3 Dps-Rh perma b1-Rouge-Dwife

serene shuttle
viral barn
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Ok thats misunderstood

serene shuttle
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how is that supposed to be misunderstood

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you literally said cycle b1 and b3 previously

viral barn
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I never mean that

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Just

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Scrap that, no point picking it

serene shuttle
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but yes if its just one solo burster it is technically possible, you’d just have to wait for the cdr to cycle twice

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which is probably like

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3-4 seconds downtime if I had to guess

viral barn
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That one

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Will have to wait till tmr

true stump
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the EN TL may be wrong because the JP version implies that the max HP buff in Shield Coin Status(=20%) is the same type of the noise's S2, which actually heals restores HP

serene shuttle
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tho maybe with enough cs they could do it

viral barn
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Its not consistent due to rouge and dwife need to pump out enough shot

serene shuttle
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dunno

true stump
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we have to wait to be sure
that's what I also said

serene shuttle
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but ig we just have to wait

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dont really care either way cause im skipping

true stump
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I don't know what SU is thinking lmaocry

serene shuttle
viral barn
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Maybe Rouge heal Crown and activate her buff, Rouge is for Crown

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Poggiee

serene shuttle
true stump
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if she can heal

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she can also be used in no heal comp

serene shuttle
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wait

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you’re saying this for S2 right

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even if that is a case its a one time heal

viral barn
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The heal on both burst and s2

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According to jp/kr -quoted kisenix

serene shuttle
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???

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that would be so fucking stupid if true

tender vapor
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S2 and the shield coin part of her burst is translated as having heal for everyone other than EN

serene shuttle
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ah yes 2 healers in the same team

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that would heal some of the highest in the game

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makes sense

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but ig it could happen cause its shitup

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if she heals on burst then yeah, she could be a pair with crown

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would up the consistency

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not to 100% but probably like 80-90% depending on how they sync

true stump
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or we could do Rouge, non-heal-b2, B3x2, flexible

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while using the bunnies elsewhere

serene shuttle
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thats

true stump
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anyway more options never hurt

serene shuttle
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kinda what i said

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😭

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rouge goes on crown team instead

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the cdr for that team goes to bunnies

true stump
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Rouge isn't restricted to Crown nor blanc

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that's what I'm saying

serene shuttle
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im aware

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but

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it would be how it kinda is for SR if true

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cause then

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you could do

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smt like rouge crown scalter alice x

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priv perhaps

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bruh if she heals fr skipping her is gonna suck ass

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😭

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ill have to reeval before the next banner ig

true stump
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I just checked that "Heal" from max hp up buffs doesn't activate Crown's S2
sorry for breaking your dream apart Doro

rustic estuary
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Nikke should have collab with redo of healer

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Then everything could count as a heal

stray condor
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Dickslap all of my nikkes

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Also, is it just me or Rouge is so fucking hot

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I just realized it now after seeing the banner

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Like holy shit, she got a hot, killer face and breedable hips

daring elk
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Nvm just backlogged

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If s2 can be labelled recovery then maybe procs crown s2. But if it’s hp up, that “recovery” effect doesn’t proc regardless if it restores the hp or not

serene shuttle
slate berry
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So how much charge speed does rouge need? All of it?

trim gorge
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you could have had it all

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but don't roll it in the deep

viral barn
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-Mark Skibiditrix

stray condor
daring elk
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12 charge speed lines let’s go

daring elk
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Jk KekHold

mortal plank
viral barn
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You concur to the cook? @sage raft

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Honestly dont know if it plays out

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And not sure any dps currently could pull that off, might have to wait till Cinderella

sharp wedge
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Literally cooking something thats more useless than a proper team

echo geyser
sharp wedge
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Dont be dumb Snake

echo geyser
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crown alice rh dwife rouge

Prayge

if it works it works

sharp wedge
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There is a reason Naga is used

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And there is a reason Asuka is used

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Ur takes recently have been so awful

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I am literally ignoring you

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Idk why

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And I dont want to know

echo geyser
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Doro reply to me in staffchat

viral barn
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I would try to explain why crown sbs alice rh dwife create a foundation for that

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But

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Its wednesday

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I got stuck on the train going home

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First thing i open

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Saw kisegae said some cuck shiet pock sking dck

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Just block the mtfk and endure another day

viral barn
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The idea of abusing the CDR to use the same B3, need an exceptional On-element dps just for stage like this.
Like in this vid (wind weak), the Sbs basically doing nothing first round beside luckout the elemental suicide. If sbs has burst here, she could just clear it as easy as the asuka (even swap order of burst, sbs could just solo it and Asuka can literally do nothing). The stage is very easy if sbs could burst continuously.
But problem is, sacrificing the second b3 (like sacrificing alice here make sbs loose lots of damage, synergy loss, but its not a big problem cuz i did it with asuka instead of alice here, just need enough damage no need overkill)
We have been using double b3 for a really long time, meta after meta built on that idea, so i think a b3 that could handle both jobs of 2 b3 is not there yet to fully take full advantage of this CDR niche , hence i said maybe we need a new b3, Cinderella or anything that fill the puzzle if to look for something cover neutral stages.
Fire: Asuka could barely cut in here (her heal basically permanent), not sure about alice. Modernia is bad to fit in.
Wind: only sbs barely fit in
Iron prolly only treasure laplace (not sure)
Electric: not feeling any
Water: pepeBeaten

rustic estuary
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Where is her banner

glacial warren
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In a galaxy far, far away

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(maint starts in a few hours, lasts 7 hours)

autumn hazel
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Vesti is water

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and she is cool and awesome and please SU let her work

sharp wedge
uneven leaf
# viral barn The idea of abusing the CDR to use the same B3, need an exceptional On-element d...

I gift to you the dumbest team yet:

Volume/Blanc/Isabel/Rogue/S.Anis

Volume once ramped gives -9.2 seconds
Rouge gives -7 every ~9.6 seconds I think, assuming manual control / maybe a charge speed OL or two? Will also assume Rouge ammo = 8.

Start fight, Cycle 1 (8 sec):

  • 3s building charge:
  • Volume->Blanc->Isabel->5s Burst
    Cycle 2 (15.7 sec OR 15 sec):
  • 3 seconds building charge.
  • 2.7s wait
  • Volume->Blanc->S.Anis->10s Burst
    -OR
  • 2s wait
  • Rouge->Blanc->S.Anis
    Cycle 3 (8 sec):
  • 3 seconds building charge
  • At this point 23.7 sec passed since Isabel used burst, 7.3s reduced by Volume, 14s reduced by rouge (she's fired 16 shots easy and reloaded twice to be back at full ammo)
  • Volume->Blanc->Isabel->5s Burst
    Cycle 4 (13 sec):
  • 3s building charge
  • 21s passed since S.Anis used her burst, 13.2 reduced by Volume, 7+ reduced by Rouge.
  • Volume->Blanc->S.Anis->10s Burst
    Cycle 5+ (15+2x[burst refill time])
  • [X]s building charge
  • 15 + 2x[burst refill time] passed since B3 used her burst, 16.4 reduced by Volume, 7+ reduced by Rouge.
  • Volume->Blanc->B3->5 or 10s burst

Like this, S.Anis can burst every 15+2x[burst refill time], and Isabel&Volume ramp up very quickly. I've set burst refill time as approx 3s during setup where assumes full-charge only.
Once ramped can manual-spam Rouge for faster refill, as 15+16.4+7 = 38.4s, so burst refill time can be as low as 1.6/2=0.8 seconds
Rouge reload speed is 1.5s with Resilience I think? Time between charge shots is ~1.2s. The order would thus be:

  • Dump ammo to build gauge
  • S.Anis Burst
  • reload, fire 6 shots, reload (1.5x2 + 1.2x6 = 10.2 seconds)
  • Dump ammo to build gauge
  • Isabel Burst
  • reload, fire 2 shots, reload (1.5x2 + 1.2x2 = 5.4s)
  • Repeat

Total rotation time: 15 + 2x[burst refill time] + ~0.6s delay from reloading before ammo dump

trim gorge
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8 shots x 1.3 each

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that's on auto

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on manual you can shave it to 1.2s but no more

uneven leaf
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isn't it 1s to charge by default? Is this accounting for reload?

trim gorge
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it's accounting

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by an accountant

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anyway, 1s charge is true

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but how about the moving in/out of cover?

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the non registered charge duration?

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all of that is around 1.233 ~ 1.367s per shot

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depend on manual/auto

uneven leaf
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wow didn't realise the cover added that much

trim gorge
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or sometimes

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they can do it like this

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SBS

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someone who never covers right?

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with 0.3s charging time

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she takes exactly 0.7s per full charge shot

uneven leaf
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I'll quickly rerun the math with a generous assumption of 1.2s per shot between manual & charge speed OLs

rustic estuary
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This is too much jigglebytes

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How does a 2d jigglegame have so much jigglebytes

uneven leaf
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Ok the math is still fine lol

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1 -> 1.2s cost was counteracted by me remembering Rouge can equip resilience lol

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bringing those reload times down from 2s to 1.5s if I've mathed resil correctely

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So yeah. Volume/Blanc/Isabel/Rogue/S.Anis, coming to an electric solo-raid near you

indigo cave
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Rouge is 2.33 sec reload

uneven leaf
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Damn she is too

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Well I'm not redoing the math a third time just to get the theoretical optimum

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The shitpost team idea remains the same - Bring two CDR units and rotate Isabel/S.Anis bursts at insane speed

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Made slightly comfier by the fact that Blanc gives herself an additional 0.7 CDR so can run Rouge->Blanc earlier than Volume->Blanc is ready

spice harness
stray condor
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Damn, huge boost

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Propelled her back to SS tier?

blazing sorrel
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en translator strike again

warm ginkgo
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My 2b has been going through multiple skill resets, aint no way I'm going to make her 10/10/10 again

fading vigil
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Does Rouge psudo heal?

blazing sorrel
stuck maple
fickle bobcat
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first try

marsh cedar
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but blonc already has overkill heals

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oh shit but this makes her the first cdr+heal unit in the game

steel prairie
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ok so rouge is one of the best b1 in the game now that she has great cdr, atk buffs and healing?

uneven leaf
stuck maple
uneven leaf
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Depends on raid

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but it means can run 1/1/3 with Crown and be happy

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e.g.

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Rouge/Crown/Asuka/Rei/Modernia

gray badger
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If nothing else, Rouge fixes the Crown+Exia+S.Anis Team now

uneven leaf
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Asuka gets crown shield keeping her elemental damage buff up
Crown gets Rouge heals keeping her S2 up

echo geyser
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Rouge is 3rd best if Dorothy part damage is not relevant

gray badger
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Assuming her heal triggers Crown's 2nd skill.

stuck maple
uneven leaf
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Frima's does

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so Rouge surely will

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also a secret viper buff kinda

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lol

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Crown/Viper/B3/Rouge/B3

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now has heals for Crown & team, no longer punishing you for not taking Naga or B.Alice or Rapunzel

gray badger
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oh, that is true

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Crown won't need Naga as much anymore

echo geyser
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Ayo no frima talk pls keep it to meta units

uneven leaf
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my girl doing so well with her treasure

gray badger
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Since it looks like our next SR will be Fire, I'm sure Treasure Viper will make a good showing in October

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but I'm just pleasantly surprised that Rouge is much better than expected

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...even if I fully expect most of the playerbase to skip her to save up for Phantom + Alt Quency

fringe arch
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50- pulls, dont make the same mistake, save for anni

opaque portal
steel prairie
blazing sorrel
steel prairie
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ok so only when she attacks 30 times and then bursts

wet aspen
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so at the end she actually heals with her hp boost ?

steel prairie
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with the shield coin

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yes

atomic furnace
fickle bobcat
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Snake

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Go pull

echo geyser
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Can you help me with smthng

fickle bobcat
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No I'm working

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I'll be free in 5 hours

fervent quest
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Putting naga for healing meant that I needed to sacrifice modernia

fair slate
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She slightly higher than volume, at lv 200

warm ginkgo
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I think the main take pairing naga with crown is to access Naga's core damage increase in the first place before thinking of the extra atk damage up from crown isn't it?
using rouge is like freed up space needed for healer like balice/rapu on crown team

proud swallow
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Alice Rouge sAnis Blanc xLud

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feels so fucking good in tetra tower

daring elk
# uneven leaf I gift to you the dumbest team yet: Volume/Blanc/Isabel/Rogue/S.Anis Volume on...

This has been something that I’ve been thinking for a while. Isabel can work with stacked anis by cutting burst time on her own burst so anis can burst more. Also the 40% damage taken increase. Issue has always been the Cdr to get burst ready after 5s burst was done. IIRC Isabel used to have Cdr in the beginning but they removed it cuz “too op”. I was expecting SU to add treasure to her that brings her Cdr back to use this type of comp

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But now you gave another idea

warm ginkgo
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I guess I'll take the L next SR and only pull rouge

daring elk
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@echo geyser did you have time to test rouge and compare to volume yet?

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Rather talking about the rouge blanc into dropping noir liter

daring elk
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Same I’m at work

echo geyser
daring elk
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Got one tap roll

echo geyser
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Game should have events and stuff on weekends tbh

daring elk
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First thing I’ll test if I can use one b3 with Dkw rouge

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I have something in my mind

true stump
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you can't

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even with 24cs

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you need at least one more CDR

daring elk
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You mean for non delayed burst 3s right?

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Cuz you can technically still 1x b3 with 3-4 seconds delay

echo geyser
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DWife crown redhood rouge cdr

echo geyser
daring elk
daring elk
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Shelm as fifth

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Non core iron weak solo raid is cooked

drifting edge
daring elk
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In fact I’m predicting this will be highest performing team in iron weak solo raid

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Cuz no burst outside SW comes close to rh burst damage

jovial pawn
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wait does Rouge heal count for Crown ?

drifting edge
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No

jovial pawn
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wait does she even heal

drifting edge
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Yes

daring elk
jovial pawn
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oh my fcking god

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it works

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LMAo

fickle bobcat
fair slate
daring elk
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Hmm

fair slate
daring elk
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Yea I’ll test out later to give some stats myself but after work

fickle bobcat
echo geyser
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It shouldn't tho
Are you sure crown didn't reach 20 stacks by herself

daring elk
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My sanis is c7 88 ele vs ein lb1 67 ele so we can compare if rouge benefits a stronger shotgun more than volume

jovial pawn
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oh nono

fair slate
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I feel her buff not that strong, i could be wrong tho

echo geyser
jovial pawn
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im talking about the RH as 1 burst 3 thing

echo geyser
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But vol gives crit buffs

fair slate
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Probably 10% more than volume if 10/10/10 and same level

echo geyser
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Those are basically trash

daring elk
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So the 2 things to test from me:

  1. Rouge vs volume on stacked sanis
  2. Rouge as b3 x1 Cdr
neon cedar
fickle bobcat
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Noo don't call 2b back

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Let her die

echo geyser
jovial pawn
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rn im using the free testing Rouge does her with 1 Ammo line fix her somewhat clunky uptime (cause of 8 shots)

drifting edge
fickle bobcat
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Yay solo rh

regal light
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Rouge is going to be weak for me because I have absolutely zero Tetra support gear. She’s got a four piece Pilgrim set. SodaCry

echo geyser
echo geyser
jovial pawn
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definately not hard campaign... i dont have rouge yet

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and dunno if i should ticket her

echo geyser
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No tix id say

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Bro fucking

fickle bobcat
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Rh solo ultra stage 7 soon

fair slate
echo geyser
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What the actual fuck tho

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3 meta??

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Before anniv?

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@fair slate you got any meth on phantom/quency?

jovial pawn
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so the other two are actually Good SMG/AR ?

echo geyser
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Where is sky when you need him madge

warm ginkgo
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ticket only if you have more than 600 kekw

fickle bobcat
fair slate
echo geyser
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Bro

fickle bobcat
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Pajama guy is math nerd too?

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interesting

jovial pawn
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is he gone today

fickle bobcat
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Yeah he's goon

uneven leaf
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Haven't tested myself so could be wrong

opaque portal
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With rouge dropping
it only made me realize how much i need D.Wife

fading vigil
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I just tested Rouge in game with Crown. Rouge's shield coin does psudo heal, but it doesn't trigger Crown's S2

uneven leaf
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Rip, thanks for confirming

dreamy inlet
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even if doesn't trigger Crown, the fact she heals via max hp increase mechanic means there's a possibility of her able to solo sustain 2B

uneven leaf
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Also just makes her a great CDR for teams with no survivability in general

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Rosco and Mari two B2 who would love her

fickle bobcat
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Nooo don't call 2b

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I don't wanna spend on her

dreamy inlet
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for SR that just requires small healing, she will be very good

jovial pawn
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Standard that is

daring elk
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@echo geyser did 2 runs on a break wahahaha

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Did 1 minutes runs just to avoid boss jumping shenanigans since boss is at close distance for shotguns for the first 1 min

echo geyser
daring elk
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Seems like she outperforms volume

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Even on sanis teams

echo geyser
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Anyways I stand by my pin

daring elk
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So one of my predictions is already busted CH_Dead

echo geyser
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Pull one copy if you can for raids cuz she's must have for raids

fickle bobcat
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Rip doro

daring elk
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I believe the extra Cdr helped a lot there

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Because I could slot more full burst time there

wanton flame
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Yeah, the OG CDR stack system hurts

daring elk
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Volume I had some cooldown before second burst

fickle bobcat
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Yeah rouge CDR is like 2 more burst per battle

daring elk
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I’ll do 3 minute runs when I’m back from work

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Just to confirm

fickle bobcat
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I have no gear for her

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Time to farm ultra

wanton flame
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For people with low resources after collab, I still think Rouge is a trap

fickle bobcat
wanton flame
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Water DPS units are actually in lower supply than CDR units

fickle bobcat
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Ehhh imo people no tryahrd can skip rouge but they have to pull for quency

wanton flame
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Yeah, hardcore raiders must pull Rouge

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but otherwise, waiting for spook isn't unrealistic

fickle bobcat
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Quency has a BIG kit

warm ginkgo
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damn it took 8 multi sadge
no more anni savings.

I'll just take 3% every water weak raid then

fickle bobcat
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Rip wan

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No MLB Cinderella for him

spice karma
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Is volume retiring after this

warm ginkgo
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I actually have enough for MLB, it's just I always left 200 for sudden OP units like SBS after winter

fickle bobcat
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If there are parts or water weak, doro Will back anyway

warm ginkgo
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I forgot www

fickle bobcat
opaque portal
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Damn
Skip ?

fickle bobcat
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No

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pull or die

daring elk
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Again tho take my tests with a grain of salt until I do the 3 minute ones. These were 1 min runs where rouge had the benefit of Cdr

fickle bobcat
opaque portal
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It's fine

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I only have 3 singles

echo geyser
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I feel like Doro without cdr > volume

Can anyone test

daring elk
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Will see how it goes at 3 min but that will be in like 4 hours

warm ginkgo
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So, at least 1 line of Max ammo for comfort?

echo geyser
steel prairie
wanton flame
left beacon
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10/x/x? for skills?

undone crown
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do you get max cdr on 10 or

proud swallow
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7/4/4 min

undone crown
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7

proud swallow
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10/7/4 max (imo)

proud swallow
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7 works fine already, 10 is for when you have giga gen

undone crown
fickle bobcat
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10/10/10 top 50 solo raid

ripe wharf
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whats her OLs?

proud swallow
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1x ammo for comfort

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rest doesn't matter, charge speed is nice i guess

steel prairie
proud swallow
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@echo geyser opinion?

left beacon
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i did 7/4/7 ICANT

ripe wharf
echo geyser
proud swallow
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unless you run Rouge with 2B you don't need leveled S2 and burst imo

echo geyser
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When does it hit 7 seconds

fickle bobcat
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8 hits -7 seconds cdr

undone crown
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10

proud swallow
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Skill 1 CDR
7 = 6.04
10 = 7

echo geyser
fickle bobcat
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So 7 or 10

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10 because gaming hands

undone crown
fickle bobcat
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People is faster than dwife cdr so

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10 is mandatory

echo geyser
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1/1/1 -> 7/4/4 -> 10/7/4 -> 10/10/7
Starting -> Min -> Rec -> High

Overload gear:

1 ammo is enough

fickle bobcat
echo geyser
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Ol gear rec

1 ammo

That's it really

undone crown
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the cdr shouldn't scale

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make it max on lvl 1 deadge

fickle bobcat
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ikr

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They want people buying those books

ripe wharf
#

no LiterSmug

warm ginkgo
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or just left her at 10/1/1 and be cdr machine kekw

fickle bobcat
left beacon
#

when skill reset WHY

steel prairie
proud swallow
#

it's very small caster scaling

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doesn't really justify a lvl 10 for me

opaque portal
#

Roll her and keep her at 1/1/1

Because you are books broke

proud swallow
#

15% of support caster on 10

opaque portal
#

You WILL need those books for NY and Anni

fickle bobcat
#

10/10/7 tbh

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she is like Dwife when there's no pierce sniper in the comp

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And she heals

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So

undone crown
#

10/10/7 because cindy will be hp scaling ScarletCopium

proud swallow
undone crown
#

en translation error

proud swallow
#

she increases max hp without restoring

undone crown
#

her s2 heals

proud swallow
#

wait what

fickle bobcat
#

she heals nex

echo geyser
undone crown
#

from what I heard

echo geyser
#

Surprise surprise

fickle bobcat
echo geyser
#

Can't trust en like ever

proud swallow
echo geyser
#

I even defended en against like 5 people

warm ginkgo
#

Dwife being 10/10/x at least I can justify her use in campaign. rouge on the other hand though

proud swallow
#

so this part heals?

fickle bobcat
echo geyser
echo geyser
fickle bobcat
#

Gacha player don't read

#

It's over

proud swallow
late shore
#

hey guys, is rogue must pull? Dentge

proud swallow
#

Rogue? new unit?

late shore
#

si

proud swallow
#

what's Rogue kit

echo geyser
#

I will do what mackii did now

jovial pawn
#

Pin

echo geyser
warm ginkgo
#

spam

echo geyser
echo geyser
late shore
fickle bobcat
#

XD

proud swallow
#

In the early 1980s, a computer game emerged that changed the world of fantasy gaming forever. Randomly generated rooms meant that each journey into the infamous Dungeons of Doom was unique. The potent combination of random generation with perma-death proved to be intoxicating, and the game was so influential it spawned an entire genre: "Rogue-li...

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▶ Play video
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AHHH Rogue

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yea

fickle bobcat
#

10/7/7 is good too

echo geyser
proud swallow
#

she stays 7/4/4 for now Bedge

echo geyser
#

Now I wait for AoE to be free

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I should've just bought fucking gamepass

fickle bobcat
#

I can barely 4/4/4

#

Collab dried me so hard

echo geyser
fickle bobcat
#

Forza 5?

echo geyser
#

Or do you like, invest to max

echo geyser
fickle bobcat
#

Asuka 10/10/10 Rei 4/4/7 Mari 7/4/7

worthy hare
daring elk
#

@echo geyser if she heals I’ll have to test without crown

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So I’ll use Mari in my tests

lime reef
#

10/7/4 is 7s cdr like dwife?

wanton flame
#

How high is needed for max cdr?

daring elk
#

Probs same as Dkw if her Cdr is scaling off lvls

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So 10

echo geyser
wanton flame
#

Not convinced at all that the other two skills are worth being that high yabai

echo geyser
daring elk
#

Her atk damage was in the other skill iirc

echo geyser
#

If it's above 1/1/1 I think it's a bit more crucial to have that unit leveled up

wanton flame
#

Yeah, and it's tiny even at level 10

daring elk
#

The only skill that you shouldn’t bother with is burst unless you want to use 2b

wanton flame
#

6.65% at level 10

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That's leviathan bait

fickle bobcat
#

Dwife is 5%

worthy hare
warm ginkgo
#

not having noir on tetra tower is really affecting my Alice performance who only have like 2 ammo lines kekw

daring elk
#

You telling me you ain’t minmaxing? kekw

echo geyser
#

But if you are working on other units, then you may leave rouge in dust for now

echo geyser
fickle bobcat
daring elk
fickle bobcat
#

I saw people rerolling 2b gears last raid

undone crown
tender vapor
#

I mean it really depends on how much resources you have

#

if you dont swipe for skill manuals, just remember that we have potentially good water dps and anni on the horizon and plan accordingly

daring elk
worthy hare
#

Gamers so traumatized by misspelling Rogue as Rouge that they misspell Rouge as Rogue

fickle bobcat
undone crown
#

ofc she is iron

tender vapor
#

all anni units are basically automatic 10/10/10 KEKW

daring elk
#

I didn’t build her treasure

steel prairie
#

I did the same mistake, lvl 7 sr right nowfeelssadman

uneven leaf
fickle bobcat
#

Rosco Siffredi

fair slate
#

She get her buff every rotation

steel prairie
#

yeah but there are only 5 slots on the crown teamkekw

fair slate
#

Liter alice sbs crown viperDoro

spice karma
#

so summer rosanna and noir are retired now right

fickle bobcat
#

Not at all

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I personally don't recommend resetting them

true stump
#

Noir is too underrated Doro

undone crown
#

I think noir will stay

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as a solo unit

rustic estuary
#

So is rouge strong

true stump
#

stronker than volume for sure

rustic estuary
#

Stronger than liter?

undone crown
#

no

mortal plank
#

Does Adjutant work for Rouge?

rustic estuary
#

Stronger than donkey kong?

undone crown
#

yes

true stump
rustic estuary
#

How many of her should i pull

#

30k gems left

mortal plank
fickle bobcat
#

Rouge can solo

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No need healer

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1-1-3

undone crown
#

1-1-3 ? blanc benched ? clueless

fickle bobcat
#

Fuck blanc

mortal plank
#

Rouge + Blanc is meta. )

steel prairie
undone crown
#

rouge mari tho

uneven leaf
#

Real question is if you run Rouge + Mari for pierce or Rouge + Rosco for sustain....

Do we even bother running bunnies? Do they even make the cut anymore?

Noir may indeed be resettable next reset

proud swallow
#

can someone tell which part of her kit is supposed to heal?

slate berry
mortal plank
#

I think i give Rouge Adjutant (charge speed) cube

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Does that work?

slate berry
proud swallow
#

she has 5 of them

#

or do all 5 heal?

slate berry
steel prairie
#

no

steel prairie
rustic estuary
#

Why is she skin and bones

proud swallow
#

so her S2 "heals" for sure

#

but S1 and burst increase without heal

drifting edge
proud swallow
#

no

ionic river
#

Rouge at least not game changer right? (70x pull nothing, make me want quit the game)

proud swallow
#

you see SBS has 2 stacks, implying it has Sword and Shield coin

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no heal

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i covered the run when everybody had max HP to not fall into the area of Rouge S1

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bursted, this is the result

dreamy oracle
#

Something heals for sure, I just tested with my Guillotine. I lose HP at the beginning and she was full health at the end of the fight NovelThink

proud swallow
#

and this is stage 3 of Rouge burst

proud swallow
#

what team did you use

dreamy oracle
#

Crown - Rouge - Guillotine - Maxwell - Ludmilla

proud swallow
#

Guillotine doesn't hurt herself like Scarlet does

wanton flame
#

???

#

Guillotine does hurt herself yabai

proud swallow
#

you get max hp -> your bar looks more empty -> the HP runs out -> you look full

wanton flame
#

S1

shrewd grove
wanton flame
#

It's not MAX HP down

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It's HP

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That's dealing damage to her

proud swallow
#

okay that made me curious imma run that team

wanton flame
#

Throw A2 in, too

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All three self-harming

dreamy oracle
wanton flame
#

Max HP buffs don't count as healing afaik

fading palm
#

is rogue crazy i got her

proud swallow
#

Rogue is a class in World of Warcraft

fading palm
#

i have no clue what that means

trim gorge
#

and a faction in Diablo too

wooden tulip
#

It's jover

proud swallow
#

i was here

#

and this was after

#

wtf is this interaction

wanton flame
#

Yeah, Rouge definitely heals

proud swallow
#

the 15% got added

#

wait for end

#

???????????????

wanton flame
#

A2 was able to activate her burst 2:50 into the fight aSataniaMuhaha

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Gotta love EN TLs

proud swallow
#

okay i need another test wahahaha

wanton flame
#

Did burst end?

#

S1 and burst both have durations

#

so your units are going to constantly change max hp values kek

proud swallow
#

look at the current HP tho

daring elk
#

@echo geyser did some scuffed initial tests at work kekw

echo geyser
trim gorge
#

why do you play game at work

#

💢

daring elk
daring elk
#

But too distracted

echo geyser
#

Max hp with heal:
Imagine if a unit is 50/100 hp
20% max hp buff = 70/120 hp
When max hp buff expires = 70/100 hp

Max hp without heal:
Unit is 50/100 hp
20% max hp without heal: 50/120
After buff expires: 50/100 hp

daring elk
#

Can’t manual rh properly kekw

#

Anyway

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Rouge is lvl 200 because I have no mats to 10 her s1

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So on electric team you can add at least 200 m

proud swallow
#

i can tell you why

daring elk
#

= volume ded

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Even sanis got more from rouge

proud swallow
daring elk
#

The other one was blanc noir liter vs rouge blanc flex b3

proud swallow
#

Rouge Double Sword Coin affects the whole team?

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even Anis has the perma HP buff

daring elk
#

That’s where I had bigger differences

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Again rh score is very scuffed cuz I was missing core hits from distraction

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But you can look at modernia dmg instead

proud swallow
daring elk
#

And compare noir with xlud

echo geyser
proud swallow
#

oh i didn't read the "when"

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so after 5th burst she heals for 15% of her max HP each burst

daring elk
#

@echo geyser fyi the runs with rh mod were on water union range

trim gorge
#

but but crit

daring elk
#

So none of them had elemental dmg bonuses

daring elk
#

And I expected the opposite kekw

#

Also forgot to mention volume is 4/5/5

#

And that’s pretty much it

rustic estuary
#

What kind of teams can i make with rouge?

echo geyser
steel prairie
proud swallow
#

@echo geyser update that kit finally i can count the pixels with my eyes closed

echo geyser
#

we can get more from a dps unit

daring elk
steel prairie
#

merc?

daring elk
#

The free one everyone can use at lvl 200

#

Tryout one

steel prairie
#

ohhh

#

thats what you meant with lvl 200

daring elk
#

Yea it’s capped at 200 and can’t use cubes

cerulean garden
#

is rouge same same as dwk?

daring elk
#

So electric team definitely rouge > volume

steel prairie
#

same same

cerulean garden
steel prairie
daring elk
#

But repping liter noir for extra dps that’s kinda tricky

proud swallow
daring elk
#

For tetra tower defo works

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For solo raid tho

#

Ehhh

#

Depends on the situation

steel prairie
#

tried against kraken, all 5 units survived when they usually die with crown and nagaViperSmug

drifting edge
# proud swallow ?

that s2 only heals once the first tiem it triggers.

its the burst skill part 2 that heals every time

daring elk
#

Wind weak raid can split blanc noir with noir going on sg team since they benefit from the hit rate buff if there’s core on the boss

proud swallow
#

unless you can show proof

daring elk
#

So can run sth like tove guilty/leona bsoda noir Leona/bunny Alice

#

But traditional solo raid

#

Very hard to outperform noir with mod I think

#

Like you’d need the extra dps to be of elemental advantage and have 80%+ ele for the benefit

#

@echo geyser I can try iron union range with sbs Alice bunnies liter vs rouge blanc sbs Alice mod to confirm that

cerulean garden
daring elk
#

Or sbs Alice ssakura

daring elk
echo geyser
#

do neutral ele if you want to

#

the idea is to replace noir with a good dps

daring elk
#

Sounds easy I’ll put it on full auto

#

On neutral ele

echo geyser
#

kk thanks Doro

daring elk
#

But Rei is kinda pepega compared to noir so it won’t really be a fair run

daring elk
#

Lb0 3 OL gears vs core 7

echo geyser
#

the idea is to replace noir with asuka

daring elk
#

Full OL

echo geyser
#

its fine

#

just run

daring elk
#

Alright

echo geyser
#

i wanna see end result

daring elk
#

Same boss water range

echo geyser
#

kk

smoky sun
#

official image from im game if you need

echo geyser
echo geyser
smoky sun
#

LOL

rustic estuary
#

What happens if you use 2 rouges

daring elk
#

Kinda Bruh

echo geyser
echo geyser
echo geyser
# daring elk

lol, kinda funny Doro

seems like for mg noir still superior

proud swallow
#

NAH MAN SOMEONE TAKE HIS MOD ROLE

steel prairie
proud swallow
#

mimimi no heal is shown therefore debunked

drifting edge
#

@proud swallow

night gull
#

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm to pull or not to pull

drifting edge
#

only used burst skill once btw

jovial pawn
#

Pull if can tho save ticket

#

Mileage

proud swallow
#

don't run anyone that also increases HP

#

only run rouge

drifting edge
night gull
#

zakathumbsup I fucking went through 600 tickets for Eva collab. Fuck you rei banner. Gonna need to save anyways

drifting edge
#

this guy kekw

proud swallow
drifting edge
#

yes

proud swallow
#

lol

night gull
undone crown
#

so does she heal or not

night gull
#

i fr do not need more of her

daring elk
proud swallow
daring elk
#

Low investment rei told you

drifting edge
daring elk
#

Her skills are not maxed either

drifting edge
#

burst skill part 2 can heal

daring elk
#

I didn’t bother with the collab units

drifting edge
#

and her s2 can heal but only 1st tiem it activates

daring elk
#

But not invested

#

One atk line tier 11

#

And skills are like 4 4 5

echo geyser
# daring elk

i think rei needs to be more built BlancStare

i think rei can match each other

daring elk
#

Can ask someone with more built rei

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I admit mine isn’t built at all

#

Same with asuka

#

0.3% massive object solo raid rank I suck

steel prairie
#

most people lack the resources to build 3 new units at onceKEKhands

daring elk
#

Fire was never priority for me regardless

#

Uninvested 2b Alice asuka rei mod

#

Yes even mod

#

I don’t have OL chest on her

#

Just 2 atk lines tier 11 to compensate a little

steel prairie
#

I spent the last month building my sbs so I can farm more rocks to build other units for example and my skill books went towards ein and exiafeelssadman

mortal plank
mortal plank
sharp wedge
drifting edge
sharp wedge
#

How do people not know that

trim gorge
#

it happens continuously

#

so heal once

daring elk
sharp wedge
echo geyser
sharp wedge
daring elk
#

I assume anomaly intercept ultra

#

Need to use my own rouge for that and she’s 1/1/1 rn kekw

little raft
#

don't you need snow white overkill damage due to how that core spawning mechanic thingamajig

daring elk
#

It’s more about to see how far rh can go in terms of solo damage

trim gorge
#

unlimited Snow burst

echo geyser
#

50 pulls
1 snowwhite
1 ludmilla
2 rouge

sharp wedge
#

Jk

echo geyser
#

snowwhite is such a big dub

#

1 more dupe away from mlb

#

goatwhite

daring elk
#

Meanwhile I am still swless after 14 months of play

viral barn
true stump
#

Liter, DKW, Crown, Rouge, SBS for Kraken?
Weak burst gen though Doro

daring elk
# sharp wedge Now try in Ultra

Imma try in like 30-40 min but it won’t be optimal since I need to raise rouge skills and I don’t have enough mats to cover everything

#

Her Cdr won’t be max

autumn hazel
steel prairie
#

I could test her, she is 7 1 6 right nowpepothink

wanton flame
#

Wait, does that mean we could have SW stonks? deluthonk

river edge
wanton flame
#

I wanna try this vs UR CB now

#

Just wreck CB's parts every single time

stray condor
#

I wonder if you can swap SHelm with Maxwell in case the boss is not iron weak

#

And achieve the same result

wanton flame
errant charm
marsh cedar
#

fucking blessed, got my sbs to core 3 with rogue rolls

echo geyser
#

But instead we have a
Rei Vs Noir

#

I guess we can't compete with liter bunnies

But if we throw liter to one of the top teams, rouge definitely fits in this teams easily DieselNOD

#

More or less a team 3/4 then if T5 is confirmed shotguns from now on

fickle bobcat
#

Why not rouge Rossana?

pearl carbon
#

and try it out on a defense stage

#

or base defense on that matter

jagged wind
pearl carbon
#

rip

daring elk
viral barn
daring elk
jagged wind
#

who said rouge can outlive triple bronchus

fickle bobcat
#

im so far from stage 7

viral barn
# viral barn 💀

10/1/1 rouge gear all lv0 here, dont take it the wrong way, she could pull it off if more investment i guess

fickle bobcat
#

no pierce units basically rouge and dwife 1-1

magic locust
#

Wait so is it confirmed like rouge doesn’t trigger crown?

fickle bobcat
#

yeah

#

sadly

slate berry
drifting edge
#

double sword coin will only heal once the first time it triggers

#

her burst will heal every time once you have shield coin however

slate berry
drifting edge
#

I think cube can give her 8 ammo

slate berry
#

I mean she cycles the cdr just fine

#

But she's getting shield coin later

wanton flame
#

Yeah, there was no hope that Crown would be triggered by Rouge

#

The only argument was whether any of her Max HP buffs could result in HP being restored

fickle bobcat
#

Sadly

#

Imagine rouge triggering crown s2

#

Damn rouge instant SSS no matter what

trim gorge
#

a trigger that happens after 50s or something

magic locust
#

Hmm so don’t bother pairing rogue with crown.

wanton flame
#

Correct

#

DKW/Liter are superior anyway, for the most part

#

Although for electric, Exia/Crown/Rogue is 👌

glacial warren
# uneven leaf now has heals for Crown & team, no longer punishing you for not taking Naga or B...

@echo geyser bad news. I just compiled the following…

Note on whether “Max HP” buffs are recovery effects:

  • Max HP buffs do not trigger Crown’s Royal Attire proc which has the condition of “recovery takes effect”
    • Noise’s burst works, the heal over time buff **is a recovery effect ** (not the gains on each heal tick!).
    • Helm’s burst works, the lifeleech buff **is a recovery effect ** (not the gains on each hit!).
    • Frima’s fully charged shot doesn’t work, the Max HP buff is **not a recovery effect ** (despite restoring health).
  • Rouge’s Max HP buffs are all the same type as Frima’s Max HP buffs, meaning **not a recovery effect **.
    • True of everything Rouge has which buffs Max HP, I tested them all.
    • RIP Rouge + Crown heals synergy, there’s none, nevermind the descriptions saying “without restoring health” anyway.
glacial warren
wanton flame
#

Mhm

proud swallow
#

man

#

Alice is so beyond lost

#

why is this a maincord mod

undone crown
glacial warren
#

So the heals start from 5th Rouge burst onwards

#

But only when she bursts, the rest doesn’t heal, and I was too lazy to determine if the Double Coin buff itself heals

#

Double Coin and the burst’s trigger possibly happen at the same time, then only the burst’s trigger thereafter

#

Or possibly you need a 6th burst to see heals from bursting with a Double Coin in play

wanton flame
#

S2 second line does thonk

#

but only once iirc

glacial warren
#

Then that means 5th burst has boosted healing from the two Max HP buffs kicking in

#

Then 6th+ just from the one Max HP buff from bursting

#

Tbh this is very good for berserkers on very easy fights KEKW

#

Scarlet won’t be at 1hp every burst, maybe, once Rouge gets to 5+ bursts

#

But too bad, the fight was already very easy!

lime reef
#

So volume is forever dead with rouge as b1?

wanton flame
#

Nah. Depends on raid

#

Doro might get the axe first due to her need for a friend

#

Water raids, Volume's probably out

#

Electric, Fire, and Iron? RIP Doro

undone crown
#

or you're someone like me a doroless person and you finally got your 4th b1 cdr

lime reef
#

So volume stays around to take down elemental QTEs?

undone crown
#

also someone has to test it but volume might be better than doro without priv

wanton flame
lime reef
#

Is doro priv duo that bad?

wanton flame
#

Doro provides nothing for Alice

#

Privaty does

#

As long as Alice is tied to Crown/Privaty, Doro gets wrecked

undone crown
#

doro is there because she is the only b1

#

thats free

wanton flame
#

so for water raids, when we can go Doro/Crown/SBS/Alice/Privaty for high damage, she works

lime reef
#

So doro can be replaced and still maintain priv?

wanton flame
#

but for fire-weak raids, we want Liter or DKW with Alice since she's a main DPS

#

For Electric-weak Raids, Exia/Rogue will slot in, so maybe Doro/Privaty in another team thonk

lime reef
#

You mean fire weak?

errant charm
wanton flame
#

Fire-weak, yeah, sorry

cerulean garden
lime reef
#

Hmm

wanton flame
#

Iron-weak raids are the only time we'll want a B2 CDR unit cuz S Helm is stonks then

undone crown
#

volume gives almost negligible buffs

#

but they are buffs nonetheless

lime reef
#

Doesn’t doro do respectable damage?

wanton flame
#

She can, but does it outweight losing an entire full burst?

errant charm
#

yeah, she takes sometimes 2s cd

lime reef
#

Why does it lose a full burst?

undone crown
#

doro has less cdr

wanton flame
#

Without Privaty, she can't keep up on CDR

undone crown
#

compared to other b1 cdr's

wanton flame
#

It's like Volume/Liter without the third stack

#

but the entire fight

lime reef
#

I’m assuming you’re running her with priv

#

Doro priv

wanton flame
#

Then your Alice is gimped

lime reef
#

That’s what I don’t understand I guess

#

Is volume priv better?

wanton flame
#

DKW/Liter with Priv is better

#

Volume is better than no-Priv Doro

#

Neither are in T1

lime reef
#

Oh

undone crown
#

with rouge we can free liter or dkw

wanton flame
#

We want to buff Alice/SBS with a good B1

undone crown
#

depending on raid

#

so alice/sbs or whatever the best team that raid gets the premium treatment

wanton flame
#

Doro only really works out well enough in water-weak raids since she's elementally effective and benefitting much more from Crown

lime reef
#

I see

wanton flame
#

Liter generally gets that slot in other raids to buff SBS, and DKW can steal the slot to buff Alice in fire-weak raids

#

For Electric, we're likely see S Anis/Ein steal Crown from Alice/SBS, so Exia/Rogue is likely to be the norm (as opposed to Exia/Dolla from last time)

lime reef
#

Guh. Here I thought I was sous chef level, but turns out, I’m only a line cook

undone crown
#

next one is probably water weak so doro will get the spot