#[Rouge] New Unit Megathread

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autumn hazel
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Fair enough

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Gimmick for the sake of a gimmick

trim gorge
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for PVP

marsh shore
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Cdr is not that needed in pvp

autumn hazel
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You are never activating her skills in pvp

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Unless you are a wizard or bad

marsh shore
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It's just who nukes faster competition. Cdr doesn't do much there

autumn hazel
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If you reach 30 shots in pvp

  1. Fucking how
  2. Why
marsh shore
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Cdr, 30 shots, 5 bursts, ... Yeah sure if you can do all that before scarlet nukes you

sharp hearth
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Nowadays, PVP just as quick as one burst

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so CDR units are not really shine...

regal light
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Oh, Rouge's rifle has good sound effects.

sharp hearth
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Blanc: "Sister?"
Rogue: "Eh?"

autumn hazel
sharp hearth
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Rogue allow commander to ditch Noir as Rogue also trigger Blanc's buffs

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These days NTR is everywhere

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First Tia gets cuckolded by a nudist.
Now Noir gets cuckolded by a blackjack dealer.

autumn hazel
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What does noir herself do?

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Also now i can run mod with bunnies and not feel bad about it

sharp hearth
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Decent dmg, trigger Blanc's cooldown

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but with Rogue also CDR almost entire team

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Blanc can safely enter 20s cycle burst

marsh shore
autumn hazel
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Doubt ill reset my noir because i use her in pvp

jagged wind
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gib ammo

marsh shore
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Also some atk and hit rate buff

jagged wind
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for mg, noir provides ammo and burst gen

shotgun just shotgun

viral barn
wanton flame
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So lesser DKW and 2B's best friend? KEKL

autumn hazel
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As a mast stan i have to pretend she isnt real

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What do we call bunnies now?

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Just blanc?

trim gorge
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nah

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Stake

sharp hearth
rustic estuary
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Should i pull rouge

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I think i like her style (only second to rapunzel)

sharp hearth
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waifu yes

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decent yes

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meta, no

rustic estuary
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Not even meta for tower?

sharp hearth
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Tetra tower?

autumn hazel
sharp hearth
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^

rustic estuary
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Yes my tetra tower is stuck below 300

sharp hearth
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but you do fine without Rogue in Tetra tower

spice harness
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you call 20s b1 cdr non meta? CDCSenaStare

trim gorge
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she's Meta

autumn hazel
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She isnt stronger than liter so no

trim gorge
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not Facebook

autumn hazel
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:)

wanton flame
trim gorge
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deal with it

wanton flame
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Because one member of 777 isn't there

rustic estuary
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So shes strongest b1 tetra

autumn hazel
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Yeah lol

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If you no pull you are silly (or truly gemless)

wanton flame
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Aside from treasure Exia w/S Anis

rustic estuary
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Man i just finished upgrading all of volumes equipment

wanton flame
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OLs on Volume? yabai

autumn hazel
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You OLd volume?

rustic estuary
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Yeah

autumn hazel
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Wack

wanton flame
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Madman

trim gorge
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sane man

rustic estuary
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Well she is getting treasure later anyway

wanton flame
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In Nikke 2, sure

autumn hazel
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Surely

wanton flame
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Sadly her usage rate is way too high

autumn hazel
wanton flame
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CDR so powerful that the rest of the kit doesn't matter

spice harness
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but rouge won’t replace volume in tetra tower for a good while since mine is already c7 deadge

wanton flame
trim gorge
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Volume's treasure

trim gorge
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she now grants ATK buff from her S1 to team

autumn hazel
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Atk buffing volume is spooky

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But also makes her worse on 2b lmao

spice harness
trim gorge
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not worse

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if you add bonus on top

autumn hazel
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Oh true

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So adding actual skills to her kit

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But i dont want a volume treasure because i like leaving her at 1/1/1

wanton flame
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I have her at 1/4/7 delugiggle

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T9Ms forever tho yabai

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Can at least reset skills on occasion

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No take backsies on OL gear

autumn hazel
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D still used on Exia team right?

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Unless Co-Op?

gray badger
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Considering how Rouge and D: Wife provide equal amounts of CDR

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and you don't burst with D: Wife on the Exia team

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Rouge is a good substitute

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she also benefits from the Electric buffs on S. Anis and Exia, where D: Wife does not.

autumn hazel
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Rouge also gives a slight damage buff even if its small

gray badger
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Admittedly, neither Rouge or D: Wife are going to have much in the way of personal DPS, but every bit helps.

autumn hazel
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But in solo raid i think you still use dwife on exia team

gray badger
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Why would you?

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D: Wife has better teams. Rouge likely won't

autumn hazel
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Rouge would probably give more overall damage for 777

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Than you would with dwife/liter

gray badger
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Without bursting, Rouge gives a slightly higher buff than D: Wife, and shares Electric Type for S. Anis and Exia

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D: Wife also wants to buff Pierce Snipers, and neither Exia or Ein have Pierce

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Well, correction--one of the luxuries of the Crown+Exia team is that you have 3 DPS---Exia, Ein, and S.Anis, and two of them buff the others

autumn hazel
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That slight damage increase on exia would probably be less than the damage increase of a third dps on 777 (probably)

gray badger
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Rouge only gives persistent buffs to the DPS on either side of her

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Also, as an aside, if you use Rouge, you have the option of substituting Crown in the Exia team for Blanc

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which gives you more team flexibility

autumn hazel
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Idk though you may be right but in coop rouge is 100% better

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Same with union but i care so little about union

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With how easy it already is

jagged wind
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i think b2 support will be element meta in future

but crown exist, so standard of b2 is too high

cursive pine
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rouge blanc over b1 srosanna for neutral fire team? (Asuka/rei/mod)

jagged wind
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yea, but where burst gen

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i forget if Indivilia AI has dispel debuff or not

jagged wind
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base asuka is 20, scarlet level but better reload
mg needs a lot of ammo because long reload

marble delta
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anniversary unit HP dps Doro

true stump
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NoirStare still has a place in (non elec-weakness) SG comp

sharp hearth
granite ravine
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cant wait to make a proper 2B team

gray badger
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Which should make her CDR a bit more consistent in the Exia-Crown Electric team without needing any Max Ammo OL lines

wet aspen
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dayum that's right , rouge opens blanc to sanis lol , poor noir

gray badger
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In isolation, assuming both Nikke can burst, D: Wife will almost always be better than Rouge

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But in the context of the Exia-Crown-S. Anis team. Rouge and D: Wife are just there to provide CDR, and Rouge provides slightly better utility + benefits from the Electric buffs while D: Killer Wife would prefer to be on another team

undone crown
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I'm calling it now Cindy will scale off her hp so we will get rouge blanc cindy 2b DPS comp

true stump
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my guess is Cindy will scale off her def NeonHeh

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is Rouge PVP meta?

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she needs to launch 30 full charge shots nvm

stray condor
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Rouge, Mast, 2B, Guillotine, flex

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Possible?

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I wish they'd rerun Nier, I want A2's booty, didn't managed to get her

fickle bobcat
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So with rouge we can finally bench doro

wanton flame
fickle bobcat
wanton flame
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Outside of fire raids, I think it's Volume getting benched

true stump
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Doro vs VolumePadoru

wanton flame
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Not much reason to not use Doro/Priv with Crown outside of fire raids since SBS is the main DPS

fickle bobcat
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Well in neutral raids for Alice and SBS where doro priv is part of their team yeah

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Volume out

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I call the next raid land eater

autumn hazel
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@marsh cedar did you get doro after saying that

stuck maple
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as person who only check meta once in full moon the out of nowhere "putting S Rossana in grave" at pins make me chuckle

fickle bobcat
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Welcome to nerd meta thread

jagged wind
sharp wedge
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Useless.

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Trash.

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Does not threaten Summer Rosanna.

sharp wedge
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Snake always gives false verdicts.

jagged wind
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the same person telling srossana is future

sharp wedge
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Not really

proud swallow
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what are you talking

modern niche
sharp wedge
proud swallow
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i aint readin all that

sharp wedge
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Also Tove Blanc SG SG Rouge cooking possible.

true stump
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ah yeah SG team is still wasting 1-2 sec CD per FB

sharp wedge
late shore
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bsoda is the cornerstone of SG team dps though

sharp wedge
sharp wedge
proud swallow
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sAnis supports Ein

fading vigil
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Is 2B climbing out of her grave again? kekw

sharp wedge
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New teams:

  • Liter SRos Asuka Rei Mod
  • Rouge Crown Alice SBS Privaty
  • D:Wife Mari RH Maxwell XLud
  • Dorothy Tia SAnis Ein Naga
  • Tove Blanc SG SG Noir
proud swallow
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for what boss man

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you know ele is a thing

sharp wedge
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Iron weak.

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Every single comp has Iron.

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Skill issue.

proud swallow
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you think they do

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Iron Iron Wind Elec Fire Iron?

sharp wedge
sharp wedge
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Anniv is Water cus Cindy.

proud swallow
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water?

sharp wedge
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That's anniv.

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Cindy.

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They need to go back to Iron before going Water.

viral barn
timid shard
timid shard
autumn hazel
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Thank you

left beacon
proud swallow
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nice spam deadge

spice harness
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he's rogue one now

wanton flame
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My bet's on Land Eater next and October SR feature unit being better Guillotine to piggyback on Rogue KEKL

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Also, S Anis Ein vs Iron-weak boss, really? AnisBruh

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And imagine not using S Helm vs Iron-weak KEKL

fickle bobcat
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So, imma skip then

sharp wedge
wanton flame
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All that matters is the CDR delugiggle

spice harness
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imagine skipping cdr

hard summit
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Good! Makes me less frustrated for having to mileage Mari after two off rates in 80ish pulls and not having any fckin pulls

true stump
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Rouge is far better than Volume as B1, imo
Rouge alone can work as a Pseudo healer, and no healer comp is much easier with her

hard summit
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Being better than volume is not that impressing or hard to achieve anyways wahahaha

viral barn
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Literally a filler banner

wet aspen
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Xdd no

hard summit
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I should thank them for not making her bad when she has such a cool looking. I'll put her on my wishlist and save normal tickets till then

magic locust
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And pray to get her

hard summit
wet aspen
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Yeah still haven't gotten regular lud lol

hard summit
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I'll try to use the gems and tickets they'll give on event to pull on her banner, if not whatever

true stump
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Rogue is a raid meta(team 3/4/5) imo LiterSip
CDR, Pseudo heal, ATK damage 6.65% up, 15% ATK buff(around 12% in reality) can't be bad

little raft
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pseudo heal? its not even healing

true stump
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max hp up is a psuedo heal

little raft
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without affecting your current hp, its just max hp buff

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no heal whatsoever

true stump
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there are two type of max hp up buffs

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rouge has both

little raft
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Dunno where is this both you're referring to

true stump
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ok let's assume your HP is now 100
and you get 20% max hp up buff
then you take 10 damages during the effect
now after the effect expires, what is your hp?

little raft
drifting edge
little raft
little raft
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until the unit comes out

wet aspen
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And being able to remove noir for an actual good dps

true stump
little raft
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no changes to your current hp, literally the only thing change is the max hp

light axle
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Yeah it should act like masts burst

true stump
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this isn't going anywhere
it all depends on if the EN TL is wrong or not

light axle
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Give you the HP but not heal it

true stump
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in jp text, the line 2 buff description is clearly different from line 1 and 3

fickle bobcat
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Frank

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Skip

drifting edge
fickle bobcat
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You don't need her rn

little raft
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I work with what I see

light axle
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I am a meta slave afterall

true stump
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yeah let's wait and we will see
Anyway, it probably doesn't matter at all Because Rouge is likely to be paired with Blanc

fickle bobcat
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She ain't meta imo

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Well I'm casual so imma skip

spice harness
fickle bobcat
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No I said must pull

spice harness
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🪓

fickle bobcat
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I mean rouge is good really good

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New people and raid malders need her

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But idk I prefer to save my gems for a good unit dps

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And yeah even if I was top 62 last raid I consider myself a casual player

light axle
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But tbh I would rather use gems and tickets here than to go another 300 pulls on another pilgrim banner without a single copy

fickle bobcat
loud meadow
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Dps - rogue - dps - blanc - dps?

true stump
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I just realized Rouge burst (when in double sword coin status) kills Noir's S1 lmaocry

trim gorge
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Volume

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SG

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also Volume with Sanis?

sharp hearth
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dorothy usually with sanis

fickle bobcat
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Actually rouge is electric

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So B1 CDR electric

spice harness
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so we got b1 cdr for each element now?

stray condor
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Water is like wet fart for them0

spice harness
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isn't dororo water

ionic river
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Should i pull Rouge if i have Volume and all others CDR? With anni close, and my resource drained by collab, this making a dilemma.

median reef
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So she is basically b1 cdr heal with slight buffs

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Sounds like easy pull

magic locust
wanton flame
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Like with Bay's kit aSataniaMuhaha

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someone ask this person to ss their solo raid score KEKL

fickle bobcat
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Maybe he is 3,01%

undone crown
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ah yes the reddit, classic

echo geyser
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Rouge is must pull raids

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Not must pull others

magic locust
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Just gotta pray for luck later

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Low spenders are broke atm

north loom
# echo geyser Not must pull others

i just have one question - does she make Tetra Tower easier compared to Volume? Does she permanently bench Volume in that mode and else where?

drifting edge
echo geyser
north loom
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oic, so more of a newb must have unit. i'm relatively new and haven't put anything into volume (spare bodies, skillpoints or gear investment) so i suppose rouge's more important in my situation then

magic locust
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Draining you pre-anni

wanton flame
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Surely the banner right before will be another Quiry CopiumAnimated

magic locust
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I can get away with 0.x% in raid without DKW, I can get away without Rouge Copium

wanton flame
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I'd argue for new players who already have Volume, Rouge would actually be a trap thonk

viral barn
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You are going into an anniversary and Christmas and new year all together BlancStare dont pull for just raid shiet

wanton flame
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If someone has mileage ready for anni already, then I could see it

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but only one CDR unit is needed for non-raid content, and neither Rouge nor Volume are particularly strong outside of their cdr

magic locust
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But what if hey give Rouge a bunny suit mission pass Copium

wanton flame
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Then get the skin and pray for wishlist to deliver kek

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or spooks during anni

north loom
wanton flame
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3rd to 17th will be raid meta

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so 17th is the only one to hope for skip kek

cerulean garden
magic locust
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Cindy/ then xLud+ new limited

wanton flame
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Rouge really is only worth the immediate pull if:

  • You are highly motivated to improve score in raids.
  • You don't own Volume (or any other CDR unit) yet
  • You own Blanc
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Veterans should be able to budget their own gacha resources by now based on their spending practices hup

echo geyser
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Cuz she's... Better than them

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However she is anti synergy with 2 famous campaign units

Alice and A2

wanton flame
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Better than Doro in single team content I'm not keen on agreeing with

light axle
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The fact that I can use S.Anis on Tetra tower now without her Ammo being fucked by noir is already a win win

echo geyser
light axle
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Rouge Blanc Alice S.Anis X.lud

wanton flame
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Yes, for a complete loss of damage and mob clear capability

echo geyser
echo geyser
light axle
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Ohh didn't think about the max HP shit

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True

wanton flame
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Also Privaty's a free unit, so Doro's CDR is perfectly fast

little raft
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Alice won't lose her pierce forever since she can just shoot her health back, but it will definitely affect dps if you're fighting pierce-able boss

wanton flame
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Also a potential advantage of Dolla is the abilit to use Exia with S Anis akkoShrug

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The fact that CDR is the only thing going for Rouge is why I think she's a trap for new players

daring elk
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A friend of mine directed me here, didn’t know I already became famous in commcord, thanks for the free advertisement HoodThumbsUp

cerulean garden
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2 weeks for christmas banner and 2 weeks for new years right?

daring elk
viral barn
wanton flame
daring elk
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Anyway since there’s no real constructive discussion here there’s no point to give my reasons why I wrote those comments. Only thing I’d say, @trim gorge kinda disappointed at you brother, you know how shotgun pellets work

trim gorge
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what

wanton flame
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Oh wait, MC raid kek

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My b

trim gorge
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you do know that SG NEEDS Tove

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not a random ass Volume right?

viral barn
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Damn Heli cooks them back dabmeleft Fire

daring elk
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I know. But when I said volume and SG I didn’t mean SG Team

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I meant SG individually

trim gorge
daring elk
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You can run shotguns like sanis in separate teams you know

trim gorge
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I only read what's in the screenshot

little raft
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fight fight fight fight!

trim gorge
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also, Sanis normally goes with Doro due to both are slave to Priv

daring elk
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Whatever, maybe I was a bit vague

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Well not anymore, you see more and more priv pulled from doro

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Including last solo raid

trim gorge
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well Doro will be kicked soon

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no more slot for her

echo geyser
trim gorge
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we have Rouge now

daring elk
median reef
daring elk
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But yeah, I think rouge is over exaggerated but I’ll let people test n confirm for themselves

echo geyser
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It is Doro Vs Volume Vs Rouge

wanton flame
little raft
median reef
echo geyser
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@daring elk

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.

median reef
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Can slot as a healer with someone like Mari

wanton flame
median reef
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Idk

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Bunnies with shotguns mostly

echo geyser
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Essentially, no matter how good volume is

DWife and liter are always better

The fight is bw Doro Vs Rouge Vs volume

median reef
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EN mistranslate

little raft
wanton flame
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Imagine believing EN TLs which messed up even the first banner of the game kek

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Remember when Helm had an AoE burst? kekYep

light axle
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Wait... I just realized something....

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Does that mean we are now going to get nikkes that their skills revolve around their HP like 2B despairge

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Cindy kit in a nutshell frfr

little raft
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context wise, it's just odd that only the shield coin form alone has that hp heal buff

daring elk
# echo geyser <@426679938393833473>

I saw that and I still can’t feel like having rouge with blanc. Rouge has no real benefits to dps units, her atk damage is low and only applies to 2, and her atk buff is self atk. People bash noir but forget about ammo refund etc which is heavy when running MG for example etc

wanton flame
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I think October first banner unit is going to synergize with Rouge

echo geyser
echo geyser
daring elk
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Rouge only truly benefits electric teams with exia since she’s electric herself and until now people used Dkw solely because there was nothing better

And 2b/guillotine

median reef
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Actually make sense

light axle
echo geyser
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Liter blanc Rei Noir Mod

Vs

Rouge Blanc Rei B3 Mod

Second team is on same level, if not better, especially since it can heal like it's loved one is on ventilator

wanton flame
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Until we finally get a wind MG DPS when Noir will still be in there KEKL

echo geyser
daring elk
echo geyser
little raft
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but lets see

wanton flame
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What I'm more interested in is how vital CS/Max Ammo rolls are going to be on her

echo geyser
median reef
wanton flame
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There's literally no difference in the trigger

echo geyser
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The idea has always been that 3 DPS > 2 DPS

Only true exception is Tia + Naga when core uptime is high

little raft
wanton flame
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I just wonder how that makes sense yabai

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Feels like Bay kit TLs 2.0 delugiggle

daring elk
trim gorge
echo geyser
viral barn
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Rouge enjoys abit of sunshine before anniversary nikke sends her thread to oblivion domohoi

trim gorge
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they crit independently

echo geyser
trim gorge
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really

daring elk
echo geyser
trim gorge
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huh

daring elk
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And also core hits

trim gorge
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let's say

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you have 10 pellets

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6 of them crit

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that's 60% crit chance

little raft
daring elk
trim gorge
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your dmg is increased by 6 x 1.5 + 4 = 13 which means 30% dmg up

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now a normal RL shot, with 60% chance to crit

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it's also 30% dmg increased, averagely

daring elk
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Each pellet counts as a separate hit. It has its own crit chance. Volume s2 provides crit dmg buff as well. Shotguns in general have low core hit rate (if there even is core)

trim gorge
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I get the core hit part

cerulean garden
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what if condy converts allies hp to atk DoroWutDahel

trim gorge
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but the crit, it's literally the same in average

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60% crit chance on one shot, or 10 pellets shot, they give same damage up in average duh

daring elk
trim gorge
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nah

daring elk
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You have 60% on one shot vs 60% on 10. One can miss, the 10 each of them will have their % chance

trim gorge
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if you throw the coin 10 times, or 1 time

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chance to have head or tail

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is still 50%

wanton flame
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No

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Not if you're assuming a series

daring elk
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If you hit once without crit you have 100% damage. If you hit 10 shots with 3 of them critting you already have higher damage

median reef
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And then you get lower %

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Average is still the same

trim gorge
wanton flame
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The likelihood of a 50% result being the same halves each time

median reef
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More shots just mean more consistent

trim gorge
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I'm working for an online casino, I should lure you into playing it

daring elk
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And SGs have more shots so that’s why there’s more consistency in critting there

echo geyser
trim gorge
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doesn't matter in the long run, throughout 180s, crit chance will equal back to the same

echo geyser
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Since the chance of critting is technically higher due to their being more shots

daring elk
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Another thing to have in mind. Both bunny soda and maid priv - the staple shotguns, have crit damage buffs

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On their skills

echo geyser
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You know this gatrix, why are you doing this kekw

trim gorge
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it doesn't work like that Snake

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you can say

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throughout 10 shots, chance to have AT LEAST 1 crit is higher

wanton flame
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SGs can get "partial" crits

trim gorge
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but chance to crit as much as a normal shot, they are the same

daring elk
trim gorge
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and back to my example, SG needs to have 6 pellets crit to match a 60% chance crit during 1 shot of RL

wanton flame
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If all pellets crit, that's even damage to other weapons assuming those weapons also crit at equal rate. But if some pellets crit, that's more damage than a standard shot from another weapon

daring elk
trim gorge
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yes but if some pellets crit (but not 6/10) and the RL crit

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you lose dmg

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see the balance?

daring elk
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So the odds of having at least one of those 10 crit to the single shot from other instance is way higher

trim gorge
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you win some, lose some, equal some, and in the long run, you are equal

daring elk
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That’s where you need to also calculate that crit rate in general is very low

trim gorge
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I don't call 15% low

daring elk
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So your RL odds of crit are quite lower than a shotgun

trim gorge
wanton flame
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It's low compared to a lot of games

echo geyser
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15% is fucking awful

trim gorge
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not HSR, and it's not mathematically

median reef
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Actually less consistent crits is better in this game, because you have infinite amounts of retries, so less amounts of shot is technically better for crit fishing, but in reality it is only useful for someone like sw or mv

wanton flame
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Like Monster Hunter and GBF allow for 100% crit heh

trim gorge
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if we say 15% base, it means among 20 shots, 3 of them should crit

true stump
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time(raid duration) is finite though Doro
24h x 7 - 7h = 161h

wanton flame
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Warframe allows for 500% crit chance (technically no ceiling) KEKL

daring elk
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And again - bunny soda and maid priv have big self crit dmg buffs. So they benefit even harder from having the crit buffs volume(or Leona provides). It’s just that Leona covers what volume does so that’s why it’s detrimental to use her with them

trim gorge
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for SG, it's around 30 pellets crit

daring elk
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And leonas buffs are longer

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But if you want to separate shotgun teams (since sanis loses value in 15 second burst durations compared to 10 sec) - volume was the best non exia option during MC raid

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And you can see in Enikk that sanis teams used that

echo geyser
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Idk what the argument is in general

While volume might be better for s.anis, there is her partner to consider about, who is doing more damage than anis (Ein)

trim gorge
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I just make my point about crit helping Pellets

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it doesn't

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it just creates an illusion of "looking better"

daring elk
trim gorge
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but we are looking at a high amount of shot

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it should be averaged out

wanton flame
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Liter had a higher average damage and damage floor

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It was only the max that was higher in Volume's favor

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Malding required sadsimp

daring elk
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Crit malding KekHold

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But I assume it from self experience because my sanis is higher ele dmg and cores than ein

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With volume sanis Maxwell team I did more damage than with doro sanis ein

wanton flame
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Probably also depends on people's investment levels

daring elk
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In the MC

wanton flame
#

I think a lot of people leave Volume at 4/4/4 (if that)

daring elk
#

Liter can work on equal grounds if you ran ein guillo with sanis who are also greedy self dps

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But if you ran with support dps n such you could actually dish out quite big numbers just with sanis alone

wanton flame
#

well, we have a Mirror Container in AI that can be used for practical testing now kek

daring elk
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I did like 1.3b solo with sanis and I don’t even have the doll at 15 and only 11% atk (tho high ele dmg)

trim gorge
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higher ele helps a lot bruh

daring elk
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I know

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I meant 1.3b without having 40% atk and sr 15 doll KekHold

trim gorge
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what does 30% atk do on Sanis who has 50% on her own, 50% from Crown

daring elk
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Ehh self attack buffs 🤮

trim gorge
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and depend on Exia/Liter, adds another 30 ~ 60% atk

daring elk
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Actually didn’t have exia in my runs in MC there

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I never bothered treasuring her

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Guess I’m slacking too much

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But a rouge megathread turned into crit to shotgun discussion lol

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I’ll just summarize it shortly and leave it like that

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  1. 10 pellets - higher crit chance overall, higher chance to deal more than base damage.

  2. staple shotgun units like soda and privaty have huge crit dmg self buffs

trim gorge
true stump
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Crit is more consistent for higher fire rates weapons (MG/SG/SMG)
higher fire rate doesn't increase crit rate AliceHappy

trim gorge
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^

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because you shoot faster doesn't mean you will crit more. You will reach equilibrium easier

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then we look at Snow

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she can crit 6 times in a row

wanton flame
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That assumes the equilibrium happens in less than 3 minutes heh

trim gorge
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and she can not crit anything over 100 retries

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if you know MG can shoot up to 10800 shots

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that's a hella big number of shots

daring elk
#

On the rouge part:

  1. She has low atk values. Trading noir (which is a decent dps anyway and provides ammo refunds as well) to another b3 that can arguably do higher dmg through bursts and trading liter/volume for practically zero offensive buffs is questionable - only through real tests it can be confirmed. This can truly be tested in tetra tower wall levels (the ones with barbells).

  2. Generally speaking, rouge is 100% better than counterparts in two scenarios - exia team where you use her as a Cdr unit that benefits from exia since she’s also electric. And for teams that utilize guillotine and 2b. For other teams, will have to test to confirm if 1. Is true or false

wanton flame
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Kilo forgotten

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I am curious to see what Rouge can do for HP-based nukers in PvP delulove2

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even if it's just meme

daring elk
# true stump Crit is more consistent for higher fire rates weapons (MG/SG/SMG) higher fire r...

It’s just the way the shotgun hit works. It’s one hit but split into 10. So the shotgun hits are a bit different than standard hits because each pellet counts on its own. In this regard, the odds of at least one pellet critting are very high. Thus, shotguns usually deal more than the base damage with pretty much every hit. The thing that is a variable is how many pellets crit. In this case, the total damage from a single hit can vary based on the crits. So shotgun crits are not 100% crits. This is where crit buffs help both with upping the crit chance of each pellet while also buffing the crit dmg to increase the variables

white rampart
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Rouge + Blanc + 3 dps
Noir to SG/ MG comp

wanton flame
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Does this mean we can finally use treasure Diesel in MG comp? kek

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Diesel/Noir KEKL

white rampart
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If u have about 700 ammo on Diesel then we dont need Noir

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But it's better to run a more aggressive B2

wanton flame
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Yup

indigo cave
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a single pellet crit is worth a lot less than something like a RL crit

wanton flame
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Until we get that pierce MG

white rampart
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If that 30% pierce dmg buff was atk buff

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Diesel treasure for Mod 100%

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For sure

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Until we have someone give pierce to MGs

wanton flame
trim gorge
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think like this

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50% crit chance RL 1 shot

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vs 5 / 10 pellets always crit

echo geyser
wanton flame
echo geyser
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It's just that SG scale better with crit cuz they don't core hit

That's the only real argument

echo geyser
trim gorge
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now tell me, if the outcome is the same

wanton flame
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Otherwise we'd be guaranteed 4 SSRs every 100 pulls sip

trim gorge
#

yes

echo geyser
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In 3 minutes, both units hit a fuckton of shots

trim gorge
#

WE

white rampart
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What's that stupid name

trim gorge
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doesn't mean you only

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sadly

white rampart
#

Skibidibidibidi

trim gorge
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Toilet

white rampart
trim gorge
echo geyser
trim gorge
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but I born in 1993 too

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may be

white rampart
#

Honestly that skibidi toilet videos are not that crigne

trim gorge
#

in Asia, everything looks young

white rampart
#

It's just too annoying

trim gorge
white rampart
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My cousins sing it everyday

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Skibidibidibidi

trim gorge
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show it this master-peace

white rampart
#

Glad that I grew up with Mr.Bean

trim gorge
#

teach it dubstep and hardstyle

indigo cave
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if you have 10% crit chance and a crit doubles your dmg (100%), and you do 100 shots, each shot doing 10 dmg base (1 base for sg):
100 RL shots = 90 normal + 10 crits = 900 + 200 = 1100
100 SG shots = 900 normal pellets + 100 crit pellets = 900 + 200 = 1100

white rampart
indigo cave
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100 > 10, but 100/1000 = 10/100

wanton flame
trim gorge
#

but it works like that

white rampart
#

Anyway

daring elk
#

Mathematically yes

wanton flame
#

It doesn't though

white rampart
#

Noir to SG make Sugar cope work better

daring elk
#

But mathematically I should be getting 1 ssr every 25 pulls

white rampart
#

More ammo

daring elk
#

And I’m not getting ssr in 150

white rampart
daring elk
trim gorge
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as I said

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WE

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not YOU

indigo cave
#

but you can also keep rerolling until you get 2 SSRs in a 10 pull

trim gorge
#

the 4% applies to the WHOLE Server

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not about you

indigo cave
#

that's what restarting the fight does

trim gorge
#

never about you

#

I highly recommend you not touching any Online Casino

wanton flame
#

The whole server's results don't matter to an individual

daring elk
#

I just want that 2 ssr in one 10 pull in Cinderella banner

wanton flame
daring elk
#

Hopefully 2 Cinderella’s too

white rampart
trim gorge
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cuz when you see Return to player 99%, you will think you have 99% chance to win

daring elk
#

Anyway just blew up my Reddit cover (not that I use Reddit too much anyway)

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But yea the topic became a lot more lively

trim gorge
daring elk
#

Now I can just bail out kthxbai

trim gorge
#

you won't say hi to your dear friend Texas?

white rampart
#

Anyway we will have

trim gorge
daring elk
trim gorge
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oh not this one

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@sage raft

daring elk
#

Who’s that

trim gorge
#

damn I thought you two were closed

white rampart
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1: Rouge Blanc
2: Tia Naga D
3: Liter
4: Dorothy/ Volume
5:SG

daring elk
#

Not rly

white rampart
#

Volume and Dorothy will compete for that final CDR slot

daring elk
#

I have no idea who that is kekw

trim gorge
#

I will run Volume all day

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unless you can put Priv there

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Doro without Priv, AT MAX, can trigger her s1 TWICE

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now you do the meth

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how many seconds are reduced?

white rampart
#

At least she deal dmg too

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Also I almost forget about SW

trim gorge
#

until you reach 3s cdr every rotation

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which happens to me on Pilgrim tower

white rampart
#

But SR mechanic nowadays have a " ele shield "

trim gorge
#

actually 4 ~ 5

white rampart
#

Which make comp combine kinda more weird

white rampart
#

But mostly Priv is with Crown

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And Alice SBS are with them

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Last raid ppl used Dorothy alone in a full AR comp

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Cause that comp has slow burst gen

trim gorge
#

still wonky as fk

wanton flame
#

It really depends on element

trim gorge
#

but if it works, it works

wanton flame
#

Like for water raids, Doro/Crown/SBS/Alice/Privaty means Volume would probably be knocked out

white rampart
#

I tried and it stuck at 1.5sec

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Kinda make me feel uncomfortable

wanton flame
#

I hated the solo Doro comp

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Stuck Dolla in

daring elk
#

Last raid Dorothy had pierce and could benefit from naga core hit you gotta count that too

light axle
#

I think most of us used Doro and Sakura last SR haha

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So it didn't feel TOO bad

trim gorge
#

so instead of running Doro with Priv

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you run Doro with Sakura

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still 2 CDR

#

slot whore

white rampart
#

At least Rouge wont be a 10/10/10 unit

wanton flame
wanton flame
daring elk
#

But I hope you also understand my logic there

trim gorge
#

No I don't

daring elk
#

TLDR to have a full shotgun crit match a RL/SR crit you need all 10 pellets to crit

trim gorge
#

and I recommend you not going to Online Casino

#

you fuck up the probability so much

daring elk
#

I buy crypto Dw I’m already dug in online casinos

trim gorge
#

nah

daring elk
trim gorge
#

Investing

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and Gambling

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are hella different

daring elk
#

Investing in crypto tho

wanton flame
#

50% chance you'll profit! Either you do or you don't ThinkingBlackGuy

rustic estuary
#

Investing and gambling are different. In investing the house always wins

wanton flame
#

wait, that's the same tho

#

Back on track to Rouge though, I wonder if the order in the skill kit is important

light axle
#

Only if you invest in heavily inflated or fluctuating products KEKL

trim gorge
#

for example, Binance steals 1% of your coin for every transaction you make

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that's very clear

wanton flame
#

e.i. Max HP inceased by 10.15% then second Max HP that heals is based on the already increased Max HP? thonk

trim gorge
#

but for Casino, they too steal 1% but it works in a different way

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that's why I said, investing Crypto is a kind of gambling itself

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but compare to real gambling

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it's not

daring elk
#

This guy knows about binance

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Already feeling the crypto degen blood

#

Anyway this became too much of an off-topic so this time bailing for real

trim gorge
#

shoo shoo

white rampart
#

Just gamba

#

The rate is 50-50

#

Only win or lose

trim gorge
#

in gamba, it's 49 vs 51

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never 50-50

wanton flame
#

Apply credit card for 100% ThinkingBlackGuy

daring elk
#

If anything, rouge might be a support for Cinderella. And Cinderella autos or skills/burst work like kilo based on max hp (a bit different formula from 2b where she converts hp to attack, here’s damage calculation based on max hp)

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Just a speculation

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They usually release the respective supports before the real carries anyway

sharp hearth
wanton flame
#

Although DKW was released far after RH delugiggle

sharp hearth
#

After Rogue, come Missilis Meta, then come Tetra Meta

fickle bobcat
sharp hearth
#

and you get broke

daring elk
wanton flame
#

Naga's good for everyone kek

fickle bobcat
#

Tia naga were solo raid banner

daring elk
#

True shrug

fickle bobcat
#

Then quiry filler

sharp hearth
#

Then the nudist come

fickle bobcat
#

Something weird

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Was tia naga on modernia's solo raid

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Where core is kek

daring elk
#

But you had tove then Leona then maid priv
Then clay to ein
So there’s some pattern for sure

fickle bobcat
#

But imo they cooked tia naga for Rh in ultra solo raid

wanton flame
#

Clay who?

fickle bobcat
#

And yeah P1 was tia naga Rh alice

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So idk, maybe they are cooking something new with this rouge buffing hp

wanton flame
fickle bobcat
#

2b 2,0

wanton flame
#

I think October raid banner rather than Cindy, personally, but either possible

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It's already weird we're getting a meta-level Nikke off-raid deluthonk

fickle bobcat
#

Hyper B1 buffing something new

wanton flame
#

Although I don't like this position-based skill nonsense

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Just going to screw up burst hotkeys

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inb4 Cinderella gives a different buff to each position KEKL

fickle bobcat
#

Kek

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Imagine rouge+cindy new meta for everything

wanton flame
#

Probably

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If she's not RH tier, people will probably rage again ShiftyDerp

#

Personally I hope Rouge isn't foreshadowing any mechanics tho

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The position stuff seems annoying, and I always get nervous with the max hp buffers

trim gorge
#

Cindy will be

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Scarlet's tier

#

deal with it

fickle bobcat
#

Cindy will powercreep Rh but not Alice

wanton flame
#

I honestly want her to be a supporter kek

fickle bobcat
#

Something in the middle xD

light axle
#

Wait... you mean she is not a supporter Aware

wanton flame
#

Considering the firepower she has, I'd be surprised if she's not an Attacker (though S Anis-style Supporter DPS for Biscuit stonks would be appreciated delufire )

fickle bobcat
#

maybe for SU powercreep Alice means auto Alice xD

wanton flame
#

I hope OLs aren't too necessary for Rouge

fickle bobcat
#

X1 ammo

wanton flame
#

Tetra Supporter gear deluded So many others I need to OL still

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x1 ammo's not bad since helmet OL is a decent idea for any Nikke

fickle bobcat
#

I need X4 tetra supporter headgear

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Now 5

wanton flame
#

I have the gear itself, but not the exp kek

fickle bobcat
#

I can barely state 6 ultra

fickle bobcat
#

Oh yeah cope

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Skip guys, next banner will be ultra meta unit hehe

#

2b but good

undone crown
#

I want both

fickle bobcat
#

Then don't skip rouge deadpepe

undone crown
wanton flame
#

At least we'll get a better countermeasure for randoms who auto-pick Blanc all the time kek

light axle
#

FUCK you just made me remember I dont have a spare tetra set for her

light axle
#

Guess I will have to go back to the others AIs to farm them

fickle bobcat
#

The ai hell is real

#

Hard endgame content in idle game

lime reef
autumn hazel
#

Me is here for it

glacial warren
#

so I actually have a ton of time to get Viper built? wahahaha

#

nice, guess I’ll start farming her treasure kits

#

Rouge’s good, she at least replaces Volume no? So that’s settled

#

Save brain cells for another day

fickle bobcat
olive epoch
#

Looks like a skip tbh

#

I'm not falling for this one with 2nd anni so close

daring elk
#

Can Dkw + rouge provide enough Cdr for a single b3 or you’d still need one more Cdr

viral barn
#

Dolla dwife almost make b3 burst consecutively in Elision

daring elk
#

There I found a use case for rouge so people don’t argue kekw

viral barn
#

My god it means

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Crown-Alice-RH-Dwife-Rouge

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Alice solo campaign

autumn hazel
sharp hearth
#

so they did worth to get

little raft
#

Just get her in 10 pulls, ez

final mesa
velvet folio
#

Yep, nior didnt have much going for her. Same deal with crown replacing tia 💀

viral barn
#

Turned out it works, barely

daring elk
#

More like
How you’re using tetra nikke in elysion tower

final mesa
#

let me rephrase that how you using tetra in lysion Susge

viral barn
#

Wait

#

Its something else

#

B2

proud swallow
#

sHelm

viral barn
#

Yes shelm

final mesa
viral barn
little raft
#

man inhaled too much fume from his own cooking

serene shuttle
#

she doesnt heal

jagged wind
echo geyser
viral barn
#

Clipped sg on boss

near glacier
#

i'm honestly amazed how nikke community sometimes overrate some characters and underrate other.
I'm failing to understand in what pink-glassed world Rouge is a must pull when we have literally stronger CDR unit which is Volume (-8.21 cd) and we even have Dorothy for that role. Damage buffs are mid at best and only because damage type is an indirect 2B buff who is mid. All other dmg buffs are shit af - 5%? don't make me laugh. Burst buffs are weird as well because you realistically need only one of them at any given boss and buff triggers on her burst, not full burst which leads to your nikkes accidentally procing wrong buff (if it activated on full burst instead, you could've prevented that with coordinated aiming).
Conclusion: easy skip, only usable for those who don't have any CDR on account or for niche strat to stack buffs on 2B/Kilo, which will crumble the moment your precious single dps character gets a sneeze from high dmg attack. clueless

#

||This copy pasta fit her perfectly wtf||

fickle bobcat
regal light
#

Is max HP buff without healing really that good? You can still get one shot or burst down by the annoying tentacles or skeleton raptures.

echo geyser
#

Except for increasing blanc's heal I guess lol

regal light
#

Blanc always being there fixes it for Rouge, but I've never considered it anywhere close to healing, shield, or cover repair.

#

It directly buffs 2B and Guillotine, and that might be it?

fickle bobcat
#

I love this, I'll pull for rouge but I'm fucked xD

regal light
#

I'm surprised you don't have 2k+ yellows that never do us any good because we're all always out of the three on the right.

fickle bobcat
#

I used yellow recently in tove

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and asuka

regal light
#

Me too, but the huge stockpile I have is just there.

#

All earned from Simulation since launch.

fickle bobcat
#

Me since Dorothy

regal light
#

I have a good amount of Burst 1 manuals, surprisingly.

#

Not anymore, went to Naga since mine is behind where she should be.

fickle bobcat
#

Don't you lvl to 10 strong characters?

regal light
#

I do, but you don't need to do that many.

fickle bobcat
#

Oh

regal light
#

They just really add up over time doing them daily.

viral barn
#

I just read the pin “outlive triple bronchus attack” BlancStare

stray condor
#

I just realized this thread lost an e

marble delta
#

you guys have books?

autumn hazel
#

whats a thread?

#

megathrads are better

stray condor
#

Fr

#

Megatrads maybe better

final mesa
#

what the

#

[Rouge] New Unit Megathread

glacial warren
#

Thread? Skip
Megathread? Must pull

echo geyser
#

My bad

loud meadow
#

Or operate using % max hp

#

But in that case hp potency is better

stray condor
worthy hare
#

Do Max HP buffs increase cover HP?

final mesa
#

no

#

unless it says it outright like tia's

pearl carbon
#

Has someone posted this before? I found this on FB

final mesa
#

not that exact picture but many people have figured it out already

final mesa
#

it's not really that hard if you ever looked at the squad menu or paid attention to the pos of nikkes in battle

pearl carbon
#

ooh

#

Aight

fickle bobcat
#

if for example you'll use the entire Eva team

#

Rei and mod in p2 and p4

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Asuka p3, more atk dmg for her is nothing

jagged wind
#

mirror AI
crown-exia-ein-rogue-anis

true stump
viral barn
fringe arch
#

so sword coin buff is only for people on the backrow?

#

or the buff can only happen if rouge on back row

echo geyser
#

And then she buffs 2 adjacent units

trim gorge
#

and fuck Alice

fringe arch
#

okay so what about the other p4, do they get the sword coin buff?

trim gorge
#

Soline too

#

they don't

trim gorge
#

use 2 DPS

echo geyser
#

If rouge is in P2
Only P1 and p3 are buffed

#

P4 and p5 don't get buff

trim gorge
#

so what if Rouge is in P

sharp wedge
#

So she heals huh

#

But mild heals

#

Lmao

glacial warren
#

Too confusing

#

Were the kit descriptions reconciled yet?

#

If not, wait for ingame testing because remember Helm AoE burst

#

💀

sharp wedge
#

Skill 2 and Burst Skill 2 (Shield Coin).

#

EN does not.

timid shard
timid shard
sharp wedge
rustic estuary
#

Do we know how jiggly her ass is?

timid shard
timid shard
fringe arch
#

rogue

#

rogue

#

rogue

#

rogue

final mesa
#

oi stop purposely spamming

fringe arch
#

hes the one spamming

#

very annoying

#

ill stop

rustic estuary
#

Its rouge as is moulin rogue

spice harness
#

rogue one

sharp hearth
rustic estuary
#

Does she release after end of evangelion

late shore
#

me everytime I read the word rouge

timid shard
timid shard
sharp wedge
#

Justice for rouge

serene shuttle
#

and yeah I did read around your comment

#

its still wrong for the type of max hp the en says

viral barn
#

I run a Rapun test in
Crown-Dps-Rapun-Anis-Centi comp
Rapun burst restart at 44s cdr

Later I replace anis with Dwife, the Rapunze burst resart at 39 immediately drops to 30

So with Rouge
Crown-Dps-RH-Dwife-Rouge combo single RH-DPS continuous bursting could be possible? BlancStare BlancStare BlancStare BlancStare BlancStare BlancStare

#

If its possible, kinda need a good solo dps here,
Alice burst gauge back up too fast (but maybe Rouge-Dwife could handle that)
Modernia too weak when boss appears
Asuka could work but not feeling it
Maybe SU cooking Pilgrim unit that could fill the puzzle here

#

Gauge could be manipulated by RH spam, some adjustments on that if taking out Centi-Anis for Dwife-Rouge

serene shuttle
#

why are you using anis

viral barn
#

To meet the fast gauge limit

serene shuttle
viral barn
#

Basically to solo everything

serene shuttle
#

you literally just said that alice fills it up too fast

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and you dont need that much… just sniper spam for burst